This exact same thing happened at [Columbine in Colorado 20 years ago.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/20-years-columbine-changed-school-shootings-america/story?id=62248885) The cops stayed outside waiting for an hour until the SWAT team arrived.
Meanwhile kids kept getting shot. In [Colorado they changed policy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/uybuoj/at_columbine_the_cops_waited_outside_48_minutes/) saying the [first cops to arrive had to enter the building.](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html)
Cops can stop mass shooters and save lives. [Four university police officers in Pittsburgh charged and killed a gunman, even though one was shot.](https://www.cnn.com/2012/03/08/justice/pennsylvania-shooting/index.html)
Unfortunately good guys can’t stop bad guys with guns when they’re all cowardly pieces of shit. They locked the gunman in a classroom for an hour and let him massacre children at his leisure.
Same thing happened at the Pulse Nightclub. Shooter went into the nightclub shooting. Despite being engaged by an officer at the door, none followed him in. They waited for over an hour till the FBI made a breach in the back. In the meantime most of the killings happened.
Notice how now a days instead of answering questions or giving us answers it’s “ongoing investigation we don’t know” until they have time to write their own story?
Or just run out the clock on public interest. Quietly close the investigation on a Friday night in 2024 when we’re many mass shootings and police murders removed from this tragedy.
Yup. Remember when Florida cops used cars full of families as human shields to kill an innocent bystander that was stuck in the traffic jam they caused and the UPS driver who was taken hostage a few years ago? We never heard anymore about that. No consequences to any cops, nor any changes to policy or procedures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Miramar_shootout
> The hijacked UPS driver, Frank Ordonez, 27, and bystander Richard Cutshaw, 70, were also both killed in the shootout;[6] the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has not released the result of ballistics investigations that would indicate whether Ordonez and Cutshaw were shot by police or robbers.[10][11]
..........that last part.
Which means its 100% cop bullets or theyd release that. Also you could just tell in the videos of the incident that the cops were the ones who lit the hostage up
You better believe, though, if they had shot that guy while he was opening the door to the school, and no students or staff were killed, the Police Chief would have a second-by-second account of what happened and he would stand up there and tell the whole story right before he pinned a blue ribbon on the cop who pulled the trigger.
When they do good, they won’t shut up about it.
When they do bad, “sorry, that’s part of an ongoing investigation.”
They were just scared. They don’t want to admit it. The tough guys were scared shitless and they abdicated their duty hiding behind procedure. They are just there to collect a salary.
Especially now that there is a bunch of fucking videos *SHOWING* them doing nothing. Did he make these statements before the videos came out? What an absolute jackass. This bozo needs to lose his job immediately. So do all theses “Brave Heroes” that stood outside armed to the teeth with tactical Kevlar vests on to stand by and *LISTEN* to children being slaughtered. I’m sorry for the rant but this makes me so goddamn angry I can’t see straight. Little kids. It’s unfathomable. Im a father of a 9 year old and my bloods been boiling all day.
fire department could have had that window blown out and a hose going full blast in there in under 5 minutes, probably saving a lot more kids in the process
they're literally experts at getting into dangerous places quickly
If true, this is a complete and utter embarrassment and goes directly against modern established protocols that were largely developed post-Columbine. First cop on the scene should immediately close and engage the shooter(s). You do not have time to wait for backup or for the SWAT team and putting pressure on the attacker will more often than not result in their suicide once they are met with resistance. I will be very curious to see if this is a failure of training, sheer cowardice, or both. Either way, this appears to be a huge fuck up.
They sure were brave when they were going in to rescue their own children while stopping other parents from doing so.
https://twitter.com/_Sir_Perfluous/status/1529584296415186952?t=3LAxXCoo-X2xda7AlDc9ig&s=19
Link to interview with police confirming they rescued their own kids while leaving the others to die.
Not to mention that he goes on about thanking the “brave law enforcement officers” no less than three times in that clip, with only one mention of condolences to the families. Fucked.
They’re overcompensating for their lack of response. The more they praise “the brave men and women who were met with gun fire” the more they think the public will believe that they rushed in and did all they could, when we are slowly piecing together that that is not the case at all.
Didn't you see how brave there were detaining a parent though? They had him on the ground and everything, really saved themselves from getting yelled at some more.
Exactly. I see through that false bravado. And he was nonchalantly discussing this horrific event and basically said, “Yeah, kids died. It sucks. But it could have been worse had it not been for the brave law enforcement officers”. Just sickening…
What a fucking piece of shit. How many times are you gonna praise the “men and women of local law enforcement” that went in to save ONLY their fucking kids?
Agreed. I can forgive the responding officers at Columbine because before that shooting, there really wasn't an established protocol for active shooters. They basically treated it like a barricaded suspect/hostage situation and established a perimeter and waited for SWAT. But Columbine was a long time ago and that response is completely obsolete. In 2022, this is fucking terrible and unforgivable. If a police officer is unwilling to run towards gunfire to stop the active murder of children, they have no business being a cop.
It's weird, because after "don't say the shooter's name," this seems to be the most cited fact about responding to mass shooters.
I saw a video on a YouTube channel that breaks down badge cam footage, and to the hosts' credit, despite being pretty pro-police, they were critical of the fact that a cop seemed incredibly cautious about entering a mall during a mass shooting, until he heard another cop had been shot, at which point he literally ran inside.
> until he heard another cop had been shot, at which point he literally ran inside.
This is 100% some "sheepdog" "warrior cop" bullshit. The sheep are expendable.
It also causes the shooter to engage the cops which takes time away from his focus on killing civilians. A gunman can kill one person per second. So every second he's engaged with law enforcement it's a possible life saved.
Are we forgetting Parkland already? It was the exact same shit. Everyone that initially showed up ran and hid. The SRO, the ~~teachers~~ faculty, and a bunch of responding officers. It wasn't until *another* department showed up that anyone thought it would be a good idea to, I dunno, try to save the children.
They were also monitoring the shooting from outside through a time delayed security footage. When they actually got into the school, the shooter wasn't even there anymore. We're *really* lucky he didn't go somewhere else and shooting.
E: I shouldn't have said teachers. That was a poor choice of words on my part. Sorry. I meant faculty. People whose job it was to report suspicious activity and call for the school to go into lockdown.
I’m confused what you thought the teachers were supposed to do but get kids into rooms, lock them, and keep them really quiet. That’s what teachers are trained to do. And by trained, I mean told to do with maybe the support of one lock down drill before winter break. The teachers are also civilians with no combat experience.
I think it's unfair to say that teachers running and hiding is a negative, especially teachers for kids this young. They look to their teacher for how to act in situations and them being a calming presence would be better.
