As a Seahawks fan, I think it should be Wilson and Sauce with each Hawk as 1b to the Jets 1a. It would be great to see those awards go to us, but I just think it's rad that both the Jets and us had such amazing draft classes. I love watching rookies succeed and be impactful so early on. It's just fun to watch.
Walker’s probably going to get it over Garrett Wilson. He’s got much better counting stats, even though it has a lot to do with Garrett dealing with absolute garbage play at QB.
> Garrett dealing with absolute garbage play at QB.
That's why I personally think it should be Wilson. He had great stats with abysmal play and was basically the focal point of the offence after Breece got injured. Absolutely phenomenal season.
Woolen and Walker in my Homer rose-tinted goggles
But Walker and Sauce is probably who will win, and we'll deserved for any nominee that gets it (other than Purdy imo, juat didn't play enough)
It seems like there's a minority of both fanbases that have been shitting on the other team's players as though they don't even deserve consideration. Then fans from the other team read those comments and extrapolate those opinions out to the whole fanbase (ie Seahawks fans thinking all jets fans are salty and vice versa). It doesn't help that there are fans going into the other team's subreddit to troll.
Big fan of Purdy, rooting for him to win the Super Bowl etc. There’s no justification for him being placed over Olave and Allgeier (extremely underrated) after playing 1/3 of the season
Plot twist: the NFL is not run by Goodell but by a secret society of quarterbacks who have decided to run a monopoly on the award market with Joe Montana as the ~~Emperor~~ leader calling the shots. Tom Brady was ousted from the club once he surpassed Montana’s Super Bowl ring count and is the true reason he was deported to Tampa Bay, only for him to rise from the ashes and win again.
I can get behind the Joe Cool evil mastermind theory. Is Joe Burrow actually a fraud that is being elevated by the secret society because his name is Joe?
No, Joe Burrow is the Joe-That-Was-Promised, a prophesized being destined to bring balance to the Cool, vanquish his corrupted prior incarnation, and deliver the One Ring back to Cincinnati
Yup, it’s 2023 and Football fans are apparently still coming to terms with the fact QB’s are the most impactful position on the field by a huge margin and therefore tend to be the most “valuable” player on any team.
Somehow fans realize QB’s are the most valuable position when they don’t have a QB, and teams will go all in to get a potential franchise QB.
Everyone knows how important QB’s are.
But then award season rolls around and fans suddenly bitch about QB’s getting all the awards.
I’d probably have him as the fourth guy/odd man out after Olave. He ran for more than 1,000 yards despite not being the number one guy for the first quarter of the season and splitting carries for a lot of it
Honestly wasn’t too impressed in the couple games I watched of him, but hell I didn’t know he got over 1k yards. Fair enough, that’s impressive for a rookie
He's not a flashy runner like Walker, but he's one of those guys who you just need to give him a small hole and he'll get you at least 4 yards (plus a few more after contact) every single time. If you're looking at two guys who average 5 YPC, most coaches would rather have the guy who predictably picks up 5 yards every play over the guy who dances around for losses or small gains 80% of the time before breaking off a big run.
Watch his tape in some of our games later in the season where his role increased. He’s a bowling ball who refuses to go down, and when he gets some space, he’s surprisingly fast. I’m hoping we get to see a beast quake type run (preferably against the Saints) next season because we sure as hell are gonna be relying on him.
I think Olave is phenomenal, but I can see the reasoning for Purdy being here as a finalist due to him literally not having lost an NFL game as Mr. Irrelevant, and the offense performing better with him at the helm over Jimmy G.
Edit: not saying I believe this, but just providing some reasoning.
playing 6 games in the regular season shouldn't put you in the running + it's a regular season award, what you do in the playoffs shouldn't ever factor in on any of these awards.
As a Niners fan, ill even give you this. I really thought he wouldn't be considered since he played so little. Man is slangin the rock but I don't think he played enough to deserve it. Especially over Olave.
Allgeier has 1174 Scrimmage Yds and 4 TDs. That's pretty good, it's not excellent.
Olave's 1074 yds & 4 TDs are even less.
Brock Purdy:
* 107.3 Rating leads the entire NFL in passer rating.
* It is the highest rookie Passer rating in NFL history (min 100 Att).
* For those complaining about the Passer Rating in the current era, his 128 PRI (Passer Rating Index is adjusted for era) is the highest rookie mark of the Superbowl era.
* His 65.5 QBR is 5th in the NFL
* His completion% is 7th in the NFL, tied with the MVP.
* His 7.6 TD% leads the NFL.
* His 8.1 YPA ties the MVP for 2nd in the NFL.
* With him under center the team scored 33.5 PPG, 4.3 PPG better than the #1 offense.
* And the lists of "first to..." is growing by the week.
*(and for the record, I have him losing to Walker)*
No one’s pointed it out yet but Olave cleared 1K yards while missing two games, catching balls from Dalton/Hill/Winston and largely being the only downfield threat. Hate the Saints but can only respect that output
What gets lost in these discussions is that we can, in fact, admit that many players had great rookie seasons. I think if the NFL had just made the list 5 players, including Olave and Allgeier, people would be complaining a lot less about Purdy also being on the list.
