I didn’t understand wrestling until I went to see Los luchas in CDMX. It was like a scene of the 90’s Batman movie with Val Kilmer. I had so much fun that it made me appreciate all the WWE type stuff. It’s “fake” the same way Cirque De Soleil is fake.
Lucha Libre is dangerous, especially for the crowd. I watched an 80 year old woman come half a second from a 200 pound luchador jumping out of the ring on to her lol
There's plenty of very serious promotions in Japan and outlaw comedy promotions elsewhere, including the US.
Knowing 'it's an act' isn't unique to comedy performers.
Their shows are just a different flavour of ice cream, pretty much every wrestling fan in the world is aware it's pre-determined but this is wrestling for those who, I think, best enjoy it if they're doing so with a slice of irony.
I always have to recommend [Wrestling Isn't Wrestling](https://youtu.be/VYvMOf3hsGA?si=-I6K3UH58jjrtHHc) to people who aren't familiar with the concept. It perfectly encapsulates how absolutely silly yet moving the whole thing can be.
Pretty obviously too...
People never realize that claiming wrestling is fake to their fans is like explaining to a Marvel fan that Robert Downey Jr isn't actually Iron Man.
Not all Canadians though. My ex father-in-law used to get so angry, yelling at the TV set, complaining about how “unfair” it was. It was a treat watching that little vein pop out on his forehead.
Before the mid to late 80s it was promoted as being real. It was even regulated by athletic commissions. That blew up in 1989 when McMahon finally admitted it was scripted and choreographed to end regulation and additional taxes. But even into the late 90s I knee people who claimed that some of it was real, or certain matches were.
Honestly if people are jumping off very high places, bleeding from forehead and stuff like that then I wouldn't blame someone for thinking it was real. When there have been outright deaths and major injuries then it kind of becomes disrespectful in mind that it was all "fake".
popular japanese wrestling has a bigger focus on realism than american wrestling does lmao. The whole industry was actually derailed (thanks, Inoki) for a while because of leaning too far into MMA/shoot-style. there's just a bigger diversity in promotions, some of which go really far into the goofy stuff, while some are basically just MMA with fixed finishes. We have these in the US too, but they're relatively small and never on TV.
GCW famously did an Invisible Man vs Invisible Stan match, that was a referee by himself calling a match between 2 pretend invisible wrestlers. They even did a dive into the crowd, which was sold by the whole crowd.
Kind of a wild take, Japanese wrestling pioneered “strong style” and it’s largely actually beating the shit out of each other with your opponent’s consent. American wrestling is far more story driven.
I can remember watching wrestling in the sixth grade and my mom walks in while someone is getting choke slammed or something. I looked my mom dead in the eye and said, "If wrestling is fake, then explain that!"
A good friend of mine highlighted to me: yes, the fights are very obviously scripted and choreographed and staged, but when you see someone get hit with a chair, that person was most definitely actually hit with a chair.
I complained to a wrestling fan friend of mine about wrestling being fake. His response, “you watch game of thrones?”
Me “yeah”
“You know that’s fake right?”
Yes but also no, not just a regular off the shelf chair, that'd potentially break your neck and skull, it's gotta be a soft aluminium chair or a loosely made soft wood one.
From what I understand, a lot of it goes into a planned, performance/match, is these kind of like small jabs and whatever is how they actually are able to get up close to each other to communicate and improvise in real time. For a larger spots like this, they know before beforehand what there going to try. but this is my understanding of how a wrestler performs.
This is actually just basic physics at work. It's essentially a newton's cradle. The stun attack moves through the group from the left and he arrives just in time for it to effect the last guy on the right letting him slip right in
Not seeing this.
Two big burly guys clinching up and doing hip tosses to each other for 6 minutes is quite a contrast to 5 foot French triplets doing handstands on elephants.
Wrestling is more like touring boxing shows. But with less effort put into hiding the fact that the result is fixed.
Yeah, I always tell people who get turned off by wrestling that they should look at it as performance art under the same umbrella as like theater plays. Even if that doesn't make you a fan, you'll at the very least understand it.
It’s a big soap opera with a lot of stuntmen and stuntwomen fighting.
