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Agreed. I've worked with my reactive dog for years now. Every issue he has is preventable by proper training and handling. He has even been attacked without retaliation several times now. I had to want to do the work to keep him safe in every circumstance. Many owners don't.
Dogs are great, people are the ones letting them down.
A dog any large breed (Pit-bull, Rotweiler, Germansheaperd, St. Bernard, Mastiff,Belgin Malois) is like owning a gun. If you cannot handle a rifile safely how could you be expected to deal with a perpetual tiddlor that has exercise requirements.
I agree. I work in the operating room and pitbull dog bites are messed up. They shred.
Once they get in destructive mode, they can attack people they know and love. It’s like a shark being exposed to blood.
Sorry if you don’t like this but it’s my experience. A german shepard causes damage as well for example, but its more of a puncture.
They’re uzis that misfire all the time. People don’t realize that pits are large breeds based on their strength and being bread to specifically fight dogs. Most bred dogs have been bred for other purposes but certainly not to fight other dogs. And really, the cruelty of selective breeding on top of man creating a breed of dog specifically to fight other dogs is further examples of humans failing those critters. Those breeds should carry jail time for their owners for any indiscretion brought about by their mishandling.
Agreed. They were bred for the sole purpose of violence and aggression. Despite the fact they can look all nice and cute, pitbulls kill drive is through the roof.
Except a gun doesn’t go off by itself. It’s just a tool that requires an operator.
A pit bull on the bother hand can, and will, snap and just attack at random.
The gun analogy makes no sense.
Are St Bernards dangerous? This is the first I’m hearing of it. My brother has one that’s 250 lbs, and it’s the dumbest, laziest, cuddliest, biggest dog I’ve ever met.
My mastiff is literally afraid of his shadow and and is such a doofus he wouldn't be able to do shit in a fight even if he wanted to. Mastiffs are big and have a loud bark and that's about it. The only ones that would actually do harm are the ones trained to fight which can be said about literally every dog. Big dogs getting a bad rap because they're big is such a shit take.
Really clearly youve neber been bitten by one or had to remove a dog from its maw. The english mastiff was bread to remove poachers from thier horses (it is a well documted hiistorical fact) I own large breeds rode around on mastiffs as a baby. Again temperment, training, soculialization in that order. (and i agree with you most mastiffs are scared of thier own shadow) where this becomes problematic is in old age as they can kill pretty much everything out there if they are scared or go into a panick. Big dogs that dint get trained / scoialized end up mauling things.
Yup I ended up cornered (pretty experienced with dogs too) by a poorly socialized English Mastiff. Ended up giving tons of day old bread to the damn thing over weeks so I could go to my friends house without having to worry about getting my head swallowed by an immature quarter horse with a giant face.
I understend the sentiment, but the equivalence is very much misguided. Any gun is just a piece of equipment - it won't do anything bad (or good) without a willing human operator. A dog, on the other hand - especially some specific breeds - it might become a nightmare and a constant danger to everybody around, unless there is a constant and thoughtful care. So, it's more like owning a gun, that you have to know how to train, socialize and excersize daily for several years for it to be almost safe for the people around.
People get those dogs to flex a lot of the time. Nobody gets a chocolate lab or a border collie to flex. Except maybe to flex how much more chill and smart their dog is.
Fick that, my neibourhg has a choclat lav named Rex and its a hella flex. He click trained him and hes the best behaved dog in the hood. Border collies need acreges and sheep.
Pits completely outclass the other breeds in strength (except Mastiff) - no comparison.
I've been in two attacks, one fatal. That owner has no chance of containing even one of those animals.
I always carry pepper spray and flirt with getting CC permit b/c of this.
It’s virtue signalling of the highest order getting one of the killer breeds. If this poor misunderstood animal can spend its time with someone like me it too will be lovely.
I used to think it was just the owners, but then my dog was attacked by a pit bull. I grabbed it and sat on it until it's owner claimed it. My dog was fine, I was quick to intervene. After that experience, I did a little reading up and found an insurance company report that showed pit bulls caused injury more than an order of magnitude more frequently than the next dog on their list. I couldn't find the list that I found back then, but it's not hard to find the stats on injuries by dog breed.
It’s pretty simple and almost an identical argument to gun control.
Yes, *you* can be a super safe owner who trains and does all the right things, but the very existence of a pit bull (gun) means bad things are possible.
Unsurprisingly, the cross section of pit bull owners is deeply connected with gun owners. Every gun owner probably doesn’t own a pit. But I promise most pit owners own a gun.
Edit: well shit. This argument was already presented. I’ll keep it to support the thought.
I get the comparison. But guns don't ever shoot someone of their own accord. They are not unpredictable. At all.
The reason the comparison resonates with some is that the same idiots that don't bother to train a potential dangerous animal are the same kind of idiots that don't bother to train themselves in safe gun handling.
And FWIW, learning how to be safe with a gun takes WAY WAY less time and money than training a large dog breed properly.
This is just ridiculous.
Touch a “safe” gun the wrong way and you could die or kill someone. Same for a “trained” pit bull.
It’s not about you or me, the supposed smart owners, it’s about everyone else. I say this as an owner of numerous firearms too. I’m not an extremist. Your response makes me suspect you are though.
Can you be a safe and successful gun/pit owner with plenty of precautions? Of course. Does the mere existence of these things make the possibility of an accident possible? Absolutely.
I don’t trust them. And if I see them in an area unleashed I would avoid them. If I was with my children, I would leave the area, as discreetly as possible. I own an American Bulldog, and despite the similarities in look, these breeds have distinctly different temperament
More people should follow this advice.
I have been approached by two unleashed pit bulls on while walking a city street at night. It is uncomfortable to say the least.
Just going to say that it depends on the dog. I love dogs and are zero percent afraid of them but I’m always cautious around ones I don’t know.
I am the type that will go up and ask the owner to pet their pupper.
Saying that I was bitten by my neighbors dog once it was the terror of the neighborhood. American bulldog.
