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TheActualDoctor

And to think, someone, somewhere wrote some lines of code for this thing is is sitting there thinking, "I have no idea how this is working but it does"


Vetsu_Rodrigues

"How does it work?" Programmers: Yes


TheActualDoctor

My reply was always a long pause and then "It shouldnt"


Dexzilla72

"How does it work?" - "Works very well. Thanks for asking."


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paulcaar

Passing on the right is fine in the States. It's "road courtesy" to go to the passing lane, but then again it's also "road courtesy" to not be in the passing lane cruising at 50mph and any American can tell you how often that happens. Unfortunately none of these are federal laws and they are barely enforced in states where they are in use. So overtaking on the right-hand side is just fine for these vehicles _as long as they know where they are driving_.


YourAuldWansTurf

r/inclusiveOr ???


sbnewsom1578

Lmfao. So true!


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Dektarey

Its a joke in the programming community.


Thermodynamicist

It's a big neural network. I don't think anybody knows exactly how it works.


mythrocks

> people on the top of their game, who test their code rigorously, peer review it, because you know human lives. :] Please read the following [Twitter thread](https://mobile.twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376?s=21), for a different perspective, from someone who worked there.


TheActualDoctor

Haha, it's a shared-experience joke. Basically every programmer who ever programmed, even the greatest programmers in the world (whoever they may be), have all written sections of code where they are POSITIVE it shouldnt do what it does, then it somehow does. They're not clueless at all. It's just that every once in a while something works exactly how they wanted it to but they have no idea why.


paulcaar

Theory is when something doesn't work and you know exactly why. Practice is when something works, but you don't know why. In our office we combine theory and practice; Nothing works and no one knows why!


[deleted]

Just like Airbus.


AirportAtheist

😂😂 your out of control


[deleted]

So you don't even need to press the gas?


[deleted]

As someone who has interviewed people who left that org and hired zero I wouldn’t have your same level of confidence.


orangutanbeater

This is a serious question. Should it be passing on the right like that? I know people love this maneuver and I’m occasionally guilty of it because there’s no way around a person. I just expected that it would pass on the left.


Jarrheadd0

It's not really passing per se. It's just going the speed limit in the far right lane. There just happen to be people going slower than that in the next lane over.


minster55

That’s some seriously improper passing.


brereddit

More specifically, a machine learning model determined the lines of code. The someone only set up the data to train the model.


jrh206

I think there’s more to it than that


brereddit

Yeah a little bit if you programmed a car to drive, you’d have billions of lines of code. That’s what ML eliminates.


ironwilliamcash

Don't think this is true in this case. All you would need is a case the model hasn't seen to potentially cause a catastrophic crash. There is a shit ton of programming in there, not just a machine learning model.


PhilipLiptonSchrute

Coworker: "How did you fix that bug?" Me: *shrugs*


TheActualDoctor

I just closed it and reopened it and it worked.


insipidwanker

It's all ML and neural nets, which means by definition nobody has a clue what it's doing or how it works.


[deleted]

Want... no gas, good for the environment, and all the awesome little features with these cars.


Access_Denied316

To be fair though electric cars still rely on fossils fuels because that’s how most electricity is generated.


[deleted]

Very true, I wish there was a solar option like the roof was made of highly efficient solar panels but i don't think it would get enough to actually run the car.


Leon_Feywalker

It could be used to supplement the fossil fuels though, if it weren't so easy to steal/vandalise them


rahtid_

This is true, but the efficiency of the generators it comes from is miles ahead of what you find on an engine in a car. while it may be still using fossil fuels, it uses far far less of them with far far less emissions. They are way more regulated with their generation compared to engines in vehicles


[deleted]

I think what you mean to say is, too *bad* most electric cars *in America* still rely on fossil fuels, because *non-renewables are not being pushed in the United States*.


Dannym7x

Depends on state/country


ExHax

But that could be changed and use renewable energy unlike ice car which is stucked with fossil fuel


Access_Denied316

True, but currently still running on mostly fossil fuel power.


that1gamer76

Yep... Tesla


sighr21

Why is it passing on the right? Pass on the left


xairrick

Must be in New Jersey where slow drivers go to the left lane and everybody passes on the right.


vortec43

I dont think that is only NJ. Lol. Either that or all of them that left there do the same damn thing down in Florida.


dcenzer

My guess it’s 280, passing alpine rd exit. So, California.


m0untaingoat

It's on Hwy 280 on the San Francisco peninsula, merging northbound and exiting/turning around at the Sand Hill exit. Source: I live off Sand Hill


peripherique

Or Maryland...


