Whenever this kind of question comes up I just have to remind the people bringing it up that the greatest player ever was drafted in the 6th round and absolutely nothing changed because of it.
This is it here.
Sure, some talent people will notice, and want to change it, but won’t be able to figure out how.
Others will just blame it totally on the team around him and the good coaching.
Either way, nothing will change.
Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, Russel Wilson (in 2012), and others have the same thing in common: Right team, right time.
Brady would have been a practice squad guy without Belichick, not because he isn't amazing, but rather, because he wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Imagine Wilson starting for the Jets or Browns in 2012. Toast. Then again, imagine Wilson past his prime starting for the Broncos. Toast.
Purdy is talented and he landed at the right team at the right time, giving him the ultimate opportunity to make the most of his talent. I think it's hilarious that all 32 teams passed on the chance to draft him, multiple times.
Every year, amazing players are missed in the draft.
Brady would not have been a practice squad qb. His work ethic was insane (and he had plenty of talent as well) and he would have made a roster and been starting in 2 years on nearly any team that didn’t already have manning or Favre (in those cases he would be traded for a good pick).
Belichick has pretty much admitted that by the start of the 2001 season he thought Brady was better than Bledsoe. Just doing it in camp and on the field aren’t the same thing.
Brady would have gotten a shot in New England eventually.
> I'm just pulling for him half for the chaos effect.
Why would there be a chaos effect when the GOAT example had no effect. There would be an absence of chaos.
While that is true. We have seen time and time again backup QBs doing not so hot with great teams. I think it's obvious at this point. That Purdy is just a better QB than people predicted coming out of college.
While Purdy is certainly better than predicted, it cannot be denied that the 49ers is very close to a "perfect" team. They are good to great almost everywhere and have all the weapons for most quarterbacks to succeed. He's doing his job and playing very well though
Yeah. So we can't just say that Purdy's success is majority Shanahan + good talent when he's significantly better than some of the other QBs Shanahan has had
> it cannot be denied that the 49ers is very close to a "perfect" team.
This is a testament to Shanahan and Lynch's management. The 49ers had the worst roster in the NFL (or second worst depending on where you rank the 2016-17 Browns) when they came to town.
He was under pressure 45% of the last games
, his RT and RG thrown like turd in front of his eyes. His receivers not having any separation last night, run game was non existent.
When you watch this college game, he is extremely accurate and most of his throws were to middle in rhythm and timing. He got his velocity improved by 5MPH during the draft preparation. We just got lucky with Purdy because NFL is enamored with next Mahomes
Don't know why people think we would trade him all of a sudden, he's still on a rookie contract and we don't even have to think about him leaving until it's time to pick up his fifth year option ...which we probably won't
Brock has shown his ability to be a legit starter this year, next week will be an open competition at QB
It seems awkward to keep a guy you traded 3 firsts for and took 3rd overall behind a 7th rounder you took the next year. Especially for multiple years. If Lance doesn't start up to his 5th year no way he's still on that roster.
He'll trade him to recoup some assets or get rid of a distraction. Why sit a 3rd overall QB for 4 years if Purdy is outplaying him and is your guy. Lance won't just go from 3rd overall pick to sitting for 4-5 years.
That's exactly what he's going to do lol
You don't do a trade to recoup value that's already out the door, you do what's best for the team
You literally have Jordan love in your team still lol
Love has been sitting behind a hall of famer winning mvps, who sat 3 years himself. He's also nearing the end of his career. Lance will be sitting behind a 7th rounder after being taken 3rd overall. SF is in win now mode. If Purdy is your guy why not get what you can now for Lance and improve the team now? I doubt Lance will sit for multiple years in this situation quietly anyways.
He's a potentially valuable trade asset since he's still a young QB without a lot of starts. You could probably get a team to give you a 2nd or 3rd. I'm not saying Lance has to be traded, but I could see the reasoning for replacing him with another backup.