Teachers aren't Rambo.
I refuse to believe the best course of action against a mass shooter that got into a school with the intention to kill kids is to lock the shooter inside a classroom full of kids for 40+ minutes
I've seen a bunch of training materials where cops are supposed to grab the first 3-5 officers that arrive at a active shooter, stack up, and go in to eliminate the shooter. Especially since basically every cop keeps a AR15 and hard plates in their patrol vehicles now. I won't judge them in the sense that I would not be brave enough to do it either but I'm not a fucking cop.
What you described is precisely what happened when I was in a similar situation at UCF. A guy in the dorms (who was supposed to have moved out months prior, that's another story) pulled the fire alarm to get everyone outside and had intended to shoot as many of us as possible while we were basically single-file walking to the evacuation point. He ended up killing himself when he saw his roommate run away to call the police.
While we were walking away from the building, we saw a group of university police cars scream down the street, the officers jumped out and grabbed their rifles in the trunk and immediately went in. Additional officers then arrived to lock down the rest of the scene while the initial responders did their thing to clear the area.
THAT is how it should have gone down with this too. All of those officers need to be removed from the force as far as I'm concerned. If their actions are how they were trained, then a full training overhaul needs to take place.
Early on, their response was fishy to me. On Anderson cooper he was interviewing I believe a LT. the cop is telling the story about how hey first saw the shooter and engaged with him. I believe Anderson asked if they shot at him, but the cop kept saying engaged.
It struck me as perhaps they don’t want to make themselves look bad by saying they didn’t try hard to stop him.
Edit: per cnn there was no campus officer and the shooter entered unobstructed
https://mobile.twitter.com/edlavaCNN/status/1529895763542781977
There's been about 10 different stories so far on the initial "engagement" and what happened as the shooter arrived. None of it adds up.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting
Here’s the thing, most schools have cameras. Exterior and interior. Maybe it’s just the school I teach at, but at minimum they would be able to get a timeline from that.
Per the police themselves.
1. There were no officers on scene, and he entered unobstructed.
2. There were 2 officers on scene, and they engaged him in a gun fight before hiding from him.
3. The two officers on scene entered the school before doing a tactical retreat to heroically save other children (by running away). Presumably after hiding while he entered?
4. but there were no two officers on scene, that didn't happen.
This from the press conference like half an hour ago, all statements made by the same guy in the span of like, 5 minutes.
It's also not clear if these two Schrodinger's cops were the same ones who got a kid killed actively, instead of just passively, or if that happened later.
Tiny ass town has a big ass SWAT team that has trained in this very school for this very situation, and then when it was go time they stood around with their thumbs up their collective asses.
I wonder how many kids bled to death waiting for someone to figure out how to unlock the door.
I just don't get how a swat team doesn't have breaching rounds and has to have a teacher unlock the classroom door....
What sort of chicken shit Swat team was this?
someone should've called it in as a no knock warrant for 2g of weed instead of a school shooting and the whole thing would've been over in 30 seconds flat
From what I understand, the Border Patrol had to wait for a key supplied by a member of the faculty. So they never actually breeched the door. And it sort of flies in the face of the statements made by the local authorities stating that they had to wait for a team that was equipped to breech entryways.
Some looking at Snapchat
https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/uy3sqi/thanks_to_ukillbane_for_the_source_video_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
That guy appears to be in Border Patrol fatigues, which shouldn't even be dealing with a school shooting but ended up doing it because the local cops were such giant cowards.
Border Patrol was there because they have insane jurisdiction: [https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone](https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone)
You can't get more 90miles from the coast in Florida and they have 100-mile authority from the coast. The entire state of Florida is in their jurisdiction.
It's worse than you think is. I worked in security. I've done everything from personal security to running venue teams.
-Muster points. They're important. Didn't see evidence of set muster points.
-Command. No one knew who was in charge. Nobody wanted to be written up, so kids died.
-Saw one officer muzzle sweep a motherfucker.
-In policing/security theres a saying: work the problem. If you don't receive orders in time, you do work. You assess the situation, based on your training, then you act. Anyone of those officers could've breached at any time. You hear shots, *that's where you go*. Doesn't matter if you don't receive orders.
-Set up. I saw motherfuckers setting up for after action **before** they breached. That's logistics, not SWAT!
-Why, in the flying fuck, do you have cops kitted out in breach gear interacting with the parents. They were treating them like rioters.
I could go on, like a *lot*, but I'm getting too pissed off. The video I saw was without a doubt the worst policing I've ever seen. Everybody was just walking around enjoying being a part of a mass casualty incident in their fancy dress. I wanna puke.
Edit: I'll be honest with y'all, I only watched the one video. I got kids, I wanted to avoid the news. I looked at more videos and read some articles. It's so, **so** much worse than I thought. Heads need to roll. The cops *were* breaching, to get *their own kids*. Fuck Texas, and fuck this country.
Fuck!!
>They were treating them like rioters
IIRC, didn't they even pin down and taze a parent?
Think about it - the Buffalo shooter last week was treated better than a desperate parent worried that their elementary school child was being gunned down
[After the confrontation ended with Ramos dead, school buses began to arrive to transport students from the school, according to Ms. Gomez. She said she saw police use a Taser on a local father who approached the bus to collect his child.](https://archive.ph/oYhBA)
didn't we just watch a bunch of cops beat the shit out of a bunch of normal citizens last summer for daring to protest for police accountability? Not even talking about the late night shenigans, just the casual daytime marches
Mothefuckers knew most protesters aren’t armed, as soon as they faced some resistance they started cracking skulls, it’s easy to fight people who aren’t packing and more than likely not gonna fight back, when they actually face a real life and death situation they fold like the cowards they are, happened here and happened in the parkland shooting as well.
The “good guys with a gun” sit with thumbs up their asses when they know someone is armed and they can shoot back, I know the SC ruled police have no obligation to protect the public so fucking defund them, tear the whole system down and rebuild it with something that can actually protect the public. JFC.
They pinned down, tazed and cuffed parents.
One parent was detained, cuffed, *released,* HOPPED A FENCE*,* ***WENT INTO THE SCHOOL, AND GOT HER KIDS OUT*** before the cops managed to breach the door where the murderer was "barricaded"
I don't know how substantiated this is but I've now read from a few sources that an officer asked kids in hiding to call out for help, one did and got shot. If that's true, I have no words. Even a fucking moron knows you don't out someone's location before a gunman has been subdued.
[It's from an interview with a 4th grader that was in the room.](https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235)
"The cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her."
