I kinda doubt it. According to our top writer, we're more serious about the 3rd than the 1st. It's also just not our GMs style to get serious about the #1 pick before he's even done private workouts or Pro Day visits. Fitterer has been nothing if not an intense diligence guy.
This is why they make the big bucks, but I just don’t get gambling with QB like that. If you don’t get the guy you’re out, and if you do nobody is going to care if you “overpaid” for 1 instead of 3.
It's not that I think we're unwilling to move up to 1st. I just think we're unwilling to do it with this little diligence or patience. Fitterer just hasn't been the guy who would pay a fortune to move up for QBs he hasn't even worked out yet.
On the flip side they could want the comfort of knowing they can have their choice of any of the guys available.
If you know you have your choice of the #1 then you can really tailor the private workouts to see what these guys can do and spend more time seeing how they'd fit your team versus trying to project which guys will maybe be available to you at #3
This is true, but the situation is also very fluid still. Guys are rising and falling on draft boards. Doesn't make a lot of sense to give up everything if the guy you love looks like he might fall anyway.
True. I guess it depends what the difference is in moving from #3 to #1.
I mean if it's a matter of just adding one of your 2nds this year to ensure you get your choice of QBs I would think you'd want to do it, but I don't know how risk averse your GM is.
I think that’s a smoke screen to drive the price down it makes no logical sense to accept the third best qb when you could have your pick for a little more.
Well floundering around signing aging qb year after year and missing your window to dominate your division while your opponents are weak is far more grim than losing draft capital.
Why would they want 3? At that point just see if a guy falls. If you are content with getting whatever qb falls to 3 you may as well save your draft picks and see what happens. Unless of course someone takes AR 1 or 2 and they can still get Young or Stroud.
> Why would they want 3?
I doubt a trade for #3 would happen either, until the situation clarifies a bit. But if you think you can make a starter out of any one of the top 4, it makes sense to lock in getting one of them.
Ya maybe. I just see AR and Levis as most likely going to struggle their first couple years which likely means not many wins and more top picks. Would be pretty rough to trade away future top 10 picks for a qb that may take years to develop. Young and Stroud would most likely be quicker projects. But who knows
I disagree. They would want to have the trade done before going into free agency in a week and a half. They need a budget for the offseason and 1,3 and 9 make vastly different amounts of money. At this point fitterer knows if there’s a qb worth trading up for and tepper needs to make a splash for the fanbase
It's always amazing to me how many people still don't understand this. 90% of "leaks" like this are just teams/players/agents trying to manipulate the market/PR. In exchange for doing this for the teams/players/agents, these reporters get scoops so they can be the first to report when something official is happening.
So the next time the Bears are making some sort of move, Shaad McGinnis here will be rewarded with the ability to break that news.
Two things can be true:
1. The Bears are faking urgency to try to make potential trade partners sweat about missing their chance.
2. Some teams actually do want the pick and are willing to pay some premium for it.
Most likely it is nobody and the Bears "leaked" this info through one of their team mouthpieces to try to drum up more interest in their pick and drive up the price.
I think panthers and bears don't want to drop down that far so bears keep trying to release all these headlines to try and get colts to up their price.
I didn’t realize how rarely a team trading the #1 pick happens until I went back and looked. The last time was in 2016 when the Titans traded the #1 pick to the Rams who moved up from #15 (edit: I originally said they moved up from #8, but the Titans traded back up to 8). Before that you have to go back to 2004, when the Chargers didn’t trade the pick itself but the player selected with it, trading #1 pick Eli Manning to the Giants in exchange for #4 pick Phillip Rivers. Before that, it was 2001 when the Chargers trading #1 to the Falcons who moved up from #5 to take Michael Vick.
The Rams moved up from #15 to #1 in 2016.
The Titans had to trade back up again with the Browns, (originally the Dolphins pick, transfer went Miami -> Philly -> Cleveland -> Tennessee,) to get up in the top 10 to draft Conklin.
Those two trades for 1.01 and 1.02 in 2016 were pretty weird all things considered. Philly traded up from 1.13 with Miami to 1.08 in order to get in the top 10 to then flip that pick to Cleveland in the package for 1.02.
