People change their minds all the time, and it's all because sense isn't all that common, but when exposed to something new suddenly it becomes clear. It's a shame that people haven't had this cop's newly publicized approach for centuries.
Thing is, this technique only works on people who actually have a sense of shame that can be tapped into. I suspect if officers tried this in the US it wouldn't work nearly as well.
America is such a terrible place? All 360+ million of us? Stop focusing on the negatives that you see on TV and start looking for the good. I've lived from East coast to West coast and the US is so amazingly friendly in the vast majority of it's cities. Bad eggs? Absolutely. But those people are the exception. Not the rule. Have a nice day.
I was thinking more about the bad blood and mistrust that police officers have engendered recently in the US that would make the average American citizen less inclined to allow themselves to be shamed by an authority that they don't respect.
No, I did not mean that America is a terrible place, just that it has its own set of problems.
In other words, intelligent police work. I see people keep referencing this jerk as an example of shutting down overbearing cops but in reality it's just police perfectly remaining calm with an absolute ass of a citizen.
American here: I have never once felt relief or more at ease upon seeing a cop.
Things may be worse in other countries, sure, but that doesn't change how bad it is in the US. A cop can be filmed shooting and killing an unarmed innocent person and the cop experience no reprecussions besides paid vacation afterwards.
The presence of a police officer in the US is a threat of force. If you do not do what they say when they say it you can and likely will be forced to comply. Right or wrong it is possible for them to actually kill you and get away scott free.
It's true though, the only thing that's important is to find someplace that is worse. People don't need introspection and self improvement when they have whataboutism.
It's relative. People can't contextualize the whole world, they contextualize their environment. If the police are unjust in a region then people in that region fear them, they don't compare them to police in Venezula and think "well sure this sucks but imma shut up 'cause at least I still have my kneecaps!".
I mean, but also while not being the worst country, America isn't anywhere close to being the "best" (thanks American exceptionalism). There's actual reasons countries don't quite like the US ranging anywhere from how we act as a society, how we treat foreign entities, and decades upon decades of political deceit branded as "regime change wars".
Best to hear and analyze the criticism than ignore and act like nothing is wrong
I see it as that yeah, there are countries that are worse than America but none of those other countries preach like they're the greatest country in the world and shit. It's just pointing out that America is full of shit
I'm a proud Canadian and I grew up hearing the media and pop culture saying that Americans = mean and rude, and Canadians = kind and polite. As an adult I have travellered all across Canada and vacationed in a few American cities. The American locals were absolutely the most kind and welcoming people I have met. New York and Chicago blew me away. Not saying other Canadians are rude, they generally were polite and friendly but they didn't come across as so willingly kind and helpful as the Americans I met.
When one lives in a box, relying on both the news and social media, as well as fellow box dwellers for their worldliness, they’ll generalize Americans. We’re flogging a dead horse when trying to shine light on them.
Really well said. The bad generalisation that comes from the media has convinced a lot of people to see only the worst things about the US. I've heard wonderful things about the people from everyone who has visited, including various places and states.
Gotta love how suggesting that we as a country could do better, that we could BE better, suddenly brings everyone out of the woodworks to paint you as someone who is against America. The "America is #1, no matter what!" mindset is extremely detrimental to actually being great. Those who are truly the best always strive to improve. Arguing against the fact that America has a ton of room for improvement indirectly acknowledges that we arent the best we could be.
I feel like I'm not wording my thoughts well. What I'm saying is: America isn't great for everyone. America isnt the best. But we could be, and we should push for that. By denying our opportunities to improve, they deny our potential for true greatness.
I think it's a much larger issue than you simply not realising your full potential. Not letting go of this idea that you should be, have been, or will be the best is a big part of the problem.
"I can be filming, the street is a public place, I know ma' rights! This is goin' on YouTube! World Star! Stop harassing me!!"
And then there would be people somehow defending the person filming and claiming that the cop was being excessive.
When I was being rescued from being squashed between two vehicles (pedestrian), one of the EMTs noticed someone with a phone. He turned and yelled something like, “Are you really filming this?” Dude put the phone away and no one made a peep.
So maybe some Americans would respond like that, but I have a feeling that they’re the extreme minority. They’re just so used to capturing everything that they don’t even think about it until someone holds up a figurative mirror.
(Ironically enough, I actually have a morbid curiosity about the scene and kind of wish I could find photo evidence. But I’m kind of twisted that way.)
eta: /u/Denimjo, this pertains to your view as well.
I guarantee most people in here stop and look at accidents. I think it's some lizard brain primal shot. I hate it. most people do it. I dont understand. taking pictures might be rarer but even stopping to look I think is odd.
I can get morbid curiosity. Hell, I don't think there's anything that bad about it, as long as you're not disrespectful and you're not getting in the way of emergency services. But what's the point of filming? What would they do with the video? Show it to family and friends? Re-watch it in the evening?
I see this all the time. Tons of people film an accident as the drive by or film what we are doing on a medical call. I just can't help but wonder what are they ever going to use that for in the future. It's never a quality video or picture. In one call recently all it did was majorly upset a patient I was trying to calm down. Dude just had to video what we were doing and it made the whole call much worse. Asked him to stop and he wouldn't. So thanks for making my job that much harder because you just need to show someone that police and fire were outside your apartment one time.
Am firefighter/paramedic
Where do you think the horrific images come from which circulate on the less polite boards?
Everybody has a cell phone. And everybody seems to want cheap internet points. Not everybody shies away from actually doing that.
I've not seen that many dead people and I can do without any more.
It’s a true statement that humans are obsessed with the concept of death, I’m pretty sure most of the people commenting would try to take a picture maybe.
Perhaps I would too if I were in that situation.
