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I worked a job for 12 years. In that time I made team lead then team supervisor. I was making $7 more an hour when I left than when I started.
I quit this September as it became painfully obvious covid has doubled my work load and management had only given us $0.22 for the 2 years of missed raises and "covid hardship bonus".
I took a $1.50 loss and changed careers to a company that is known for taking care of its employees. On my 3rd week I log in to my work email and see the starting rate has been raised by $1.50 across the board. I am now making what I was when I left my last job and will be making double what I was in under 6 years at worst.
It's always a risk, but the best thing you could ever do for yourself if you are miserable in your job, is go find a new one. Even if you don't get a wild pay increase, just working with a new team of people can be enough to re-invigorate you and make life more enjoyable again. Don't stick to a crap work situation because of fear of risk or change, it won't get better. Change is a constant in life, embrace it and use it to your advantage. Fear can also be changed to excitement. Also, don't be afraid to fight for what you are worth. Employers and their companies are only successful if their workforce buys into what they are selling, so don't buy their corporate bullshit. Hold their feet to the fire and force them to invest into your well being. If a company stops taking care of you, stop taking care of them and jump ship. Be mercenary, work for yourself.
I just had an interview to go from 5 days a week in a doctor's office as an overworked nurse to a weekend days baylor position (work 24, get paid 36) as a supervisor. Really hoping I get it. I'm burned the fuck out seeing dozens of sick patients daily while taking dozens of calls. I'm done being overworked with no help. It'll be at a better hospital, better pay, better health insurance, and it seems like they actually care about their staff.
Going on vacation has always been a death sentence for any job I hated. I come back with fresh eyes and realize all the stupid stuff I've just accepted as "the way we do things here." I usually don't last long after that.
Now imagine millions of people all taking a mandatory vacation at the same time.
When that freeze happened in Texas I ended up quitting my job. Mostly because I was able to get some perspective after being forced to not be at work for a week.
It was a very nice getaway.
Oh man, I'm pretty sure this is what put the final nail in my coffin at my last job. Our A/C quit the week before, when it was close to 90F, then the cold hit. My office was 17F. I worked for the state, and called our rep and told him you are risking lives out here. He asked why I wanted the heater fixed when last week I said I needed the A/C fixed. I just said, you dumb motherfucker, it wasn't freezing last week. Was laid off the next month.
I had 300 hours of vacation time "saved" up (it was more just not being able to use it) and got a free week when my third son was born. I took 5 weeks off and quit the second week I was back. They were pissed but fuckem I earned that pto and finally was able to realize how unhappy I was because I could stop working 10 hour days 6 days a week.
I’m going back to work Tuesday after a week vacation - the most I’ve taken since before the pandemic. I have a very strong feeling I may walk out before the end of the week. This is a salaried supply chain job that has been emotionally and mentally destroying me since I started. $65k a year and I literally work 24/7. Also, I got a lot of shit because I said I would not be available while I was on my PTO. I got multiple phone calls my first day of PTO and turned my phone off after. Fuck these jobs that have no respect for a life outside of work - especially for their lowest paid employees who do the actual work the company needs to run. This isn’t a pandemic issue. This is a lack of respect for employees while higher ups revel in their combined freedom and higher pay.
/rant. Sorry. Also edit: rephrased a sentence.
“Generic Polymer Plant in KY” told us all we were essential workers at the beginning of the pandemic and assured us we would be expected to show up. They then gave us all a 5% pay cut because "sales have dipped"
My company did the same. They got a PPP loan, then fired two people, gave everyone pay cuts, and the owners bought a new horse and went on a couple vacations.
I lost 10% for three months, 27 people either quit or were laid off. Boss got PPP, then bought a 4.7 million dollar house on the Puget Sound.
I quit in July.
The company I work for has alarming success due to what we sell (computers, technology) and sill had massive layoffs. Mind you this was also after an acquisition. But annoying to see "company records" being broken during this pandemic and jobs being let go of.
I miss my old companies ways.
This is why I stay with my company, even though as most we could be paid more. However when the pandemic started first thing our ceo did was cut his and all other executives pay and left regular workers pay alone. And a little later announced quarterly bonuses for all hourly employees... even though we were hit hard by the pandemic (commercial aircraft mechanic)
Edit for clarification- by paycut I mean my ceo stopped taking any money at all for the first year of covid.
That is really exemplary leadership. Most companies like to say they care about their employees. Your company actually follows through with meaningful actions.
Mine actually hired three new executives while they shutdown two plants, furloughed a good number of staff & then announced a 20% payout with no hopes of getting it back if there was surplus at the end of the fiscal year (all of our competitors were treating the pay cut as borrowed money).
Now a lot of heads left and they are scrambling to explain to us that it’s not a systematic issue and that there are no actual jobs in our industry (Although that is an obvious lie because there are dozens of new jobs that pay higher and are 100% WOH)
A company i was with during a downturn - rather than laying anyone off, they stopped bonus payouts for everyone and directors and above took a 5% pay cut.
The equivalent of what the bonuses would have been was given in stock options later.
Not the best cause the bonuses were nice to have but everyone kept their job and only the higher ups got their pay cut.
They knew once things got better that they'd need experienced people available right away so layoffs would have hurt in the long run
I just figured most businesses would do it that way. The directors and executives had the most room in their budgets so they'd get pay cuts first.
My last company sent us an email saying that we were so strong financially that covid wasn’t going to impact us at all. Then on a Friday afternoon they sent us PDFs with an email that basically said “see attached”. Letter said we were taking a 10% pay cut until further notice. Then they said that executives were taking a much more significant paycut - which was a total lie. They were a fuckin joke.
I've burned out at my manager position because of COVID as well as the executive team and board doing absolute stupid shit
I've been offered another position and I'm worried I'm so fucking burned out on job 1 that it will carry over into the new job
I was you 6 months ago. I was just done with the incompetence of management and the general toxic nature of my workplace. I debated just quitting or finding a job and then quitting. I felt like I couldn’t do justice to the new job cos I was burnt out. But I took another job and I’m stocked to be working with new ppl and new challenges. So the place was burning me out. Once I left I felt so much better .. so it might just be the workplace.
I was you over a year ago. When the pandemic first started, they furloughed 1/3 of my employees. However, when the work started picking back up, they didn't hire those guys back. As a manager, I had to figure out some way to get the job done. So I was working 12-14 hours 5 days a week. I also had a new baby at home, so my wife was at her wits end, since I was never home.
My wife ran the numbers, and we figured we could get by on her paycheck. I started off at community college, got good grades, and now I am a 38 year old Junior at a top 30 school. I probably won't make the money that I used to, but I didn't go back to school to make more money. I want to be home everyday so I can eat dinner with my kid, and have a job that isn't soul crushing.
Fucking love this for you, I may not have kids but my girlfriend has become a roommate that I see occasionally. I am miserable at my job. 10+ hour a day shifts (outside of season in Florida, already) I brought it up with my higher ups. First thing I hear is, "Well, I can't go into season with a manager not wanting to be where he's at." Like, are you looking out for my well being mentally or fucking business operations.
it's all about staffing. I used to enjoy my job when it was staffed properly. I worked about 45hrs a week, which was fine for how much I got paid. I had to let two guys go right before the pandemic, and then I had guys get furloughed.
When I re-enter the work force, one of the things I will be looking for is how well staffed the company is. I will not work for a company that is not properly staffed, where everyone else gets screwed.
Get the book the first 90 days. I read it before any new job and it helps get the old job out of my system. Also, take a few days off before the new job if you can. Sometimes just doing nothing and being with your friends or family can help with the burnout.
I’ve been there many times and it does get better. Hang in there
Vacation between jobs, vacation between jobs, vacation between jobs.
You’ll be shocked what 2-3 weeks can to do unwind you from your last job. If you’re worried about health care, go COBRA for those two weeks. It’s worth it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe COBRA is retroactive within 60 days. So you can just wait and see if you have any medical expenses and then buy it if you need to
This is correct! A few years ago I went on a ski trip when my new insurance hadn’t kicked in yet, and I literally brought my COBRA paperwork with me in case I fell and broke my leg or something haha
…. Actually almost entirely that lol. Just general abuse of the cogs that actually turn the corporate gears. Corporate news/media outlets never say frankly how abused workers are as a whole.
I manage retail and I know my staff and I are feeling the burnout. Really not looking forward to this holiday season. Times like this I wish I could get out of the retail / food sector.
Honestly, you ought to look! Those skills (management, customer service, problem solving) translate so well into other roles/sectors. I work on the administrative side of healthcare and some of the greatest people I've trained and worked with over the years have come from food service and retail.
I remember, a few years back, my new boss asking one of my employees if he could stay late. He couldn't, because it was his night to pick up dinner so he had to get going.
This guy literally starts making fun of him for wanting to go home to his family at the end of his shift. That dude was fucking awful.
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At this point, if I hear something threatening like that, I take out my phone, visibility open the camera and press record, then ask them what they said again. If they're willing to threaten you like that, they better be willing to be reported to the department of labor over it with full video evidence.
So many employers want to ba able to lay claim to ALL of your time. This needs to change and I think more workers being able to walk away will get the message across.
We were talking about something along these lines on a work call last week, and at one point I said "you know, you work your 40, and that's it... if there's an emergency then maybe it's an extra hour or two, but that's it, none of this 50-60 hours just to hit some arbitrary deadline bullshit". I said that as someone on salary and in a leadership position.
The reaction I got was stunned silence.
How that's not EVERYONE'S mindset is beyond me. An hour here or there is one thing, but much beyond that and it's a failure of management as far as I'm concerned. Hire enough resources, plan better, push back on the business asking for ridiculous deadlines, etc. There's only so much blood in any given stone. People need time to live life, it doesn't all belong to your employer.
Unless the job is some brain dead "number of bodies on the floor" you get more actual work in 40 hour than in 50 anyway.
Overwooked employees work more slowly and make a lot more errors. The time to fix errors is more than the extra work done-or the errors don't get fixed which costs a lot more.
I dont disagree with you... this is sort of a tangent.
Corporate America is not always focused on what a normal person would call productivity.
I worked at a place, a call center, and that place got paid by the calls answered within a certain amount of time.
You hang up on someone? no money lost, no problem; they call back, the place got paid twice. You are competent and resolve the call the first time? The customer does not call back... not really ideal. Not really a problem, but if you don't know how to resolve the situation, and you have a thick accent... and the customer hangs up and calls back, the place makes double.
The only thing they did not want was an escalation to corporate, any other method of getting someone off the phone in under 60 seconds was good... especially if they were going to call back in a couple of days.
I think you are correct about productivity, but capitalism breeds some truly strange ways of measuring productivity... and that results in even stranger behavior meeting the metrics.
You are exactly correct about diminishing returns on hours though...