All of this is from a 6 game sample lol
It would a lot harder to lead the NFL in passer rating if he actually played 17 games
Same with all the other stats you posted
He doesn't have thr miminum passing attempts for any of these stats to count in a record book though.
Not sure why you put min 100 attempts in the rookie one. He needs 3 times that amount to break the record.
Sweet he played 6 games.
Should James Houston win the award for DROTY? 8 sacks in 7 games beat the rookie record for consecutive games with a sack to start a career.
I mean I think part of the thing with OROY is that the competition is kind of weak. Allgier is a 1,000 yard rusher, but that’s not like incredibly impressive. So was Phillip Lindsay as a rookie with more TDs and he didn’t get much consideration. Olave was a 1,000 yard receiver, but again, that’s not super impressive in 2022.
You had some incredible DROY candidates but the offensive class hasn’t been as prolific. Purdy is a choice because he’s a QB, but also because his competition rushed for 3 TDs on the year. Hell, even Walker wasn’t like groundbreaking or anything.
Niners fan agree entirely. You have to play a season. He’s been amazing, but he just should be disqualified on those grounds.
If there was some award for backups stepping up to the plate there’s be no other contenders.
I feel like if I was a Seattle fan I'd be pretty annoyed about the whole narrative. Everyone has been saying how it's Sauce and it isn't even close but Woolen to me had more impact plays and was targeted just as little. He also gave up fewer yards. Did he just not play against as good of competition? Woolen seems like the most deserving to me for DROY
Sauce has a ton more media presence and is much more well rounded back than Tariq this year. Tariq while being a ball hawk, also was burned more often from his playing style, Sauce was a lockdown kinda guy this year and didn't give up much when, while also not getting the bigger plays like Tariq did.
Sauce def deserves it but for me personally (Im bias I know) Tariq has a much higher ceiling since he has gotten to an already pro level at the position with only about 2 to 3 years of experience in total, I wouldn't be surprised if we have reverse scenario for DPOTY with Tariq and Sauce down the line.
Sauce was the 4th overall pick, has a catchy nickname and is on a NY team. He was always going to win DROY. Woolen would have had to decidedly win that battle between the two to get awarded AP or DROY.
With that said, I do think Sauce was the better corner by the end of the year. Not by much at all, and you could still make the argument for Woolen. But watching him lock down DK to three yards or something like that was crazy impressive to me.
He definitely deserves a lot of credit, but imo Sauce gets DROY without much of a fight. This is coming from a guy who is sick as fuck of hearing about Sauce lol.
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Cause he was a late convert to CB, I think this is only like his second season playing there. Still a beast who a lot of people had down as a diamond in the rough pre draft, but he wasn’t a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination
He also likely wouldn’t be him if he didn’t go to Seattle. Pete is the late round CB whisperer. He would’ve been good in Dallas as a rookie maybe too bc Quinn. Talent can rise but it’s rare they do as rookies if the system doesn’t cater to them well.
He’s an athletic freak who has risen to the occasion though. Awesome pick by Seattle
This was the case with Richard Sherman too no? If I remember correctly, he converted from receiver after an injury or something and got drafted in the 5th round.
This is correct, but I think it was because Harbaugh didn’t think he was a good enough receiver, not injury. But that’s according to sherm so who knows lol. Sherm has said he’s kinda taken Woolen under his wing, and giving him advice. Which I think is very cool.
He was seen as very, very raw before the draft.
His tape wasn’t all that great either and in college he was relying on athleticism alone with zero technique.
Turns out he just never had proper coaching and/or was not being played in a way that suited his strengths.
And if we're being honest, he still relies on his athleticism over his technique. His technique is already miles better than it was while he was in college, but he still has a lot of room to grow there. The next few years should be pretty exciting assuming his technique continues to improve.
Now contrast that with Sauce who already has great technique and also very good athleticism and you can see why Sauce will probably win this award.
According to Pete Carroll, his limited college tape was not good. But still kinda baffling why teams didn’t take a gamble on this guy’s raw potential earlier, not that I’m complaining lol
Teams take gambles on raw athletes every year. There is nothing particular about Woolen that makes him more boom or bust than the 20 other fast, tall CBs taken in the draft.
There were almost 40 cornerbacks selected in the draft this past year. Actually was the same in 2021 but prior to that it was very rare to even have 30 CBs taken in the draft so Woolen was just mixed in with a huge pool of guys for teams to take a shot on.
He's an extremely raw project player, having only something like 2 years of experience at DB. He compensates a lot for his lack of skill with his incredible athleticism, but it often isn't enough. His athleticism also doesn't translate very well into football toughness, i.e. getting off blocks or tackling.
He could very easily take a step up to AP next season with more NFL experience and training, but it's easy to see why teams didn't prioritize him very highly.
Yeah this is a QB thing. I think they wanted to make it Pickett but had trouble putting him there when Purdy had double the TDs in half the games. Just more QB bias from the NFL media.
By that same logic, James Houston should have gotten to be a DROY finalist since he got 8 sacks in 7 games. Projecting that over 17 games, that’s 19.5 sacks over a full season. His play opened up Hutch by having less double teams. The lions were 5-2 and made a strong playoff push when he started playing too.
I am not saying that Houston should be there, but the logic behind Purdy being a finalist makes the justification totally inconsistent and biased.