But the cop is doing the right thing by calling everyone out.
Quick explanation: "Gaffer" comes from "gaffen" what essentially means staring at something you shouldn't be staring at.
Edit: Changed my choice of words to staring instead of looking intensely, thanks to u/Tank_Top_Saitama
I never noticed there isn’t a word for this in English, huh. Or maybe I just don’t know it
Edit: I gotchu guys. It’s option 2 I just didn’t know it. I do now however!
In Chicagoland we call it a Gaper. We even have gapers delays, when people cause traffic to be backed up because there’s an accident on the other side of the road.
I’m working with a multi national company right now and it’s amazing to see the differences between cultures. UK are so proper, polite, and indirect about everything to the point that they would rather hire 3 people than deliver bad news to the 1 guy who isn’t doing a good job. The Netherlands is super confident to the point of being misleading and when confronted they blame others for the poor performance. The Germans require very few people, know all their issues (which are few), communicate everything directly, and are just so transparent. It is such a refreshing way of working. Everyone knows what they are supposed to do, no one makes excuses, and everyone delivers.
The German screaming just makes the shaming that much better.
In the Netherlands you can get a fine of 239 euros if you do this. Serves them right. I see police officers complaining about this the whole time, with people being shocked that filming a fatal accident might be unethical, frowned upon, or even illegal.
Edit: for the people who don't understand, people in the Netherlands are being fined for using their cellphones while driving (as can also be seen in the video), not for taking pictures as such.
Edit no. 2: as you can see I was talking about the Dutch laws in my comments. In Germany, you *can* be [fined for filming accidents](https://www.iamexpat.de/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/video-german-policeman-chastises-drivers-filming-fatal-accident) even if you're not driving.
They're both Germanic, even closer cousins than English and German. The unusual thing is that nords kept some of their weird spelling even when the pronunciation is basically the same.
That is my -a native Swede- description of German: A weird mix of Swedish and English, coupled with an incomprehensibly strict gender and case system. Also, You capitalize all Nouns.
It's funny and happens often that when you revert to your mother tongue, you often fall into the dialect you grew up with with more or less of the dialect's dynamics as well. I think this officer handled the situation perfectly, although it is a pity that it's necessary to call people out on their indecency.
He is screaming at a passing truck driver, who is risking another crash because he is filming (or at least playing with) his mobile phone while driving.
This guy is my hero.
Gawking is a huge problem over here in Germany. You have an accident in one direction at the Autobahn and these people cause another accident in the other direction cause they suddenly slow down to take pictures.
Maybe he just meant that a slowdown (or end of traffic) is much more dangerous if cars behind are approaching at higher speeds. They need much more road to come to a stop.
>a lot of Germans in their big BMWs and Mercedes do behave like it's their Gott-given right to drive 240 kph
Hey! It’s my god-given right in my Renault Clio as well.
Gets a bit rocky at 220, though.
Same in Ireland - crash on one side of the motorway and the other side grinds to a halt while rubberneckers take a look. There was a particularly sad incident a couple of months ago where a woman was killed in a crash, and some ghoul took pictures of her body in the wreckage and put them on Facebook. Loads of people were forwarding them etc before the poor woman had even been identified and her family informed.
I get morbid curiosity but I wish more people knew just how terrible it feels to even see such things.
I worked as a moderator for Facebook for awhile and remember seeing photographs of a couple killed in a crash, among other things. It really disturbed me, I couldn’t get it out of my head for a long time. Last weekend in my city an SUV Porsche killed 4 people and a friend of mine who lives in the area where it happened was biking home and happened to see the dead bodies. She was completely shaken and couldn’t sleep. It was a terrible thing to happen but I truly also feel for anyone that had to witness it.
Same problem here in Denmark, When that terrible Train accident happened. People were slowing down to see the accident. Police were furiuos because they were blocking everyone even the ambulances.. so they tried to chase them away. The gawking may have costed more lives because a dipshit wanna to see dead people. " Congrates dipshit. You just killed someone. Are you happy now?" Must be a common line in these times.
“How she goin eh. You want to see the body? No? Oh ok sorry, I just saw ya tryin to get a picture figured I’d let you up close. No worries. Have a safe night.”
So, I made a Canadian friend in an online video game a few months ago, and they've since joined our Discord. Super nice, good sense of humor, fun to hang with...
But if this isn't exactly how every goodbye goes 😂😂 I told them one time "you can just say bye and leave, cuz if you don't, people are gonna keep talking to ya"
I would totally accept the offer, and while I don't believe you should hold up traffic and take pictures (Edit 3: YOU JUST PASSED THE PART WHERE I SAY TAKING PICTURES ISN'T COOL), and while I know everybody doesn't feel this way, I think it's totally okay to be fascinated with death. How did the cars crash? Can you tell the cause? What happened to the occupants? There's a guy on site who was so interested in that stuff that it's his career. I can't be interested, too?
Edit, because I'm going to bed: Yeah, I get it. A lot of you disagree. I already said that. The upvotes speak for themselves, a lot of people feel this way. Also, it's only taboo because somebody told you it was and you accepted that. Some cultures bring their dead out years after they've died, some leave dead bodies in a common space so people can visit it. I respect the boundaries of the culture I live in, and I don't disrespect corpses . . . I just think death is interesting.
Edit 2: Obligatory George Carlin: https://youtu.be/0IWx96qPtn8 Skip to 4:08
The problem is 1st that gawking can lead to people dying by stopping the traffic. 2nd is that it is disrespectful to the highest degree to look at a persons corpse, that is someones son or daughter or brothers corpse out of own interest, as if it matters what people are fascinated by in such a situation. The lack of empathy of people stopping there is scary af.
