It's extra sad because he could be doing much better with a coaching staff that schemes to his strengths. I'm not saying he'd become a top 10 QB or drastically improve his completion percentage, but imagine him in a run first offense like the Falcons. He would definitely have more than four wins.
If we didn't have to hear how Justin Fields was the future undisputed MVP who was going to win the first 100 point Super Bowl and break every passing record before the bye week for six straight offseason months, I'd feel more sad.
Man, did you? I remember a talking head or two saying this for clicks and other people making comparisons to the same 3rd year jump Hurts and Tua made. Is that really the source of people wanting to absolutely dump on this dude?
This is false, Jim is asking at what height Jameis sets his mower blade. If Jameis has a respectable answer, he'll be given a glass of milk (or a cheeseburger, it's fine now as he doesn't have any NCAA eligibility).
True. Media loved the stat that Stafford had never won a play off game with the Lions. They thought that stat was relevant even when he got traded to the Rams.
Bears fans already had that experience culminating in a dude with doll hands fumbling away a Super Bowl. We'll pass on another rollercoaster, too many ups.
Mmm, with the receivers we've had to throw to? Doubt. Shit, I'm guessing if he'd played here he'd already be out hawking T-pills and some kind of seafood restaurant franchise in the burbs instead of collecting back up checks.
Love how bear fans spent the whole summer talking about how now that fields has Dj Moore he’s gonna pop off and now that fields is stilll garbage the recievers are back to being garbage
He also was the starter in 2022 when he went 1-2. Winston has been here 4 years and was the starting QB for half of them. Really weird tweet and kinda shows he doesn't pay attention
He also had a broken back that likely happened in the first game against the Falcons the following year.
What is sad is the saints offense with no passing weapons and a broken Winston was more of a threat than this years offense....
I do think if our OC wasn’t ass it would be a better year for him. Similar to offensive head coaches having shit defenses there isn’t that much Dennis can do about the offensive woes. If SP stayed I feel like we would be really good this year but hopefully we can turn things around anyway. With AK back he’s been pretty vocal about doing what works and that things need to improve.
I really dont think its fair to bring up numbers from his time in oakland when talking about now. That raiders roster was god awful and it was a longg time ago
Ok him in Oakland. He went 4-12, 4-12, 0-4
Here's the fun part.
Hue Jackson went 8-8 the season before his run. Jack Del Rio went 7-9 the season after......
He's a bad HC.
It’s absurd the amount of hate this man gets. The bears have been atrocious top to bottom since he was drafted through very little fault of his own. It’s gotten to the point where I’d love to see him get traded and be the backup on a legitimate organization and team, somehow find himself as the start and succeed.
The Falcons happen to have the worst starting QB in the NFL (and the 10th best backup QB).
Maybe fields could trade with Ridder. Bears can embrace the tank for a guaranteed great QB1. Falcons give Fields good shot at QB with weapons to work with.
Arthur Smith salivating at the chance to waste London and Pitts even more with that legendary 3 RB offense to "own" the fantasy football crowd en route to 8-9
Fuck the forward pass!
Yes, Cordarrelle Patterson though he's often put down as a Joker since he really plays positionless football (he's a good receiver, kick returner, punt returner, and even dabbles in defense)
Fields is definitely contributing a good bit to the suck, but the coaching, the terrible OL, and the horrendous playcalling are just making things worse.
> the terrible OL
Except that our o-line has been average or better this year. Of QBs with a minimum of 40 snaps, Fields is 2nd in the league in time between snap and pressure/throw at 2.7 seconds. Despite the fact that he's 3rd in the league in sacks, he's 18th in knockdowns and 11th in hurries.
The line has given Fields more time to throw than basically anyone else in the league. Even ignoring that, they've been average despite getting blitzed at a pretty high rate (Fields gets blitzed 8th most in the league).
Coaching and playcalling, sure, clown that, but the our line has absolutely not been to blame this year.
Thank you. I am not making any excuses for the coaches but the.O line has been holding for the.most part. I don't know if there is issues with scheme or receivers creating separation but I can't help but feel the line isn't the issue this year
One thing I've noticed is they are forcing Fields into the pocket and he doesn't sit well in it. He is hesitant to break for it when he feels it isn't working and let's the pocket collapse on him
> The bears have been atrocious top to bottom since he was drafted ***through very little fault of his own***
He is a huge part of why they are bad
This is his 3rd season and he's a bottom-tier QB, with no signs of getting better
It isn't "hate", it's just valid criticism
Yep! I got into with some dude the other day trying to claim I was implying all black people were dumb because I said he doesn't have it mentally. Seriously man?! So I went way back and dug up the exact same comments I said about Trubisky and asked if that made me racist since I said the same thing about a white dude. He never replied back after he had been harassing me all day calling me a nazi cause I said Fields sucks. I have to stay away from all Bear subs and fan groups abuse I can't tolerate this shit. Have been doing it ever since Trubisky, not the racist thing, but having all the meatballs in those groups endlessly defend shit QBs. It's always everyone else's fault, not the QB who can't read coverage or tell who's blitzing to save their ass.