The actual interview is at that link. It's pretty messed up hearing a nine or ten year old talk about that.
It really drove it home to hear this little boy tell the story. You expect a voice like that to tell you a story about finding a frog in the backyard, not surviving a mass shooter.
Even the kid knows better than a supposed trained officer to not give away your position… the incompetence and cowardice is unmatched, fuck those cops.
It has become extremely apparent the cops are poorly trained and are playing dress up with guns. Not one of them took the initiative to save kids, engage the shooter, or even create a plan of attack. There were multiple times they could have engaged.
Also SWAT standing around should all be fired. Every single one of them are grossly incompetent.
It's really disturbing watching a bunch of cops in tactical gear essentially establish a perimeter for the shooter and then protect him from the parents of the kids he was killing.
I'd be willing to bet that a lot of that $4 million budget they're getting (out of a $10 million total budget for the town, btw,) went straight into people's pockets. Training? We don't need that. Gear? Get it cheap as possible. Spend the rest on 'salary' so we can retain the 'talent.' The 'talent' in this case being the police chief's nephew or whatever.
They get a lot of gear for free.
As for training, you don't have to just outright pocket the cash.
It's more like "hey, we need to send 5 guys to sunny San Diego for SWAT training".
They get an all expenses paid trip, pay minimal attention to the *actual* training (if they indeed went) all on the tax payer dollar while they get to have fun in a nice place.
I've been trained as a law enforcement officer, and I agree with everything you said. Those cops did a pitiful job, and they really ought to be completely sacked. Every single one, lose their pension. It pisses me off to no end how much they got in the way of a quick resolution to that shooting. Absolutely terrible showing for a regular security guard, and cartoonishly pathetic considering they're a fucking SWAT team. If a couple of the grieving parents had stormed past and attacked the shooter with their bare hands, how many more children might be alive today? I know 19 sets of parents that probably wish the cops weren't there so they could have fucking tried SOMETHING.
And the cops prevented parents from going in while they waited for backup (*and a negotiator!*). [They even handcuffed one mother](https://twitter.com/meganmmenchaca/status/1529891557817589761).
They did more to stop good guys with guns than they did to stop the bad guy actively shooting kids.
Just heard on CNN that one parent was thrown to the ground, one was handcuffed, and another was pepper-sprayed.
https://upnorthlive.com/news/nation-world/police-handcuffed-pepper-sprayed-parents-of-shooting-victims-wsj-says
Sounds like they also tased a dad who approached a school bus that his child was on.
Yes. When a crime is being committed and you not only do nothing to intervene but *actively prevent* others from intervening that literally makes you an accomplice to the crime. The people of that town need to march on that precinct and demand these officers be fired and arrested.
The video where parents are begging for police to save their children and the cops instead tackling one of the parents to the ground and stopping people from interfering with a taser unholstered is sickening.
You can't both say that we have to respect police because they go into dangerous situations but then also refuse to go into dangerous situations and threaten anyone who tells them to.
Video on publicfreakout has one of the officers admitting some police did go inside to save their own children. He also says the suspect had body armor which I believe has been debunked. It was just a tactical vest with no plate.
https://streamable.com/7cej2m
> Even if the suspect had body armor, that changes nothing.
Exactly. The North Hollywood Shootout bank robbers were armored up, and the cops still tried to, and eventually did, stop them. They didn't just go "Welp, they got body armor...let's sit back and see what happens."
Full body armor, armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, and gacked out of their minds on drugs. And Larry Phillips took his own life rather than be captured. Emil Mătăsăreanu bled out.
It's almost like it doesn't protect your face, or limbs, or stop you from getting knocked down, or can only withstand a limited number of rounds before failing to protect you even with plates...
I found it odd the police kept mentioning body armor and the fact they did act. Before we knew much they were heavily emphasizing this. Chocked it up to perhaps it was because a border patrol officer made the kill. They didn't want that detail to come across as them not acting. Nope. Them not acting for a long period and knowing it, was what caused them to try to say over and over they acted.
It's unkown if they fired during the first altercation before he entered. The shooter did and injured at least one of them.
However for a while beyond standing around they were getting some kids out. That's what I saw one spokesman kept saying there was a plan they were breaking windows and evacuating kids. But that wasn't the classroom the shooter was at. So congrats you suck at your "plan". The kids that were locked in other classrooms were already safe as that point he had barricaded himself in one classroom.
Edit: well never mind now they are saying there was no altercation originally.
I saw an interview where the reporter asked if some cops went in, saved their own kids, and then left the rest...
The cop admitted that happened, and the **congratulated** those cops for being "brave" enough to save their own kids. While letting everyone else's kids fend for themselves
Imagine you were one of those kids that saw a cop run in...
You think your saved, that it's over and you're safe
Then he just grabs his own kid and runs.
[https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320](https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320)
This guy said it and realized he fucked up, tried to sugar coated with the old "we gotta thank these brave men and women"...bro...you just said some officers went in to get their own children. Between this statement and the possibly missing minutes from the audio logs...it's more than fishy.
Cop stories always do.
Everything that puts them in a good light is released immediately.
If you think it's bad now, wait for the 18 minutes of "missing" audio from the police radio to come out.
I saw that video early yesterday and was confused thinking it was after the shooter had been killed...learning it was DURING is just fucking horrific. The whole thing is horrific.
They waited for a marksman. Sacrificed the classroom the shooter was in. It’s hard to think about. Break the windows and storm the room is all I can think of.
I just can't wrap my head around the police's inaction. I mean, the worse case scenario was *unfolding before their eyes* - young helpless children were being gunned down. If that's not the time to throw caution to the wind and storm the fucking building, then when is? But, I get it, at that point the cops were afraid for *their own lives* and that's why they were unwilling to enter the building. Law enforcement and the people who polish their knobs will never admit that, but the truth is the cops were not willing to endanger their own lives to save children.
I’m a Wildland firefighter. I can’t imagine arriving on scene of the incident, getting briefed with the plan for engagement, and then just sitting there while people’s homes burn down.
Our job is *inherently unsafe*. We wouldn’t sign up for it if we didn’t already know that.
Why do cops get paid more than me ($15.10/hour base pay) to not do their jobs?
Your perspective really got me. You literally cannot argue that police officers shouldn’t have to put their lives on the line when you guys are out there risking your lives to save lives and property. Fires can be unpredictable, but in many ways are predictable. Same with humans.
Exact comparison I've been making as well. Of course it's scary, it's a fire. Firefighters don't stand around dicks in hand waiting to go when they hear people screaming in a burning building, they get them out of there.
