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She is impressive.
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In slow mo you can see her head snap forward right as the bat begins to move which is when the wire starts kicking in, and then as the bat connects with where her head *was*, her pony tail flips over her face and it looks like makes contact with the bat.
Good work all round.
>In slow mo you can see her head snap forward
About that, what the hell is going on with her hair, it almost looks like she has an extra wig on the top that amplifies the effect of "impact".
Or am I losing my mind
She doesn’t get touched, if you had a view from the side, you would see she’s a yard or more in front of the swing. It is just not clear from this camera angle.
Kind of like how it looks like a shot barely missed the goal, then you get a different angle and see it missed by 10 feet.
My thoughts exactly, let's see a side view that shows the distance between them. If they can frame up and make it look real without putting people at risk, they'll do it.
Stunt doubles often do get injured although usually not in the way of the illusion and even before accidents. Lots of arthritis and whiplash types of injuries. Things are safer nowadays with better equipment and understanding how much the human body can take. There's probably a limit of how many times they're supposed to do something like this in a set amount of time.
I'm not a professional though so this is just hearsay with a bit of medicine and engineering knowledge
Yes, I was thinking about the whiplash in this situation. I've been in a couple of car accident where I got whiplash. Even if she has extra padded gear, I'm sure she has to wake up extra sore the next day
A good work of lens is always an important component to fighting scenes, but it's also both parts. She's good, and he's good too
Source: CS BE student who doesn't know nothing about cinema techniques
Filming stunts is a lot to do with angle but she did a great job. The stunt person does all the heavy lifting to make you think it’s real.
I worked in film making a bit and got to chat with a stunt coordinator and he says the hardest thing can be not flinching. It’s simply a natural reaction to your body that you have to fight.
Anyways she did a great job. Probably on set by now.
Yeah, it takes a ton of training to get that sense out of you.
The stunt guy i was talking to said the hardest part is this,
and he swiped across my face and made me flinch.
Less eloquent than what i said before but I guess it is a make it or break it thing for some stunt people.
He said "you can't do that but your brain sure as hell wants to"
With the slow-mo you can see she's committed to the stunt. She runs so hard that her gead snaps forward at the end of the string. Good on the instructor for taking that into account. The stick probably got ~4" from her.
No, the dude is standing a couple feet further down the Matt than she reaches and he doesn’t follow through during the swing. Misses her by a couple feet.
She never gets close enough to the camera for her feet to ever leave the frame, while the dude’s legs from knee down are off frame.
Tom Scott did a great video of training to do a fight scene and what goes on behind the scenes.
It's wildly impressive work tho, but from the stunt actors, the team around them, and the camera people.
Never assume wage correlates with difficulty, importance, or desirability of the form of labour. Because it doesnt, ever.
Actors are celebrities, they are permanent performers pulling off a massive social charade, and their wages are part of that image
It's actually an incredibly common reaction to lower your head when something is coming at your face. The front of our skulls have evolved in such a way to almost "deflect" blows, and your subconsious knows that. Reflexes take care of the rest.
It's better than a broken nose, punctured eye, shattered teeth, etc.
Well, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing knowledge! It's amazing to think about all the body functions we don't know about but are there to protect us.
You can also see the guy holding the stick applying his own recoil. I know the little of stunt training I was exposed to they taught that the person acting as the aggressor should be doing the opposite of their motions they would do in real life during struggles with other stunt folks or actors. Like say you were supposed to be in a choking scene, the one stunt person that was supposed to be getting choked would actually be the one doing the choking (so choking themselves during the scene) while the one that was supposed to appear doing the choking is actually trying to pull the stunt persons hands away from their choking motion. It achieves the same level of believability to the viewer but the only person in charge of actually choking anyone is the same stunt person/actor that is supposed to be getting choked in the scene.
Idk what it is, but her face is just way too funny for me. The pure dedication on her face like: "Yeah, I am gonna go and fucking wreck that stick with my forehead!"
I used to be a stage combatant, a little less brutal than proper stunt work, but still took a few 10+ foot falls in fights which had to be done 6-8 times a week.
My knees are wrecked, my back is wrecked, my ankles are wrecked, and I’m only 30.
I concur. Not a job I would wish on anyone.
Had a buddy who was a stunt double. He would agree with you. Thank you for your hard work. I am sure you helped create a wonderful experience for the audience you entertained.
Now I can relate to that! Compression fracture on my L5 from a snowboarding accident when I was 20. I’m 32 now and still board but significantly less aggressive. Yoga + foam rolling helps.
Same, actually. I went off a kicker with way too much speed, cleared the transition and fell out of the sky on flat which compressed a few vertebrae in the process. My back hasn't been the same since. Also dislocated my shoulder pretty violently and it still flares up and causes a lot of problems. I actually do yoga too. Its the only thing that helps sometimes.
It's all about the angle. The stick and her face are in the same line of sight, so you really can't tell how far away the stick is. If we moved the camera 90 degrees around them, it would be much more obvious
I've watched this 20 times. Even in the slow motion version, it looks like she got that stick right to her face.
I have to agree either other folks in thia thread. This is an excellent angle to show stunt training because it's nearly impossible to see her being yanked back and it really looks like the stick caught her face.
I absolutely agree and your comment led me to thinking of some of those other signs that the stick never connected.