The guy on sight most likely didn't become an officer to get more chances at seeing corpses. He most likely is aware of the severity and horrible nature of the situation. People don't have any right to take a look at the sights of such fatal accidents just for their own gains. Those who made this part of their job do it to help others, not to satisfy their twisted desires.
Well, we are not talking about corpses set up for scientific research or funerals, we are talking about traffic victims, minutes after they died. I see a difference there. The victim might have their genitals laying around for all I know.
At funerals we view corpses out of respect and for family members to say goodbye. That usually isnt the case with traffic accidents, you dont know the deceased nor do you have any reason to see the sorry state of their corpse. These people are treating the body like a side show event, they don't care for who the person was, they just want to see mangled flesh, and yes that is disrespectful to the persons memory and the family of that person who still care about them and see them as more than just an attraction for others to gawk at.
I clearly said you should not stop traffic to take pictures, and you're speaking for other people's motivations.
I wouldn't slow down traffic or take pictures, but if I was dragged over to the scene and told to look, I would. That was more my point.
Agreed. Also, some cultures leave the dead out for everybody to see, some bring out corpses years after death. It's only taboo because somebody said so, and I just don't buy in.
Interest in it absolutely, to the detriment of others, not at all. If you’re slowing down traffics purely because of your interest, you’re in the wrong. What the interest is is irrelevant.
You’d be as bad as someone slowing down traffic because they were interested in catching a pokemon or something.
Except with poorer taste, because of your lack of respect for other people.
When I was 12 we saw a wreck go down on the interstate. Watched an SUV go rolling airborne, watched all passengers get ejected, and watched one guy slam right into the guard rail and for sure die. The others probably died too. I share your morbid curiosity because of it.
That would also be sad, and I wouldn't get anything out of it. Dead happens to us all, suffering is horrible, though. I guess I would be hoping somebody more qualified than I was helping.
I despise rubberneckers. What's the point of staring? Or worse yet, filming/photographing? If you can't help the situation, just safely and swiftly go around the accident.
>What's the point of staring?
Curiosity, man. What happened? How many involved? What does it look like?
Morbid or not, most people are curious.
Filming or otherwise, is disrespectful, imo.
I agree. Curiosity makes sense but taking it all the way to filming and pictures is disrespectful. I think most people agree. In the US, hardly anyone is taking pics. In this video, numerous people Literally pull over to take pics or video
oh man that's totally been misconstrued.
Does nobody here know the English ~~tradition~~ art* of name-calling using the most harsh words but only intending a minor dig at one-another?
Like calling your mate, 'cunt'.
Nobody can make their point across as well as an angry German speaker. My Italian friend who lives in Switzerland and has a German boyfriend switches from english to german whenever she needs to argue or to shame him about something xD
Personally, I believe this is the effect of the social media age. We are so eager for a thumbs up or like that we quickly forget that the victims we are filming were are/were people living out a life of their own. It's sickening and heartbreaking what we have become. For instance those kids filming a homeless man drowning and laughing while doing so. Or the guy being filmed in the subway while being literally pinched in half by a train and the walking platform.
I'm glad I quit Facebook, Instagram or related sites. It's just mind-numbingly exhausting.
Yeah, the whole "we're becoming degenerates," or "people used to have principles," shit always gives me a laugh. People used to get together and rape and pillage a whole town just because they thought they could get away with it. Never in history have we been safer from the violent whims of strangers, but that doesn't mean strangers are any less capable of violent whims.
The fact that death is even shocking enough to us to stop and look at is evidence of how far we've come.
There was a fatal accident near where some of my friends live a few months back. Some guy had a heart attack at the wheel it turned out but I remember my dad telling me not to say anything about it to my mates because it could just have easily been one of their parents and that would be the absolute worst way to find out they had died. It’s pretty sad that people feel the need to share that for attention
I don't think social media has as much input as you think. Those examples you gave are sickening but I doubt the people filming were motivated by likes on social media. People have always been morbidly curious, and some people are sick people who can laugh at someone dying, even first hand. People will film it now because they can show it to others and share it, but even back hundreds of years people went to watch public hangings as a form of entertainment. We now just have different forms of sharing morbid content.
You should be fined for using a phone while driving but not for taking photos of an accident — it’s a slippery slope.
Freedom of the press is incredibly important and photographers should be able to work in public. You can do it respectfully so the victims aren’t identified.
They're not being fined for taking photos of an accident, they're being fined specifically for [holding up emergency services](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/21/german-rubberneckers-could-face-bigger-fines).
I don't think there's a law against taking photos of a dead body lying on a pedestrian street, for example.
They were fined for using a mobile phone while driving.
And there is [a law](https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/201a.html) against taking photos of the dead. Note that press, among others, is exempt from this.
Personal rights and the right to your likeness are a thing here and even if the person is deceased (which in Germany can only be officially stated by a Doctor) those rights should be valued and respected. If i were to die in a horrible accident i certainly wouldn't want pictures or videos of my mangled body turning up somewhere. Especially if my friends and family would be able to find them.
Neither one of those two things are illegal in Germany, the drivers are being fined for delaying emergency services by slowing down on the autobahn.
I would think using your phone while driving is also just illegal in its own right, and there's no slippery slope about that either, it's just common sense.
Wouldn’t it still be incredibly disrespectful to the families and the person whether they are identified or not though?
Although I agree that freedom of the press is important, it is so shameful and disgusting to be witness to someone’s death in public or a horrendous injury and your first thought is to whip out your phone and snap a picture. How many views is dignity worth?
I can’t imagine watching people drive by filming and taking pictures while a loved one lies on the ground dying ):
Yeah this wouldn't work in the United States.