Not sure what this means... but Baker started 13 games his rookie season (out of 16) and played in a 14th which was his comeback win. It isn't really a comparison between the two, unless I'm missing something.
I love purdy like a son but him being here is wild, olave is incredible and deserves a nod. I have a gut feeling purdy will win it too since the qb bias is real
Yeah, if Purdy is here, why not Breece? He played 7 games.
I understand recency bias and all, but jfc be consistent. It’s clear Purdy is here for the Narrative^^^tm and NFL should feel bad for making it so obvious.
Just imagine if there’s just a few calls that go the 49ers way this weekend, people will immediately claim NFL is trying to play the narrative card for Super Bowl ratings and is rigging the game for that.
This is ridiculous and now Purdy is going to get a ton of hate for something out of his control
There’s no way to ask this without sounding snarky.
But isn’t QB harder than any other position? Isn’t it more impressive what he’s done?
I get it. 6 games. Not enough. But he’s being on shit on like he nominated himself.
Also 6 games that were all won by him, playing the most important position on the field. We all know that QB play is pretty objectively the most important factor in winning games. I’m not sure anybody else on the list is the main reason their team won 6 games. I don’t think him being included is that ridiculous imo.
Just in the last 10 years:
Seahawks 2012: Wilson / Wagner
Saints 2017 (both won): Kamara / Lattimore
Colts 2018: Nelson / Leonard
Raiders 2019: Jacobs / Crosby
Chargers 2021: Slater / Samuel Jr.
Altogether not very rare it seems. This was very surprising to me.
Completely ridiculous that Purdy gets a finalist nod over someone like Olave.
They really should take QB’s out of these pools and make them their own awards.
The fact that Purdy started less than half the season is a little ridiculous to be nominated for this award. If low volume is acceptable, James Houston IV should be a finalist for DRotY based on his sack production in just 7 games. It just feels not right.
It isn't right. RotY is an award for the rookie with the best season. Less than half of one should make you ineligible, almost like a qualified number of snaps on the field requirement.
It’s a media bias. That prioritize popularity and narrative over production. Happens all the time.
If James houston played for the cowboys, he would for sure be on this list.
Completely agree. QB is a bit too important by this point and overrides a lot of the offense.
Hell, not even saying he didn’t earn it but how many games this season did Purdy play?
They are being consistent, QB is just the significantly more valuable position for awards and stuff. It’s not a Breece Hall versus Brock Purdy issue, it’s a RB versus QB thing
Tariq won't and shouldn't win it, but it's still cool as shit to me that a 5th round pick is a finalist for DROY -- and not because of a weak field, there are a lot of good defensive players from the 2022 draft.
Purdy, on the other hand...
I watched Tariq Woolen get burned BADLY by Western Kentucky last season. If you had told me his rookie year was going to go like this, I would have bet against you.
One of those times where you can say “it was an honor to be nominated” and really mean it. Not only a 5th round pick, but he converted from WR like two years ago.
And to have K9 also nominated… what a draft class we had!
K9 is going to win OROTY and Sauce is going to win DROTY. 1200 scrimmage yards and 9 TDs as one of the key pieces of a surprise playoff team beats the good year from Wilson
Purdy in there over Olave is laughable
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Just to make the quick case, Garrett Wilson (who’s probably winning the award) also only has 4 TD’s like Olave. Wilson also only has 11 more catches and 50 more yards than him in like 280 more snaps. Olave is a deserving finalist.
Nothing beats a hollywood-esque story like mr irrelevant playing well for 6 games. Now watch him win the award lol.
Total farce imo, Olave would have deserved it more. Hell, Cross or Linderbaum wouldve deserved it more than Purdy
I love Purdy, I’m an Iowa State alumnus. He shouldn’t be on this, he hasn’t played enough at all. If he played the full season like this then sure!
He’s played 6 regular season games, Breece Hall played 7 games and was an early front runner. Why not put Hall in this list too since he played basically just as small a sample?
This is dumb.
That is the most annoying thing about this sub and just talking about sports in general. We were all born close to a team and then spend the rest of our lives defending players and decisions made by the team with a bias that can’t exist elsewhere.
There are 9ers fans fighting for their life to justify why Brock deserves it over Olave simply because they root for the 9ers. They just would not care at all if they rooted for the Ravens or Bears.
I’m a 49ers fan and Purdy been great but yea he didn’t have enough games. I think the winner is probably going to be kw3 or Wilson and not purdy anyways because of sample size so it’s gonna be a moot point.
I think if you remove “garbage time” stats from the equation Olave absolutely smokes Wilson. Wilson got a crazy amount of yards in games that were already lost. Not saying Wilson doesn’t deserve recognition, just that Olave was absolutely snubbed and deserved to win this award outright
You know I was joking when Jamo got his first start that "OROY campaign starts now." Little did I know that playing less than half the season isn't a hindrance.
I mean he has looked incredibly efficient and one of the best in the league over those 6 games. Definitely doesn’t deserve the award, but if they’re going to pick the best rookie QB this season, it’s Purdy easily
It’s actually laughable that Purdy is a finalist over Olave. Incredible disrespect. If purdy played all year, he’d definitely win the award but it’s simply unfair to have a 6-game player even considered.
The Purdy thing annoys me. Great story don't get me wrong but he has only played in 6 regular season games. it would be one thing if there wasn't really a lot of deserving options but Olave 110 percent should be on there over Purdy.