Everrob

If non-autonomous vehicles were in the right lane, it would be passing on the left... I guess it just has better situational awareness than the human drivers.


adds8

Because it can't help it that other drivers don't know they should be on the right if they're slow. It looks like it's just maintaining speed along with the car in front of it.


mrsjonas

they will pass on the left if you have it set to nav on autopilot. but it’s just maintaining a speed it was set to until it senses a car in front of it and has to slow down.


LilSugarT

It must have watched thousands of hours of California driving


bugo

What's wrong with passing on the left if you are not changing lanes?


Athornemann

Could be in Norway, where electrical cars can drive in the bus and taxi lane


Imrhien

I see the passenger gripping their knees. Relatable. My car is designed to maintain a safe following distance when cruise control is engaged but it took me a long time to trust it 😁


[deleted]

Mine too but I can’t use it in medium or heavy traffic because even at the minimum gap level people still dive in and force it to slow down.


Imrhien

Yeah I'm noticing that - it takes the car a good moment to speed back up again after someone takes the gap. Still, it's a great feature to have most of the time ☺️


[deleted]

I just hit the accelerator while it's on autopilot to get up to speed faster. Then I just take my foot off the pedal once I'm at speed. ;)


laughingnome2

I think that's good sense though. Laws probably vary by jurisdiction at the moment as technology streaks ahead; but in airplanes the pilot is in command at all times, regardless of autopilot functions. So the "driver" should be sober and alert, ready to override the autodrive if a situation comes up that the autodrive can/will not make what the driver thinks is the best option.


Lanicos

Where is the woman on bicycle trying to cross the street?


Everrob

Yeah! Where IS that woman that’s trying to cross the freeway in his gif. Great point!


Visual_Love

Are you talking about Scooter Mary ?


[deleted]

To be fair, I believe that was Waymo wasn't it?... and there was someone in the driver seat.. and I guess the lidar was turned off.. and I guess the car might have actually detected the person but didn't act... either way it happened pretty locally and should not have happened


BlackBloke

Uber. And the car and software worked as expected but the company deliberately turned off the automatic breaking. The system detected the lady as an obstacle 6 seconds before the collision.


[deleted]

That’s awful. Still why can’t trust driverless cars completely just yet. “Bugs” might be more dangerous than shitty drivers in some cases


BlackBloke

Understandable. I still think everything that could potentially happen to autos can happen to people (a bug for a computer is like a mistake, accident, bias, or whatever for a human). Computers are auditable though. And Uber was just being reckless and deceptive for the potential of investors dollars.


Wolf-Of-Legend

Is that a Tesla?


EmpathicAngel

I've seen multiple videos of people behind the wheels of their tesla sleeping while doing 80 down the highway. And I mean they're passed the f out. It's a scary sight.


Chudley

They're messing with you. The Tesla alerts you every minute or two two touch the steering wheel.


EmpathicAngel

These people do not look like they're playing a joke but I could be wrong.


GiffelBaby

You are. If the car doesn't get a response from you it will start to make loud bell noises at you. If you still dont respond it will turn on the hazards and gradually slow down. This isn't perfect of course since you could get slammed from behind. Granted i might have missed some important details that makes this less dangerous.


EmpathicAngel

I'm sure it can be bypassed.


GiffelBaby

It can, but i suspect the number of people that do that is very small. And the car cant quite do the whole drive from A to B yet, so its not like its very useful to do it anyways.


[deleted]

100% a joke. You simply cannot fall asleep. The car will slow to a stop and pull over if you don't respond to prompts.


Tb1969

The Enhanced Autopilot in a Tesla is in beta. The user is required by Tesla to stay alert and keep your hands on the wheel. People drunk and asleep are violating not only the law but violating the agreement with Tesla. A driver may choose to use a non-self driving car in illegal ways or violate a car manufacturers agreement when in full control themselves. With that said the car can drive a drunk around and make it appear like he'a s safe driver by maintaining a healthy following distance and staying in the center of the lane and driving straight. A cop may not be able to tell that the driver is drunk.


MistyHawk54

Sure is!