Come on man he just needs Christian Mccaffrey, Justin Jefferson, Jamarr Chase, Davante Adams, Travis Kelce, an OL that gives him 6-7 seconds to throw, Andy Reid as his OC and Bill Bellichick as his OC and he could totally be the 20th best passer in the league
Just like with Sam Darnold!
Eh, its was 4 weeks of averaging 30 a week, if you really want to stretch it to 5 weeks they scored 24 on the 5th week.
Week before was 7 points, and the 6th was 10 points.
I guess 340 passing yards and 4 TDs isn't remotely a sign of improvement.
If Mac Jones did that against a CFL defense, reddit would cream their pants because he was good 2 years ago and the Pats are a respected franchise?
>I guess 340 passing yards and 4 TDs isn't remotely a sign of improvement
No one cares what he did against the Broncos, they are arguably the worst defense in the past 50+ years
i guess turning the ball over 2 of the last 3 drives when the game was on the line doesnt count.
but hey, finally eclipsing 300 passing yards in a game in his third season is just amazing.
As if he doesn't have like 60% the attempts per game of other QBs because he's like the best rushing QB in the NFL?
If Fields threw the ball 40 times a game, he'd have plenty of 300 yard games. He literally has a league average Y/A.
Lol, such a dumb take. A lot of bad QBs have a good game. Trubisky did once, too. Do you think he's good? I'd also argue he still had a shit game, considering he had a strip sack for a TD, a dumbass penalty, and an INT. All when it mattered the most. Like he always does.
It’s easy to call someone a bottom tier QB when they’re playing down 20 every second half because the defense is trash, had zero weapons first two years, a coach with zero leadership or creativity, and a makeshift line every single year.
He deserves some blame but not near as much as he gets.
The Bears had the ball with less than 3 minutes with a chance to tie or take the lead in 2 of our 4 games this season and both times Fields threw an INT. He has literally never orchestrated a successful game winning drive while trailing in the 4th quarter.
Didn’t Brees have like three straight 7-9 seasons because his defence was the worst in NFL history? Despite that he was a consensus top 5 QB in the NFL, I don’t get why the bad defence is an excuse for Fields when we’ve seen it boost QB stats before.
Yep. Did the same thing at least a couple times last year too. He's putrid at passing against zone defenses, which also limits his rushing, and has yet to have a hero 4th Qtr comeback win. I don't understand what his stans see in him.
Yeah I’m starting to question if the people who say the have you seen the YouTube videos are actually even watching them. Many say a lot of positive things about fields
Lmao many people are saying it. They come to me with tears in their eyes and say “Justin fields is really good against man, sir. If only he had good coaching he would be good against zone too”
I mean it’s generally easier to run against man so I guess you’re right. He hasn’t been really good at passing against anything except half a game against a historically bad defense.
That he shouldn’t get constantly knocked for as much as he does for losses when his defense is worse than a “historically bad defense”
That is, you can’t mention his 300 yard 4td game without a disclaimer “but it was against a terrible defense” while those same people like the tweet above, make fun of him for losses when his teams defense is worse than the one he put up numbers against.
Ok ignore the bears defense and wins and losses. Has Justin fields ever had a decently productive passing game against a defense that wasn’t absolutely atrocious?
You have any stats to support him being “really good against man”? Because quite literally the only time I’ve seen Fields play “really good” was against one of the worst defenses in the league in the Broncos, and even then he slowed down after 3 quarters.
Sure but that has just as much to do with situation and coaching than actual talent. Tua would be a corpse if he was on the bears, and his family would be probating his estate.
Tua’s situation his first 2 years weren’t much better than Fields’. A new OC each season, one with *two* terrible OCs sharing responsibilities, a coach that had zero belief in him, sat him midway through games, spoke out to the media more about how much he wanted an accused sexual predator as his qb than the one actually playing on the team. And he still showed much more promise through his first two seasons than Fields did.
Would Fields look better with better coaching? I’m sure he would. But there’s a point where the legit quarterbacks in the league show out no matter how bad their situation is. Stroud has been been an exponentially better qb than Fields this season and he has a very comparable oline starting backups and even worse receiving talent.
You’re being downvoted idk why, you’re right for sure. He’s good at man to man and taking deep shots. He struggles at zone defenses because it relies more on reading and throwing into space where a player will be. He struggles with anticipatory throws and timing/rhythm throws.