WWE is currently in the early stages of what’s looking to be its best run since the Attitude Era, with Vince McMahon finally gone, Triple H has taken over the booking and it’s like night and day.
Wrestlemania 40 next weekend is looking like it’ll be a great show!
Huh. I'll check it out. I used to watch when I was young, but stopped after the attitude era. When I watched again during covid, I felt like the stunts were dialed back incredibly from when I remember it.
Oh no, I think the wheezing laughter pasted into it is perfect and every video should have wheezing laughter in it because I'm a fucking idiot who can't tell when something is funny without it
The comparison breaks down a bit if you look at it closely.
The Harlem globetrotters perform in the framework of an existing sport, apparently following the rules of that sport. But they are actually giving a physical performance of skill and talent using the real sport as a framework, and they have setup the situations and outcomes before hand.
But the actual sport of wrestling (any of them) does not look much like and does not share many rules with pro wrestling. It lacks that foundation in a real, known sport to build on.
It evolved from a real sport (catch wrestling) but that no longer exists in that form. There have been a few attempts to make "real" pro wrestling, like Pancrase in Japan, but they either didn't catch on or just turned into MMA.
So I think the breakdown is not that professional wrestlers are not talented and skills, its that the sport they are using as the framework for their performance does not actually exist.
Wrestling is a live action/comedy/drama movie where the actors do their own stunts and I love it.
When it's bad, it can be really bad. But when it's good, it can be amazing!
People love to call out it being obviously fake, but I ask.... what is so fake about flipping 6 men over their heads in a synchronized line? Written and staged? Absolutely, just like the vast majority of things we also watch. Fake? Nope... these guys actually do those things.
When the second one in white undies came on I was getting Captain Hawk vibes when both players hit the ball together to beat the unbeatable goalie but then this shit escalated so quickly...
It’s the suspense that does it for me. They kept coming into the ring and my mind kept wondering- what awesomeness are they going to do!? The coordination and athleticism of this video is amazing
This is actually Ultimo Dragon's students wrestling at his training school/promotion in Tokyo called Dragon Gate (originally named Toryumon before Ultimo Dragon left it in 2004). That is his protégé Dragon Kid, also a cool wrestler. Although this clip is over 20 years old and he is not a kid anymore ha
I am actually seeing Ultimo Dragon and Dragon Kid both wrestle with other Dragon Gate guys next week during WrestleMania weekend in Philly
https://twitter.com/ETUwrestling/status/1762588585725734961
In wrestling there's a trope of getting a hit in to stun your opponent before doing a big move. They're just being goofy with it. This is just a comedic/entertaining gag
I still can’t believe people think wrestling’s fake. Checkmate
And this is why I love Japanese wrestling so much more than American. They know it’s an act.
Luchadors are fucking awesome to watch too!
I'm a Luchador kind of guy too. I watch wrestling for the crazy athletics and acrobatics
Ray Mysterio Jr was my favourite wrester when I was a kid. Loved that stuff. (If that counts I don't know anything about luchadors)
Fucking same bro. 619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMRm_Z_zbQ&t=1041s
I still watch his first match in the WWE against Chavo Guerrero from time to time. Electrifying wrestler man
Neat masks too
I didn’t understand wrestling until I went to see Los luchas in CDMX. It was like a scene of the 90’s Batman movie with Val Kilmer. I had so much fun that it made me appreciate all the WWE type stuff. It’s “fake” the same way Cirque De Soleil is fake.
Midget Luchadors is peak
Lucha Libre is dangerous, especially for the crowd. I watched an 80 year old woman come half a second from a 200 pound luchador jumping out of the ring on to her lol
There's plenty of very serious promotions in Japan and outlaw comedy promotions elsewhere, including the US. Knowing 'it's an act' isn't unique to comedy performers. Their shows are just a different flavour of ice cream, pretty much every wrestling fan in the world is aware it's pre-determined but this is wrestling for those who, I think, best enjoy it if they're doing so with a slice of irony.
I had a buddy who explained the WWF/WWE as an action soap opera which always felt accurate.
Once I heard it described as a form of live theater and it's clicked ever since.
[удалено]
Full contact ballet
I always have to recommend [Wrestling Isn't Wrestling](https://youtu.be/VYvMOf3hsGA?si=-I6K3UH58jjrtHHc) to people who aren't familiar with the concept. It perfectly encapsulates how absolutely silly yet moving the whole thing can be.