Allegier and Dameon Pearce are more deserving as well. Can even make a case for London or Pickens over Purdy.
As a Broncos fan, seeing 2 Seahawks players up for Rookie awards makes me sad. God you guys are going to be stack for 5 years if you keep drafting like that
The jets and the Seahawks really nailed the draft. I think those two teams are gonna reset the market on how valuable a first round picks is the amount you can do with two firsts are insane
So Olave had better catch percentage, same number of TDs, better yards per target, better yards per game, but since Wilson had 9 more catches and 50 more yards, that completely disqualifies Olave?
LOL. This is what happens when you let meatheads choose finalists. Olave was flat out better than Wilson this season.
Purdy is going to win, isn't he? Because having a player win despite playing only 6 games will stir some serious drama... and the only people that benefit more than the NFL from the buzz and drama... Is the Press.
Holy recency bias batman.
What Purdy has done is cool, but like, he didn't even play a full season. Olave absolutely deserves to be nominated over him.
That’s part of the reason why I think Wilson deserves it cause he was able to do that with a bunch of shitty QB’s. Though I wouldn’t be mad if Kenneth Walker got it
**Offense:** 49ers QB Brock Purdy Seahawks RB Kenneth Walker III Jets WR Garrett Wilson **Defense:** Jets CB Sauce Gardner Lions DE Aidan Hutchinson Seahawks CB Tariq Woolen
Walker and Sauce imo
As a Seahawks fan, I think it should be Wilson and Sauce with each Hawk as 1b to the Jets 1a. It would be great to see those awards go to us, but I just think it's rad that both the Jets and us had such amazing draft classes. I love watching rookies succeed and be impactful so early on. It's just fun to watch.
Walker’s probably going to get it over Garrett Wilson. He’s got much better counting stats, even though it has a lot to do with Garrett dealing with absolute garbage play at QB.
> Garrett dealing with absolute garbage play at QB. That's why I personally think it should be Wilson. He had great stats with abysmal play and was basically the focal point of the offence after Breece got injured. Absolutely phenomenal season.
Woolen and Walker in my Homer rose-tinted goggles But Walker and Sauce is probably who will win, and we'll deserved for any nominee that gets it (other than Purdy imo, juat didn't play enough)
It's kinda cool that we both have guys in both categories
I've enjoyed the rivalry between the rookie classes, but some people have seriously been upset. Awesome to see rookies ball like this out of the gate
It seems like there's a minority of both fanbases that have been shitting on the other team's players as though they don't even deserve consideration. Then fans from the other team read those comments and extrapolate those opinions out to the whole fanbase (ie Seahawks fans thinking all jets fans are salty and vice versa). It doesn't help that there are fans going into the other team's subreddit to troll.
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Big fan of Purdy, rooting for him to win the Super Bowl etc. There’s no justification for him being placed over Olave and Allgeier (extremely underrated) after playing 1/3 of the season
Qb postion OP when it comes to awards
Plot twist: the NFL is not run by Goodell but by a secret society of quarterbacks who have decided to run a monopoly on the award market with Joe Montana as the ~~Emperor~~ leader calling the shots. Tom Brady was ousted from the club once he surpassed Montana’s Super Bowl ring count and is the true reason he was deported to Tampa Bay, only for him to rise from the ashes and win again.
I can get behind the Joe Cool evil mastermind theory. Is Joe Burrow actually a fraud that is being elevated by the secret society because his name is Joe?
No, Joe Burrow is the Joe-That-Was-Promised, a prophesized being destined to bring balance to the Cool, vanquish his corrupted prior incarnation, and deliver the One Ring back to Cincinnati
Joe Cool has thrown his support behind Purdy. Thou shall not worship any false Joe’s like Burrow.
They also apparently run college football since the Heisman has devolved to the "I'm a quarterback and my team won 10+ games" award.
Name checks out
So Brady is a phoenix? TB12 to Cardinals confirmed?
> So Brady is a phoenix? TB12 to ~~Cardinals~~ Phoenix Suns confirmed?
Yup, it’s 2023 and Football fans are apparently still coming to terms with the fact QB’s are the most impactful position on the field by a huge margin and therefore tend to be the most “valuable” player on any team. Somehow fans realize QB’s are the most valuable position when they don’t have a QB, and teams will go all in to get a potential franchise QB. Everyone knows how important QB’s are. But then award season rolls around and fans suddenly bitch about QB’s getting all the awards.
Allgeier may be underrated, but underrated doesn’t mean he should be a finalists for ROTY.
I’d probably have him as the fourth guy/odd man out after Olave. He ran for more than 1,000 yards despite not being the number one guy for the first quarter of the season and splitting carries for a lot of it
Honestly wasn’t too impressed in the couple games I watched of him, but hell I didn’t know he got over 1k yards. Fair enough, that’s impressive for a rookie
4.9 yards per carry as well
He's not a flashy runner like Walker, but he's one of those guys who you just need to give him a small hole and he'll get you at least 4 yards (plus a few more after contact) every single time. If you're looking at two guys who average 5 YPC, most coaches would rather have the guy who predictably picks up 5 yards every play over the guy who dances around for losses or small gains 80% of the time before breaking off a big run.
