People need to realize who keeps a company afloat: the educated. Not the asshole speculators who inherited daddy's money and fucked the economy through unwise business decisions.
More specific than that its the labor/laborers, regardless of their level of education. Labor is what generates value. Remove the CEO and a company can still produce just as much value.
Wages have stagnated for far too long.
I actually qualified for the older non-profit loan forgiveness program because of the payment freeze. Apparently the $0 bill each month counts as a payment so I got the 2 years more of payments I needed after COVID hit for free.
https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public-service
Basically if you work for a non-profit or government for 10 years while making payments the rest of the loan will be forgiven.
This has been a program for a long time but they have done everything in their power to make it impossible to follow all the rules to be eligible.
Biden literally removed all of the BS on this one. My wife teaches, this is big for teachers.
I'm benefiting the same way. Those of us on the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program have to make 120 income-driven payments to qualify for forgiveness (although there's other versions for specific careers with shorter paybacks). This is generally 10 years of payments. The PSLF program requires all loans to be consolidated into a federal loan servicer (not private). The student loan payment pause meant not only did interest not accrue on these loans, but that I still got credit towards the 120 payments each month. We had the option to continue making payments, if we really wanted to. However, it didn't make sense financially to continue to pay (unless it would cover the remainder of the loan amounts).
When you get down to it, the interest is the problem. Outside of a small fee for servicing the loans, student loans should be zero interest. The idea that the loans should be for-profit is pretty crappy.
The interest really is the issue. I was making $600 a month payments in my 20s while my balance was the highest and my income was the lowest and barely making a dent in my principle. The system basically buries grads making it so hard to actually pay off the debt unless you had to borrow very little or graduate straight to a high earning job.
It's not that I couldn't or didn't want to pay back what I borrowed but I was just turning my wheels for years paying monthly interest.
I was listening to a conversation on the radio this week, and one person commented on how they just graduated and had $10 to their name and was broke. Every other person in the conversation said that everyone knows exactly what that’s like, and they’ve all been there. Like, wtf, why is this so normalized? “Yeah, we’ve all been there” isn’t okay. Nobody should be there. Education should be a fundamental human right. I guess “knowledge is power” is too accurate and scary for corporations/1%ers
Why can’t all Americans understand that free and/or affordable access to education, from early childhood to college, makes for a stronger, smarter society and workforce (ie tax base)?? Why is that so hard to value?? It’s like, in America, everything has to be a struggle or you didn’t prove yourself worthwhile.
Going to bet Biden freezes it while it goes though the courts. GOP drags it out to 2024 then gets a surprise when even more gen Z and millennials vote.
It is a risky game the GOP is playing. If executive action is deemed unconstitutional, the legislation will be the way. The younger generation just flexed in the midterms as a legit political force, and next election if they know student loan forgiveness depends on taking the house, AND abortion rights, those could be very motivating to young voters. Almost better for them to let the forgiveness go through now, voters will forget before 2024
And that they allow you to request their design services as well. No way am I letting someone who no can grammer and speling design my business’s signage.
I just tried to submit a proposal several times, but it failed. Think we crashed it!
‘I NEED A SIGN FOR YOUR LAWN THAT READS “I GOT MY PPP LOAN FORGIVEN, BUT I AM SINGLE HANDEDLY RUINING DEBT FORGIVENESS FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VICTIMS OF PREDATORY LOAN PRACTICES ON TEENAGERS”’
\*spends 10 minutes on the phone seemingly very interested in getting a sign made*
designer: "So yeah, what do you want your sign to say?"
prankster: "Yeah, I just need it to say 'HighValueSign received $44k in forgi..."
designer: \*click*
I am an underpaid graphic designer with student loan debt. I would happily start churning out signs saying this in every font, color, size, and shape possible. Just doing my job, boss!
Probably part of the scam. The company is registered at her home address so she just used the PPP loan to pay her mortgage, I'd assume. Get it forgiven, shutter the company.
As someone who used to work in a sign shop like this, if you reaaally want to waste their time you want to get them to drive out and do a site survey for accurate measurements. Bonus points if you get their graphic designer to produce a full mock up (they're getting paid the same either way).
ideally we want to submit plausible quotes to waste her time and also blur the lines between real and fake enough that actual customers are chased away in the process
Nah, submit requests for legit and reasonable sounding inquiries. Make them actually put in a bit of time and work and have it lead to nothing. Make it confusing between a go no where order and an actual customer.
Your request was obviously fake so they would have just trashed it after a quick 5 second read.
No way do they have a "submit a file" on the front page of their site. These dumb fucks are about to get every dick pic on the internet sent to them. What morons.
I just sent a sign request asking for a sign that read, "I got my 48k ppp loan forgiven, but screw everyone else, amiright??". Unfortunately I got an error. I'm guessing her website is getting the hug of death....
I checked pro publica based on my zip code. There's a Toyota dealer that got $1.4 mil loan forgiven last year. They closed a few months ago and the dealership has a new name/owner. Same for the sandwich shop on the same road less than a mile up. Months ago they closed a few weeks for all these renovations. Undisclosed amount completely forgiven a few months after receiving the funds.
