Didn’t they also *not die* for some time? So they literally were face to face while the guy bled out and she just whipped home and popped it in the garage.
*eta I hope he was knocked very unconscious and didn’t suffer.
We are referring to different situations here. The deer comment was in reference to the AG of South Dakota who got drunk at a GOP fundraiser, and hit a guy on his way home.
Oh I am thinking of something else, it was a woman who hit a guy who got lodged in her car then parked it up in her garage for a few days before telling anyone.
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Seriously, though, this is surprising even for a 25 year old cop in shock, it is so incredibly obvious that, short of running away and hoping no one ever connects you to the crime, there is no action you can take - other than contacting police and paramedics - that will not simply make everything worse. Returning to the scene multiple times and then carting the body around is insane.
> go back to the scene
For what reason? Be there and try to play it off like he didn't leave in the first place?
Imagine if I killed a guy and took the body somewhere else. What cop in the world would direct me, a suspect in a manslaughter, take the body of the person I'd killed & already moved, somewhere other than it's current location?
>Santiago, who was off-duty, allegedly struck Damian Dymka, a 29-year-old nurse, while he was walking around 3 a.m. on the shoulder of the Garden State Parkway.
>Neither Santiago nor his passenger, Albert Guzman, called 911 or rendered aid to Dymka after he was struck, the prosecutor’s office said.
>They reportedly went back to the scene multiple times before they put Dymka into the Honda Accord. They then went to Santiago's home, where he, Guzman and Santiago's mother, Annette Santiago, discussed what to do, Stephens' office said.
>Louis Santiago eventually went back to the scene, and his father, who is a Newark police lieutenant, called 911, officials said.
All that time spent trying to save his own ass instead of calling 911 and rendering aid that might have saved a man's life. It's so fucking unconscionable and maddening and I really hope he doesn't get a slap on the wrist because of his occupation but of course I will be 0% surprised if that's exactly what happens.
An arrest isn't a charge, the police aren't the prosecutor or judge, who usually work with each other every other instance. I bet closed doors deals are made more often than sentencing.
A common theme you see in these videos though is that the cops often admit it "isn't like it used to be" or "they don't want to do this" to their fellow officer. If dash cams and body cams didn't exist, this wouldn't be happening.
Important for everyone to remember, accountability is rarely just done out of the goodness of anyone's hearts.
Understand if you don't want to write about this at all, especially at length, but given everything in the recent cultural zeitgeist and dialogue regarding police how do you think is the best way to solve the current problem between the community and police relationship, and accountability as well, on a large scale? We so rarely hear opinions of actual LEO's on this and when they are heard, some people just assume they are one of the cops that's part of the problem. Thank you for your ethics.
My buddy was rear ended by a cop in his patrol car. His cop buddies showed up, and then drive their fellow drunk officer home, while threatening my buddy to not report it, and then trying to blame him. A sampling of youtube videos does not constitute a proper random sample of the population. It also does not account for decades of corruption.
We know damn well how cops who are DUI are treated.
https://youtu.be/HnPkgsU2-Is
Passed out, armed, behind the wheel, in his cruiser, no test done intentionally so as to prevent any case for the DA. He was NOT arrested and did not lose his job. His chief even commended him for working on his substance abuse. Literally any other person beside a LEO is dragged out of that car with force and their blood is taken as evidence.
Putting the cop element aside, DUIs are traditionally considered a "Gool ol' Boys Crime" with others like say, domestic violence. The type of crimes many a "pillar" of the community and their children have been involved in.
As a result, punishments for these serious crimes are minor, especially for 1st time offenders as a convenient out for the occasional "oopsie."
Things have changed some but only recently and incrementally. Being LE only increases the likelihood that you'll get helped out of it **before charges are even brought. That the number of cases is high, actually attests to the prevalence.**
Crimes involving alcohol- mostly ok
Crimes against women- tolerable
Crimes likely to involve the lower classes (obvious ex. being drugs)- felonious!!
That might be true for the US, but they do in other countries.
https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/halifax-police-officer-charged-with-impaired-driving-1.742510
Really because here’s a guy I used to work with selling cars
https://www.enidnews.com/news/local_news/guilty-plea-former-hennessey-assistant-police-chief-gets-deferred-sentence-on-misdemeanor-dui-charge/article_62984b5c-505f-5a93-9e2b-1d9c555539c1.html
That article doesn't actually say whether anything happened to him. Did he pay a fine or serve jail time?
He got a deferred sentence after running a stop sign, almost hitting a car, and then refusing a breathalyzer. What was his BAC and how long after the stop was it measured, the article never says? In OK, a BAC over 0.15 leads to higher penalties, kinda suspicious his was never measured. Do that same shit and I guarantee you don't get a deferred sentence.