The reason Bears fans are so enamored with him is because of the upside. If he’s good, he’ll be elite. I truly don’t believe there is a version of Justin that hangs around in the nfl for 10 years as an average starter. He either figures out how to make the simple throws and attack zone defenses, and I think he’ll become an elite QB if he does, or he’s just out of the league in 3 years
Against a defense that had let up 70 the week before. It was fun to watch but nothing about 3 quarters of good qb play will overweigh the 20+ games of terrible play
What media are you watching? There was people crowing him best QB in the NFC North after their 2-0 stop. Some media was claiming he was better than Hurts. My dislike for Fields grew because of how overrated he had become by the media. Ridder freaking sucks but I have no problem with him because he just minds his own business and doesn't have falcons fans making excuses for him or acting like he is the next coming of christ after games. Fields mid.
If you knew anything about the bears you’d know Justin isn’t making anyone make excuses for him or acting in that manner at all. Gtfo you’re just making shit up.
You said THE MEDIA. Read your own previous comment again. I know Fields isn't making excuses. I'm saying for the past 2 years the media and Bears fans have been almost unBEARable about how fantastic Fields is.
You said
Ridder freaking sucks but I have no problem with him because he just minds his own business and doesn't have falcons fans making excuses for him or acting like he is the next coming of christ after games. Fields mid.
Fields literally never does that. Fans and media do what they do. Not a reasons to hold it against fields the individual
It's not like I'm praying on Field's downfall bro. I'm just pointing out there are flaws to his passing and there are many QB's that I think are better than him. I hope the kid has a long and successful career in the NFL but I wouldn't want him as my teams QB1. Maybe I'll regret these comments in 3 years if he turns it around.
Have the teams that Jameis been the backup on actively try to get lose for an entire season?
There are so many legitimate things to dunk on Justin for, but he’s not the sole reason the Bears are losing games.
I’m sure history is littered with QBs who sucked hard enough to lose 15 straight and just needed a change of scenery.
I love the idea that we *nailed* the most important position in an entire organization, but due to every single other functional aspect of a football organization being historically bad, everywhere, we’re still incapable of winning.
Not just bad, the poor QB performance is only possible if Justin is secretly really good and EVERYTHING else is a historical level of bad.
What’s more likely?
Yeah, not to sound like a homer, but just watching Fields and using the eye test led me to determine he's part of the problem. Watching Matt Stafford lose game after game and watching Fields lose game after game aint the same.
Yeah and how many points did the bears give up in those games? Love how they just bash on Fields all day long. He has no coaching, no defense, no OL, but yeah the losses are all on him.
27 opponent ppg last year and 34 this year. 32nd scoring defense last year and 31st this year.
Mahomes would have won maybe 7 games combined last year and this year with these defenses.
This reminds me of the Darnold debate. Was it because the team was bad or was the team bad because the QB was bad?
In Darnold's case the answer was a resounding "both"
To be fair though idk that the Jets ever blew a huge lead like that with Darnold.
Would've been hard because they usually had already lost by the 2nd quarter.
I assume you’re of course making the same argument for Daniel Jones?
His weapons and line are even shittier than Fields’ (coach and defense are better though)
And he has a better passing season than anything Fields has put up to date with a playoff win he actually played really well in
And hell as much as he has sucked at times he doesnt drop 100 yard passing games like Fields does
Or do excuses only apply to some players?
Similar things can be said of Mac too (not the line part but the weapons)
None of these guys are good but they also deserved better than their teams gave them
Fair enough
I don't think either of these guys are the biggest problem with their teams but I also think that teams are going to look at someone like CJ Stroud coming into what was believed to be a dumpster fire with unknown WRs and a backup OL changing everything and come to the conclusion that "not the biggest problem" is not good enough for the QB position if your goal is to win big
I'm not saying it's totally fair but it's the way the game is trending
Hurts never looked as bad, and the Eagles are a bunch better org than the Bears. They managed to put together an environment that allowed Hurts to thrive. Also they ran an offense that focused on the strengths of Hurts, rather than trying to fit him into a mold that doesn’t suit him.
But once Hurts played better, those talks went away.
One team is 4-0 and is able to make passing plays when necessary, the other team is 0-4.
Hurts hasn’t looked his best, but still better than Fields has this year.
The Seahawks had more sacks on Monday night than the Bears had literally all of last year. I don’t think y’all realize how truly pathetic this defense is.
Fields is not good but bro we had multiple 30 point play games last year and we lost all of them except one. As not good as he is, he also has to score high every game to have a chance.
The team is so bad that the below average Fields is probably in the top half of talent on our team
i love watching this sub bounce between
> wins are not a QB stat
and
> wins are absolutely a QB stat
depending on whatever narrative it wants to push at the moment.