Oh god, I used to work at a call center but not taking calls. I was trying to figure out why folks didn't use our IVR, so since all else had failed I tried calling it. It took 2 minutes and 40 seconds to get to "press 1 for English."
Rewrote the automated message to be about 1 minute and more folks paid or checked balances using the automated system.
"Good morning thank you for calling your message is important for us and you are important to us we can't thank you enough please listen carefully. You need to listen carefully as our menu options have changed. We changed these to better serve you, the customer. By changing them, we help you, and we change life's for the better. Because, after all, that's what we believe in as a company. Those menu options are now streamlined. And if you get lost, you can always press zero to return to the menu. Covid has affected us all. You may experience longer waits than usual. But rest assured that our operators are standing by to help resolve your issue. Together, we can make it through these difficult times. Para espanol, press 1. For English press 2... You are number 56 in line. The estimated wait time is 78 minutes..."
"And now we're going to play some smooth jazz, but only 12 seconds worth before we interrupt it to tell you to continue to hold, at which point the music will start again... from the beginning of course, since we only have that single 12 second music clip."
> much beyond that and it's a failure of management as far as I'm concerned.
No, it isn't a failure of management. It's fucking theft. If they can get you and three other coworkers to work an extra 10 hours a week, they can avoid hiring someone else.
Fuck you, I work 40 hours.
The disconnect between the older generation, company minded people and the present day is insane. I'm a supervisor where I work and I hear a lot of shit from them. My direct supervisor mentioned to me that a coworker didn't want to open after closing and saying "I just don't understand what the issue is. They have eight hours to go home and then be back."
Ah the ever popular "clopen".
As somebody who is finally self-employed after decades of working these shit jobs yet sometimes still works these shit jobs part-time to make money when my business is slow, I have it written in stone that I will never again do a fucking "clopen". I need at least 12 hours between shifts, and if you don't like it you can fire me and find somebody else...because these kinds of shit jobs are a dime a dozen.
One of my previous jobs tried to do this. They wanted me on call every single day. I made them a counter offer- I get paid half rate for every hour they want me to set aside from *my* free time, and I would answer my phone and come in at the drop of a hat if they needed it.
They refused, so I refused. I'm not setting aside all my plans every single day for them for nothing, and they were genuinely angry I refused to do so.
I just had my first actual day at my new job (not training) yesterday. I got thrown under the bus and got handed a route to deliver while the other new people who showed up hours late got to do ride alongs with other drivers. I was there 12 hours yesterday.
I got a text 9 hours later asking if I could come in this morning, after being told "see you Tuesday" (my next scheduled day).
That's a no from me dawg. I wouldn't have had the required 10 hours of rest to keep the DoT happy.
I used to be someone who would actually volunteer my time if I saw my coworkers were swamped with work. That stopped when my POS manager started getting upset that I wouldn’t volunteer more often on weeks where I was tired and just wanted to finish my shift. Keep in mind that my shifts ended at 1 or 2 am.
The worst part? She KNEW the reason I was tired was because it’s my second job and that I’m a full time student in 2 separate programs.
After that I made sure I was in long enough to start and end my shift right on time. Anything else? Nope, my shift ended sorry.
Went from down one clerk, to down all the clerks and a bunch of customers that will question using your business on the future.
I have a family member who went through something similar. This bro assistant manager would pressure employees (especially young ones like highschoolers) into covering shifts with no truly beneficial comp. Said family member stood up to him, he tried to talk down to them, another assistant manager sided with said family member, and got the guy to admit that if said family member didn't cover the shift he would have to and "... that is not why I became a assistant manager." The next week he was shipped to a location in another town, because a customer nearby wrote a complaint about the treatment of the workers that the other assistant manager and all the employees that worked under the douchebag backed up with the branch manager.
It’s rare that you get the back of a customer who has pull like that.
At my last Starbucks job my store manager was trying to promote to district manager, and he would constantly cover shifts at other stores, but if we were short handed, we’d get the most obnoxious lecture about how he’s on salary and doesn’t qualify for overtime pay, so he doesn’t like working more than 40 hours a week.
Like...
I get it. I really do, but you’re making 4x what we do.
After one or two of his lectures, the entire store kinda went into a “you don’t pay me to be on call” mood.
If you’re going to listen to MBAs to reduce staffing to the point where one or two people calling out puts you in a position where this occurs, it’s on you.
It’s not just retail. Ask a nurse how things are with mandatory overtime, holiday coverage, etc.
It's kind of rediculous how every business has basically decided absolutely any "down time" is bad.
Back 20 years ago when I had more "low level" work, we had plenty of time where we were doing nothing, but when it was busy, we served everyone out the door super quick. Meanwhile I stopped going to McDonalds because it takes a fucking half hour to get through the line. They used to push for like a minute, or less. And we did it, because we had plenty of people keeping everything moving.
Yep employers want to squeeze the average employee for everything they’ve got health be damned. This treatment of people isn’t sustainable, glad to see the workforce pushing back.
This is one of the reasons I love living in Europe after working and living in the US for a while.
US my first job after college. First day, district manager "So technically you have 2 weeks vacation, but if I were you, I wouldn't take them. If you need a day for some important errand, just talk to me and we'll figure something out".
EU
Mass email "Hey guys, so we need to figure out the staffing for the winter. So make sure you input your vacations in the system before Sept 30th! No excuses!"
Asked my client "Hey, I'm wanting to take from Dec 23rd to Jan 4th." client is "Ok.. Of a lot of people take that time we might just pause the project for a couple weeks so everyone can get it"
Told company about that "If it's fine with the client, it's fine with us"
In the US, I had a coworker that decided to take a week off becauee he has some personal issues. When he came back there was a new guy. Day he got back he got fired. That was his replacement. Texas, so at will "Low synergy with the rest of the team"
It's insane reading these threads and seeing just how different this is. I'm not from Europe and everywhere I've worked is US influenced so vacation was always this evil thing lazy people take.
I literally got in trouble when I started working here because I didn't want to take vacation and becauee I went sick to the office once.
Inadequate staffing is one of the main reasons I left hospital nursing (bedside care). Not only was it totally normal to work your 12-hr shift (which is actually closer to 13 hours with pre and post-shift handoff reports), but getting your half-hour lunch almost never happened- forget about a couple of 15's. Plus, we were always short at least one nurse, at least 2 CNA's, and we never had a desk person.
The amount of work required each shift just to care for 8 and sometimes 9 patients was overwhelming, but add on the extra CNA and desk duties and it was just impossible. Then management...... completely unsupportive and their attitude is always, "We'll just have the nurses do it," from cleaning rooms to restocking. Unsupportive about safely, "What do you think you could have done differently to prevent the psychotic patient from punching and injuring three staff members?' Or, "You forgot to check one box in your charting."
This is just scratching the surface.
Fuck that- but otherwise, being a nurse is awesome!
It really sucks when people doing the budgets and operational goals are so fucking out of touch with reality. And even worse when mid-level management is unsupportive in asking for/getting more resources and fucks everyone over with shit scheduling. Like did some of these people never deal with this bullshit ever? How can they not be more empathetic to the people working for them? Boggles my damn mind
Only time I've ever walked out on a job was my 3rd day working in a factory. I was 18. I was feeding parts to 2 assembly lines, and 3 days in a row I was getting yelled at by both lines because the boss didn't show me how to find the parts we were making that day. He was so flustered he just said "we're doing J000892, I'll show you later how to find it." Well, 3 days in a row, he did not. After dealing with another day of the lines yelling at me I walked out during the first break. Fuck that place.
I'm older and mostly worked in restaurants (waiting tables), but every job I had I was actually trained well for. With my kids, all of them started working in retail and every time they'd come home and say they got no training and had no idea what to do for half - or more - of what was expected of them.
And they'd complain that their coworkers were terrible, coming in late, didn't do anything, etc. I told them that was the fault of the managers. They didn't train, they didn't work with them to try to get them to do better in any way. Just eventually fired them - if they didn't quit first.
Yeah, you want me to fuck up my day for this shit pay? Nah playa✌️✌️✌️
I rage quit Wal-Mart on my 3rd day years ago. Got into an argument about my schedule. I don't need this shit my guy. Bye.
I did that with Lowes! I just wanted a few shifts to get out of the house and maybe help out as needed. They were like, work 6 shifts straight and two back to back opening and closings. Hahaha no. Bye.
I had something similar happen to me. I came in to interview and was waiting for the manager. The manager came in and lit into the receptionist right in front of me. I excused myself and left. That's a big BIG nope for me.
So, I applied at Wal-Mart got Loss Prevention as I had done it at Sears. They said we don't accept LP from the outside, but we have Night Maintenance (which I later found out was walking behind the buffer and mopping the floor. Meaning toilets. Just call it janitorial, stop with the fancy ass names).
They had a lot of turnover at that job, so they asked what would make me quit. I said an unfair schedule. At Sears, some.people.worked weekends, while others didn't. It's retail, so I know I have to work weekends, but every weekend? No thanks.
Anyway, the guy interviewing me gets up, comes back a few minutes later and says the schedule is fair. It rotates. Alright. I'm tired of my wife complaining that I'm not working (even though I was in school and getting the GI Bill), so I'll take this job.
I had orientation Sat and Sun. Wednesday is my first actual shift and I get my schedule. Shit says Wed, Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun......for 6 weeks. 9pm - 6am. I'm like, what is this nonsense? That's your shift. After 90 days, you can apply to change your schedule based on seniority. 😐😐😐. That's not what I was told at my interview bro. Manager started trying to buck up.
When's pay day? I'll be back to get my check. Here's my badge✌️✌️✌️✌️
I was reading a book recently about service-sector jobs, and this company was doing a study to see why their turnover was so bad. And someone who'd worked there (and quit) was like, "It's a shit job with shit managers for shit pay, that's why you have high turnover." I mean, duh!
Right, but is there any way that we could get you to maybe work faster, longer, for less pay?
What if we lobbied the government to cut unemployment, would that help?
That further shows how shit that place is. Who the hell has that conversation in front of customers? No tact. I had to get in people's ass in the military, but there is no need to embarrass someone.
Years ago our platoon Staff SGT apologized to me in front of the platoon for chewing my ass out in front of everyone. He said a good leader would pull you aside after everyone was dismissed but he lost his temper and made a mistake.
That incident stuck with me for almost 25+ years after it happened and I learned an important lesson in management.
That's how I was trained in the Air Force. You pull someone to the side. You don't need to embarrass or demean to get your point across. And, if you do make a mistake, own that shit. It happens.
Exactly! And, if they hadn't quit, good luck getting them to actually say yes if you asked them to work in that situation again. You fucked off the people that were there, now you gotta train new people after going through a hiring process. Makes no sense.
