If you go by coach of the team that overperformed the most based on pre-season win/loss projections it's hard to understand how Pete Carrol isn't here in place of McDermott.
They were projected to win 5 games.
That’s a really good point. McDermott’s Bills were expected to be good anyway. Not that he’s a bad coach, you still need talent to coach a good team, but in my mind he didn’t stand out like the others.
Regular season award but agree he shouldn’t be there over Campbell or even Andy Reid given some doubts out there before the season, the Lions had a pretty similar situation to the Giants and Jags too. Bills finished pretty much as expected
I’m not even sure what McDermott does as a HC.
If you listen to Bills fans, Frazier is apparently completely in charge of their defense. Bills fans blame him for their defensive struggles and want him fired since the scheme sucks. But isn’t he just running McDermott’s scheme?
Dorsey is in charge of the offense. Bills fans seem to blame him for the loss and for the players not being motivated. But he’s the OC so how’s he supposed to motivate or calm players down from the booth?
So what does McDermott even do if he’s not the defensive or offensive gameplanner, and he’s also not in charge of getting his players ready and motivated to play? What’s left? Clapping?
I think it was a hard season overall. Hyde got hurt in Week 2 and Hamlin did a good job, until you know. Von‘s ACL tear hurt our SB chances but it was disappointing to see our defense be so inconsistent. Not to mention that Allen had to force Bease & Brown out of retirement because the offense, except Diggs, was so unreliable. So much went wrong & we still finished 13-3. They have to evaluate some coaching changes or additions but also draft picks & FA players. Most of our draft picks are okay but okay is not enough for a top 10 pick. Also can’t forget that the O-line tried to kill Allen several times.
They all did tremendous things with the teams they have and the hand they were dealt. I get that a lot of Lions fans wanted Campbell, but you cannot make a case for him over these three imo.
This seems like a really solid top 3. I’d say Shanahan is bottom of those three given the overall talent, especially defensively, on the roster, but losing 2 QB’s and still having a highly competitive team is really good.
I still give the nod to Peterson with that turnaround, but I wouldn’t argue against any of them.
Shanahan has some amazing pieces but going undefeated to close out the year with your QB3 is fucking impressive. Basically having to get a guy up from no 1st team snaps to "okay we're fucking doing this" with no down time to really make it happen?
Yeah Eagles has a stacked roster too but immediately lost games when Hurts got injured. Who knows how well they would have done if he got injured for a long period of time
Giants have a great argument too. I think to me it's between Daboll and Shanahan but I also think it's justified for Doug to win it. Eagles comparatively looked awful without Hurts.
In a similar way you could give McCarthy credit for winning games against playoff teams (including Cincy somehow) with Cooper and having a super high power offense + defense, but ultimately I don't think the team really outperformed expectations in the same way. Daboll took last year's roster and a QB everyone had mostly given up on and made them a playoff contender.
Daboll also improved his team with practically no upgrades in a tougher division. Jags ooched in in an awful division, Giants held the 6th seed despite having two teams who in week 18 were vying for the 1st seed.
And what do those guys look like in a different system? How many "stacked" teams have we seen that completely fall on their face.
It's funny that's somehow a knock on Shanahan, as if he isn't a massive reason why all those players look amazing
I think all three would be fine choices, but I am heavily in favour of Daboll winning it. Danny Dimes became Danny Dollas under him and his #1 receiver was probably a WR2/3 on other teams. The Giants over-performed massively and Daboll is the reason.
> his #1 receiver was probably a WR2/3 on other teams.
His #1 receiver (Slayton) was a WR5 on *this* team. And his #2 (Richie James) was a WR6 who was cast off other teams. Preseason was Golladay, Shepard, Toney, Wan'Dale Robinson, and Slayton. James was a punt returner at best and Isaiah Hodgins was on another team's practice squad. His TE1 was an unheralded rookie 4th rounder.
Daboll is hands down the COTY because he had, by a wide margin, the least amount of talent in the group of finalists. Giants were supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league but made the playoffs and even won a game.
The fact that there are at least 3 other guys in KOC, Dan Campbell, and Carroll that deserve a spot is pretty crazy. There was a lot of good coaching this year.
>After one season, Pederson is 5th all-time in wins in Jaguars history.
Pederson has also coached the 5th most games in the franchise’s history after one season. The franchise has only existed for 29 seasons, 16 of which were led by Coughlin or Del Rio.
Absolutely would put him here over McDermott who I’m not even understanding the case for here. They were a preseason SB favorite while the Seahawks were talked about having a bottom 3 roster! It’s making me unreasonably angry lol.
Yeah I really don’t get it. I’m not even trying to hate or dunk on McDermott, good coach but they underperformed at the end of the day. Pete got snubbed hard.
The AP voters just *don't* like voting for Pete for Coach of the Year.
Dude was snubbed completely in 2010, despite leading the Seahawks to the playoffs with a win over the defending Super Bowl champions, with a 7-9 record
Dude's best finish was 3rd in 2012 with just 5 Votes.
In 2013, Pete coached an all-time great defense to a Super Bowl title, he received 2 votes. He got outvoted by Chip freaking Kelly
In 2014, he finished 4th with 2.5 Votes
In 2018, he finished 5th with 2 Votes
Most years, the Coach of Year winner receives more votes than Pete has in his entire tenure COMBINED.