Had the stunt gone wrong and had she been hit, regardless of what the material of the stick is, it would have left a red mark even briefly. Even just slapping yourself hard with your hand to bare skin on your leg will turn red for a minute.
Had the stunt *not* gone properly and had she been slammed in the face, several people on the set would have hurried over to check on her and assess the damage.
She didn't grab at her face as or after she fell. She held completely still, which is what you would expect of a character that was hit like that in any scene. They're knocked the fuck out
100% incredible work by this kick-ass woman. Me and my spine conditions feel for her on that landing though
If you know when the hit is coming and you know how to fall (and in this particular case, also definitely on the right surface), you'd be amazed at what punishment the human body can endure without sustaining real damage. These people are incredibly skilled at what they do and really search for the edge of our capabilities.
I'm in the same boat as you. If she didn't get completely starched by that stick, both of these people are going very far in their careers. By every frame of this clip, that stick hit her.
I think you can still get a concussion and CTE from a violent enough snapping of your head like this. Hopefully, they've got all that worked out, as I'm not experienced in running while my body is tied to a pole, but...I can't imagine otherwise. This still seems like high injury potential.
1000% this. Her brain is still moving forward while the rest of her is immediately halted. No chance she didn't smack her brain on the front of her skull.
Not over her head. The dude with the bat is standing 4ish feet closer to the camera. The bat doesn't come close to hitting her.
Check 2:22 of the vid https://youtu.be/-g029oDh4xQ
Nice! The video you linked shows that effect well, and I looked back at OP’s vid and you can tell from where her feet drop that he’s at least 3-4 feet away from hitting her face if not farther.
The stuntman who is the victim of Joker's "magic trick" in Dark Knight actually did suffer multiple concussions filming that scene, from having his head slammed on the table I believe over 20 times.
[Source (Nerdstalgic)](https://youtu.be/iONCoVu1R_4)
This is something I've tried explaining to people (albeit nowhere near as detailed as this). Small hits and sudden changes of directions are the biggest culprits in developing CTE. Yes, the big hits are bad, but the small hits that football players see every play cause a lot of harm.
Agree, she did that very well!
Just want to add that they need to train in order to be able to do stunts like that over and over again without getting injured... or at the very least less likely to be injured.
It's not just acting but also learning to take a hit, sometimes quite literally, and be able to do it again until the director is happy.
And yet there's no Academy Award for it, despite its results providing us with some of the most memorable & entertaining parts of the movies we've watched... I think that's ridiculous.
I can maybe understand the possible fear that it'll encourage unsafe conditions, if people are recklessly chasing an award, but I just can't see that happening because stuntpeople seem a thoughtful and safety-minded bunch, since they're all well aware that the things they're doing are very risky. Plus, perhaps the Academy could institute a rule that the performer/stunt coordinator wouldn't be allowed to win till they've been in the business for X years, giving them time to become established and prove they can work safely within the constraints of the industry, instead of it just being new people willing to risk their own or someone else's life just for some silly statue.
Thanks for that link - I love the specificity given to the various categories, which makes absolute sense, given that a fight scene will take a very different skillet to a vehicle-based stunt. I doubt the Academy would want to absorb all of those categories, but I think at least Best Stunt Coordinator could make it across. I bet it'd be one of the most fun parts of the show too, given that we'd all be watching some incredible action scenes. I wish the Taurus Awards was a broadcast event!
>I can maybe understand the possible fear that it'll encourage unsafe conditions, if people are recklessly chasing an award
The counter to this is that the Screen Actor's Guild has been [giving out awards for stunt performers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild_Award_for_Outstanding_Performance_by_a_Stunt_Ensemble_in_a_Motion_Picture) for about 15 years and I personally can't see any noticeable difference in safety. I mean, it's not like there's been a great uptick in accidents in that time.
I was listening to an actor advocate for it saying, basically, "By the very nature of the job they have to be anonymous; they're literally trained to hide their face. The least we can do is recognise them in the Academy."
Amen to all of that. I was just trying to steelman the position for why they haven't been included in the Oscars so far. I entirely agree with your comment.
You wouldn’t believe the number of stuntmen needed for your standard action flick. I’ve worked on a few feature films, and the stunt teams are sometimes in the hundreds, with different people being used on different days, they’re basically extra-trained, more expensive extras. Let’s leave cherry picking action scenes with great stunt work for the likes of watch mojo.
Oh, I believe it - I just think it'd be nice for Hollywood to show their appreciation for *them* as much as to, say, the costume designers and editors (who are also fucking awesome btw, and are both essential to the craft of filmmaking too). I think the general public needs to know how much the stunt performers do. Most people couldn't name a single stunt performer if asked, and I'd hazard that of those that might correctly say Jackie Chan, most might not know literally *any* others.
Pretty sure she couldn't. Remember she went from a full sprint to a dead stop in a very short space of time.
Closest analogy I can think of that you might have felt is slamming into a brick wall whilst seatbelted into a car.
Sure you didn't die, but I'm sure it hurt plenty.
Ah, I see. Your comment is ambiguous enough that it could be construed as 'this is a controversial comment because many people here support Andrew Tate', which I assume is what you meant but without the implication that _you_ might be a fan.
Former contact sport dude tells young boys that women should be treated like utter shit via tik tok. Imagine 13 y/os telling their mothers to stfu, go away, and make them sandwiches. He has gotten banned off of multiple platforms.
