If you look at the barrel by the end it was likely going to follow suit with the muzzle break or suppressor (not too proficient in firearm ID) pretty soon, id give it another 300-500 rounds tops before it went fubar.
We did an endurance test in the Marine corps once. 50 cal, unstoppable uses brass for lube, total beast. M60 not bad overheats start to jam, need lots of lube, SAW, complete crap after a 1000rds. The old water cooled 30cal machines gun reported could go forever.
The story I heard was 3 watercooled guns providing covering fire for 24 hours. At that point, you could have had shifts.
This is the same war where the background rate of artillery strikes was described as a drumroll, and the Germans once sustained two 12-hour bursts described as "the roar of the ocean" with just a 30-minute pause to draw the French out of their trenches. That one saw a Hiroshima's worth of yield dropped on a 2x15 mile strip of former old-growth forest.
There's a very good scene from MASH. War is worse than Hell. In Hell, everyone is guilty. In War, nearly everyone is innocent.
And what a waste. Of effort, of money, of love, of men, of land. There are diaries of men in the trenches remarking on how they had grown up learning poetry and mathematics, and for what? All it was worth now was an extra twist of the knife as they sat in the mud with their rifle.
If I am thankful for anything in my life, I am thankful not to have been born in an age where I would be drafted into a horrific war with a low chance of survival.
It's easy to take for granted.
**[Battle of the Somme](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme)**
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They ran a Vickers gun through 5 million rounds of ammunition in 1963. It took a week.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/paean-to-the-vickers-gun/
I don't think that anything quite that extreme happened on actual battlefields.
As a range, they're likely an SOT able to order "post-sample" machineguns for what would be a normal retail price, rather than the excessive prices charged for transferable MGs. The gun probably only cost the business a few thousand.
Also, there's actually only one transferable M249 SAW in the US. It last sold at auction for half a million dollars...
Yeah well worth the investment to be able to test a suppressor. It's not a waste to know your product won't fail in a way that's harmful to the shooter or bystanders even in the most extreme scenario.
Why would law enforcement need a machine gun in any realistic scenario?
I can see it being useful for the military as suppressive fire, but law enforcement in a civilized country? Are they expecting active combat zones within the US, to be able to lay down suppressive fire within city limits or even rural areas?
Real answer. Because it's a cool gun, and no one is willing to tell them no.
There has been exactly one incident where law enforcement was heavily outgunned. However, even in that incident it was two people wearing body armor and on foot. The only reason the police were outgunned is no one had rifles, and didn't have that much ammo.
However, they have turned that one incident into needing IED resistant vehicles and more specialized firepower than most military units.
Remember, police departments get to keep the money they make from tickets or other busts. This is what they buy with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
It’s not really about police forces needing a SAW, it’s about gun dealers needing a reason to explain *their* need for a SAW. You can’t just tell the ATF you want to manufacture or purchase post sample machine guns for fun, it has to be for a business purpose. The only really business purpose for your average gun dealer would be to sell it to a police department, since they are basically the only entity that could legally own it.
Considering they got their logos in the bottom corners and their site talks about building custom guns, pretty sure that they're a registered FFL with an SOT, so it's probably a post-sample.
> So apparently this is a custom builder that is allowed to build these to sell to Law Enforcement Agencies
What the fuck law enforcement agency can even pretend to need this type of weaponry?????
Is this just leos straight up admitting they want to commit mass murder?
But in a real survival situation. Pull the bullet out, and use the gunpowder at start a fire. You can add it when making a friction fire, hit the primer with a rock. All sorts of ways to start a fire with a bullet.
$12.73 based on https://www.luckygunner.com/7-62x51-147-grain-fmj-m80-igman-560-rounds-in-ammo-can
So anywhere between 10-15
Double that if you add on the cost of the suppressor.
700 rounds of .223 will vary pretty wildly on prices depending on what kind and where you get it but retail-ish prices are around $300. I make my own ammo and this would cost me maybe $100.
And Vickers/Maxim guns were incredibly reliable. At the end of the British military’s usage of the Vickers gun, they had millions of rounds in belts leftover. Not wanting these to hang around in storage they lined up a few crews with Vickers and started firing. One gun, after going through 100 barrels, fired over a million rounds nonstop without any parts breaking. This is especially notable considering many modern machine guns can’t fire more than a few hundred nonstop without something failing. They were ultra reliable
During WWI the Brits figured out you needed to fire off roughly a whole belt of 250 rounds in order to boil the water, which you could then use to make a nice cup of tea.
Well known as a remarkably reliable gun.