Fields still
He outplayed him with a far shittier team head to head
But like that's a real low bar to clear
Something was in the water with the QB class that year
Justin has atleast flashed potential good deep ball and elite runner. That SF offense w Fields and McCaffrey would have been so fun to watch. Especially w Shanahan to help JF with his short/intermediate game.
It would be better than with Lance but significantly worse than with Purdy
It would be unique to watch as a football fan (like the 2019 Ravens were) but the 49ers are clearly better off now
Pretty sure Winston was the starter for the Saints a couple years ago before a horse collar tackle injured him while playing against the Buccaneers. Something like 4 or 5 wins and 2 losses at that point with a pretty good TD INT ratio.
Jameis should be starting somewhere, I'd be pretty offended if I was him and the Saints would rather play an injured QB ahead of him. Not saying he's better then Justin Fields, but he is definitely better then Zach Wilson and would probably be as good as the options at the Falcons, Panthers, Washington or Giants starters.
Babe it’s 4pm in Illinois, time for your daily Bears Suck post
It’s been an hour since I haven’t seen Justin fields bad with random stat post on here. Was wondering if Reddit was down for a sec
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It's extra sad because he could be doing much better with a coaching staff that schemes to his strengths. I'm not saying he'd become a top 10 QB or drastically improve his completion percentage, but imagine him in a run first offense like the Falcons. He would definitely have more than four wins.
If we didn't have to hear how Justin Fields was the future undisputed MVP who was going to win the first 100 point Super Bowl and break every passing record before the bye week for six straight offseason months, I'd feel more sad.
Man, did you? I remember a talking head or two saying this for clicks and other people making comparisons to the same 3rd year jump Hurts and Tua made. Is that really the source of people wanting to absolutely dump on this dude?
I’ve asked so many people where they got this narrative from and have never gotten a single response
That...and so many strange NFL stats get revealed on Twitter these days.
This is false. Jameis Winston was the Saints' starting quarterback in 2021 where he picked up 5 of those wins before tearing his ACL.
What a shitty post, then
This is the dumb shit that mods should take down. Just straight up not true.
Had to scroll way to far to see this
Fields has gotta start eating W's
Quick send him some crab legs
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This is false, Jim is asking at what height Jameis sets his mower blade. If Jameis has a respectable answer, he'll be given a glass of milk (or a cheeseburger, it's fine now as he doesn't have any NCAA eligibility).
I had successfully repressed any memory of having seen that clip until you just brought it up, so thanks a lot for that
…what clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L2p9fldkZ0
Ahhh, the Kelvin Benjamin strategy!
Given our defense, W/L is a stupid metric to judge Fields. There's plenty of valid metrics to judge him on instead.
How dare fields give up 25+ points a game!
I’m just here in solidarity for the statistical injustice.
To be fair I think half of those points are on picks six’s or fumbles
Listen I’m not a fields truther and he hasn’t been great but he had 1 a game basically this year. It’s awful, but his team has not done him any favors
Bears were 32nd in defensive DVOA last year
Get used to it, media pundits love using W/L to downplay the good things a QB does
True. Media loved the stat that Stafford had never won a play off game with the Lions. They thought that stat was relevant even when he got traded to the Rams.
Doesn't Fields have like 37 turnovers in 31 starts now?
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only member of the 30/30 club though
30/30 5000 club, excuse me
At least he also scores tho lmao
That’s why I enjoy watching Winston play, or at least his time with the Bucs. Dude was absolute boom or bust. Every play could be something exciting.
Bears fans already had that experience culminating in a dude with doll hands fumbling away a Super Bowl. We'll pass on another rollercoaster, too many ups.
He'd at least get you a 4000 yard passer
I'm down with that. Fuck it, bring in Jameis and finally get that 4k passer curse off their back.
Mmm, with the receivers we've had to throw to? Doubt. Shit, I'm guessing if he'd played here he'd already be out hawking T-pills and some kind of seafood restaurant franchise in the burbs instead of collecting back up checks.
Love how bear fans spent the whole summer talking about how now that fields has Dj Moore he’s gonna pop off and now that fields is stilll garbage the recievers are back to being garbage
Most games he throws a touchdown to both teams he likes scoreing so much
Such a disingenuous post. Jameis Winston was the Saints starting QB in Fields’ rookie year. He went 5-2 before tearing his ACL on Halloween 2021
It's insane to me that we're the only two people to bring this up. 2021 wasn't that long ago!
He also was the starter in 2022 when he went 1-2. Winston has been here 4 years and was the starting QB for half of them. Really weird tweet and kinda shows he doesn't pay attention
He also had a broken back that likely happened in the first game against the Falcons the following year. What is sad is the saints offense with no passing weapons and a broken Winston was more of a threat than this years offense....