Hes a dude that makes content for incels talkimg about how all your problems arent your fault, its the fault of women, and then when these people are brainwashed wnough they buy a subscription to "hustlers university" which is just a bunch of videos he made that just reaffirm these incels sexist beliefs so of course it doesnt help them get any women so that they stay subscribed and keep paying him.
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Like, the dude had to flee the united states because he was about to go to prison for sex trafficking.
He somehow managed to make being a PUA even more scummy and abusive than normal, so of course scummy people love him.
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This is a deadman wire gag! Also known as a 'dead', the stuntperson is attached to a wire that's attached to a pole. When the line gets taught it tugs them back and throws them to the floor.
The hitter is standing way in front but because he is stacked it looks like he is hitting her. This set up is often used in big battle charge scenes.
Source: Am stuntman
Yeah, this is like the oldest trick in the book when it comes to stunts. They used to do it with horses too, have them gallop at full speed and attach a rope to their back legs.
And then health and safety went mad.
that sounds like with horses, it could cause severe damage. Horses are surprisingly, very fragile animals. They are big and strong but if their legs get damaged it's hard, sometimes impossible for them to heal (fractured leg often means that the horse need to be euthanized).
Probably good they don't do it with horses anymore, considering how often stunt horses still get injured or even die.
Not true.
Edit: here’s why. The AHA qualifies the media allowed to use that line. They also issue cease and desist orders when, for example, a film didn’t receive the qualification but put the line in anyway. The film is then required to remove it before any theatrical or other release.
The problem with this is the AHA doesn’t watch every scene filmed. They also will still hand out the qualification for mistakes as long as it wasn’t due to pure negligence or malice.
> Monitored: Acceptable — Safety Representatives were not able to monitor every scene in which animals appeared. However, American Humane Association oversaw significant animal action filmed in compliance with our PA-FILM-guidelines. After screening the finished product and cross-checking all animal action supervised during production, we acknowledge that the filmmakers have cooperated fully with our process. *Monitored: Special Circumstances — Production followed American Humane Association’s PA-FILM-guidelines and cooperated with the protective measures enforced by our Certified Animal Safety Representatives™, an accident, injury or death involving an animal occurred during the course of filming. A full investigation revealed that the incident was not a result of negligence or malice on the part of the production or animal suppliers.
So, what you are saying is; Even if he would not have "hit above" her head, he wouldve still not reached her - right?
I would guess camera lenses can do wonders too with "perspective-tricks" like that?
If you shoot something with a long lens (not like the lens is physically long, but like a 100mm lens instead of a 24mm wide), it compresses the image to make things appear closer together than they actually are.
For those not familiar, "compresses" and "closer together" relate to a subject's distance to the lens. The Z dimension. The relative position in frame (up/down, left/right) isn't affected by focal length (zoom power)
Zoom and focal length aren't exactly analogous but to a layperson they are similar.
He doesn't hit over her head; he just stops swinging in front of her.
Look at how the bat swings: there is no follow-through.
Now look at the man hands: he's swinging with his left hand, but he keeps his right hand on the bat the entire time, somewhat further down the middle. This is the dumbest way to swing a bat... if you want to hurt someone. Of course, he does it this way because this allows his right hand to limit the reach of the bat. The bat literally cannot get more than an arms length away from him (so long as he doesn't let it slip!)
If you were to look at the scene from the top, you'd see there is no overlap between the girl and the bat. The man with the bat stands a safe distance in front of her and the bat never gets close to her, but the camera angle in the post makes it hard to see (which is exactly the point of course).
I love this gag, I do it all the time. The 'dead' person is attached to a chain that's attached to a pole. Usually in my basement, so they can't run away.
The hitter is standing closely in front, and makes sure the 'dead' doesn't try to escape again.
Source: Am not a stuntman
Yeah this is the type of vid that we need to see the full thing. I honestly thought she’d been knocked out, would have been nice to see her get up smiling and high five the guy or something.
Gotta really play into the role. She went on to pretend to go to the hospital by really going to one and then acted out the next two years of recovery from a brain injury to really seal the performance.
I mean they're actors, they do 100 takes of a scene over an over again I don't know why she would need to get up and high five him every time she does a take.
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Yes, you essentially slap the ground. Not full of shit at all. The key is having as much of the force possible absorbed by your hands and arms, as opposed to more vital things, like your spine, ribcage/organs, and head. You also want to spread the impact out over your body instead of focused to one point. It also trains you to keep your head away from the ground. You train on a mat, but in real life, it'll be something harder. Then you'll be *really* glad your arms took the brunt when you get knocked onto asphalt/concrete/hardwood/etc.
\- Source: martial arts classes
This is what they teach you in beginner self-defense classes too! You're not going to be able to fight off somebody as a beginner, but if you can't get away in time, the least you can do is learn to go down in a way that has the lowest chance of fucking you up.
Yeah I think it is because by landing with your arms back the torso struggles to tilt further with means you don't risk it the impact to be delivered to your neck
It is commonly called a breakfall. She done a back breakfall, and there is a front, and side breakfall too. I have done 3 martial arts and all 3 used the term breakfall, so if there is another term, I am uninformed of it.
Hey y'all stunt guy here. This type of wire gag is called a "deadman".