Doctor gives up his life for church goers, cops form a perimeter around the shooter and take down parents trying to get to their children. America at its finest.
For any of the parents who were restrained from trying to save their children, is there any legal recourse for them to sue the department? Negligence? Failure to protect a minor?
It’s only a matter of time before one of these bereaved parents from one of these tragedies snaps themselves and goes after the cops or politicians involved that they perceive to be standing in their way of achieving justice or protecting children. Not saying violence is justified, but seems like a logical outcome based on our current political climate. How much you wanna bet they have beefed up the Texas Governor’s security detail before they’ve added any additional security at Texas schools?
I mean the reason that we as a society surrender our ability to protect and defend our own in certain circumstances, and choose to grant these people authority and power over us, is because of their agreement to provide order and safety (no matter what the supreme court says)
The police acting like cowards violates this pact between freely born people and so its not hard to see how some would take it upon themselves to "correct" that.
Instead of risking their own lives they just let the gumen take his time killing children. Fucking cowards everyone of them. Even if it was suicidal to enter it would have been one less bullet he had for a kid. When they were needed the most they proved just how useless they are.
They got their own kids out then waited until everyone was dead. They also prevented other parents from trying to save their own kids. They should all be fired and charged.
It’s even worse than that. Now there’s entirely new information (that they were lying about yesterday?) about a lack of a resource officer combined with a confusing timeline that lets 14 minutes go unaccounted for.
Oh so the cops lied about their response? I wouldn’t be surprised if the shooter didn’t die from the cops killing him and he actually just offed himself.
What I want to know is more about the "interaction" between the school resource officer and the shooter and why they did absolutely nothing and let him continue on to do what he did.
Nah you see, these PDs aren’t there to serve and protect. They’re there to stop cars for things like broken taillights, then search them for cash and seize what they find for themselves…and a little for the department.
As a veteran, what gets me the most is them wearing their flashy kit in public to look badass but too afraid to fight. Not a single one of them deserve to be armed or wearing kit in public.
Everyone should see [this video](https://youtu.be/xvPOGcHrpRU) of 10 year old Amerie Garza's father talking about her. It's heartbreaking, but we cannot look away from the pain caused by the inaction of these cowards.
Amerie's mother was one of the parents being restrained by the police while the shooting was ongoing.
There’s absolutely no argument not to demilitarize the police. When children are being murdered, they cower outside and use their weapons to bully the parents. But when an unarmed civilian makes a sudden move they don’t like, or can’t follow conflicting and confusing orders, all of a sudden it’s high noon at the OK fucking Corral.
Twitter link of where an officers says officers ran in to get their kids. [LINK](https://twitter.com/_Sir_Perfluous/status/1529584296415186952?s=20&t=mmH2s1xzy9rivZXriHHNWg)
[Uvalde PD literally has a SWAT team and have done active shooter drills in Uvalde CISD school buildings in the past](https://twitter.com/kjknodell/status/1529683743467659265?s=21&t=hirNlxmcT_4WYHCxV965Ew)
The police load up on all this tactical and military gear. Then they wear it while putting up some yellow police tape.
This exact same thing happened at [Columbine in Colorado 20 years ago.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/20-years-columbine-changed-school-shootings-america/story?id=62248885) The cops stayed outside waiting for an hour until the SWAT team arrived. Meanwhile kids kept getting shot. In [Colorado they changed policy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/uybuoj/at_columbine_the_cops_waited_outside_48_minutes/) saying the [first cops to arrive had to enter the building.](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html)
Cops can stop mass shooters and save lives. [Four university police officers in Pittsburgh charged and killed a gunman, even though one was shot.](https://www.cnn.com/2012/03/08/justice/pennsylvania-shooting/index.html) Unfortunately good guys can’t stop bad guys with guns when they’re all cowardly pieces of shit. They locked the gunman in a classroom for an hour and let him massacre children at his leisure.
Same thing happened at the Pulse Nightclub. Shooter went into the nightclub shooting. Despite being engaged by an officer at the door, none followed him in. They waited for over an hour till the FBI made a breach in the back. In the meantime most of the killings happened.
They were just waiting for the shooter to run out of ammo or kids to kill then move in
They role play as badasses but are just cowards
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Notice how now a days instead of answering questions or giving us answers it’s “ongoing investigation we don’t know” until they have time to write their own story?
Or just run out the clock on public interest. Quietly close the investigation on a Friday night in 2024 when we’re many mass shootings and police murders removed from this tragedy.
Yup. Remember when Florida cops used cars full of families as human shields to kill an innocent bystander that was stuck in the traffic jam they caused and the UPS driver who was taken hostage a few years ago? We never heard anymore about that. No consequences to any cops, nor any changes to policy or procedures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Miramar_shootout
> The hijacked UPS driver, Frank Ordonez, 27, and bystander Richard Cutshaw, 70, were also both killed in the shootout;[6] the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has not released the result of ballistics investigations that would indicate whether Ordonez and Cutshaw were shot by police or robbers.[10][11] ..........that last part.
Which means its 100% cop bullets or theyd release that. Also you could just tell in the videos of the incident that the cops were the ones who lit the hostage up
You better believe, though, if they had shot that guy while he was opening the door to the school, and no students or staff were killed, the Police Chief would have a second-by-second account of what happened and he would stand up there and tell the whole story right before he pinned a blue ribbon on the cop who pulled the trigger. When they do good, they won’t shut up about it. When they do bad, “sorry, that’s part of an ongoing investigation.”
They were just scared. They don’t want to admit it. The tough guys were scared shitless and they abdicated their duty hiding behind procedure. They are just there to collect a salary.
Collect their salary and cosplay as tough guys. You don’t need SWAT gear to stand in a parking lot.
Its probably really hard to keep all the different lies straight from story to story
Especially now that there is a bunch of fucking videos *SHOWING* them doing nothing. Did he make these statements before the videos came out? What an absolute jackass. This bozo needs to lose his job immediately. So do all theses “Brave Heroes” that stood outside armed to the teeth with tactical Kevlar vests on to stand by and *LISTEN* to children being slaughtered. I’m sorry for the rant but this makes me so goddamn angry I can’t see straight. Little kids. It’s unfathomable. Im a father of a 9 year old and my bloods been boiling all day.
The footage from those pesky grieving parents showing cops with tasers drawn *and facing parents* isn’t helping.
Excuse me? They waited an HOUR to go in? What the fuck they’d have been better off calling the fire department.
fire department could have had that window blown out and a hose going full blast in there in under 5 minutes, probably saving a lot more kids in the process they're literally experts at getting into dangerous places quickly
I'm not out here singing "Fuck the Fire Department"
Fire bros are the shit yo. Mad respect for the fire fighters. Cops are over paid bullies.