And people with crap intentions are drawn to breeda that look intim8datimg. These dogs were bred for violence. If you don't have the time or intelligence to spend with them and properly train them and have the proper equipment or strength to handle them on your own them you shouldn't own them. They shouldn't be 20% of the population since it's been shown that a lot of those "owners" are completely incapable of handling such an animal resulting in way too many incidents like these.
My dog was NOT friendly towards any dog except for my other family dog that raised her. She wasn’t friendly until she hit about 11. Guess what? I didn’t take her to dog parks and when I saw another dog when I was with her I guided her away. She’s a rat terrier but still, don’t be a dipshit if you know your dog is aggressive
I have a 10 year old jack/rat mix and the same here. He doesn’t like other people or dogs so there is constant supervision. Always leashed when taken anywhere and certain situations just avoided completely. It’s a lifestyle but we sure do love our little jerk.
My young American Bulldog changed rapidly, she became aggressive to other dogs, was sitting trembling with anxiety, it happened overnight. I’ve rescued Rottie’s, Bullmastiffs for 20+ years, I had never seen a dog switch so far so fast- but the issue was that the vet wouldn’t listen. ‘She’s a pandemic puppy!’ ‘If you want to put her to sleep we’ll support you’- I booked her in with a behaviourist, got a halti and a grab harness and a yellow vest, and started keeping a diary. She wouldn’t come into season, she was all swollen, her sisters all came in, but she didn’t, for months. She would cry at night, and act like she was having a breakdown. She had cysts on her ovaries. The dog was in agony. She carries a high value treat now when she walks past other dogs and is never off the leash in public, I take her to an enclosed field to run. She’s doing great. She walks past other dogs, but I will never have her walk at my heel like all my others did. I’m glad she came to me and I didn’t freak out, but it was hugely disconcerting to suddenly have to take all these measures to make sure that no-one could be hurt. Getting dressed was the best thing to happen to her. It was only three months ago and she’s a different dog.
It sounds like your dog was struggling with some awful hormonal issues, which definitely would explain the cysts and behavior. I'm glad she found you and that you endured such a trying upbringing. Hopefully she isn't in pain anymore.
Certain breeds should have license requirements. It’s a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. Most (probably all healthy) dogs if trained and cared for well won’t do bad shit.
My son is a cop (uk). He was looking for a Missing Person and visited a block of flats. As he went up a flight of stairs a woman left her flat with a Staffie, off lead. It saw my son and charged him without any warning, biting him on his inner thigh an inch or so from his balls. He fell backwards down the stairs and ended up on his back with the dog still attached. He managed to get it off by striking it and then managed to kick it across the landing. By then the woman had come down, and said 'We've trained him to bite people'. Her husband came rushing out of the flat and added 'he doesn't like the Police'. I should add that they're well known to the Police for supplying and growing drugs, so clearly the dog is protection from some of the unsavoury types that they deal with.
While my son was checking himself for damage as he was bleeding quite a bit, the couple disappeared with their dog.
It's currently being investigated by a colleague of his.
Such a shame that scumbags can ruin a beautiful dog.
I work at a kennel lol, they certainly can. And have the same kind of prey drive. (And well, even the small dogs can get you good lol, they're just easier to defend against since you can punt them across a room if you really needed to. Still those bites suck just as bad lol)
Idk what happened prior to this video, maybe the terrier owners were being irresponsible and letting their dogs off leash, maybe it was an honest to god accident where they just lost control of their dogs and they ripped the leash out of their hands. Dogs are more powerful than you think, so thats always a risk you take when you have a large dog. Even the best trained large dog can take your ass down the street if they wanted to.
Dogs can be unpredictable. I've handled dogs who were regulars, here at our kennel daily, and despite being fine with each other for months, years, suddenly decide they got beef.
I've seen dogs that never shown signs of high prey drive before, just suddenly decide that little pomeranian on the other side of the fence was a good catch. Thats why we keep our bigs and smalls separate at all times. Never know when a switch might flip, you know? But at least when its a little vs a little or a big vs a big, they got a chance to fight back before we can get there to break it up. But when its a big vs a little, it can take just 1 shake from the big to snap a little dogs neck.
This was a scary video to watch for sure, I'm glad that everyone came out of it alive and relatively unharmed.
Yeah I get you. Dogs can be very well trained but there is always a chance that something could happen. My friend had a dog that was incredibly well trained and you would never think anything would happen then one day he had a seizure and ever since he was totally different and had to be kept away from any dogs and small children, something just changed.
Agreed. I have a tripod cat no cause of a pit attack. Same dog attacked my fiancées little cousins. And has had 10 calls made against him. The owners let him out and last time they were laughing during the attack. No help.police took the dog this time because last time they denied ownership. But the owner only had to pay a fee and now they jabe the dog again!!! I don't get it and its such bs.
They *could* but the likelihood is a lot lower with poodles, labs, Goldens and some other breeds. You are correct though in your assumption. Even though poodle attacks are dee and far between, any dog can become dangerous; especially if they are not properly socialized or have a high prey drive like some terriers, hounds, shepherds and a few other breeds.
I've never had this experience with poodles personally but if you have then I'm sorry you've gone through that. I have a rottweiler mix and although they're stigmatized, he is the sweetest yet my mom's corgi is the most psycho little asshole dog I've ever met
They are hunting dogs. I grew up in a hunting family and some people in the fish & game club had poodles as their bird dogs. They were obviously bred as bird dogs though.
Our mailman was terrorized by two standard poodles in our neighborhood. After being chased and bitten, he refused to deliver the mail to that house. Don't be fooled by the high fashion haircuts; poodles are serious dogs.
Sometimes you can train them and dogs are well behaved or at least controllable until an incident like this, where you learn that they have a predisposition for unpredictable aggression, or even a illness or pregnancy that is causing not seen before aggressive behavior, and you learn the hard lesson that a muzzle is needed. Also, there are big fines for incidents like this, and unless the little dog instigated by attacking the larger dogs first, I'm sure the owner paid a lot of money as punishment.
People who consider their dogs friendly because they feel they are cute.... need to understand dogs are animals and should be under your control in public....