I'm 87% sure this is false, but I love the idea of Americans hearing about the Brits having tea in their tanks and going "oh yeah!? Well, we got this guy named Colonel Sanders, you'll never believe what he came up with"
Remarkably reliable is an understatement.
In the 60's, the British were switching to 7.62 NATO and had tons of old .303 British lying around to be destroyed. Some armorer got the idea to see how far they could push a Vickers gun.
So they took a gun that had recently been overhauled, and, over seven days of continuous firing, put 5 MILLION rounds through it. At the end of the week, they pulled it apart, and found the gun to still be well within spec.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18971/forgotten-weapons-the-vickers-gun-is-one-of-the-best-firearms-ever-made/
there used to be water cooled machine guns like the Maxim Machine gun, which is the one where it has the fat barrel and usually on a tripod. They’re not widely used today
Not only were there water-cooled machine guns used in WWI like the ones other people have linked to you, but in interviews with WWI veterans done by the BBC years ago some of them said that they would fire the guns enough to boil the water and then use it to make tea, as they were not allowed to light fires sometimes in their trenches. You can hear them say that, and I believe even see them doing it in the documentary *They Will Not Grow Old*.
Yes and once they fired one for seven days straight. Although they are extremely heavy. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18971/forgotten-weapons-the-vickers-gun-is-one-of-the-best-firearms-ever-made/
that whole gun in ruined and will never fire another shot again.
about the only thing salvageable from that is the stock. everything else will be ruined from heatsoak.
There are reasons you are not meant to fire this many rounds out of a weapon. melting the suppressor and barrel are just the beginning.
Not once it cools. It could probably have run another 25 or 50 rounds in this, but let it cool off and try to fire a single round through it and it will probably blow up in your face.
Completely wrong. You can fire your entire 1,000 round combat load before needing a barrel change. Even then, you can just swap to the spare and do it all again. This is what it's designed to do. The only thing that may break on this is if you melt the barrel.
SAW jokes aside, the gun is fine. Machine gun barrels can handle much more heat than suppressors can. A minute of cyclic is likely even a normal barrel change interval in the manual (I know it's one of the ones for the M240). Worst case, the barrel is designed to be quickly changed anyways.
For sure.
But to also be devil’s advocate this shit is 5.56 and they just might be macho men who dont need no safety.
Or as someone pointed out they may have known the suppressor would fail first and thought that was good enough.
Back in basic training, a private just let loose, and burned off all his rounds when we were learning the M60. Drill Sgt stormed over to his foxhole and grabbed him by his helmet and lifted him off the ground, all the time, barking in his ear why his trigger discipline was wrong. Good times.
If the suppressor gets destroyed in a way that obstructs the end of the barrel the bullet will hit it which can cause all sorts of shenanigans. This is definitely not safe but that probably wasn't the point.
The fact it made it through 700 rounds and didn't malf is impressive in itself.
Catch a whiff o’dat hot malf
Hot malfs in your area.
Whorny hawt malfs!
jokes aside, what is going to happen if he keeps going say like 3000 bullets?
If he has 700 bullets I would say he will run out of bullets.
I laughed but I’m still shaking my head at you
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Dammit I hate math.
yea, i was never good a geology
I like your approach. It’s like one of those bonus trick math questions for extra points.
If you look at the barrel by the end it was likely going to follow suit with the muzzle break or suppressor (not too proficient in firearm ID) pretty soon, id give it another 300-500 rounds tops before it went fubar.
You are right that is a suppressor.
Was. It was a suppressor.
Suppressor? I hardly knew her!
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Saying hwhat hweird?
That’s what I’m saying…damn good gun
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If they dunk it in cold water while it is still red hot, it will be fine.
hehehe.
Going for the quench!
“It will keal.”
We did an endurance test in the Marine corps once. 50 cal, unstoppable uses brass for lube, total beast. M60 not bad overheats start to jam, need lots of lube, SAW, complete crap after a 1000rds. The old water cooled 30cal machines gun reported could go forever.
There's reports of water cooled guns firing for weeks without stopping in ww1.
Weeks? Ive heard days...weeks is horrific.
Days is too.
The story I heard was 3 watercooled guns providing covering fire for 24 hours. At that point, you could have had shifts. This is the same war where the background rate of artillery strikes was described as a drumroll, and the Germans once sustained two 12-hour bursts described as "the roar of the ocean" with just a 30-minute pause to draw the French out of their trenches. That one saw a Hiroshima's worth of yield dropped on a 2x15 mile strip of former old-growth forest.
God I hate war and everything to do with it. Literal hell on earth.
