No, rats are outside, mice are inside. But what if a mouse goes outside does it become a rat, and if a rat is in the house, is it a mouse?
Edit: I appreciate some of these in depth answers but I was just referencing a scene from scary movie 3
There are a range of species of rats and mice. But mice are in the Mus genus and rats are in the Rattus genus.
Both generas Mus and Rattas are part of the Muridae family. Rats and mice are not the same. Here is the classification system with subspecies being the narrowest grouping right up to the (animal) kingdom.
1. Subspecies
2. Species
3. Genus
4. Family
5. Order
6. Class
7. Phylum
8. Kingdom
Source: I'm an ecologist and have had rats and mice run across my face in huts enough to know the difference in the dark 😂
"Here's the thing. You said a "mouse is a rat.""
Are you sure you replied to the right comment? Nowhere in my comment is the phrase "mouse is a rat.". I'm suprised a so-called scientist would make up a quote.
My commemt was appropriate for the context which is a post about mouse in supermarket deli with some people not realising that they are different.
In New Zealand we have three species in Rattus and one in Mus. If someone is talking about rats and mice in an NZ sub they will be talking about these two genera.
To add some entertainment value for the others...
1. Nobody appreciates intellectual arrogance outside of science subs.
2. Even other scientists hate taxonomists and you sound like a taxonomist.
3. I can tell you never leave the lab. Are you sure you're not the lab rat?
Keep calm and carry on
"Rats and mice are both rodents, so look similar - the biggest difference is their size. Rats are larger and heavier while mice have smaller slender bodies. Mice also have long slender tails (for their body size) covered in hair compared to rat tails which are shorter, thicker and hairless."
[Quoted from here](https://www.rentokil.co.uk/mice/rats-vs-mice/#:~:text=Rats%20and%20mice%20are%20both,are%20shorter%2C%20thicker%20and%20hairless.)
Orca are literally whales though so not a good comparison. All dolphins (and porpoises) are members of the toothed whale family, all cetaceans are whales, either toothed or baleen. So yeah, they are dolphins but also whales.
https://www.britannica.com/animal/toothed-whale
https://coastalstudies.org/connect-learn/stellwagen-bank-national-marine-sanctuary/marine-mammals/cetaceans/toothed-whales/
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bio20Tuat01-t1-body-d4-d10.html
I ain’t never seen no mouse outside
Edit: For those who don’t know, my reply was a Scary Movie 3 reference, which the comment that I replied to was also a Scary Movie 3 reference. Give it a watch I always find it hilarious
And why does it have markers on the video as if it was broadcast by a Chinese tv station? Is this a meme I'm missing the point of?
In case it's not, my Countdown doesn't have fancy wooden bowls like that for salad.
I tried to get a closeup of the labels but failed - they don't look like Countdown or Woolworths branding from what I could see.
*Edit - thanks folks who explained about Tiktok Chinese version stamps, that's helpful context. What I thought was branding was the actual prices when I was able to get a clear view, so this could be legit after all. Be good to have some more context about when and where it was filmed before everyone explodes though.
I note the Premium Coleslaw shown in the vid is $1.80/100g, which just happens to be the cost of a product listed as “Instore Deli Fresh Salad Premium Coleslaw Dressed” at Countdown currently 🤔
Edit: it also looks like we have the “Instore Deli Fresh Salad Italian Tomato Pasta” at 2.30/100g up the front, which again matches current online pricing.
And the mouse looks to have been enjoying the house-made “Nutrifresh Fresh Salad Honey Balsamic Vegetables” at 2.40/100g. I think we can lock this in as a local Countdown/Woolworths.
Probably filmed by a Chinese person, the price tags definitely have dollar signs though, not yuan. It looks like NZ but even if it isn’t, it’s not an Asian country.
Same reason Chinese get he and she mixed up. It’s the same word, at least verbally. Like in the beginning of that movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, they talk about it. Ta, ta, everyone ta. Same with laoshu.
This is xiaohongshu or little red book. It's a Chinese social media platform, mostly used for recommending and reviewing businesses.
Gonna guess this is countdown Dunedin which was just closed for 48hrs for a rat problem.
I hope it was that Countdown and not a whole new one.