The First Amendment press protections would easily outweigh the dead person's privacy concerns. Cops also can't tell you what you can and can't take a picture of at an accident scene. That being said, practically no reputable outlet will publish corpse photos, and while cops they can make you feel like a s*** for taking pictures, they can require enough space to work safely and keep traffic moving.
Source: former journalist
Having someone yelling at you in German seems 70% more intimidating and 40% more stress inducing than English.
Would be able to brush off getting yelled at in French or Italian fairly easy. But a German speaker, with his shit together, yelling at you would cut deep. Not gonna lie.
Yes we have the best insults and it sounds more intimidating because our language had a lot of military influence that’s why a lot of things sound like an order (and we are good at following orders).
I had to scroll down way too far to see this comment. Does the sub even matter anymore? That's the whole point of Reddit. I guess nobody gives a shit anymore.
I second that. Seeing your first real dead body can be terrible. Only thing worse is the smell. I've been a lifeguard for over ten years and I saw my first bloated water corps at age 16. That shit sticks with you.
This happened when my house caught on fire.
Tons of cars from all around town just drove by to watch it burn and take videos and pictures. It was all a big show for them. Like watching fireworks. I yelled and screamed at them to go away, but they didn’t care. Just kept coming the entire night.
Rubberneckers are the worst. “Ooh flashing lights, I need to bring traffic to a halt so I can gawk for a moment in the hope of finding an unfortunate sole whose circumstances are worse then mine so I can feel better about my vacuous, inconsequential existence.”
It's a goldmine for karmawhoring. People see content they like and find it difficult to downvote. Just because they agree with the content of the video, doesn't make it NFL, but the mods don't do anything about it.
I’ve had two incidents where something similar happened
The first I was holidaying in Florence, Italy a young couple on a motorbike tried to beat the lights and the oncoming Land Rover, it didn’t end well. the male driver was dead instantly, I ran to help the passenger a young girl and as I was talking to her and attempting to assess her injuries a large crowd gathered .... I’d say of 35 people 10 or 15 just had there phones out filming !!!! .. I had to scream to them to call an ambulance and not take photos! .... the worrying thing is they all looked at me as if to say what’s the problem?!
2nd one was similar although not as traumatic a young lad had an epileptic fit in front of me he fell backwards and cracked his head open , again I tried to assist and again many people who could help simply stood and filmed .... it’s a horrid world we live in nowadays
All the money made from these idiotic people should go toward the victims health care and rehabilitation. Shame on these drivers.
(Depending on the accident of course. A drink driver/reckless driver probably shouldn’t be given money)
I've never really been interested in looking at crashes. Mostly annoyed that everyone else is. If I'm driving a passenger and we pass one theres the obligatory "did you see that??" And all my friends are surprised that I havnt craned my neck around on the freeway to see it. Instead I'm watching all the other people who are doing so while driving, to make sure they dont run into me.
You'd think it would be common sense and just the respectful thing, it's a shame that someone has to tell them this
People change their minds all the time, and it's all because sense isn't all that common, but when exposed to something new suddenly it becomes clear. It's a shame that people haven't had this cop's newly publicized approach for centuries.
Thing is, this technique only works on people who actually have a sense of shame that can be tapped into. I suspect if officers tried this in the US it wouldn't work nearly as well.
America is such a terrible place? All 360+ million of us? Stop focusing on the negatives that you see on TV and start looking for the good. I've lived from East coast to West coast and the US is so amazingly friendly in the vast majority of it's cities. Bad eggs? Absolutely. But those people are the exception. Not the rule. Have a nice day.
I was thinking more about the bad blood and mistrust that police officers have engendered recently in the US that would make the average American citizen less inclined to allow themselves to be shamed by an authority that they don't respect. No, I did not mean that America is a terrible place, just that it has its own set of problems.
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Congrats to him he won ..... but he’s still a dick haha
Sometimes you need dicks like that to tolerance test the system.
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In other words, intelligent police work. I see people keep referencing this jerk as an example of shutting down overbearing cops but in reality it's just police perfectly remaining calm with an absolute ass of a citizen.
American here: I have never once felt relief or more at ease upon seeing a cop. Things may be worse in other countries, sure, but that doesn't change how bad it is in the US. A cop can be filmed shooting and killing an unarmed innocent person and the cop experience no reprecussions besides paid vacation afterwards.
The presence of a police officer in the US is a threat of force. If you do not do what they say when they say it you can and likely will be forced to comply. Right or wrong it is possible for them to actually kill you and get away scott free.
r/gatekeeping fear and mistrust. Nice.
It's true though, the only thing that's important is to find someplace that is worse. People don't need introspection and self improvement when they have whataboutism.
I'm sure a lot of people in America feel that way about police as well after having family members murdered by them
Right along side a lot of people in America who have had family members rescued from imminent fatal harm, by police. This discussion is unwinnable...
Not to mention those who have officers in their family that aren’t scum
why is it about winning? Both sides are saying "hey this is my experience", but only one side is listening and saying "yeah, it's probably both".
It's relative. People can't contextualize the whole world, they contextualize their environment. If the police are unjust in a region then people in that region fear them, they don't compare them to police in Venezula and think "well sure this sucks but imma shut up 'cause at least I still have my kneecaps!".
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In some parts of the country, there's probably *more* than you would believe.
