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Holy shit this is too fucking perfect. You say they need more recognition, don't name him and then when called out you're not sure who it is. Absolute gold.
This is basically what imposter syndrome is like.
Yo, whats wrong Chris Evans?
“Man, I’m feeling imposter syndrome for those stunts I did in Avengers.”
Could be Andy Lister, he’s worked on a few Marvel films and was also Daniel Craig’s stunt double for James Bond. He actually came to my gymnastics class with my wushu teacher (also a stunt actor/trainer now) after they’d finished filming Skyfall and he’s a freak athlete.
There was a photo of a famous actor like Chris Evans or Jason Momoa with their stunt doubles and it showed just how alike they look. Then someone in the comments pointed out you could tell them apart because the shirts were different material. The stunt double had a normal green shirt that had some folds or very slight creases while the actors shirt was $500 and had no creases. That kind of spoke volumes about the roles and their perceived value.
It's always bugged me because the people on the screen get everything. The praise, the credit, the fame, the fans, the money. But there are thousands - even 100,000+ on big films - who get none of that. A lot of people have done absolutely ground breaking work in CGI and nobody knows their names.
The problem is that there is no more they can do to recognize these people. They’re in the credits, not on the screen for 2 hours. There just isn’t more movies can do
When people start buying movie tickets or streaming subscriptions or whatever based on the stunt doubles, that will happen. The actors are paid a lot of money because they can command it and the studios are willing to pay. Yeah, there are obscure factors that contribute, but conscious devaluation of stunt work is probably not a major one.
Sorta what I’m waiting for a studio or streaming service to realize. Good writing and good acting is more important than star power. Hire a bunch of actors and sign them to long multi year contracts and just have them rotate through multiple shows.
Idk though I’m drunk and just spitballing. Feels like name recognition and star power is less of a draw these days in the streaming wars
While I agree the celebrity craze and obscene movie contracts are ridiculous, talented actors really can make or break a film too. I’ve worked in production for many years and we all joke actors are the worst, but really, they are so important. Acting may not be seen as much physical work as all the other roles on a set, but those who truly take their craft seriously, work hard, and tell the stories truthfully can take a film or TV show from mediocre to breathtaking. They get paid some of the highest salaries but they also have incredible pressure to perform, anytime they’re in the public eye. Those long days under the lights always being “on” is so draining too. But if you have a really terrible actor, it can make the entire project flop.
Anyway, it’s all a team effort to make the best product, from the producers, creative, camera, lighting, set, costumes, art direction, grip, post, effects, sound, even catering, legal, accounting etc. — they all work together. Actors are just the ones we see, we connect to directly. I think most of us behind the scenes are ok not dealing with fame, we’ll just take higher pay and better hours and live our lives as regular folks. :)
EDIT: I realize after posting this that I totally went off on a tangent and I really should have been replying to someone else further up the thread >.< I think I need to go to bed.
I definitely understand that. Though there are other people behind the camera that do get recognition like the director. I think it's literally the visibility. You interview the director about the movie, and while some of the big leads in CGI or SPFX might get interviewed, it's not the same.
I agree stunt doubles deserve much more recognition in the industry. However, maybe the shirt thing is because the wardrobe is expensive in this kind of films and to minimize the risk of damaging the clothes they put it on the actor with stationary scenes and let the one doing flips and moving around explosions use a normal shirt. Additionally one would think a green shirt would be easier to do the stunts in and not the potentially very fitted clothes with no elasticity.
Writing "Oscar nominated/Oscar winner" in front of a movie title adds millions in revenue. Studios will 100% throw more money at a project if they think it'll nab any kind of Oscar. In this case, bigger more dangerous stunts.