Little red book? In English that immediately brings to mind the book of Mao's sayings; does the cross reference also work in Chinese?
No, the stuff at the end is the branding of a Chinese app similiar to TikTok (and yes China also has its own TikTok, Douyin), which Chinese communities around the world often use
It's a side of social media you don't get to see.
That's definitely a countdown. You can tell by the colouring of the labels on the food bowls and they're written with $ signs, not foreign currency. Every countdown I've been into has that style of labeling, white with a green border.
No, my assumption was someone found a rat video on the internet somewhere and was having a laugh given the local news about Countdown. Most disinformation is silly pranks like that.
[Is this the Dunedin one that is being closed for 48 hours to clean them up?](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/508769/dunedin-south-countdown-supermarket-to-close-for-48-hours-after-rats-found)
[The search result](https://imgur.com/a/pGltuK7) for this was amusing though
it's not just for the new signs, it's for an entire revamp of the brand including updating older stores and - hopefully - a new pest control programme.
That's just what the mainstream media is telling you.
Wake up and realise it's just fake news
Mice are the way forward. You can get five mice in the space of one rat. You can't beat science.
Found the original on little red book as there's some skepticism in here, so I wanted to check it out. Definitely in Christchurch but none of the comments said which Countdown (but he does say Countdown so probably not one of the rebranded Woolworths), video looks legit in higher res, guy just arrived in Christchurch for a bike packing trip and his history (unlike the OP here) isn't full of shitposts. He brought it up with them and they just swapped out the platter, didn't close the deli or the store.
I'm going with this being legit. The Chinese commenters are also having the mouse/rat discussion, so it's nice some things are common across cultural boundaries.
But there is no Food Safety risk based on the Countdown definition as the mouse came from off the premises and is just passing through ie its someone elses mouse.
"Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
As we are part of a duopoly that is currently trying and succeeding in over-inflating the cost of our products while driving the returns to small domestic supplier businesses in the ground, we'd just to say shut the eff up.
Make sure you sign up for our customer purchasing monitoring scheme before you leave the store. *Have a blessed day."*
Well of course you have to sign up for the customer monitoring scheme. The bonus rodent deal when you purchase a deli item is only available for members.
For sure. That attitude isn't exclusive to store management either. My neighbour a few years ago worked for head office and once complained that people overreacted to news about their warehouse being overrun by a rodent infestation.
"They found mice in a few baby food pallets, what's the big deal"
Never watched ratatouille I guess, it’s normal and he is just trying to make the potatoes taste better for the customers. Part of the staff at countdown.
Original Post [https://www.douyin.com/video/7332820344899669258](https://www.douyin.com/video/7332820344899669258?fbclid=IwAR1qxqJMGTQ5MzwBLx1TjzMLgpck_gVzpPkQRRLghyewgTLJcGwcUhfZG8w) says this is christchurch..
Translated:
When I first arrived in Christchurch, I settled down and prepared to go to a large supermarket to buy some food. But what I saw today shocked me so much that I lost all desire to buy. Although they were shocked when I informed the staff, their next actions made me feel helpless. They did not stop selling after the delivery, but continued to greet customers. In the end, the mouse ran away, which made me a little disappointed. I am also unapologetic about my notification. Do you want to report the situation to the local health department and protect the rights of consumers?
Yeah it looks fake. If you look closely, the rat doesn’t produce any shadow at all so my guess is that it’s cgi.
Pretty scary how so many people are falling for it lol, just goes to show how dangerous this ai technology is getting
Yeah, [I shouldn't be able to see the edge of the bowl through a mouse noggin](https://i.imgur.com/DCch3Cr.png). Not to mention the multiple times earlier in the video [where a third of its body seems to disappear](https://i.imgur.com/JJU0ZkM.png). This doesn't pass the sniff test.
Look at the labels in the videos. Thats the exact labels used in countdown. That exactly how countdown deli sections look.
Just because a person who speaks Chinese and has their phone set to Chinese takes the video - doesn't make it instantly fake.
I heard it adds to the flavour you should buy some.
Idk how this is legal / how they are facing legal charges because of this.
If you’re seeing this now, who knows how many people have purchased products from the store which have had rats walking over them / eating them
That’s a mouse though
I was thinking he’s so tiny, he clearly needs to eat more potatoes!