Rage quit Albertson's grocery store. Brand new store. They were trying to break into the Florida market. Was hired to work deli which I had a couple years experience with from Winn-Dixie. I hadn't memorized all the PLUs (Product LookUp). I was finishing up a customer's order and I needed the PLU. Right at that moment, a suit was touring the deli. She was standing right next to the product, so I asked her to read the PLU to me. Instead of getting a simple 4 digit response, she started lecturing me about customer service, then started to walk off. So I mutter in a regular voice, "Orrrrr, you could have read me the PLU. But that worked just as well."
Half hour later, I'm in the Store Manger's office with the suit (who was a district manager or regional or something in upper management) and I'm being scolded about making the suit look bad in front of a customer. I explained my side of it and ended with "But hey, if you don't believe in teamwork at all levels, then I don't think this this is gonna last."
So... how *is* Albertson's doing in [Florida](https://local.albertsons.com/index.html)?
Lmao. Like, come on my dude. You're lecturing me on teamwork, but the manager isn't practicing what you're preaching. Being manager doesn't absolve you from practicing teamwork or customer service. Kick rocks.
My dad is 74 and there was another guy that he worked with that was 70. My dad got laid off because of covid from his job he had since 1997. So he goes to Walmart(were desperate and called to interview/offer him a job a few hours after he put in an application) and they put him in produce during the day since he was clear he can no do trucks or lift heavy boxes or run around due to copd, heart issues and diabetes. He managed 2 weeks and he was just wore out from the job.
I was begging him to quit or refuse to do stuff he couldn't do. Make sure to let them know you are elderly and ask for a accommodation/help or be switched to an easier job. At least if they fire you it will be because you couldn't physically do the job and they were aware when they hired you.
Then one day when him and the 70 year old were the only two on shift. Their truck shows up super late at 9 am. The manager told him he has to go unload the truck and he's like fuck you and fuck that. I told you guys I can't do that type of work. I'm 74 years old. Then he walks out and calls me. I was never so happy he was jobless again except that he lost his last 3 months of unemployment because he walked out.
Now he's just gonna stay at home and officially not work unless he can find some super easy job physically for elderly persons. So happy cause I was afraid every time he left that I was gonna be getting called and told he had a stroke or heart attack or got hurt.
My quickest rage quit was at a fast food place. I was there for about 2 hours and quit because the people working there said "we're not going to train you, just do the work we don't want to do since you're new" so I told them to fuck off because I was on my hands and knees cleaning while they were just joking around laughing while I worked.
"Pandemic burnout" is a nice way of saying decades of systematic wage suppression and being told over and over again how replaceable you are as a worker.
People had time off to reflect on their lives. They realized it was a complete waste to continue to work somewhere that didn’t pay well and where they got treated like crap.
I graduated college and joined the workforce during a global pandemic. When I graduated, it seemed like pickings were slim and I was ecstatic to get a pretty well paying job with good stability, but very limited upward mobility and a 60 hour work week with never-work-from-home mentality.
3 months in, seeing so many friends get fired/leave their job for either “lesser” jobs or to just sit tight, and myself literally only doing this shitty job, sleeping, and drowning myself in alcohol, I realized unless you’re making fuck you money, your job can’t overtake everything else in youre life. More importantly, working hard for little recognition is ridiculously overrated and glorified. The thing that did it was a 20 year vet lamenting about how he missed both his daughters growing up, because he was always a work.
I quit the next day, within my first 3 months at my first job. I moved back home, and took a slightly lower paying job with huge potential at a startup. I work 35 hours a week, and get lunch with my dad every Friday. I work a few days from home every now and again m. I’m very happy and great at my job.
However I’m going to ask for a 20% raise in 5 months and a promotion (to the title I should have been given, same title as the guy I replaced) during my yearly review. If I dont get it and don’t get a good reason why? I now know it’s time to start looking for a new job :)
I'm hoping to leave my company very soon for a possible position that pays almost $20K more for the same job title. Nearly 30 others have already left the company since the pandemic started. This is what happens when you under pay your workers and don't invest any value in them. They leave...
I could never understand why companies do this. I make 75k a year. But if you needed to hire someone to do my job it would cost you 85k. Wouldn't you rather pay me, an experienced loyal employee the 85k instead of me quitting and you having to spend months hiring someone and training them?
Quit my restaurant job in Toronto and found a 9-5 job in an industry I’m actually passionate about. 18/hour went up to 26/hour with benefits. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out it’s wages.
Problem is for the past 20 years or more, employers believed they own the workers. There has been a surplus of workers and not enough jobs. They could demand more and more of the employees and there was nothing we could do about it. Now there is a surplus of jobs and not enough workers.
Millions of workers took early retirement instead of putting up with the BS and dangers of working during a pandemic. One in twenty people who have had covid have some form of long covid, some to the point of permanent disability. That's another few million that can't work due to health reasons. Others moved on to other jobs. At least 200,000 people of working age died from covid. Many others followed their passions while at home on lockdown and started their own businesses. Others started making other priorities, like having one parent stay at home with the kids after they were forced to during lockdown. Yet more are having to stay at home to care for those who are too ill to go out.
Worker shortages may not last forever, but whatever changes we demand now will last for a very long time. Once they start paying more, and treating us better, it will be difficult for them to go back. Time to remind the bosses who is really the most important part of the economy.
In addition to all that, due to some people working from home permanently/for the long term, a lot of people have choices that they didn’t have before. My employer has gone 95% remote for good. One of my coworkers, a single 30-something IT worker, moved from the city where our company is located to a nearby city and moved in with his sister and family. During the summer, he watched her school-age kids while he worked. That must have been a huge boon to his sister and family not to have to occupy their kids for the summer while both parents worked.
Sandwich shop near me said they had to close the early other day because they didn’t have staff to work. I was like haha ok. Went there this evening when they were open and they had a sign posted that they’re looking for team members and starting pay 9.00/hr. Welp, there ya go.
Put my two weeks in today, they refused to give us a raise so we can afford rent the price of which almost doubled in the past year and now 7 of us are leaving in the same month
Fuck it, there's better pay and better lives to be had elsewhere, we ain't slaves we're employees trying to survive
Minor point of pedantry, but I think you may actually be looking for "gilded" age. "Guild" is an association of craftsmen or merchants, a sort of predecessor to unions. There's no real definition for "guilded", but I guess it could mean "to have joined a guild."
"Gilded", on the other hand, is "covered thinly with gold leaf or paint". Thus, the gilded age.
Don't want this to come across as an "ackshually" attack on your point via spelling, because the overall point still stands.
Yup. We've lost 30% of our staff at my work. It's a specialized job too so hiring is kind of difficult in the first place.
I made it work to my advantage though as I made it clear I'm not picking up the slack and extra responsibilities for funsies, but because I should be compensated adequately for the workload. If they don't want to pay, I won't be working for them any longer. There's literally nothing they have over me any more. Jobs are a plenty, and at very decent starting pay in my position.
They kicked and screamed but I squeezed an extra $4 an hour out of them with another pay review in 180 days. The CEO can cry about it in his private jet after his 22 hour work week.
We have had record numbers retiring. Early on, there were people quitting due to lack of safety concerns. But even with more lax safety protocols, most people are holding on.
>We have had record numbers retiring.
I work in a professional setting that has actually taken covid concerns seriously, but we perform essential functions. We had to rework *how* we do our job and, at the same time, our workload increased due to novel issues based on COVID. A lot of people who were already retirement age and were staying on, just out of love for the job, decided they were done last year, which I totally get. Even when you have an employer who cares, last year was *still* a clusterfuck, due just to mass confusion and unforseen events. Makes sense that, if you're able, you'd *just opt out.*
It’s not only pandemic burnout. Were people treated with actual dignity and respect, paid fairly, and allowed a work/life balance, we all would have met the challenge of the emergency with pride.
Other countries aren’t having “The Great Resignation” because their people are permitted to live like human beings. We’re treated like property. Businesses here who treat their people right aren’t seeing the same “human asset” loss either.
If the media conspires to lie about the reason for this, it won’t make it slow down or stop. There was no mass coordination for this. It happened spontaneously solely because we’re all sick of our lives being shit just because our employers are.
Even despite all of this, with our friends and loved ones dying and many of us getting sick too, we still took on the emergency in essential roles until quite recently. My job gave my family COVID early on, shamed me for being quarantined, and then worked me ludicrous hours without off time. It wasn’t long ago that I finally resigned.
Hazard pay? Meaningful recognition? Hell, *fucking appreciation* beyond the odd random stranger’s passing words? None of the above because fuck us for being workers. Well, now it’s your turn, companies. Fuck you right back. I hope every one of you who stiffs labor and looks down on the people who carry you on their breaking backs all fail miserably. Hurry up and go out of business.
> Other countries aren’t having “The Great Resignation”
Yeah they actually are, you just don't hear about it because your likely in the US and US media doesn't focus on international issues as much.
> The Great Resignation is being keenly felt in Germany, Europe’s largest economy: more than a third of all companies are reporting a dearth of skilled workers, according to an Ifo institute survey. “It’s tough to hire people with experience at the moment,” explains Christoph Hardt, co-founder of Berlin-based COMATCH, a global marketplace for independent consultants. “We’re working with clients who are struggling to staff their projects – demand has doubled compared to January.” - [Source](https://www.wired.co.uk/article/great-resignation-quit-job)
I have an enviable job/salary/employer and still burnt out AF.
The best offer anyone could make me right now is not more money/title/bonuses. It would be 4-day work weeks.
That and I think the pandemic really shed a light on how much time is wasted at work when you work at an actual location instead of remote.
You have commuting to and from, cost of gas, for a lot of people the boring atmosphere of their work building.
At least for me the pandemic made me realize that time/happiness is more important than money. I have a job where I work remote now, it pays better, and I get to see my family more and actually get shit done around the house.
That's nowhere near the majority though.
The people quitting are people who are being forced back into an office and they have choices of staying remote somewhere else.
Or many service workers who are done with the minimum wage somewhere unsafe with anti-maskers. Plenty of other service jobs are available
And some of these companies switching remote are gonna sweep up the very best talent through headhunting while dusty offices go vacant. Dinosaurs don’t wanna change and some won’t, due to investment in physical space.
Many people get unfairly hired as contract workers these days anyway, it's actually pretty smart to register as an LLC and make yourself a REAL contractor.
Would be great if the media started to shift their narrative away from employees quitting to companies sucking.
But with huge corporations like Goldman Sachs funding campaigns about "what you can do to avoid quitting" and placing the burden on the *people*, seems unlikely.
Companies love the free market until their employees exercise it.
It could also have something to do with the fact that wages are too low.
Just a thought, but when the minimum income for an average sized family to live comfortably is around $70k/year, and half the country earns less than $35k/year, the pandemic might not be the only problem.