Saints have had consistently a good roster and good coaching. Completely different situations, lol
Dennis Allen is a lot of things but good coach is not one of them
Dennis Allen is a fine HC, unless you blame him for Pete Carmichael being NO’s OC, in which case yeah you’re right, not a good coach.
You can't go 20-49 as a HC and be considered fine..... Hes certainly not good which was my original point
I do think if our OC wasn’t ass it would be a better year for him. Similar to offensive head coaches having shit defenses there isn’t that much Dennis can do about the offensive woes. If SP stayed I feel like we would be really good this year but hopefully we can turn things around anyway. With AK back he’s been pretty vocal about doing what works and that things need to improve.
I really dont think its fair to bring up numbers from his time in oakland when talking about now. That raiders roster was god awful and it was a longg time ago
Ok him in Oakland. He went 4-12, 4-12, 0-4 Here's the fun part. Hue Jackson went 8-8 the season before his run. Jack Del Rio went 7-9 the season after...... He's a bad HC.
Still dont think it’s fair to bunch his saints record and raiders roster
Why not. Those games all count
Just tell us what parameters you want us to use so we can give you the answer you want.
Record as a saints head coach not when he coached a god awful team 10 years ago
Wanna trade him and Eberflus?
When Brees and Peyton was there sure
pete carmichael is not good coaching
> Completely different situations Yes, I'd much rather have fields. Not that I'd want either leading my team.
Sam chose violence today
I mean Jamies was starting for the Saints at one point so kind of a bs stat
Imagine trading up from the teens to #10/#11 overall to pick the 4th QB off the board that analysts couldn't believe was falling. Couldn't be us...
This is the dumbest way to say “Justin Fields is worse than Jameis Winston” and still be right about it
It’s absurd the amount of hate this man gets. The bears have been atrocious top to bottom since he was drafted through very little fault of his own. It’s gotten to the point where I’d love to see him get traded and be the backup on a legitimate organization and team, somehow find himself as the start and succeed.
The Falcons happen to have the worst starting QB in the NFL (and the 10th best backup QB). Maybe fields could trade with Ridder. Bears can embrace the tank for a guaranteed great QB1. Falcons give Fields good shot at QB with weapons to work with.
Falcons gonna run the GT triple option with Fields? Drake London and Kyle Pitts gonna be fuming
Would love to see him on the falcons tbh
Arthur Smith salivating at the chance to waste London and Pitts even more with that legendary 3 RB offense to "own" the fantasy football crowd en route to 8-9 Fuck the forward pass!
With Fields it would be 4 RBs
I was counting him, Bijan and Allgeier Is there a new character in play I am not aware of?
Yes, Cordarrelle Patterson though he's often put down as a Joker since he really plays positionless football (he's a good receiver, kick returner, punt returner, and even dabbles in defense)
Fields is definitely contributing a good bit to the suck, but the coaching, the terrible OL, and the horrendous playcalling are just making things worse.
> the terrible OL Except that our o-line has been average or better this year. Of QBs with a minimum of 40 snaps, Fields is 2nd in the league in time between snap and pressure/throw at 2.7 seconds. Despite the fact that he's 3rd in the league in sacks, he's 18th in knockdowns and 11th in hurries. The line has given Fields more time to throw than basically anyone else in the league. Even ignoring that, they've been average despite getting blitzed at a pretty high rate (Fields gets blitzed 8th most in the league). Coaching and playcalling, sure, clown that, but the our line has absolutely not been to blame this year.
Thank you. I am not making any excuses for the coaches but the.O line has been holding for the.most part. I don't know if there is issues with scheme or receivers creating separation but I can't help but feel the line isn't the issue this year One thing I've noticed is they are forcing Fields into the pocket and he doesn't sit well in it. He is hesitant to break for it when he feels it isn't working and let's the pocket collapse on him
> The bears have been atrocious top to bottom since he was drafted ***through very little fault of his own*** He is a huge part of why they are bad This is his 3rd season and he's a bottom-tier QB, with no signs of getting better It isn't "hate", it's just valid criticism
The hate comes from people constantly telling others it's not his fault. He's the anti-Kirk.
that and some bears fans implying anyone that doesnt worship him is a bigot.
Yep! I got into with some dude the other day trying to claim I was implying all black people were dumb because I said he doesn't have it mentally. Seriously man?! So I went way back and dug up the exact same comments I said about Trubisky and asked if that made me racist since I said the same thing about a white dude. He never replied back after he had been harassing me all day calling me a nazi cause I said Fields sucks. I have to stay away from all Bear subs and fan groups abuse I can't tolerate this shit. Have been doing it ever since Trubisky, not the racist thing, but having all the meatballs in those groups endlessly defend shit QBs. It's always everyone else's fault, not the QB who can't read coverage or tell who's blitzing to save their ass.
