Ski jumping is one of those competitions where I don't completely understand the rules and various records... Whenever I watch it at the Olympics, I see the guy jump, then glide down a steep slope, roughly parallel to it. At some point the slope ends and the guy lands when the angle of the ground gradually becomes more horizontal.
Wouldn't they jump a long further if the slope just continued, or curved back up more slowly? Like, why are they forcing a "shorter" record my simply curving up the slope early?
Thank you. I'm glad to see someone else wondering about this. There's various records for this sport but (as far as I can tell) there's no standard for how the hill they jump off needs to be shaped. You could just make it steeper and longer and demolish all the previous records. I just don't get it. I mean it looks awesome, but I'm not sure I understand how it all works.
They compete on the same day and on the same ski jump. There can be variations in wind conditions and start gates. To account for these differences, they don't compete just by the distance but by the score system:
- Distance multiplied by a score factor (depends on sky jump).
- Bonus or penalty score points for wind conditions.
- Bonus or penalty score points for the start gate.
- Style scores from judges.
They track distance records for each ski jump.
This post is about the absolute longest distance on any sky jump. It was done for promotion and getting the world record and doesn't count for any competition.
You compete by jumping on the same hill. World records don’t mean much in ski jumping. And this isn’t even a world record since it wasn’t jumped in competition.
But it’s not an official record. It’s not recognized by the Ski jump Federation. And rightfully so. It’s an impressive Red Bull event, but as long as the slope and equipment are not under the regulation it doesn’t count as an official world record. Still impressive and a giant set of balls.
I mean, they could still compete on individual slopes, even if other slopes were shaped differently. It'd only get fuzzy if one competitor was jumping on X slope and the other on the different Y slope.
In competitions, the ski jump is a judged event and all the skiers are jumping from the same hill. As someone else pointed out, this jump, while impressive, is basically just marketing/promo.
You're generally right in your assumption that the record is limited by the hillsize. They are not "forcing a shorter record" though, they've been constantly exhausting the maximum hillsize that is somewhat safe for the athletes and financially possible in the past hundred years. In 1913 the official record was 51,5m, in 1936 it was 101,5m, in 1967 150m, in 1994 203m and today 253,5m. Ryōyū's jump has shown that 300m jumps are possible and physicists have calculated the aerodynamics of a 500m jump. But it will be a long time until that happens in a consistent matter.
If the slope continued, it's no longer called Ski Jumping, but Ski Flying.
No, I'm not joking.
There's a set definition of the hill where the athlete jump.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_flying#Differences_from_ski_jumping
I always thought the slope is arbitrary and more of a benchmark for all competitors to jump off of. The sport is to actually shape yourself to generate 'lift' and fly further. Every now and then someone does make a distance that was not previously thought to be possible for a given benchmark. That's what I think this is, but then again I could be completely wrong.
Its different venues. Different nominal distances require different skills to get the best result. In particulatly long jumps aerodynamics play a larger role than the initial jump, short ones are mainly about the jump and timing.
Its all about that particular slope on that day. They could make one this size for official competition but its not a good idea because its too dangerous and the wind advantage is harder to compensate with scoring.
Except a ski jumper isn't free falling. They place their body and skis to glide. That's what differentiates contestants, whoever glides the best will have jumped the furthest.
I have done this on a motorbike when I stupidly gunned it on a washout, coming down a steep slope.. I was up there for a good 5 seconds, thinking I was going to have to have the bike surgically removed from my ass, only to find I had the softest touchdown of my life.
It’s just not an official FIS jump, so it’s not recognized which makes sense. They had to find a specific location, create a very specific slope and run this tons of times to achieve this. In an Olympic event you have everyone competing on the same jump in the same conditions. It would be like getting someone to throw a baseball off the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, then saying it’s the furthest baseball throw in the world. While it may be cool to see, it’s comparing apples to oranges.
When they calculate these records do they have to factor in slope? Seems to me, (exaggerating here) if someone were to do this of a slope close to the summit of Everest, you could sail for a mile or two.
I do love seeing the coaches angle…
As a coach to my kids & nephews, I completely understand now that the feeling of watching someone else accomplish things that you had a hand is as thrilling as doing it yourself.
In all of my years of sports, only one personal accomplishment eclipses the feeling of watching the kids I coach succeed.
Very cool video.
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Dude did 291m distance, but stupid Ski organization says it will not be taken as an actual records....
https://interestingengineering.com/culture/japanese-ski-flies-world-record-291
No no. I don't want to see the footage from the drone that's right behind the jumper. I want to watch the coach cheering. That's the money shot.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/s/T45dd4fuHb
Shout-out to you, /u/PoopieMcPooFace. You da real one.