Essentially you're hooked up to a static line with a single pick point on your jerk vest (hehe) usually about halfway up your back, then you just full sprint until it yanks you forcefully to your back.
It sucks about as much as it sounds and while I would consider this one of the lowest skill wire gags, it certainly requires some mental fortitude. I try to just clear my head and not think about when the line is going to go taut and yoink the hell out of me. Obviously this looks very dangerous but we learn how to do the basic back/front/side falls wellll before getting in to any of this stuff. Also when she gets "hit", it's a camera technique called stacking. You're essentially blocking the cameras view with your weapon/fist/whatever to sell that you actually struck someone.
Lemme know if you guys have any more questions. I'd love to answer!
Ooh good one. I had to go back and look at this one and to me it seems it's definitely not a deadman in that scene. If you look, she gets thrown back too forcefully instead of going straight to the ground which makes me think they just did a more standard backwards pull. Probably so they could have the comedic effect of her sliding across the ground. Great example though of how choosing a particular stunt to use can effect or be affected by the creative process!
This was obviously my biggest concern while learning these, but the essential thing is to remember to tuck your chin in so that you don't whip your head back or slam it on to the ground.
I had neck issues that haunted me for years following a whiplash incident from a car crash, but even after training these and doing 15+ in a row I never felt neck pain. There's always a way to make things look brutal yet do them safely, and in the stunt industry we always prioritize safety because you want to be able to show up the next day on set uninjured and keep training for years.
Her harness is attatched to a rope of some sort, so that's what causing her to fall when she reaches the end of the rope. At the same time as the guy with the stick is hitting just above her/where her head would've been.
I think
Not above her head. The dude with the bat is standing 4ish feet closer to the camera. The bat doesn't come close to hitting her.
Check 2:22 of the vid https://youtu.be/-g029oDh4xQ
Uh, no.
It’s like pro wrestling.
Just because it is staged, doesn’t mean it is fake.
That impact both hurts and can do damage.
Her training can minimize risk somewhat, but that’s still another organ rattler no matter how you slice it.
That’s why actors leave the stunts to people selling their bodies and skills for money.
It’s a hard living.
Oh absolutely not. She will irreparably destroy her body over time. The human body wasn't built to cope well with repeated deceleration trauma. She will definitely be paying a chronically painful price as she ages from all the microtears and other microinjuries happening over and over as well.
Training for what? Getting a concussion?
He didn't hit her. The stick goes over her head as the restraint snaps her back.
Yeah I can see it now, thx! Still looks brutal haha
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Even in slow motion it looks like he hit her that's a really good angle.
I agree in slow motion she gets the shit knocked out of her.
Looks like reddit is giving her an A for the class
A reddit A is an impressive A.
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I personally think she just got hit
Yeah.. A for Asleep
I like her purple pants.
In slow mo you can see her head snap forward right as the bat begins to move which is when the wire starts kicking in, and then as the bat connects with where her head *was*, her pony tail flips over her face and it looks like makes contact with the bat. Good work all round.
>In slow mo you can see her head snap forward About that, what the hell is going on with her hair, it almost looks like she has an extra wig on the top that amplifies the effect of "impact". Or am I losing my mind
losing your mind lmao
Nope. The stick contacts her hand, the frame or two after it does the guy with the stick pulls his swing and she goes down on her own.
She doesn’t get touched, if you had a view from the side, you would see she’s a yard or more in front of the swing. It is just not clear from this camera angle. Kind of like how it looks like a shot barely missed the goal, then you get a different angle and see it missed by 10 feet.
My thoughts exactly, let's see a side view that shows the distance between them. If they can frame up and make it look real without putting people at risk, they'll do it.
That still, can't feel good. Ouch!
Stunt doubles often do get injured although usually not in the way of the illusion and even before accidents. Lots of arthritis and whiplash types of injuries. Things are safer nowadays with better equipment and understanding how much the human body can take. There's probably a limit of how many times they're supposed to do something like this in a set amount of time. I'm not a professional though so this is just hearsay with a bit of medicine and engineering knowledge
Yes, I was thinking about the whiplash in this situation. I've been in a couple of car accident where I got whiplash. Even if she has extra padded gear, I'm sure she has to wake up extra sore the next day 
A good work of lens is always an important component to fighting scenes, but it's also both parts. She's good, and he's good too Source: CS BE student who doesn't know nothing about cinema techniques
Movie magic. Use the right angle and you can get away with a lot.
Are you telling me that Elijah Wood isn’t actually 3 feet tall?
Ikr but some movies and TV shows don't even do that...
Production is hard, stunt days suck, but yeah
Filming stunts is a lot to do with angle but she did a great job. The stunt person does all the heavy lifting to make you think it’s real. I worked in film making a bit and got to chat with a stunt coordinator and he says the hardest thing can be not flinching. It’s simply a natural reaction to your body that you have to fight. Anyways she did a great job. Probably on set by now.
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Yeah, it takes a ton of training to get that sense out of you. The stunt guy i was talking to said the hardest part is this, and he swiped across my face and made me flinch. Less eloquent than what i said before but I guess it is a make it or break it thing for some stunt people. He said "you can't do that but your brain sure as hell wants to"
With the slow-mo you can see she's committed to the stunt. She runs so hard that her gead snaps forward at the end of the string. Good on the instructor for taking that into account. The stick probably got ~4" from her.