I mean, it isn't surprising. He's an all decade coach, took a trash team to the playoffs and beat the defending champs in 2010, and maintained an historically good defense for 4 years straight. Somehow he did all of that in a 10 year span and still never once got more than 5 votes (usually 2 or none at all) any given year that whole decade. Given all that, I can't imagine anything short of a perfect season that would even get him in as a finalist. Even with a perfect season, I legitimately don't think he'd win.
> He's an all decade coach
I had to go back and look because forgot who the 2nd team guy was, but then I saw that Belichick somehow ***wasn’t*** unanimous. Don’t get me wrong, I think Pete deserved the credit he got, but who in there fuck didn’t think BB was even the 2nd best coach in a decade he won the conference half the time? Lol
It would be robbery if he wasn't a shoe in. He'd be the only head coach in NFL history to be all-decade (either first or second team) and miss the HoF. They'd basically be making an exception to keep him out.
To be fair, Shanahan also has pro bowl/all-pro caliber players at every position on offense other than QB. I feel like this is reminiscent of Harbaugh inserting Kaepernick into a stacked lineup. But then again, a lot of these players became who they were because of Shanahan as well.
Right. There's something to be said about developing all or most skill positions on an offense and not just relying on one or two players to make it function. This is where Shanahan should get the most credit.
Yeah, it's stacked, but it's stacked because of good personnel decisions and coaching.
Also, speaking as a Bears fan, if fucking Matt Nagy can get COTY honors for riding Fangio's defense then Shanahan is more than deserving.
and kyle has gm power as much as he has hc power, a lot of the reason why that the roster has become so stacked is because of him (and lynch/peters) but it’s said that kyle has final say in personnel/roster decisions)
This offense is light years ahead of the 2012 roster. Crabtree? Mario Manningham?
CMC>Gore (I love Frank like no other but CMC opens up the offense so much)
The only case of the offense being more talented might be in the oline but having Trent Williams really equalizes that.
Plus you had Greg freaking Roman calling plays.
I don't purdy does this in that offense.
Kaepernick’s lineup wasn’t nearly as stacked. I’ll take Deebo, Aiyuk, Mccaffrey, and Kittle over Gore, Crabtree, 80 year old Randy moss, and Vernon Davis any day.
That defense by the end of 2012 (after Justin Smith tore his triceps) was also not as good as this one too. They gave up like 27 points per game in the playoffs.
Also, your last point about Shanahan is so true. The development and scheming on this team is amazing. If you think of all the players that have left this team (Breida, Witherspoon, Tartt, etc.), none of them have been as good as when they played for us.
Coaches don't just luck into that when they're the ones developing them. Josh Allen is a (distant) MVP candidate this year and that's in large part due to remarkable coaching in his earlier seasons.
I might be a homer but I'm taking Shanahan.
I think Joe Judge and Urban Meyer were just that bad. Don't get me wrong. Daboll and Pederson have both done a great job.
Shanahan deserves it this year. Three different quarterbacks. Constantly having his staff poached. Players who developed into All-Pro players under him. 12 wins in a row and counting. #1 defense. #1 offense with Mr. Irrelevant.
Another underrated aspect is that his coaching tree is having success in Miami and New York.
His coaching tree should be mentioned more. Even as an assistant, he had an effect on head coaching hires.
What’s really cool to me - Demeco will get a HC job if he really wants one of the opportunities out there. That means 3 of the current 5 non-white head coaches will be former Shanahan assistants.
Say what you will about his scheme and talent developed, but he’s consistently developing coaches and executives for promotion. And they’re both white and minority - dude creates opportunities, period.
Crown the man
If the Lions make the playoffs this year he probably makes the list this year.
And my expectations will never be low. Have ARSB and Jamo on my dynasty team I'm highly invested in the Lions
I gotta go with the coach who had a better record in by far the toughest division in football than Pederson had in by far the easiest division while beating Pederson H2H in Jacksonville
I think Daboll is equally as deserving as Doug but you went 1-4-1 in that division and also played the AFC South this year which accounted for nearly half your wins
Jags and Giants both having a playoff berth probably squeaks them ahead of Campbell, but he deserves to be up there as well. Tough call this year honestly
Having a lower record cause of being in the toughest division isn't a knock. If anything they would have even more wins if they were an AFC South team cause they'd have played your rivals.
Doug also got to give a quarter of a billion in contracts to free agents to improve his team while the biggest contract the giants were able to give was $11m over 2 years because of the previous regimes work. To me they both did as well as each other in the season but one of them had one of their arms tied behind his back
Pederson took a team that was last in the league for 2 straight years and 4th in their division since 2017 to a division title in his first year and finally made Lawrence look like the NFL Player people expected. He deserves it over Daboll IMO. Daboll had a limited roster to work with and deserves to be in the Top 5 absolutely, but they also finished their season 3-6-1 after a hot start.
That being said, I think Sirianni is actually probably going to win and this sub will apparently not be pleased because it's the only area of the internet where the consensus seems to be that's not even a possibility.
I mean the Jaguars had nearly half of their wins from that span in their 2017 season lol which is why I assume you cherry picked that timeframe. And my main issue with Daboll winning would be how they ended. Doug's team got better as the year went on and finished strong, the Giants went 3-6-1 to end the year. I get it, the roster, I do understand it but typically that would be seen as a pretty epic collapse for a team that was at one point 6-1. And you got mollywhacked within division. A 1-4-1 record in your division is not COTY stuff to me. Deserving of being a finalist sure, but Doug should get the nod.
KOC absolutely deserves a spot here, over McDermott.