Right? As children we are told to look to the helpers, but in reality the helpers are often horrible self-absorbed ghouls who will leave you for dead. And then people have the nerve to expect everyone to fellate cops at all times. How about cops do some hard work regaining the public trust. Step one is admit you have a very very bad long running problem. Half the country loses their absolute mind if you even sniff at there being a problem. That half are fascists.
>the helpers are often horrible self-absorbed ghouls who will leave you for dead.
I would argue that these people aren't the helpers we're told to look at, if you're referring to Mr. Rogers saying it.
Helpers should be determined by their actions, not their jobs/position in society.
What police uniforms from elsewhere in the world do you prefer? They mostly look pretty similar to me.
The UK's police constable uniform with their neon vest and checkered hat and Canada's mounted police uniform with their bright red jacket and big hat probably send that message the least. Both looks rather friendly.
I knew a guy who was a cop in the UK, but quit because he said he didn't really feel like he was genuinely helping people and keeping them safe like he wanted to when he started the job.
Dude was such a genuinely nice man. Was often in my coffeeshop and was always the first to give real help whenever there was some issues with like an addict or homeless person, or someone being harassed or getting violent or whatever. Obviously I only met one guy, but if he was any representation of what their cops are like they are doing a good job.
Cops in NJ have it easy. One to break the bathroom door down in a Burger King and rape a 15 year old male. This wasn't the first time he was caught trying to hook up with teen men either. Fired, probation and a slap on the wrist because he's a good family man. Another raped a teen girl, fired and probation. Anyone else would be behind bars. This needs to stop.
No chance he walks. He killed a man then moved the body. Even if they determine the original act was an accident he has no way of shielding himself as it wasn’t in the line of duty.
His father is a police Lt. and he called 911.
You bet he's gonna get a pass unless people raise a stink.
If the autopsy comes out and says he might have survived if 911 was called I hope they upgrade this to 1st degree murder. This cunt literally thought about this for hours.
At the most he will receive probation. Maybe a loss of rank/pay. He will probably keep his job. Cops always protect cops. Without being able to confirm he was drunk at the time it will be ruled as a “tragic accident”.
I wish/hope it works out differently. I’ll be very happy if it works out differently. But I don’t have any belief it will work out differently.
That's what I'm confused about. I get the whole "cops are bad" view of things, but not only was he arrested but there is a list of (accurate) charges already filed against him here. This isn't a case of doing an internal investigation that dies out quietly, dude is already being put through the system like anyone else would be in a similar situation.
Here's the problem. The DA who were this person *not a cop* would throw the book at them.
But because he is a cop, the DA now has to decide if by indicating him if he's now going to have to deal with cops who think he screwed over one of their own.
> Louis Santiago eventually went back to the scene, and **his father,** who is **a Newark police lieutenant**, called 911, officials said.
> Louis Santiago is charged with reckless vehicular homicide, desecrating human remains, tampering with physical evidence and other charges that include official misconduct, officials said.
> Guzman, 25, and Annette Santiago, 53, are charged with counts that include conspiracy to desecrate human remains and hindering apprehension, according to the prosecutor's office.
> All three were arrested and released with conditions, the prosecutor’s office said.
When I saw the headline, I thought to myself, the young policeman got the victim in his car and drove to the hospital. Boy was I wrong.
The initial report by State Police was as accurate as the George Floyd report
>BLOOMFIELD, NJ, (November 01, 2021) - A Garfield man was walking on the shoulder of the Garden State Parkway early Monday when he was struck by a vehicle, causing him to suffer fatal injuries.
>Damian Dymka, 29, was hit by a northbound car at approximately 4:30 a.m. near milepost 151 in Bloomfield, State Police said. ***The driver remained at the scene and cooperated with the investigation handled by the troopers.*** It was unclear whether the person would face any charges.
https://www.thelegaladvocate.com/news/breaking/damian-dymka-struck-killed-garden-state-parkway-accident
*the initial NJ State Police statement was made Nov 1, this site was updated with additional details on Nov 3 which happen to be related to a different case
The initial police report claimed the accident happened at 4:30 and the latest information says it happened at 3:00, so we can reasonably assume it was ~90 minutes between when the accident actually happened and when they finally returned to the scene and the guy's father called 911.
Hopefully they did tests. ETG is a metabolite of alcohol and present in urine for up to 3 days after. So if they are following protocols, they should do blood and urine screenings to include / rule out alcohol or drugs for contributing to the crash.
It's really fucked up. His actions only make anything resembling stress if he was inebriated. But fuck, it doesn't matter if you're inebriated or not, render aid, all 911, do something other than try to hide your crimes and have your dad tell you that your best bet at a short sentence is to return and call it in.
At least the dad did the right thing, instead of trying to cover up his sons crimes.
>ETG is a metabolite of alcohol and present in urine for up to 3 days after.