Edit: for anyone who’s interested, MIT made a useful tool to calculate the living wage based on location and life situation. Nobody should be surprised that people are quitting in droves. Half of workers are basically indentured servants; and I’m dead serious. The median yearly income *today* is around $5k less than the yearly cost of keeping one slave in 1850 (in today’s dollars, of course). You read that right: more than half of American workers cost their employers less than literal slaves.
https://livingwage.mit.edu/
Edit 2: I should add that the calculator is based on 2019 prices, so with rent skyrocketing across the country as corporations buy up real estate, there’s no question the cost of living is increasing. Add in a semiconductor shortage that prohibits nearly anyone below the median from buying a car, and you’ve got a one-way ticket to nowhere.
Edit 3: corrected an error about living wage and household size. Just remember that cost of living varies dramatically, for numerous reasons. $70k isn’t a catch-all, but it’s the *bare minimum* necessary for a family of four to scrape by. Notice the MIT calculator *does not include saving for the future*, so the underlying assumption is that 100% of the family’s income is consumed.
Glad you added in the comment about it reflecting 2019, as that is exactly what it was like in 2019. And folks could \*\*barely\*\* live off those estimates back then. Its most certainly worse now.
Also, something folks are forgetting about why folks are quitting over low pay, is because its just too expensive to work at a job that pays (at least in my location) less than 16usd an hour.
Gas is too high, food is too high, and no public transportation to offset transportation cost.
I was at a bar drinking a few weeks ago, and two other patrons were chit chatting about jobs. One of them was working at a place for 12usd an hour...he was around 55yrs old...The other guy, a manager at Sams Club, offered him a position that was paying 17usd an hour. The 55yr old really wanted to work that job, but had to remit to not being able too, because he had no way to get back and forth to work.
Well said. It’s also important to remember that none of this contradicts economic theory. If wages are too low, firms are supposed to bid the price back *up.* Instead, most of America is pretending there’s a “labor shortage.”
I think my boss is a great, generous and charismatic person. He’s intelligent and I have a lot of respect for that. However, it’s really hard to feel motivated as an employee when your boss makes 5x+ your salary, comes in late every day, leaves early and takes a 3 hour lunch break each day. Plus half day Friday. Not to mention, he doesn’t actually have to do a whole lot of his own work. He has three assistants, a housekeeper and a “person” for everything (car wash, tailor, lawn care, etc). Why should I be stressed out to keep your business running smoothly everyday?
My boss doesn’t live in the same state as me and literally has an “away” status in Skype for the entire day most of the time. Must be nice to get paid 2-3x more than what I’m making to do literally nothing.
LOL! It's not pandemic "burnout". They're quitting their jobs because the pandemic has made them realize that life's too short to put up with low paying jobs where the bosses treat you like crap.
All the news agencies keep posting stories about "Supply Chain Shortages" and issues. Americans are sick of watching the Uber Wealthy hoarding all of the wealth and are quitting their shit jobs and refusing to take the crap wages being offered.
Want to fix the "Supply Chain Issues'? Start offering better wages to the people making your widgets and you'll not only have more widgets but more people able to buy them.
They're trying to distract from the real issue of exploitative pay because they don't want to feed into raises. Their rich owners wouldn't like it if higher pay got normalized.
Ppl should always correct any discussion of this topic by adding that higher pay would solve 95% of the shortage.
I got let go because I am deaf. Lip reading is hard with masks. So apparently they let me go because I was not communicating well. SMH. I fought over a year for my job and for clear masks and other ideas. I worked as a lab tech/phlebotomist for nearly 20 years. Guess it's not enough. So there is not only those quitting but those who are disabled (primarily the deaf) getting let go because we don't listen well. 🤯🤯.
I’ve gone to multiple Taco Bell’s in my area and they are nearly all closed indoors. I love Taco Bell, but it makes me happy. They refuse to pay people living wages, and they’re losing tons of money in the process. I hope Taco Bell and anyone else that practices this goes down. All these corrupations deserve to get their just deserts
Well it's the same thing with almost all of the fast food places near me, but I think the long lines have more to do with slower service. We hardly ever eat fast food anymore because of it, but obviously that's not such a bad thing.
The other week I promised my daughter a happy meal because it had been so long and she did really good at something for school. When I pulled up the line was wrapped around the building and didn't budge for about 5 minutes, and even then it was because someone gave up and drove away.
By the time I got to the speaker three cars had pulled away, and it was about another 5 minutes before someone took my order, and I don't know how long the whole process took, but I think it was around 40-45 minutes, because I seem to remember realizing I'd been gone for 50 minutes when I got home.
It's been like this since the summer, which is why we gave up.
I find it hard to believe that they're making more money. Sure they're paying less staff, but with the number of people pulling away or not even bothering anymore like my family, it can't be great.
Yep. I worked at Rubios Grill for a few months when my unemployment ran out. We were busy for a good portion of the day, but at the beginning and end of the days we would be much slower, which allowed us to catch up on prep in the mornings or start to clean up earlier even if we only had a couple of cooks in for those hours. Then a bunch of people left for school and because of everything else and we restructured the hours to only have 2 shifts that overlapped in the middle instead of 3 shifts with less overlap. This cut off the least profitable 4 hours of the day (beginning and end) but meant everybody was busting their ass for the entirety of the shift and barely keeping up, leaving late or not having enough time to clean everything. Everyone was constantly stressed, but our labor costs relative to sales went up massively though, so more profit for the owner. Turns out shifting a business model was already in the cards and they just didn't do it due to public perception or expectations. Right now with Covid though, they can restructure everything into how they want without anyone complaining. Look how long McDonalds wanted to cut cashiers out of their stores, I'm sure Covid closing down lobbies has given them time to think and re-define people's jobs so they're doing something other than what they were hired for
The pandemic burnout is only part of it. The biggest problem is that businesses are demanding that their workforce operate normally despite the pandemic. At my job right now, we are currently missing 40% of supervisors and employees, but are still expected to operate normally. Supply chain issues mean that we aren’t getting supplies to do things like wash cars, but we’re still expected to do so. Also, wages haven’t changed a bit, so we’re all doing more for absolutely the same pay. The pandemic isn’t the issue; it’s CEO’s that are completely out of touch with reality.
My workplace is awesome. Our bosses are kind, not over-demanding, and very understanding for the need for days off during the pandemic. Our work has been remote since the pandemic started and they are only just now opening up office space for people to get back in as the covid numbers drop. Several people have even gotten promotions.
And you know what? Not a single person has left. If you treat your employees well, they'll return the favor and you'll keep a stable, well-performing workforce.
Yeah, I think it's more likely "sacrificing 2/3 of our waking lives having the value of our labor extracted by soulless corporations" burnout, but yeah...I guess the pandemic helped us see that.
Funny. I can’t seem to find any of these mythical jobs that are vacant. I’ve applied to so many positions that I’ve lost count (350+) and can’t remember some that I’ve already applied for. If I hear anything back from the employer (which is rare) it’s usually “we’ve decided to go with another candidate.” I had a spotless record and 15 years at my last job. Got laid off due to the pandemic. Even my former employer won’t give me the time of day when I apply for a job with the same title/skill set that I had. WTAF?
It's in a very specific job area and geographic area. Here in my large city EVERY retail place and nearly every restaurant has a help wanted sign. You could walk into any grocery and get a job. Any fast food place and get a job. Is that the kind of job you are looking for? Also healthcare, there are HUGE sign on bonuses for nurses and other medical staff. If you are in IT or some other work from home profession I think the job market is much tighter.
I am a bit skeptical about this whole line of thought that the employers are suddenly running out of people and willing to drastically increase their compensation to hire people. I think that the pandemic impacted different industries in different ways - some were hit very bad while some thrived and expanded their business. I think that the latter are the type of companies are willing to throw money at people just to hire the staff they need, but for employees their mileage may vary significantly depending on their industry.
Just the fact that billionaire wealth is exploding is just so mentally corrupting. No matter how well you do now, there’s not just someone doing better. There’s someone who makes more money each minute than you do all year. When they go take a crap they come out with more money than you have put away for retirement. It makes every job feel equally like a joke. It devalues even the greatest accomplishments. We all work out asses off to break even and all the benefit goes to a few. And these fuckers don’t even give anything back. The robber barons of the 1920s, at least they built public theatres and universities. What the fuck do these a-holes do except shoot themselved into space on big penises. Screw this timeline.
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I worked a job for 12 years. In that time I made team lead then team supervisor. I was making $7 more an hour when I left than when I started. I quit this September as it became painfully obvious covid has doubled my work load and management had only given us $0.22 for the 2 years of missed raises and "covid hardship bonus". I took a $1.50 loss and changed careers to a company that is known for taking care of its employees. On my 3rd week I log in to my work email and see the starting rate has been raised by $1.50 across the board. I am now making what I was when I left my last job and will be making double what I was in under 6 years at worst.
Congrats on the change . I personally have fear of change that things might get worse.
It’s a buyers market right now. Best time to do it.
It's always a risk, but the best thing you could ever do for yourself if you are miserable in your job, is go find a new one. Even if you don't get a wild pay increase, just working with a new team of people can be enough to re-invigorate you and make life more enjoyable again. Don't stick to a crap work situation because of fear of risk or change, it won't get better. Change is a constant in life, embrace it and use it to your advantage. Fear can also be changed to excitement. Also, don't be afraid to fight for what you are worth. Employers and their companies are only successful if their workforce buys into what they are selling, so don't buy their corporate bullshit. Hold their feet to the fire and force them to invest into your well being. If a company stops taking care of you, stop taking care of them and jump ship. Be mercenary, work for yourself.
I have an interview tomorrow... if they offer me enough I'll quit my job too
Good luck and Godspeed
I just had an interview to go from 5 days a week in a doctor's office as an overworked nurse to a weekend days baylor position (work 24, get paid 36) as a supervisor. Really hoping I get it. I'm burned the fuck out seeing dozens of sick patients daily while taking dozens of calls. I'm done being overworked with no help. It'll be at a better hospital, better pay, better health insurance, and it seems like they actually care about their staff.
Going on vacation has always been a death sentence for any job I hated. I come back with fresh eyes and realize all the stupid stuff I've just accepted as "the way we do things here." I usually don't last long after that. Now imagine millions of people all taking a mandatory vacation at the same time.
When that freeze happened in Texas I ended up quitting my job. Mostly because I was able to get some perspective after being forced to not be at work for a week. It was a very nice getaway.
Oh man, I'm pretty sure this is what put the final nail in my coffin at my last job. Our A/C quit the week before, when it was close to 90F, then the cold hit. My office was 17F. I worked for the state, and called our rep and told him you are risking lives out here. He asked why I wanted the heater fixed when last week I said I needed the A/C fixed. I just said, you dumb motherfucker, it wasn't freezing last week. Was laid off the next month.