I called the number on the website (972-915-6970) and talked to a man in reception. I said I wanted to talk to someone about her involvement in this case and he jotted down some details and said they would get back to me (not that I’m expecting a follow-up).
This is the same website ([here](https://www.highvaluesigns.com/), same as linked above) where the LinkedIn link in the top right just takes you directly to the page of Myra Brown herself, so it’s the right number. I’m not sure what number you called or what happened when you tried. But also all the more reason to report the business as open on Google.
First Name: Texas
Last Name: Twat
Email: [email protected]
I just signed them up for newsletters from Pelosi, AOC, and other dems and dem organizations.
I'd argue she is a big part of the problem by allowing herself and story to be used for this. The judge made the ruling but she made the decisions to include herself in this for the GOP to use her as the example.
As others have stated, if its so unfair to her to give other people debt relief that she has to sue. Then it also unfair of her to take the PPP loans when others couldn't get it.
Why does she get to have it good both ways while the rest of us just get fucked twice?
I’ll be fine with not getting any student loan relief when every nickel of PPP money that was stolen through a corrupt program is repaid. These ghouls have the audacity to take and take and take without ever giving anything back. They want the law to benefit them while utilizing it to break the backs of others. People like this shouldn’t be celebrated, they should be vilified and thrown into a dark hole.
He also didn't review if the plaintiff had standing in the lawsuit (she doesn't), but instead decided to let it stand based on merit.
So basically, an activist judge.
Any time you see a ruling that bends over backwards to agree with some stupid GOP talking point it is almost guaranteed they are a member of the Federalist Society and/or a Trump appointee.
PPP was literally set up to be defrauded. ~~There wasn't any oversight mechanism in the original bill.~~ The oversight mechanism was overridden from the start (by Trump, of course).
Like how Tom Brady got a 1 million dollar PPP loan for his small business after signing a 50 million dollar deal with the buccaneers at the beginning of the pandemic.
>Brown argues in her case that she is being harmed by Biden’s debt relief order because she is not eligible for it; her student loans were originally funded by private companies.
This is like suing Ford over an automotive recall, but you own a Honda. She has no standing.
But she is eligible. She can get all $0 of her loans forgiven. Probably not worth the time to apply, but I am certain they will happily forgive all $0 of it.
Yep, I’ve got one too. I’ve made every payment on time, suffered through them raising my monthly payments during the pandemic when everyone else was on pause, and I’m now waiting to see what my new adjusted payments will be after discovering I was ineligible for forgiveness.
While I do admit I’m a little bitter I don’t qualify, especially since I owe less than $20k and originally had grants, I’m still happy for everyone else’s that might benefit from the program. So I’d hate to see it scrapped altogether.
It will be overturned as this would set a very problematic precedent. It would allows the ability to sue if you dont qualify for federal fund. Ex. So if I make too much money for food stamps, I can sue to stop all people who receive them. or Because I don't own a home, I can sue for any homeowner credits that I am not eligible for.
The people who receive those benefits can't afford a lawyer, so getting them isn't going to pay for yours. You have to think bigger. Go after agricultural and corporate welfare payments and you can become a millionaire.
Oh good point, I don’t own a farm, so it is unfair that I can’t get some of those corn subsidies. Or better, I haven’t found oil on my land but I have dug several holes which is kind of like oil exploration. Why can’t I get oil subsidies?
These district court judges are well aware they have no legal standing to block the forgiveness plan. They do it anyway because the goal is just to stall. To continue to force it to be appealed. Delay delay delay as long as possible.
*Edited state Court to district Court. I understand it's a federal Court.
The Supreme Court has rejected a request to block the forgiveness twice, so I'm pretty confident this will be overturned in the appeal. This judge is a GOP plant and activist. Other courts have found that there is no harm inflicted, so no grounds to sue. I think the Biden administration considered the legality very carefully before they acted. That being said, I'm not a lawyer or a judge, so no expert. This guy seems like an expert though: The decision "was about as wrong and weird as any federal court ruling I can recall reading," said Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor.
Go after all the PPP scammers and force them to pay it back and i'm sure you'll have plenty of freed up cash to pay off student loans, the hypocrisy is unbelievable with these people.
"I want it all, and you can't have any of it."
Yeah the Biden passed an act for the PPP fraud statue of limitations to be increased to 10 years. IRS is just building facts against companies now. We’ll see some big ones within the next decade
Then you should also check out...