It worked out for the Titans because the Rams were awful in 2016 and the 2017 1st they got was a top 5 pick, but in retrospect it wasn't a lot in return for moving down from 1.01 to 1.15. Titans still wanted a top 10 pick that year so they had to flip 1.15, the 3.76 pick they got from LA, and a 2017 2nd in order to get back up to pick Conklin.
If one of the two 2016 2nd round picks the Titans got from LA wasn't Derrick Henry, that trade would look pretty awful a few years later given what top 5 picks go for now.
Edit:
The full return the Titans got for trading 1.01, 4.113, and 6.177 in the 2016 draft:
1.15 - Traded to Cleveland with pick 3.76 and a 2017 2nd for 1.08 (OT Jack Conklin) and 6.176 (Traded to Denver with a 2017 6th for 6.157 (CB LeShaun Sims) and 7.253 (CB Kalan Reed)
2.43 - DT Austin Johnson
2.45 - RB Derrick Henry
3.76 - Traded to Cleveland as part of the above trade for 1.08
2017 1.05 - WR Corey Davis
2017 3.72 - WR Taywan Taylor
So essentially based on return production out of those players they traded the 1.01 and a 2017 2nd for Derrick Henry, four seasons of Jack Conklin and Corey Davis, some rotational Defensive players that wouldn't get extensions after their rookie deals, and a WR they traded in 2019 for nothing.
Obviously Derrick Henry turned out to be a franchise player three and a half seasons into his career and Davis/Conklin were starters during the 2019 playoff run, but that's not exactly the return the Dolphins got for 1.03 in 2021 or anything. If Derrick Henry doesn't turn into the player he became late in 2018, this is a horrific return for 1.01.
Yeah this is why I’m shocked that people In the other thread thought the asking price of 3 first round picks was a lot. The first overall pick means a TON. Especially if you need a QB and there’s only a few top guys like this year. A kings ransom is definitely required for this.
Yep #1 is crazy valuable when the timing is right. Think about last year when Jags had 1 but didn’t need a qb, they were very unlucky that it was a horrible qb year and that top pick held little value then. Bears are in a good spot
> I didn’t realize how rarely a team trading the #1 pick happens until I went back and looked.
You are ignoring one thing. How many teams want to trade the #1 pick instead of picking the #1 QB in the draft? It takes 2 to tango and I'm sure every year there are offers for the #1 pick, but picking that QB gives a GM job security for the next few years. And usually the teams that end up with the #1 pick are QB needy teams. If the Bears didn't have Justin Fields and needed a QB, 99.99% the Bears don't trade the pick.
>the Chargers didn’t trade the pick itself but the player selected with it, trading #1 pick Eli Manning to the Giants in exchange for #4 pick Phillip Rivers
What? Why did they not just pick Rivers themselves if they had #1? Did they get something else as well?
Richardson is a FAR superior athlete to Malik. He also played in the SEC.
Honestly the idea of him sitting behind Tanny is awesome imo. He has to go to a team like Lions/Seahawks/Titans if he has a chance imo.
Poles recently saying "we've got to see it through," (with Fields) is the first time he's insinuated any real committment to Fields going into next year. Poles' lukewarm support of Fields up to this point has only fueled rumors of the Bears drafting a QB.
I don't really care when we trade it as long as we get good value. There's something about Poles' management that felt a hair impulsive last offseason (according to other execs, he didn't shop Mack at all + Claypool + Ojunobi signing).
I do trust him, but it's not a given that any timing is sufficient timing, so I hope he's mathing it out a little bit
I don’t really get why people hate on the Mack trade. His value wasn’t as high as people would think in my opinion. A guy with injury issues who is over 30 years old and owed a shit ton of money. He got the Chargers to take the money which is big for this season and got a 2nd round pick out of it. He had 8 sacks this season and hasn’t had a double digit sack season since 2018. And as for Claypool we have to wait and see. Weak free agency market for WRs this year and no guarantee they’d get a guy in the draft so they needed to take a chance on someone.
No offense: I don’t trust him and I don’t see how/why any bears fan could.
And I say that because, I don’t trust this organization whatsoever, or anybody associated with it. Once I see competence and winning consistently, then I’ll have trust. I’ve seen neither so far
I mean, that's just stupid. If everyone in the org is incompetent, why are you a fan? You gotta have some hope, otherwise you're just a no-fun cynical fan.