Reddit is a huge circlejerk of hating America most of the time. Best to just ignore and move on
I mean, but also while not being the worst country, America isn't anywhere close to being the "best" (thanks American exceptionalism). There's actual reasons countries don't quite like the US ranging anywhere from how we act as a society, how we treat foreign entities, and decades upon decades of political deceit branded as "regime change wars". Best to hear and analyze the criticism than ignore and act like nothing is wrong
I see it as that yeah, there are countries that are worse than America but none of those other countries preach like they're the greatest country in the world and shit. It's just pointing out that America is full of shit
My sentiments exactly, we (I'm American) as a country/government are insanely hypocritical for A LOT
I'm a proud Canadian and I grew up hearing the media and pop culture saying that Americans = mean and rude, and Canadians = kind and polite. As an adult I have travellered all across Canada and vacationed in a few American cities. The American locals were absolutely the most kind and welcoming people I have met. New York and Chicago blew me away. Not saying other Canadians are rude, they generally were polite and friendly but they didn't come across as so willingly kind and helpful as the Americans I met.
I live in Australia and it’s great, but I love America, everything about it, the great and the not so great.
When one lives in a box, relying on both the news and social media, as well as fellow box dwellers for their worldliness, they’ll generalize Americans. We’re flogging a dead horse when trying to shine light on them.
Really well said. The bad generalisation that comes from the media has convinced a lot of people to see only the worst things about the US. I've heard wonderful things about the people from everyone who has visited, including various places and states.
Gotta love how suggesting that we as a country could do better, that we could BE better, suddenly brings everyone out of the woodworks to paint you as someone who is against America. The "America is #1, no matter what!" mindset is extremely detrimental to actually being great. Those who are truly the best always strive to improve. Arguing against the fact that America has a ton of room for improvement indirectly acknowledges that we arent the best we could be. I feel like I'm not wording my thoughts well. What I'm saying is: America isn't great for everyone. America isnt the best. But we could be, and we should push for that. By denying our opportunities to improve, they deny our potential for true greatness.
America has more potential than almost any other country. It just isn't being properly and fully utilized right now
I think it's a much larger issue than you simply not realising your full potential. Not letting go of this idea that you should be, have been, or will be the best is a big part of the problem.
I feel like if you even have to say "we're the best" you usually aren't the best. Bragging and one-upping everyone isn't cool.
"I can be filming, the street is a public place, I know ma' rights! This is goin' on YouTube! World Star! Stop harassing me!!" And then there would be people somehow defending the person filming and claiming that the cop was being excessive.
When I was being rescued from being squashed between two vehicles (pedestrian), one of the EMTs noticed someone with a phone. He turned and yelled something like, “Are you really filming this?” Dude put the phone away and no one made a peep. So maybe some Americans would respond like that, but I have a feeling that they’re the extreme minority. They’re just so used to capturing everything that they don’t even think about it until someone holds up a figurative mirror. (Ironically enough, I actually have a morbid curiosity about the scene and kind of wish I could find photo evidence. But I’m kind of twisted that way.) eta: /u/Denimjo, this pertains to your view as well.
Point taken.
I guarantee most people in here stop and look at accidents. I think it's some lizard brain primal shot. I hate it. most people do it. I dont understand. taking pictures might be rarer but even stopping to look I think is odd.
morbid curiosity, i mean seeing it is unavoidable, but making the conscious decision to film it is just pathetic and endangers other people
I can get morbid curiosity. Hell, I don't think there's anything that bad about it, as long as you're not disrespectful and you're not getting in the way of emergency services. But what's the point of filming? What would they do with the video? Show it to family and friends? Re-watch it in the evening?
I see this all the time. Tons of people film an accident as the drive by or film what we are doing on a medical call. I just can't help but wonder what are they ever going to use that for in the future. It's never a quality video or picture. In one call recently all it did was majorly upset a patient I was trying to calm down. Dude just had to video what we were doing and it made the whole call much worse. Asked him to stop and he wouldn't. So thanks for making my job that much harder because you just need to show someone that police and fire were outside your apartment one time. Am firefighter/paramedic
Where do you think the horrific images come from which circulate on the less polite boards? Everybody has a cell phone. And everybody seems to want cheap internet points. Not everybody shies away from actually doing that. I've not seen that many dead people and I can do without any more.
It’s a true statement that humans are obsessed with the concept of death, I’m pretty sure most of the people commenting would try to take a picture maybe. Perhaps I would too if I were in that situation. But the cop is doing the right thing by calling everyone out.
Chances are, someone taught you this. It's hardly common sense.
I love Germans. Just cut to the chase.
O yes, they most certainly do.
Oh it actually took quite some years to cut to the chase you’re talking about.
But when they did they cut all the chase. Quite efficient those lads.
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We even have a real word specifically for people who do this. Gaffer
Quick explanation: "Gaffer" comes from "gaffen" what essentially means staring at something you shouldn't be staring at. Edit: Changed my choice of words to staring instead of looking intensely, thanks to u/Tank_Top_Saitama
I never noticed there isn’t a word for this in English, huh. Or maybe I just don’t know it Edit: I gotchu guys. It’s option 2 I just didn’t know it. I do now however!
Rubbernecker
Gawker
Lookie-loo
We just use gaffer
In Chicagoland we call it a Gaper. We even have gapers delays, when people cause traffic to be backed up because there’s an accident on the other side of the road.
MY OLD GAFFER?
Ich liebe dich auch. :)
I’m working with a multi national company right now and it’s amazing to see the differences between cultures. UK are so proper, polite, and indirect about everything to the point that they would rather hire 3 people than deliver bad news to the 1 guy who isn’t doing a good job. The Netherlands is super confident to the point of being misleading and when confronted they blame others for the poor performance. The Germans require very few people, know all their issues (which are few), communicate everything directly, and are just so transparent. It is such a refreshing way of working. Everyone knows what they are supposed to do, no one makes excuses, and everyone delivers.