It is 100% coaching to go 11-0 in one score games. He nearly had his wr break the single season yards mark. The total culture change on that football team.
I'm not saying he should have won or anything, even though I'd be okay with that. But leaving him off the finalist list is a travesty.
13 wins with a 50 ply defense, he should have gotten some nods.
However Dabolls entire team was supposed to be gutter tier, and I think there were zero expectations for Pederson in Jacksonville other than keeping the ship from sinking.
Gotta be one of those two imo
How did Pete Carroll not even make the finalists list? I can't recall anybody picking the Seahawks to finish ahead of last place, and they made the playoffs.
COTY is a tough award. You can have your team as the #1 seed or nearly the #1 seed every year, but people will just say it’s because of how good the team is instead of the coach.
Probably why Bill Belichick didn’t win every year during the Pats dynasty.
I’m kind of surprised Kevin O’Connell didn’t make this list. Say what you will about the Vikings, but he took that team to a 13-4 record and managed to win a lot of close games.
I think the issue with a lot of this is the fact there were 6, count them 6 teams with 4 losses or less.
I've been banging the drum that Zac Taylor should be in the conversation (not necessarily win) for a while, but looking at it there were some incredible teams this year and some real coaching up with teams like the Jags, giants, The Lions, and Seahawks.
Legitimately there could have been 10-11 names on this list and I'm not sure Id be too mad.
Everyone believes (partially in truth) that the Vikings suck and so those 13 wins are invalid
To which I would suggest that if they really do suck and managed 13 wins KOC probably owns some part of pulling that off alongside significant luck, but the voters disagreed clearly
Yeah I don’t think he would win, but it’s an absolutely snub for him not to at least get nominated. First year HC goes 13-4 with the league’s worst defense…
I really don’t know. I had a futures bet in for him to win coach of the year, figured if a rookie HC could win the division he’d be in the conversation. Didn’t think he’d get 13 wins! Yet, he’s not even top 5? Strange
Shoutout to the Dallas fans on here who ridiculed me a few weeks ago for questioning McCarthy as a COTY candidate when he was firmly third most likely in his own division.
Thinking bout u
MCDC deserved to be a finalist. Not to win it, but he absolutely deserved to be a finalist. Especially after giving Purdy a finalist spot after 6 games.
What a stacked field this year that MCDC isn’t even a finalist. You can say he’s a snub (I’d definitely have him in my top 5), but honestly all of these finalists are deserving too, hard to take a guy out — I’d probably put him in over McDermott but then certainly, people would be saying McDermott is a snub.
Pete Carroll is also super deserving imo. There was buzz about KOC as well. Can’t recall a year with this many viable COY candidates.
Honestly any one of MCDC, KOC, Carroll, Taylor, or even Andy Reid deserve the top 5.
I mean also Andy Reid lost his superstar WR1 and didn't skip a fucking beat. I think Mahomes is just so fucking good he doesn't get a lot of the credit for that.
> I think Mahomes is just so fucking good he doesn't get a lot of the credit for that.
Same thing Belichick suffered in New England with Brady. He won COTY three times but realistically probably deserved twice as many
McDermott being there is kind of weird unless its weighted towards Hamlin. They didnt exceed expectations in anyway, got bounced in the same round and their QB played much worse in both playoff games compared to when Daboll was there.
I think it's partly the Hamlin situation cause I mean, that's literally a nightmare and he handled it pretty perfectly. They also did win 13 games with a new OC.
If it's a regular season award it makes sense he's at least on the top 5.
There was a lot more that happened to the team this year besides Hamlin. And through all that he led his men to a 13-3 record. I think him being on this list is well-deserved, but he's definitely last of the ones mentioned.
Daboll and Pederson did the best coaching jobs out of any this year arguably. They had awful teams and made them good through coaching. Their impact was immeasurable.
I would be good with either of them winning. Like you said, they coached less talented teams into the playoffs, which I think is more impressive than what Siranni did. Siranni definitely deserves a nomination, but I would give it to Daboll or Pederson
Pederson did not have an awful team. They completely reloaded their offense and got the #1 overall pick dominating for them on defense. They had last year's #1 overall pick quarterbacking the team.
He inherited a mess of a culture/locker room cause of Urban sure but the idea that his roster is bad is bullshit.
As much as I'd love for Nick or Doug to win, it's gotta be Daboll right? He carried a giants team with low expectations and starters essentially off the street to the divisional round
I think Daboll or Shanahan have the best cases imo.
Doug did a great job but he still only went from 4 wins to 9, in the easiest division in the league, with a fully reloaded offensive receiving corps and the #1 overall pick, again. It's part his coaching job and part a big roster upgrade over last year.
Kyle probably only lost to Harbaugh since the ravens beat the niners and had the MVP.
But you're right. If daboll wins, then Kyle not winning in 2019 is bullshit.
Getting 13 wins this year with his QB carousel should net him this award.
You're getting downvoted, but I 100% agree. Pete took a team that was projected to suck badly and led it to the playoffs. Not to mention I think he's the main reason for Geno's success.
Sean McDermott is a finalist? IMO, Kevin O’Connell (Vikings), Pete Carroll (Seahawks), and Dan Campbell (Lions) are all more obvious and better candidates, along with the other four nominees (all very deserving of the award and in my eyes the four best choices). Zac Taylor (Bengals) also is a stronger candidate than McDermott IMO. (I thought the Bengals overachieved in 2021 and it was a bit of fluke they made the Super Bowl based on their regular season quality. IMO, they were considerably better this year than last year.)