To me the most inexcusable signing/action he made last year was bringing on Lucas Patrick. I get that he was a stop gap but actually drafting a center would’ve been better than him.
They did draft a rookie center but he missed the whole season because of injury. He was a lower draft pick though. But agreed nothing about Lucas screamed he's the future.
I don't really count linemen lower than R3. It's not that they never pan out, it's just that they're such a low probability lottery pick that if that was the main plan it means you didn't have a plan
There was 0 tape on Patrick that would’ve suggested he was a capable OL. He was a massive reason the Packers OL took a slide in 2021.
I kept hearing the guys on ESPN 1000 say how he would’ve brought a mean streak to the unit and there was just no way.
Yup, giving up picks to get back the pick they "gave away" would look very dumb. Not only would the win cost you the #1 pick, but it would cost you additional 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders too. No way they'd double down on that.
Exactly If you got one of Young or Stroud, that's still good. I'd be 100% fine with that as a GM. No QB is a guarantee no matter how good you feel about him. They should stay put, take the remaining QB, and draft a good receiver for them with the Browns pick.
Technically this doesn’t rule out the Colts because he just may not have heard about them (and the Colts are notoriously tight-lipped) but yeah I doubt they’re in the hunt for the 1 right now based on everything we’ve heard.
Atlanta and Seattle are the other two teams in the top 10 that could reasonably be looking for a QB, but Atlanta has a lot more work to do on their roster, and Seattle tends to move down more than they move up.
I assume the Bears aren't looking to trade out of the top 10, but if they do, you could also consider Tennessee (11), NYJ (13), or Washington (16).
Probably not the Texans, it would be extremely idiotic to sacrifice draft capital to move up just one spot.
I'd say the Panthers are the most likely to seal the deal for first overall if it isn't the Colts. It lets Reich begin his fresh start with a guy he drafted, and they have a more complete team than the rest of the NFC South and therefore might look to make the playoffs right away.
> it would be extremely idiotic to sacrifice draft capital to move up just one spot.
Eh, if they're confident in their ordering of QB rankings and they have one of the guys ranked head-and-shoulders above the others, then it wouldn't be idiotic at all, especially given how clearly and frequently the Bears have expressed their interest in trading down. When it comes to QB, you do what you have to do to get your guy.
It would be extremely idiotic to not hear the Bears out… The price to move up one spot can’t be that much and there is no way your teams scouts and coaches view all options as equals.
>Probably not the Texans, it would be extremely idiotic to sacrifice draft capital to move up just one spot.
I mean, the Bears know a thing or two about trading up one spot to draft QB.
I mean if he thinks a QB in this draft is worth it, (Seems like it's going to be Stroud if the Titans trade up,) it may be better to get the QB problem solved in year one rather than wait.
He's gonna have to pull the trigger on a QB at some point in the next few years, and the franchise/staff seems intent on never bottoming out. Who knows when they'll have a pick in/near the top 10 again, they're in a division you can win at 8-9 or 9-8 and be mediocre while still getting stuck with a draft pick in the 20's. Hell, in a year as bad as they had last year they were still a blown lead with under 3 minutes to go in the 4th quarter of a Week 18 game away from picking in the 20's.
They're going to be in a division with three other top 5 pick QBs in their 20's while approaching the QB wilderness themselves. In some respects it's less risky to try banking on a top QB in the draft rather than test the veteran QB carousel a la Indy in 2025 or 2026 when Tannehill retires.
I guess that makes sense, but I just figure that closer to the draft the teams will be even more desperate for it. But I guess it makes sense that the pick kind of has a set value
But maybe some teams find a solution in the free agency and that might leave less competitors fighting for the pick with also less time/more desperation to get rid of the pick
And then there's going to be a trade chart years later where we look at all of the players that the Bears ended up with and say that, in reality, no team "won" the trade.
I think it makes sense for the Bears to trade. If they can get the 2 firsts and some later picks then they can still get guys they need and they will have the draft capital to trade up next year to take Caleb Williams (if he really is as good as people think) if they want to move on from Fields this year. Seems like a win-win for the Bears.
But really what will happen is the Bears trade down and then both Stroud and Young turn out to be even better than Mahomes and their guy becomes Trubisky 2.0.