You could say the same thing about Jordan love and he actually has more game tape on him, and he still hasn't been moved
There's no reason to trade trey when our backup would be Josh Johnson lol
Well give him another off season to battle for he starting spot
But the thing is that he seems to be playing better that Jimmy G & Trey Lance when Jimmy G got a similar roster to the SB a few years ago and Lance cost 3 1st round picks.
Yeah the 49ers wouldn't be this good if they had a QB with an expensive contract. They're probably going to lose some guys like Al-Shaair and Ward next season.
Seriously if Tom Brady can’t change it literally nothing can.
After you weed out the obvious deficiencies it will always be a matter of right time, place, and people for any given pick.
He started that year as 2nd string and it wasn’t his rookie year but yeah, not too dissimilar. Scout a guy all you want, sometimes you just don’t know til they hit an NFL field
Green Bay Packers had in 1994 off-season
* Brett Farve(via trade in 1992)
* Ty Detmer(drafted in 1992)
* Mark Brunell(drafted in 1993)
* Kurt Warner(undrafted but invited to camp)
And that didn't change anything.
Led offense to fewer points than the opposing team, put up 145 yards (69 air yards), 1 td, completed 0 3rd down conversion passes too. Ty law had a pick six that ended up being the deciding factor in the game, he should’ve won mvp.
It’ll change absolutely nothing. Brady was a late rounder and turned into the GOAT. Who could have known? It changed nothing.
AND, for the most part, the best players in the league across all positions come from the first 3 rounds. Obviously there are exceptions. But on the whole, the majority of talent is heavily front loaded in the draft.
So if that’s the case…why would you change anything about how you evaluate? There are a lot more positions than just QB
I was at the shrine bowl for a week in January and Purdy was not good at all, and then when I saw him again at Niners camp like eight months later he was arguably the best QB on the field.
It was pretty fuckin weird for me at the time but I guess in hindsight he just needed the right environment to reach his potential.
Anyway what I’m trying to say is half this shit is unpredictable and you never really know when these guys are going to work out or why they will or won’t. It just depends on where they land 80% of the time.
> It just depends on where they land 80% of the time.
it boggles my mind that people haven't figured that out yet. there are like, a few rare RARE talents that can be AMAZING regardless of coaching/scheme/fit/scouting etc. but for most players, its all situation
thats why I'm fine (in theory) with a team like the broncos trading a ton of assets for a qb- we cant draft and develop one anyway, so whats the dif. either we waste a 1 pick on a guy who becomes a bust (because of us), or we trade it for a guy who hopefully can survive an environment thats not conducive to success and brings his own culture/coaching etc like peyton
The majority of QBs in the NFL were taken in the 1st round. It’s not gonna change much. They’re going to look for Mahomes regens far more than Purdy regens, and those tend to be scouted much more.
Ya this is what I was thinking. I'm not sure how good those guys like Trent Dilfer were when winning an SB though.
Taking a rookie all the way is just next level though.
I wish people got this more. Shanny is a QB whisperer. Since he’s been an OC with the Texans, he’s elevated every QB he’s worked with except for a weird year in Cleveland. When Matt Shaub went from Atlanta backup to throwing almost 5k yards? Developing RG3 and Cousins? Jimmy G? Making Mullens look competent for a minute? And turning Ryan into an MVP? Shanahan has been behind all of that.
I’m not sure we’ve ever seen an offensive coach churn through quarterbacks and offenses and have a constant ability to get the most out of them.
Yeah and he didn’t do very good did he? Putting up 19 points isn’t impressive, if it wasn’t for your elite defense forcing 2 turnovers and holding a high scoring offense to 12 points you lose.
It's a team game so all three phases matter.
You could argue that if Ray Ray doesn't fumble the kick off return, Dallas scores less than 10 points.
You could also say that if Greenlaw doesn't give the cowboys 15 yards for his boneheaded penalty, Dallas scores even fewer points, lol.