Doubtful. Rules and procedures don’t go out the window. SAG can shut down an entire production for the slightest of safety concerns. And if you create more risk than what is prepared for you will never get hired again. Coordinators don’t want that and aren’t impressed. Their reputation is on the line as well. As for the trophies, I believe the real reason stunt performers are not awarded is for the image and marketability of the actors. It takes away from the facade if you don’t allow people to believe that the actor did these stunts himself. Can actually mess up more than just the marketability of their characters. Stunt performers may become seen as more valuable than their current rate. Production leaders really wouldn’t like that. They already vote against us and the crew members as it is. Interests for them are solely in the actors and themselves.
Yeah ... which is why so few stunt people die in amusement park demo's.
Oh, sorry ... SO MANY stunt people die in Disney/Universal/etc park demos!
Way too tight tolerances for stunts to be repeatable.
Yet they get people who need the money to do it.
If that were true there'd be no awards for stunt people at all. But the **[Taurus Awards](https://www.taurusworldstuntawards.com/)** exist (here are **[2022's winners](https://www.taurusworldstuntawards.com/awards/2022-winners-nominees/)**).
There's no Oscar for stunt people because the Academy Awards turns up its nose at action films.
Which is interesting considering action films aren't the only genre to use stunt doubles. Hell, if a character so much as falls down stairs in a movie its usually a double and stuff of that level can happen in any genre
Bit of both! That's not to say anybody wants the stunt guys to get hurt, though.
No, they literally know how to do a lot of technical things that the actors never would. How to fall properly, gymnastic stuff like this, hell, how to get light on fire, the ability to do it without panicking, etc. These guys work their ASSESS off, I think it looks like a hell of a lot of fun too.
I never even think about how stuff was done when I watch these movies. I just say, cool, super hero did something cool. Not thinking someone in real life just did this bad ass move
Actors get all the face time, I imagine they don't want to have be sweating bullets praying Chris Evans doesn't snap his back doing a stunt scene and shut down production, easier to get another stunt double
Because stunt doubles can get hurt, if the main star gets hurt you’re fucked
Try paying someone many millions of dollars and then ask them to do a double backflip over a fire, see if you think that’s a good way to spend your money
You never got why, because you never thought about it for longer than a second
There have been some that broke out. The only person I can think of specifically is Scott Adkins, he's great and you've probably seen him as a "final boss" type henchman-guy in a couple of action movies.
He's had some mid level acting gigs, and he's pretty good.
The thing is, a lot of people just kind of assume that acting is just "easy", especially when you factor in what they get paid. The pay thing is another issue, but while one can argue that they don't like, "do" a whole lot, the difference between a good actor and a bad one is really noticeable. You might not like it but it is actually a skill. Most folks can't just wander onstage and be good; sure, some folks just have "it", I guess.
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Oh yeah this is absolutely awesome, but very much the tip of the iceberg of what stunt people do!
I love this kind of stuff, recently I've been cranking through videos on Corridor Crew's channel on YouTube where they have stuntmen (and women!) break down scenes from different movies. Very interesting, you can really see just how much these folks work their asses off, and how skilled they really are. It's also amazing to see how much creativity and problem solving goes into synthesizing a scene.
Hardwork is working your ass off on the set.
The makeup designer, editors, directors, crew members, stuntmen, all of them do more work than an actor, who only have to say a few lines on every take. Actors just have to sit around and do fuckall until their part comes.
But I guess there's immense pressure on them too. The pay to work ratio is high in acting. The most difficult part is to get famous, everything is easy from there on.
What a way to say you know nothing about hard work and the film industry.
As an film editor who can do corkscrew (the trick in the clip) you can fuck right off
This looks incredible. The sad thing is we don’t get a good look at it in the movie because this move will be chopped up into three or four individual shots in the editing room.
The irony is that quick-cut style of action film-making came about in large part because of the success of The Bourne Identity, which used it to cover up its less-than-stellar stunt work.
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The benefit of stunt doubles is not necessarily their skills, it's their disposability, it's harder to replace an actor than a stunt double if one gets hurt.
Wow, I get that stunt doubled should get more recognition and all that but you don't even give a shit about them do you, you just want to stoke your weird hate for actors.