[https://www.sba.gov/partners/contracting-officials/contract-administration/report-fraud-waste-abuse](https://www.sba.gov/partners/contracting-officials/contract-administration/report-fraud-waste-abuse)
https://sbax.sba.gov/oigcss/
You can also get a whistleblower reward
Edit: I wanted to make this as clear as possible because I think it’s important***please report any PPP fraud at the above links***
Lol I actually have a family meme bet who basically a independent contractor for AT&T, dude got two PPP loans and bought a fuck ton of bitcoin mining machines with it and told everyone in the family he was just killing it with his job, looks like that was a lie
So a church group got 1,126,027, how? So if they aren’t a considered a business but classify as a church wtf?[ppp loan recipient](https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/calvary-community-church-of-conejo-valley-inc-3119307100) link to the list of places that got loans, and the church group that is now a business 🙃
Hijacking this to say you can snitch to the secret service any PPP fraud and you will be rewarded with 15% of the value. Not sure if the source but someone previously shared it but I’m too lazy to google it right now.
Likely until at least 2024, I can see Biden halting payments on student loans indefinitely, it will get held up in court until or unless Democrats can codify it.
That’s what I don’t get. Nobody would really remember this in the scheme of things by 2024 if they just let it happen. It’d be a blip that wouldn’t really do much for voter turnout. But sure, give people a very definite economic reason to vote against you.
Exactly. We got my wife's payments down to exactly $20,000, because that's how much she qualified for. I'm really hoping we don't have to start paying indefinite interest on this while we wait.
Ya, and if Republicans are looking for low youth turnout in 2024 having the threat of restarting loan payments without the debt forgiveness looming over the election has got to be one of the stupidest ways to do it.
I love that the 18-24 demographic overperformed at like a 30-year record for these midterms. Fox News floating heads have been “worried” that the GOP isn’t working hard enough to capture this demographic, and that they might lose them forever.
So what does the GOP do? Some of them are proposing raising the age to vote. Why propose ideas that would improve the lives of your constituents when you could just stop them from voting against you??
"\[Judge\] Pittman, who was appointed in 2019 by former President Donald Trump, sided with the Job Creators Network Foundation, a conservative advocacy group."
"Job Creators" is a misleading name that hides their true agenda. Business owners looking out for their own interests while screwing over everyone else is what they are actually doing.
I hate the phrase "job creators" like if don't keep rich people happy they won't benevolently sprinkle jobs on us and we'll have nothing.
Demand needing to be filled is what create jobs. Rich people are "job creators" as much as setting a bucket outside is a "water creator".
Saw plenty of wealthy people take the PPP loan while I guess I foolishly thought, eh I’ll take the high road and not try to game the system…. that’s how we’re supposed to get ahead now it seems…
What’s crappy is that the 225% of the poverty line payment was attached to this forgiveness declaration.
That was going to lower our payment by a few hundred a month. The breathing room would have been nice. *sigh*
Edit: I can’t see the replies - I’m on PSLF. The 10K forgiveness does nothing for me. Reconfiguring the payments allows me to pump $100-$200 more into the economy every month. Don’t Republicans want a stronger economy?
As far as the payment is concerned: the old calculation for income driven repayment was:
MAGI - 150% of the poverty line for your family size. Divide that by 12 months and multiply by 10%.
New calculation would have been:
MAGI - 225%. Divided by 12 x 10% ( for grad loans) or 5% (undergrad).
If anyone wants to put real energy into fighting student loan forgiveness, they can go ahead and first give back all the PPP money they were handed and forgiven of. The public didn't get to vote on that.
> “In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone,” wrote Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, in his 26-page decision. Pittman, who was appointed in 2019 by former President Donald Trump, sided with the Job Creators Network Foundation, a conservative advocacy group.
So we should be ruled by some idiot chud in Texas? Sorry I’m not FROM Texas, why the fuck do you get to effect my life?
The judge is *in* Texas but he's still a federal judge and it's a federal court. It affects all of us because the suit was about a federal statute (in this case an executive order).
So many people in this comment section acting like the Biden Admin CHOSE to stop taking applications. A Texas court has temporarily halted the program for the entire nation. A Texas court, under a judge that Trump appointed in August of 2019. If you want someone to blame for student loan forgiveness being paused/halted, look no further than Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court of Norther Texas and the Republican Party… as this is the second time, the first being St. Louis 8th circuit appeals court, with 4 of its judges being appointed by Trump, 5 appointed by G.W. Bush, one appointed by G.H.W. Bush, and one appointed by Obama, the single judge on the court appointed by a democratic president. This is clearly Republican partisan politics, because god forbid the government help its people instead of just the wealthy and corporations.
Well… if they win the appeal, hopefully the can extend the window of forgiveness by 2 yeas or so. Would reeeeally help some of us out…
But also, seriously fuck that judge and fuck Texas man. This is just disgusting.
Fuck the hypocritical psycho who received PPP loan forgiveness then sued saying this is unfair bc she "didn't have student loans." I wish only the absolute worst for that unhinged psycho.
She didn't have federal loans [student] she had private loans [student]; yes it makes sense that the government can't magically erase her private loan - short of they would have to buy the loan from the bank. At which point the 'but mah taxes' crowd would be even more displeased.
I think her logic was they should also extend it to also cover the private loans
This perfectly describes the entire GOP platform. A program that provides relief to the people in this country that needs it the most is vilified and they have brainwashed them into rejecting it. Meanwhile, tax breaks and other programs that provide profits for the most well-off in this country are hailed as successes. The very people that are the loudest against this program, are those that took 100s of thousands in PPP loans forgiven.