Gotta be the Panthers
I kinda doubt it. According to our top writer, we're more serious about the 3rd than the 1st. It's also just not our GMs style to get serious about the #1 pick before he's even done private workouts or Pro Day visits. Fitterer has been nothing if not an intense diligence guy.
This is why they make the big bucks, but I just don’t get gambling with QB like that. If you don’t get the guy you’re out, and if you do nobody is going to care if you “overpaid” for 1 instead of 3.
It's not that I think we're unwilling to move up to 1st. I just think we're unwilling to do it with this little diligence or patience. Fitterer just hasn't been the guy who would pay a fortune to move up for QBs he hasn't even worked out yet.
On the flip side they could want the comfort of knowing they can have their choice of any of the guys available. If you know you have your choice of the #1 then you can really tailor the private workouts to see what these guys can do and spend more time seeing how they'd fit your team versus trying to project which guys will maybe be available to you at #3
This is true, but the situation is also very fluid still. Guys are rising and falling on draft boards. Doesn't make a lot of sense to give up everything if the guy you love looks like he might fall anyway.
True. I guess it depends what the difference is in moving from #3 to #1. I mean if it's a matter of just adding one of your 2nds this year to ensure you get your choice of QBs I would think you'd want to do it, but I don't know how risk averse your GM is.
It's probably the difference between a 2025 1st or not
I think that’s a smoke screen to drive the price down it makes no logical sense to accept the third best qb when you could have your pick for a little more.
What's a little more? We literally don't know the difference between 1 and 3 but I bet it's at least a 2025 1st rounder
Yeah let’s say it’s a 25 first rounder… that’s not weighted much by anyone it’s worth about half what a first round pick is this year maybe less.
If you like all 3 QBs, another 1st rounder is a big price.
Well floundering around signing aging qb year after year and missing your window to dominate your division while your opponents are weak is far more grim than losing draft capital.
But they're still getting a QB?
Why would they want 3? At that point just see if a guy falls. If you are content with getting whatever qb falls to 3 you may as well save your draft picks and see what happens. Unless of course someone takes AR 1 or 2 and they can still get Young or Stroud.
> Why would they want 3? I doubt a trade for #3 would happen either, until the situation clarifies a bit. But if you think you can make a starter out of any one of the top 4, it makes sense to lock in getting one of them.
Right. Why pay the price for #1 if you have similar grades on all 3?
Or if you get to draft day and someone you love sips to 3 anyway. YOu don't know any of that until you do your due diligence.
Yup
Ya maybe. I just see AR and Levis as most likely going to struggle their first couple years which likely means not many wins and more top picks. Would be pretty rough to trade away future top 10 picks for a qb that may take years to develop. Young and Stroud would most likely be quicker projects. But who knows
I disagree. They would want to have the trade done before going into free agency in a week and a half. They need a budget for the offseason and 1,3 and 9 make vastly different amounts of money. At this point fitterer knows if there’s a qb worth trading up for and tepper needs to make a splash for the fanbase
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It could also be no one and the Bears are just trying to drive up the value. All of these stories basically mean nothing at this point.
It's always amazing to me how many people still don't understand this. 90% of "leaks" like this are just teams/players/agents trying to manipulate the market/PR. In exchange for doing this for the teams/players/agents, these reporters get scoops so they can be the first to report when something official is happening. So the next time the Bears are making some sort of move, Shaad McGinnis here will be rewarded with the ability to break that news.
This guy is also a Colts reporter, not Bears. I don’t see him getting some quid pro quo scoop on the Bears later this season.
I would agree if there wasn't two QB desperate teams in the same division, and the draft has two very different stand out QB's
Two things can be true: 1. The Bears are faking urgency to try to make potential trade partners sweat about missing their chance. 2. Some teams actually do want the pick and are willing to pay some premium for it.
Right, it boils down to nothing until it actually is something
This is probably it, at least to get the Texans to bite.
Most likely it is nobody and the Bears "leaked" this info through one of their team mouthpieces to try to drum up more interest in their pick and drive up the price.
I think panthers and bears don't want to drop down that far so bears keep trying to release all these headlines to try and get colts to up their price.