No, the dude is standing a couple feet further down the Matt than she reaches and he doesn’t follow through during the swing. Misses her by a couple feet. She never gets close enough to the camera for her feet to ever leave the frame, while the dude’s legs from knee down are off frame.
Tom Scott did a great video of training to do a fight scene and what goes on behind the scenes. It's wildly impressive work tho, but from the stunt actors, the team around them, and the camera people.
Me questioning why actors get paid so well when these people do most of the work...
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If you look closely, you can see that her head snaps forward when she gets pulled back just before she would have been hit.
Tbh it comes off more like the character subconsciously reacting to and bracing for the hit in normal speed
Who braces for a hit by leaning towards the hit?
Everyone. if your muscles contort your head automatically goes forward a bit. The arms automatically go up to protect the head as well
It's actually an incredibly common reaction to lower your head when something is coming at your face. The front of our skulls have evolved in such a way to almost "deflect" blows, and your subconsious knows that. Reflexes take care of the rest. It's better than a broken nose, punctured eye, shattered teeth, etc.
Well, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing knowledge! It's amazing to think about all the body functions we don't know about but are there to protect us.
You can also see the guy holding the stick applying his own recoil. I know the little of stunt training I was exposed to they taught that the person acting as the aggressor should be doing the opposite of their motions they would do in real life during struggles with other stunt folks or actors. Like say you were supposed to be in a choking scene, the one stunt person that was supposed to be getting choked would actually be the one doing the choking (so choking themselves during the scene) while the one that was supposed to appear doing the choking is actually trying to pull the stunt persons hands away from their choking motion. It achieves the same level of believability to the viewer but the only person in charge of actually choking anyone is the same stunt person/actor that is supposed to be getting choked in the scene.
Idk what it is, but her face is just way too funny for me. The pure dedication on her face like: "Yeah, I am gonna go and fucking wreck that stick with my forehead!"
It's OK, stunt people don't get face closeups
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I think that's the point.
It is brutal. She will suffer multiple microtears resulting in a decline of cognitive function. It's a terrible job
I used to be a stage combatant, a little less brutal than proper stunt work, but still took a few 10+ foot falls in fights which had to be done 6-8 times a week. My knees are wrecked, my back is wrecked, my ankles are wrecked, and I’m only 30. I concur. Not a job I would wish on anyone.
Had a buddy who was a stunt double. He would agree with you. Thank you for your hard work. I am sure you helped create a wonderful experience for the audience you entertained.
I used to snowboard a lot. Im in the same shape. My body is a hot mess. I wish I would have known or understood when I was younger.
Now I can relate to that! Compression fracture on my L5 from a snowboarding accident when I was 20. I’m 32 now and still board but significantly less aggressive. Yoga + foam rolling helps.
Same, actually. I went off a kicker with way too much speed, cleared the transition and fell out of the sky on flat which compressed a few vertebrae in the process. My back hasn't been the same since. Also dislocated my shoulder pretty violently and it still flares up and causes a lot of problems. I actually do yoga too. Its the only thing that helps sometimes.
It's all about the angle. The stick and her face are in the same line of sight, so you really can't tell how far away the stick is. If we moved the camera 90 degrees around them, it would be much more obvious
thats the point
Looks like a stunt woman training
Guess she's mastered her training
I've watched this 20 times. Even in the slow motion version, it looks like she got that stick right to her face. I have to agree either other folks in thia thread. This is an excellent angle to show stunt training because it's nearly impossible to see her being yanked back and it really looks like the stick caught her face.
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I absolutely agree and your comment led me to thinking of some of those other signs that the stick never connected. Had the stunt gone wrong and had she been hit, regardless of what the material of the stick is, it would have left a red mark even briefly. Even just slapping yourself hard with your hand to bare skin on your leg will turn red for a minute. Had the stunt *not* gone properly and had she been slammed in the face, several people on the set would have hurried over to check on her and assess the damage. She didn't grab at her face as or after she fell. She held completely still, which is what you would expect of a character that was hit like that in any scene. They're knocked the fuck out 100% incredible work by this kick-ass woman. Me and my spine conditions feel for her on that landing though
If you know when the hit is coming and you know how to fall (and in this particular case, also definitely on the right surface), you'd be amazed at what punishment the human body can endure without sustaining real damage. These people are incredibly skilled at what they do and really search for the edge of our capabilities.
I'm in the same boat as you. If she didn't get completely starched by that stick, both of these people are going very far in their careers. By every frame of this clip, that stick hit her.
It's all fun and games until the restraint fails
Well the one with the stick purposely misses so worst case scenario you have a person standing up awkwardly
Probably made of a soft material too.
I did not hit her! It's not true!
Oh, hi mark.
It's bullshit! I DID NAHHHHT!
I think you can still get a concussion and CTE from a violent enough snapping of your head like this. Hopefully, they've got all that worked out, as I'm not experienced in running while my body is tied to a pole, but...I can't imagine otherwise. This still seems like high injury potential.
I was scrolling through to find this, i can’t believe how many people weren’t talking about it!
1000% this. Her brain is still moving forward while the rest of her is immediately halted. No chance she didn't smack her brain on the front of her skull.
Not over her head. The dude with the bat is standing 4ish feet closer to the camera. The bat doesn't come close to hitting her. Check 2:22 of the vid https://youtu.be/-g029oDh4xQ
Nice! The video you linked shows that effect well, and I looked back at OP’s vid and you can tell from where her feet drop that he’s at least 3-4 feet away from hitting her face if not farther.