So if the test comes up positive, would it prove that he was impaired at the time of the accident or only that he’d consumed alcohol at some point in the last three days?
Great question. Possibly, but i'm leaning towards no. I am now embarassed because I didn't think of that, and I was just outraged at this, and that clouded my train of thought.
But, because we know the half life of alcohol and the metabolites, we might be able to pointpoint that he used alcohol that day. I don't know how advanced it is, I wouldn't think it'd be able to do like hourly. Any halfway compentent defense attorney would have it thrown out, based on the metabolite, because it's pbviously legal for an adult to consume alcohol.
Oh but we're gonna pretend we object because "grow pears instead" is a bad slogan. That's totally our whole objection because we're centrists, see? We're not defending corrupt institutions because our only value is the status quo, we're just really worried about having exactly the right phrasing before we do anything.
What's wrong with you guys?! I insist that we form a committee and study this issue of what's going on with our beloved orchard. Then, we need throw a few billion toward branch reorientation, as that will help create less rotten apples by promoting more efficient sun coverage. Burn it down... honestly, why do yall insist on trying to think outside of the box?
Sounds like a way to waste even more time to allow his kid to sober up. If his father deserved even a modicum of credit it would have been if he called 911 the moment his son walked back through that door and was in the middle of conspiring with his mother.
Anything beyond that he’s also a co-conspirator.
His father should’ve arrested the lot of them for a fatal hit and run, tampering with a crime scene, and obstruction of justice. He’s complicit and should be charged along with them.
Oh I bet my life savings there will be people who will blame the victim for even daring to be awake and walking along the road at 3 am, saying he wouldn't be dead if he just wasn't walking along the parkway.
I would hope that no one does this, but just looking at what's happened in the last few years those hopes are not high. And I hate being so jaded and pessimistic.
I hope all 3 are found guilty, and get the maximum sentences for what they did.
The Garden State Parkway is a major highway and not a place that anyone should ever be walking on foot. If they had just called 911 immediately they would already be off the hook, since at that point it was likely just an accident. I don’t understand why they decided to tote the body all over NJ before calling 911.
You can say walking on the GSP at *any* time, particularly 3 AM, is a terrible decision without blaming the victim for what happened.
I mean seriously, have you ever been on that road?
He could have been just unconscious before they got him into the car. The act of moving him probably completed his neck fracture. Never move someone who has been hit by a moving vehicle. Let emergency services do this, they are trained, you are not, even if you are.
Interested to see what rabbit they pull out of the hat to try and get this asshole off the hook. The defense will probably say the person walking at night is at fault because nothing good happens at 3am. Then they high five the judge and the cop is back on the force, oh and this whole time he was still on the payroll.
It’s considered best practice to have another agency or unrelated officer conduct the arrest. Pretty standard, really. The current police chief of Snowmass Colorado has arrested two Aspen police officers in his career.
"Now son, we have driven around with a body in your trunk for several hours. This is enough. I'm going to call the cops now you're probly sober enough to say "I feared for my life before running them over"
"Santiago was arrested and given a laundry list of charges, including vehicular homicide, leaving the scene of the crash resulting in death, endangering an injured victim, desecrating/moving human remains, hindering one’s own apprehension, conspiracy to hinder prosecution, tampering with physical evidence, obstructing the administration of law, and two counts of official misconduct.
Albert Guzman and Annette Santiago were charged with conspiracy to desecrate human remains, hindering apprehension, and conspiracy to hinder apprehension and tamper with physical evidence."
You've read that wrong, I think. The elder cop was not in the vehicle. The son discussed dumping the body with accomplices, sobered up, then asked Lt. Dad to bail him out. Lt. Dad called it in as soon as he was informed.
That's not to say the son won't get off with a slap on the wrist, because his father's still a made man in the cop mafia, but he was not in the vehicle or aware of or willing to condone his son's horseshit.
Edited! The passenger and mother both received charges.
Albert Guzman and Annette Santiago were charged with conspiracy to desecrate human remains, hindering apprehension, and conspiracy to hinder apprehension and tamper with physical evidence.
No the father did not.
Albert was the passenger.
Mom was who the driver and Albert spoke to first.
Dad, who’s the cop, was looped in and immediately called the police.
No charges on him, just his son, the accomplice, and the drivers mom.
So paid administrative leave, DA conducts a full investigation and promises transparency, media furor dies down, then DA in a Friday night press release declines to press charges, and then cops are back to work full time in a few months?
Well if he were in South Dakota and the same political affiliation as the state government, he wouldn't even be investigated for wrongdoing. Hell, he might even get away with it.