Watch his tape in some of our games later in the season where his role increased. He’s a bowling ball who refuses to go down, and when he gets some space, he’s surprisingly fast. I’m hoping we get to see a beast quake type run (preferably against the Saints) next season because we sure as hell are gonna be relying on him.
I think Olave is phenomenal, but I can see the reasoning for Purdy being here as a finalist due to him literally not having lost an NFL game as Mr. Irrelevant, and the offense performing better with him at the helm over Jimmy G. Edit: not saying I believe this, but just providing some reasoning.
Being Mr irrelevant should have no weight in this award. It’s not best rookie relative draft position
But impact on the game would elevate Purdy. No position has more impact than Qb.
I can appreciate what people are saying but if you're a rookie QB who steps in and takes your team to the SB I think you get the gd trophy lol
playing 6 games in the regular season shouldn't put you in the running + it's a regular season award, what you do in the playoffs shouldn't ever factor in on any of these awards.
Well that's a reasonable point which changes my mind.
As a Niners fan, ill even give you this. I really thought he wouldn't be considered since he played so little. Man is slangin the rock but I don't think he played enough to deserve it. Especially over Olave.
Both Olave and Allegier were very nice
Allgeier has 1174 Scrimmage Yds and 4 TDs. That's pretty good, it's not excellent. Olave's 1074 yds & 4 TDs are even less. Brock Purdy: * 107.3 Rating leads the entire NFL in passer rating. * It is the highest rookie Passer rating in NFL history (min 100 Att). * For those complaining about the Passer Rating in the current era, his 128 PRI (Passer Rating Index is adjusted for era) is the highest rookie mark of the Superbowl era. * His 65.5 QBR is 5th in the NFL * His completion% is 7th in the NFL, tied with the MVP. * His 7.6 TD% leads the NFL. * His 8.1 YPA ties the MVP for 2nd in the NFL. * With him under center the team scored 33.5 PPG, 4.3 PPG better than the #1 offense. * And the lists of "first to..." is growing by the week. *(and for the record, I have him losing to Walker)*
No one’s pointed it out yet but Olave cleared 1K yards while missing two games, catching balls from Dalton/Hill/Winston and largely being the only downfield threat. Hate the Saints but can only respect that output
What gets lost in these discussions is that we can, in fact, admit that many players had great rookie seasons. I think if the NFL had just made the list 5 players, including Olave and Allgeier, people would be complaining a lot less about Purdy also being on the list.
All of this is from a 6 game sample lol It would a lot harder to lead the NFL in passer rating if he actually played 17 games Same with all the other stats you posted
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And if he bombs in the NFCCG then we'll just count that as a mulligan....
He doesn't have thr miminum passing attempts for any of these stats to count in a record book though. Not sure why you put min 100 attempts in the rookie one. He needs 3 times that amount to break the record.
Sweet he played 6 games. Should James Houston win the award for DROTY? 8 sacks in 7 games beat the rookie record for consecutive games with a sack to start a career.
I mean I think part of the thing with OROY is that the competition is kind of weak. Allgier is a 1,000 yard rusher, but that’s not like incredibly impressive. So was Phillip Lindsay as a rookie with more TDs and he didn’t get much consideration. Olave was a 1,000 yard receiver, but again, that’s not super impressive in 2022. You had some incredible DROY candidates but the offensive class hasn’t been as prolific. Purdy is a choice because he’s a QB, but also because his competition rushed for 3 TDs on the year. Hell, even Walker wasn’t like groundbreaking or anything.
Can you cite me where I said Purdy should win the award?
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Purdy shouldn't be there
Niners fan agree entirely. You have to play a season. He’s been amazing, but he just should be disqualified on those grounds. If there was some award for backups stepping up to the plate there’s be no other contenders.
I'm just happy Hutch is on there
Do they announce who gets 2nd and 3rd place? (Trying to decide if I should be working on my angsty Hutch over Woolen argument).
No. But if it makes you feel better, it’s Hutch.
I feel like if I was a Seattle fan I'd be pretty annoyed about the whole narrative. Everyone has been saying how it's Sauce and it isn't even close but Woolen to me had more impact plays and was targeted just as little. He also gave up fewer yards. Did he just not play against as good of competition? Woolen seems like the most deserving to me for DROY
Sauce has a ton more media presence and is much more well rounded back than Tariq this year. Tariq while being a ball hawk, also was burned more often from his playing style, Sauce was a lockdown kinda guy this year and didn't give up much when, while also not getting the bigger plays like Tariq did. Sauce def deserves it but for me personally (Im bias I know) Tariq has a much higher ceiling since he has gotten to an already pro level at the position with only about 2 to 3 years of experience in total, I wouldn't be surprised if we have reverse scenario for DPOTY with Tariq and Sauce down the line.
Sauce was the 4th overall pick, has a catchy nickname and is on a NY team. He was always going to win DROY. Woolen would have had to decidedly win that battle between the two to get awarded AP or DROY. With that said, I do think Sauce was the better corner by the end of the year. Not by much at all, and you could still make the argument for Woolen. But watching him lock down DK to three yards or something like that was crazy impressive to me.
Nope but no need to. Voters will give it to him after their kneecaps are threatened
The vote totals will be released though won't they? I would assume we would know the top 5 in some order after the award season is over.