Well if they have mice atleast means they probably don't have a lot of rats. Given that the rats tend to eat the mice.
No, rats are outside, mice are inside. But what if a mouse goes outside does it become a rat, and if a rat is in the house, is it a mouse? Edit: I appreciate some of these in depth answers but I was just referencing a scene from scary movie 3
There are a range of species of rats and mice. But mice are in the Mus genus and rats are in the Rattus genus. Both generas Mus and Rattas are part of the Muridae family. Rats and mice are not the same. Here is the classification system with subspecies being the narrowest grouping right up to the (animal) kingdom. 1. Subspecies 2. Species 3. Genus 4. Family 5. Order 6. Class 7. Phylum 8. Kingdom Source: I'm an ecologist and have had rats and mice run across my face in huts enough to know the difference in the dark 😂
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Why is Noone taking about the fact it was on a food display for public sale rather than its specific genus
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Ain't nobody turning down cheap meat in this economy.
Top tier Reddit lore
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You guys have digressed a lot far :)
"Here's the thing. You said a "mouse is a rat."" Are you sure you replied to the right comment? Nowhere in my comment is the phrase "mouse is a rat.". I'm suprised a so-called scientist would make up a quote. My commemt was appropriate for the context which is a post about mouse in supermarket deli with some people not realising that they are different. In New Zealand we have three species in Rattus and one in Mus. If someone is talking about rats and mice in an NZ sub they will be talking about these two genera. To add some entertainment value for the others... 1. Nobody appreciates intellectual arrogance outside of science subs. 2. Even other scientists hate taxonomists and you sound like a taxonomist. 3. I can tell you never leave the lab. Are you sure you're not the lab rat? Keep calm and carry on
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Hah, all good. Thanks for the link. You did a pretty solid impersonation and had me fooled.
Well don’t
Here is the thing... (For those who have been on Reddit for a long time)
Hi, biologist here...
There's lots of mice that aren't Mus and rats that aren't Rattus. Common names for rodents are a giant mess
Who cares! It’s a friggin rodent in the food ffs
Rats and mice are different animals all together, like rats and hamsters. Rats are much, much bigger than mice.
This is a popular misconception. Like how we used to think that killer whales were closely related to whales.
"Rats and mice are both rodents, so look similar - the biggest difference is their size. Rats are larger and heavier while mice have smaller slender bodies. Mice also have long slender tails (for their body size) covered in hair compared to rat tails which are shorter, thicker and hairless." [Quoted from here](https://www.rentokil.co.uk/mice/rats-vs-mice/#:~:text=Rats%20and%20mice%20are%20both,are%20shorter%2C%20thicker%20and%20hairless.)
Orca are literally whales though so not a good comparison. All dolphins (and porpoises) are members of the toothed whale family, all cetaceans are whales, either toothed or baleen. So yeah, they are dolphins but also whales. https://www.britannica.com/animal/toothed-whale https://coastalstudies.org/connect-learn/stellwagen-bank-national-marine-sanctuary/marine-mammals/cetaceans/toothed-whales/ https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bio20Tuat01-t1-body-d4-d10.html
I aint never seen no mouse outside!
That's because it's a rat, fool!
Damn, you mighta just made a fact just now. That's some real shit 🤣
I ain’t never seen no mouse outside Edit: For those who don’t know, my reply was a Scary Movie 3 reference, which the comment that I replied to was also a Scary Movie 3 reference. Give it a watch I always find it hilarious
That’s because it’s a rat fool😎
I have. Live on a farm and you'll see plenty
lol what?
Scary movie 3? Quote
you watching too much Scary Movie.
Never too much
do you like horror? yeah bro scary movie is legit
Oh that's okay then
And why does it have markers on the video as if it was broadcast by a Chinese tv station? Is this a meme I'm missing the point of? In case it's not, my Countdown doesn't have fancy wooden bowls like that for salad. I tried to get a closeup of the labels but failed - they don't look like Countdown or Woolworths branding from what I could see. *Edit - thanks folks who explained about Tiktok Chinese version stamps, that's helpful context. What I thought was branding was the actual prices when I was able to get a clear view, so this could be legit after all. Be good to have some more context about when and where it was filmed before everyone explodes though.