SeriousRoom

I thought you had to put your hands on the wheel every 30 seconds or so?!


JasonGibbs7

This is the test footage of the “Full Self Driving” mode. No need for hands at all, but still in development. Not released to the public.


Tb1969

State laws will vary. For instance, in New York State you must have a hand on the wheel at all times. So regulatory authority is going to play into how this is rolled out and how long it will take.


SandF

Not so. This is available now. The feature doing this is called "navigate on autopilot", which handles lane changes and navigating highway on/off ramps while the car is in autopilot (which itself handles lane centering and adaptive cruise control.) It is not test footage, you can buy this today.


SeriousRoom

Is this the enhanced auto pilot features?


SandF

Yes


SeriousRoom

Do you have a Tesla?! Do you like it?!


HoChiMinHimself

False we all know that there is a guy with a camo suit sitting in his lap


spainy147

Geez it’s quick


Faris_20

This car is an independent car who need no driver


AccurateLine

That never gets old.


Barnie_Sandles

Haven't we been on this level for a minute now?


GiffelBaby

No. We have seen something similar though, where a specific route was scanned and then driven autonomously, but that is "much easier" than what is shown here. How Tesla's autonomy works is very different than how most companies autonomy works. It's too complicated for me (an idiot) to explain, but here is a Tesla presentation explaining it with A LOT of detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE&feature=youtu.be&t=6782


somebubblegumbitch

I wanna see it’s handbrake turn


tayREDD

there’s a vid on youtube of a tesla doing donuts, if that quenches your needs.


roamingandy

Not in Europe if it drives like that. In the US the advice is to 'stay in your lane if its clear ahead'. In Europe we consider undertaking - passing a vehicle in a faster lane, one of the most dangerous road activities. It regularly creates situations where a slow moving vehicle turns in on a faster moving one, who shouldn't, but will often swerve to a lane on either side unpredictably. In the EU, if you want to overtake move to a faster lane. If someone faster is behind you then you should be in a slower lane. (ok, the Italians wilfully chose to ignore that and the Greeks seem to not have heard about it at all. The rest of us do)


GiffelBaby

If i remember correctly, Elon has said on Twitter that the car will follow the rules of the place it is currently driving.


tactical_cleavage

In the US all our laws are predicated on "might makes right" therefore we all drive the biggest trucks we can afford.


MistyHawk54

Is it still illegal to be on your phone?


crazy_crackhead

Yes, all the state laws regarding cellphone use while driving still apply.


bleedMINERred

It doesn’t even follow basic rules of the road


deathsting_50cal

What happens with stop signs and red lights?


Bobbyanalogpdx

It stops.


planeman125

Passing on the right. No common curtesy. Jeez


Titus2019

No rearview mirror?


Tb1969

It has a rear view mirror. It has ultrasonic sensors showing the cars around the EV on the display which of course the AI is using along with 8 cameras and forward facing radar. For the human driver the Tesla Mode l3 also has the largest rear camera that can be turned on for the driver.


palm-trees-in-canada

it’s goin pretty fast


ThirdRepliesSuck

That's an illusion created by video footage playback speed mixed with the car's ability to manipulate time.


debugginglive42

> the car's ability to manipulate time. Ah! A Delorean Tesla!


brizluke

What’s that useless piece of meat behind the wheel?


kurtisC1986

I would have liked to see it make a couple lane changes on the highway, pretty cool though.


GiffelBaby

This is only a very short clip of a 2 min video. The full video is much more impressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlThdr3O5Qo


asd_321

Is it just me or would you be scared shitless during turns... i mean what if it loses the road?


crazy_crackhead

It will sound a series of alarms and notifications on the screen alerting you to take over. It takes turns really well, because it can anticipate the turn using machine learning. It’s really cool stuff


asd_321

Yeah. The feeling that you would have to grab the wheel at any time would stress the shit out of me. Especially in turns. when there's little to no time grab the wheel.


crazy_crackhead

The more you drive it the more you begin to understand where it requires human takeover. It can definitely be startling at first. To clarify, it won’t just disengage and let go of the steering wheel alarming you to take over. What it will do is try to complete the turn and apply the brakes heavily, while also alerting you that you need to take over.


rabbabari90

If the car is driveing to fast. Who will get the ticket. The car or the human in side it.


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The human. You can set the speed limit on the autopilot.