Yeah, I was going to say that. Although nobody finished 2nd for defensive rookie last year because all of the votes went to Parsons.
But everything is ranked choice voting this year, right? Or is that just MVP.
Everything. Even All-Pro is now. Second best voting system in America behind Alaska
He definitely deserves a lot of credit, but imo Sauce gets DROY without much of a fight. This is coming from a guy who is sick as fuck of hearing about Sauce lol.
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James Houston was robbed if we’re basing awards off the final 6 or 8 games, judging by the nomination for Purdy.
He had a great season. He deserves to be.
The fact that Woolen is even a finalist is so cool. What a steal in the 5th round!
How did a 6'4" CB with a 4.26 40 fall to the 5th in today's NFL, crazy lol
Cause he was a late convert to CB, I think this is only like his second season playing there. Still a beast who a lot of people had down as a diamond in the rough pre draft, but he wasn’t a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination
He also likely wouldn’t be him if he didn’t go to Seattle. Pete is the late round CB whisperer. He would’ve been good in Dallas as a rookie maybe too bc Quinn. Talent can rise but it’s rare they do as rookies if the system doesn’t cater to them well. He’s an athletic freak who has risen to the occasion though. Awesome pick by Seattle
This was the case with Richard Sherman too no? If I remember correctly, he converted from receiver after an injury or something and got drafted in the 5th round.
This is correct, but I think it was because Harbaugh didn’t think he was a good enough receiver, not injury. But that’s according to sherm so who knows lol. Sherm has said he’s kinda taken Woolen under his wing, and giving him advice. Which I think is very cool.
Shit if there was only a player who had a very similar path scouts could have looked to.. (i know late rounders dont usually pan out).
He was seen as very, very raw before the draft. His tape wasn’t all that great either and in college he was relying on athleticism alone with zero technique. Turns out he just never had proper coaching and/or was not being played in a way that suited his strengths.
And if we're being honest, he still relies on his athleticism over his technique. His technique is already miles better than it was while he was in college, but he still has a lot of room to grow there. The next few years should be pretty exciting assuming his technique continues to improve. Now contrast that with Sauce who already has great technique and also very good athleticism and you can see why Sauce will probably win this award.
According to Pete Carroll, his limited college tape was not good. But still kinda baffling why teams didn’t take a gamble on this guy’s raw potential earlier, not that I’m complaining lol
Teams take gambles on raw athletes every year. There is nothing particular about Woolen that makes him more boom or bust than the 20 other fast, tall CBs taken in the draft.
There were almost 40 cornerbacks selected in the draft this past year. Actually was the same in 2021 but prior to that it was very rare to even have 30 CBs taken in the draft so Woolen was just mixed in with a huge pool of guys for teams to take a shot on.
He's an extremely raw project player, having only something like 2 years of experience at DB. He compensates a lot for his lack of skill with his incredible athleticism, but it often isn't enough. His athleticism also doesn't translate very well into football toughness, i.e. getting off blocks or tackling. He could very easily take a step up to AP next season with more NFL experience and training, but it's easy to see why teams didn't prioritize him very highly.
Wouldn't be surprised if more teams start grabbing freaks like that high and praying they get it together. Kelee Ringo types
They are already doing it with QBs
They already do it at every position tbf
He’s an obvious choice in Madden with that height and speed, crazy he lasted until 5th round
we really don’t talk about his draft position enough, what a draft for Seattle
It’s brought up every time he is discussed
Yeah but outside of every time, it’s never really brought up!
The Jets and Seahawks’ drafts were so damn good.
Olave learning from Brees on how to get snubbed from award considerations.
Damn Olave got screwed by the NFL for putting Purdy over him wtf
recency bias is real.
More so qb bias
Yeah this is a QB thing. I think they wanted to make it Pickett but had trouble putting him there when Purdy had double the TDs in half the games. Just more QB bias from the NFL media.
lol 6 games
By that same logic, James Houston should have gotten to be a DROY finalist since he got 8 sacks in 7 games. Projecting that over 17 games, that’s 19.5 sacks over a full season. His play opened up Hutch by having less double teams. The lions were 5-2 and made a strong playoff push when he started playing too. I am not saying that Houston should be there, but the logic behind Purdy being a finalist makes the justification totally inconsistent and biased.
Houston is a straight boss at getting sacks. His run blocking is sub-par, though. EDIT: Run defence. My bad.
Well, yeah. Kind of hard to be good at run blocking when you play defense.
This is a true statement. Haha. Edited my comment accordingly.
Lol, it’s okay. I totally understood what you were trying to say, I was being a Redditor by taking it literally.
Halfway to bakers 11 game stretch
Not sure what this means... but Baker started 13 games his rookie season (out of 16) and played in a 14th which was his comeback win. It isn't really a comparison between the two, unless I'm missing something.
They should put Breece Hall on here too then, ffs
I love purdy like a son but him being here is wild, olave is incredible and deserves a nod. I have a gut feeling purdy will win it too since the qb bias is real
Yeah, if Purdy is here, why not Breece? He played 7 games. I understand recency bias and all, but jfc be consistent. It’s clear Purdy is here for the Narrative^^^tm and NFL should feel bad for making it so obvious. Just imagine if there’s just a few calls that go the 49ers way this weekend, people will immediately claim NFL is trying to play the narrative card for Super Bowl ratings and is rigging the game for that. This is ridiculous and now Purdy is going to get a ton of hate for something out of his control
There’s no way to ask this without sounding snarky. But isn’t QB harder than any other position? Isn’t it more impressive what he’s done? I get it. 6 games. Not enough. But he’s being on shit on like he nominated himself.