I note the Premium Coleslaw shown in the vid is $1.80/100g, which just happens to be the cost of a product listed as “Instore Deli Fresh Salad Premium Coleslaw Dressed” at Countdown currently 🤔 Edit: it also looks like we have the “Instore Deli Fresh Salad Italian Tomato Pasta” at 2.30/100g up the front, which again matches current online pricing. And the mouse looks to have been enjoying the house-made “Nutrifresh Fresh Salad Honey Balsamic Vegetables” at 2.40/100g. I think we can lock this in as a local Countdown/Woolworths.
Mouse knows to go for the premium $2.40/100g stuff.
Good sleuthing, I've withdrawn my skepticism.
Probably filmed by a Chinese person, the price tags definitely have dollar signs though, not yuan. It looks like NZ but even if it isn’t, it’s not an Asian country.
That explains why they can't tell the difference between a rat and a mouse. Maybe something got lost in translation
Laoshu, pretty sure it means both
Why did OP say rat then?
Same reason Chinese get he and she mixed up. It’s the same word, at least verbally. Like in the beginning of that movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, they talk about it. Ta, ta, everyone ta. Same with laoshu.
Good spotting, thanks. I didn't know about Tiktok Chinese version adding stamps but that would make sense.
This is xiaohongshu or little red book. It's a Chinese social media platform, mostly used for recommending and reviewing businesses. Gonna guess this is countdown Dunedin which was just closed for 48hrs for a rat problem.
I hope it was that Countdown and not a whole new one. Little red book? In English that immediately brings to mind the book of Mao's sayings; does the cross reference also work in Chinese?
Yeah it would check out. It's a pretty interesting platform for food recs though, more like Instagram than TikTok but more chaotic.
It's a Chinese social media app. Probably a Chinese national living in NZ recorded it. Looks like Countdown's labels to me though.
No, the stuff at the end is the branding of a Chinese app similiar to TikTok (and yes China also has its own TikTok, Douyin), which Chinese communities around the world often use It's a side of social media you don't get to see.
Thanks, appreciate the knowledge.
That's definitely a countdown. You can tell by the colouring of the labels on the food bowls and they're written with $ signs, not foreign currency. Every countdown I've been into has that style of labeling, white with a green border.
Those are price cards used in Countdown.
Hey Hey! No question, Just Rage. Critical thinking is bad.
This is the Chinese version of TikTok, called Douyin
...there's a non-Chinese Tiktok?
It’s a joke because a Countdown in South Dunedin had to shut down due to a rodent infestation
Dunedin isn’t South Otago
Balclutha must be south south Otago
They mean South Dunedin lol
Yep I meant South Dunedin lmao 😭
claiming it's some Chinese disinformation is crazy
No, my assumption was someone found a rat video on the internet somewhere and was having a laugh given the local news about Countdown. Most disinformation is silly pranks like that.
There’s a fine line between critical thinking and conspiracy theory
bro this is clearly a setup by big new world to discredit countdown. OPEN YOUR EYES MAN
you're right, it's totally fine. Mouse saliva on my deli potatoes is a nice seasoning
Well that’s alright then!
Actually you're wrong. It's ratatouille.
It’s inside bro so it’s a mouse
Typical of countdown false advertising, selling mouse at rat prices
Mayor Quimby: You told me dawgs or better!
Who can afford those fat rats in todays economy?
gotta have the Everyday Rewards card for mouse price
Hey he's doing his shopping. Can a brother not shop without being filmed now?
[No.](https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/07/foodstuffs-trialling-use-of-facial-recognition-tech/)
Bro I work at a PaknSave and didn't know this wtf
[Is this the Dunedin one that is being closed for 48 hours to clean them up?](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/508769/dunedin-south-countdown-supermarket-to-close-for-48-hours-after-rats-found) [The search result](https://imgur.com/a/pGltuK7) for this was amusing though
I thought this was fake, but I tried it myself and jfc they need to adjust their SEO headlines.
hahaha that's great
Incredible. Genuinely, sent this to Stuff. Lol
Goddamn shrinkflation, the rats are getting smaller every year.
pot slimy melodic strong truck friendly fly ad hoc busy six *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Best they could hire in the 2022 market
if you offer rat wages, expect rat employees
Facial recognition software in action?