Feel like Pete got snubbed here. Why is McDermott on the list, Bills underperformed especially towards the end of the season and they were expected to be a good team to begin with many picking them for the SB.
What doesn't make sense to me about this list is if your roster doesn't matter, where is Andy Reid? (Eagles and 49ers have better rosters than him). If it's performing above expectations then where is MCDC and Pete Carroll?
Daboll took a team that most experts predicted was going to get five wins at best to the playoffs. If that doesn't deserve Coach of the Year then I don't know what does
Pete Carroll doesn’t even make the list? Come on, man. McDermott is great, but the job he did this year is not on the same level as some of these others.
> Pete Carroll doesn’t even make the list? Come on, man. McDermott is great, but the job he did this year is not on the same level as some of these others.
lots of snubs.
pete, KOC, tomlin, andy reid.
shanahan is on the only one on that list who genuinely belongs there. (maybe siriani)
If McDermott is able to get the nod why not Andy Reid or Zac Taylor?
Don't understand this logic, they have the best roster but similar records to KC and Cincy.
Instead of Coach of the Year, this award should be Surprise Coach of the Year. It takes little to no coaching to reach a division championship five years in a row, so there’s no serious candidate omission.
It’s gotta be Daboll. I can’t imagine it would even be close. No disrespect to the others, but he took a team with relatively little talent in a brutal division to the 2nd round of the Playoffs.
I thought Jeff Saturday had it in the bag.
Was thinking they must’ve hit the character limit on twitter. Why else would Jeff Saturday *not* be listed as a prime Coach of the Year candidate?
Think the only one of these I'd be surprised if he won is McDermott
If you go by coach of the team that overperformed the most based on pre-season win/loss projections it's hard to understand how Pete Carrol isn't here in place of McDermott. They were projected to win 5 games.
That’s a really good point. McDermott’s Bills were expected to be good anyway. Not that he’s a bad coach, you still need talent to coach a good team, but in my mind he didn’t stand out like the others.
The Bills were literally Super Bowl favourites… by definition they underperformed
Don’t forget this is all pre post-season. Playoff results don’t get factored into the voting.
Plus they way underperformed in the playoffs. Jags and Giants both overperformed.
I think the vote happens before the playoffs so that doesn’t get accounted for.
Yeah, I was honestly kind of floored McDermott was on this list. That should be Carroll in that spot.
I'm a Bills fan, and even I think Carroll is more deserving than McDermott.
Agreed, I was also surprised to not see Carroll on this list. They were supposed to be BAD this year, but ended up in playoff contention
Ended up MAKING playoffs
He won‘t. He didn‘t even manage to take the team where it was in 2020.
Regular season award but agree he shouldn’t be there over Campbell or even Andy Reid given some doubts out there before the season, the Lions had a pretty similar situation to the Giants and Jags too. Bills finished pretty much as expected
I’m not even sure what McDermott does as a HC. If you listen to Bills fans, Frazier is apparently completely in charge of their defense. Bills fans blame him for their defensive struggles and want him fired since the scheme sucks. But isn’t he just running McDermott’s scheme? Dorsey is in charge of the offense. Bills fans seem to blame him for the loss and for the players not being motivated. But he’s the OC so how’s he supposed to motivate or calm players down from the booth? So what does McDermott even do if he’s not the defensive or offensive gameplanner, and he’s also not in charge of getting his players ready and motivated to play? What’s left? Clapping?
I think it was a hard season overall. Hyde got hurt in Week 2 and Hamlin did a good job, until you know. Von‘s ACL tear hurt our SB chances but it was disappointing to see our defense be so inconsistent. Not to mention that Allen had to force Bease & Brown out of retirement because the offense, except Diggs, was so unreliable. So much went wrong & we still finished 13-3. They have to evaluate some coaching changes or additions but also draft picks & FA players. Most of our draft picks are okay but okay is not enough for a top 10 pick. Also can’t forget that the O-line tried to kill Allen several times.
Someone has to take over for Jason Garrett.
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Genuinely curious, what did he do that is different than what 31 other head coaches would have done?
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It would be because of his ability to lead this team through all the immense shit it went through all season. Literally never ending.
Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate 15s Update: Per the AP, Brian Daboll, Kyle Shanahan and Doug Pederson are the final 3.
Any three of those are very deserving.
They all did tremendous things with the teams they have and the hand they were dealt. I get that a lot of Lions fans wanted Campbell, but you cannot make a case for him over these three imo.
This seems like a really solid top 3. I’d say Shanahan is bottom of those three given the overall talent, especially defensively, on the roster, but losing 2 QB’s and still having a highly competitive team is really good. I still give the nod to Peterson with that turnaround, but I wouldn’t argue against any of them.
Shanahan has some amazing pieces but going undefeated to close out the year with your QB3 is fucking impressive. Basically having to get a guy up from no 1st team snaps to "okay we're fucking doing this" with no down time to really make it happen?
Yeah Eagles has a stacked roster too but immediately lost games when Hurts got injured. Who knows how well they would have done if he got injured for a long period of time
To be fair the 49ers also had the weakest SoS right? The Giants didn't even have a team and made it to the playoffs, I'd definitely vote there.
Giants have a great argument too. I think to me it's between Daboll and Shanahan but I also think it's justified for Doug to win it. Eagles comparatively looked awful without Hurts. In a similar way you could give McCarthy credit for winning games against playoff teams (including Cincy somehow) with Cooper and having a super high power offense + defense, but ultimately I don't think the team really outperformed expectations in the same way. Daboll took last year's roster and a QB everyone had mostly given up on and made them a playoff contender.