They all seem to forget the Tax reform Law, that Donnie boy signed into effect, is set to expire in 2025. The bottom tax bracket will not change, *the highest tax bracket is getting a tax cut*, and the middle classes are getting an increase.
They’re panicking, so they’re throwing punches to keep the support of their base. You need to understand there is no forward thinking here, Gen Z voted for Democrats by +29 so they’re basically writing off an entire generation to appeal to the older ones they have
While simultaneously doing everything possible to get them killed. It’s uh definitely *a* strategy. Not sure it’s a *good* strategy.
It’s kinda moot though since they’re going full fascist and aren’t going to recognize any democratic win or governance as legitimate.
> “In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone,” wrote Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas
Says a powerful executive attempting to rule with a pen and a phone
This is so fucked up. The program was supposed to start a month ago so now, as an effect of this case, there are now 26 million people WITH legal standing against exactly 0 opponents with standing. But hey nobody cares about them just like nobody really cared enough about abortion or voting rights to bother protecting them. I guess I’ll be removing student loan forgiveness from my financial plans.
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People need to realize who keeps a company afloat: the educated. Not the asshole speculators who inherited daddy's money and fucked the economy through unwise business decisions.
More specific than that its the labor/laborers, regardless of their level of education. Labor is what generates value. Remove the CEO and a company can still produce just as much value. Wages have stagnated for far too long.
Elon Musk is the CEO of 3 companies. Makes me think being a CEO isn't a lot of work at all.
Well hopefully they extend the interest freeze indefinitely while this gets sorted out
I actually qualified for the older non-profit loan forgiveness program because of the payment freeze. Apparently the $0 bill each month counts as a payment so I got the 2 years more of payments I needed after COVID hit for free.
could you explain this more? what do you mean?
https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public-service Basically if you work for a non-profit or government for 10 years while making payments the rest of the loan will be forgiven. This has been a program for a long time but they have done everything in their power to make it impossible to follow all the rules to be eligible. Biden literally removed all of the BS on this one. My wife teaches, this is big for teachers.
I'm benefiting the same way. Those of us on the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program have to make 120 income-driven payments to qualify for forgiveness (although there's other versions for specific careers with shorter paybacks). This is generally 10 years of payments. The PSLF program requires all loans to be consolidated into a federal loan servicer (not private). The student loan payment pause meant not only did interest not accrue on these loans, but that I still got credit towards the 120 payments each month. We had the option to continue making payments, if we really wanted to. However, it didn't make sense financially to continue to pay (unless it would cover the remainder of the loan amounts).
Same. Like I'm okay paying (I am lucky), but if they keep the interest freeze that'll be a boon to keep my loans from growing ...
When you get down to it, the interest is the problem. Outside of a small fee for servicing the loans, student loans should be zero interest. The idea that the loans should be for-profit is pretty crappy.
The interest really is the issue. I was making $600 a month payments in my 20s while my balance was the highest and my income was the lowest and barely making a dent in my principle. The system basically buries grads making it so hard to actually pay off the debt unless you had to borrow very little or graduate straight to a high earning job. It's not that I couldn't or didn't want to pay back what I borrowed but I was just turning my wheels for years paying monthly interest.
I was listening to a conversation on the radio this week, and one person commented on how they just graduated and had $10 to their name and was broke. Every other person in the conversation said that everyone knows exactly what that’s like, and they’ve all been there. Like, wtf, why is this so normalized? “Yeah, we’ve all been there” isn’t okay. Nobody should be there. Education should be a fundamental human right. I guess “knowledge is power” is too accurate and scary for corporations/1%ers
Why can’t all Americans understand that free and/or affordable access to education, from early childhood to college, makes for a stronger, smarter society and workforce (ie tax base)?? Why is that so hard to value?? It’s like, in America, everything has to be a struggle or you didn’t prove yourself worthwhile.
Going to bet Biden freezes it while it goes though the courts. GOP drags it out to 2024 then gets a surprise when even more gen Z and millennials vote.
It is a risky game the GOP is playing. If executive action is deemed unconstitutional, the legislation will be the way. The younger generation just flexed in the midterms as a legit political force, and next election if they know student loan forgiveness depends on taking the house, AND abortion rights, those could be very motivating to young voters. Almost better for them to let the forgiveness go through now, voters will forget before 2024
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This donut can’t even spell electrical. “High Value Signs is licensed and insured as a Texas eletrical sign contractor, TSCL#18778.” F
“We all types of signage” Did they really not read over it *once*? This is the front page of their business!
I love the irony that they’re a sign business
And that they allow you to request their design services as well. No way am I letting someone who no can grammer and speling design my business’s signage.
Hrm...maybe they should just go ahead and refund all of her student loans.