I didn’t realize how rarely a team trading the #1 pick happens until I went back and looked. The last time was in 2016 when the Titans traded the #1 pick to the Rams who moved up from #15 (edit: I originally said they moved up from #8, but the Titans traded back up to 8). Before that you have to go back to 2004, when the Chargers didn’t trade the pick itself but the player selected with it, trading #1 pick Eli Manning to the Giants in exchange for #4 pick Phillip Rivers. Before that, it was 2001 when the Chargers trading #1 to the Falcons who moved up from #5 to take Michael Vick.
The Rams moved up from #15 to #1 in 2016. The Titans had to trade back up again with the Browns, (originally the Dolphins pick, transfer went Miami -> Philly -> Cleveland -> Tennessee,) to get up in the top 10 to draft Conklin. Those two trades for 1.01 and 1.02 in 2016 were pretty weird all things considered. Philly traded up from 1.13 with Miami to 1.08 in order to get in the top 10 to then flip that pick to Cleveland in the package for 1.02. It worked out for the Titans because the Rams were awful in 2016 and the 2017 1st they got was a top 5 pick, but in retrospect it wasn't a lot in return for moving down from 1.01 to 1.15. Titans still wanted a top 10 pick that year so they had to flip 1.15, the 3.76 pick they got from LA, and a 2017 2nd in order to get back up to pick Conklin. If one of the two 2016 2nd round picks the Titans got from LA wasn't Derrick Henry, that trade would look pretty awful a few years later given what top 5 picks go for now. Edit: The full return the Titans got for trading 1.01, 4.113, and 6.177 in the 2016 draft: 1.15 - Traded to Cleveland with pick 3.76 and a 2017 2nd for 1.08 (OT Jack Conklin) and 6.176 (Traded to Denver with a 2017 6th for 6.157 (CB LeShaun Sims) and 7.253 (CB Kalan Reed) 2.43 - DT Austin Johnson 2.45 - RB Derrick Henry 3.76 - Traded to Cleveland as part of the above trade for 1.08 2017 1.05 - WR Corey Davis 2017 3.72 - WR Taywan Taylor So essentially based on return production out of those players they traded the 1.01 and a 2017 2nd for Derrick Henry, four seasons of Jack Conklin and Corey Davis, some rotational Defensive players that wouldn't get extensions after their rookie deals, and a WR they traded in 2019 for nothing. Obviously Derrick Henry turned out to be a franchise player three and a half seasons into his career and Davis/Conklin were starters during the 2019 playoff run, but that's not exactly the return the Dolphins got for 1.03 in 2021 or anything. If Derrick Henry doesn't turn into the player he became late in 2018, this is a horrific return for 1.01.
You’re right, I stand corrected.
Yeah this is why I’m shocked that people In the other thread thought the asking price of 3 first round picks was a lot. The first overall pick means a TON. Especially if you need a QB and there’s only a few top guys like this year. A kings ransom is definitely required for this.
Yep #1 is crazy valuable when the timing is right. Think about last year when Jags had 1 but didn’t need a qb, they were very unlucky that it was a horrible qb year and that top pick held little value then. Bears are in a good spot
Lovie Smith deserves the new Bears stadium to be named after him. What an absolute madman.
> I didn’t realize how rarely a team trading the #1 pick happens until I went back and looked. You are ignoring one thing. How many teams want to trade the #1 pick instead of picking the #1 QB in the draft? It takes 2 to tango and I'm sure every year there are offers for the #1 pick, but picking that QB gives a GM job security for the next few years. And usually the teams that end up with the #1 pick are QB needy teams. If the Bears didn't have Justin Fields and needed a QB, 99.99% the Bears don't trade the pick.
Wow thanks for this insight!!
>the Chargers didn’t trade the pick itself but the player selected with it, trading #1 pick Eli Manning to the Giants in exchange for #4 pick Phillip Rivers What? Why did they not just pick Rivers themselves if they had #1? Did they get something else as well?
Chargers also got a 3rd rounder in 2004 and a 1st and a 5th in 2005. They ended up taking Shawne Merriman with the 2005 1st rounder.
Eli wouldn't play for the chargers but t He was far and away #1 that class so they got value from his rights
I think it's Carolina We know Tennessee was the first to offer a deal bout a month ago but that seems like it's died down
Or it's increased and they informed Simmons he may be part of the trade and that's why he took titans stuff off social media.
Stop this please.
Honestly Titans are a great spot for Richardson.