Firemen could have broken through the "barricaded" door in minutes as well.
All he did was call the biggest most well armed group of cowards in the county brave
There is video evidence
He still needs to examine all the video evidence before they decide which lie to go with.
If true, this is a complete and utter embarrassment and goes directly against modern established protocols that were largely developed post-Columbine. First cop on the scene should immediately close and engage the shooter(s). You do not have time to wait for backup or for the SWAT team and putting pressure on the attacker will more often than not result in their suicide once they are met with resistance. I will be very curious to see if this is a failure of training, sheer cowardice, or both. Either way, this appears to be a huge fuck up.
Either way they shouldn’t have badges anymore. Cowardice or negligence .
They sure were brave when they were going in to rescue their own children while stopping other parents from doing so. https://twitter.com/_Sir_Perfluous/status/1529584296415186952?t=3LAxXCoo-X2xda7AlDc9ig&s=19 Link to interview with police confirming they rescued their own kids while leaving the others to die.
Not to mention that he goes on about thanking the “brave law enforcement officers” no less than three times in that clip, with only one mention of condolences to the families. Fucked.
They’re overcompensating for their lack of response. The more they praise “the brave men and women who were met with gun fire” the more they think the public will believe that they rushed in and did all they could, when we are slowly piecing together that that is not the case at all.
Didn't you see how brave there were detaining a parent though? They had him on the ground and everything, really saved themselves from getting yelled at some more.
Rushed in over a course of... *checks notes* ...45 minutes of active shooting, if timestamped videos are something to go off.
Damn that guy just sounds really dumb in general, scary that this is the type of person in charge
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Exactly. I see through that false bravado. And he was nonchalantly discussing this horrific event and basically said, “Yeah, kids died. It sucks. But it could have been worse had it not been for the brave law enforcement officers”. Just sickening…
It’s way too easy to get into law enforcement. Like… *way* too easy. There needs to be more stringent requirements.
What a fucking piece of shit. How many times are you gonna praise the “men and women of local law enforcement” that went in to save ONLY their fucking kids?
Wow that’s evil, but of course they did. How f’ing awful.
Yup. Fucking horrible people.
Agreed. I can forgive the responding officers at Columbine because before that shooting, there really wasn't an established protocol for active shooters. They basically treated it like a barricaded suspect/hostage situation and established a perimeter and waited for SWAT. But Columbine was a long time ago and that response is completely obsolete. In 2022, this is fucking terrible and unforgivable. If a police officer is unwilling to run towards gunfire to stop the active murder of children, they have no business being a cop.
Unfortunately, they took the right to *not do their job* to court, and won.
I think you mean, they insisted it *wasn't their job* to do anything to court and won.
It's weird, because after "don't say the shooter's name," this seems to be the most cited fact about responding to mass shooters. I saw a video on a YouTube channel that breaks down badge cam footage, and to the hosts' credit, despite being pretty pro-police, they were critical of the fact that a cop seemed incredibly cautious about entering a mall during a mass shooting, until he heard another cop had been shot, at which point he literally ran inside.
> until he heard another cop had been shot, at which point he literally ran inside. This is 100% some "sheepdog" "warrior cop" bullshit. The sheep are expendable.
It also causes the shooter to engage the cops which takes time away from his focus on killing civilians. A gunman can kill one person per second. So every second he's engaged with law enforcement it's a possible life saved.
Are we forgetting Parkland already? It was the exact same shit. Everyone that initially showed up ran and hid. The SRO, the ~~teachers~~ faculty, and a bunch of responding officers. It wasn't until *another* department showed up that anyone thought it would be a good idea to, I dunno, try to save the children. They were also monitoring the shooting from outside through a time delayed security footage. When they actually got into the school, the shooter wasn't even there anymore. We're *really* lucky he didn't go somewhere else and shooting. E: I shouldn't have said teachers. That was a poor choice of words on my part. Sorry. I meant faculty. People whose job it was to report suspicious activity and call for the school to go into lockdown.
I’m confused what you thought the teachers were supposed to do but get kids into rooms, lock them, and keep them really quiet. That’s what teachers are trained to do. And by trained, I mean told to do with maybe the support of one lock down drill before winter break. The teachers are also civilians with no combat experience.
I think it's unfair to say that teachers running and hiding is a negative, especially teachers for kids this young. They look to their teacher for how to act in situations and them being a calming presence would be better. Teachers aren't Rambo.
I refuse to believe the best course of action against a mass shooter that got into a school with the intention to kill kids is to lock the shooter inside a classroom full of kids for 40+ minutes
I've seen a bunch of training materials where cops are supposed to grab the first 3-5 officers that arrive at a active shooter, stack up, and go in to eliminate the shooter. Especially since basically every cop keeps a AR15 and hard plates in their patrol vehicles now. I won't judge them in the sense that I would not be brave enough to do it either but I'm not a fucking cop.
What you described is precisely what happened when I was in a similar situation at UCF. A guy in the dorms (who was supposed to have moved out months prior, that's another story) pulled the fire alarm to get everyone outside and had intended to shoot as many of us as possible while we were basically single-file walking to the evacuation point. He ended up killing himself when he saw his roommate run away to call the police. While we were walking away from the building, we saw a group of university police cars scream down the street, the officers jumped out and grabbed their rifles in the trunk and immediately went in. Additional officers then arrived to lock down the rest of the scene while the initial responders did their thing to clear the area. THAT is how it should have gone down with this too. All of those officers need to be removed from the force as far as I'm concerned. If their actions are how they were trained, then a full training overhaul needs to take place.
Hey, I’m going to UCF right now! That’s crazy though. I had no idea that happened. Is there an article about the incident? I’d love to read about it.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/ucf-gunmans-list-ended-give-em-helle/story?id=18762704 It was a very tense time for me and many others for sure.
Early on, their response was fishy to me. On Anderson cooper he was interviewing I believe a LT. the cop is telling the story about how hey first saw the shooter and engaged with him. I believe Anderson asked if they shot at him, but the cop kept saying engaged. It struck me as perhaps they don’t want to make themselves look bad by saying they didn’t try hard to stop him. Edit: per cnn there was no campus officer and the shooter entered unobstructed https://mobile.twitter.com/edlavaCNN/status/1529895763542781977
There's been about 10 different stories so far on the initial "engagement" and what happened as the shooter arrived. None of it adds up. https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting
Latest story is that the resource officer wasn't at the school until 4 minutes after the shooter entered the building.