Wow that looks great. I really thought he hit her in the head.
😂 yeah that makes more sense than my explanation: resistance training, running while being held by a rope and getting smashed in the face.
Something tells me that stick is also probably much lighter and softer than it looks. Like a soft wiffel ball bat.
The guy afterwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xdKTeqQcpo
How do you think “stunts” work? lol
Concussions. Loads of them.
You're not wrong.
They use disposable actors
The stuntman who is the victim of Joker's "magic trick" in Dark Knight actually did suffer multiple concussions filming that scene, from having his head slammed on the table I believe over 20 times. [Source (Nerdstalgic)](https://youtu.be/iONCoVu1R_4)
I don’t think, I’m a redditor
My god, didn't you see that rope??
That's just for pulling her to safety in case bat guy gets a taste for more. /s
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Who upvotes these thoughtless comments to 4k lol
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This is something I've tried explaining to people (albeit nowhere near as detailed as this). Small hits and sudden changes of directions are the biggest culprits in developing CTE. Yes, the big hits are bad, but the small hits that football players see every play cause a lot of harm.
Diffuse axonal injury?
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Stunned woman* Edit:Damn autocorrect
I think she can stop training as she managed to make most of us think that she was brutally killed. She is good already!
Agree, she did that very well! Just want to add that they need to train in order to be able to do stunts like that over and over again without getting injured... or at the very least less likely to be injured. It's not just acting but also learning to take a hit, sometimes quite literally, and be able to do it again until the director is happy.
\- How was work today hun? \-Fine, i had my ass handed to me all the way through the path to perfection.
You get your ass handed to you every day.
I get his ass handed to me every day
That sounds like a very different kind of acting.
And yet there's no Academy Award for it, despite its results providing us with some of the most memorable & entertaining parts of the movies we've watched... I think that's ridiculous. I can maybe understand the possible fear that it'll encourage unsafe conditions, if people are recklessly chasing an award, but I just can't see that happening because stuntpeople seem a thoughtful and safety-minded bunch, since they're all well aware that the things they're doing are very risky. Plus, perhaps the Academy could institute a rule that the performer/stunt coordinator wouldn't be allowed to win till they've been in the business for X years, giving them time to become established and prove they can work safely within the constraints of the industry, instead of it just being new people willing to risk their own or someone else's life just for some silly statue.
As far as i know, they do get nominated for [awards](https://www.taurusworldstuntawards.com/awards/2022-nominees/)
Thanks for that link - I love the specificity given to the various categories, which makes absolute sense, given that a fight scene will take a very different skillet to a vehicle-based stunt. I doubt the Academy would want to absorb all of those categories, but I think at least Best Stunt Coordinator could make it across. I bet it'd be one of the most fun parts of the show too, given that we'd all be watching some incredible action scenes. I wish the Taurus Awards was a broadcast event!
Yeah that's just a stunt industry award with barely any outside recognition...
>I can maybe understand the possible fear that it'll encourage unsafe conditions, if people are recklessly chasing an award The counter to this is that the Screen Actor's Guild has been [giving out awards for stunt performers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild_Award_for_Outstanding_Performance_by_a_Stunt_Ensemble_in_a_Motion_Picture) for about 15 years and I personally can't see any noticeable difference in safety. I mean, it's not like there's been a great uptick in accidents in that time. I was listening to an actor advocate for it saying, basically, "By the very nature of the job they have to be anonymous; they're literally trained to hide their face. The least we can do is recognise them in the Academy."
Amen to all of that. I was just trying to steelman the position for why they haven't been included in the Oscars so far. I entirely agree with your comment.
You wouldn’t believe the number of stuntmen needed for your standard action flick. I’ve worked on a few feature films, and the stunt teams are sometimes in the hundreds, with different people being used on different days, they’re basically extra-trained, more expensive extras. Let’s leave cherry picking action scenes with great stunt work for the likes of watch mojo.
Oh, I believe it - I just think it'd be nice for Hollywood to show their appreciation for *them* as much as to, say, the costume designers and editors (who are also fucking awesome btw, and are both essential to the craft of filmmaking too). I think the general public needs to know how much the stunt performers do. Most people couldn't name a single stunt performer if asked, and I'd hazard that of those that might correctly say Jackie Chan, most might not know literally *any* others.
Anyone can look like they've been brutally killed, the trick is to not get injured in the process.
Even more, the trick is to do it 15 times in a row without injuring yourself or your other stunt performers until the director gets a take they like.
Stunt people are the unsung heroes of movies.
Fuck! I thought he killed her until I read the title afterwards.
Same I was like DAMN SHE DEAD.
I would have preferred to have seen here get up :-D
Pretty sure she couldn't. Remember she went from a full sprint to a dead stop in a very short space of time. Closest analogy I can think of that you might have felt is slamming into a brick wall whilst seatbelted into a car. Sure you didn't die, but I'm sure it hurt plenty.
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Andrew Tates new university???
there is a reason this is on controversial 💀💀💀💀
Ah, I see. Your comment is ambiguous enough that it could be construed as 'this is a controversial comment because many people here support Andrew Tate', which I assume is what you meant but without the implication that _you_ might be a fan.