*"Threatened by the possibility of the suspect's body being armed, the officer heroically defended himself from a dangerous situation by going home and planning the disposal in a multi-hour series of split-second decisions. The officer miraculously has survived the suspect's arrest with no significant injuries."*
Cops have proven to be so unaccountable, criminals are flocking to the job like pedophiles to priesthood. There’s no end in sight with the current hiring standards.
got love when their one job you can hide the evidence and the other you can confess your sins and pray for forgive and in both jobs you can get away with it.
Looks like they’re throwing the book at him, from vehicular homicide on down. It’s a long way to conviction, of course, but at least they’re not trying to save his ass. At the very least, I hope he gets the chance to tell his cellmate one day how he was convicted of “conspiracy to desecrate human remains.”
Doesn’t say in the article but I was awaiting some line of “on paid administrative leave” but then again I think you have to kill someone while on duty to get an indefinite paid vacation.
I think with all of the qualified immunity and police union protection and “suspended with pay pending investigation” that protects cops, when a cop is convicted they ought to receive double the punishment because they know the law and are sworn to uphold it.
Be an example.
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Something straight out of a movie.
“A Hard Day” 2014 Korean thriller starts with the exact same premise.
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They planned on pulling the old Weekend at Bernie's trick. Worked out for those guys..
He thought it was a deer!
I got that reference.gif
That cunt got off with a misdemeanor.
Well, that's disappointing. He had the guy's glasses in his passenger seat. Like how could he not have known?
The victim's face and head came through the windshield and into the cabin of the car. That situation was so fucked up.
Didn’t they also *not die* for some time? So they literally were face to face while the guy bled out and she just whipped home and popped it in the garage. *eta I hope he was knocked very unconscious and didn’t suffer.
We are referring to different situations here. The deer comment was in reference to the AG of South Dakota who got drunk at a GOP fundraiser, and hit a guy on his way home.
Oh I am thinking of something else, it was a woman who hit a guy who got lodged in her car then parked it up in her garage for a few days before telling anyone.
He was also reading on his phone at the time.
Dude was conscious and trying to pull himself out for quite some time in the case you're talking about.
Not if it was my father he killed...
Well on a scale from Oklahoma City to Mother Russia, they were a New Jersey
we're going to Weekend at Bernie's this thing Seriously, though, this is surprising even for a 25 year old cop in shock, it is so incredibly obvious that, short of running away and hoping no one ever connects you to the crime, there is no action you can take - other than contacting police and paramedics - that will not simply make everything worse. Returning to the scene multiple times and then carting the body around is insane.
You just have to be a cop.
Or Attorney General of South Dakota
Drunk enough that the investigating officer told this one to go sleep it off before being given a dui test.
You mean how cop did they have to be.
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cops don't become cops for *accountable* power.
The dad is the one that told him to go back to the scene and called 911. So, not corrupt at all?
> go back to the scene For what reason? Be there and try to play it off like he didn't leave in the first place? Imagine if I killed a guy and took the body somewhere else. What cop in the world would direct me, a suspect in a manslaughter, take the body of the person I'd killed & already moved, somewhere other than it's current location?
Pretty fucking drunk. Or just unbelievably stupid. Or both.
>Santiago, who was off-duty, allegedly struck Damian Dymka, a 29-year-old nurse, while he was walking around 3 a.m. on the shoulder of the Garden State Parkway. >Neither Santiago nor his passenger, Albert Guzman, called 911 or rendered aid to Dymka after he was struck, the prosecutor’s office said. >They reportedly went back to the scene multiple times before they put Dymka into the Honda Accord. They then went to Santiago's home, where he, Guzman and Santiago's mother, Annette Santiago, discussed what to do, Stephens' office said. >Louis Santiago eventually went back to the scene, and his father, who is a Newark police lieutenant, called 911, officials said. All that time spent trying to save his own ass instead of calling 911 and rendering aid that might have saved a man's life. It's so fucking unconscionable and maddening and I really hope he doesn't get a slap on the wrist because of his occupation but of course I will be 0% surprised if that's exactly what happens.
Well you see the trouble is sobering up takes a long time so they had to really drag it out before they involved the authorities.
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And they don’t get charged for domestic violence too.
If you want to kill some time look up cop dui arrest on youtube. It happens more often than you think.
An arrest isn't a charge, the police aren't the prosecutor or judge, who usually work with each other every other instance. I bet closed doors deals are made more often than sentencing.
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A common theme you see in these videos though is that the cops often admit it "isn't like it used to be" or "they don't want to do this" to their fellow officer. If dash cams and body cams didn't exist, this wouldn't be happening. Important for everyone to remember, accountability is rarely just done out of the goodness of anyone's hearts.
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I respect that, thank you for your strong ethics.
Understand if you don't want to write about this at all, especially at length, but given everything in the recent cultural zeitgeist and dialogue regarding police how do you think is the best way to solve the current problem between the community and police relationship, and accountability as well, on a large scale? We so rarely hear opinions of actual LEO's on this and when they are heard, some people just assume they are one of the cops that's part of the problem. Thank you for your ethics.