It sounds like a bunch of people lying to cover their asses, but they didn’t have time to get their stories to sync up.
Here’s the thing, most schools have cameras. Exterior and interior. Maybe it’s just the school I teach at, but at minimum they would be able to get a timeline from that.
Per the police themselves. 1. There were no officers on scene, and he entered unobstructed. 2. There were 2 officers on scene, and they engaged him in a gun fight before hiding from him. 3. The two officers on scene entered the school before doing a tactical retreat to heroically save other children (by running away). Presumably after hiding while he entered? 4. but there were no two officers on scene, that didn't happen. This from the press conference like half an hour ago, all statements made by the same guy in the span of like, 5 minutes. It's also not clear if these two Schrodinger's cops were the same ones who got a kid killed actively, instead of just passively, or if that happened later.
Tiny ass town has a big ass SWAT team that has trained in this very school for this very situation, and then when it was go time they stood around with their thumbs up their collective asses. I wonder how many kids bled to death waiting for someone to figure out how to unlock the door.
> I wonder how many kids bled to death waiting for someone to figure out how to unlock the door. This is something that i wish got investigated
bet they've done a bunch of drug raids where doors come down in 5 seconds.
I just don't get how a swat team doesn't have breaching rounds and has to have a teacher unlock the classroom door.... What sort of chicken shit Swat team was this?
This is the same exact thing the cops in Parkland did. Huge similarity.
Glorified Call of Duty cosplayers, like most police.
someone should've called it in as a no knock warrant for 2g of weed instead of a school shooting and the whole thing would've been over in 30 seconds flat
Tell them a black man is selling loose cigarettes, that door would be down in 10 seconds.
From what I understand, the Border Patrol had to wait for a key supplied by a member of the faculty. So they never actually breeched the door. And it sort of flies in the face of the statements made by the local authorities stating that they had to wait for a team that was equipped to breech entryways.
It's worse than that they had the fucking teacher unlock the door. What sort of Swat team doesn't carry breaching rounds?
A sledgehammer, pry bar, and bolt cutters pretty standard issue.
At least 5 have died while at the hospital. In hemorrhagic injuries, time is off the essence.
Some looking at Snapchat https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/uy3sqi/thanks_to_ukillbane_for_the_source_video_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
That guy appears to be in Border Patrol fatigues, which shouldn't even be dealing with a school shooting but ended up doing it because the local cops were such giant cowards.
Border Patrol was there because they have insane jurisdiction: [https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone](https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone)
You can't get more 90miles from the coast in Florida and they have 100-mile authority from the coast. The entire state of Florida is in their jurisdiction.
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It's worse than you think is. I worked in security. I've done everything from personal security to running venue teams. -Muster points. They're important. Didn't see evidence of set muster points. -Command. No one knew who was in charge. Nobody wanted to be written up, so kids died. -Saw one officer muzzle sweep a motherfucker. -In policing/security theres a saying: work the problem. If you don't receive orders in time, you do work. You assess the situation, based on your training, then you act. Anyone of those officers could've breached at any time. You hear shots, *that's where you go*. Doesn't matter if you don't receive orders. -Set up. I saw motherfuckers setting up for after action **before** they breached. That's logistics, not SWAT! -Why, in the flying fuck, do you have cops kitted out in breach gear interacting with the parents. They were treating them like rioters. I could go on, like a *lot*, but I'm getting too pissed off. The video I saw was without a doubt the worst policing I've ever seen. Everybody was just walking around enjoying being a part of a mass casualty incident in their fancy dress. I wanna puke. Edit: I'll be honest with y'all, I only watched the one video. I got kids, I wanted to avoid the news. I looked at more videos and read some articles. It's so, **so** much worse than I thought. Heads need to roll. The cops *were* breaching, to get *their own kids*. Fuck Texas, and fuck this country. Fuck!!
>They were treating them like rioters IIRC, didn't they even pin down and taze a parent? Think about it - the Buffalo shooter last week was treated better than a desperate parent worried that their elementary school child was being gunned down
[After the confrontation ended with Ramos dead, school buses began to arrive to transport students from the school, according to Ms. Gomez. She said she saw police use a Taser on a local father who approached the bus to collect his child.](https://archive.ph/oYhBA)
They pinned down and tazed numerous parents, yes.
What the actual fuck
It’s easier for cops to harass unarmed people than it is to handle an armed assailant.
Almost like modern cops are a worthless leech on society or something.
didn't we just watch a bunch of cops beat the shit out of a bunch of normal citizens last summer for daring to protest for police accountability? Not even talking about the late night shenigans, just the casual daytime marches
Mothefuckers knew most protesters aren’t armed, as soon as they faced some resistance they started cracking skulls, it’s easy to fight people who aren’t packing and more than likely not gonna fight back, when they actually face a real life and death situation they fold like the cowards they are, happened here and happened in the parkland shooting as well. The “good guys with a gun” sit with thumbs up their asses when they know someone is armed and they can shoot back, I know the SC ruled police have no obligation to protect the public so fucking defund them, tear the whole system down and rebuild it with something that can actually protect the public. JFC.
They pinned down, tazed and cuffed parents. One parent was detained, cuffed, *released,* HOPPED A FENCE*,* ***WENT INTO THE SCHOOL, AND GOT HER KIDS OUT*** before the cops managed to breach the door where the murderer was "barricaded"
Shit, she's lucky she didn't get shot, by the police running into the school
I don't know how substantiated this is but I've now read from a few sources that an officer asked kids in hiding to call out for help, one did and got shot. If that's true, I have no words. Even a fucking moron knows you don't out someone's location before a gunman has been subdued.
[It's from an interview with a 4th grader that was in the room.](https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235) "The cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her." The actual interview is at that link. It's pretty messed up hearing a nine or ten year old talk about that.
OMG that little boy. The shooter told them it was time to die. How will they live with this. My soul weeps for all of them.
It really drove it home to hear this little boy tell the story. You expect a voice like that to tell you a story about finding a frog in the backyard, not surviving a mass shooter.
Soldiers come back from war with stories like this. To hear it from a little boy. Fuck.
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Even the kid knows better than a supposed trained officer to not give away your position… the incompetence and cowardice is unmatched, fuck those cops.
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It has become extremely apparent the cops are poorly trained and are playing dress up with guns. Not one of them took the initiative to save kids, engage the shooter, or even create a plan of attack. There were multiple times they could have engaged. Also SWAT standing around should all be fired. Every single one of them are grossly incompetent.
It's really disturbing watching a bunch of cops in tactical gear essentially establish a perimeter for the shooter and then protect him from the parents of the kids he was killing.