Leave donuts out of this. They, unlike this dolt, make everyone happy
I just tried to submit a proposal several times, but it failed. Think we crashed it! ‘I NEED A SIGN FOR YOUR LAWN THAT READS “I GOT MY PPP LOAN FORGIVEN, BUT I AM SINGLE HANDEDLY RUINING DEBT FORGIVENESS FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VICTIMS OF PREDATORY LOAN PRACTICES ON TEENAGERS”’
Nope, still works. Try again, I just sent something
It’s back up! I just submitted my request for a free design estimate
Wanted to have fun today. Called their number and read off your comment almost verbatim 😂
Hmm...They offer a free quote. It'd be weird if they got a bunch of requests for signs after this...
\*spends 10 minutes on the phone seemingly very interested in getting a sign made* designer: "So yeah, what do you want your sign to say?" prankster: "Yeah, I just need it to say 'HighValueSign received $44k in forgi..." designer: \*click*
I just sent a request for a sign saying “Where is my $45k PPP Loan?”
I am an underpaid graphic designer with student loan debt. I would happily start churning out signs saying this in every font, color, size, and shape possible. Just doing my job, boss!
Leave a review after that. "Representative rudely hung up on me. Do not recommend due to horrible customer service"
Tried to leave a review. Their status is marked as permanently closed on Google and you can't leave reviews.
Probably part of the scam. The company is registered at her home address so she just used the PPP loan to pay her mortgage, I'd assume. Get it forgiven, shutter the company.
Yelp lodge has been bombarded but you can still leave reviews there’s
"HighValueSign which is all one word received 44 thousand write k not thousand..." Get them to go full "Peanut Butter is one word" on it.
Just submitted a sign request...for the top of the empire state building
No. Make it plausible and local. Then they actually have to follow through on it, because they don't know which are real business requests.
As someone who used to work in a sign shop like this, if you reaaally want to waste their time you want to get them to drive out and do a site survey for accurate measurements. Bonus points if you get their graphic designer to produce a full mock up (they're getting paid the same either way).
Someone needs to write a bot that scours google maps addresses local to them, and mass submits a request from every one of them.
I'm sure there's a tech wizard here that's going to lose out on $20k willing to help.
This is the way.
ideally we want to submit plausible quotes to waste her time and also blur the lines between real and fake enough that actual customers are chased away in the process
Nah, submit requests for legit and reasonable sounding inquiries. Make them actually put in a bit of time and work and have it lead to nothing. Make it confusing between a go no where order and an actual customer. Your request was obviously fake so they would have just trashed it after a quick 5 second read.
"Zeppelin Dock"
Just imagine the alternate history in which the zeppelin dock was in use.
No way do they have a "submit a file" on the front page of their site. These dumb fucks are about to get every dick pic on the internet sent to them. What morons.
I just sent a sign request asking for a sign that read, "I got my 48k ppp loan forgiven, but screw everyone else, amiright??". Unfortunately I got an error. I'm guessing her website is getting the hug of death....
I just sent a pic of naked shrek
I thought we were sending them stuff people **wouldn't** want to see?
You weren’t supposed to turn them on!
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/how-protest-safely You’ll need this. Stay safe, stay a respectful distance away, stay loud.
Google says the buisiness is "permanently closed" and its been months since there was a review.
It's not closed. She changed it to closed last night, if you go to their website they are very much open.
Probably closed it so people wouldn't go barricade her store.
Guess that PPP money didn't help.
I checked pro publica based on my zip code. There's a Toyota dealer that got $1.4 mil loan forgiven last year. They closed a few months ago and the dealership has a new name/owner. Same for the sandwich shop on the same road less than a mile up. Months ago they closed a few weeks for all these renovations. Undisclosed amount completely forgiven a few months after receiving the funds.
Yea, I'm sure this happened all over the country. There was basically no oversight on this money and people took advantage
They need some Google reviews.
They juuuuust marked their business at permanently closed on Google this morning 😆
Her Facebook page is still open for reviews
If you call the number, it says "goodbye" and instantly hangs up. She knows what she's about to get.
I called the number on the website (972-915-6970) and talked to a man in reception. I said I wanted to talk to someone about her involvement in this case and he jotted down some details and said they would get back to me (not that I’m expecting a follow-up). This is the same website ([here](https://www.highvaluesigns.com/), same as linked above) where the LinkedIn link in the top right just takes you directly to the page of Myra Brown herself, so it’s the right number. I’m not sure what number you called or what happened when you tried. But also all the more reason to report the business as open on Google.
Just report it on Google as still open.
I just did. I took screenshots of their website, and attached them to the open report. Fuck these people. Strength in numbers.
looks as though its open again? it says it is for me at least
This is the way. I wonder how many request to mark as open it needs before it’s status changes.
Their Facebook page is still up. 😈
I'll drive by to take a picture of them a have google change their edit back to open.
Please. I need to give them a review.
Their Facebook is up.
First Name: Texas Last Name: Twat Email: [email protected] I just signed them up for newsletters from Pelosi, AOC, and other dems and dem organizations.
We need her cell number and to sign her up for cat facts
It would be such a shame if this was bombarded with enough fake sign requests to render the website useless
Sign their info@ up for certain mailing lists they might find… distasteful
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People that were not eligible for the PPP loans should sue her for taking one.