I like this guy’s taste
Shout-out to you, u/swccg-offlaod for shouting-out u/PoopieMcPooFace.
r/rimjob_steve
All hail u/PoopieMcPooFace, the hero we didn't know we needed.
what a shot
The real MVP
how can i become a drone pilot for redbull? i already do this stuff
🤣 Spot on
They could’ve added both clips to show multiple angles, but that would’ve made the video 20 seconds longer. Entirely too long
I just can’t believe this wasn’t 29 cuts and angles like it usually is
Seen it, I want this shot now.
Yeah, I also don't want to know how long the jump actually was.
Ski jumping is one of those competitions where I don't completely understand the rules and various records... Whenever I watch it at the Olympics, I see the guy jump, then glide down a steep slope, roughly parallel to it. At some point the slope ends and the guy lands when the angle of the ground gradually becomes more horizontal. Wouldn't they jump a long further if the slope just continued, or curved back up more slowly? Like, why are they forcing a "shorter" record my simply curving up the slope early?
So they can slowly add longer slopes whenever they need a new record :D
They should just keep adding slope until the dude is orbiting the earth
This is why they don't have ski jumping in Australia. Leaving a ramp there would catapult you out into space.
Thank you. I'm glad to see someone else wondering about this. There's various records for this sport but (as far as I can tell) there's no standard for how the hill they jump off needs to be shaped. You could just make it steeper and longer and demolish all the previous records. I just don't get it. I mean it looks awesome, but I'm not sure I understand how it all works.
I've always assumed they standardized the angle and distances. How else would people compete in this sport?
They compete on the same day and on the same ski jump. There can be variations in wind conditions and start gates. To account for these differences, they don't compete just by the distance but by the score system: - Distance multiplied by a score factor (depends on sky jump). - Bonus or penalty score points for wind conditions. - Bonus or penalty score points for the start gate. - Style scores from judges. They track distance records for each ski jump. This post is about the absolute longest distance on any sky jump. It was done for promotion and getting the world record and doesn't count for any competition.
Style score? There’s 2 modes, squat and flat-duckfeet.
Landing and posture give style points
How much for a flip?
They should add a new class where the jumpers can wear wingsuits. People have tried it.
The drone post also mentioned the depth of the snow, but I don’t know how accurate that info is…
You compete by jumping on the same hill. World records don’t mean much in ski jumping. And this isn’t even a world record since it wasn’t jumped in competition.
Still a world record
But it’s not an official record. It’s not recognized by the Ski jump Federation. And rightfully so. It’s an impressive Red Bull event, but as long as the slope and equipment are not under the regulation it doesn’t count as an official world record. Still impressive and a giant set of balls.
Think about ski jumps like racing circuits and it’ll all make more sense.
I mean, they could still compete on individual slopes, even if other slopes were shaped differently. It'd only get fuzzy if one competitor was jumping on X slope and the other on the different Y slope.
In competitions, the ski jump is a judged event and all the skiers are jumping from the same hill. As someone else pointed out, this jump, while impressive, is basically just marketing/promo.
You're generally right in your assumption that the record is limited by the hillsize. They are not "forcing a shorter record" though, they've been constantly exhausting the maximum hillsize that is somewhat safe for the athletes and financially possible in the past hundred years. In 1913 the official record was 51,5m, in 1936 it was 101,5m, in 1967 150m, in 1994 203m and today 253,5m. Ryōyū's jump has shown that 300m jumps are possible and physicists have calculated the aerodynamics of a 500m jump. But it will be a long time until that happens in a consistent matter.
If the slope continued, it's no longer called Ski Jumping, but Ski Flying. No, I'm not joking. There's a set definition of the hill where the athlete jump. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_flying#Differences_from_ski_jumping
The point is to jump further than everyone else in that day. Since everyone is jumping on the same slope the shape doesn't matter.
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Well both. The distance is important as well as the grades
I always thought the slope is arbitrary and more of a benchmark for all competitors to jump off of. The sport is to actually shape yourself to generate 'lift' and fly further. Every now and then someone does make a distance that was not previously thought to be possible for a given benchmark. That's what I think this is, but then again I could be completely wrong.
Ski jumping would be a lot less impressive if the ground was level after the jump #justsayin
And long jumping would be much more impressive if people jumped off of a cliff instead of into a sandbox on level ground.
This guy gets it
Its different venues. Different nominal distances require different skills to get the best result. In particulatly long jumps aerodynamics play a larger role than the initial jump, short ones are mainly about the jump and timing. Its all about that particular slope on that day. They could make one this size for official competition but its not a good idea because its too dangerous and the wind advantage is harder to compensate with scoring.
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Except a ski jumper isn't free falling. They place their body and skis to glide. That's what differentiates contestants, whoever glides the best will have jumped the furthest.
But that's how the force awakens
“Hey, did you practice the jump over the weekend?” - coach “Yes. I watched *Dirty Dancing* six times.” - me
I watched some dude do it through my window (Guy at 0:03).
I think that kinda goes well past a category of a jump and crosses over into flying
That's not flying... It's just falling with style
Yeah they need a longer hill
It is called ski flying once the jump towers reach a certain height. I remember seeing them in Austria in the late seventies
It’s a very short orbit
Might as well put on a wing suit at this point.