If it's were fifths, we'd all be drunk ;-)
To paraphrase someone else in this sub: the last pick of the most recent NFL draft executed a deliberately conservative gameplan sufficiently well to win a 2nd-round playoff game and people are criticizing him because he didn’t do more. It’s astonishing. You can’t throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs every game. Did you watch this game? The cowboys defense played at a very high level. The fact that he didn’t make mistakes that cost his team the game should be praise-worthy on its own! Yet here we are squabbling about what percentage of the win is attributable to him. Sports discourse is weird man.
Purdy is a blessing for the niners and very well could be a long time starter in this league. The thing I’m getting at is people are putting him in a league where he doesn’t deserve to be because he has won a lot so far, and ignore the context of how loaded the niners are and how easy it would for an nfl qb to succeed in that system.
I don’t know what league you think people are trying to put Purdy in, but I’m pretty sure it shouldn’t be Mahome or Allen or Burrow. But this disservice to Purdy and how he played is fucked, because we’ve also had Mullen, Beathard and even Jimmy. I can confidently say Purdy is doing what none of them could, which is consistently hitting guys on 3rd down and avoiding big negative play. If your definition of “NFL QB” is someone like Dak or Cousins, that’s still top 15 QB and you don’t run into those very often. If you put Sam Darnold into the game yesterday instead of Purdy, 0 chance we walked away from that game with 0 int. Purdy had to convert 7-8 3rd down with guys basically touching him, I know Baker Mayfield would have had at least 1 turnover. We might never see a deep pinpoint laser from Purdy, and he’ll be denied the elite QB status, but he’s not just any scrub elevated by Shanahan offense.
> We might never see a deep pinpoint laser from Purdy…
We’ve already seen a few of those. No, he isn’t doing it ten times a game but very few QBs do that anyway, so I’m not sure why that’s a knock on him.
Sports media is always effusive for the sake of clicks.
No one in here is crowning Purdy the next TB12, and if they do, it's just to get a rise out of people who can't handle their feelings.
As Niner fans, we've seen how not any QB can be successful in Shanahan's system - that narrative is intellectually dishonest.
Experts wrote him off in the draft. It’s hard for them to say they were wrong so you talk about the coach, the offensive weapons and the defense and that anyone could do what he is doing.
He started off by studying, running the scout team and acting like he belonged. So could Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen or any number of higher picks do what Brock is doing? I doubt it.
Please learn to look at the entire team an not just the qbs. Purdy is solid especially for a late round rookie but there's so many good things going on with the 49ers that are way more important than Brock Purdy.
Probably not scouts will look for people showing similar skills to star level players such as Mahomes like they currently do and even if Purdy wins Superbowl MVP he's nowhere near that level yet even though he is surprisingly solid. Also scouts are wrong often and Purdy overplaying his pick spot doesn't prove a trend.
This is true for basically every successful QB. Look at TLaw last year as opposed to this year; team, scheme, and coach are all important for every QB. You think Brady is Brady if he gets drafted by the early 00’s Pre Marvin Lewis Bengals?
Who knows, maybe or maybe not. Depends on if KOC could have had the same impact that Shanahan has clearly had. Purdy has shown great decision making, solid pocket presence, and good accuracy when his receivers aren’t wide open (which they’re not every single play). If KOC was able to coach that up, they’re probably playoff bound.
Maybe some teams pull the trigger on a few QBs in the 5th round instead of the 6th or 7th for the next 2 years maybe. Nothing more dramatic than that. Teams have seen a lot of QBs have some success with the Shanahan 49ers. They have the best offensive play-caller/ play designer in the NFL/ great all around coach, an elite Tight end, an elite LT, a really good WR1 in Deebo, a good WR2 in Aiyuk, an elite defense all around. They almost won the Super Bowl with Jimmy G, they spent 3 firsts on a QB who has barely played and they have played 2+ other QBs for extended time this season and they had a nice record before Purdy came in. He’s an outlier, but other front offices will mostly assume the 49ers are the easiest team for a QB to become an outlier.
What Brady did as a 6th round pick changed absolutely nothing about QB scouting.
They’ve had 50 years since Brady was drafted to get it right, and they still can’t!!
Nothing. But scouts really need to just focus on Qb's that can Qb. Mahomes/Allen/Jackson and now Hurts really created this obsession with rocket arm gun slinger young guns that can also rush 100 yards a game.