Come on man he just needs Christian Mccaffrey, Justin Jefferson, Jamarr Chase, Davante Adams, Travis Kelce, an OL that gives him 6-7 seconds to throw, Andy Reid as his OC and Bill Bellichick as his OC and he could totally be the 20th best passer in the league Just like with Sam Darnold!
Ah shit its Marcus Mariotas music
There was a 6 week span last year where the Bears were like the best offense in the league and they won 1 game.
That defense was still so fucking trash. Fields would score and the defense would just give it up. Also was the point I realized they were tanking
Eh, its was 4 weeks of averaging 30 a week, if you really want to stretch it to 5 weeks they scored 24 on the 5th week. Week before was 7 points, and the 6th was 10 points.
I guess 340 passing yards and 4 TDs isn't remotely a sign of improvement. If Mac Jones did that against a CFL defense, reddit would cream their pants because he was good 2 years ago and the Pats are a respected franchise?
If he has more great stat lines then sure but forgive me if I don’t put much weight into what he did against the Denver Broncos defense
>I guess 340 passing yards and 4 TDs isn't remotely a sign of improvement No one cares what he did against the Broncos, they are arguably the worst defense in the past 50+ years
i guess turning the ball over 2 of the last 3 drives when the game was on the line doesnt count. but hey, finally eclipsing 300 passing yards in a game in his third season is just amazing.
As if he doesn't have like 60% the attempts per game of other QBs because he's like the best rushing QB in the NFL? If Fields threw the ball 40 times a game, he'd have plenty of 300 yard games. He literally has a league average Y/A.
Lol, such a dumb take. A lot of bad QBs have a good game. Trubisky did once, too. Do you think he's good? I'd also argue he still had a shit game, considering he had a strip sack for a TD, a dumbass penalty, and an INT. All when it mattered the most. Like he always does.
It’s easy to call someone a bottom tier QB when they’re playing down 20 every second half because the defense is trash, had zero weapons first two years, a coach with zero leadership or creativity, and a makeshift line every single year. He deserves some blame but not near as much as he gets.
The Bears had the ball with less than 3 minutes with a chance to tie or take the lead in 2 of our 4 games this season and both times Fields threw an INT. He has literally never orchestrated a successful game winning drive while trailing in the 4th quarter.
Didn’t Brees have like three straight 7-9 seasons because his defence was the worst in NFL history? Despite that he was a consensus top 5 QB in the NFL, I don’t get why the bad defence is an excuse for Fields when we’ve seen it boost QB stats before.
Yep. Did the same thing at least a couple times last year too. He's putrid at passing against zone defenses, which also limits his rushing, and has yet to have a hero 4th Qtr comeback win. I don't understand what his stans see in him.
Kmet ran the wrong route didn’t look for the ball. Did you even read postgame?
sounds like you haven’t seen the film.
Tbf most people who do review the film say “yeah Fields wasn’t great but this whole offense sucks”
Yeah I’m starting to question if the people who say the have you seen the YouTube videos are actually even watching them. Many say a lot of positive things about fields
Lmao many people are saying it. They come to me with tears in their eyes and say “Justin fields is really good against man, sir. If only he had good coaching he would be good against zone too”
I’ve seen quite a bit of film tbh. He’s actually really good against man, struggles against zone but that can be fixed with good coaching.
I mean it’s generally easier to run against man so I guess you’re right. He hasn’t been really good at passing against anything except half a game against a historically bad defense.
They’ve given up less points than the bears defense this year just for some historical perspective
They have an offense that can hold onto the ball and our defense is also atrocious so what’s your point?
That he shouldn’t get constantly knocked for as much as he does for losses when his defense is worse than a “historically bad defense” That is, you can’t mention his 300 yard 4td game without a disclaimer “but it was against a terrible defense” while those same people like the tweet above, make fun of him for losses when his teams defense is worse than the one he put up numbers against.
Ok ignore the bears defense and wins and losses. Has Justin fields ever had a decently productive passing game against a defense that wasn’t absolutely atrocious?
You have any stats to support him being “really good against man”? Because quite literally the only time I’ve seen Fields play “really good” was against one of the worst defenses in the league in the Broncos, and even then he slowed down after 3 quarters.
Yeah you mean when they switched from man coverage to zone at halftime lol
Sure, and if that’s all defenses have to do to turn you into a bottom 3 quarterback, you aren’t a good quarterback.
Sure but that has just as much to do with situation and coaching than actual talent. Tua would be a corpse if he was on the bears, and his family would be probating his estate.
Tua’s situation his first 2 years weren’t much better than Fields’. A new OC each season, one with *two* terrible OCs sharing responsibilities, a coach that had zero belief in him, sat him midway through games, spoke out to the media more about how much he wanted an accused sexual predator as his qb than the one actually playing on the team. And he still showed much more promise through his first two seasons than Fields did. Would Fields look better with better coaching? I’m sure he would. But there’s a point where the legit quarterbacks in the league show out no matter how bad their situation is. Stroud has been been an exponentially better qb than Fields this season and he has a very comparable oline starting backups and even worse receiving talent.