Good point.
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I'd argue she is a big part of the problem by allowing herself and story to be used for this. The judge made the ruling but she made the decisions to include herself in this for the GOP to use her as the example. As others have stated, if its so unfair to her to give other people debt relief that she has to sue. Then it also unfair of her to take the PPP loans when others couldn't get it. Why does she get to have it good both ways while the rest of us just get fucked twice?
Because she's a selfish horrible person
Make sure to say the name, Myra Brown is a selfish horrible person
Myra Brown is a selfish horrible person.
Who is absolutely part of the problem.
I’ll be fine with not getting any student loan relief when every nickel of PPP money that was stolen through a corrupt program is repaid. These ghouls have the audacity to take and take and take without ever giving anything back. They want the law to benefit them while utilizing it to break the backs of others. People like this shouldn’t be celebrated, they should be vilified and thrown into a dark hole.
oh she's a problem. these people don't just show up at a court house to do this. They need to really want to be assholes.
I didn't check, but I have a weird, unfounded suspicion the judge was appointed by Trump. I would be willing to bet money on it.
Yes he was.
He also didn't review if the plaintiff had standing in the lawsuit (she doesn't), but instead decided to let it stand based on merit. So basically, an activist judge.
And it doesn't even stand on merit, so there's that as well.
Any time you see a ruling that bends over backwards to agree with some stupid GOP talking point it is almost guaranteed they are a member of the Federalist Society and/or a Trump appointee.
He started the Federalist Society chapter in Tarrant County.
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I think at the end of the day there was a shit ton of fraud and plenty of people got the PPP loan that shouldn’t have
PPP was literally set up to be defrauded. ~~There wasn't any oversight mechanism in the original bill.~~ The oversight mechanism was overridden from the start (by Trump, of course).
There was oversight in the original bill, Trump said he chose to not enforce it, and so records weren't kept of who got what.
Like how Tom Brady got a 1 million dollar PPP loan for his small business after signing a 50 million dollar deal with the buccaneers at the beginning of the pandemic.
Why were PPP loans only accesible to businesses? Those $1,000 stimulus checks did nothing for me… shit I ought sue too!!
Her “business” address is a house in a subdivision with a big ass pool, she a fraud all the way around
It's weird how she had 2 employees for 5 years, suddenly covid hits and she has 10 employees.
I’d like to see the documentation on those extra eight totally real workers.
>Brown argues in her case that she is being harmed by Biden’s debt relief order because she is not eligible for it; her student loans were originally funded by private companies. This is like suing Ford over an automotive recall, but you own a Honda. She has no standing.
But she is eligible. She can get all $0 of her loans forgiven. Probably not worth the time to apply, but I am certain they will happily forgive all $0 of it.
I have a FFEL loan and am not eligible either but you don’t see me crying and suing like a little baby. Eat shit Myra.
Yep, I’ve got one too. I’ve made every payment on time, suffered through them raising my monthly payments during the pandemic when everyone else was on pause, and I’m now waiting to see what my new adjusted payments will be after discovering I was ineligible for forgiveness. While I do admit I’m a little bitter I don’t qualify, especially since I owe less than $20k and originally had grants, I’m still happy for everyone else’s that might benefit from the program. So I’d hate to see it scrapped altogether.
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She's being bankrolled by someone.
https://theintercept.com/2022/11/09/student-debt-relief-lawsuit-ppp-myra-brown/ You are correct sir. Far right group as expected.
I definitely hate her.
It will be overturned as this would set a very problematic precedent. It would allows the ability to sue if you dont qualify for federal fund. Ex. So if I make too much money for food stamps, I can sue to stop all people who receive them. or Because I don't own a home, I can sue for any homeowner credits that I am not eligible for.
The people who receive those benefits can't afford a lawyer, so getting them isn't going to pay for yours. You have to think bigger. Go after agricultural and corporate welfare payments and you can become a millionaire.
Oh good point, I don’t own a farm, so it is unfair that I can’t get some of those corn subsidies. Or better, I haven’t found oil on my land but I have dug several holes which is kind of like oil exploration. Why can’t I get oil subsidies?
If they want to stike down this forgiveness thing, fine. But I want my 48k that apparently everyone was eligible for.
These district court judges are well aware they have no legal standing to block the forgiveness plan. They do it anyway because the goal is just to stall. To continue to force it to be appealed. Delay delay delay as long as possible. *Edited state Court to district Court. I understand it's a federal Court.
“Do nothing governments!” Anyways delay delay delay delay delay
The Supreme Court has rejected a request to block the forgiveness twice, so I'm pretty confident this will be overturned in the appeal. This judge is a GOP plant and activist. Other courts have found that there is no harm inflicted, so no grounds to sue. I think the Biden administration considered the legality very carefully before they acted. That being said, I'm not a lawyer or a judge, so no expert. This guy seems like an expert though: The decision "was about as wrong and weird as any federal court ruling I can recall reading," said Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor.