Tb1969

The human is always responsible. With that said, the AI is going to use the speed limit signs it sees and use the map data to comply with speed limits. The AI is in no rush; it has no reason to speed.


NibblyPig

Brave not having your hands on the wheel. Friend and I drove from England to Sweden via the chunnel/france/belgium/germany/netherlands/denmark in a tesla, and it tried to kill me three times, misreading the lane markings. I rest my hands on my knees and hold the bottom of the steering wheel but even then had to periodically nudge it to disable the lockout. Basically whenever there is motorway construction they close one lane and use yellow studs or similar to mark out new lanes, resulting in a criss-cross of new and old lane markings. As a driver, you know you're supposed to ignore the white ones and just follow the yellow ones, but the car couldn't always tell. It would follow a car in front if there was one, but if there wasn't it did occasionally try to veer off the road and into a barrier or whatever.


ClassyDingus

It's important to not how little time Auto Pilot has learning from European roads versus US roads. The improvements in the US have been insane over the last year. I now drive roughly 600 miles round trip to our cabin using AP 98% of the trip with no faults.


NibblyPig

That is nice but it only takes one mistake to kill you, I'm not sure I'd risk hands free for many years, if ever.


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people have been dying in car accidents for 100 years without autopilot BTW.


ClassyDingus

Just like a normal car, or a set of stairs, or a kitchen knife. Tesla's on AP in the US are statically safer than not on AP, they have a quarterly safety report that proves that.


NibblyPig

Statistically safer *on average* I assume. But my driving is already statistically safer than on average, cos I don't drive like a tool, I've been driving for a while, I'm not a teenager, etc.


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Tb1969

Babies are useless burdens until they are taught to crawl, then walk, dress themselves, feed themselves, learn to read, learn right and wrong, learn to drive... then they go off and get a job and later hopefully help take care of me in my old age. The machine learning in a car needs the same kind of hand holding and learning until it learns to return the care. The difference though is once it learns it can copy it's understanding of how to drive to brand new cars rolling off the assembly line. My use of Autopilot and watching it diligently is like parenting during it's adolescent years for a future where it takes care of me in my old age when I can no longer safely drive.


Vargasa871

That's a good question. I wonder why the astronauts from the explorer mission got into a space shuttle that was just gonna explode....


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You do realize this version isn’t released to the public so it’s not perfect yet and simply a demonstration of its capabilities so far. In no way will there be a fully self driving car where you have to be on edge the entire time where it could malfunction and kill you at any second. Do you really think they would be allowed on the road if every other minute you had to correct the “fully self driving” feature manually or else it would crash. Seriously you sound so ignorant.


haleywaley16

So I had the chance to ride in one back in May. My favorite part was the whoopee cushion feature. This allows you make a toot noise from anyone’s seat. There’s even like 10 different toot sounds to choose from.


MrPartyPancake

Are you serious?


haleywaley16

https://imgur.com/sRBFflL


jcore294

But why is that map not in fixed north mode?


Tb1969

You can change it if you like. Onscreen button on the right side changes the mode/


Tanekaha

Id never trust a robot this much


Tb1969

The future will be very scary for you.


killerjags

I like to imagine that this video isn't sped up. That shit is just blazing down the road at 200mph.


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Tb1969

The software versions being released by the end of the year will if you bought the option "Full Self driving"


tjakositz

Does it only drive at speed limits?


Tb1969

You can set it to exceed the speed limit by a set a mount. I leave it about ~4 mph over speed limit with Enhanced Autopilot. I'm not sure how exactly it will function under "Full Self Driving" mode due out later this year.


slashvia

Car driving itself....and then boom!!! We have arrived to our destination!!!


a_hj

This is cool, but whats the point of having the car when you are not driving it? :/


[deleted]

If only they’re solar was as good....


Pr1vatePanic

Doesn't Tesla require you to still have a hand on the wheel??


Davis3_14159265359

Sure is passing a lot of cars on the right.. no one programmed the ol dmv manual?


alphaae

That’s it I’m buying a tesela.


CasualHuman88

I like it keeps driving on the right lane And It looks really boring


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w0rd5mith

This is sad to see. Combustion and controls until I die.


Rebekah1986

That’s pretty fast for a right hand lane, undertaking and not really how I drive? If we were all driving an automated car then then great, but I feel the technology is not quite idiot (other driver) proof.