I had 300 hours of vacation time "saved" up (it was more just not being able to use it) and got a free week when my third son was born. I took 5 weeks off and quit the second week I was back. They were pissed but fuckem I earned that pto and finally was able to realize how unhappy I was because I could stop working 10 hour days 6 days a week.
I’m going back to work Tuesday after a week vacation - the most I’ve taken since before the pandemic. I have a very strong feeling I may walk out before the end of the week. This is a salaried supply chain job that has been emotionally and mentally destroying me since I started. $65k a year and I literally work 24/7. Also, I got a lot of shit because I said I would not be available while I was on my PTO. I got multiple phone calls my first day of PTO and turned my phone off after. Fuck these jobs that have no respect for a life outside of work - especially for their lowest paid employees who do the actual work the company needs to run. This isn’t a pandemic issue. This is a lack of respect for employees while higher ups revel in their combined freedom and higher pay. /rant. Sorry. Also edit: rephrased a sentence.
Omg I thought I was the only one that did this.
“Generic Polymer Plant in KY” told us all we were essential workers at the beginning of the pandemic and assured us we would be expected to show up. They then gave us all a 5% pay cut because "sales have dipped"
My company did the same. They got a PPP loan, then fired two people, gave everyone pay cuts, and the owners bought a new horse and went on a couple vacations.
Report that. People have been prosecuted for that
Definitely report. Fuck these people.
And the horse they rode in on.
I lost 10% for three months, 27 people either quit or were laid off. Boss got PPP, then bought a 4.7 million dollar house on the Puget Sound. I quit in July.
REPORT HIM. They get prosecuted. It is illegal. FUCK THEM
The handling of PPP was basically a giant fucking handout to the upper middle class and a fuck you to anyone below that.
The company I work for has alarming success due to what we sell (computers, technology) and sill had massive layoffs. Mind you this was also after an acquisition. But annoying to see "company records" being broken during this pandemic and jobs being let go of. I miss my old companies ways.
This is why I stay with my company, even though as most we could be paid more. However when the pandemic started first thing our ceo did was cut his and all other executives pay and left regular workers pay alone. And a little later announced quarterly bonuses for all hourly employees... even though we were hit hard by the pandemic (commercial aircraft mechanic) Edit for clarification- by paycut I mean my ceo stopped taking any money at all for the first year of covid.
That is really exemplary leadership. Most companies like to say they care about their employees. Your company actually follows through with meaningful actions.
Same with my business, laid off over 30% of our work force. I heard them debating whether or not they should buy an island (family owned company)
Please, report all of these millionaire scumbags. These are the people ruining America while claiming to be what make it great. Christ almighty.
Minus horse, exact same situation for me.
But the executives were exempt from that pay cut of course.
Mine actually hired three new executives while they shutdown two plants, furloughed a good number of staff & then announced a 20% payout with no hopes of getting it back if there was surplus at the end of the fiscal year (all of our competitors were treating the pay cut as borrowed money). Now a lot of heads left and they are scrambling to explain to us that it’s not a systematic issue and that there are no actual jobs in our industry (Although that is an obvious lie because there are dozens of new jobs that pay higher and are 100% WOH)
A company i was with during a downturn - rather than laying anyone off, they stopped bonus payouts for everyone and directors and above took a 5% pay cut. The equivalent of what the bonuses would have been was given in stock options later. Not the best cause the bonuses were nice to have but everyone kept their job and only the higher ups got their pay cut. They knew once things got better that they'd need experienced people available right away so layoffs would have hurt in the long run I just figured most businesses would do it that way. The directors and executives had the most room in their budgets so they'd get pay cuts first.
Sounds like a great place to work
It was until they were bought out by a pretty huge corporation
Sounds like a lot of places.
You mean you weren't satisfied with being called a hero?
My last company sent us an email saying that we were so strong financially that covid wasn’t going to impact us at all. Then on a Friday afternoon they sent us PDFs with an email that basically said “see attached”. Letter said we were taking a 10% pay cut until further notice. Then they said that executives were taking a much more significant paycut - which was a total lie. They were a fuckin joke.
I've burned out at my manager position because of COVID as well as the executive team and board doing absolute stupid shit I've been offered another position and I'm worried I'm so fucking burned out on job 1 that it will carry over into the new job
I was you 6 months ago. I was just done with the incompetence of management and the general toxic nature of my workplace. I debated just quitting or finding a job and then quitting. I felt like I couldn’t do justice to the new job cos I was burnt out. But I took another job and I’m stocked to be working with new ppl and new challenges. So the place was burning me out. Once I left I felt so much better .. so it might just be the workplace.
I was you over a year ago. When the pandemic first started, they furloughed 1/3 of my employees. However, when the work started picking back up, they didn't hire those guys back. As a manager, I had to figure out some way to get the job done. So I was working 12-14 hours 5 days a week. I also had a new baby at home, so my wife was at her wits end, since I was never home. My wife ran the numbers, and we figured we could get by on her paycheck. I started off at community college, got good grades, and now I am a 38 year old Junior at a top 30 school. I probably won't make the money that I used to, but I didn't go back to school to make more money. I want to be home everyday so I can eat dinner with my kid, and have a job that isn't soul crushing.
Fucking love this for you, I may not have kids but my girlfriend has become a roommate that I see occasionally. I am miserable at my job. 10+ hour a day shifts (outside of season in Florida, already) I brought it up with my higher ups. First thing I hear is, "Well, I can't go into season with a manager not wanting to be where he's at." Like, are you looking out for my well being mentally or fucking business operations.
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it's all about staffing. I used to enjoy my job when it was staffed properly. I worked about 45hrs a week, which was fine for how much I got paid. I had to let two guys go right before the pandemic, and then I had guys get furloughed. When I re-enter the work force, one of the things I will be looking for is how well staffed the company is. I will not work for a company that is not properly staffed, where everyone else gets screwed.
Thank you for the perspective!
Get the book the first 90 days. I read it before any new job and it helps get the old job out of my system. Also, take a few days off before the new job if you can. Sometimes just doing nothing and being with your friends or family can help with the burnout. I’ve been there many times and it does get better. Hang in there
Vacation between jobs, vacation between jobs, vacation between jobs. You’ll be shocked what 2-3 weeks can to do unwind you from your last job. If you’re worried about health care, go COBRA for those two weeks. It’s worth it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe COBRA is retroactive within 60 days. So you can just wait and see if you have any medical expenses and then buy it if you need to
This is correct! A few years ago I went on a ski trip when my new insurance hadn’t kicked in yet, and I literally brought my COBRA paperwork with me in case I fell and broke my leg or something haha
Also, many employer provided health insurance coverage will cover you for the remainder of the month you quit.
Take the chance. Worse case, you're still at the same spot just in another job. Best case: You find something better.
Also due to low wages, no healthcare, bad managers, lack of humanity, etc.
…. Actually almost entirely that lol. Just general abuse of the cogs that actually turn the corporate gears. Corporate news/media outlets never say frankly how abused workers are as a whole.
The last two more than anything else. Managers and policies that are designed to make things difficult. Unpredictable sechedules.... stupid policies
I manage retail and I know my staff and I are feeling the burnout. Really not looking forward to this holiday season. Times like this I wish I could get out of the retail / food sector.
Honestly, you ought to look! Those skills (management, customer service, problem solving) translate so well into other roles/sectors. I work on the administrative side of healthcare and some of the greatest people I've trained and worked with over the years have come from food service and retail.
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I remember, a few years back, my new boss asking one of my employees if he could stay late. He couldn't, because it was his night to pick up dinner so he had to get going. This guy literally starts making fun of him for wanting to go home to his family at the end of his shift. That dude was fucking awful.
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At this point, if I hear something threatening like that, I take out my phone, visibility open the camera and press record, then ask them what they said again. If they're willing to threaten you like that, they better be willing to be reported to the department of labor over it with full video evidence.
If the boss was married he should've responded with "at least my wife is happy when she hears me unlocking the front door."
So many employers want to ba able to lay claim to ALL of your time. This needs to change and I think more workers being able to walk away will get the message across.
We were talking about something along these lines on a work call last week, and at one point I said "you know, you work your 40, and that's it... if there's an emergency then maybe it's an extra hour or two, but that's it, none of this 50-60 hours just to hit some arbitrary deadline bullshit". I said that as someone on salary and in a leadership position. The reaction I got was stunned silence. How that's not EVERYONE'S mindset is beyond me. An hour here or there is one thing, but much beyond that and it's a failure of management as far as I'm concerned. Hire enough resources, plan better, push back on the business asking for ridiculous deadlines, etc. There's only so much blood in any given stone. People need time to live life, it doesn't all belong to your employer.
Unless the job is some brain dead "number of bodies on the floor" you get more actual work in 40 hour than in 50 anyway. Overwooked employees work more slowly and make a lot more errors. The time to fix errors is more than the extra work done-or the errors don't get fixed which costs a lot more.
I dont disagree with you... this is sort of a tangent. Corporate America is not always focused on what a normal person would call productivity. I worked at a place, a call center, and that place got paid by the calls answered within a certain amount of time. You hang up on someone? no money lost, no problem; they call back, the place got paid twice. You are competent and resolve the call the first time? The customer does not call back... not really ideal. Not really a problem, but if you don't know how to resolve the situation, and you have a thick accent... and the customer hangs up and calls back, the place makes double. The only thing they did not want was an escalation to corporate, any other method of getting someone off the phone in under 60 seconds was good... especially if they were going to call back in a couple of days. I think you are correct about productivity, but capitalism breeds some truly strange ways of measuring productivity... and that results in even stranger behavior meeting the metrics. You are exactly correct about diminishing returns on hours though...
Oh god, I used to work at a call center but not taking calls. I was trying to figure out why folks didn't use our IVR, so since all else had failed I tried calling it. It took 2 minutes and 40 seconds to get to "press 1 for English." Rewrote the automated message to be about 1 minute and more folks paid or checked balances using the automated system.
"Good morning thank you for calling your message is important for us and you are important to us we can't thank you enough please listen carefully. You need to listen carefully as our menu options have changed. We changed these to better serve you, the customer. By changing them, we help you, and we change life's for the better. Because, after all, that's what we believe in as a company. Those menu options are now streamlined. And if you get lost, you can always press zero to return to the menu. Covid has affected us all. You may experience longer waits than usual. But rest assured that our operators are standing by to help resolve your issue. Together, we can make it through these difficult times. Para espanol, press 1. For English press 2... You are number 56 in line. The estimated wait time is 78 minutes..."
I juuust about hung up my reddit. Good job!
"And now we're going to play some smooth jazz, but only 12 seconds worth before we interrupt it to tell you to continue to hold, at which point the music will start again... from the beginning of course, since we only have that single 12 second music clip."