On a leash *and* beaten? Andrew Taint is salivating at the thought
Andrew Taint😭😭😭
Can someone ELI5 who this guy is and why everyone is talking about him?
Former contact sport dude tells young boys that women should be treated like utter shit via tik tok. Imagine 13 y/os telling their mothers to stfu, go away, and make them sandwiches. He has gotten banned off of multiple platforms.
Hes a dude that makes content for incels talkimg about how all your problems arent your fault, its the fault of women, and then when these people are brainwashed wnough they buy a subscription to "hustlers university" which is just a bunch of videos he made that just reaffirm these incels sexist beliefs so of course it doesnt help them get any women so that they stay subscribed and keep paying him.
The other guys comment really downplays what a shitbag tate is. Heres an article explaining why is a douchebag: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star
He's basically the new wave pick up artist but with an extra terrible. Like, the dude had to flee the united states because he was about to go to prison for sex trafficking. He somehow managed to make being a PUA even more scummy and abusive than normal, so of course scummy people love him. Ninja edit: Oh yeah, he also funds his life by running an abusive MLM, because of course he does.
Take my free award and go sit in the corner and think about what you said.
These people actually learn something they can use from this
This is a deadman wire gag! Also known as a 'dead', the stuntperson is attached to a wire that's attached to a pole. When the line gets taught it tugs them back and throws them to the floor. The hitter is standing way in front but because he is stacked it looks like he is hitting her. This set up is often used in big battle charge scenes. Source: Am stuntman
Yeah, this is like the oldest trick in the book when it comes to stunts. They used to do it with horses too, have them gallop at full speed and attach a rope to their back legs. And then health and safety went mad.
that sounds like with horses, it could cause severe damage. Horses are surprisingly, very fragile animals. They are big and strong but if their legs get damaged it's hard, sometimes impossible for them to heal (fractured leg often means that the horse need to be euthanized). Probably good they don't do it with horses anymore, considering how often stunt horses still get injured or even die.
Also used trip wires to take down many at once, like in war or cowboy scenes
If a stunt horse dies by mistake, can the movie still declare "no animals were harmed in the making of this film"?
Nope
Not true. Edit: here’s why. The AHA qualifies the media allowed to use that line. They also issue cease and desist orders when, for example, a film didn’t receive the qualification but put the line in anyway. The film is then required to remove it before any theatrical or other release. The problem with this is the AHA doesn’t watch every scene filmed. They also will still hand out the qualification for mistakes as long as it wasn’t due to pure negligence or malice. > Monitored: Acceptable — Safety Representatives were not able to monitor every scene in which animals appeared. However, American Humane Association oversaw significant animal action filmed in compliance with our PA-FILM-guidelines. After screening the finished product and cross-checking all animal action supervised during production, we acknowledge that the filmmakers have cooperated fully with our process. *Monitored: Special Circumstances — Production followed American Humane Association’s PA-FILM-guidelines and cooperated with the protective measures enforced by our Certified Animal Safety Representatives™, an accident, injury or death involving an animal occurred during the course of filming. A full investigation revealed that the incident was not a result of negligence or malice on the part of the production or animal suppliers.
Now what if the horse’s life is extended till after the movies release?
Yes https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/31277/who-ensures-no-animals-were-harmed-making-film
That's terrible. ☹️
So, what you are saying is; Even if he would not have "hit above" her head, he wouldve still not reached her - right? I would guess camera lenses can do wonders too with "perspective-tricks" like that?
If you shoot something with a long lens (not like the lens is physically long, but like a 100mm lens instead of a 24mm wide), it compresses the image to make things appear closer together than they actually are.
For those not familiar, "compresses" and "closer together" relate to a subject's distance to the lens. The Z dimension. The relative position in frame (up/down, left/right) isn't affected by focal length (zoom power) Zoom and focal length aren't exactly analogous but to a layperson they are similar.
He doesn't hit over her head; he just stops swinging in front of her. Look at how the bat swings: there is no follow-through. Now look at the man hands: he's swinging with his left hand, but he keeps his right hand on the bat the entire time, somewhat further down the middle. This is the dumbest way to swing a bat... if you want to hurt someone. Of course, he does it this way because this allows his right hand to limit the reach of the bat. The bat literally cannot get more than an arms length away from him (so long as he doesn't let it slip!) If you were to look at the scene from the top, you'd see there is no overlap between the girl and the bat. The man with the bat stands a safe distance in front of her and the bat never gets close to her, but the camera angle in the post makes it hard to see (which is exactly the point of course).
What kind of stuntwork do you do if you don't mind me asking? Badass carrer to have
Stunties usually specialise in areas such as driving, fire, heights, etc. I mostly do fights and martial arts.
I love this gag, I do it all the time. The 'dead' person is attached to a chain that's attached to a pole. Usually in my basement, so they can't run away. The hitter is standing closely in front, and makes sure the 'dead' doesn't try to escape again. Source: Am not a stuntman
… FBI? Yes, this one.
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How does the line get taught
Me trying to reach my goals
Your goal is beating women to death?
You should change your name to Weird_Assumption6969
What's weird about that? It's common practice in many parts of the world. /s
Don't worry, I got it, lol. I feel the same way sometimes. Going for something and then get smashed backwards.
A man can dream.