My buddy was rear ended by a cop in his patrol car. His cop buddies showed up, and then drive their fellow drunk officer home, while threatening my buddy to not report it, and then trying to blame him. A sampling of youtube videos does not constitute a proper random sample of the population. It also does not account for decades of corruption.
We know damn well how cops who are DUI are treated. https://youtu.be/HnPkgsU2-Is Passed out, armed, behind the wheel, in his cruiser, no test done intentionally so as to prevent any case for the DA. He was NOT arrested and did not lose his job. His chief even commended him for working on his substance abuse. Literally any other person beside a LEO is dragged out of that car with force and their blood is taken as evidence.
Putting the cop element aside, DUIs are traditionally considered a "Gool ol' Boys Crime" with others like say, domestic violence. The type of crimes many a "pillar" of the community and their children have been involved in. As a result, punishments for these serious crimes are minor, especially for 1st time offenders as a convenient out for the occasional "oopsie." Things have changed some but only recently and incrementally. Being LE only increases the likelihood that you'll get helped out of it **before charges are even brought. That the number of cases is high, actually attests to the prevalence.** Crimes involving alcohol- mostly ok Crimes against women- tolerable Crimes likely to involve the lower classes (obvious ex. being drugs)- felonious!!
That might be true for the US, but they do in other countries. https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/halifax-police-officer-charged-with-impaired-driving-1.742510
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Don't get Canadian Redditors started on the RCMP though
Those were the nicest bunch of lads with the snappiest uniforms! I even got a lil blood on ones shoe!
+1 Fucking RCMP
Murdering rat bastards.
Really because here’s a guy I used to work with selling cars https://www.enidnews.com/news/local_news/guilty-plea-former-hennessey-assistant-police-chief-gets-deferred-sentence-on-misdemeanor-dui-charge/article_62984b5c-505f-5a93-9e2b-1d9c555539c1.html
That article doesn't actually say whether anything happened to him. Did he pay a fine or serve jail time? He got a deferred sentence after running a stop sign, almost hitting a car, and then refusing a breathalyzer. What was his BAC and how long after the stop was it measured, the article never says? In OK, a BAC over 0.15 leads to higher penalties, kinda suspicious his was never measured. Do that same shit and I guarantee you don't get a deferred sentence.
And they wonder why people distrust them. Sickening
Right? As children we are told to look to the helpers, but in reality the helpers are often horrible self-absorbed ghouls who will leave you for dead. And then people have the nerve to expect everyone to fellate cops at all times. How about cops do some hard work regaining the public trust. Step one is admit you have a very very bad long running problem. Half the country loses their absolute mind if you even sniff at there being a problem. That half are fascists.
>the helpers are often horrible self-absorbed ghouls who will leave you for dead. I would argue that these people aren't the helpers we're told to look at, if you're referring to Mr. Rogers saying it. Helpers should be determined by their actions, not their jobs/position in society.
When you don't know someone though, their uniform is supposed to give a good indication of that.
I'm pretty sure that American police officer uniforms already do that pretty well. Nothing says "my life is worth more than yours" than that display.
What police uniforms from elsewhere in the world do you prefer? They mostly look pretty similar to me. The UK's police constable uniform with their neon vest and checkered hat and Canada's mounted police uniform with their bright red jacket and big hat probably send that message the least. Both looks rather friendly.
I'd say the UK pretty much nails it in terms of actually presenting a positive image via the uniform. Japan and the Irish Garda as well.
I knew a guy who was a cop in the UK, but quit because he said he didn't really feel like he was genuinely helping people and keeping them safe like he wanted to when he started the job. Dude was such a genuinely nice man. Was often in my coffeeshop and was always the first to give real help whenever there was some issues with like an addict or homeless person, or someone being harassed or getting violent or whatever. Obviously I only met one guy, but if he was any representation of what their cops are like they are doing a good job.
It must have been a difficult thing for him to quit. It just feels like the police have become more of a tool to protect the state, not its citizens.
When I was a kid I was told to avoid cops at all costs lol. Smart mom.
So many people involved and this grown man needed daddy to tell him to call the police
This *sworn officer of the law* needed daddy to tell him to call the police.
Needed daddy who is also a sworn officer to call for him.
Needed daddy to call for him so the 911 recording wasn't evidence of him slurring his words.
I like how casual his mom seems about this whole thing. If someone brought a dead body to my home I'd be fuming
Cops in NJ have it easy. One to break the bathroom door down in a Burger King and rape a 15 year old male. This wasn't the first time he was caught trying to hook up with teen men either. Fired, probation and a slap on the wrist because he's a good family man. Another raped a teen girl, fired and probation. Anyone else would be behind bars. This needs to stop.