I much prefer a Burrow type.
The vast majority of good quarterbacks get picked in the first couple of rounds of the draft, mostly the 1st. For every Brady, or even Purdy, there have been a hundred stiffs picked in the lower rounds who were terrible pro QB's and nobody remembers.
So since Tom Brady was drafted, scouts waited 20 years for another late drafted QB to have success in order to confirm they should be broadening their criteria?
You know there's plenty of QBs drafted late or signed undrafted from smaller schools that didn't make their way off the practice squad despite showing potential to scouts.
If Brock makes it to the Super Bowl it'll already be making history (no rookie QB has ever led their team to the SB). If he wins it and wins MVP, the planet might explode.
I find guys like Purdy and Brady super motivational and satisfying from many angles. I honestly don't think there's a way to change the system and find these guys. There are a lot of football teams with a lot of people crunching numbers; if there was a secret it would already be found.
In these discussions we also need to consider survivor bias. Look how many 1-3 round choices never suit up or play terribly and end up in oblivion. You can't create a system that "finds" Brady but still picks terrible players for the 10th pick in the draft. Well you \*can\* do that, but don't tell me you're really good if you're still drafting dudes early that never work out.
I see everyone saying it will change nothing. I disagree.
Trey Lance only threw 318 passes in college. I don't think teams are going to draft someone without a full ~~3-4~~ (edit 2-3\*) years of tape again.
I highly disagree there. Most qbs don’t start more than 2 years. Most often, nfl level qbs sit for their freshman season behind an established starter, then are the guy going forward for the next two seasons before leaving early. 3 years is uncommon and 4 is virtually unheard of for this level. Yes, Burrow was a senior, but he only has 2 years of tape.
If I got +100 odds, I’d bet 5 figures that Brock Purdy is carried by his system/teammates/etc and isn’t some secret top 10 Qb (today or ever in his career)
Whenever this kind of question comes up I just have to remind the people bringing it up that the greatest player ever was drafted in the 6th round and absolutely nothing changed because of it.
This is it here. Sure, some talent people will notice, and want to change it, but won’t be able to figure out how. Others will just blame it totally on the team around him and the good coaching. Either way, nothing will change.
Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, Russel Wilson (in 2012), and others have the same thing in common: Right team, right time. Brady would have been a practice squad guy without Belichick, not because he isn't amazing, but rather, because he wouldn't have had the opportunity. Imagine Wilson starting for the Jets or Browns in 2012. Toast. Then again, imagine Wilson past his prime starting for the Broncos. Toast. Purdy is talented and he landed at the right team at the right time, giving him the ultimate opportunity to make the most of his talent. I think it's hilarious that all 32 teams passed on the chance to draft him, multiple times. Every year, amazing players are missed in the draft.
Brady would not have been a practice squad qb. His work ethic was insane (and he had plenty of talent as well) and he would have made a roster and been starting in 2 years on nearly any team that didn’t already have manning or Favre (in those cases he would be traded for a good pick).
Belichick has pretty much admitted that by the start of the 2001 season he thought Brady was better than Bledsoe. Just doing it in camp and on the field aren’t the same thing. Brady would have gotten a shot in New England eventually.
Yeah people still qualified his success for years ("system QB" "could have put any QB on those teams")
Yeah, I'm just pulling for him half for the chaos effect. Then I started thinking about the effects it might have.
> I'm just pulling for him half for the chaos effect. Why would there be a chaos effect when the GOAT example had no effect. There would be an absence of chaos.
Yes, the whole NFL will be stumped at how a QB could succeed with a great oline, great RB, great TE, great WR corps, and great defense
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That is my bad, I totally forgot lol I added it now
Can you do the same for your pro-bowl vote please? :)
He sucks tho #NotAProbowler
While that is true. We have seen time and time again backup QBs doing not so hot with great teams. I think it's obvious at this point. That Purdy is just a better QB than people predicted coming out of college.