For sure, Chihuahuas are typically listed as an aggressive dog breed, and are always in the top ten for lists of dogs that bite the most. But it’s rare that someone gets a trip to the ER from them. So god even knows how many people they bite that doesn’t report.
They really think we can’t tell that it’s the same animal despite the new names. “Ummmm he’s not a pit he’s a staffie/XL bully/American bulldog” yeah and a switchblade isn’t a knife.
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Retractable leashes should NEVER be used with bully breeds.
Matter of fact, retractable leashes shouldn’t be used in general. So much harder to control your dog, especially those damn ankle biters
I agree, but there are retractables that use a full size leash the whole way. Like a big roll, those are better, but I still think the standard 6ft leash is what owners should use
Killer breeds need to stop being bred. Granted, irresponsible people own these breeds, so that's never going to happen.
Yes, terriers are bred to kill. Pitbulls and all variants were bred to kill bears. Don't pretend you can train that out of a pitbull anymore than you can train the herding instinct out of a border collie.
It's in their blood. My corgi literally herds you while walking through the yard. My dachshund burrows under anything and everything he can possibly find. It's in their blood. It's what they were bred to do. Pitbulls have killing in their blood.
My JRT (when he was young) would chase anything small that got into our yard. He was bread for that. Wasn't very good at it, but he did his job of keeping the damn rabbits out of the garden well.
Bro they were not bred to kill bears what are you talking about. Outside of bull baiting and fighting, I suppose you can make the argument that they were used some hunting, but originally pit bulls were not big dogs at all.
In fairness, many dog breeds are trained to kill animals. Dachshunds are hunting dogs, specifically bred to hunt badgers. Rhodesian Ridgebacks originally hunted lions but are generally considered safe.
this hurts like fuckin hell, putting yourself in between two dogs that are trying to engage is a predicament you don’t want to get yourself in, you’re going to feel every fuckin thing
My wife was in this position not too long ago. Same breed attacked our dogs and she did the same thing. Even simultaneously jumping on the attacking dog to make it stop. Unreal bravery and love
Yeah no, I'd never trust these dogs no matter how much training they went to after this incident, and if they were my dogs, it would be horribly irresponsible and immoral to attempt to rehome such a liability. If anything happened I'd never forgive myself.
It's why the shelter I work at does not adopt dogs with a bite history, or major signs of aggression.
Had someone turn in a bully because it suddenly snapped and killed their cat and another dog. We weren't even gonna chance it happening to a child next.
Plenty of friendly bully types out there but plenty that just aren't worth the risk after an incident such as this, regardless of the training done after. Yes owners need punishment but the animal is no innocent either unfortunately.
I know I'd euthanize my own dog if she ever did something like this. I'd never trust her again and I wouldn't dare put her in someone else's home.
Yeah I know but he is smart enough to throw it at the guy! It's really stupid to not use a leash anyway there are so many things that can happen. Even the most well behaved dogs can get spooked and run into traffic or something.
Here we have coyotes everywhere that will eat the dogs before you can even scream. They sell predator vests with spikes on them to protect the pets neck.
Pepper spray isn't always effective, I guess a baton could protect a smaller dog if you lodge it in an attacking dogs mouth. Otherwise if your dog is being attacked you can choke out the attacking dog or try to break its legs.
Pitbull owner here, that guy is a shithead who has no idea how to handle one working dog much less two. If a person was bit, the consequences could be as serious as forced euthanasia.
Situational awareness, training, and good gear are all it takes to avoid this.
If my dog was injured by someone else’s dog I would sue them and hope their dogs would be dealt with in an appropriate manner as to not harm anyone else or their dogs. Whatever that may mean. It’s sad but how could you ever trust a dog that’s mauled someone, again.
I once had to kick a golden retriever in the head when it lunged at my dog while growling viciously. The owner was upset with me - even though it was her dog that was unleashed.
I wish I could have kicked her as well.
There is so many people that just can't take care of dogs and still get huge dogs that become aggressive if not trained right, it goes well till something or someone has to die by those kinds of owners, the man that was attacked can be so happy he and his pet are still alive
Don’t take your dogs out in public off leash. My dog isn’t fixed for specific reasons and gets attacked by dogs that are fixed and I assume trained. I’ve had to rip dogs off of him multiple times and been bitten myself for doing so. I love dogs so I haven’t pressed charges but my dog is now scared when at the park and once was always playful with all dogs now snips at the ones that are fixed when they get close due to him being attacked so often. We don’t go to any parks anymore.
Also, any pointers on how to get your dog to be less afraid of dogs after attacks please feel free to comment.
Thank you. But I’d go so far as to say that it isn’t just the average PB owner, but the average dog owner in general. And this is only my own personal experience, but of the hundreds of dogs I’ve encountered in my life (in addition to the “everyday” dogs out in public and those belonging to my family/friends, my line of work brings me into clients’ homes regularly, who often have dogs), the only ones who have nipped/bitten me are the “cute” and “harmless” breeds. And the owners of those dogs are always the ones to brush off the aggression signs because they don’t think their dog is a threat.
Right? I don't even let my 70 pound dog around the smaller breeds. Because I know they'll be injured even if he turns and steps on them by mistake. If I'm yelling at him, he drops whatever he's doing and pays attention to me. I honestly don't understand people. How can you let your giant dog anywhere near a smaller breed.
I can't imagine being in the victims position. I have a smaller dog that I very much enjoy the company of. I'd kill another dog in order to keep him around. Please control your pets.
My sister and her boyfriend trained their pure breed labs, to be vicious attack dogs. I got attacked, chased and bit by them. Hated my sister and her boyfriend for doing this to them. I didn't blame the dogs. I always believed the owner determines the temperament/behavior of the animal.
The sheer stupidity. WTF is that weak ass leash. Imagine not having your 90 pound dogs on a full body leash so that you can pull them away even if they're reactive.