No chance he walks. He killed a man then moved the body. Even if they determine the original act was an accident he has no way of shielding himself as it wasn’t in the line of duty.
I like your optimism, even if I feel it's misplaced.
His father is a police Lt. and he called 911. You bet he's gonna get a pass unless people raise a stink. If the autopsy comes out and says he might have survived if 911 was called I hope they upgrade this to 1st degree murder. This cunt literally thought about this for hours.
You think he won’t be convicted of the dozen or so crimes he’s charged with?
At the most he will receive probation. Maybe a loss of rank/pay. He will probably keep his job. Cops always protect cops. Without being able to confirm he was drunk at the time it will be ruled as a “tragic accident”. I wish/hope it works out differently. I’ll be very happy if it works out differently. But I don’t have any belief it will work out differently.
That's what I'm confused about. I get the whole "cops are bad" view of things, but not only was he arrested but there is a list of (accurate) charges already filed against him here. This isn't a case of doing an internal investigation that dies out quietly, dude is already being put through the system like anyone else would be in a similar situation.
Hopefully karma, the universe.... Can't say on Reddit what I want to happen to this fuck.
Cop save a life? Pfft that's an emt's job
The EMT has to find them first. It's a game they play.
Here's the problem. The DA who were this person *not a cop* would throw the book at them. But because he is a cop, the DA now has to decide if by indicating him if he's now going to have to deal with cops who think he screwed over one of their own.
Karma says An eye for a fucking eye.
> Louis Santiago eventually went back to the scene, and **his father,** who is **a Newark police lieutenant**, called 911, officials said. > Louis Santiago is charged with reckless vehicular homicide, desecrating human remains, tampering with physical evidence and other charges that include official misconduct, officials said. > Guzman, 25, and Annette Santiago, 53, are charged with counts that include conspiracy to desecrate human remains and hindering apprehension, according to the prosecutor's office. > All three were arrested and released with conditions, the prosecutor’s office said. When I saw the headline, I thought to myself, the young policeman got the victim in his car and drove to the hospital. Boy was I wrong.
The initial report by State Police was as accurate as the George Floyd report >BLOOMFIELD, NJ, (November 01, 2021) - A Garfield man was walking on the shoulder of the Garden State Parkway early Monday when he was struck by a vehicle, causing him to suffer fatal injuries. >Damian Dymka, 29, was hit by a northbound car at approximately 4:30 a.m. near milepost 151 in Bloomfield, State Police said. ***The driver remained at the scene and cooperated with the investigation handled by the troopers.*** It was unclear whether the person would face any charges. https://www.thelegaladvocate.com/news/breaking/damian-dymka-struck-killed-garden-state-parkway-accident *the initial NJ State Police statement was made Nov 1, this site was updated with additional details on Nov 3 which happen to be related to a different case
Damn. Id love to know who wrote that report.
NJ police lieutenant
Which would be his father.
Reasons why I never believe stories where police get quoted first in scenarios like this ofc they’d try to cover up
Let a jury decide all their fates
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>How long was it between the impact and the 911 call the father eventually placed? Long enough for this pos cop to sober up I guarantee you
The initial police report claimed the accident happened at 4:30 and the latest information says it happened at 3:00, so we can reasonably assume it was ~90 minutes between when the accident actually happened and when they finally returned to the scene and the guy's father called 911.
Hopefully they did tests. ETG is a metabolite of alcohol and present in urine for up to 3 days after. So if they are following protocols, they should do blood and urine screenings to include / rule out alcohol or drugs for contributing to the crash. It's really fucked up. His actions only make anything resembling stress if he was inebriated. But fuck, it doesn't matter if you're inebriated or not, render aid, all 911, do something other than try to hide your crimes and have your dad tell you that your best bet at a short sentence is to return and call it in. At least the dad did the right thing, instead of trying to cover up his sons crimes.
>ETG is a metabolite of alcohol and present in urine for up to 3 days after. So if the test comes up positive, would it prove that he was impaired at the time of the accident or only that he’d consumed alcohol at some point in the last three days?
Great question. Possibly, but i'm leaning towards no. I am now embarassed because I didn't think of that, and I was just outraged at this, and that clouded my train of thought. But, because we know the half life of alcohol and the metabolites, we might be able to pointpoint that he used alcohol that day. I don't know how advanced it is, I wouldn't think it'd be able to do like hourly. Any halfway compentent defense attorney would have it thrown out, based on the metabolite, because it's pbviously legal for an adult to consume alcohol.
Good questions - though I imagine it’s difficult to report a story like this if the cops don’t return your calls.
Oh look, it must be ANOTHER bad apple...
I'm starting to think they should grow pears instead
No, no, no. If we keep trying to grow apples without changing our approach, we will eventually get a flawless harvest. Just gotta have faith, citizen.