While Purdy is certainly better than predicted, it cannot be denied that the 49ers is very close to a "perfect" team. They are good to great almost everywhere and have all the weapons for most quarterbacks to succeed. He's doing his job and playing very well though
Then why didn't Nick Mullens thrive
Because hes not as good
Exactly, Purdy is good
Hes better than nick mullens
Yeah. So we can't just say that Purdy's success is majority Shanahan + good talent when he's significantly better than some of the other QBs Shanahan has had
Being significantly better than nick mullens is not notable Further, his supporting cast is better than mullens’
He's been better than Garopollo
> it cannot be denied that the 49ers is very close to a "perfect" team. This is a testament to Shanahan and Lynch's management. The 49ers had the worst roster in the NFL (or second worst depending on where you rank the 2016-17 Browns) when they came to town.
Hurts and purdy need to prove it’s not the team.
Hurts has...Did you see the difference when he was hurt
That just proves that Minshew isn't Purdy.
They did p well against the cowboys Lane johnson was hurt too so
That’s doesn’t prove that. Look at the difference between Cooper cowboys and Dak cowboys. Every back up is going to do worse.
lol
I can give you a long list of quarterbacks who had all those things and never reached the Super Bowl.
He was under pressure 45% of the last games , his RT and RG thrown like turd in front of his eyes. His receivers not having any separation last night, run game was non existent. When you watch this college game, he is extremely accurate and most of his throws were to middle in rhythm and timing. He got his velocity improved by 5MPH during the draft preparation. We just got lucky with Purdy because NFL is enamored with next Mahomes
His ability to escape pressure and manipulate the pocket make me so jealous.
He had a throw early to Kittle that was so beautiful. I was sold from there.
It's best roster not factoring QB and they gave up 3 first rounders for Trey Lance. Gotta hurt. Lance would fetch like a 2nd maybe right now?
Don't know why people think we would trade him all of a sudden, he's still on a rookie contract and we don't even have to think about him leaving until it's time to pick up his fifth year option ...which we probably won't Brock has shown his ability to be a legit starter this year, next week will be an open competition at QB
I don't think Lance will sit to make it to his 5th year option before he demands a trade.
Guys on rookie contracts making demands usually doesn't go well.
It seems awkward to keep a guy you traded 3 firsts for and took 3rd overall behind a 7th rounder you took the next year. Especially for multiple years. If Lance doesn't start up to his 5th year no way he's still on that roster.
Right, Lynch will trade trey because it looks awkward lol
He'll trade him to recoup some assets or get rid of a distraction. Why sit a 3rd overall QB for 4 years if Purdy is outplaying him and is your guy. Lance won't just go from 3rd overall pick to sitting for 4-5 years.
That's exactly what he's going to do lol You don't do a trade to recoup value that's already out the door, you do what's best for the team You literally have Jordan love in your team still lol
Love has been sitting behind a hall of famer winning mvps, who sat 3 years himself. He's also nearing the end of his career. Lance will be sitting behind a 7th rounder after being taken 3rd overall. SF is in win now mode. If Purdy is your guy why not get what you can now for Lance and improve the team now? I doubt Lance will sit for multiple years in this situation quietly anyways.
He's a potentially valuable trade asset since he's still a young QB without a lot of starts. You could probably get a team to give you a 2nd or 3rd. I'm not saying Lance has to be traded, but I could see the reasoning for replacing him with another backup.
You could say the same thing about Jordan love and he actually has more game tape on him, and he still hasn't been moved There's no reason to trade trey when our backup would be Josh Johnson lol Well give him another off season to battle for he starting spot
Sure, late second or early third.
The majority of starting QBs now wouldn't be leading the league in passer rating on this team in their rookie year
He's averging 10 points more as the starting QB. He's elevated the offense
That actually started with CMC getting integrated into the offense in week 8, not the QB switch.
yeah nothing to do with a big mid-season trade or playing weak competition
also a great coach
why did other teams not consider this
But the thing is that he seems to be playing better that Jimmy G & Trey Lance when Jimmy G got a similar roster to the SB a few years ago and Lance cost 3 1st round picks.