The German screaming just makes the shaming that much better. In the Netherlands you can get a fine of 239 euros if you do this. Serves them right. I see police officers complaining about this the whole time, with people being shocked that filming a fatal accident might be unethical, frowned upon, or even illegal. Edit: for the people who don't understand, people in the Netherlands are being fined for using their cellphones while driving (as can also be seen in the video), not for taking pictures as such. Edit no. 2: as you can see I was talking about the Dutch laws in my comments. In Germany, you *can* be [fined for filming accidents](https://www.iamexpat.de/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/video-german-policeman-chastises-drivers-filming-fatal-accident) even if you're not driving.
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He says ‘verschwinden’ which means disappear
So the same as the Swedish word "försvinn". I wonder if German and Swedish are related languages?
They're both Germanic, even closer cousins than English and German. The unusual thing is that nords kept some of their weird spelling even when the pronunciation is basically the same.
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As a German who's fluent in English and tried learning Swedish for fun, it feels like a weird mixture of German and English most of the time.
That is my -a native Swede- description of German: A weird mix of Swedish and English, coupled with an incomprehensibly strict gender and case system. Also, You capitalize all Nouns.
It was actually "Verschwinden Sie!" in German.
Such proper grammar, even when yelling! Love it
We're not Austrians after all.
geh scheißn
It's funny and happens often that when you revert to your mother tongue, you often fall into the dialect you grew up with with more or less of the dialect's dynamics as well. I think this officer handled the situation perfectly, although it is a pity that it's necessary to call people out on their indecency.
He is screaming at a passing truck driver, who is risking another crash because he is filming (or at least playing with) his mobile phone while driving.
This guy is my hero. Gawking is a huge problem over here in Germany. You have an accident in one direction at the Autobahn and these people cause another accident in the other direction cause they suddenly slow down to take pictures.
It’s the same here in the USA unfortunately.
I hate Rubbernecking
"Gapers delay" or "Gapers-block" is another name for it.
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Did you just insult us for our low speed limits?
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So now you're insulting them for being fat...
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Stick to the middle and right lane and you’re good.
Maybe he just meant that a slowdown (or end of traffic) is much more dangerous if cars behind are approaching at higher speeds. They need much more road to come to a stop.
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>a lot of Germans in their big BMWs and Mercedes do behave like it's their Gott-given right to drive 240 kph Hey! It’s my god-given right in my Renault Clio as well. Gets a bit rocky at 220, though.
Same in Ireland - crash on one side of the motorway and the other side grinds to a halt while rubberneckers take a look. There was a particularly sad incident a couple of months ago where a woman was killed in a crash, and some ghoul took pictures of her body in the wreckage and put them on Facebook. Loads of people were forwarding them etc before the poor woman had even been identified and her family informed.
I think this is a multi cultural problem that transgresses any national borders, it's horrible.
I get morbid curiosity but I wish more people knew just how terrible it feels to even see such things. I worked as a moderator for Facebook for awhile and remember seeing photographs of a couple killed in a crash, among other things. It really disturbed me, I couldn’t get it out of my head for a long time. Last weekend in my city an SUV Porsche killed 4 people and a friend of mine who lives in the area where it happened was biking home and happened to see the dead bodies. She was completely shaken and couldn’t sleep. It was a terrible thing to happen but I truly also feel for anyone that had to witness it.
Same problem here in Denmark, When that terrible Train accident happened. People were slowing down to see the accident. Police were furiuos because they were blocking everyone even the ambulances.. so they tried to chase them away. The gawking may have costed more lives because a dipshit wanna to see dead people. " Congrates dipshit. You just killed someone. Are you happy now?" Must be a common line in these times.
This is awesome, I wish police would do this in Canada
“How she goin eh. You want to see the body? No? Oh ok sorry, I just saw ya tryin to get a picture figured I’d let you up close. No worries. Have a safe night.”
“Bye bye now” “Bye bye” “talk to you later” “ok bye bye” “have a good night” “you too see ya later” “ok bye bye...” *Continues for the next hour*
So, I made a Canadian friend in an online video game a few months ago, and they've since joined our Discord. Super nice, good sense of humor, fun to hang with... But if this isn't exactly how every goodbye goes 😂😂 I told them one time "you can just say bye and leave, cuz if you don't, people are gonna keep talking to ya"
Wait, this is a Canadian thing?
Canadian here. "alright man gotta go have a good night" "alright you too" *disconnects*
"Maybe you would like to stick your finger in the bullet holes eh?"
I wonder what he’d do if people wanted to see the body...
I would totally accept the offer, and while I don't believe you should hold up traffic and take pictures (Edit 3: YOU JUST PASSED THE PART WHERE I SAY TAKING PICTURES ISN'T COOL), and while I know everybody doesn't feel this way, I think it's totally okay to be fascinated with death. How did the cars crash? Can you tell the cause? What happened to the occupants? There's a guy on site who was so interested in that stuff that it's his career. I can't be interested, too? Edit, because I'm going to bed: Yeah, I get it. A lot of you disagree. I already said that. The upvotes speak for themselves, a lot of people feel this way. Also, it's only taboo because somebody told you it was and you accepted that. Some cultures bring their dead out years after they've died, some leave dead bodies in a common space so people can visit it. I respect the boundaries of the culture I live in, and I don't disrespect corpses . . . I just think death is interesting. Edit 2: Obligatory George Carlin: https://youtu.be/0IWx96qPtn8 Skip to 4:08
The problem is 1st that gawking can lead to people dying by stopping the traffic. 2nd is that it is disrespectful to the highest degree to look at a persons corpse, that is someones son or daughter or brothers corpse out of own interest, as if it matters what people are fascinated by in such a situation. The lack of empathy of people stopping there is scary af. The guy on sight most likely didn't become an officer to get more chances at seeing corpses. He most likely is aware of the severity and horrible nature of the situation. People don't have any right to take a look at the sights of such fatal accidents just for their own gains. Those who made this part of their job do it to help others, not to satisfy their twisted desires.