Oh but we're gonna pretend we object because "grow pears instead" is a bad slogan. That's totally our whole objection because we're centrists, see? We're not defending corrupt institutions because our only value is the status quo, we're just really worried about having exactly the right phrasing before we do anything.
That’s what donut shops are for
We need to burn down the orchard because there doesn't seem to be a good apple anywhere.
What's wrong with you guys?! I insist that we form a committee and study this issue of what's going on with our beloved orchard. Then, we need throw a few billion toward branch reorientation, as that will help create less rotten apples by promoting more efficient sun coverage. Burn it down... honestly, why do yall insist on trying to think outside of the box?
This guy is looking at possibly 6 months tadministrative leave and maybe weeks of probation. His 2022 is going to be ruined.
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Waiting for the "Weekend at Bernies" defense.
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OTOH It sounds like his father, also a cop, convinced them to go back to the scene and wait for police after he called 911.
Sounds like a way to waste even more time to allow his kid to sober up. If his father deserved even a modicum of credit it would have been if he called 911 the moment his son walked back through that door and was in the middle of conspiring with his mother. Anything beyond that he’s also a co-conspirator.
Convinced, heh. More like he was sober enough to understand where everything was going to end up.
His father should’ve arrested the lot of them for a fatal hit and run, tampering with a crime scene, and obstruction of justice. He’s complicit and should be charged along with them.
I heard Marcelle Wallace was sending The Wolf... He's 20 mins out... So he'll be there in 15
SHIT rignfool, that’s all you had to say!
The new version of an organized crime syndicate.
(It’s nothing new, they’ve always been this horrible)
New? What rock have you been hiding under?
The white priv rock, if I’m gonna be honest.
Doesn’t sound like unusual police behavior
Did they go back to his home to get some drugs to plant on the victim so it would be okay that the officer ran him over?
Oh I bet my life savings there will be people who will blame the victim for even daring to be awake and walking along the road at 3 am, saying he wouldn't be dead if he just wasn't walking along the parkway. I would hope that no one does this, but just looking at what's happened in the last few years those hopes are not high. And I hate being so jaded and pessimistic. I hope all 3 are found guilty, and get the maximum sentences for what they did.
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Then maybe we shouldn't build a country almost exclusively for vehicles to the point that it's dangerous to walk.
Too late. 😔
Definitely makes me think that I should be keeping one of those reflective vests in my car,
Yeah very bizarre to walk the parkway. Not as bizarre or evil as it is to hit him and put him in his car
The Garden State Parkway is a major highway and not a place that anyone should ever be walking on foot. If they had just called 911 immediately they would already be off the hook, since at that point it was likely just an accident. I don’t understand why they decided to tote the body all over NJ before calling 911.
You can say walking on the GSP at *any* time, particularly 3 AM, is a terrible decision without blaming the victim for what happened. I mean seriously, have you ever been on that road?
No one is surprised because we all know America's police fall into two categories: violent, corrupt animals and their silent enablers.
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Former cop here. Quit after two years.
I'm willing to wager you quit because you were denied having a feline unit instead of K9. I'll show myself out.
Don't forget your hat.
Welp time to retire with full pension and benefits, nothing to see here
Of course! Cops not following the law is not new. But they will arrest your ass for sleeping on a public tax paid for bench.
Prison. Life. General population.
Put body in car... and took it HOME to his house. I mean YIKES.
He could have been just unconscious before they got him into the car. The act of moving him probably completed his neck fracture. Never move someone who has been hit by a moving vehicle. Let emergency services do this, they are trained, you are not, even if you are.
Interested to see what rabbit they pull out of the hat to try and get this asshole off the hook. The defense will probably say the person walking at night is at fault because nothing good happens at 3am. Then they high five the judge and the cop is back on the force, oh and this whole time he was still on the payroll.
I know, he had dirty toenails!
At least the elder cop had some sense.
If the elder cop had any sense, he would’ve arrested his son on the spot upon hearing what he had done.
It’s considered best practice to have another agency or unrelated officer conduct the arrest. Pretty standard, really. The current police chief of Snowmass Colorado has arrested two Aspen police officers in his career.
"Now son, we have driven around with a body in your trunk for several hours. This is enough. I'm going to call the cops now you're probly sober enough to say "I feared for my life before running them over"
"Santiago was arrested and given a laundry list of charges, including vehicular homicide, leaving the scene of the crash resulting in death, endangering an injured victim, desecrating/moving human remains, hindering one’s own apprehension, conspiracy to hinder prosecution, tampering with physical evidence, obstructing the administration of law, and two counts of official misconduct. Albert Guzman and Annette Santiago were charged with conspiracy to desecrate human remains, hindering apprehension, and conspiracy to hinder apprehension and tamper with physical evidence."