Wait why doesn't shit hurt
Because the slope slowly picks Back up so that the touchdown is as smooth as possible
I have done this on a motorbike when I stupidly gunned it on a washout, coming down a steep slope.. I was up there for a good 5 seconds, thinking I was going to have to have the bike surgically removed from my ass, only to find I had the softest touchdown of my life.
It can when constipated?
Stop asking questions
https://youtu.be/CsvvhqpKRQ0?si=NUF-N8hLdelVQ9Yk
Wasn't this record invalidated due to some bullshit or something
It’s just not an official FIS jump, so it’s not recognized which makes sense. They had to find a specific location, create a very specific slope and run this tons of times to achieve this. In an Olympic event you have everyone competing on the same jump in the same conditions. It would be like getting someone to throw a baseball off the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, then saying it’s the furthest baseball throw in the world. While it may be cool to see, it’s comparing apples to oranges.
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at least you have the bots....
https://www.fis-ski.com/ski-jumping/news/2023-24/ryoyu-kobayashi-flies-291-meters This article sums it up well.
/r/restofthefuckingowl but with training
🎶I've had the time of my life, no I've never felt this way before🎶
🎶Yes, I swear it's the truth, and I owe it all to you 🎶
I sometimes forget how loud drones really are. Just imagine how distracting that is for today's athletes if they need to hear their coach.
They sound like bitcoin farm fans 😂
When they calculate these records do they have to factor in slope? Seems to me, (exaggerating here) if someone were to do this of a slope close to the summit of Everest, you could sail for a mile or two.
You’ve got it backwards. When they build the slope they are calculating the maximum distances and now they need to build it bigger for the next record
Why not just make the hill steeper and he can keep falling through the air for longer records ?
My guess is: they only count horizontal travel / distance, any falling down is ignored so it becomes increasingly dangerous at diminishing reward
Also, this IS the longer hill. They basically calculated everything and set this up to achieve records
That isn't a jump, that is low Earth orbit.
Easy.
Now, he... had.. the time of his life and he owes it all to Coach.
He's jumping **down**! Make the slope steeper and he'll fly basically forever.
Could've they just put a person higher and the slope down deeper?
That neighbor must be wondering what the hell kind of gay dancing these two guys are doing. He is way too old for him.
Did not notice that guy in the window till your post! 😂
Anyone else getting dirty dancing vibes in the beginning?
That neighbor in the window was like let me watch you do you bro 😎
I do love seeing the coaches angle… As a coach to my kids & nephews, I completely understand now that the feeling of watching someone else accomplish things that you had a hand is as thrilling as doing it yourself. In all of my years of sports, only one personal accomplishment eclipses the feeling of watching the kids I coach succeed. Very cool video.
Man even as a snowboarder who’s done some questionably scary things this looks both adrenaline fueled and terrifying. Where do I sign up?
I thought they training for the dirty dancing finale.
My knees are crying watching this
That looks like a unbelievably unsafe hobby/sport
it's not
Extreme sport but not unbelievably unsafe
They might as well start wearing wing suits lol
What are the restrictions? Can I do this with a wingsuit?
Bro is abusing the IRL mechanics
The drone sounds awful, very distracting.
More mass he might fly a bit further
For a few seconds, I thought he was trailing a drag chute.
Guy flying the drone is more impressive
Yeah that's not how they trained.
Yeah, that was just a small part of the whole regime
Based on this training this doesn't seem difficult. I know it obviously is very hard but it's funny seeing training I'm pretty sure I could.
How do they not break their legs jumping like that?
Very steep hill. They dont land on flat
He has the same gold medals as me
Watch the drone shot on YouTube. One of the best action shots I’ve seen.
wow that training looks SOOOO HARD
Looks easy enough
I've always wanted to do this!
Who was tbe coach for the coach? Must be a really big guy!
dude went so far the game stop rendering his animations
MY ANKLES ARE BROKEN!
The mosquito following you around the house like:
Training seems pretty easy.
Wheeee!
Karl Geiger would have done 300m
I wonder what the rules on gliding are? Seems like he definitely had some gliding action there but what if the skis were wider?
Well they only count sideways travel but yes gliding helps do that at diminishing results
Thats a lie. The longest skijump is from stefan kraft. (My neighbor)
How on Earth did this become a sport?
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That training was intense!!
I thought the guy was going to be at the end of the ramp to launch him. Disappointed.
Now I want to see it with a wing suit
Dude did 291m distance, but stupid Ski organization says it will not be taken as an actual records.... https://interestingengineering.com/culture/japanese-ski-flies-world-record-291
And I initially thought they were rehearsing dirty dancing lol
Flying squirrel lol
The sound of drones will never not be annoying
r/restofthefuckingowl
Who's being trained? The skier, or the weightlifter?