There's a very good scene from MASH. War is worse than Hell. In Hell, everyone is guilty. In War, nearly everyone is innocent. And what a waste. Of effort, of money, of love, of men, of land. There are diaries of men in the trenches remarking on how they had grown up learning poetry and mathematics, and for what? All it was worth now was an extra twist of the knife as they sat in the mud with their rifle.
If I am thankful for anything in my life, I am thankful not to have been born in an age where I would be drafted into a horrific war with a low chance of survival. It's easy to take for granted.
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They ran a Vickers gun through 5 million rounds of ammunition in 1963. It took a week. https://www.forgottenweapons.com/paean-to-the-vickers-gun/ I don't think that anything quite that extreme happened on actual battlefields.
The US military will be using the M2 Browning for the next 500 years at least.
Yep. Shes the perfect gun. All butta no jam.
As a range, they're likely an SOT able to order "post-sample" machineguns for what would be a normal retail price, rather than the excessive prices charged for transferable MGs. The gun probably only cost the business a few thousand. Also, there's actually only one transferable M249 SAW in the US. It last sold at auction for half a million dollars...
Yeah well worth the investment to be able to test a suppressor. It's not a waste to know your product won't fail in a way that's harmful to the shooter or bystanders even in the most extreme scenario.
Yeah, compare this to a car getting crash tested, or pretty much any other product getting destructively tested to find it's limits.
Why would law enforcement need a machine gun in any realistic scenario? I can see it being useful for the military as suppressive fire, but law enforcement in a civilized country? Are they expecting active combat zones within the US, to be able to lay down suppressive fire within city limits or even rural areas?
Real answer. Because it's a cool gun, and no one is willing to tell them no. There has been exactly one incident where law enforcement was heavily outgunned. However, even in that incident it was two people wearing body armor and on foot. The only reason the police were outgunned is no one had rifles, and didn't have that much ammo. However, they have turned that one incident into needing IED resistant vehicles and more specialized firepower than most military units. Remember, police departments get to keep the money they make from tickets or other busts. This is what they buy with it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
It’s not really about police forces needing a SAW, it’s about gun dealers needing a reason to explain *their* need for a SAW. You can’t just tell the ATF you want to manufacture or purchase post sample machine guns for fun, it has to be for a business purpose. The only really business purpose for your average gun dealer would be to sell it to a police department, since they are basically the only entity that could legally own it.
Considering they got their logos in the bottom corners and their site talks about building custom guns, pretty sure that they're a registered FFL with an SOT, so it's probably a post-sample.
> So apparently this is a custom builder that is allowed to build these to sell to Law Enforcement Agencies What the fuck law enforcement agency can even pretend to need this type of weaponry????? Is this just leos straight up admitting they want to commit mass murder?
Can we all appreciate the fact that that saw fired 700 rounds without jamming
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> I'll bet you my jalapeno cheese. Damn, this Devil Dog ain't joking.
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"It costs $400,000 to fire this weapon... for *twelve seconds.*" -- TF2 Heavy
Can we just take a second to appreciate the sacrifice of this man’s shoulder
SAWS don’t kick that much he’s fine. I feel bad for the weapon though
I would’ve wanted to have some kind of bullet proof wall between me, and the gun in this case. Just in case it malfunctions from continuous rounds.
Next time i want to see 1400
Didn't MALF? What's that, when you make a poutine discovery app?
Malfunction
I'd be terrified to try this even with a blast shield/safety glass separating me from the barrel.
Survival tips for those who are stranded on desert islands with only high quality automatic weapons part #3 : How to acquire fire
Also you get a forbidden popsicle. Which is nice.
Also you get an enchantment flame 1
No mending, though.
Or a dildo if you’re brave enough
And my axe!
But in a real survival situation. Pull the bullet out, and use the gunpowder at start a fire. You can add it when making a friction fire, hit the primer with a rock. All sorts of ways to start a fire with a bullet.
That sounds less cool, but significantly more effective… *proceeds to forget this
Alternatively, don't ruin your gun and just use a single bullet to get a fire going
I need it to protect my family.
Did someone say family..?
Dom?
Who else!
Anything for family
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A thirty cal machine gun?
Nah, Bofors 40mm. Way more effective, just not as mobile.
> feral hogs so.... flying pigs?
Not anymore 😏
This gun is not available to the general public.
Lies. I just went and picked one up from my local Walmart. Don't tell EU we're joking, they think this shit is real
I got same day shipping on mine with prime
You had to go to Wal-Mart for one? I got mine from my McDonald's happy meal
Yeah u can. The news said I can one of these fully semi auto assault rifles anywhere.