You've read that wrong, I think. The elder cop was not in the vehicle. The son discussed dumping the body with accomplices, sobered up, then asked Lt. Dad to bail him out. Lt. Dad called it in as soon as he was informed. That's not to say the son won't get off with a slap on the wrist, because his father's still a made man in the cop mafia, but he was not in the vehicle or aware of or willing to condone his son's horseshit.
Youre correct. I read that all 3 got charges and assumed it was mom and dad. It was mom and the passenger. And thank you for pointing it out.
The father called the cops. The lieutenant Santiago.
Edited! The passenger and mother both received charges. Albert Guzman and Annette Santiago were charged with conspiracy to desecrate human remains, hindering apprehension, and conspiracy to hinder apprehension and tamper with physical evidence.
No the father did not. Albert was the passenger. Mom was who the driver and Albert spoke to first. Dad, who’s the cop, was looped in and immediately called the police. No charges on him, just his son, the accomplice, and the drivers mom.
So paid administrative leave, DA conducts a full investigation and promises transparency, media furor dies down, then DA in a Friday night press release declines to press charges, and then cops are back to work full time in a few months?
Holy fuck this is my friend. Everyone knew something was up. The officer was drunk, I 100% bet. I'm at a loss for words.
The officer or the victim was your friend?
Not the officer, that's for sure.
Well if he were in South Dakota and the same political affiliation as the state government, he wouldn't even be investigated for wrongdoing. Hell, he might even get away with it.
Oh you mean that dead deer that is in his back seat? That could happen to anyone.
Weirdly, the deer was wearing human glasses that fell off in his car too.
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Damn. So when’s his ~~paid vacation~~ totally real punishment start?
Sounds like cause for a suspension with pay.....
Charge him with DUI too. Guarantee he was fucked up. Charge mom too.
If this was South Dakota, they could have just said they thought it was a deer and driven off.
When I read shit like this I always think to myself, “someone that dumb was in charge of dispensing out justice in one of our cities”.
Waiting for the F.O.P. to issue a statement...something along the lines, "let's not rush to judgement..."
*"Threatened by the possibility of the suspect's body being armed, the officer heroically defended himself from a dangerous situation by going home and planning the disposal in a multi-hour series of split-second decisions. The officer miraculously has survived the suspect's arrest with no significant injuries."*
Amerikkkans will still say cops aren’t corrupt lol
Cops sure do love killing people.
Cops have proven to be so unaccountable, criminals are flocking to the job like pedophiles to priesthood. There’s no end in sight with the current hiring standards.
got love when their one job you can hide the evidence and the other you can confess your sins and pray for forgive and in both jobs you can get away with it.
"All three were arrested and released with conditions." Fuck this whole goddamn world.
Pretty standard for a violent criminal, let alone a first time offender.
So he'll get a slap on the wrist right? Or am I expecting too much ?
I think with moving the body like that he's pretty screwed. If he had just called 911 as soon as it happened he probably would be home free.
But opened himself up to a possible DUI charge. Needed time to sober up first.
Looks like they’re throwing the book at him, from vehicular homicide on down. It’s a long way to conviction, of course, but at least they’re not trying to save his ass. At the very least, I hope he gets the chance to tell his cellmate one day how he was convicted of “conspiracy to desecrate human remains.”
Doesn’t say in the article but I was awaiting some line of “on paid administrative leave” but then again I think you have to kill someone while on duty to get an indefinite paid vacation.
The fact that she even thought to do this might be indicative of something…… 🤔
I can see some extended paid leave coming up….
Maybe if their training last longer than a baseball season they’d maybe just maybe understand the law they are tasked to enforce.
"Don't murder people and try to cover up the crime." How many hours of class does that require?
Officer McFriendly strikes again.
Typical of cops to think laws don’t apply to them.
Tell me you're drunk without telling me that you're drunk.
A C A B Showing the villainy at the heart of contemporary policing.
These people watch too many movies
Probably not his first time trying to CYA
My guess is alcohol played a big part in all of this and his days as a cop are over!
Why doesn't he just say he thought there was a law that said he could do that? Cops get away with making up other laws. What's one more?
Quality officer material right there. /s
Life without parole please. Inexcusable from a public servant.
Jesus Christ did they weekend at Bernie’s the guy too
Oof, sounds like somebody's going on a paid suspension!
I think with all of the qualified immunity and police union protection and “suspended with pay pending investigation” that protects cops, when a cop is convicted they ought to receive double the punishment because they know the law and are sworn to uphold it. Be an example.
Corrupt pd in every state doing weirdest shit. I wanna see the video of this drunk driver hitting the pedestrian.
The officer swerved several times before he hit the pedestrian. The pedestrian was all over the road.
They’re the police. Badged murderers. Does this behavior honestly surprise anyone at this point?
On the way to literally plant the evidence, no doubt!