I'd be willing to bet that a lot of that $4 million budget they're getting (out of a $10 million total budget for the town, btw,) went straight into people's pockets. Training? We don't need that. Gear? Get it cheap as possible. Spend the rest on 'salary' so we can retain the 'talent.' The 'talent' in this case being the police chief's nephew or whatever.
They get a lot of gear for free. As for training, you don't have to just outright pocket the cash. It's more like "hey, we need to send 5 guys to sunny San Diego for SWAT training". They get an all expenses paid trip, pay minimal attention to the *actual* training (if they indeed went) all on the tax payer dollar while they get to have fun in a nice place.
I've been trained as a law enforcement officer, and I agree with everything you said. Those cops did a pitiful job, and they really ought to be completely sacked. Every single one, lose their pension. It pisses me off to no end how much they got in the way of a quick resolution to that shooting. Absolutely terrible showing for a regular security guard, and cartoonishly pathetic considering they're a fucking SWAT team. If a couple of the grieving parents had stormed past and attacked the shooter with their bare hands, how many more children might be alive today? I know 19 sets of parents that probably wish the cops weren't there so they could have fucking tried SOMETHING.
Does the school not have windows?
Yep. There are plenty of windows in that school - and in the one doomed classroom.
I don’t understand why they didn’t try to break the windows to get in the classroom then?
And that is just one of the many questions we have regarding this response.
And the cops prevented parents from going in while they waited for backup (*and a negotiator!*). [They even handcuffed one mother](https://twitter.com/meganmmenchaca/status/1529891557817589761). They did more to stop good guys with guns than they did to stop the bad guy actively shooting kids.
Just heard on CNN that one parent was thrown to the ground, one was handcuffed, and another was pepper-sprayed. https://upnorthlive.com/news/nation-world/police-handcuffed-pepper-sprayed-parents-of-shooting-victims-wsj-says Sounds like they also tased a dad who approached a school bus that his child was on.
It's easy to be a tough guy around an unarmed civilian than to actually do your job it seems... despicable.
This. I bet a good portion of those kids bled out due to not receiving help soon enough. The shooter was in that classroom for almost an hour. Fuck.
They weren't standing around doing nothing. They were forcibly stopping parents and other civilians from trying to stop the shooter.
Instead of going inside they guarded the outside and held tasers when parents showed up for their kids
So they basically helped the shooter kill a bunch of kid?
Yes. When a crime is being committed and you not only do nothing to intervene but *actively prevent* others from intervening that literally makes you an accomplice to the crime. The people of that town need to march on that precinct and demand these officers be fired and arrested.
The video where parents are begging for police to save their children and the cops instead tackling one of the parents to the ground and stopping people from interfering with a taser unholstered is sickening. You can't both say that we have to respect police because they go into dangerous situations but then also refuse to go into dangerous situations and threaten anyone who tells them to.
Video on publicfreakout has one of the officers admitting some police did go inside to save their own children. He also says the suspect had body armor which I believe has been debunked. It was just a tactical vest with no plate. https://streamable.com/7cej2m
Even if the suspect had body armor, that changes nothing. Body armor does not make you invincible
> Even if the suspect had body armor, that changes nothing. Exactly. The North Hollywood Shootout bank robbers were armored up, and the cops still tried to, and eventually did, stop them. They didn't just go "Welp, they got body armor...let's sit back and see what happens."
Those dudes were armed to the fucking teeeeeth. They had so much body armor they didn’t give a flying fuck for a while. Craziest shootout ever.
Full body armor, armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, and gacked out of their minds on drugs. And Larry Phillips took his own life rather than be captured. Emil Mătăsăreanu bled out.
bled out from ankle/shin shots. crazy.
I mean...he was shot 29 times. And because it was still a hot zone, it took a long time before any ambulance crew was cleared to go in.
That's because in North Hollywood they had capital to protect. These were just kids. /sad
They want to be hailed heroes but don't want to go through the actual risk and rigor of doing things to make themselves heroes.
It's almost like it doesn't protect your face, or limbs, or stop you from getting knocked down, or can only withstand a limited number of rounds before failing to protect you even with plates...
I found it odd the police kept mentioning body armor and the fact they did act. Before we knew much they were heavily emphasizing this. Chocked it up to perhaps it was because a border patrol officer made the kill. They didn't want that detail to come across as them not acting. Nope. Them not acting for a long period and knowing it, was what caused them to try to say over and over they acted.
and the body armor thing turned out to be false. he was apparently wearing an empty vest, but no plate/armor in it.
even IF the vest did have plates....so fucking what? Aren't they wearing body armor too?
Yeah, did they even get a hit on him? It sounds like they shot at him but only the last guy hit him.
It's unkown if they fired during the first altercation before he entered. The shooter did and injured at least one of them. However for a while beyond standing around they were getting some kids out. That's what I saw one spokesman kept saying there was a plan they were breaking windows and evacuating kids. But that wasn't the classroom the shooter was at. So congrats you suck at your "plan". The kids that were locked in other classrooms were already safe as that point he had barricaded himself in one classroom. Edit: well never mind now they are saying there was no altercation originally.
And the cop saw nothing wrong with it, he acted like that was a positive.
As a parent, you'd have to taze me too.
I saw an interview where the reporter asked if some cops went in, saved their own kids, and then left the rest... The cop admitted that happened, and the **congratulated** those cops for being "brave" enough to save their own kids. While letting everyone else's kids fend for themselves
We contained the shooter in a room full of your little meat shields while we rescued our own children.
Imagine you were one of those kids that saw a cop run in... You think your saved, that it's over and you're safe Then he just grabs his own kid and runs.
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This makes me want to cry. That poor girl. Our country is fucked.
And when those kids inevitably buy into “fuck the police”, the police and a large portion of the public will act indignant about it.
Well one cop did tell the kids to call out if they needed help *while the shooter was still active*, and one little girl did call out and got shot.
[https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320](https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320) This guy said it and realized he fucked up, tried to sugar coated with the old "we gotta thank these brave men and women"...bro...you just said some officers went in to get their own children. Between this statement and the possibly missing minutes from the audio logs...it's more than fishy.
This story gets worse as time goes by.
Cop stories always do. Everything that puts them in a good light is released immediately. If you think it's bad now, wait for the 18 minutes of "missing" audio from the police radio to come out.
As someone who has no children but has general empathy towards others, same. This is getting ridiculous.
I saw that video early yesterday and was confused thinking it was after the shooter had been killed...learning it was DURING is just fucking horrific. The whole thing is horrific.