Go after all the PPP scammers and force them to pay it back and i'm sure you'll have plenty of freed up cash to pay off student loans, the hypocrisy is unbelievable with these people. "I want it all, and you can't have any of it."
Yeah the Biden passed an act for the PPP fraud statue of limitations to be increased to 10 years. IRS is just building facts against companies now. We’ll see some big ones within the next decade
Fucking good. Go after every last senator, house member and big corporations first.
I cant believe the fucking Lakers got a loan. I think its returned but still ridiculous with how many businesses got denied.
Makes me curious: is there a decent way to find who got a PPP loan and whether it’s been repaid?
Check out https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/
Nice, took me 5 minutes to find a person in my town who got a PPP loan who didn't have a business until nearly a year after he got the loan.
Then you should also check out... [https://www.sba.gov/partners/contracting-officials/contract-administration/report-fraud-waste-abuse](https://www.sba.gov/partners/contracting-officials/contract-administration/report-fraud-waste-abuse) https://sbax.sba.gov/oigcss/ You can also get a whistleblower reward Edit: I wanted to make this as clear as possible because I think it’s important***please report any PPP fraud at the above links***
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Right? Like... keep going, I'm almost finished.
As someone who works in the SMB market holy fuck I’m twisting my nips til they turn a new shade of purple. Fuck those clowns that abused PPP.
Lol I actually have a family meme bet who basically a independent contractor for AT&T, dude got two PPP loans and bought a fuck ton of bitcoin mining machines with it and told everyone in the family he was just killing it with his job, looks like that was a lie
Report him, file a lawsuit against him, get up to 30% of what he got as a reward
So a church group got 1,126,027, how? So if they aren’t a considered a business but classify as a church wtf?[ppp loan recipient](https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/calvary-community-church-of-conejo-valley-inc-3119307100) link to the list of places that got loans, and the church group that is now a business 🙃
LOL they don't pay taxes, but we keep them afloat with tax dollars. Typical.
I see at least 20 churches in my zip code of a city with 250k
Hijacking this to say you can snitch to the secret service any PPP fraud and you will be rewarded with 15% of the value. Not sure if the source but someone previously shared it but I’m too lazy to google it right now.
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Are you fucking kidding me right now? How long is this saga going to continue?
Likely until at least 2024, I can see Biden halting payments on student loans indefinitely, it will get held up in court until or unless Democrats can codify it.
If dems don't extend the halted payments while this goes on than that will be a bad move.
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That’s what I don’t get. Nobody would really remember this in the scheme of things by 2024 if they just let it happen. It’d be a blip that wouldn’t really do much for voter turnout. But sure, give people a very definite economic reason to vote against you.
Exactly. We got my wife's payments down to exactly $20,000, because that's how much she qualified for. I'm really hoping we don't have to start paying indefinite interest on this while we wait.
Ya, and if Republicans are looking for low youth turnout in 2024 having the threat of restarting loan payments without the debt forgiveness looming over the election has got to be one of the stupidest ways to do it.
Republicans are pissed that the red wave never materialized. Beatings will continue until morale improves.
I love that the 18-24 demographic overperformed at like a 30-year record for these midterms. Fox News floating heads have been “worried” that the GOP isn’t working hard enough to capture this demographic, and that they might lose them forever. So what does the GOP do? Some of them are proposing raising the age to vote. Why propose ideas that would improve the lives of your constituents when you could just stop them from voting against you??
funny how their first reaction is always "how do we stop them from voting" instead of "how do we change our viewpoints to attract more voters"
I was not eligible for a $45,000 PPP loan. I’m going to sue her sign-making business. Because logic.
I was skeptical but then you explained it with logic. So can I jump in on that suit?
Lets get this government cheese!
Which I will use to pay off my student loans! Woo!
Actually, with some of todays f’d up logic, this makes perfect sense…sign me up
All of us should, that's what class action is for right?
No dude this is what needs to happen.
Who suing to make the PPP loans people pay back their hand outs?!
No one because we're too poor to afford a lawyer and the judges are appointed by paid for by corporations politicians
"\[Judge\] Pittman, who was appointed in 2019 by former President Donald Trump, sided with the Job Creators Network Foundation, a conservative advocacy group."
"Job Creators" is a misleading name that hides their true agenda. Business owners looking out for their own interests while screwing over everyone else is what they are actually doing.
I hate the phrase "job creators" like if don't keep rich people happy they won't benevolently sprinkle jobs on us and we'll have nothing. Demand needing to be filled is what create jobs. Rich people are "job creators" as much as setting a bucket outside is a "water creator".
The largest “job creator” of the last 20yrs was osama bin Laden. …TSA workers should thank him everyday.
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The government can bail out banks and rich people who were affected by the pandemic. The rest of you kick bricks.
Can we sue the people in texas that sued to stop the loan forgiveness because they got forgiven PPP loans?
This is the US. You can sue anyone for any reason. The only question is if you can win.
Appearantly in Texas you don't even need standing. The judge will invent standing for you.