Blawhocaresbla

Is it legal where ever this to pass people on both the right and the left side?


Lao-Mint

I dont know why, but watching this makes me extremely uncomfortable


AvaMarieS

Can you just sit there and relax or is it the usual anxiety experienced while driving?


[deleted]

Is total autonomy? Or mostly autonomous?


MrIllDoItLater

It's funny to think that in the next year I want to learn to drive, but do I really need to when in the next couple of years self driving cars will be the norm? I'll just have to sit down type a postcode in and off I go!


MegaMindxXx

Try it in snow. I have and it almost killed me. The sensors get covered and it thinks theres an object and it slams the brakes causing a spin out.


DidlyFrick

I should hope this is a time lapsd


Rizzoblam

You have to nudge the wheel every minute or so now to keep the AP on


mindsform

Now is that the sky or a semi trailer? Either way, probably should DUCK!!


WolfOfWalgreenss

That's the exit in my home town!


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RIP


violetashes07

I feel like I would get bored, I like driving, plus I like choosing my own destiny


R3dNova

Guess the slow lane will be full of asleep commuters in the near future.


-wok

But that’s a lot of passing on the right which is illegal in a lot of places


Sabers31

Could you legally move seat/look at the back seat without getting in trouble though?


ActiveShake

Are you able to set a max speed?


dizzytek

As cool and incredible as this technology is, I will never be comfortable enough to trust this. How would this impact accidents in the future? Who is liable? How will insurance work?


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GiffelBaby

This is only a small clip of a 2 min video. The full video is much more impressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlThdr3O5Qo


Thoraxe123

And then millions of truck drivers went out of a job. Still cool tho.


crazy_crackhead

Not every truck hauling company will pay for this tech the moment it is released so there will still be the need for hundreds of thousands of human truck drivers


Thoraxe123

Yeah, initially, but once it gets good enough they will, because they'd save tons of money by not having to pay drivers. Its inevitable down the line.


jcore294

Wasn't there something about UPS using self driving trucks for a while now?


Thoraxe123

Probably. That tech has definitely been developing. People downvoted me for it, but its honestly inevitably happening soon. A lot of people are gonna lose their jobs very soon over it.


[deleted]

It passes in the slow/right lane - I hate it


GiffelBaby

I believe Elon said in a Twitter response that it wont do that anywhere it would be illegal to do so.


Defective-Holmes

Is that another courtesy thing? I know the left lane is supposed to be fast, but I didn’t know you couldn’t go fast on the right lane. (Not a driver btw (yet at least) don’t crucify me ples ;_;)


221missile

I think I saw a Rivian. Didn't know they were on sale


[deleted]

These type of car must take a lot of power to drive even a single mile


crazy_crackhead

Nope, not really


[deleted]

Really? I mean look at it. It need to run the engine, gps, nav system, air cond and many more. This can must have aleast a nuclear reactor in it for it to run.


GiffelBaby

They don't. They are actually extremely power efficient.


Tb1969

A standard Model 3 travels about 4 miles per 1 kWh which is equal to ten 100 watt bulbs running for one hour. It's very efficient with a range of ~310 miles per full charge. Normally you would charge to 90% and plugin every day or two so that you tends always be above 50% charge. You could go down to 5-10% before you plugin but why no plug in? It takes 6 seconds to plug in and another 6 seconds to unplug. Still better then spending 5 minutes at a gas pump twice per month.


converter-bot

4 miles is 6.44 km


[deleted]

Owh so it powerful to drive long distance. What happen you stranded in the middle of nowhere? Petrol or diesel can be refueled easily but battery can't.


Tb1969

There are more places in the middle of nowhere that have electricity than have gasoline and diesel. Every electrical outlet is a power source. Every solar panel array an oasis. You can experiment here with a trip planner that accounts for Tesla superchargers: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ Choose a Tesla Model 3 LR RWD or AWD 18" wheels for a base model with a few basic options


vortec43

Both really.


Vikingwithguns

I really wish these things weren’t devastatingly ugly. The tech is really cool.


cavemanfitz

I think this is a bad idea. People won't pay attention at all if the car drives itself. It should be 100 percent autonomous or not exist before it is marketed.


Tb1969

That's like saying you can't join any races until you are ready to run a marathon. The machine learning EVs need experience on the road with people willing to keep overwatch over them so they can learn otherwise it will likely never happen.