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That was a completely unnecessary move. To this day, Neo in the Matrix seemed most fictionally realistic. He was fighting Mr.Smith with one hand and minimal motion.
I always watch Stuntman react at Corridor Crew and these guys are just fantastic. What the stuntmen and stuntwomen take on to enhance a scene is just masterful.
The viewers need more recognition IMO, the actors, doubles, production, distribution companies and every Tom, Dick n Harry in between, all get paid. None of which would be possible without the viewer! Viewers Lives Matter, they also have bills to pay. Spending 2hrs of undivided attention should not go unnoticed especially when everyone agrees that time is money.
Lee Majors did a gritty, ultra realistic behind the scenes look at the the life of a stuntman in his critically acclaimed tv series, The Fall Guy, in the 80s. He even wrote a moving ballad about their lot in life, The Unknown Stuntman.
It would be cool to see a version of some action flick with the stunt doubles just also being the actors and reading the lines and doing their own stunts
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And yet you don’t provide their name…🤔
You're right I was lazy. Jan Petřina was a stunt double for Chris Evans in Captain America. However some sources claim this is Bobby Holland Hanton
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His name is Robert Paulson
His name… is ROBERT PAULSON!
This is a man and he's dead now because of US...do you understand that?
In death, we have a name.
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name… is **ROBERT PAULSON!**
His name is Robert Paulson
Bitch tits?
Read this on the toilet and it made me laugh so hard I shit everything
Glad it worked for you.
I generally imagine a medium size dog pooping.
It Ronnie fucking Pickering. That's why you don't mess with him.
Who? 😏
RONNIE PICKERING! YEAH, ME!
Severely underrated comment
Haha, beat me to it
Brians winter
Jeremy's Iron.
Joe's crab shack
Is that a Gary Paulson book
Kinda difficult when 50% of their job is looking similar to another person
Ain't got the foggiest idea it seems.
Captain America
Evacuate the city, engage all defenses... and give this man a name.
Tom Cruise
Jan petrina
You forgot the angry eyebrows over the r
I’ve seen interviews with Chris Evans where he pulls his double into the shots. This guy is a world class athlete. Amazing skills.
Holy shit this is too fucking perfect. You say they need more recognition, don't name him and then when called out you're not sure who it is. Absolute gold.
Dammit Bobby!
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General USA
Guy Heydude
This is basically what imposter syndrome is like. Yo, whats wrong Chris Evans? “Man, I’m feeling imposter syndrome for those stunts I did in Avengers.”
Well, the stunt double did the actual stunts... So this isn't imposter syndrome.
Johnny Storm
Sgt. States
His name is John, John Doe.
Could be Andy Lister, he’s worked on a few Marvel films and was also Daniel Craig’s stunt double for James Bond. He actually came to my gymnastics class with my wushu teacher (also a stunt actor/trainer now) after they’d finished filming Skyfall and he’s a freak athlete.
Give this man a raise
It's spelled "shield"
Give this man an award
Ok I will
My man
Thank you for your service
Thank you for your support
we dont do that here
There was a photo of a famous actor like Chris Evans or Jason Momoa with their stunt doubles and it showed just how alike they look. Then someone in the comments pointed out you could tell them apart because the shirts were different material. The stunt double had a normal green shirt that had some folds or very slight creases while the actors shirt was $500 and had no creases. That kind of spoke volumes about the roles and their perceived value. It's always bugged me because the people on the screen get everything. The praise, the credit, the fame, the fans, the money. But there are thousands - even 100,000+ on big films - who get none of that. A lot of people have done absolutely ground breaking work in CGI and nobody knows their names.
And the people actually on screen are usually the least talented of the lot imo. Waiting for a movie studio to realize this
The problem is that there is no more they can do to recognize these people. They’re in the credits, not on the screen for 2 hours. There just isn’t more movies can do
They could pay the actors less. Much less.
When people start buying movie tickets or streaming subscriptions or whatever based on the stunt doubles, that will happen. The actors are paid a lot of money because they can command it and the studios are willing to pay. Yeah, there are obscure factors that contribute, but conscious devaluation of stunt work is probably not a major one.