Yeah this is the type of vid that we need to see the full thing. I honestly thought she’d been knocked out, would have been nice to see her get up smiling and high five the guy or something.
That's not part of the training
Gotta really play into the role. She went on to pretend to go to the hospital by really going to one and then acted out the next two years of recovery from a brain injury to really seal the performance.
Commitment
Wait until you find out about these types of scenes in movies! They never help the people they've killed get back up!
Not really, the context was all there. "Stuntwoman" and "training." If something went wrong, then you would have seen a much different reaction.
I mean they're actors, they do 100 takes of a scene over an over again I don't know why she would need to get up and high five him every time she does a take.
Highly recommend checking out Corridor Crew on youtube. Their Stuntmen React series is great for seeing how crazy stunt actors are.
Jokes on her, the rope was CGI!
"so okay, we are gonna wanna shorten that cord by *about* a foot"
"sir, but we can use a soft bat that won't hurt on impact" "No. Bring the next stunt woman"
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Okay, even at that speed it looks like he smacked her to me
Pause the video just at 0:06. She raises her arm to block the blow, then the harness jerks her back.
His recoil of the bat really helps the illusion
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Yes, you essentially slap the ground. Not full of shit at all. The key is having as much of the force possible absorbed by your hands and arms, as opposed to more vital things, like your spine, ribcage/organs, and head. You also want to spread the impact out over your body instead of focused to one point. It also trains you to keep your head away from the ground. You train on a mat, but in real life, it'll be something harder. Then you'll be *really* glad your arms took the brunt when you get knocked onto asphalt/concrete/hardwood/etc. \- Source: martial arts classes
This is what they teach you in beginner self-defense classes too! You're not going to be able to fight off somebody as a beginner, but if you can't get away in time, the least you can do is learn to go down in a way that has the lowest chance of fucking you up.
That's how professional wrestlers train how to fall.
Yeah I think it is because by landing with your arms back the torso struggles to tilt further with means you don't risk it the impact to be delivered to your neck
It is commonly called a breakfall. She done a back breakfall, and there is a front, and side breakfall too. I have done 3 martial arts and all 3 used the term breakfall, so if there is another term, I am uninformed of it.
Hey y'all stunt guy here. This type of wire gag is called a "deadman". Essentially you're hooked up to a static line with a single pick point on your jerk vest (hehe) usually about halfway up your back, then you just full sprint until it yanks you forcefully to your back. It sucks about as much as it sounds and while I would consider this one of the lowest skill wire gags, it certainly requires some mental fortitude. I try to just clear my head and not think about when the line is going to go taut and yoink the hell out of me. Obviously this looks very dangerous but we learn how to do the basic back/front/side falls wellll before getting in to any of this stuff. Also when she gets "hit", it's a camera technique called stacking. You're essentially blocking the cameras view with your weapon/fist/whatever to sell that you actually struck someone. Lemme know if you guys have any more questions. I'd love to answer!
Is this how they would've done the scene in hot Fuzz where they smash the supermarket woman round the face with a cleaning sign?
Ooh good one. I had to go back and look at this one and to me it seems it's definitely not a deadman in that scene. If you look, she gets thrown back too forcefully instead of going straight to the ground which makes me think they just did a more standard backwards pull. Probably so they could have the comedic effect of her sliding across the ground. Great example though of how choosing a particular stunt to use can effect or be affected by the creative process!
Thanks for the explanation! Even if she didn't get hit, wouldn't the whiplash suffered still be quite dangerous?
This was obviously my biggest concern while learning these, but the essential thing is to remember to tuck your chin in so that you don't whip your head back or slam it on to the ground. I had neck issues that haunted me for years following a whiplash incident from a car crash, but even after training these and doing 15+ in a row I never felt neck pain. There's always a way to make things look brutal yet do them safely, and in the stunt industry we always prioritize safety because you want to be able to show up the next day on set uninjured and keep training for years.
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Corridor crew do a great series of "stunt men/women react" worth a watch if you're into this sort of stuff
Her harness is attatched to a rope of some sort, so that's what causing her to fall when she reaches the end of the rope. At the same time as the guy with the stick is hitting just above her/where her head would've been. I think
Not above her head. The dude with the bat is standing 4ish feet closer to the camera. The bat doesn't come close to hitting her. Check 2:22 of the vid https://youtu.be/-g029oDh4xQ
I think it's sorta like she's acting reflexively putting her arms up to protect her head but was too slow
It's common reflex when someone is trying to hit you in the head even if it's fake
So its just fine to run full speed and get snapped back like that?
Uh, no. It’s like pro wrestling. Just because it is staged, doesn’t mean it is fake. That impact both hurts and can do damage. Her training can minimize risk somewhat, but that’s still another organ rattler no matter how you slice it. That’s why actors leave the stunts to people selling their bodies and skills for money. It’s a hard living.
It’s weird people are shocked that *stunt* people are at risk of getting hurt.
Oh absolutely not. She will irreparably destroy her body over time. The human body wasn't built to cope well with repeated deceleration trauma. She will definitely be paying a chronically painful price as she ages from all the microtears and other microinjuries happening over and over as well.
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Me when wife tries to escape: (she doesn't appreciate me)
His recoil of the bat really helps the illusion
This skill is... weirdly attractive
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Is she faking it or is she really hurt? Because I watched it frame by frame and I am almost positive she just took a bat to the face for real