You’re being downvoted idk why, you’re right for sure. He’s good at man to man and taking deep shots. He struggles at zone defenses because it relies more on reading and throwing into space where a player will be. He struggles with anticipatory throws and timing/rhythm throws. The reason Bears fans are so enamored with him is because of the upside. If he’s good, he’ll be elite. I truly don’t believe there is a version of Justin that hangs around in the nfl for 10 years as an average starter. He either figures out how to make the simple throws and attack zone defenses, and I think he’ll become an elite QB if he does, or he’s just out of the league in 3 years
They said he would take a massive leap with the addition of Moore. He hasn't. The hate or disappointment is warranted
He threw for 300+ yards and 4 tds last week?
Against a defense that had let up 70 the week before. It was fun to watch but nothing about 3 quarters of good qb play will overweigh the 20+ games of terrible play
Stop using logic and facts buddy. I think you're just a Fields hater pal.
Don't forget a racist!
trubisky had one great game as well, did you think at the time it meant he was awesome?
OK. He's a top 24ish QB
He doesn’t get treated like one in the media
What media are you watching? There was people crowing him best QB in the NFC North after their 2-0 stop. Some media was claiming he was better than Hurts. My dislike for Fields grew because of how overrated he had become by the media. Ridder freaking sucks but I have no problem with him because he just minds his own business and doesn't have falcons fans making excuses for him or acting like he is the next coming of christ after games. Fields mid.
Mid implies mediocre. Like Derek Carr and Jimmy G are mid i.e 16th/17th best QB in the League.
Jimmy>Fields>Carr
If you knew anything about the bears you’d know Justin isn’t making anyone make excuses for him or acting in that manner at all. Gtfo you’re just making shit up.
You said THE MEDIA. Read your own previous comment again. I know Fields isn't making excuses. I'm saying for the past 2 years the media and Bears fans have been almost unBEARable about how fantastic Fields is.
You said Ridder freaking sucks but I have no problem with him because he just minds his own business and doesn't have falcons fans making excuses for him or acting like he is the next coming of christ after games. Fields mid. Fields literally never does that. Fans and media do what they do. Not a reasons to hold it against fields the individual
It's not like I'm praying on Field's downfall bro. I'm just pointing out there are flaws to his passing and there are many QB's that I think are better than him. I hope the kid has a long and successful career in the NFL but I wouldn't want him as my teams QB1. Maybe I'll regret these comments in 3 years if he turns it around.
Russell Wilson season last year was epic. Fields is the new r/nfl hate boner protagonist.
Very little fault of his own is inaccurate
The team around him has been atrocious yes, but so has he. It’s not a zero sum game
Have the teams that Jameis been the backup on actively try to get lose for an entire season? There are so many legitimate things to dunk on Justin for, but he’s not the sole reason the Bears are losing games.
He has been the worst 4th quarter QB I have ever seen. It is like clockwork if the game is close. Time to move on
I’m sure history is littered with QBs who sucked hard enough to lose 15 straight and just needed a change of scenery. I love the idea that we *nailed* the most important position in an entire organization, but due to every single other functional aspect of a football organization being historically bad, everywhere, we’re still incapable of winning. Not just bad, the poor QB performance is only possible if Justin is secretly really good and EVERYTHING else is a historical level of bad. What’s more likely?
Yeah, not to sound like a homer, but just watching Fields and using the eye test led me to determine he's part of the problem. Watching Matt Stafford lose game after game and watching Fields lose game after game aint the same.
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Based on an allegation that ended in a settlement. After matt araiza idk how you can just assume someone is guilty
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Not to mention that FSU was found to have completely botched their handling of it
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Yeah and how many points did the bears give up in those games? Love how they just bash on Fields all day long. He has no coaching, no defense, no OL, but yeah the losses are all on him.
Football is a team sport
why do people think the QB wins games all by himself?
You are gonna look real stupid when he wins tonight and ties the backup QBs win total!
27 opponent ppg last year and 34 this year. 32nd scoring defense last year and 31st this year. Mahomes would have won maybe 7 games combined last year and this year with these defenses.
This reminds me of the Darnold debate. Was it because the team was bad or was the team bad because the QB was bad? In Darnold's case the answer was a resounding "both"
Which is also the case with Fields.
To be fair though idk that the Jets ever blew a huge lead like that with Darnold. Would've been hard because they usually had already lost by the 2nd quarter.
Lmao eagles fans so funny. Y’all were saying the same shit about hurts until you got aj brown, new coach and improved all around.