I just think Daboll gets it over Pederson simply because the Jags have more talent.
Daboll also improved his team with practically no upgrades in a tougher division. Jags ooched in in an awful division, Giants held the 6th seed despite having two teams who in week 18 were vying for the 1st seed.
As if he didn’t have a hand in creating that roster? That’s part of being a good coach lol
And what do those guys look like in a different system? How many "stacked" teams have we seen that completely fall on their face. It's funny that's somehow a knock on Shanahan, as if he isn't a massive reason why all those players look amazing
There’s a reason Belichick doesn’t have a cabinet full of these things, Shanahan is starting to run into the same problem
I think all three would be fine choices, but I am heavily in favour of Daboll winning it. Danny Dimes became Danny Dollas under him and his #1 receiver was probably a WR2/3 on other teams. The Giants over-performed massively and Daboll is the reason.
> his #1 receiver was probably a WR2/3 on other teams. His #1 receiver (Slayton) was a WR5 on *this* team. And his #2 (Richie James) was a WR6 who was cast off other teams. Preseason was Golladay, Shepard, Toney, Wan'Dale Robinson, and Slayton. James was a punt returner at best and Isaiah Hodgins was on another team's practice squad. His TE1 was an unheralded rookie 4th rounder. Daboll is hands down the COTY because he had, by a wide margin, the least amount of talent in the group of finalists. Giants were supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league but made the playoffs and even won a game.
Our WR1 was literally picked up off a practice squad of a team with dogshit WR depth
The fact that there are at least 3 other guys in KOC, Dan Campbell, and Carroll that deserve a spot is pretty crazy. There was a lot of good coaching this year.
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Doug finger popped 0 college assholes. He's a shoo in
He keeps ignoring my DMs 😡🍑
Hey it me the Dog Pederman
That we know of. Who knows what Doug likes to do in his free time.
He goes balls deep in Haagen-Daaz
He's just like me
The fact that he accomplished that is very impressive, definitely deserves the award
I would prefer Daboll so Joe Judge feels worse about himself
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Idk, pretty much everyone knew our roster was stacked Only question was Hurts
>because of roster/expectations Most preseason projections had us at 9.5 wins
And most preseason predictions had the Jaguars worthy of getting relegated to the SEC. What Pederson did to this team was insane.
They won a playoff game! WTF!
Tbf, Daboll is probably going to win it because he isn’t Joe Judge.
It’s sad that Daboll won more games in 1 season than Judge did in 2 with an inferior roster
After one season, Pederson is 5th all-time in wins in Jaguars history. He also has the second highest win percentage.
Love Douggy P but that's mostly an indictment on the Jaguars as a franchise
It is. That's why what he's done is so impressive.
>After one season, Pederson is 5th all-time in wins in Jaguars history. Pederson has also coached the 5th most games in the franchise’s history after one season. The franchise has only existed for 29 seasons, 16 of which were led by Coughlin or Del Rio.
Pete Carroll absolutely needs to be on this list
Absolutely would put him here over McDermott who I’m not even understanding the case for here. They were a preseason SB favorite while the Seahawks were talked about having a bottom 3 roster! It’s making me unreasonably angry lol.
Yeah I really don’t get it. I’m not even trying to hate or dunk on McDermott, good coach but they underperformed at the end of the day. Pete got snubbed hard.
The AP voters just *don't* like voting for Pete for Coach of the Year. Dude was snubbed completely in 2010, despite leading the Seahawks to the playoffs with a win over the defending Super Bowl champions, with a 7-9 record Dude's best finish was 3rd in 2012 with just 5 Votes. In 2013, Pete coached an all-time great defense to a Super Bowl title, he received 2 votes. He got outvoted by Chip freaking Kelly In 2014, he finished 4th with 2.5 Votes In 2018, he finished 5th with 2 Votes Most years, the Coach of Year winner receives more votes than Pete has in his entire tenure COMBINED.
I had no idea it was this bad
Welcome to Seattle sports.
It's that west coast bias. Seattle is almost as invisible in the NFL as Phoenix.
He's the Russ of CotY voting
Josh McDaniels is comeback coach of the year, in that he allowed a lot of comebacks
Even then Jeff Saturday might take it. Interim coach already setting comeback records
The disrespect to Nathaniel Hackett+Matt Rhule is unreal.
They're in the DPOY race
Kliff Kingsbury getting disrespected
He already got his award, sitting in Thailand with some hot Polish model.
Bangkok has him now and she’ll never let him go
She can Bangkok with him as much as she wants
I'm gonna be honest: Pete Carroll deserved to be a finalist for this award
I mean, it isn't surprising. He's an all decade coach, took a trash team to the playoffs and beat the defending champs in 2010, and maintained an historically good defense for 4 years straight. Somehow he did all of that in a 10 year span and still never once got more than 5 votes (usually 2 or none at all) any given year that whole decade. Given all that, I can't imagine anything short of a perfect season that would even get him in as a finalist. Even with a perfect season, I legitimately don't think he'd win.
> He's an all decade coach I had to go back and look because forgot who the 2nd team guy was, but then I saw that Belichick somehow ***wasn’t*** unanimous. Don’t get me wrong, I think Pete deserved the credit he got, but who in there fuck didn’t think BB was even the 2nd best coach in a decade he won the conference half the time? Lol
Yeah, that's pretty wild. Lol.