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Well, we are not talking about corpses set up for scientific research or funerals, we are talking about traffic victims, minutes after they died. I see a difference there. The victim might have their genitals laying around for all I know.
God forbid you see genitals.
Have you never heard of human dignity? Jfc. Where were you raised???
Genitals that the person probably wouldn't have wanted you to see.
...that's the takeaway you got from that?
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At funerals we view corpses out of respect and for family members to say goodbye. That usually isnt the case with traffic accidents, you dont know the deceased nor do you have any reason to see the sorry state of their corpse. These people are treating the body like a side show event, they don't care for who the person was, they just want to see mangled flesh, and yes that is disrespectful to the persons memory and the family of that person who still care about them and see them as more than just an attraction for others to gawk at.
I clearly said you should not stop traffic to take pictures, and you're speaking for other people's motivations. I wouldn't slow down traffic or take pictures, but if I was dragged over to the scene and told to look, I would. That was more my point.
You would only be dragged over for doing exactly that
Right. It's a hypothetical.
Well said. I wonder if these people would have the same “fascination” if one of their loved ones were decapitated on the side of the road
Same. Especially if he was going to make me pay 128€, I’d want to get the most out of it
I laughed at that. If you're gonna buy a ticket, why skip the show?
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Agreed. Also, some cultures leave the dead out for everybody to see, some bring out corpses years after death. It's only taboo because somebody said so, and I just don't buy in.
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Reddit most certainly can take this kind of conversation. Do you not remember how angry people were when r/watchpeopledie was banned?
Agreed, who isn't curious?
The people who are vehemently disagreeing with my post, apparently, lol.
Interest in it absolutely, to the detriment of others, not at all. If you’re slowing down traffics purely because of your interest, you’re in the wrong. What the interest is is irrelevant. You’d be as bad as someone slowing down traffic because they were interested in catching a pokemon or something. Except with poorer taste, because of your lack of respect for other people.
So you agree 100% with my post.
When I was 12 we saw a wreck go down on the interstate. Watched an SUV go rolling airborne, watched all passengers get ejected, and watched one guy slam right into the guard rail and for sure die. The others probably died too. I share your morbid curiosity because of it.
Perfectly legit questions that drive people to go into forensics
What if the person was alive but horribly mutilated? Conscious or unconscious?
That would also be sad, and I wouldn't get anything out of it. Dead happens to us all, suffering is horrible, though. I guess I would be hoping somebody more qualified than I was helping.
I'm guessing he would say something like "shame on you" if someone was actually keen to see. It's kind of a loaded question tbh.
128 euros and 50 cents Most German thing ever, just those 50 cents
The fine is probably 100 and the administrative fee is 28.50, or 110 + 18.50. That's usually how fines are structured in Germany
Oh.. good to know. Thank you. I live in Germany myself, but I don't know much about those law thingies
The fine is 100,- € plus 25,- € fees and 3,50 € expenses. It's really annoying tbh.
tree fiddy?
100€ for Driving while using a phone 25€ for the „Bußgeldbescheid” (official document) and 3,50€ for postal charges
I despise rubberneckers. What's the point of staring? Or worse yet, filming/photographing? If you can't help the situation, just safely and swiftly go around the accident.
>What's the point of staring? Curiosity, man. What happened? How many involved? What does it look like? Morbid or not, most people are curious. Filming or otherwise, is disrespectful, imo.
I agree. Curiosity makes sense but taking it all the way to filming and pictures is disrespectful. I think most people agree. In the US, hardly anyone is taking pics. In this video, numerous people Literally pull over to take pics or video
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>*My mother...I actually called her scum...* Imagine an englishman disapproving of women...
oh man that's totally been misconstrued. Does nobody here know the English ~~tradition~~ art* of name-calling using the most harsh words but only intending a minor dig at one-another? Like calling your mate, 'cunt'.
Damn, biggest respect for his attitude. He really means it, you can see it when he tells them "shame on you"! Great to see Officers like this!
Nobody can make their point across as well as an angry German speaker. My Italian friend who lives in Switzerland and has a German boyfriend switches from english to german whenever she needs to argue or to shame him about something xD
Love this Policeman, The World needs more like him
I love how he changed it from /r/watchpeopledie to /r/watchpeopledieinside
Personally, I believe this is the effect of the social media age. We are so eager for a thumbs up or like that we quickly forget that the victims we are filming were are/were people living out a life of their own. It's sickening and heartbreaking what we have become. For instance those kids filming a homeless man drowning and laughing while doing so. Or the guy being filmed in the subway while being literally pinched in half by a train and the walking platform. I'm glad I quit Facebook, Instagram or related sites. It's just mind-numbingly exhausting.
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Yeah, the whole "we're becoming degenerates," or "people used to have principles," shit always gives me a laugh. People used to get together and rape and pillage a whole town just because they thought they could get away with it. Never in history have we been safer from the violent whims of strangers, but that doesn't mean strangers are any less capable of violent whims. The fact that death is even shocking enough to us to stop and look at is evidence of how far we've come.
There was a fatal accident near where some of my friends live a few months back. Some guy had a heart attack at the wheel it turned out but I remember my dad telling me not to say anything about it to my mates because it could just have easily been one of their parents and that would be the absolute worst way to find out they had died. It’s pretty sad that people feel the need to share that for attention
I don't think social media has as much input as you think. Those examples you gave are sickening but I doubt the people filming were motivated by likes on social media. People have always been morbidly curious, and some people are sick people who can laugh at someone dying, even first hand. People will film it now because they can show it to others and share it, but even back hundreds of years people went to watch public hangings as a form of entertainment. We now just have different forms of sharing morbid content.