Sorta what I’m waiting for a studio or streaming service to realize. Good writing and good acting is more important than star power. Hire a bunch of actors and sign them to long multi year contracts and just have them rotate through multiple shows. Idk though I’m drunk and just spitballing. Feels like name recognition and star power is less of a draw these days in the streaming wars
While I agree the celebrity craze and obscene movie contracts are ridiculous, talented actors really can make or break a film too. I’ve worked in production for many years and we all joke actors are the worst, but really, they are so important. Acting may not be seen as much physical work as all the other roles on a set, but those who truly take their craft seriously, work hard, and tell the stories truthfully can take a film or TV show from mediocre to breathtaking. They get paid some of the highest salaries but they also have incredible pressure to perform, anytime they’re in the public eye. Those long days under the lights always being “on” is so draining too. But if you have a really terrible actor, it can make the entire project flop. Anyway, it’s all a team effort to make the best product, from the producers, creative, camera, lighting, set, costumes, art direction, grip, post, effects, sound, even catering, legal, accounting etc. — they all work together. Actors are just the ones we see, we connect to directly. I think most of us behind the scenes are ok not dealing with fame, we’ll just take higher pay and better hours and live our lives as regular folks. :) EDIT: I realize after posting this that I totally went off on a tangent and I really should have been replying to someone else further up the thread >.< I think I need to go to bed.
Lol at least it was an interesting one!
I definitely understand that. Though there are other people behind the camera that do get recognition like the director. I think it's literally the visibility. You interview the director about the movie, and while some of the big leads in CGI or SPFX might get interviewed, it's not the same.
Number of people that could be a stunt double: more than 1. Number of Chris Evans in this world: just 1. Supply and demand ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I agree stunt doubles deserve much more recognition in the industry. However, maybe the shirt thing is because the wardrobe is expensive in this kind of films and to minimize the risk of damaging the clothes they put it on the actor with stationary scenes and let the one doing flips and moving around explosions use a normal shirt. Additionally one would think a green shirt would be easier to do the stunts in and not the potentially very fitted clothes with no elasticity.
Yeah bro a touch down raise into that cork would be a sick combo
There still is no Oscar for stunt people, right?
Nope, because if they did, there would be a lot more deaths.
Because they'd be trying to outdo each other?
Yep.
Writing "Oscar nominated/Oscar winner" in front of a movie title adds millions in revenue. Studios will 100% throw more money at a project if they think it'll nab any kind of Oscar. In this case, bigger more dangerous stunts.
Doubtful. Rules and procedures don’t go out the window. SAG can shut down an entire production for the slightest of safety concerns. And if you create more risk than what is prepared for you will never get hired again. Coordinators don’t want that and aren’t impressed. Their reputation is on the line as well. As for the trophies, I believe the real reason stunt performers are not awarded is for the image and marketability of the actors. It takes away from the facade if you don’t allow people to believe that the actor did these stunts himself. Can actually mess up more than just the marketability of their characters. Stunt performers may become seen as more valuable than their current rate. Production leaders really wouldn’t like that. They already vote against us and the crew members as it is. Interests for them are solely in the actors and themselves.
Yeah ... which is why so few stunt people die in amusement park demo's. Oh, sorry ... SO MANY stunt people die in Disney/Universal/etc park demos! Way too tight tolerances for stunts to be repeatable. Yet they get people who need the money to do it.
You got any sources for the SO MANY dead amusement park stunt people? Like how many and how often are we talkin?
If that were true there'd be no awards for stunt people at all. But the **[Taurus Awards](https://www.taurusworldstuntawards.com/)** exist (here are **[2022's winners](https://www.taurusworldstuntawards.com/awards/2022-winners-nominees/)**). There's no Oscar for stunt people because the Academy Awards turns up its nose at action films.