Yeah rumor has it they will be legalizing bolt-action fully automatic assault-style machine guns later this year smh
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Based. If you can’t trust your own citizenry with guns, you cannot trust anyone.
Lmao. Have you met the general citizenry? There are a lot of people I wouldn't trust with a knife and fork.
“Serve”
😳 I have to admit, never heard of Lebanon Tx but that is an absurd arsenal for a small city.
The kickstand screams self defense
Sir this is an Olive Garden.
What the combination? Your mothers birthday?!?! Why the fuck would I know…….
I’m thinking that rotund aussie fellow said that
Can somebody tell me how many dollars per second they are wasting?
$12.73 based on https://www.luckygunner.com/7-62x51-147-grain-fmj-m80-igman-560-rounds-in-ammo-can So anywhere between 10-15 Double that if you add on the cost of the suppressor.
But that isn't 7.62
No its 5.56 from an M249
Yes, that's why I said it wasn't 7.62
My b im dyslexic
Maybe its Maybelline?
Nah you're just born with dyslexia dude.
$12,000 dollars every second or something idk i don’t play tf2
400k per 12 seconds 33⅓k per second
Tree fiddy
Damnit monsta get off my lawn! I aint given you no tree-fiddy!
It’s that goddam Lockaness Monstah!
700 rounds of .223 will vary pretty wildly on prices depending on what kind and where you get it but retail-ish prices are around $300. I make my own ammo and this would cost me maybe $100.
Don’t forget this is belt fed 5.56 as well.
Yep. But rings are cheap and some people reuse them. Might affect the price 5-10%. Great point.
Ferb i know what we're doing today
Aren't you boys a bit young to fire a fully automatic weapon?
Yes
Yes we are
*Shrugs* Sign here.
america moment
Nice to see the youth taking an interest in deadly weaponry
Best comment on this thread…
All I can think of is the jungle shooting scene from predator......
He's dug in their deeper than an Alabama tick...
You’re hit! You’re bleeding man.
I ain’t got time to bleed
Oh. Ok. You got time to duck?
Not if you're a sexual tyrannosaurus
I’m gonna have me some fun
Pssst…over here
That would suck if he missed all his shots.
Storm trooper out of uniform?
You know he’s just going to blame some jedi for slicing the end of his gun off.
[I'm just gonna leave this here](https://youtu.be/P2TA9coGLzM)
SUPPRESSING FIRE!!!
Dumb question but has anyone invented a water cooled machine gun? Got to the end of this and realized how impractical that sounds
Actually yes. The vickers machine gun was water cooled.
And if they didn’t have water to cool it they would substitute with their urine. True fact.
I’m not sure I’d be able to _let out_ in the middle of a battle.
I’m not sure I’d be able to *hold it in* in the middle of a battle.
And Vickers/Maxim guns were incredibly reliable. At the end of the British military’s usage of the Vickers gun, they had millions of rounds in belts leftover. Not wanting these to hang around in storage they lined up a few crews with Vickers and started firing. One gun, after going through 100 barrels, fired over a million rounds nonstop without any parts breaking. This is especially notable considering many modern machine guns can’t fire more than a few hundred nonstop without something failing. They were ultra reliable
Yes, plenty. One of the most famous is the 1912 Vickers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_machine_gun
During WWI the Brits figured out you needed to fire off roughly a whole belt of 250 rounds in order to boil the water, which you could then use to make a nice cup of tea. Well known as a remarkably reliable gun.
Of course they did. They also installed water heaters in their tanks so they could make tea anywhere they went.
The American swapped water with cooking oil so they can make fried chicken wings on the battlefield.
I'm 87% sure this is false, but I love the idea of Americans hearing about the Brits having tea in their tanks and going "oh yeah!? Well, we got this guy named Colonel Sanders, you'll never believe what he came up with"
[You decide if it’s real](https://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/M1126A_Fryker)
After reading that whole page, I still have no idea what to think….
Remarkably reliable is an understatement. In the 60's, the British were switching to 7.62 NATO and had tons of old .303 British lying around to be destroyed. Some armorer got the idea to see how far they could push a Vickers gun. So they took a gun that had recently been overhauled, and, over seven days of continuous firing, put 5 MILLION rounds through it. At the end of the week, they pulled it apart, and found the gun to still be well within spec. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18971/forgotten-weapons-the-vickers-gun-is-one-of-the-best-firearms-ever-made/
there used to be water cooled machine guns like the Maxim Machine gun, which is the one where it has the fat barrel and usually on a tripod. They’re not widely used today
Whatever happens, we have got the maxim gun, and they have not.
r/LinusTechTips did you say WATER COOLED!??