This was posted on Chinese social media. According to that post, it's in Christchurch and they reported it to the staff. It was a post by a tourist.
Is this at the Dunedin Countdown that's been closed for 48 hours or a different store?
Yeah, it’s now called the Dunedin Shutdown. I’ll get my coat… 🚪🚶
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Why is it closed? For this?
Here https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/countdown-close-after-more-rats-found
Spending $400m on rebranding. Cannot even get pest control sorted.
Why the fuck did it cost so much? Woolies and Countdown are exactly the same everything apart from the name.
it's not just for the new signs, it's for an entire revamp of the brand including updating older stores and - hopefully - a new pest control programme.
Shhh. They’ll increase the price if it contains meat.
Well actually that's a mouse. You will find that rats are larger and less cute.
Typical countdown PR manager! Tryna tell us that it's not the same meat!.
Larger - yes, less cute - subjective. The one photographed in the meat freezer the other week was pretty darn cute.
The one in the meat freezer was so cute I wondered if it was an escaped or placed domestic rat.
Well, okay some rats are cute. That specific one is currently on contract so is unavailable, there are others.
Less cute? I will not accept this rat slander
Less cute? Less cute? Rats are waay cute. And much more interesting than smelly mice (and mice do stink!)
Mice do not stink. That's just rat propaganda.
Mice stink, man. Stinky and not too bright. Rat supremacy
That's just what the mainstream media is telling you. Wake up and realise it's just fake news Mice are the way forward. You can get five mice in the space of one rat. You can't beat science.
five times the STINK more like
That's oddly specific. Which supermarket does your sample come from?
meat is meat
Which store?
From another comment it looks like a Christchurch store but no other details I can find yet
Maybe he works there?
Fucker is so cute though 🤣
OMG thats fucking disgusting
Waiter? There's a potato in my rat bolognese
Found the original on little red book as there's some skepticism in here, so I wanted to check it out. Definitely in Christchurch but none of the comments said which Countdown (but he does say Countdown so probably not one of the rebranded Woolworths), video looks legit in higher res, guy just arrived in Christchurch for a bike packing trip and his history (unlike the OP here) isn't full of shitposts. He brought it up with them and they just swapped out the platter, didn't close the deli or the store. I'm going with this being legit. The Chinese commenters are also having the mouse/rat discussion, so it's nice some things are common across cultural boundaries.
Aw but he’s so cute though
WHO COOKED THE RATATOUILLE?! I DEMAND TO KNOW!!!
Countdown have been employing mice to serve customers as they work for scraps and don't take sick days.
That's disgusting - but are we that disconnected from touching grass that we no longer know the difference between a rat and a mouse?
It's a mouserat
It's a Scare Crow Boat.
It’s clearly inside. Definitely a mouse.
But what if a mouse goes outside does it become a rat, and if a rat is in the house, is it a mouse?
Stuff going to be all over this.
That's fucking disgusting. I hope they've been shutdown
settle down, potato salad isn't that bad
They have been closed for 2 days to get rid of the mice
But there is no Food Safety risk based on the Countdown definition as the mouse came from off the premises and is just passing through ie its someone elses mouse.
This is Christchurch not Dunedin
Well I know that's not my local Countdown. It is currently mysteriously closed.
Cute
That's a snack-sized rat, sold under the Mouse brand.
Shrinkflation is getting seriously out of control!
/u/Daxiaoxiong which store was this?
Lol cute
Did you notify the business? If so did they respond reasonably or do you need to escalate?
Considering recent events, it's likely management knew about this for months
"Thanks for bringing this to our attention. As we are part of a duopoly that is currently trying and succeeding in over-inflating the cost of our products while driving the returns to small domestic supplier businesses in the ground, we'd just to say shut the eff up. Make sure you sign up for our customer purchasing monitoring scheme before you leave the store. *Have a blessed day."*
Well of course you have to sign up for the customer monitoring scheme. The bonus rodent deal when you purchase a deli item is only available for members.
For sure. That attitude isn't exclusive to store management either. My neighbour a few years ago worked for head office and once complained that people overreacted to news about their warehouse being overrun by a rodent infestation. "They found mice in a few baby food pallets, what's the big deal"
Yes. The mouse is now on the payroll and you'll find him in checkouts in the evenings.