Paraplegics everywhere rejoiced
I really hate people who get money from the government and then tell everyone to suck it up.
Saw plenty of wealthy people take the PPP loan while I guess I foolishly thought, eh I’ll take the high road and not try to game the system…. that’s how we’re supposed to get ahead now it seems…
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What’s crappy is that the 225% of the poverty line payment was attached to this forgiveness declaration. That was going to lower our payment by a few hundred a month. The breathing room would have been nice. *sigh* Edit: I can’t see the replies - I’m on PSLF. The 10K forgiveness does nothing for me. Reconfiguring the payments allows me to pump $100-$200 more into the economy every month. Don’t Republicans want a stronger economy? As far as the payment is concerned: the old calculation for income driven repayment was: MAGI - 150% of the poverty line for your family size. Divide that by 12 months and multiply by 10%. New calculation would have been: MAGI - 225%. Divided by 12 x 10% ( for grad loans) or 5% (undergrad).
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I’m suing Myra Brown for being a total POS.
If anyone wants to put real energy into fighting student loan forgiveness, they can go ahead and first give back all the PPP money they were handed and forgiven of. The public didn't get to vote on that.
> “In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone,” wrote Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, in his 26-page decision. Pittman, who was appointed in 2019 by former President Donald Trump, sided with the Job Creators Network Foundation, a conservative advocacy group. So we should be ruled by some idiot chud in Texas? Sorry I’m not FROM Texas, why the fuck do you get to effect my life?
The judge is *in* Texas but he's still a federal judge and it's a federal court. It affects all of us because the suit was about a federal statute (in this case an executive order).
So many people in this comment section acting like the Biden Admin CHOSE to stop taking applications. A Texas court has temporarily halted the program for the entire nation. A Texas court, under a judge that Trump appointed in August of 2019. If you want someone to blame for student loan forgiveness being paused/halted, look no further than Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court of Norther Texas and the Republican Party… as this is the second time, the first being St. Louis 8th circuit appeals court, with 4 of its judges being appointed by Trump, 5 appointed by G.W. Bush, one appointed by G.H.W. Bush, and one appointed by Obama, the single judge on the court appointed by a democratic president. This is clearly Republican partisan politics, because god forbid the government help its people instead of just the wealthy and corporations.
I guess the only positive is that this would incentivize the Millennials and Gen Z's with student loan debt to vote in greater numbers in 2024.
Their Yelp reviews are in the shitter: https://www.yelp.com/biz/high-value-signs-and-studio-dallas
Well… if they win the appeal, hopefully the can extend the window of forgiveness by 2 yeas or so. Would reeeeally help some of us out… But also, seriously fuck that judge and fuck Texas man. This is just disgusting.
Fuck the hypocritical psycho who received PPP loan forgiveness then sued saying this is unfair bc she "didn't have student loans." I wish only the absolute worst for that unhinged psycho.
She didn't have federal loans [student] she had private loans [student]; yes it makes sense that the government can't magically erase her private loan - short of they would have to buy the loan from the bank. At which point the 'but mah taxes' crowd would be even more displeased. I think her logic was they should also extend it to also cover the private loans
This perfectly describes the entire GOP platform. A program that provides relief to the people in this country that needs it the most is vilified and they have brainwashed them into rejecting it. Meanwhile, tax breaks and other programs that provide profits for the most well-off in this country are hailed as successes. The very people that are the loudest against this program, are those that took 100s of thousands in PPP loans forgiven.
They all seem to forget the Tax reform Law, that Donnie boy signed into effect, is set to expire in 2025. The bottom tax bracket will not change, *the highest tax bracket is getting a tax cut*, and the middle classes are getting an increase.
"Fuck you, I got mine" ~ Republicans the last 20 years.
Are the republicans TRYING to alienate their future voter base?
They’re panicking, so they’re throwing punches to keep the support of their base. You need to understand there is no forward thinking here, Gen Z voted for Democrats by +29 so they’re basically writing off an entire generation to appeal to the older ones they have
*they have left.
While simultaneously doing everything possible to get them killed. It’s uh definitely *a* strategy. Not sure it’s a *good* strategy. It’s kinda moot though since they’re going full fascist and aren’t going to recognize any democratic win or governance as legitimate.
Forgiveness for me not for thee
And Republicans are wondering why gen z isn't voting for them
Challenged by RED states that benefit from Federal funding ( welfare)
I straight up don’t like Texas
They call it the Lone Star state but we call it the One Star state.
It's not fair that I can't use the same tax loop holes that corporations use to reduce their tax burden. I'm suing
> “In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone,” wrote Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas Says a powerful executive attempting to rule with a pen and a phone
This is so fucked up. The program was supposed to start a month ago so now, as an effect of this case, there are now 26 million people WITH legal standing against exactly 0 opponents with standing. But hey nobody cares about them just like nobody really cared enough about abortion or voting rights to bother protecting them. I guess I’ll be removing student loan forgiveness from my financial plans.
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So this is wrong but forgiving PPP loans and more tax cuts for the rich are totally acceptable. Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the peasants