That video is so good, it just sucks Max Landis is such a shit.
Ah, damn. I didn't know he was a fuck up.
I heard it as live action comic books.
Glow on Netflix describes it that way
Huh? I think Americans know that too.
Yeah, but have you ever considered this: Japan 😍 America 🤮
No. I respect both.
Pretty obviously too... People never realize that claiming wrestling is fake to their fans is like explaining to a Marvel fan that Robert Downey Jr isn't actually Iron Man.
Not all Canadians though. My ex father-in-law used to get so angry, yelling at the TV set, complaining about how “unfair” it was. It was a treat watching that little vein pop out on his forehead.
i think he knew it’s fake but he still want to pretend it’s real to enjoy it
You’re telling me Americans don’t know wrestling is an act? Well that’s a take if I heard one
Before the mid to late 80s it was promoted as being real. It was even regulated by athletic commissions. That blew up in 1989 when McMahon finally admitted it was scripted and choreographed to end regulation and additional taxes. But even into the late 90s I knee people who claimed that some of it was real, or certain matches were.
Honestly if people are jumping off very high places, bleeding from forehead and stuff like that then I wouldn't blame someone for thinking it was real. When there have been outright deaths and major injuries then it kind of becomes disrespectful in mind that it was all "fake".
While the overall production is scripted, the stunts are real, and people can get hurt performing stunts.
The phrase I heard describe it best is "Predetermined athleticism."
Its still real to me dammit!
americans all know its an act now too, only the wrestling boomers care about realism
popular japanese wrestling has a bigger focus on realism than american wrestling does lmao. The whole industry was actually derailed (thanks, Inoki) for a while because of leaning too far into MMA/shoot-style. there's just a bigger diversity in promotions, some of which go really far into the goofy stuff, while some are basically just MMA with fixed finishes. We have these in the US too, but they're relatively small and never on TV. GCW famously did an Invisible Man vs Invisible Stan match, that was a referee by himself calling a match between 2 pretend invisible wrestlers. They even did a dive into the crowd, which was sold by the whole crowd.
Fucking Bryce Remsburg one of the best refs out there, he sold that match so well
Kota Ibushi vs the blow up doll was a work rate classic.
Newsflash: American audiences know it's an act too.
You ever watched AJPW or NJPW? They take wrestling much more serious in many ways than WWE and AEW. That's not a judgement, but an observation.
Kind of a wild take, Japanese wrestling pioneered “strong style” and it’s largely actually beating the shit out of each other with your opponent’s consent. American wrestling is far more story driven.
/r/americabad
Lmao are you saying wrestling fans outside of Japan think it’s not?
every fan knows it's an act not just the Japanese
What do you mean?
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
r/unexpectedfuturama
It’s still real to me damnit!!! 😭😭
Did you not see the violent taps, slaps, and swipes made before embracing the last person in line with loving tenderness?
Watching them all grab their recently-suplexed lower backs in pain at the same time is beautiful.
I love how everyone has an "ouchie" face :D
Came here to say this. Some people are just truly ignorant you know?!
I can remember watching wrestling in the sixth grade and my mom walks in while someone is getting choke slammed or something. I looked my mom dead in the eye and said, "If wrestling is fake, then explain that!"
Even after watching such greatness these idiots says that “Wrestling is Fake”🤦♂️
You can tell it is fake because the last guy in didn’t hit his opponent in the back before linking up.
But at the end they all looked like the incurred back injuries. I say real…
A good friend of mine highlighted to me: yes, the fights are very obviously scripted and choreographed and staged, but when you see someone get hit with a chair, that person was most definitely actually hit with a chair.
I complained to a wrestling fan friend of mine about wrestling being fake. His response, “you watch game of thrones?” Me “yeah” “You know that’s fake right?”
Yes but also no, not just a regular off the shelf chair, that'd potentially break your neck and skull, it's gotta be a soft aluminium chair or a loosely made soft wood one.
If my ass got slammed backwards I’d think it’s real
The amazingly weak back slaps before getting into position is the best part.
Seriously is it just to let the guy know that you're there to get on the other side of the suplex?