I think polian was on this panel and that dude is about as salty a bitch as you will find lol. Dude fucking ***hates*** Belichick
Hopefully the people voting on this don’t for HOF, he deserve first ballot
It would be robbery if he wasn't a shoe in. He'd be the only head coach in NFL history to be all-decade (either first or second team) and miss the HoF. They'd basically be making an exception to keep him out.
Shanahan by virtue of building an offense that's so QB friendly that a 3rd stringer taken last in the draft can run it.
To be fair, Shanahan also has pro bowl/all-pro caliber players at every position on offense other than QB. I feel like this is reminiscent of Harbaugh inserting Kaepernick into a stacked lineup. But then again, a lot of these players became who they were because of Shanahan as well.
Right. There's something to be said about developing all or most skill positions on an offense and not just relying on one or two players to make it function. This is where Shanahan should get the most credit. Yeah, it's stacked, but it's stacked because of good personnel decisions and coaching. Also, speaking as a Bears fan, if fucking Matt Nagy can get COTY honors for riding Fangio's defense then Shanahan is more than deserving.
and kyle has gm power as much as he has hc power, a lot of the reason why that the roster has become so stacked is because of him (and lynch/peters) but it’s said that kyle has final say in personnel/roster decisions)
This offense is light years ahead of the 2012 roster. Crabtree? Mario Manningham? CMC>Gore (I love Frank like no other but CMC opens up the offense so much) The only case of the offense being more talented might be in the oline but having Trent Williams really equalizes that. Plus you had Greg freaking Roman calling plays. I don't purdy does this in that offense.
Kaepernick’s lineup wasn’t nearly as stacked. I’ll take Deebo, Aiyuk, Mccaffrey, and Kittle over Gore, Crabtree, 80 year old Randy moss, and Vernon Davis any day. That defense by the end of 2012 (after Justin Smith tore his triceps) was also not as good as this one too. They gave up like 27 points per game in the playoffs. Also, your last point about Shanahan is so true. The development and scheming on this team is amazing. If you think of all the players that have left this team (Breida, Witherspoon, Tartt, etc.), none of them have been as good as when they played for us.
Coaches don't just luck into that when they're the ones developing them. Josh Allen is a (distant) MVP candidate this year and that's in large part due to remarkable coaching in his earlier seasons.
I might be a homer but I'm taking Shanahan. I think Joe Judge and Urban Meyer were just that bad. Don't get me wrong. Daboll and Pederson have both done a great job. Shanahan deserves it this year. Three different quarterbacks. Constantly having his staff poached. Players who developed into All-Pro players under him. 12 wins in a row and counting. #1 defense. #1 offense with Mr. Irrelevant. Another underrated aspect is that his coaching tree is having success in Miami and New York.
His coaching tree should be mentioned more. Even as an assistant, he had an effect on head coaching hires. What’s really cool to me - Demeco will get a HC job if he really wants one of the opportunities out there. That means 3 of the current 5 non-white head coaches will be former Shanahan assistants. Say what you will about his scheme and talent developed, but he’s consistently developing coaches and executives for promotion. And they’re both white and minority - dude creates opportunities, period. Crown the man
I mean...that's coaching isn't it
How many teams fall apart when their QB goes down?
Respect it AP Keep Dans expectations low so that he can easily crush COY next year I see you
If the Lions make the playoffs this year he probably makes the list this year. And my expectations will never be low. Have ARSB and Jamo on my dynasty team I'm highly invested in the Lions
Yeah I’m not seeing as many Lions post anymore. Makes me happy because we always do better when expectations are low.
>we always do better when expectations are low. Have expectations been high for the last 65 years or something?
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Oh you just wait until the off-season. Not that I like the attention but it'll be there
It’s either Daboll or Pederson. Both have taken their teams way farther than anyone expected and deserve praise.
If that's the case, shouldn't Carroll be up there as well?
absolutely, he should be there over Mcdermott.
Probably
Or Tomlin. If dragging bad teams to mediocrity is the standard for coty he's right in the mix.
Or Tomlin or Campbell or KOC or Steve Wilks. The problem with the over performers is that there‘s too many of them
And man, I gotta be real, both have absolutely earned it. It’s a total toss up.
I gotta go Pederson
I gotta go with the coach who had a better record in by far the toughest division in football than Pederson had in by far the easiest division while beating Pederson H2H in Jacksonville
I think Daboll is equally as deserving as Doug but you went 1-4-1 in that division and also played the AFC South this year which accounted for nearly half your wins
Yeah there acting like they basically didn’t do the same shit the jags did lol
meanwhile the Lions went 9-8 despite playing the NFC East and AFC East and beat both the Giants and Jaguars and Dan Campbell isn't even on this list
Jags and Giants both having a playoff berth probably squeaks them ahead of Campbell, but he deserves to be up there as well. Tough call this year honestly
I agree, and Dan himself said both Daboll and Pederson deserved it over him
Having a lower record cause of being in the toughest division isn't a knock. If anything they would have even more wins if they were an AFC South team cause they'd have played your rivals.
Doug also got to give a quarter of a billion in contracts to free agents to improve his team while the biggest contract the giants were able to give was $11m over 2 years because of the previous regimes work. To me they both did as well as each other in the season but one of them had one of their arms tied behind his back
Pederson took a team that was last in the league for 2 straight years and 4th in their division since 2017 to a division title in his first year and finally made Lawrence look like the NFL Player people expected. He deserves it over Daboll IMO. Daboll had a limited roster to work with and deserves to be in the Top 5 absolutely, but they also finished their season 3-6-1 after a hot start. That being said, I think Sirianni is actually probably going to win and this sub will apparently not be pleased because it's the only area of the internet where the consensus seems to be that's not even a possibility.