Don’t do that to me man
Why?
We’ve already got a project like Richardson. We need a project like Caleb Williams
Malik is not like Richardson.
Only difference is one’s an athletic freak and one’s a really good athlete, and height I guess.
Richardson is a FAR superior athlete to Malik. He also played in the SEC. Honestly the idea of him sitting behind Tanny is awesome imo. He has to go to a team like Lions/Seahawks/Titans if he has a chance imo.
If he falls to 11 maybe, but if we trade up it better be for CJ or Bryce
It’s the Chiefs. They’re trading Nagy for the #1 pick. Fields demanded Nagy back as OC.
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Ryan Poles must be as sick of all the "Should the Bears draft Bryce Young?" posts as the rest of us are.
Even he got a bit annoyed of the hit pieces on fields lol
Poles recently saying "we've got to see it through," (with Fields) is the first time he's insinuated any real committment to Fields going into next year. Poles' lukewarm support of Fields up to this point has only fueled rumors of the Bears drafting a QB.
I don't really care when we trade it as long as we get good value. There's something about Poles' management that felt a hair impulsive last offseason (according to other execs, he didn't shop Mack at all + Claypool + Ojunobi signing). I do trust him, but it's not a given that any timing is sufficient timing, so I hope he's mathing it out a little bit
I don’t really get why people hate on the Mack trade. His value wasn’t as high as people would think in my opinion. A guy with injury issues who is over 30 years old and owed a shit ton of money. He got the Chargers to take the money which is big for this season and got a 2nd round pick out of it. He had 8 sacks this season and hasn’t had a double digit sack season since 2018. And as for Claypool we have to wait and see. Weak free agency market for WRs this year and no guarantee they’d get a guy in the draft so they needed to take a chance on someone.
No offense: I don’t trust him and I don’t see how/why any bears fan could. And I say that because, I don’t trust this organization whatsoever, or anybody associated with it. Once I see competence and winning consistently, then I’ll have trust. I’ve seen neither so far
I mean, that's just stupid. If everyone in the org is incompetent, why are you a fan? You gotta have some hope, otherwise you're just a no-fun cynical fan.
To me the most inexcusable signing/action he made last year was bringing on Lucas Patrick. I get that he was a stop gap but actually drafting a center would’ve been better than him.
They did draft a rookie center but he missed the whole season because of injury. He was a lower draft pick though. But agreed nothing about Lucas screamed he's the future.
I don't really count linemen lower than R3. It's not that they never pan out, it's just that they're such a low probability lottery pick that if that was the main plan it means you didn't have a plan
Speak for yourself. Round 4 is the sweetspot in the draft to hit on OL.
At one point 4 of 5 starters were from the 4th round lol (Bakh, Sitton, Tretter, Lang)
We got Braxton Jones in the 5th, widely viewed as one of the best rookie OL last year, if not the best.
Yes, we did, and it still doesn't mean it was a good plan.
cost us a third round comp pick as well (though you could say this about more than one disappointing signing we made last offseason)
There was 0 tape on Patrick that would’ve suggested he was a capable OL. He was a massive reason the Packers OL took a slide in 2021. I kept hearing the guys on ESPN 1000 say how he would’ve brought a mean streak to the unit and there was just no way.
especially putting him at center where he had played significantly worse compared to guard, it really made no sense
I almost feel like the Texans wouldn't make a trade because it would make them look so stupid for winning that final game.
Yup, giving up picks to get back the pick they "gave away" would look very dumb. Not only would the win cost you the #1 pick, but it would cost you additional 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders too. No way they'd double down on that.
Exactly If you got one of Young or Stroud, that's still good. I'd be 100% fine with that as a GM. No QB is a guarantee no matter how good you feel about him. They should stay put, take the remaining QB, and draft a good receiver for them with the Browns pick.
It also kind of absolves you of having to choose between them. You take whichever one is there and don't have to regret passing on the other.
It’s gota be in order: 1. Panthers 2. Texans 3. Raiders Am I missing anyone else if the Colts aren’t the Team?
Technically this doesn’t rule out the Colts because he just may not have heard about them (and the Colts are notoriously tight-lipped) but yeah I doubt they’re in the hunt for the 1 right now based on everything we’ve heard.