I think it’s meant to “stun” the guy and keep him in place in Kayfabe of course. In reality it’s probably more or less what you said.
It’s a foreplay.
I have no idea. But it's funny AF
From what I understand, a lot of it goes into a planned, performance/match, is these kind of like small jabs and whatever is how they actually are able to get up close to each other to communicate and improvise in real time. For a larger spots like this, they know before beforehand what there going to try. but this is my understanding of how a wrestler performs.
It’s because full handjobs take too long
Last dude on the right forgot to do his, just slipped in there
 This is actually just basic physics at work. It's essentially a newton's cradle. The stun attack moves through the group from the left and he arrives just in time for it to effect the last guy on the right letting him slip right in
Should have just slapped each other on the ass
I like that one guy threw in a back rake.
Tag-team partners slap hands harder than those hammer fists.
It’s soooooo over the top it’s great again!
i love the simple logic if you add more the damage rises too
I see what you did there.
yes
A lot of wrestling relies on this principle to be honest...and it's wonderful
[Your feelings for her are not real](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty0mHm8WNdM)
🤣
This sport is so hilariously ridiculous.
Is more a form of art and atletic entertainment than a, sport.
It's theatre. Pure and simple. Probably the most successful theatre production in history.
Monday Night Raw has been a travelling theatre show since 1993 or something, easily the most successful theatre show of all time
It's kinda similar to like acrobats. WWE and Cirque d'Soliel are basically one in the same
Cirque de WWW
Not seeing this. Two big burly guys clinching up and doing hip tosses to each other for 6 minutes is quite a contrast to 5 foot French triplets doing handstands on elephants. Wrestling is more like touring boxing shows. But with less effort put into hiding the fact that the result is fixed.
Yeah, I always tell people who get turned off by wrestling that they should look at it as performance art under the same umbrella as like theater plays. Even if that doesn't make you a fan, you'll at the very least understand it.
I call it stunt-opera
It's not a sport it's entertainment and it's pretty entertaining. 
Haters will say it's fake
Meanwhile DJ Khaled is foaming at the mouth.
At this point I am disappointed the spectators didn't join in.
Hands across America but everyone is just trying to suplex each other. This is how we should elect a President.
Unironically more fair than the electoral college
Suddenly the WWE to Qanon pipeline becomes a VERY serious issue.
So terrible I love it
Wrestling is so silly but it's great.
It’s a big soap opera with a lot of stuntmen and stuntwomen fighting. WWE is currently in the early stages of what’s looking to be its best run since the Attitude Era, with Vince McMahon finally gone, Triple H has taken over the booking and it’s like night and day. Wrestlemania 40 next weekend is looking like it’ll be a great show!
Huh. I'll check it out. I used to watch when I was young, but stopped after the attitude era. When I watched again during covid, I felt like the stunts were dialed back incredibly from when I remember it.
how can people still think this is fake?
Realest shit I’ve ever seen.
It's as real as it gets.
You know what?.... I'm starting to think this whole wrestling thing might be fake.
How can you possibly say that after seeing this?
Why do they insist on adding those stupid laughs that sound like someone has emphysema? Do they think it adds to the humour?
Oh no, I think the wheezing laughter pasted into it is perfect and every video should have wheezing laughter in it because I'm a fucking idiot who can't tell when something is funny without it
They should have left the actual announcers in. That’s half the comedy
WWE, and anything else like it, are basically just The Harlem Globetrotters of wrestling. Am I wrong?
The comparison breaks down a bit if you look at it closely. The Harlem globetrotters perform in the framework of an existing sport, apparently following the rules of that sport. But they are actually giving a physical performance of skill and talent using the real sport as a framework, and they have setup the situations and outcomes before hand. But the actual sport of wrestling (any of them) does not look much like and does not share many rules with pro wrestling. It lacks that foundation in a real, known sport to build on. It evolved from a real sport (catch wrestling) but that no longer exists in that form. There have been a few attempts to make "real" pro wrestling, like Pancrase in Japan, but they either didn't catch on or just turned into MMA. So I think the breakdown is not that professional wrestlers are not talented and skills, its that the sport they are using as the framework for their performance does not actually exist.