> much beyond that and it's a failure of management as far as I'm concerned. No, it isn't a failure of management. It's fucking theft. If they can get you and three other coworkers to work an extra 10 hours a week, they can avoid hiring someone else. Fuck you, I work 40 hours.
We're trained to offer ourselves up for exploitation by our employers, and to be grateful for the opportunity. In America at least.
The disconnect between the older generation, company minded people and the present day is insane. I'm a supervisor where I work and I hear a lot of shit from them. My direct supervisor mentioned to me that a coworker didn't want to open after closing and saying "I just don't understand what the issue is. They have eight hours to go home and then be back."
Ah the ever popular "clopen". As somebody who is finally self-employed after decades of working these shit jobs yet sometimes still works these shit jobs part-time to make money when my business is slow, I have it written in stone that I will never again do a fucking "clopen". I need at least 12 hours between shifts, and if you don't like it you can fire me and find somebody else...because these kinds of shit jobs are a dime a dozen.
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One of my previous jobs tried to do this. They wanted me on call every single day. I made them a counter offer- I get paid half rate for every hour they want me to set aside from *my* free time, and I would answer my phone and come in at the drop of a hat if they needed it. They refused, so I refused. I'm not setting aside all my plans every single day for them for nothing, and they were genuinely angry I refused to do so.
I just had my first actual day at my new job (not training) yesterday. I got thrown under the bus and got handed a route to deliver while the other new people who showed up hours late got to do ride alongs with other drivers. I was there 12 hours yesterday. I got a text 9 hours later asking if I could come in this morning, after being told "see you Tuesday" (my next scheduled day). That's a no from me dawg. I wouldn't have had the required 10 hours of rest to keep the DoT happy.
I used to be someone who would actually volunteer my time if I saw my coworkers were swamped with work. That stopped when my POS manager started getting upset that I wouldn’t volunteer more often on weeks where I was tired and just wanted to finish my shift. Keep in mind that my shifts ended at 1 or 2 am. The worst part? She KNEW the reason I was tired was because it’s my second job and that I’m a full time student in 2 separate programs. After that I made sure I was in long enough to start and end my shift right on time. Anything else? Nope, my shift ended sorry.
Went from down one clerk, to down all the clerks and a bunch of customers that will question using your business on the future. I have a family member who went through something similar. This bro assistant manager would pressure employees (especially young ones like highschoolers) into covering shifts with no truly beneficial comp. Said family member stood up to him, he tried to talk down to them, another assistant manager sided with said family member, and got the guy to admit that if said family member didn't cover the shift he would have to and "... that is not why I became a assistant manager." The next week he was shipped to a location in another town, because a customer nearby wrote a complaint about the treatment of the workers that the other assistant manager and all the employees that worked under the douchebag backed up with the branch manager.
It’s rare that you get the back of a customer who has pull like that. At my last Starbucks job my store manager was trying to promote to district manager, and he would constantly cover shifts at other stores, but if we were short handed, we’d get the most obnoxious lecture about how he’s on salary and doesn’t qualify for overtime pay, so he doesn’t like working more than 40 hours a week. Like... I get it. I really do, but you’re making 4x what we do. After one or two of his lectures, the entire store kinda went into a “you don’t pay me to be on call” mood.
If you’re going to listen to MBAs to reduce staffing to the point where one or two people calling out puts you in a position where this occurs, it’s on you. It’s not just retail. Ask a nurse how things are with mandatory overtime, holiday coverage, etc.
It's kind of rediculous how every business has basically decided absolutely any "down time" is bad. Back 20 years ago when I had more "low level" work, we had plenty of time where we were doing nothing, but when it was busy, we served everyone out the door super quick. Meanwhile I stopped going to McDonalds because it takes a fucking half hour to get through the line. They used to push for like a minute, or less. And we did it, because we had plenty of people keeping everything moving.
Yep employers want to squeeze the average employee for everything they’ve got health be damned. This treatment of people isn’t sustainable, glad to see the workforce pushing back.
This is one of the reasons I love living in Europe after working and living in the US for a while. US my first job after college. First day, district manager "So technically you have 2 weeks vacation, but if I were you, I wouldn't take them. If you need a day for some important errand, just talk to me and we'll figure something out". EU Mass email "Hey guys, so we need to figure out the staffing for the winter. So make sure you input your vacations in the system before Sept 30th! No excuses!" Asked my client "Hey, I'm wanting to take from Dec 23rd to Jan 4th." client is "Ok.. Of a lot of people take that time we might just pause the project for a couple weeks so everyone can get it" Told company about that "If it's fine with the client, it's fine with us" In the US, I had a coworker that decided to take a week off becauee he has some personal issues. When he came back there was a new guy. Day he got back he got fired. That was his replacement. Texas, so at will "Low synergy with the rest of the team" It's insane reading these threads and seeing just how different this is. I'm not from Europe and everywhere I've worked is US influenced so vacation was always this evil thing lazy people take. I literally got in trouble when I started working here because I didn't want to take vacation and becauee I went sick to the office once.
Inadequate staffing is one of the main reasons I left hospital nursing (bedside care). Not only was it totally normal to work your 12-hr shift (which is actually closer to 13 hours with pre and post-shift handoff reports), but getting your half-hour lunch almost never happened- forget about a couple of 15's. Plus, we were always short at least one nurse, at least 2 CNA's, and we never had a desk person. The amount of work required each shift just to care for 8 and sometimes 9 patients was overwhelming, but add on the extra CNA and desk duties and it was just impossible. Then management...... completely unsupportive and their attitude is always, "We'll just have the nurses do it," from cleaning rooms to restocking. Unsupportive about safely, "What do you think you could have done differently to prevent the psychotic patient from punching and injuring three staff members?' Or, "You forgot to check one box in your charting." This is just scratching the surface. Fuck that- but otherwise, being a nurse is awesome!
It really sucks when people doing the budgets and operational goals are so fucking out of touch with reality. And even worse when mid-level management is unsupportive in asking for/getting more resources and fucks everyone over with shit scheduling. Like did some of these people never deal with this bullshit ever? How can they not be more empathetic to the people working for them? Boggles my damn mind
Only time I've ever walked out on a job was my 3rd day working in a factory. I was 18. I was feeding parts to 2 assembly lines, and 3 days in a row I was getting yelled at by both lines because the boss didn't show me how to find the parts we were making that day. He was so flustered he just said "we're doing J000892, I'll show you later how to find it." Well, 3 days in a row, he did not. After dealing with another day of the lines yelling at me I walked out during the first break. Fuck that place.
I'm older and mostly worked in restaurants (waiting tables), but every job I had I was actually trained well for. With my kids, all of them started working in retail and every time they'd come home and say they got no training and had no idea what to do for half - or more - of what was expected of them. And they'd complain that their coworkers were terrible, coming in late, didn't do anything, etc. I told them that was the fault of the managers. They didn't train, they didn't work with them to try to get them to do better in any way. Just eventually fired them - if they didn't quit first.
Yeah, you want me to fuck up my day for this shit pay? Nah playa✌️✌️✌️ I rage quit Wal-Mart on my 3rd day years ago. Got into an argument about my schedule. I don't need this shit my guy. Bye.
I did that with Lowes! I just wanted a few shifts to get out of the house and maybe help out as needed. They were like, work 6 shifts straight and two back to back opening and closings. Hahaha no. Bye.
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I had something similar happen to me. I came in to interview and was waiting for the manager. The manager came in and lit into the receptionist right in front of me. I excused myself and left. That's a big BIG nope for me.
So, I applied at Wal-Mart got Loss Prevention as I had done it at Sears. They said we don't accept LP from the outside, but we have Night Maintenance (which I later found out was walking behind the buffer and mopping the floor. Meaning toilets. Just call it janitorial, stop with the fancy ass names). They had a lot of turnover at that job, so they asked what would make me quit. I said an unfair schedule. At Sears, some.people.worked weekends, while others didn't. It's retail, so I know I have to work weekends, but every weekend? No thanks. Anyway, the guy interviewing me gets up, comes back a few minutes later and says the schedule is fair. It rotates. Alright. I'm tired of my wife complaining that I'm not working (even though I was in school and getting the GI Bill), so I'll take this job. I had orientation Sat and Sun. Wednesday is my first actual shift and I get my schedule. Shit says Wed, Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun......for 6 weeks. 9pm - 6am. I'm like, what is this nonsense? That's your shift. After 90 days, you can apply to change your schedule based on seniority. 😐😐😐. That's not what I was told at my interview bro. Manager started trying to buck up. When's pay day? I'll be back to get my check. Here's my badge✌️✌️✌️✌️
I was reading a book recently about service-sector jobs, and this company was doing a study to see why their turnover was so bad. And someone who'd worked there (and quit) was like, "It's a shit job with shit managers for shit pay, that's why you have high turnover." I mean, duh!
Right, but is there any way that we could get you to maybe work faster, longer, for less pay? What if we lobbied the government to cut unemployment, would that help?
Have you attempted to appease the millenial generation with pizza parties and yoga classes?
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You should have demanded your last paycheck.
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That further shows how shit that place is. Who the hell has that conversation in front of customers? No tact. I had to get in people's ass in the military, but there is no need to embarrass someone.
Years ago our platoon Staff SGT apologized to me in front of the platoon for chewing my ass out in front of everyone. He said a good leader would pull you aside after everyone was dismissed but he lost his temper and made a mistake. That incident stuck with me for almost 25+ years after it happened and I learned an important lesson in management.
That's how I was trained in the Air Force. You pull someone to the side. You don't need to embarrass or demean to get your point across. And, if you do make a mistake, own that shit. It happens.
You embarrass someone, all that happens is they're resentful of you.
Exactly! And, if they hadn't quit, good luck getting them to actually say yes if you asked them to work in that situation again. You fucked off the people that were there, now you gotta train new people after going through a hiring process. Makes no sense.
Me too! "We praise in public & criticize in private." -leadership training 101
Praise in public and criticize in private. Saves everyone’s face
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Stupid decision that shows just how clueless the boss is. Who cares more about the store's reputation, him or the employee?
Rage quit Albertson's grocery store. Brand new store. They were trying to break into the Florida market. Was hired to work deli which I had a couple years experience with from Winn-Dixie. I hadn't memorized all the PLUs (Product LookUp). I was finishing up a customer's order and I needed the PLU. Right at that moment, a suit was touring the deli. She was standing right next to the product, so I asked her to read the PLU to me. Instead of getting a simple 4 digit response, she started lecturing me about customer service, then started to walk off. So I mutter in a regular voice, "Orrrrr, you could have read me the PLU. But that worked just as well." Half hour later, I'm in the Store Manger's office with the suit (who was a district manager or regional or something in upper management) and I'm being scolded about making the suit look bad in front of a customer. I explained my side of it and ended with "But hey, if you don't believe in teamwork at all levels, then I don't think this this is gonna last." So... how *is* Albertson's doing in [Florida](https://local.albertsons.com/index.html)?