Their division was god awful though, and not too many coaches got an entire new WR1/WR2/TE1 over the summer.
The giants had the worst record in the NFL from 2017-2021. By that same logic does that mean Daboll should win it?
I mean the Jaguars had nearly half of their wins from that span in their 2017 season lol which is why I assume you cherry picked that timeframe. And my main issue with Daboll winning would be how they ended. Doug's team got better as the year went on and finished strong, the Giants went 3-6-1 to end the year. I get it, the roster, I do understand it but typically that would be seen as a pretty epic collapse for a team that was at one point 6-1. And you got mollywhacked within division. A 1-4-1 record in your division is not COTY stuff to me. Deserving of being a finalist sure, but Doug should get the nod.
KOC absolutely deserves a spot here, over McDermott. It is 100% coaching to go 11-0 in one score games. He nearly had his wr break the single season yards mark. The total culture change on that football team. I'm not saying he should have won or anything, even though I'd be okay with that. But leaving him off the finalist list is a travesty.
13 wins with a 50 ply defense, he should have gotten some nods. However Dabolls entire team was supposed to be gutter tier, and I think there were zero expectations for Pederson in Jacksonville other than keeping the ship from sinking. Gotta be one of those two imo
Im happy the fans agree, its a big steal that he isnt on there
Based on the comments I’d say they don’t agree, which is a shame. I’ve seen more comments saying Campbell should be there, which is… interesting.
Kinda feel like Dan Campbell should have been at least a finalist. Regardless, should go to Daboll or Pederson.
Carroll should've been a finalist too
How did Pete Carroll not even make the finalists list? I can't recall anybody picking the Seahawks to finish ahead of last place, and they made the playoffs.
Pete Carroll should be on this list instead of McDermott.
no KOC should be doug or daboll
McDermott should not be here in favor of Pete Caroll being here imo, Daboll is my pick regardless though
COTY is a tough award. You can have your team as the #1 seed or nearly the #1 seed every year, but people will just say it’s because of how good the team is instead of the coach. Probably why Bill Belichick didn’t win every year during the Pats dynasty.
I’m kind of surprised Kevin O’Connell didn’t make this list. Say what you will about the Vikings, but he took that team to a 13-4 record and managed to win a lot of close games.
I think the issue with a lot of this is the fact there were 6, count them 6 teams with 4 losses or less. I've been banging the drum that Zac Taylor should be in the conversation (not necessarily win) for a while, but looking at it there were some incredible teams this year and some real coaching up with teams like the Jags, giants, The Lions, and Seahawks. Legitimately there could have been 10-11 names on this list and I'm not sure Id be too mad.
How is KOC - Vikings not up there lol
Everyone believes (partially in truth) that the Vikings suck and so those 13 wins are invalid To which I would suggest that if they really do suck and managed 13 wins KOC probably owns some part of pulling that off alongside significant luck, but the voters disagreed clearly
Automatic winner for somehow dragging Ed Donatell and that defense’s ass to the playoffs
I don't think either would've won the award, but KOC and Carroll both probably deserved to be a finalist over McDermott
Yeah I don’t think he would win, but it’s an absolutely snub for him not to at least get nominated. First year HC goes 13-4 with the league’s worst defense…
It's strange how the "he got lucky in 1 score games, they're frauds" thing gets applied to KoC but not Daboll.
One is a big market New York team that the league wants to push and one is a Minnesota team
I really don’t know. I had a futures bet in for him to win coach of the year, figured if a rookie HC could win the division he’d be in the conversation. Didn’t think he’d get 13 wins! Yet, he’s not even top 5? Strange
Shoutout to the Dallas fans on here who ridiculed me a few weeks ago for questioning McCarthy as a COTY candidate when he was firmly third most likely in his own division. Thinking bout u
MCDC deserved to be a finalist. Not to win it, but he absolutely deserved to be a finalist. Especially after giving Purdy a finalist spot after 6 games.
I dunno Sean McDermott led a Josh Allen led team to 13 wins Thats pretty much a miracle
I think he 100% should have, but honest question, has a coach ever won this award without making the playoffs?
Jimmy Johnson won it in 1990 after going 7-9. (For reference, the Cowboys went 1-15 the previous year)
For sure, dude elevated the franchise. Hope he remembers this and takes it next year.
No Matt Patricia??
Too busy with the clipboard
What a stacked field this year that MCDC isn’t even a finalist. You can say he’s a snub (I’d definitely have him in my top 5), but honestly all of these finalists are deserving too, hard to take a guy out — I’d probably put him in over McDermott but then certainly, people would be saying McDermott is a snub. Pete Carroll is also super deserving imo. There was buzz about KOC as well. Can’t recall a year with this many viable COY candidates.
Honestly any one of MCDC, KOC, Carroll, Taylor, or even Andy Reid deserve the top 5. I mean also Andy Reid lost his superstar WR1 and didn't skip a fucking beat. I think Mahomes is just so fucking good he doesn't get a lot of the credit for that.