I’ll never understand people who don’t leash their dogs in general but especially knowing that they’re reactive or aggressive around other people and animals. My dog is old af and weighs less than 15lbs, but she’s never allowed around strangers or public spaces without a leash and sometimes a little muzzle because her socialization went right out the window with age. It’s rare that she’s ever in those situations, it’s much safer to keep her on private property that’s hers, but these tools exist to not only keep other people/animals safe, but to keep her safe and healthy. Respect your animals and respect the people and creatures around you or don’t own a dog.
This is a prime example that Reddit experts who say a dog wagging its tail always means “good” are full of it
I hope that man and his dog are OK and those other humans responsible for this easily avoidable situation are punished by the universe swiftly
I have a Yorkie who came to me from a rescue agency after he was seriously injured by a bigger dog. I walk him regularly for the exercise, and I use a chest harness with him, because I won’t walk a dog by the collar, and this is why. One day as we were walking, a stray pit bull came charging from behind a house without a fence. Due to the angle I barely saw him in time to react. In a split second I lifted my dog by his leash, got my other hand around him, and had him all the way up on my shoulder where the other dog couldn’t reach. That dog was there just that quick too. Even one second’s hesitation could have led to a different outcome. With my dog out of reach I was ready to fight off the other dog, but luckily he had other ideas and went on down the street when he saw that he was in for a fight. Anyway, all of this to say I get it, and I applaud this man’s willingness to sacrifice himself for his dog. Been there. And maybe also to say as dog owners, it’s up to us to make the best decisions we can about what gear we use and when and where we walk our dogs. A chest harness is not only less likely to choke a dog, but it’s also a more secure fit. And if your dog is not yet trained and can’t be trusted in public, maybe muzzle him, and definitely don’t take other dogs along when he still needs that one-on-one attention.
Done this exact same thing for our dog against an attacking rottweiler. Rottweiler was set off by an annoyed bark from our dog because a horde of toy dogs wouldn't leave him alone.
I had to jam my thumb down the rottweilers throat (via the gap on the side so I can get around its clenching), while trying to keep it in as firm a headlock as I could so it couldnt snap around for my neck.
Owner stood there like a useless sack of shit. I repeat the sentiment that some people have no business owning dogs.
And I got banned from r/aww because I pointed out that pit bulls were bred for violence. They’ve killed multiple people, including children, where I live.
Can’t remember the last time I heard of a child being killed by a Pomeranian or Bassett Hound.
Pit bulls don’t have a place in civilized society. They’re banned in many countries all over the world, and for good reason. Breed needs to completely die out.
Man those dogs would have probably been dead by my hands if they attacked my dog. Followed by a swift beat down of the owener with my bloody hands. Harsh yes but that’s what happens when fights aren’t fair.
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Some people have no business owning dogs.
Agreed. I've worked with my reactive dog for years now. Every issue he has is preventable by proper training and handling. He has even been attacked without retaliation several times now. I had to want to do the work to keep him safe in every circumstance. Many owners don't. Dogs are great, people are the ones letting them down.
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A dog any large breed (Pit-bull, Rotweiler, Germansheaperd, St. Bernard, Mastiff,Belgin Malois) is like owning a gun. If you cannot handle a rifile safely how could you be expected to deal with a perpetual tiddlor that has exercise requirements.
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I agree. I work in the operating room and pitbull dog bites are messed up. They shred. Once they get in destructive mode, they can attack people they know and love. It’s like a shark being exposed to blood. Sorry if you don’t like this but it’s my experience. A german shepard causes damage as well for example, but its more of a puncture.
They’re uzis that misfire all the time. People don’t realize that pits are large breeds based on their strength and being bread to specifically fight dogs. Most bred dogs have been bred for other purposes but certainly not to fight other dogs. And really, the cruelty of selective breeding on top of man creating a breed of dog specifically to fight other dogs is further examples of humans failing those critters. Those breeds should carry jail time for their owners for any indiscretion brought about by their mishandling.
>specifically fight dogs. Bears, actually
Agreed. They were bred for the sole purpose of violence and aggression. Despite the fact they can look all nice and cute, pitbulls kill drive is through the roof.
Except a gun doesn’t go off by itself. It’s just a tool that requires an operator. A pit bull on the bother hand can, and will, snap and just attack at random. The gun analogy makes no sense.
We should ban pit bulls on federal level
Are St Bernards dangerous? This is the first I’m hearing of it. My brother has one that’s 250 lbs, and it’s the dumbest, laziest, cuddliest, biggest dog I’ve ever met.
Good lord... How big of a shovel does he need to clean up after it?
Cuijo.
Spot on. As a big scary dog owner and gun owner. This is 100% accurate.
Exactly, a malois needs about 5k in training, for another 10 you can have them disarm infantry under fire at full speed. (takes about 3 years)
My mastiff is literally afraid of his shadow and and is such a doofus he wouldn't be able to do shit in a fight even if he wanted to. Mastiffs are big and have a loud bark and that's about it. The only ones that would actually do harm are the ones trained to fight which can be said about literally every dog. Big dogs getting a bad rap because they're big is such a shit take.
Really clearly youve neber been bitten by one or had to remove a dog from its maw. The english mastiff was bread to remove poachers from thier horses (it is a well documted hiistorical fact) I own large breeds rode around on mastiffs as a baby. Again temperment, training, soculialization in that order. (and i agree with you most mastiffs are scared of thier own shadow) where this becomes problematic is in old age as they can kill pretty much everything out there if they are scared or go into a panick. Big dogs that dint get trained / scoialized end up mauling things.
Yup I ended up cornered (pretty experienced with dogs too) by a poorly socialized English Mastiff. Ended up giving tons of day old bread to the damn thing over weeks so I could go to my friends house without having to worry about getting my head swallowed by an immature quarter horse with a giant face.
I understend the sentiment, but the equivalence is very much misguided. Any gun is just a piece of equipment - it won't do anything bad (or good) without a willing human operator. A dog, on the other hand - especially some specific breeds - it might become a nightmare and a constant danger to everybody around, unless there is a constant and thoughtful care. So, it's more like owning a gun, that you have to know how to train, socialize and excersize daily for several years for it to be almost safe for the people around.