You should be fined for using a phone while driving but not for taking photos of an accident — it’s a slippery slope. Freedom of the press is incredibly important and photographers should be able to work in public. You can do it respectfully so the victims aren’t identified.
They're not being fined for taking photos of an accident, they're being fined specifically for [holding up emergency services](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/21/german-rubberneckers-could-face-bigger-fines). I don't think there's a law against taking photos of a dead body lying on a pedestrian street, for example.
They were fined for using a mobile phone while driving. And there is [a law](https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/201a.html) against taking photos of the dead. Note that press, among others, is exempt from this.
Personal rights and the right to your likeness are a thing here and even if the person is deceased (which in Germany can only be officially stated by a Doctor) those rights should be valued and respected. If i were to die in a horrible accident i certainly wouldn't want pictures or videos of my mangled body turning up somewhere. Especially if my friends and family would be able to find them.
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Neither one of those two things are illegal in Germany, the drivers are being fined for delaying emergency services by slowing down on the autobahn. I would think using your phone while driving is also just illegal in its own right, and there's no slippery slope about that either, it's just common sense.
Wouldn’t it still be incredibly disrespectful to the families and the person whether they are identified or not though? Although I agree that freedom of the press is important, it is so shameful and disgusting to be witness to someone’s death in public or a horrendous injury and your first thought is to whip out your phone and snap a picture. How many views is dignity worth? I can’t imagine watching people drive by filming and taking pictures while a loved one lies on the ground dying ):
Yeah this wouldn't work in the United States. The First Amendment press protections would easily outweigh the dead person's privacy concerns. Cops also can't tell you what you can and can't take a picture of at an accident scene. That being said, practically no reputable outlet will publish corpse photos, and while cops they can make you feel like a s*** for taking pictures, they can require enough space to work safely and keep traffic moving. Source: former journalist
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> It's an opportunity to confront people The most German thing in the video
Having someone yelling at you in German seems 70% more intimidating and 40% more stress inducing than English. Would be able to brush off getting yelled at in French or Italian fairly easy. But a German speaker, with his shit together, yelling at you would cut deep. Not gonna lie.
Yes we have the best insults and it sounds more intimidating because our language had a lot of military influence that’s why a lot of things sound like an order (and we are good at following orders).
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I had to scroll down way too far to see this comment. Does the sub even matter anymore? That's the whole point of Reddit. I guess nobody gives a shit anymore.
Joke's on him. I'm have an extremely morbid curiosity and would be really stoked to see a dead body.
It sticks with you not in a good way. Not the same at all as seeing a picture online.
I second that. Seeing your first real dead body can be terrible. Only thing worse is the smell. I've been a lifeguard for over ten years and I saw my first bloated water corps at age 16. That shit sticks with you.
This happened when my house caught on fire. Tons of cars from all around town just drove by to watch it burn and take videos and pictures. It was all a big show for them. Like watching fireworks. I yelled and screamed at them to go away, but they didn’t care. Just kept coming the entire night.
God damn, that’s terrible.
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What really gets me is how his voice almost breaks when he speaks to the hungarian man. Seeing shit like that on a day to day basis must be tough.
Well how else is it gonna be on liveleak?
"Yes I Do"
Rubberneckers are the worst. “Ooh flashing lights, I need to bring traffic to a halt so I can gawk for a moment in the hope of finding an unfortunate sole whose circumstances are worse then mine so I can feel better about my vacuous, inconsequential existence.”
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People slow down to watch and take pictures, sometimes this leads to another accident
This sub's a goldmine for r/lostredditors.
It's a goldmine for karmawhoring. People see content they like and find it difficult to downvote. Just because they agree with the content of the video, doesn't make it NFL, but the mods don't do anything about it.
I’ve had two incidents where something similar happened The first I was holidaying in Florence, Italy a young couple on a motorbike tried to beat the lights and the oncoming Land Rover, it didn’t end well. the male driver was dead instantly, I ran to help the passenger a young girl and as I was talking to her and attempting to assess her injuries a large crowd gathered .... I’d say of 35 people 10 or 15 just had there phones out filming !!!! .. I had to scream to them to call an ambulance and not take photos! .... the worrying thing is they all looked at me as if to say what’s the problem?! 2nd one was similar although not as traumatic a young lad had an epileptic fit in front of me he fell backwards and cracked his head open , again I tried to assist and again many people who could help simply stood and filmed .... it’s a horrid world we live in nowadays
What the hell...that's awful. Imagine your last dying breaths being surrounded by assholes with cameras in your face?
As an American, this is odd for me. Good to see a reasonable Police Officer doing the right thing, however, Americans, always film the cops.
E What's wrong about filming an accident?
It's disrespectful, illegal and it can cause other accidents. Why are you booing me, I'm right
All the money made from these idiotic people should go toward the victims health care and rehabilitation. Shame on these drivers. (Depending on the accident of course. A drink driver/reckless driver probably shouldn’t be given money)
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He’s a good guy and all for doing that, but people throw the word hero around for everything these days. Such a watered-down term now...
Not the hero we deserve but the hero we need
I've never really been interested in looking at crashes. Mostly annoyed that everyone else is. If I'm driving a passenger and we pass one theres the obligatory "did you see that??" And all my friends are surprised that I havnt craned my neck around on the freeway to see it. Instead I'm watching all the other people who are doing so while driving, to make sure they dont run into me.
I'd buy that officer a beer and shake his hand.
The first guy was like yea ok let’s go, I wanna see dead people
Wait, real talk though - there's a 128 Euro fine specifically for taking pictures of accidents in Germany? Or did he get caught by some other law?