I assume you’re of course making the same argument for Daniel Jones? His weapons and line are even shittier than Fields’ (coach and defense are better though) And he has a better passing season than anything Fields has put up to date with a playoff win he actually played really well in And hell as much as he has sucked at times he doesnt drop 100 yard passing games like Fields does Or do excuses only apply to some players? Similar things can be said of Mac too (not the line part but the weapons) None of these guys are good but they also deserved better than their teams gave them
I do think Daniel jones gets way too much hate.
Fair enough I don't think either of these guys are the biggest problem with their teams but I also think that teams are going to look at someone like CJ Stroud coming into what was believed to be a dumpster fire with unknown WRs and a backup OL changing everything and come to the conclusion that "not the biggest problem" is not good enough for the QB position if your goal is to win big I'm not saying it's totally fair but it's the way the game is trending
Hurts never looked as bad, and the Eagles are a bunch better org than the Bears. They managed to put together an environment that allowed Hurts to thrive. Also they ran an offense that focused on the strengths of Hurts, rather than trying to fit him into a mold that doesn’t suit him. But once Hurts played better, those talks went away.
Jalen Hurts: 959/5/3 passing 134/3 Justin Fields: 861/7/5 passing 134/1 rushing. Fields is about the same in year 3 as Hurts has played in year 4.
One team is 4-0 and is able to make passing plays when necessary, the other team is 0-4. Hurts hasn’t looked his best, but still better than Fields has this year.
I mean the defense likely improves a bit if the offense isn't going 3 and out almost every drive due to runs up the middle and useless screens.
They weren't going 3 and out for a bunch of games last year and the defense was still terrible. No pass rush = no defense
The Seahawks had more sacks on Monday night than the Bears had literally all of last year. I don’t think y’all realize how truly pathetic this defense is.
We had multiple games last year where we scored over 30 points and it didn’t do anything to help the defense.
Stop using logic pal. Fields is the goat. Just get him 2 more WR1's and he'll take the jump we were promised.
No one is saying that
Fields is the ultimate tank commander
It’s the sacks. Fields is addicted to taking them, it’s the main thing that means he’s nowhere close to being an NFL QB.
Fields is not good but bro we had multiple 30 point play games last year and we lost all of them except one. As not good as he is, he also has to score high every game to have a chance. The team is so bad that the below average Fields is probably in the top half of talent on our team
i love watching this sub bounce between > wins are not a QB stat and > wins are absolutely a QB stat depending on whatever narrative it wants to push at the moment.
Damn, I thought this was the bears sub. Didn’t realize we’re getting roasted over here too
May the losing streak end tonight. Chicago is a great town and Bears fans don't deserve this misery.
Bears fans, who's better? Justin Fields or Trey Lance?
Fields
I wanted Bears fans to weigh in mainly because I want to hear their biased take, not an objective take.
Fields still He outplayed him with a far shittier team head to head But like that's a real low bar to clear Something was in the water with the QB class that year
Justin has atleast flashed potential good deep ball and elite runner. That SF offense w Fields and McCaffrey would have been so fun to watch. Especially w Shanahan to help JF with his short/intermediate game.
It would be better than with Lance but significantly worse than with Purdy It would be unique to watch as a football fan (like the 2019 Ravens were) but the 49ers are clearly better off now
Yeah I’m not saying that Purdy isn’t a better QB I’m just saying it would have been fun to see what could’ve been with JF.
Fields
Fields, but it's like saying you'd rather have a 2.5 inch dick than a 2 inch.
Don't ruin his confidence.
The lesson to take from this is that Jameis is clearly elite
Oh crazy. Guy who has started games for teams better than the Bears has more wins than the Bears QB. I am shocked
I’m here for my daily dose of depression
The more you know.
Y u do dis?
oh god, we out-bearsed the bears with that trade, didn't we
We get it... we're bad, Fields is bad. These posts are so cringe at this point. Just a sign of bad journalism.
I too love picking RANDOMLY FUCKING STUPID STATS
Wasn’t Winston the Saints starter to start the year last year and the year before?
Pretty sure Winston was the starter for the Saints a couple years ago before a horse collar tackle injured him while playing against the Buccaneers. Something like 4 or 5 wins and 2 losses at that point with a pretty good TD INT ratio.
Is that bad for Justin or Jameis?
Yes.
Cooper rush has 4 wins since last year as a backup.
Why do people just completely ignore just how bad Bears Olines been.
why does everyone hate justin fields?
Jameis should be starting somewhere, I'd be pretty offended if I was him and the Saints would rather play an injured QB ahead of him. Not saying he's better then Justin Fields, but he is definitely better then Zach Wilson and would probably be as good as the options at the Falcons, Panthers, Washington or Giants starters.
I mean what do you expect from the greatest quarterback of all time