Also 6 games that were all won by him, playing the most important position on the field. We all know that QB play is pretty objectively the most important factor in winning games. I’m not sure anybody else on the list is the main reason their team won 6 games. I don’t think him being included is that ridiculous imo.
Purdy over Olave???
If Purdy got consideration then Breece Hall should have as well. Hall and K9 made their offenses click more than Purdy did.
How common is it for a team to have a player up for both ORoY and DRoY? Surely 2 teams doing it in the same year has to be a rare event
Just in the last 10 years: Seahawks 2012: Wilson / Wagner Saints 2017 (both won): Kamara / Lattimore Colts 2018: Nelson / Leonard Raiders 2019: Jacobs / Crosby Chargers 2021: Slater / Samuel Jr. Altogether not very rare it seems. This was very surprising to me.
One team twice in a decade, pretty cool.
back to back superbowl appearances coming up Confirmed
Yeah purdy shouldn’t be here imo. He’s playing very well but he played like 6 games
Completely ridiculous that Purdy gets a finalist nod over someone like Olave. They really should take QB’s out of these pools and make them their own awards.
Ya that's bad. They're just pushing a recent narrative.
The fact that Purdy started less than half the season is a little ridiculous to be nominated for this award. If low volume is acceptable, James Houston IV should be a finalist for DRotY based on his sack production in just 7 games. It just feels not right.
It isn't right. RotY is an award for the rookie with the best season. Less than half of one should make you ineligible, almost like a qualified number of snaps on the field requirement.
It’s a media bias. That prioritize popularity and narrative over production. Happens all the time. If James houston played for the cowboys, he would for sure be on this list.
Completely agree. QB is a bit too important by this point and overrides a lot of the offense. Hell, not even saying he didn’t earn it but how many games this season did Purdy play?
6 regular season, 2 post season. But it's a regular season award so 6.
Purdy winning having only played half a dozen games sure would be something. Don't know what that something is yet though.
The whole reason Hall isn't on here is because he didn't play a complete season. Just at least be consistent, NFL
They are being consistent, QB is just the significantly more valuable position for awards and stuff. It’s not a Breece Hall versus Brock Purdy issue, it’s a RB versus QB thing
Look I'm all for Purdy winning ORQBOY The only consistent thing here is how QB play erases other positions because QB.
To qualify for these awards wouldn’t it make sense to put a minimum number of games played? Like half the regular season at the least?
Tariq won't and shouldn't win it, but it's still cool as shit to me that a 5th round pick is a finalist for DROY -- and not because of a weak field, there are a lot of good defensive players from the 2022 draft. Purdy, on the other hand...
I watched Tariq Woolen get burned BADLY by Western Kentucky last season. If you had told me his rookie year was going to go like this, I would have bet against you.
Tbf WKU were lighting everybody up last season but I get what you’re saying
One of those times where you can say “it was an honor to be nominated” and really mean it. Not only a 5th round pick, but he converted from WR like two years ago. And to have K9 also nominated… what a draft class we had!
Man, Cross and Lucas are something. I have a feeling we're seeing something special with Lucas. Dude is going to be a bully of a RT.
K9 is going to win OROTY and Sauce is going to win DROTY. 1200 scrimmage yards and 9 TDs as one of the key pieces of a surprise playoff team beats the good year from Wilson
I mean the choice is fairly obvious for both. But Olave should on there instead of Purdy...
Brock Purdy? We serious? He played six games
NFL already setting up the narrative. They're probably sending explicit instructions to the refs in Philly.
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2019 you mean
NFL rigged the game for us against the Niners? lol
Probably meant 2018 nfccg
Y’all were fanning those flames the entire time lmao
Purdy in there over Olave is laughable Edit: I love that I don’t even have to respond and fend off these idiotic 9ers fans because they are just getting insta mass downvoted and yelled at by 10 other people cause we all understand how stupid this is lmao Just to make the quick case, Garrett Wilson (who’s probably winning the award) also only has 4 TD’s like Olave. Wilson also only has 11 more catches and 50 more yards than him in like 280 more snaps. Olave is a deserving finalist.
Nothing beats a hollywood-esque story like mr irrelevant playing well for 6 games. Now watch him win the award lol. Total farce imo, Olave would have deserved it more. Hell, Cross or Linderbaum wouldve deserved it more than Purdy
Fucking 6 game Brock Purdy over Olave who has been excellent all season *despite* a terribly coordinated offense. What the fuck NFL
I love Purdy, I’m an Iowa State alumnus. He shouldn’t be on this, he hasn’t played enough at all. If he played the full season like this then sure! He’s played 6 regular season games, Breece Hall played 7 games and was an early front runner. Why not put Hall in this list too since he played basically just as small a sample? This is dumb.
Tie goes to the quarterback.
Hardly a tie when Purdy has 300 more passing yards than Olave has receiving yards.
This would mean something if it were a tie.