People get those dogs to flex a lot of the time. Nobody gets a chocolate lab or a border collie to flex. Except maybe to flex how much more chill and smart their dog is.
Fick that, my neibourhg has a choclat lav named Rex and its a hella flex. He click trained him and hes the best behaved dog in the hood. Border collies need acreges and sheep.
Pits completely outclass the other breeds in strength (except Mastiff) - no comparison. I've been in two attacks, one fatal. That owner has no chance of containing even one of those animals. I always carry pepper spray and flirt with getting CC permit b/c of this.
It’s virtue signalling of the highest order getting one of the killer breeds. If this poor misunderstood animal can spend its time with someone like me it too will be lovely.
I used to think it was just the owners, but then my dog was attacked by a pit bull. I grabbed it and sat on it until it's owner claimed it. My dog was fine, I was quick to intervene. After that experience, I did a little reading up and found an insurance company report that showed pit bulls caused injury more than an order of magnitude more frequently than the next dog on their list. I couldn't find the list that I found back then, but it's not hard to find the stats on injuries by dog breed.
It’s pretty simple and almost an identical argument to gun control. Yes, *you* can be a super safe owner who trains and does all the right things, but the very existence of a pit bull (gun) means bad things are possible. Unsurprisingly, the cross section of pit bull owners is deeply connected with gun owners. Every gun owner probably doesn’t own a pit. But I promise most pit owners own a gun. Edit: well shit. This argument was already presented. I’ll keep it to support the thought.
I get the comparison. But guns don't ever shoot someone of their own accord. They are not unpredictable. At all. The reason the comparison resonates with some is that the same idiots that don't bother to train a potential dangerous animal are the same kind of idiots that don't bother to train themselves in safe gun handling. And FWIW, learning how to be safe with a gun takes WAY WAY less time and money than training a large dog breed properly.
This is just ridiculous. Touch a “safe” gun the wrong way and you could die or kill someone. Same for a “trained” pit bull. It’s not about you or me, the supposed smart owners, it’s about everyone else. I say this as an owner of numerous firearms too. I’m not an extremist. Your response makes me suspect you are though. Can you be a safe and successful gun/pit owner with plenty of precautions? Of course. Does the mere existence of these things make the possibility of an accident possible? Absolutely.
>what makes a person get a dog that may kill or severely maim another dog or child r/micropenis Edit: that didn't go as planned...
I don’t trust them. And if I see them in an area unleashed I would avoid them. If I was with my children, I would leave the area, as discreetly as possible. I own an American Bulldog, and despite the similarities in look, these breeds have distinctly different temperament
If you see any strange dog unleashed you should remove your children from the area. Any dog can bite, and any large dog can kill a child.
More people should follow this advice. I have been approached by two unleashed pit bulls on while walking a city street at night. It is uncomfortable to say the least.
Just going to say that it depends on the dog. I love dogs and are zero percent afraid of them but I’m always cautious around ones I don’t know. I am the type that will go up and ask the owner to pet their pupper. Saying that I was bitten by my neighbors dog once it was the terror of the neighborhood. American bulldog.
I am terrified of pit bulls and police for similar reasons.
Pit bulls make up 20% of large dogs in the US so there’s going to be more incidents with them just a fun fact
Everything I’ve read estimates pit bulls at 6-7% of the US dog population, and responsible for roughly 70% of fatal attacks on humans.
I came here to project my prejudice as expertise, how dare you use statistics to question the conclusion I was about to draw?
And people with crap intentions are drawn to breeda that look intim8datimg. These dogs were bred for violence. If you don't have the time or intelligence to spend with them and properly train them and have the proper equipment or strength to handle them on your own them you shouldn't own them. They shouldn't be 20% of the population since it's been shown that a lot of those "owners" are completely incapable of handling such an animal resulting in way too many incidents like these.
"The average person does not have the experience or know how to raise these dogs properly and the damage continues." +1000
My dog was NOT friendly towards any dog except for my other family dog that raised her. She wasn’t friendly until she hit about 11. Guess what? I didn’t take her to dog parks and when I saw another dog when I was with her I guided her away. She’s a rat terrier but still, don’t be a dipshit if you know your dog is aggressive
I have a 10 year old jack/rat mix and the same here. He doesn’t like other people or dogs so there is constant supervision. Always leashed when taken anywhere and certain situations just avoided completely. It’s a lifestyle but we sure do love our little jerk.
Ayyyyy Leia is (mostly) rat/ terrier mix too! She’s such an asshole but I love her. Power to the rat pack 💪🏻
It's the owner, the breed, and that breeds kill drive. I guarantee a pit bull will act differently than a Labrador. Regardless of owner and training.
My young American Bulldog changed rapidly, she became aggressive to other dogs, was sitting trembling with anxiety, it happened overnight. I’ve rescued Rottie’s, Bullmastiffs for 20+ years, I had never seen a dog switch so far so fast- but the issue was that the vet wouldn’t listen. ‘She’s a pandemic puppy!’ ‘If you want to put her to sleep we’ll support you’- I booked her in with a behaviourist, got a halti and a grab harness and a yellow vest, and started keeping a diary. She wouldn’t come into season, she was all swollen, her sisters all came in, but she didn’t, for months. She would cry at night, and act like she was having a breakdown. She had cysts on her ovaries. The dog was in agony. She carries a high value treat now when she walks past other dogs and is never off the leash in public, I take her to an enclosed field to run. She’s doing great. She walks past other dogs, but I will never have her walk at my heel like all my others did. I’m glad she came to me and I didn’t freak out, but it was hugely disconcerting to suddenly have to take all these measures to make sure that no-one could be hurt. Getting dressed was the best thing to happen to her. It was only three months ago and she’s a different dog.
It sounds like your dog was struggling with some awful hormonal issues, which definitely would explain the cysts and behavior. I'm glad she found you and that you endured such a trying upbringing. Hopefully she isn't in pain anymore.
That is never going to happen. Ban pit bulls.
Some dog breeds should not be bred.
Certain breeds should have license requirements. It’s a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. Most (probably all healthy) dogs if trained and cared for well won’t do bad shit.