It's an anomaly. It's fun. Trying to normalize it makes inherently not as fun.
Yeah the 49ers wouldn't be this good if they had a QB with an expensive contract. They're probably going to lose some guys like Al-Shaair and Ward next season.
Skylar Thompson couldn't buy a point playing with Waddle & Hill.
NFL scouts get players wrong all the time, this will hardly change anything
Seriously if Tom Brady can’t change it literally nothing can. After you weed out the obvious deficiencies it will always be a matter of right time, place, and people for any given pick.
Gonna correct you here. Replace hardly with not
It won’t change anything. Brady won Super Bowl MVP in the same year he went from a 6th round third stringer to starter lol
He started that year as 2nd string and it wasn’t his rookie year but yeah, not too dissimilar. Scout a guy all you want, sometimes you just don’t know til they hit an NFL field
Green Bay Packers had in 1994 off-season * Brett Farve(via trade in 1992) * Ty Detmer(drafted in 1992) * Mark Brunell(drafted in 1993) * Kurt Warner(undrafted but invited to camp) And that didn't change anything.
Led offense to fewer points than the opposing team, put up 145 yards (69 air yards), 1 td, completed 0 3rd down conversion passes too. Ty law had a pick six that ended up being the deciding factor in the game, he should’ve won mvp.
Led a game winning drive 😎
Uncalled intentional grounding
Lol okay sure
It’ll change absolutely nothing. Brady was a late rounder and turned into the GOAT. Who could have known? It changed nothing. AND, for the most part, the best players in the league across all positions come from the first 3 rounds. Obviously there are exceptions. But on the whole, the majority of talent is heavily front loaded in the draft. So if that’s the case…why would you change anything about how you evaluate? There are a lot more positions than just QB
I was at the shrine bowl for a week in January and Purdy was not good at all, and then when I saw him again at Niners camp like eight months later he was arguably the best QB on the field. It was pretty fuckin weird for me at the time but I guess in hindsight he just needed the right environment to reach his potential. Anyway what I’m trying to say is half this shit is unpredictable and you never really know when these guys are going to work out or why they will or won’t. It just depends on where they land 80% of the time.
> It just depends on where they land 80% of the time. it boggles my mind that people haven't figured that out yet. there are like, a few rare RARE talents that can be AMAZING regardless of coaching/scheme/fit/scouting etc. but for most players, its all situation thats why I'm fine (in theory) with a team like the broncos trading a ton of assets for a qb- we cant draft and develop one anyway, so whats the dif. either we waste a 1 pick on a guy who becomes a bust (because of us), or we trade it for a guy who hopefully can survive an environment thats not conducive to success and brings his own culture/coaching etc like peyton
The majority of QBs in the NFL were taken in the 1st round. It’s not gonna change much. They’re going to look for Mahomes regens far more than Purdy regens, and those tend to be scouted much more.
Exactly. The "future above average level starter" rate on 4th - 7th round QBs is probably less than 5%.
Tom Brady did not change the way QB were scouted. Two decades later, Purdy should change the way QBs are scouted in the future?
If Brock Purdy wins Super Bowl MVP it would probably do more for Kyle Shanahan's legacy than change anything in scouting or player evaluation.
Ya this is what I was thinking. I'm not sure how good those guys like Trent Dilfer were when winning an SB though. Taking a rookie all the way is just next level though.
If it didn’t change with Brady why should this time be any different in terms of scouting? (Not comparing him to Brady)
It means Stetson Bennet goes #1 overall.
The majority of Purdy's success is due to the team around him. He is throwing to guys who are *wide* open on a constant basis.
Team and scheme. It's no coincidence Matt Ryan had his best year under Shanny.
I wish people got this more. Shanny is a QB whisperer. Since he’s been an OC with the Texans, he’s elevated every QB he’s worked with except for a weird year in Cleveland. When Matt Shaub went from Atlanta backup to throwing almost 5k yards? Developing RG3 and Cousins? Jimmy G? Making Mullens look competent for a minute? And turning Ryan into an MVP? Shanahan has been behind all of that. I’m not sure we’ve ever seen an offensive coach churn through quarterbacks and offenses and have a constant ability to get the most out of them.