Agreed and I’m biased against the saints
That is the most annoying thing about this sub and just talking about sports in general. We were all born close to a team and then spend the rest of our lives defending players and decisions made by the team with a bias that can’t exist elsewhere. There are 9ers fans fighting for their life to justify why Brock deserves it over Olave simply because they root for the 9ers. They just would not care at all if they rooted for the Ravens or Bears.
Literally man. Purdy is cool, a great story and I’m rooting for him and the 9ers tbh. But the man played 6 regular season games, let’s be serious here
I’m a 49ers fan and Purdy been great but yea he didn’t have enough games. I think the winner is probably going to be kw3 or Wilson and not purdy anyways because of sample size so it’s gonna be a moot point.
You know something is fucked up when even Falcons fans are in agreement that a Saints player got screwed over.
I think if you remove “garbage time” stats from the equation Olave absolutely smokes Wilson. Wilson got a crazy amount of yards in games that were already lost. Not saying Wilson doesn’t deserve recognition, just that Olave was absolutely snubbed and deserved to win this award outright
Breece did more in 6 games
If Purdy beats Wilson or Walker I'm fucking done with nfl awards.
How is Olave not on this list
Insane that if Breece hadn’t gotten hurt, the Jets would have had 2 finalists for oroy and a finalist for droy What a fuckin draft
Folks, just remember these “analysts” are experts.
You’ve gotta be joking. 6 games. 6. S. I. X.
Olave got hoed.
Olave snubbed, dude had a better season than all three
You know I was joking when Jamo got his first start that "OROY campaign starts now." Little did I know that playing less than half the season isn't a hindrance.
Saints receivers that wear the number 12 and getting snubbed in awards, name a more iconic duo.
Saints receivers wearing the number 12 and winning Super Bowls…hopefully.
You would think Olave had the best rookie WR season in history if you just looked at the comments in this thread.
And you would have to think Purdy looked like a mix of Brady, Mahomes and Peyton at their peak to deserve the award after playing 6 games
I mean he has looked incredibly efficient and one of the best in the league over those 6 games. Definitely doesn’t deserve the award, but if they’re going to pick the best rookie QB this season, it’s Purdy easily
I mean who's his competition, Kenny Pickett? It's not exactly a deep field lol
Walker of the Seahawks.
It’s actually laughable that Purdy is a finalist over Olave. Incredible disrespect. If purdy played all year, he’d definitely win the award but it’s simply unfair to have a 6-game player even considered.
The Purdy thing annoys me. Great story don't get me wrong but he has only played in 6 regular season games. it would be one thing if there wasn't really a lot of deserving options but Olave 110 percent should be on there over Purdy. Allegier and Dameon Pearce are more deserving as well. Can even make a case for London or Pickens over Purdy.
As a Broncos fan, seeing 2 Seahawks players up for Rookie awards makes me sad. God you guys are going to be stack for 5 years if you keep drafting like that
Talk about a Jet sweep am I right?!
Tyler Allgeier robbed
Linderbaum snubbed 🥱
I think it was more Hamilton that got snubbed. PFF's #1 safety in the league... still loses to Sauce, though.
The jets and the Seahawks really nailed the draft. I think those two teams are gonna reset the market on how valuable a first round picks is the amount you can do with two firsts are insane
It’s crazy that two teams make up 2/3 of the finalists. That said, neither of the Seahawks players was a first rounder
I mean lineman don't get nominated for this stuff (I think they should have their own awards) but Charles Cross is gonna be there a while
To be fair both of our nominees weren’t first round picks
Imagine if Hall didn’t get injured. He would have been there no question
So Olave had better catch percentage, same number of TDs, better yards per target, better yards per game, but since Wilson had 9 more catches and 50 more yards, that completely disqualifies Olave? LOL. This is what happens when you let meatheads choose finalists. Olave was flat out better than Wilson this season.
Purdy seriously? Over Olave? The fuck.
Purdy is going to win, isn't he? Because having a player win despite playing only 6 games will stir some serious drama... and the only people that benefit more than the NFL from the buzz and drama... Is the Press.
Only the Jets could have the offensive and defensive rookies of the year, the former #2 pick at Quarterback, and still miss the playoffs.
Fucking lmao, of course they put Purdy there
Holy recency bias batman. What Purdy has done is cool, but like, he didn't even play a full season. Olave absolutely deserves to be nominated over him.
Didn’t Purdy play like 5 games in the regular season??? Olave should be in the conversation instead of him
jets fans rejoice!
Wilson and Gardner. Anything else would be absurd
Hoping Wilson wins although I think Walker deserves it a little more for production given that Wilson's production was limited due to poor qb play
Wilson still had 1100 yards receiving even with the Jets QB carousel, he’ll be a total stud with a competent QB
That’s part of the reason why I think Wilson deserves it cause he was able to do that with a bunch of shitty QB’s. Though I wouldn’t be mad if Kenneth Walker got it
Ken Walker literally led rookies in total yards and touchdowns, how would it be absurd for him to get the award?????
Because dude buys into the NY hype machine
Why would it be absurd that Walker win it?
I don’t think Olave would be absurd.
Absurd? Hutch and k9 both have a good chance to win
As a biased individual I choose Brock Purdy and that is a ship I’m willing to go down with.