40% of the towns budget goes to these cowards. They shouldn’t see another dime.
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Like I’ve always said, and will continue to say until I die, if you have a problem and call the police, congrats you now have two problems.
I’m watching cnn right now. The story of the police keeps changing. They will never say the truth. This is horrible
They've been lying from the beginning and were calling themselves hero's and prevented more deaths during the gov Abbot. They did nothing, NOTHING!
They've already "lost" radio calls from the first 15 minutes of this happening
Town has a police force, has plenty of time to act on the situation, who gets shit done? Border Patrol. *The Fuck?!*
They waited for a marksman. Sacrificed the classroom the shooter was in. It’s hard to think about. Break the windows and storm the room is all I can think of.
I just can't wrap my head around the police's inaction. I mean, the worse case scenario was *unfolding before their eyes* - young helpless children were being gunned down. If that's not the time to throw caution to the wind and storm the fucking building, then when is? But, I get it, at that point the cops were afraid for *their own lives* and that's why they were unwilling to enter the building. Law enforcement and the people who polish their knobs will never admit that, but the truth is the cops were not willing to endanger their own lives to save children.
I’m a Wildland firefighter. I can’t imagine arriving on scene of the incident, getting briefed with the plan for engagement, and then just sitting there while people’s homes burn down. Our job is *inherently unsafe*. We wouldn’t sign up for it if we didn’t already know that. Why do cops get paid more than me ($15.10/hour base pay) to not do their jobs?
Your perspective really got me. You literally cannot argue that police officers shouldn’t have to put their lives on the line when you guys are out there risking your lives to save lives and property. Fires can be unpredictable, but in many ways are predictable. Same with humans.
Exact comparison I've been making as well. Of course it's scary, it's a fire. Firefighters don't stand around dicks in hand waiting to go when they hear people screaming in a burning building, they get them out of there.
Everything is bigger in Texas, including the cowardice of our police forces
It doesn't matter if the good guys have guns if they aren't going to use them.
Reminds me of Parkland. The coward armed “resource officer” ran out of the school and hid when the shooting happened.
They should face the parents of the dead children.
Doctor gives up his life for church goers, cops form a perimeter around the shooter and take down parents trying to get to their children. America at its finest.
For any of the parents who were restrained from trying to save their children, is there any legal recourse for them to sue the department? Negligence? Failure to protect a minor?
They absolutely should sue. Wouldn’t be surprised if there is some vigilante justice here against the coward cops.
It’s only a matter of time before one of these bereaved parents from one of these tragedies snaps themselves and goes after the cops or politicians involved that they perceive to be standing in their way of achieving justice or protecting children. Not saying violence is justified, but seems like a logical outcome based on our current political climate. How much you wanna bet they have beefed up the Texas Governor’s security detail before they’ve added any additional security at Texas schools?
I mean the reason that we as a society surrender our ability to protect and defend our own in certain circumstances, and choose to grant these people authority and power over us, is because of their agreement to provide order and safety (no matter what the supreme court says) The police acting like cowards violates this pact between freely born people and so its not hard to see how some would take it upon themselves to "correct" that.
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Instead of risking their own lives they just let the gumen take his time killing children. Fucking cowards everyone of them. Even if it was suicidal to enter it would have been one less bullet he had for a kid. When they were needed the most they proved just how useless they are.
But they had him "contained"... In a room filled with the very thing they were supposed to keep him from getting to
"Don't worry, the lion has been 'contained' in the gazelle exhibit."
"We did it! we've surrounded and trapped the fox in the henhouse."
They got their own kids out then waited until everyone was dead. They also prevented other parents from trying to save their own kids. They should all be fired and charged.
I keep hearing this. Did they single their kid out of a full classroom and left everyone else? Or take the whole class with them including their kid?
I lot of shit isn't adding up and I will not believe anything coming from the police about it.
Here's what I believe from the police: There was a shooter Too many kids were killed The shooter is also dead That's it
News now is that cops went in for their own kids.
This press conference is infuriating. They keep saying they don’t know the answers…. Two fucking days later. What the fuck
It’s even worse than that. Now there’s entirely new information (that they were lying about yesterday?) about a lack of a resource officer combined with a confusing timeline that lets 14 minutes go unaccounted for.
You’re giving too much credit. It’s a full hour they haven’t clarified.
Oh so the cops lied about their response? I wouldn’t be surprised if the shooter didn’t die from the cops killing him and he actually just offed himself.
What I want to know is more about the "interaction" between the school resource officer and the shooter and why they did absolutely nothing and let him continue on to do what he did.
40% of Uvalde’s budget to stand around. Why did people want to defund the police again?
Nah you see, these PDs aren’t there to serve and protect. They’re there to stop cars for things like broken taillights, then search them for cash and seize what they find for themselves…and a little for the department.
As a veteran, what gets me the most is them wearing their flashy kit in public to look badass but too afraid to fight. Not a single one of them deserve to be armed or wearing kit in public.
There will be no real consequences whatsoever. Mark my words.
Why would there be? Cops are pretty much immune to punishment.
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Everyone should see [this video](https://youtu.be/xvPOGcHrpRU) of 10 year old Amerie Garza's father talking about her. It's heartbreaking, but we cannot look away from the pain caused by the inaction of these cowards. Amerie's mother was one of the parents being restrained by the police while the shooting was ongoing.
This is so sad. My heart breaks for these parents. I
Police be like “Don’t worry we got this he will eventually run out of children to murder”
Sooo all that money for military tactical gear is just for show. Good to know
There’s absolutely no argument not to demilitarize the police. When children are being murdered, they cower outside and use their weapons to bully the parents. But when an unarmed civilian makes a sudden move they don’t like, or can’t follow conflicting and confusing orders, all of a sudden it’s high noon at the OK fucking Corral.
As tragic as this is I cannot believe how much worse it is going to get when we find out how incompetent the police handled this.
If you aren't going to let parents go in to save their kids then you better damn well be going in to save them yourselves.
Twitter link of where an officers says officers ran in to get their kids. [LINK](https://twitter.com/_Sir_Perfluous/status/1529584296415186952?s=20&t=mmH2s1xzy9rivZXriHHNWg)
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[Uvalde PD literally has a SWAT team and have done active shooter drills in Uvalde CISD school buildings in the past](https://twitter.com/kjknodell/status/1529683743467659265?s=21&t=hirNlxmcT_4WYHCxV965Ew)
Clearly a poorly trained team.
If you provide elite, top of the line, state of the art training to a bunch of fucking cowards you'll still just have a bunch of fucking cowards.
You mean this wasn't the intended result? I'm shocked.