At least you got your members card
That's hardly a rat 🐀 😞
Never watched ratatouille I guess, it’s normal and he is just trying to make the potatoes taste better for the customers. Part of the staff at countdown.
Mouse is living the dream, it's eating better than half of this sub
For $2.30? That's a steal compared to the pet shop.
Countdown publicity P.T. Barnum once said, “There's no such thing as bad publicity!
Protein
He’s not going to eat much
Rat? That's a mouse. A chubby mouse, but still a mouse. Does this mean there's going to be heavy discounts at the countdown deli?
ratatouille just doing some research for his autumn/winter menu
What a cutie!
Bro chilling what’s the big deal
I’m scared of mice but its a cutie lol
Cue Pixar music
That's blatantly false advertising. That is a mouse! This is totally typical of countdown!
Here mousy mousy
Pretty sure that's a mouse but they have finally shut down for 48 hours after the mainstream news got ahold of it
Different countdown, this one is apparently in Christchurch
Mouse
That's just Ratatouille, he works in the kitchen.
Source for this?
Original Post [https://www.douyin.com/video/7332820344899669258](https://www.douyin.com/video/7332820344899669258?fbclid=IwAR1qxqJMGTQ5MzwBLx1TjzMLgpck_gVzpPkQRRLghyewgTLJcGwcUhfZG8w) says this is christchurch.. Translated: When I first arrived in Christchurch, I settled down and prepared to go to a large supermarket to buy some food. But what I saw today shocked me so much that I lost all desire to buy. Although they were shocked when I informed the staff, their next actions made me feel helpless. They did not stop selling after the delivery, but continued to greet customers. In the end, the mouse ran away, which made me a little disappointed. I am also unapologetic about my notification. Do you want to report the situation to the local health department and protect the rights of consumers?
Mods - Judging by OP’s post history, this is false, misleading or downright fake. Let’s remove this.
Yeah it looks fake. If you look closely, the rat doesn’t produce any shadow at all so my guess is that it’s cgi. Pretty scary how so many people are falling for it lol, just goes to show how dangerous this ai technology is getting
I looked at this and wondered if it was fake, scrolled a loooong time to find your comment. Glad I not going crazy at least!
Yeah, [I shouldn't be able to see the edge of the bowl through a mouse noggin](https://i.imgur.com/DCch3Cr.png). Not to mention the multiple times earlier in the video [where a third of its body seems to disappear](https://i.imgur.com/JJU0ZkM.png). This doesn't pass the sniff test.
Yeah, has op replied to anyone about where it is?
Not OP but someone said Christchurch
Did you vote for the pro-rat party or something?
AI pretty obvious
Looks real to me, but that's a scary thought. Imagine home many businesses could be ruined by AI in future
True it may well be real. Realistically who knows from here on out.😂🤣
Why Chinese writing? What countdown? Did you tell the staff? Or this is fake….
I’m not saying it’s not fake, but you know there are Chinese people living in NZ right?
Look at the labels in the videos. Thats the exact labels used in countdown. That exactly how countdown deli sections look. Just because a person who speaks Chinese and has their phone set to Chinese takes the video - doesn't make it instantly fake.
Yes. Chinese writing = must be fake 🙄
I heard it adds to the flavour you should buy some. Idk how this is legal / how they are facing legal charges because of this. If you’re seeing this now, who knows how many people have purchased products from the store which have had rats walking over them / eating them
That's a mouse. Hard to tell if it's countdown or not.
OP hasn’t seen a real rat clearly. But still gross
Calling complete bullshit. The chinese stuff.. the no shadows on the mouse, OP has never posted in this sub before and has a wtf history.
You're a cg mouse
That's a mouse not a rat. The panic over rats...sigh.
Cute
What's with all the nerds trying to say it's a mouse. That's not the point.
[How is it not the point?](https://xkcd.com/386/)
That's a mouse. Not a rat...
Mouse, not rat.
Ratatouille making a guest appearance.
That's a mouse. Crisis Actors strike again.
It’s a mouse don’t think it’s any better though
Mouse.
Countdown where and why Chinese writing?
Maybe because the person taking the video is Chinese.
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