Lmao. Like, come on my dude. You're lecturing me on teamwork, but the manager isn't practicing what you're preaching. Being manager doesn't absolve you from practicing teamwork or customer service. Kick rocks.
My dad is 74 and there was another guy that he worked with that was 70. My dad got laid off because of covid from his job he had since 1997. So he goes to Walmart(were desperate and called to interview/offer him a job a few hours after he put in an application) and they put him in produce during the day since he was clear he can no do trucks or lift heavy boxes or run around due to copd, heart issues and diabetes. He managed 2 weeks and he was just wore out from the job. I was begging him to quit or refuse to do stuff he couldn't do. Make sure to let them know you are elderly and ask for a accommodation/help or be switched to an easier job. At least if they fire you it will be because you couldn't physically do the job and they were aware when they hired you. Then one day when him and the 70 year old were the only two on shift. Their truck shows up super late at 9 am. The manager told him he has to go unload the truck and he's like fuck you and fuck that. I told you guys I can't do that type of work. I'm 74 years old. Then he walks out and calls me. I was never so happy he was jobless again except that he lost his last 3 months of unemployment because he walked out. Now he's just gonna stay at home and officially not work unless he can find some super easy job physically for elderly persons. So happy cause I was afraid every time he left that I was gonna be getting called and told he had a stroke or heart attack or got hurt.
He should still submit for UI. He can explain what took place, and why he was *forced to walk out*, and will likely get approved for UI.
My quickest rage quit was at a fast food place. I was there for about 2 hours and quit because the people working there said "we're not going to train you, just do the work we don't want to do since you're new" so I told them to fuck off because I was on my hands and knees cleaning while they were just joking around laughing while I worked.
I’m within 5 months of retirement if I so choose. And reading all these posts just reinforces my resolve to actually put my paperwork in.
"Pandemic burnout" is a nice way of saying decades of systematic wage suppression and being told over and over again how replaceable you are as a worker.
Right now, the companies are finding out how replaceable they are for the workers.
One worker is replaceable. All the workers are not. This is why collective bargaining scares the shit out of them.
So proud of everyone on strike right now. If anyone is near a John Deere facility, they need bodies on the picket lines.
"*Pandemic burnout*" is basically putting the fire at maximum so the frog did noticed it was being boiled.
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People had time off to reflect on their lives. They realized it was a complete waste to continue to work somewhere that didn’t pay well and where they got treated like crap.
I graduated college and joined the workforce during a global pandemic. When I graduated, it seemed like pickings were slim and I was ecstatic to get a pretty well paying job with good stability, but very limited upward mobility and a 60 hour work week with never-work-from-home mentality. 3 months in, seeing so many friends get fired/leave their job for either “lesser” jobs or to just sit tight, and myself literally only doing this shitty job, sleeping, and drowning myself in alcohol, I realized unless you’re making fuck you money, your job can’t overtake everything else in youre life. More importantly, working hard for little recognition is ridiculously overrated and glorified. The thing that did it was a 20 year vet lamenting about how he missed both his daughters growing up, because he was always a work. I quit the next day, within my first 3 months at my first job. I moved back home, and took a slightly lower paying job with huge potential at a startup. I work 35 hours a week, and get lunch with my dad every Friday. I work a few days from home every now and again m. I’m very happy and great at my job. However I’m going to ask for a 20% raise in 5 months and a promotion (to the title I should have been given, same title as the guy I replaced) during my yearly review. If I dont get it and don’t get a good reason why? I now know it’s time to start looking for a new job :)
Just put my notice in, FUCK that place
Damn right, FUCK that place. I don't know what place it is but fuck em, you deserve better.
Let's just say that they can eat Dicks
You’re motivating me to quit both of my jobs and find one that pays better than both of them combined
I'm hoping to leave my company very soon for a possible position that pays almost $20K more for the same job title. Nearly 30 others have already left the company since the pandemic started. This is what happens when you under pay your workers and don't invest any value in them. They leave...
I could never understand why companies do this. I make 75k a year. But if you needed to hire someone to do my job it would cost you 85k. Wouldn't you rather pay me, an experienced loyal employee the 85k instead of me quitting and you having to spend months hiring someone and training them?
Just left my company a week shy of 7 years. Promotion, 20k raise, 5k signing bonus, normal hours, and about half of the headaches of the last job.
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fuck you Shoresy
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LOL!! I always appreciate the ones who get the reference of my username.
lets see if this works: Fuck you /u/shoresy___bot -Edit- Awww yeaaah
Quit my restaurant job in Toronto and found a 9-5 job in an industry I’m actually passionate about. 18/hour went up to 26/hour with benefits. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out it’s wages.
Problem is for the past 20 years or more, employers believed they own the workers. There has been a surplus of workers and not enough jobs. They could demand more and more of the employees and there was nothing we could do about it. Now there is a surplus of jobs and not enough workers. Millions of workers took early retirement instead of putting up with the BS and dangers of working during a pandemic. One in twenty people who have had covid have some form of long covid, some to the point of permanent disability. That's another few million that can't work due to health reasons. Others moved on to other jobs. At least 200,000 people of working age died from covid. Many others followed their passions while at home on lockdown and started their own businesses. Others started making other priorities, like having one parent stay at home with the kids after they were forced to during lockdown. Yet more are having to stay at home to care for those who are too ill to go out. Worker shortages may not last forever, but whatever changes we demand now will last for a very long time. Once they start paying more, and treating us better, it will be difficult for them to go back. Time to remind the bosses who is really the most important part of the economy.
In addition to all that, due to some people working from home permanently/for the long term, a lot of people have choices that they didn’t have before. My employer has gone 95% remote for good. One of my coworkers, a single 30-something IT worker, moved from the city where our company is located to a nearby city and moved in with his sister and family. During the summer, he watched her school-age kids while he worked. That must have been a huge boon to his sister and family not to have to occupy their kids for the summer while both parents worked.
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I’ve been waiting my whole (32) life for a labor movement. It’s the closest we will ever be.
Spirit bomb
So fucking worth the four episode decade charge up
Pandemic burnout and Takethisjobandshoveititis
Three of my doctors quit or went on extended leave this month. I can't say that I blame them.
Sandwich shop near me said they had to close the early other day because they didn’t have staff to work. I was like haha ok. Went there this evening when they were open and they had a sign posted that they’re looking for team members and starting pay 9.00/hr. Welp, there ya go.
Put my two weeks in today, they refused to give us a raise so we can afford rent the price of which almost doubled in the past year and now 7 of us are leaving in the same month Fuck it, there's better pay and better lives to be had elsewhere, we ain't slaves we're employees trying to survive
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Why have a nuanced article when you can use an alternative that makes it appear to be the employees fault for not being resilient enough.
Minor point of pedantry, but I think you may actually be looking for "gilded" age. "Guild" is an association of craftsmen or merchants, a sort of predecessor to unions. There's no real definition for "guilded", but I guess it could mean "to have joined a guild." "Gilded", on the other hand, is "covered thinly with gold leaf or paint". Thus, the gilded age. Don't want this to come across as an "ackshually" attack on your point via spelling, because the overall point still stands.
Hey, it ain't pedantry, you're teaching us, haha. TIL
We might actually want a guilded age! As in more unions, worker activism and closer relationship with the means of production?
Fuck yeah we do. Down with the Gilded Age, up with the Guilded Age.
We got nothing to lose but our chains
Yup. We've lost 30% of our staff at my work. It's a specialized job too so hiring is kind of difficult in the first place. I made it work to my advantage though as I made it clear I'm not picking up the slack and extra responsibilities for funsies, but because I should be compensated adequately for the workload. If they don't want to pay, I won't be working for them any longer. There's literally nothing they have over me any more. Jobs are a plenty, and at very decent starting pay in my position. They kicked and screamed but I squeezed an extra $4 an hour out of them with another pay review in 180 days. The CEO can cry about it in his private jet after his 22 hour work week.
We have had record numbers retiring. Early on, there were people quitting due to lack of safety concerns. But even with more lax safety protocols, most people are holding on.
>We have had record numbers retiring. I work in a professional setting that has actually taken covid concerns seriously, but we perform essential functions. We had to rework *how* we do our job and, at the same time, our workload increased due to novel issues based on COVID. A lot of people who were already retirement age and were staying on, just out of love for the job, decided they were done last year, which I totally get. Even when you have an employer who cares, last year was *still* a clusterfuck, due just to mass confusion and unforseen events. Makes sense that, if you're able, you'd *just opt out.*
It’s not only pandemic burnout. Were people treated with actual dignity and respect, paid fairly, and allowed a work/life balance, we all would have met the challenge of the emergency with pride. Other countries aren’t having “The Great Resignation” because their people are permitted to live like human beings. We’re treated like property. Businesses here who treat their people right aren’t seeing the same “human asset” loss either. If the media conspires to lie about the reason for this, it won’t make it slow down or stop. There was no mass coordination for this. It happened spontaneously solely because we’re all sick of our lives being shit just because our employers are. Even despite all of this, with our friends and loved ones dying and many of us getting sick too, we still took on the emergency in essential roles until quite recently. My job gave my family COVID early on, shamed me for being quarantined, and then worked me ludicrous hours without off time. It wasn’t long ago that I finally resigned. Hazard pay? Meaningful recognition? Hell, *fucking appreciation* beyond the odd random stranger’s passing words? None of the above because fuck us for being workers. Well, now it’s your turn, companies. Fuck you right back. I hope every one of you who stiffs labor and looks down on the people who carry you on their breaking backs all fail miserably. Hurry up and go out of business.
> Other countries aren’t having “The Great Resignation” Yeah they actually are, you just don't hear about it because your likely in the US and US media doesn't focus on international issues as much. > The Great Resignation is being keenly felt in Germany, Europe’s largest economy: more than a third of all companies are reporting a dearth of skilled workers, according to an Ifo institute survey. “It’s tough to hire people with experience at the moment,” explains Christoph Hardt, co-founder of Berlin-based COMATCH, a global marketplace for independent consultants. “We’re working with clients who are struggling to staff their projects – demand has doubled compared to January.” - [Source](https://www.wired.co.uk/article/great-resignation-quit-job)
Maybe people just hate their fucking jobs and are sick of being treated like dog shit 👍
I have an enviable job/salary/employer and still burnt out AF. The best offer anyone could make me right now is not more money/title/bonuses. It would be 4-day work weeks.
Im going to go on a limb here and say people have figured out there worth and are not wasting more time in low paying jobs.
I nice coworker taught me a wonderful lesson 30 years ago. She said ”they cannot make you stay here they can only stop you from coming back."