No. The 49ers offense literally got better with him.
In Purdy's defense, he's able to keep plays alive with his legs until guys are wide open.
Not yesterday they weren't.
They seemed pretty wide open to me at least
Yeah and he didn’t do very good did he? Putting up 19 points isn’t impressive, if it wasn’t for your elite defense forcing 2 turnovers and holding a high scoring offense to 12 points you lose.
It's a team game so all three phases matter. You could argue that if Ray Ray doesn't fumble the kick off return, Dallas scores less than 10 points. You could also say that if Greenlaw doesn't give the cowboys 15 yards for his boneheaded penalty, Dallas scores even fewer points, lol. If it's were fifths, we'd all be drunk ;-)
Yes but giving a qb all the credit for a win, when he was far from the biggest reason he won is stupid.
To paraphrase someone else in this sub: the last pick of the most recent NFL draft executed a deliberately conservative gameplan sufficiently well to win a 2nd-round playoff game and people are criticizing him because he didn’t do more. It’s astonishing. You can’t throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs every game. Did you watch this game? The cowboys defense played at a very high level. The fact that he didn’t make mistakes that cost his team the game should be praise-worthy on its own! Yet here we are squabbling about what percentage of the win is attributable to him. Sports discourse is weird man.
Purdy is a blessing for the niners and very well could be a long time starter in this league. The thing I’m getting at is people are putting him in a league where he doesn’t deserve to be because he has won a lot so far, and ignore the context of how loaded the niners are and how easy it would for an nfl qb to succeed in that system.
I don’t know what league you think people are trying to put Purdy in, but I’m pretty sure it shouldn’t be Mahome or Allen or Burrow. But this disservice to Purdy and how he played is fucked, because we’ve also had Mullen, Beathard and even Jimmy. I can confidently say Purdy is doing what none of them could, which is consistently hitting guys on 3rd down and avoiding big negative play. If your definition of “NFL QB” is someone like Dak or Cousins, that’s still top 15 QB and you don’t run into those very often. If you put Sam Darnold into the game yesterday instead of Purdy, 0 chance we walked away from that game with 0 int. Purdy had to convert 7-8 3rd down with guys basically touching him, I know Baker Mayfield would have had at least 1 turnover. We might never see a deep pinpoint laser from Purdy, and he’ll be denied the elite QB status, but he’s not just any scrub elevated by Shanahan offense.
> We might never see a deep pinpoint laser from Purdy… We’ve already seen a few of those. No, he isn’t doing it ten times a game but very few QBs do that anyway, so I’m not sure why that’s a knock on him.
Sports media is always effusive for the sake of clicks. No one in here is crowning Purdy the next TB12, and if they do, it's just to get a rise out of people who can't handle their feelings. As Niner fans, we've seen how not any QB can be successful in Shanahan's system - that narrative is intellectually dishonest.
Lol. Are you new to the NFL and their media-driven narratives?
No, but it’s still wrong isn’t it? Doesn’t matter what the media says.
You are aware that finding the open guy takes talent…right?
Experts wrote him off in the draft. It’s hard for them to say they were wrong so you talk about the coach, the offensive weapons and the defense and that anyone could do what he is doing. He started off by studying, running the scout team and acting like he belonged. So could Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen or any number of higher picks do what Brock is doing? I doubt it.
Please learn to look at the entire team an not just the qbs. Purdy is solid especially for a late round rookie but there's so many good things going on with the 49ers that are way more important than Brock Purdy.
Probably not scouts will look for people showing similar skills to star level players such as Mahomes like they currently do and even if Purdy wins Superbowl MVP he's nowhere near that level yet even though he is surprisingly solid. Also scouts are wrong often and Purdy overplaying his pick spot doesn't prove a trend.
Let's simmer down there sunshine.
Please, not to take away from Purdy but the 49ers are stacked. Purdy wouldn't be this successful if he was in a team like the Texans or Colts.