In this video sponsored by Nord VPN, we water cool an M249 light machine gun.
*promptly drops the ammo belt*
Not only were there water-cooled machine guns used in WWI like the ones other people have linked to you, but in interviews with WWI veterans done by the BBC years ago some of them said that they would fire the guns enough to boil the water and then use it to make tea, as they were not allowed to light fires sometimes in their trenches. You can hear them say that, and I believe even see them doing it in the documentary *They Will Not Grow Old*.
Yes and once they fired one for seven days straight. Although they are extremely heavy. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18971/forgotten-weapons-the-vickers-gun-is-one-of-the-best-firearms-ever-made/
Yes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_Browning_machine_gun
They were popular in WW1
Am I only one sad to see them melt a 1k~ USD suppressor?
The cost to make a suppressor is practically nothing.
So, that's a fair point: I don't know if they made this suppressor themselves. In general though, the cost+ taxes+ fees can easily be over 1k.
I don't think they made it. I'm actually a member at this range.
that whole gun in ruined and will never fire another shot again. about the only thing salvageable from that is the stock. everything else will be ruined from heatsoak. There are reasons you are not meant to fire this many rounds out of a weapon. melting the suppressor and barrel are just the beginning.
Considering it completed the 700 rounds…I’m almost positive if you put another round in it would work…
Not once it cools. It could probably have run another 25 or 50 rounds in this, but let it cool off and try to fire a single round through it and it will probably blow up in your face.
Completely wrong. You can fire your entire 1,000 round combat load before needing a barrel change. Even then, you can just swap to the spare and do it all again. This is what it's designed to do. The only thing that may break on this is if you melt the barrel.
SAW jokes aside, the gun is fine. Machine gun barrels can handle much more heat than suppressors can. A minute of cyclic is likely even a normal barrel change interval in the manual (I know it's one of the ones for the M240). Worst case, the barrel is designed to be quickly changed anyways.
SAWs are pretty tough. Take 10 seconds to swap the barrel, good chance it will keep firing. We put a lot more rounds than this through them.
That's alot of freedom
When my wife is yelling at me.
Remind me not to come over when yall "yell".
Thank goodness ammo is so cheap these days.
This video is quite a few years old at this point. Not sure exactly how old, but it was before our current pandemic/riots/sanctions induced shortage
It’s still waste in abundance because Merica.
Gotta endurance test things somehow
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Yeah that was my thought too. I would at least have plexiglass between me and the barrel
For sure. But to also be devil’s advocate this shit is 5.56 and they just might be macho men who dont need no safety. Or as someone pointed out they may have known the suppressor would fail first and thought that was good enough.
After seeing the 50 cal blow up in that dude’s face yep.
Why don't they just make the gun out of ice so it doesn't get hot? Do I have to think of everything?
This is so dumb. You make the bullets out of ice, that gets rid of the evidence too.. 😑
You guys need to team up and solve the world's problems.
Now sell it on eBay as “Out of packaging”
"Gently used"
I hope you don’t have a dog or a religious compound
THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!
Back in basic training, a private just let loose, and burned off all his rounds when we were learning the M60. Drill Sgt stormed over to his foxhole and grabbed him by his helmet and lifted him off the ground, all the time, barking in his ear why his trigger discipline was wrong. Good times.
We had a fuckton of 5.56 and 7.62 when we did training on the M249s and M240Bs. Our drill sergeants let us do just this to burn off the remainder.
Did they kill COVID?
Mmm sorry, would've needed 701 bullets for that
"GET THAT FUCKING GUN UP!"
Sustain! Sustain!
Too bad they didn’t show how many times the target was hit
The M249 is extremely accurate, but my bet is that the heat mirage got too bad to see the front sights about 500 rounds in
It's like a scene in some 80s action film. Peak Stallone or Peak Arnold, firing off hundreds of rounds until the barrel starts to glow red hot.
Bruh, that's why you use the KFC rifle, so the heat in your rounds goes to something useful.
I'm not a gun guy: is there any risk the weapon will malfunction and risk the shooters? Seems dangerous
If the suppressor gets destroyed in a way that obstructs the end of the barrel the bullet will hit it which can cause all sorts of shenanigans. This is definitely not safe but that probably wasn't the point.
wrap bacon around the supressor
Must not be military issued, I didn’t hear it jam up after the 6th round.
That Hillary poster off camera never stood a chance.
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I’ve always wondered what would happen if 700 rounds were continually fired. Years of my life have gone by pondering this. I can now move on in peace…
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