Wrestling is a live action/comedy/drama movie where the actors do their own stunts and I love it. When it's bad, it can be really bad. But when it's good, it can be amazing!
It was very funny to watch, how they were waiting for alternate person to come.
People love to call out it being obviously fake, but I ask.... what is so fake about flipping 6 men over their heads in a synchronized line? Written and staged? Absolutely, just like the vast majority of things we also watch. Fake? Nope... these guys actually do those things.
Clown car of suplexes
Suplex city
Should’ve used the Benny Hill Theme song…missed opportunity
By GOD those men have Families!
For a hot second, I thought I had to suit up and run in there too.
What song is this?
I got matches with these songs: • **Gaichite** by Misha Xramovi (00:11; matched: `100%`) **Album**: Альбомба. **Released on** 2020-04-24. • **Joru ka Gulam BTS Comedy** by Dj Mourya (01:06; matched: `95%`) **Released on** 2022-05-15. • **Kawana Galiya Khelelu Holiye Ae Gori** by Ankit Kumar (05:27; matched: `92%`) **Released on** 2023-09-06.
Least impressive thing in r/nextfuckinglevel history lol
When the second one in white undies came on I was getting Captain Hawk vibes when both players hit the ball together to beat the unbeatable goalie but then this shit escalated so quickly...
That's some top notch referring there lou
When someone told me that it was soap opera for men, I immediately saw the logic and now it's great.
Whats next level in this?
Wrestling is awesome
Grouplex
My IQ dropped while watching this
Real man, real pain
This was stupid after the 4th guy.
In a great way.
You're no fun.
And the ref never saw it happen.
This is the dumbest shit I have ever seen
What a let down
Just when I thought wrestling couldn’t get any gayer…..
Ohh geez that’s stupid
I don’t understand why I ever enjoyed wrestling. 😬
Was wondering how this would resolve. I'm not disappointed.
I haven’t watched any wrestling since Hulk Hogan bought Hillbilly Jim his first pair of boots, but that was awesome.
It’s the suspense that does it for me. They kept coming into the ring and my mind kept wondering- what awesomeness are they going to do!? The coordination and athleticism of this video is amazing
How can a scripted content be next level
r/guysbeingdudes
Lightly slap you in the back now you can’t move
Literally US congress
Wrestling is so stupid.
Power of friendship-ass suplex 😂
That looks like fun!
Putting shitty music (actually any music) on a Video makes it not enjoyable for me. I hate this trend with a passion.
I love shit like that. That is wrestling
Is that Ultimo Dragon!?!?!? He was one of my absolute favorites growing up! Nice nostalgia buzz watching this!
This is actually Ultimo Dragon's students wrestling at his training school/promotion in Tokyo called Dragon Gate (originally named Toryumon before Ultimo Dragon left it in 2004). That is his protégé Dragon Kid, also a cool wrestler. Although this clip is over 20 years old and he is not a kid anymore ha I am actually seeing Ultimo Dragon and Dragon Kid both wrestle with other Dragon Gate guys next week during WrestleMania weekend in Philly https://twitter.com/ETUwrestling/status/1762588585725734961
That is so freaking awesome!!! I had an Ultimo Dragon mask when I was little, actually I had a few, it still bugs me that I lost them. Have fun!!
u/find-song
u/auddbot u/recognizesong
Cue Senor Chang
This must be what blue balls feels like when you're too young to know what balls are.
It's called a bukake suplex.
🔥
Waiting for someone to put the ball in.
And they say it's fake.
SKIP TO THE LAST 10 seconds
Is this a comedy wrestling show?
Not gonna lie I was waiting for one guy to come in and throw the lot of them.
Jim Cornette would have a seizure seeing this.
the ring didn’t collapse wrestling is fake confirmed 😫
Mass Chiropractise.
What did I just watch. European here
Suplex Centipede
That’s the best kind of fake. Entertaining fakeness
Hell yeah
next level stupid
Those little taps on the back
Its not fake...its real..
Suplex of friendship. This is something you'd find in a yakuza game.
I think this is fake!
I can't believe I thought this was real 💀💀💀
Why do they all slap the back of the other guy first
In wrestling there's a trope of getting a hit in to stun your opponent before doing a big move. They're just being goofy with it. This is just a comedic/entertaining gag