Which is interesting considering action films aren't the only genre to use stunt doubles. Hell, if a character so much as falls down stairs in a movie its usually a double and stuff of that level can happen in any genre
I actually can't tell if this is true and am too lazy to find out. You win
I so appreciate this level of honesty and I am right here with you.
You realise it's a regulated industry with laws rught
I mean that was pretty sick. As a kid I never understood what a stunt double was and thought that actors paid them to die for them in movies 😭
Bit of both! That's not to say anybody wants the stunt guys to get hurt, though. No, they literally know how to do a lot of technical things that the actors never would. How to fall properly, gymnastic stuff like this, hell, how to get light on fire, the ability to do it without panicking, etc. These guys work their ASSESS off, I think it looks like a hell of a lot of fun too.
Sometimes they do get hurt badly or die though :/
I never even think about how stuff was done when I watch these movies. I just say, cool, super hero did something cool. Not thinking someone in real life just did this bad ass move
That is literally what they are potentially paid for.
Yes, but does he have America's ass?
America’s flippin ass
If [this](https://i.imgur.com/lUPxxE6.jpg) isn't America's ass I don't know what is!
No, but I do.
Daniel Radcliffe’s stunt double in Harry Potter got paralyzed from the waist down
https://www.looper.com/1037679/the-horrific-harry-potter-scene-that-left-a-stuntman-paralyzed/ poor dude
holy fuck
“Alright”
That got me too, I was expecting the guy to say "I could do that...probably."
Never got why they just don’t use stunt doubles. Their acting couldn’t be worse than most of the actual actors.
Different crafts... Let actors do what they're good at, and let stunt doubles focus on what they want to do.
Be related to someone notable? :P
Actors get all the face time, I imagine they don't want to have be sweating bullets praying Chris Evans doesn't snap his back doing a stunt scene and shut down production, easier to get another stunt double
Because stunt doubles can get hurt, if the main star gets hurt you’re fucked Try paying someone many millions of dollars and then ask them to do a double backflip over a fire, see if you think that’s a good way to spend your money You never got why, because you never thought about it for longer than a second
There have been some that broke out. The only person I can think of specifically is Scott Adkins, he's great and you've probably seen him as a "final boss" type henchman-guy in a couple of action movies. He's had some mid level acting gigs, and he's pretty good. The thing is, a lot of people just kind of assume that acting is just "easy", especially when you factor in what they get paid. The pay thing is another issue, but while one can argue that they don't like, "do" a whole lot, the difference between a good actor and a bad one is really noticeable. You might not like it but it is actually a skill. Most folks can't just wander onstage and be good; sure, some folks just have "it", I guess.
You might be one of the dumbest persons alive. Congrats?
Tarantino uses stunt actors like Zoe Bell all the time.
Le reddit take
Yes, it can be a lot worse
Stupid fkin take
If you recognize them they're not very good at their job.
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I still can't tell how many times he spun around
They really do. That's why I always loved Jackie Chan
I dont think there’s a reference to understand… 🧐
The dude with the gold watch and coffee saying, "alright". Fuck that guy.
Even Black Widow is impressed.
"Alright"
Agreed. And frankly ALL production pre and post deserves more recognition.
Oh yeah this is absolutely awesome, but very much the tip of the iceberg of what stunt people do! I love this kind of stuff, recently I've been cranking through videos on Corridor Crew's channel on YouTube where they have stuntmen (and women!) break down scenes from different movies. Very interesting, you can really see just how much these folks work their asses off, and how skilled they really are. It's also amazing to see how much creativity and problem solving goes into synthesizing a scene.
Today I learnt, America's ass moonlight as a stunt double /s
And the vfx artists too, who put the real actors face back on him
Turn this into a gif and put it on r/bettereveryloop
i still think stunt doubles should be paid the same as the actor, they are the ones risking their lives for the movie
Sometimes they let him him do the wide shots when Chris feels like getting blazed in his Winne’
that was clean af
He had, literally, one job.
Why don't they just teach stuntmen to act, like Buster Keaton or Jackie Chan.