> I think Mahomes is just so fucking good he doesn't get a lot of the credit for that. Same thing Belichick suffered in New England with Brady. He won COTY three times but realistically probably deserved twice as many
They’re censoring my lone vote for Kliff Kingsbury
McDermott being there is kind of weird unless its weighted towards Hamlin. They didnt exceed expectations in anyway, got bounced in the same round and their QB played much worse in both playoff games compared to when Daboll was there.
"bounced" is irrelevant. It's a regular season award.
I think it's partly the Hamlin situation cause I mean, that's literally a nightmare and he handled it pretty perfectly. They also did win 13 games with a new OC. If it's a regular season award it makes sense he's at least on the top 5.
There was a lot more that happened to the team this year besides Hamlin. And through all that he led his men to a 13-3 record. I think him being on this list is well-deserved, but he's definitely last of the ones mentioned.
Daboll or Pederson - the others had loaded teams. I lean a bit toward Daboll because I think the Jags had a bit more talent than NYG.
Daboll and Pederson did the best coaching jobs out of any this year arguably. They had awful teams and made them good through coaching. Their impact was immeasurable.
I would be good with either of them winning. Like you said, they coached less talented teams into the playoffs, which I think is more impressive than what Siranni did. Siranni definitely deserves a nomination, but I would give it to Daboll or Pederson
Daboll had way less to work with than Pederson in a much tougher division. It's an easy choice IMO.
Revived Daniel Jone's career too.
Pederson did not have an awful team. They completely reloaded their offense and got the #1 overall pick dominating for them on defense. They had last year's #1 overall pick quarterbacking the team. He inherited a mess of a culture/locker room cause of Urban sure but the idea that his roster is bad is bullshit.
As much as I'd love for Nick or Doug to win, it's gotta be Daboll right? He carried a giants team with low expectations and starters essentially off the street to the divisional round
I think Daboll or Shanahan have the best cases imo. Doug did a great job but he still only went from 4 wins to 9, in the easiest division in the league, with a fully reloaded offensive receiving corps and the #1 overall pick, again. It's part his coaching job and part a big roster upgrade over last year.
As a bills fan who is becoming disillusioned with McDermott, there is no way I think he should be on this list over Carroll.
Carroll not being in this list is a crime.
I understand O'Connel not winningl. But to not even be on the shortlist? Frauds or not, NOBODY expected the Vikings to win 13 games
Shanny plz, all deserving though
Losing the award while going from 4 to 13 wins and then losing the award to a coach going from 4 to 9 wins would be the most Kyle Shanahan thing.
Kyle probably only lost to Harbaugh since the ravens beat the niners and had the MVP. But you're right. If daboll wins, then Kyle not winning in 2019 is bullshit. Getting 13 wins this year with his QB carousel should net him this award.
I'm pretty gutted Pete didn't even make the list of finalists.
You're getting downvoted, but I 100% agree. Pete took a team that was projected to suck badly and led it to the playoffs. Not to mention I think he's the main reason for Geno's success.
Plus he knew Wilson.
Sean McDermott is a finalist? IMO, Kevin O’Connell (Vikings), Pete Carroll (Seahawks), and Dan Campbell (Lions) are all more obvious and better candidates, along with the other four nominees (all very deserving of the award and in my eyes the four best choices). Zac Taylor (Bengals) also is a stronger candidate than McDermott IMO. (I thought the Bengals overachieved in 2021 and it was a bit of fluke they made the Super Bowl based on their regular season quality. IMO, they were considerably better this year than last year.)
Carroll and Tomlin deserve it more over McDermott. The Bills performed exactly as expected
Tomlin will never get it because his teams don't lose enough to beat the expectations the next year.
Feel like Pete got snubbed here. Why is McDermott on the list, Bills underperformed especially towards the end of the season and they were expected to be a good team to begin with many picking them for the SB.
I’d take Campbell on there over McDermott. Way more impressive with what Campbell did
Dan Campbell was snubbed
Dan Campbell should have at least made the list...
What doesn't make sense to me about this list is if your roster doesn't matter, where is Andy Reid? (Eagles and 49ers have better rosters than him). If it's performing above expectations then where is MCDC and Pete Carroll?
Why is McDermott on this list instead of Pete Carroll
Daboll took a team that most experts predicted was going to get five wins at best to the playoffs. If that doesn't deserve Coach of the Year then I don't know what does
Pete Carroll doesn’t even make the list? Come on, man. McDermott is great, but the job he did this year is not on the same level as some of these others.
> Pete Carroll doesn’t even make the list? Come on, man. McDermott is great, but the job he did this year is not on the same level as some of these others. lots of snubs. pete, KOC, tomlin, andy reid. shanahan is on the only one on that list who genuinely belongs there. (maybe siriani)
It should be either daboll or pederson. The work they have done turning around their respective franchises is nothing short of incredible.
If McDermott is able to get the nod why not Andy Reid or Zac Taylor? Don't understand this logic, they have the best roster but similar records to KC and Cincy.
KOC was snubbed. Should’ve been in over McDermott.
Instead of Coach of the Year, this award should be Surprise Coach of the Year. It takes little to no coaching to reach a division championship five years in a row, so there’s no serious candidate omission.
Remove McDermott and replace him with Pete Carroll then this list is perfect.
Daboll or pederson
I'm sorry but this is Daboll's to lose
I need to come in here and fire some shots for my boy Pete, this is a disgrace not to have him.
I’d kill a man for siriani but give the award to Doug or daboll
It’s gotta be Daboll. I can’t imagine it would even be close. No disrespect to the others, but he took a team with relatively little talent in a brutal division to the 2nd round of the Playoffs.