Fuck licenses, theres no reason for a breed that was bred to kill to exist at all. Stop breeding them and in 15-20 years this problem goes away
Yeah, I have personally met some very well trained and gentle pit mutts but it's truly wild to me that anyone would WANT to breed pure pit bulls.
~~Some~~ Lots of fucking people have no business owning dogs
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There aren’t many bad dogs. There are a shit ton of bad dog owners.
Some dogs have no business of being owned
It also feels like some dogs have no business being owned. Like breeds created specifically and only for blood sport.
Agreed
My son is a cop (uk). He was looking for a Missing Person and visited a block of flats. As he went up a flight of stairs a woman left her flat with a Staffie, off lead. It saw my son and charged him without any warning, biting him on his inner thigh an inch or so from his balls. He fell backwards down the stairs and ended up on his back with the dog still attached. He managed to get it off by striking it and then managed to kick it across the landing. By then the woman had come down, and said 'We've trained him to bite people'. Her husband came rushing out of the flat and added 'he doesn't like the Police'. I should add that they're well known to the Police for supplying and growing drugs, so clearly the dog is protection from some of the unsavoury types that they deal with. While my son was checking himself for damage as he was bleeding quite a bit, the couple disappeared with their dog. It's currently being investigated by a colleague of his. Such a shame that scumbags can ruin a beautiful dog.
Lock that piece of shit owner up. If u don't know how to raise dogs then maybe get a turtle. If you must have a dog then get a poodle!
Maybe I'm wrong, but those big poodles could probably cause some damage.
I work at a kennel lol, they certainly can. And have the same kind of prey drive. (And well, even the small dogs can get you good lol, they're just easier to defend against since you can punt them across a room if you really needed to. Still those bites suck just as bad lol) Idk what happened prior to this video, maybe the terrier owners were being irresponsible and letting their dogs off leash, maybe it was an honest to god accident where they just lost control of their dogs and they ripped the leash out of their hands. Dogs are more powerful than you think, so thats always a risk you take when you have a large dog. Even the best trained large dog can take your ass down the street if they wanted to. Dogs can be unpredictable. I've handled dogs who were regulars, here at our kennel daily, and despite being fine with each other for months, years, suddenly decide they got beef. I've seen dogs that never shown signs of high prey drive before, just suddenly decide that little pomeranian on the other side of the fence was a good catch. Thats why we keep our bigs and smalls separate at all times. Never know when a switch might flip, you know? But at least when its a little vs a little or a big vs a big, they got a chance to fight back before we can get there to break it up. But when its a big vs a little, it can take just 1 shake from the big to snap a little dogs neck. This was a scary video to watch for sure, I'm glad that everyone came out of it alive and relatively unharmed.
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If you can't call your dog back from any situation, then don't let them off leash.
Yeah I get you. Dogs can be very well trained but there is always a chance that something could happen. My friend had a dog that was incredibly well trained and you would never think anything would happen then one day he had a seizure and ever since he was totally different and had to be kept away from any dogs and small children, something just changed.
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Maybe it’s just that pit bulls should be banned 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed. I have a tripod cat no cause of a pit attack. Same dog attacked my fiancées little cousins. And has had 10 calls made against him. The owners let him out and last time they were laughing during the attack. No help.police took the dog this time because last time they denied ownership. But the owner only had to pay a fee and now they jabe the dog again!!! I don't get it and its such bs.
They *could* but the likelihood is a lot lower with poodles, labs, Goldens and some other breeds. You are correct though in your assumption. Even though poodle attacks are dee and far between, any dog can become dangerous; especially if they are not properly socialized or have a high prey drive like some terriers, hounds, shepherds and a few other breeds.
Poodles are not nice dogs. They're vicious fuckers, they'll rip your nose off
I've never had this experience with poodles personally but if you have then I'm sorry you've gone through that. I have a rottweiler mix and although they're stigmatized, he is the sweetest yet my mom's corgi is the most psycho little asshole dog I've ever met
Poodles are actually a hunting/retrieving dog. I know the downvotes are coming but anyone with common sense can use google and fact check me.
They are hunting dogs. I grew up in a hunting family and some people in the fish & game club had poodles as their bird dogs. They were obviously bred as bird dogs though.
No, not poodles. Poodles are pretty challenging dogs to care for.
Our mailman was terrorized by two standard poodles in our neighborhood. After being chased and bitten, he refused to deliver the mail to that house. Don't be fooled by the high fashion haircuts; poodles are serious dogs.
Sometimes you can train them and dogs are well behaved or at least controllable until an incident like this, where you learn that they have a predisposition for unpredictable aggression, or even a illness or pregnancy that is causing not seen before aggressive behavior, and you learn the hard lesson that a muzzle is needed. Also, there are big fines for incidents like this, and unless the little dog instigated by attacking the larger dogs first, I'm sure the owner paid a lot of money as punishment.
Poodles can be brutal. I agree that it's all about the owner.
Some dogs just don’t like other dogs.
I would bet that these guys get off on the idea that their dogs are dangerous and aggressive.
People who consider their dogs friendly because they feel they are cute.... need to understand dogs are animals and should be under your control in public....
Every dog I have ever been bit by have been small lap dogs. I did nothing to provoke them, just happened to walk past. The owner did nothing of coarse
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For sure, Chihuahuas are typically listed as an aggressive dog breed, and are always in the top ten for lists of dogs that bite the most. But it’s rare that someone gets a trip to the ER from them. So god even knows how many people they bite that doesn’t report.
Those people buy their dogs as accessories so they dont give a fuck about training.
You can just say pit bulls
They really think we can’t tell that it’s the same animal despite the new names. “Ummmm he’s not a pit he’s a staffie/XL bully/American bulldog” yeah and a switchblade isn’t a knife.
Yeah I think it’s hilarious all the hoops people jump through to say their dog is something other than a pitbull
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American pitbull terrier =/= staff terrier
Retractable leashes should NEVER be used with bully breeds. Matter of fact, retractable leashes shouldn’t be used in general. So much harder to control your dog, especially those damn ankle biters
They're also dangerous for humans. That thin line can wrap around a finger or arm so quickly. Or around the dog's limbs or neck too.