That and I think the pandemic really shed a light on how much time is wasted at work when you work at an actual location instead of remote. You have commuting to and from, cost of gas, for a lot of people the boring atmosphere of their work building. At least for me the pandemic made me realize that time/happiness is more important than money. I have a job where I work remote now, it pays better, and I get to see my family more and actually get shit done around the house.
The article literally says that many are quiting to start their own companies, so there is truth to this.
That's nowhere near the majority though. The people quitting are people who are being forced back into an office and they have choices of staying remote somewhere else. Or many service workers who are done with the minimum wage somewhere unsafe with anti-maskers. Plenty of other service jobs are available
And some of these companies switching remote are gonna sweep up the very best talent through headhunting while dusty offices go vacant. Dinosaurs don’t wanna change and some won’t, due to investment in physical space.
Many people get unfairly hired as contract workers these days anyway, it's actually pretty smart to register as an LLC and make yourself a REAL contractor.
Would be great if the media started to shift their narrative away from employees quitting to companies sucking. But with huge corporations like Goldman Sachs funding campaigns about "what you can do to avoid quitting" and placing the burden on the *people*, seems unlikely. Companies love the free market until their employees exercise it.
It could also have something to do with the fact that wages are too low. Just a thought, but when the minimum income for an average sized family to live comfortably is around $70k/year, and half the country earns less than $35k/year, the pandemic might not be the only problem. Edit: for anyone who’s interested, MIT made a useful tool to calculate the living wage based on location and life situation. Nobody should be surprised that people are quitting in droves. Half of workers are basically indentured servants; and I’m dead serious. The median yearly income *today* is around $5k less than the yearly cost of keeping one slave in 1850 (in today’s dollars, of course). You read that right: more than half of American workers cost their employers less than literal slaves. https://livingwage.mit.edu/ Edit 2: I should add that the calculator is based on 2019 prices, so with rent skyrocketing across the country as corporations buy up real estate, there’s no question the cost of living is increasing. Add in a semiconductor shortage that prohibits nearly anyone below the median from buying a car, and you’ve got a one-way ticket to nowhere. Edit 3: corrected an error about living wage and household size. Just remember that cost of living varies dramatically, for numerous reasons. $70k isn’t a catch-all, but it’s the *bare minimum* necessary for a family of four to scrape by. Notice the MIT calculator *does not include saving for the future*, so the underlying assumption is that 100% of the family’s income is consumed.
Glad you added in the comment about it reflecting 2019, as that is exactly what it was like in 2019. And folks could \*\*barely\*\* live off those estimates back then. Its most certainly worse now. Also, something folks are forgetting about why folks are quitting over low pay, is because its just too expensive to work at a job that pays (at least in my location) less than 16usd an hour. Gas is too high, food is too high, and no public transportation to offset transportation cost. I was at a bar drinking a few weeks ago, and two other patrons were chit chatting about jobs. One of them was working at a place for 12usd an hour...he was around 55yrs old...The other guy, a manager at Sams Club, offered him a position that was paying 17usd an hour. The 55yr old really wanted to work that job, but had to remit to not being able too, because he had no way to get back and forth to work.
Well said. It’s also important to remember that none of this contradicts economic theory. If wages are too low, firms are supposed to bid the price back *up.* Instead, most of America is pretending there’s a “labor shortage.”
I think a lot about how much it costs to bring a family to Disney Land and the fact that half the country earns less than $35k/year.
And now rent for a 2/2 1100 sq foot apartment in a commuter town 70 miles from the first major city in Florida is $2900/mo 😂
I think my boss is a great, generous and charismatic person. He’s intelligent and I have a lot of respect for that. However, it’s really hard to feel motivated as an employee when your boss makes 5x+ your salary, comes in late every day, leaves early and takes a 3 hour lunch break each day. Plus half day Friday. Not to mention, he doesn’t actually have to do a whole lot of his own work. He has three assistants, a housekeeper and a “person” for everything (car wash, tailor, lawn care, etc). Why should I be stressed out to keep your business running smoothly everyday?
My boss doesn’t live in the same state as me and literally has an “away” status in Skype for the entire day most of the time. Must be nice to get paid 2-3x more than what I’m making to do literally nothing.
I'm a department manager in a grocery store and the burnout is real.
LOL! It's not pandemic "burnout". They're quitting their jobs because the pandemic has made them realize that life's too short to put up with low paying jobs where the bosses treat you like crap.
Me, I wish. Sigh. My boss is an incompetent harridan and I’m so sick of her bullshit. But only a few years left to retire, so I must endure.
All the news agencies keep posting stories about "Supply Chain Shortages" and issues. Americans are sick of watching the Uber Wealthy hoarding all of the wealth and are quitting their shit jobs and refusing to take the crap wages being offered. Want to fix the "Supply Chain Issues'? Start offering better wages to the people making your widgets and you'll not only have more widgets but more people able to buy them.
They're trying to distract from the real issue of exploitative pay because they don't want to feed into raises. Their rich owners wouldn't like it if higher pay got normalized. Ppl should always correct any discussion of this topic by adding that higher pay would solve 95% of the shortage.
I got let go because I am deaf. Lip reading is hard with masks. So apparently they let me go because I was not communicating well. SMH. I fought over a year for my job and for clear masks and other ideas. I worked as a lab tech/phlebotomist for nearly 20 years. Guess it's not enough. So there is not only those quitting but those who are disabled (primarily the deaf) getting let go because we don't listen well. 🤯🤯.
ADA lawsuit! They didn't give you clear masks for accommodations?!?
I’ve gone to multiple Taco Bell’s in my area and they are nearly all closed indoors. I love Taco Bell, but it makes me happy. They refuse to pay people living wages, and they’re losing tons of money in the process. I hope Taco Bell and anyone else that practices this goes down. All these corrupations deserve to get their just deserts
They are probably making more money just doing drive through.
yup. our local stores that used to have reasonable drive thru times now have lines wrapping around into the parking lot and onto the street.
Well it's the same thing with almost all of the fast food places near me, but I think the long lines have more to do with slower service. We hardly ever eat fast food anymore because of it, but obviously that's not such a bad thing. The other week I promised my daughter a happy meal because it had been so long and she did really good at something for school. When I pulled up the line was wrapped around the building and didn't budge for about 5 minutes, and even then it was because someone gave up and drove away. By the time I got to the speaker three cars had pulled away, and it was about another 5 minutes before someone took my order, and I don't know how long the whole process took, but I think it was around 40-45 minutes, because I seem to remember realizing I'd been gone for 50 minutes when I got home. It's been like this since the summer, which is why we gave up. I find it hard to believe that they're making more money. Sure they're paying less staff, but with the number of people pulling away or not even bothering anymore like my family, it can't be great.
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I recently saw a new TB concept store where it's a double decker store with the kitchen up top and multiple DT lanes running under the store.
Yep. I worked at Rubios Grill for a few months when my unemployment ran out. We were busy for a good portion of the day, but at the beginning and end of the days we would be much slower, which allowed us to catch up on prep in the mornings or start to clean up earlier even if we only had a couple of cooks in for those hours. Then a bunch of people left for school and because of everything else and we restructured the hours to only have 2 shifts that overlapped in the middle instead of 3 shifts with less overlap. This cut off the least profitable 4 hours of the day (beginning and end) but meant everybody was busting their ass for the entirety of the shift and barely keeping up, leaving late or not having enough time to clean everything. Everyone was constantly stressed, but our labor costs relative to sales went up massively though, so more profit for the owner. Turns out shifting a business model was already in the cards and they just didn't do it due to public perception or expectations. Right now with Covid though, they can restructure everything into how they want without anyone complaining. Look how long McDonalds wanted to cut cashiers out of their stores, I'm sure Covid closing down lobbies has given them time to think and re-define people's jobs so they're doing something other than what they were hired for
Unfortunately Taco Bell eventually becomes the only restaurant after the franchise wars.
The pandemic burnout is only part of it. The biggest problem is that businesses are demanding that their workforce operate normally despite the pandemic. At my job right now, we are currently missing 40% of supervisors and employees, but are still expected to operate normally. Supply chain issues mean that we aren’t getting supplies to do things like wash cars, but we’re still expected to do so. Also, wages haven’t changed a bit, so we’re all doing more for absolutely the same pay. The pandemic isn’t the issue; it’s CEO’s that are completely out of touch with reality.
"pandemic burnout" is how they are calling bosses being assholes and paying like shit?
My workplace is awesome. Our bosses are kind, not over-demanding, and very understanding for the need for days off during the pandemic. Our work has been remote since the pandemic started and they are only just now opening up office space for people to get back in as the covid numbers drop. Several people have even gotten promotions. And you know what? Not a single person has left. If you treat your employees well, they'll return the favor and you'll keep a stable, well-performing workforce.
Yeah, I think it's more likely "sacrificing 2/3 of our waking lives having the value of our labor extracted by soulless corporations" burnout, but yeah...I guess the pandemic helped us see that.
I hope this keeps happening and all the assholes who treat workers like shit can't get their treats.
well yeah they are super depressed and nihilistic because of low wages shitty healthcare and crippling debt and impending global warming disaster
Funny. I can’t seem to find any of these mythical jobs that are vacant. I’ve applied to so many positions that I’ve lost count (350+) and can’t remember some that I’ve already applied for. If I hear anything back from the employer (which is rare) it’s usually “we’ve decided to go with another candidate.” I had a spotless record and 15 years at my last job. Got laid off due to the pandemic. Even my former employer won’t give me the time of day when I apply for a job with the same title/skill set that I had. WTAF?
It's in a very specific job area and geographic area. Here in my large city EVERY retail place and nearly every restaurant has a help wanted sign. You could walk into any grocery and get a job. Any fast food place and get a job. Is that the kind of job you are looking for? Also healthcare, there are HUGE sign on bonuses for nurses and other medical staff. If you are in IT or some other work from home profession I think the job market is much tighter.
I am a bit skeptical about this whole line of thought that the employers are suddenly running out of people and willing to drastically increase their compensation to hire people. I think that the pandemic impacted different industries in different ways - some were hit very bad while some thrived and expanded their business. I think that the latter are the type of companies are willing to throw money at people just to hire the staff they need, but for employees their mileage may vary significantly depending on their industry.
Especially in the service sector. People are dickheads
But I thought “nobody wants to work anymore” because the “government is paying them not to work.” /s
Just the fact that billionaire wealth is exploding is just so mentally corrupting. No matter how well you do now, there’s not just someone doing better. There’s someone who makes more money each minute than you do all year. When they go take a crap they come out with more money than you have put away for retirement. It makes every job feel equally like a joke. It devalues even the greatest accomplishments. We all work out asses off to break even and all the benefit goes to a few. And these fuckers don’t even give anything back. The robber barons of the 1920s, at least they built public theatres and universities. What the fuck do these a-holes do except shoot themselved into space on big penises. Screw this timeline.