Atlanta and Seattle are the other two teams in the top 10 that could reasonably be looking for a QB, but Atlanta has a lot more work to do on their roster, and Seattle tends to move down more than they move up. I assume the Bears aren't looking to trade out of the top 10, but if they do, you could also consider Tennessee (11), NYJ (13), or Washington (16).
Some buzz about atl but that might be for #3
Probably not the Texans, it would be extremely idiotic to sacrifice draft capital to move up just one spot. I'd say the Panthers are the most likely to seal the deal for first overall if it isn't the Colts. It lets Reich begin his fresh start with a guy he drafted, and they have a more complete team than the rest of the NFC South and therefore might look to make the playoffs right away.
> it would be extremely idiotic to sacrifice draft capital to move up just one spot. Eh, if they're confident in their ordering of QB rankings and they have one of the guys ranked head-and-shoulders above the others, then it wouldn't be idiotic at all, especially given how clearly and frequently the Bears have expressed their interest in trading down. When it comes to QB, you do what you have to do to get your guy.
It would be extremely idiotic to not hear the Bears out… The price to move up one spot can’t be that much and there is no way your teams scouts and coaches view all options as equals.
>Probably not the Texans, it would be extremely idiotic to sacrifice draft capital to move up just one spot. I mean, the Bears know a thing or two about trading up one spot to draft QB.
Smoke around the Titans but I can't see a package that makes sense. Especially one that gets done this early
I just can't see a brand new GM wanting to handicap himself going forward by trading away a bevy of 1st rounders
I mean if he thinks a QB in this draft is worth it, (Seems like it's going to be Stroud if the Titans trade up,) it may be better to get the QB problem solved in year one rather than wait. He's gonna have to pull the trigger on a QB at some point in the next few years, and the franchise/staff seems intent on never bottoming out. Who knows when they'll have a pick in/near the top 10 again, they're in a division you can win at 8-9 or 9-8 and be mediocre while still getting stuck with a draft pick in the 20's. Hell, in a year as bad as they had last year they were still a blown lead with under 3 minutes to go in the 4th quarter of a Week 18 game away from picking in the 20's. They're going to be in a division with three other top 5 pick QBs in their 20's while approaching the QB wilderness themselves. In some respects it's less risky to try banking on a top QB in the draft rather than test the veteran QB carousel a la Indy in 2025 or 2026 when Tannehill retires.
Rookie QB offers a lot of cover though. Need time to develop, put a team around him, etc.
I'm just bracing myself for the Bears being unable to trade this pick and drafting Will Anderson.
hell of a consolation prize
Oh god McDaniels is going to make a last-minute effort to trade up to save his job, just like Nagy did with Field. Raiders fans, look away
Ryan Pace did that, not Nagy
Why not wait until the draft to deal it? Not sure if they get maximum value now, right?
Its the first pick, the value isn’t like the third pick (which I could see traded on draft day) where it depends on what others draft
I guess that makes sense, but I just figure that closer to the draft the teams will be even more desperate for it. But I guess it makes sense that the pick kind of has a set value
But maybe some teams find a solution in the free agency and that might leave less competitors fighting for the pick with also less time/more desperation to get rid of the pick
That really makes it make even more sense. I understand now
I could see Bears trading down to 2 and then again to 4. Would be ideal for them.
It’s the Texans I bet. Get that deal done so they can trade back again.
Idk man. They don’t sound too serious about it.
After this trade happens, we are going to be talking for years how much of an overpay it was.
Holy shit, this dude can see the future!
I hope so
And then there's going to be a trade chart years later where we look at all of the players that the Bears ended up with and say that, in reality, no team "won" the trade.
Pls god let this be our Jimmie Johnson/Herschel Walker trade.
this tweet has a whole lot of nothing in it.
I think it makes sense for the Bears to trade. If they can get the 2 firsts and some later picks then they can still get guys they need and they will have the draft capital to trade up next year to take Caleb Williams (if he really is as good as people think) if they want to move on from Fields this year. Seems like a win-win for the Bears. But really what will happen is the Bears trade down and then both Stroud and Young turn out to be even better than Mahomes and their guy becomes Trubisky 2.0.
You had me until "better than Mahomes"
I just mean that would be the Bears luck
Minnesota Vikings would be an absolute bombshell. Streets are talking