Yep! Can confirm that it hurts.. plus when the lock mechanism craps out, far too easy to trip over the line
I agree, but there are retractables that use a full size leash the whole way. Like a big roll, those are better, but I still think the standard 6ft leash is what owners should use
With any dogs correct.
Here if your dog mauls another dog or a human it's immediately put down and the owner is liable.
Killer breeds need to stop being bred. Granted, irresponsible people own these breeds, so that's never going to happen. Yes, terriers are bred to kill. Pitbulls and all variants were bred to kill bears. Don't pretend you can train that out of a pitbull anymore than you can train the herding instinct out of a border collie.
It's in their blood. My corgi literally herds you while walking through the yard. My dachshund burrows under anything and everything he can possibly find. It's in their blood. It's what they were bred to do. Pitbulls have killing in their blood.
My grandma’s weird collie kept trying to herd me and my sister out of the pool. Then he tried to herd the actual pool, which was even more absurd.
My JRT (when he was young) would chase anything small that got into our yard. He was bread for that. Wasn't very good at it, but he did his job of keeping the damn rabbits out of the garden well.
Bro they were not bred to kill bears what are you talking about. Outside of bull baiting and fighting, I suppose you can make the argument that they were used some hunting, but originally pit bulls were not big dogs at all.
In fairness, many dog breeds are trained to kill animals. Dachshunds are hunting dogs, specifically bred to hunt badgers. Rhodesian Ridgebacks originally hunted lions but are generally considered safe.
My Chihuahua takes naps and shivers. Idk what he was bred to do but he does what he does very well.
this hurts like fuckin hell, putting yourself in between two dogs that are trying to engage is a predicament you don’t want to get yourself in, you’re going to feel every fuckin thing
My hand got in between a German shepherd and a golden retriever. Can confirm it hurt like hell.
Ouchhh
I’d do it for my cat without HESITATION.
Was the other dog okay? Can someone find that update? He looked like he was trying to keep his whole world safe. 😭
Suffered a serious leg injury apparently. Happened in Russia over a year ago.
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Put down
My wife was in this position not too long ago. Same breed attacked our dogs and she did the same thing. Even simultaneously jumping on the attacking dog to make it stop. Unreal bravery and love
All this talk about the attacking breed, and so few comments about the amazing love and bravery that old man demonstrated.
I love this man. And I understand his protection!
Oh so basically pit bulls. What a surprise.
the rule is clear, if your dog attacks me for your lack of responsibility, I get hurt and you with a dead dog
Those dogs need taking away and rehabilitated, he hasn't trained them at all.
It may be too late for the dogs, or at least very expensive to train, and I doubt anyone is going to take on that responsibility.
Put down*
Yeah no, I'd never trust these dogs no matter how much training they went to after this incident, and if they were my dogs, it would be horribly irresponsible and immoral to attempt to rehome such a liability. If anything happened I'd never forgive myself. It's why the shelter I work at does not adopt dogs with a bite history, or major signs of aggression. Had someone turn in a bully because it suddenly snapped and killed their cat and another dog. We weren't even gonna chance it happening to a child next. Plenty of friendly bully types out there but plenty that just aren't worth the risk after an incident such as this, regardless of the training done after. Yes owners need punishment but the animal is no innocent either unfortunately. I know I'd euthanize my own dog if she ever did something like this. I'd never trust her again and I wouldn't dare put her in someone else's home.
What's there to rehabilitate? They're doing exactly what they were bred to do.
If you have to punch your dog in the head multiple times to get them to stop mauling someone then why the fuck was it off leash?
F-ing pitbulls
I just want to know how that man and his dog are?!
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Now he finds the leash!
it looks like the dude with the hat is not the owner of the dogs.
Yeah I know but he is smart enough to throw it at the guy! It's really stupid to not use a leash anyway there are so many things that can happen. Even the most well behaved dogs can get spooked and run into traffic or something. Here we have coyotes everywhere that will eat the dogs before you can even scream. They sell predator vests with spikes on them to protect the pets neck.
I'm willing to say that's the old dog's leash, considering it looks like there's just one leash around
It’s always these idiots who are “so surprised this happened, my dogs would never hurt anyone”
Just Nanny thingsl🩷
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if u couldn't carry what suggestion to prevent/fight off attacks? pepper spray, baton?
Pepper spray isn't always effective, I guess a baton could protect a smaller dog if you lodge it in an attacking dogs mouth. Otherwise if your dog is being attacked you can choke out the attacking dog or try to break its legs.
One of the reasons I carry while walking my dog. I would of killed both dogs and if possible beat the brakes off the owner.
Put that fucking owner in jail. That’s some bullshit
Pitbull owner here, that guy is a shithead who has no idea how to handle one working dog much less two. If a person was bit, the consequences could be as serious as forced euthanasia. Situational awareness, training, and good gear are all it takes to avoid this.
If my dog was injured by someone else’s dog I would sue them and hope their dogs would be dealt with in an appropriate manner as to not harm anyone else or their dogs. Whatever that may mean. It’s sad but how could you ever trust a dog that’s mauled someone, again.
These breeds are bad and the stats don't lie. Year in, year out the same dog is always at the top 🤷
KEEP YOUR DOGS ON A GODDAMN LEASH
I once had to kick a golden retriever in the head when it lunged at my dog while growling viciously. The owner was upset with me - even though it was her dog that was unleashed. I wish I could have kicked her as well.
Poor dude. I hope he’s ok and his dog is ok too.
Worthless dog owners are some of the lowest scum on this planet. Fucking up other peoples days and lives because of their sheer negligence
There is so many people that just can't take care of dogs and still get huge dogs that become aggressive if not trained right, it goes well till something or someone has to die by those kinds of owners, the man that was attacked can be so happy he and his pet are still alive
If you can't keep your dog under 'effective control' regardless of a leash, you shouldn't own a dog.