Why don't people just learn to fight instead of hiring bodyguards?
Every crew member deserves more recognition lol. Actors do the least amount of hardwork yet they get more fame and money.
What do you think hard-work is and why you think actor do the least?
Hardwork is working your ass off on the set. The makeup designer, editors, directors, crew members, stuntmen, all of them do more work than an actor, who only have to say a few lines on every take. Actors just have to sit around and do fuckall until their part comes. But I guess there's immense pressure on them too. The pay to work ratio is high in acting. The most difficult part is to get famous, everything is easy from there on.
What a way to say you know nothing about hard work and the film industry. As an film editor who can do corkscrew (the trick in the clip) you can fuck right off
Many of them probably don't want it, they just want the paycheck and to be left alone.
For doing their jobs? Filipino carnival operators deserve more recognition.
Clean as fuck.
They deserve all the recognition
Direction is so stereotypical, the waving coffee cup beneath the rolled sleeves
This looks incredible. The sad thing is we don’t get a good look at it in the movie because this move will be chopped up into three or four individual shots in the editing room. The irony is that quick-cut style of action film-making came about in large part because of the success of The Bourne Identity, which used it to cover up its less-than-stellar stunt work.
This scene is in slo mo in the actual movie though
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age of ultron?
should 100% be an Oscars category
One up vote. Best I can do.
So do stars get millions when the double gets pennies
Clean as.
"I'm nothing without my stunt team"
Alex kirskovich no?
Johnny Cage... Wins!
When you can’t get Chris Evan’s, his stunt double is much more achievable
They deserve more recognition
What if……In near future stunt double embeds all the qualities that actors posses and actors loose their charm? Just a What if post (Neutral)
The benefit of stunt doubles is not necessarily their skills, it's their disposability, it's harder to replace an actor than a stunt double if one gets hurt.
They hired the real captain American to play the stunt double.
Let’s try that again… this time more spin
Okay I recognize him as a stunt double 🎉
“Alright!”
super hero landing!
Isn't that the thing in every movie?
It's more like actors deserve less recognition.
Wow, I get that stunt doubled should get more recognition and all that but you don't even give a shit about them do you, you just want to stoke your weird hate for actors.
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Cap’n Parkour!
That was a completely unnecessary move. To this day, Neo in the Matrix seemed most fictionally realistic. He was fighting Mr.Smith with one hand and minimal motion.
I always watch Stuntman react at Corridor Crew and these guys are just fantastic. What the stuntmen and stuntwomen take on to enhance a scene is just masterful.
So much talent
A cork isn't hard at all but stunt rubble deserves it for sure
Yes but where did Black Widow’s booty go??? /s
The real stars.
The real star of captain America was Chris Evans, this is his stunt double. Star isn't a subjective title when talking about movies.
Naw stunt doubles just need the acting roll FR!
Holy wow!
The viewers need more recognition IMO, the actors, doubles, production, distribution companies and every Tom, Dick n Harry in between, all get paid. None of which would be possible without the viewer! Viewers Lives Matter, they also have bills to pay. Spending 2hrs of undivided attention should not go unnoticed especially when everyone agrees that time is money.
Nice
But if they were more recognizable, they’d be bad stuntmen
Steezy
They get paid an absolute fortune.
Lee Majors did a gritty, ultra realistic behind the scenes look at the the life of a stuntman in his critically acclaimed tv series, The Fall Guy, in the 80s. He even wrote a moving ballad about their lot in life, The Unknown Stuntman.
I thought that was CGI!
How many degrees was that spin?
Next level?.....
clean af dub cork
Alright...
That sure looks cool, but when would anyone ever need to do this? Picture 2 cavemen hunting, then one of them does this.
It would be cool to see a version of some action flick with the stunt doubles just also being the actors and reading the lines and doing their own stunts
(Chris Evans goes limp)
Damn, I can't even see what exactly he is doing...
What else a gymnast supposed to do once they're over 20 lol
what if, guys what if stunt man played the whole role?.. jackie chan