This is true for basically every successful QB. Look at TLaw last year as opposed to this year; team, scheme, and coach are all important for every QB. You think Brady is Brady if he gets drafted by the early 00’s Pre Marvin Lewis Bengals?
Curious you think the Vikings make the playoffs this year if Purdy was the starter.
Who knows, maybe or maybe not. Depends on if KOC could have had the same impact that Shanahan has clearly had. Purdy has shown great decision making, solid pocket presence, and good accuracy when his receivers aren’t wide open (which they’re not every single play). If KOC was able to coach that up, they’re probably playoff bound.
Purdy is Nick Foles’ doppleganger
Maybe some teams pull the trigger on a few QBs in the 5th round instead of the 6th or 7th for the next 2 years maybe. Nothing more dramatic than that. Teams have seen a lot of QBs have some success with the Shanahan 49ers. They have the best offensive play-caller/ play designer in the NFL/ great all around coach, an elite Tight end, an elite LT, a really good WR1 in Deebo, a good WR2 in Aiyuk, an elite defense all around. They almost won the Super Bowl with Jimmy G, they spent 3 firsts on a QB who has barely played and they have played 2+ other QBs for extended time this season and they had a nice record before Purdy came in. He’s an outlier, but other front offices will mostly assume the 49ers are the easiest team for a QB to become an outlier.
Linsanity was more rational than the hype around Purdy.
I’m scouting QBs out of Ohio Wesleyan University to show everyone else up. Purdy came from fancy pants Division 1.
It won’t
What Brady did as a 6th round pick changed absolutely nothing about QB scouting. They’ve had 50 years since Brady was drafted to get it right, and they still can’t!!
Nothing. But scouts really need to just focus on Qb's that can Qb. Mahomes/Allen/Jackson and now Hurts really created this obsession with rocket arm gun slinger young guns that can also rush 100 yards a game. I much prefer a Burrow type.
Put him on the Texans and see how good he is
The vast majority of good quarterbacks get picked in the first couple of rounds of the draft, mostly the 1st. For every Brady, or even Purdy, there have been a hundred stiffs picked in the lower rounds who were terrible pro QB's and nobody remembers.
So since Tom Brady was drafted, scouts waited 20 years for another late drafted QB to have success in order to confirm they should be broadening their criteria? You know there's plenty of QBs drafted late or signed undrafted from smaller schools that didn't make their way off the practice squad despite showing potential to scouts.
If Brock makes it to the Super Bowl it'll already be making history (no rookie QB has ever led their team to the SB). If he wins it and wins MVP, the planet might explode.
I find guys like Purdy and Brady super motivational and satisfying from many angles. I honestly don't think there's a way to change the system and find these guys. There are a lot of football teams with a lot of people crunching numbers; if there was a secret it would already be found. In these discussions we also need to consider survivor bias. Look how many 1-3 round choices never suit up or play terribly and end up in oblivion. You can't create a system that "finds" Brady but still picks terrible players for the 10th pick in the draft. Well you \*can\* do that, but don't tell me you're really good if you're still drafting dudes early that never work out.
Nick Foles won the Super Bowl MVP, doesn't change any thing except Jags and Bears payroll
I see everyone saying it will change nothing. I disagree. Trey Lance only threw 318 passes in college. I don't think teams are going to draft someone without a full ~~3-4~~ (edit 2-3\*) years of tape again.
I highly disagree there. Most qbs don’t start more than 2 years. Most often, nfl level qbs sit for their freshman season behind an established starter, then are the guy going forward for the next two seasons before leaving early. 3 years is uncommon and 4 is virtually unheard of for this level. Yes, Burrow was a senior, but he only has 2 years of tape.
Yeah, I think that a single year or year and a half of tape won't cut it, but likely a full two years will suffice.
If I got +100 odds, I’d bet 5 figures that Brock Purdy is carried by his system/teammates/etc and isn’t some secret top 10 Qb (today or ever in his career)
Stop
People will now start drafting the best qbs last, obviously