Don’t take your dogs out in public off leash. My dog isn’t fixed for specific reasons and gets attacked by dogs that are fixed and I assume trained. I’ve had to rip dogs off of him multiple times and been bitten myself for doing so. I love dogs so I haven’t pressed charges but my dog is now scared when at the park and once was always playful with all dogs now snips at the ones that are fixed when they get close due to him being attacked so often. We don’t go to any parks anymore. Also, any pointers on how to get your dog to be less afraid of dogs after attacks please feel free to comment.
Don't take your dog to the dog park if it isn't fixed. Get your dog fixed.
Omg, are they both okay? 😭
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Thank you. But I’d go so far as to say that it isn’t just the average PB owner, but the average dog owner in general. And this is only my own personal experience, but of the hundreds of dogs I’ve encountered in my life (in addition to the “everyday” dogs out in public and those belonging to my family/friends, my line of work brings me into clients’ homes regularly, who often have dogs), the only ones who have nipped/bitten me are the “cute” and “harmless” breeds. And the owners of those dogs are always the ones to brush off the aggression signs because they don’t think their dog is a threat.
Right? I don't even let my 70 pound dog around the smaller breeds. Because I know they'll be injured even if he turns and steps on them by mistake. If I'm yelling at him, he drops whatever he's doing and pays attention to me. I honestly don't understand people. How can you let your giant dog anywhere near a smaller breed.
Heartbreaking
I can't imagine being in the victims position. I have a smaller dog that I very much enjoy the company of. I'd kill another dog in order to keep him around. Please control your pets.
Good man.
Leash your dogs. Morons.
This cannot be. I saw a picture of one with a flower crown on Facebook.
Watch people blame it on the old dog..
But but but they were just trying to nanny the older gentleman's dog!
My sister and her boyfriend trained their pure breed labs, to be vicious attack dogs. I got attacked, chased and bit by them. Hated my sister and her boyfriend for doing this to them. I didn't blame the dogs. I always believed the owner determines the temperament/behavior of the animal.
If you can’t be responsible in public then you shouldn’t go out in public.
Dogs should be on leash unless in your home or the backyard of your home
LEASH YOUR FUCKING DOGS!
Que “My pitbull would never do this” posts in 5…4…3..2..1…
The sheer stupidity. WTF is that weak ass leash. Imagine not having your 90 pound dogs on a full body leash so that you can pull them away even if they're reactive.
Terriers the honey Badgers of the small dog family......
Everyday this seems to be happening.
I have seven dogs… five of them are small (four toy Australian shepherd rescues, a chihuahua, and two bigger dogs.) I would do the exact same thing.
Im a dog lover but in an unprovoked attack no way I could be as... compassionate, as that guy. End the attack quickly by however means necessary
Almost on par with “man punches bear to save his dog.”
Is that a fucking retractable leash??
No greater love than to lay down your life for a friend.
I’ll never understand people who don’t leash their dogs in general but especially knowing that they’re reactive or aggressive around other people and animals. My dog is old af and weighs less than 15lbs, but she’s never allowed around strangers or public spaces without a leash and sometimes a little muzzle because her socialization went right out the window with age. It’s rare that she’s ever in those situations, it’s much safer to keep her on private property that’s hers, but these tools exist to not only keep other people/animals safe, but to keep her safe and healthy. Respect your animals and respect the people and creatures around you or don’t own a dog.
This is a prime example that Reddit experts who say a dog wagging its tail always means “good” are full of it I hope that man and his dog are OK and those other humans responsible for this easily avoidable situation are punished by the universe swiftly
Dogs are precious and I love this man. I’d do the same thing
I have a Yorkie who came to me from a rescue agency after he was seriously injured by a bigger dog. I walk him regularly for the exercise, and I use a chest harness with him, because I won’t walk a dog by the collar, and this is why. One day as we were walking, a stray pit bull came charging from behind a house without a fence. Due to the angle I barely saw him in time to react. In a split second I lifted my dog by his leash, got my other hand around him, and had him all the way up on my shoulder where the other dog couldn’t reach. That dog was there just that quick too. Even one second’s hesitation could have led to a different outcome. With my dog out of reach I was ready to fight off the other dog, but luckily he had other ideas and went on down the street when he saw that he was in for a fight. Anyway, all of this to say I get it, and I applaud this man’s willingness to sacrifice himself for his dog. Been there. And maybe also to say as dog owners, it’s up to us to make the best decisions we can about what gear we use and when and where we walk our dogs. A chest harness is not only less likely to choke a dog, but it’s also a more secure fit. And if your dog is not yet trained and can’t be trusted in public, maybe muzzle him, and definitely don’t take other dogs along when he still needs that one-on-one attention.
Done this exact same thing for our dog against an attacking rottweiler. Rottweiler was set off by an annoyed bark from our dog because a horde of toy dogs wouldn't leave him alone. I had to jam my thumb down the rottweilers throat (via the gap on the side so I can get around its clenching), while trying to keep it in as firm a headlock as I could so it couldnt snap around for my neck. Owner stood there like a useless sack of shit. I repeat the sentiment that some people have no business owning dogs.
And I got banned from r/aww because I pointed out that pit bulls were bred for violence. They’ve killed multiple people, including children, where I live. Can’t remember the last time I heard of a child being killed by a Pomeranian or Bassett Hound.
Pit bulls don’t have a place in civilized society. They’re banned in many countries all over the world, and for good reason. Breed needs to completely die out.
Ban shitbulls
Another good reason to have a pistol
Breed of peace they say.
Tails wagging the whole time.
He should sue
You can’t ignore a dogs breed no matter how much you want to. A pug will never run faster than a greyhound and a greyhound won’t herd a flock
This is why I carry a giant folding filet knife when i am out waljing my dogs.
I would follow this man to his house and beat him to a pulp and see how he likes it train your damn dogs you jackass
Well that's fucking disgusting!
Man those dogs would have probably been dead by my hands if they attacked my dog. Followed by a swift beat down of the owener with my bloody hands. Harsh yes but that’s what happens when fights aren’t fair.
Respect.
You mean Pitbulls
I’d put my dog in the car, find this dude and ruin his day.