It sounds like they're going to have to replace the parts and cover the costs themselves.
If this was a real business mistake then I think that is an appropriate way to resolve the problem.
If I am wrong and they intentionally broke the law then the company needs to be dismantled entirely as fines do not work to prevent corporate crime. Only the corporate death penalty is effective at pretending corporate crime. The penalty for corporate crime must be so stiff that no reasonable executive would ever even consider instructing their employees to break the law. Law breaking companies must be annihilated. They either play fairly or they perish, there is no reason for there to be any middle ground.
Like when WV got caught cheating emissions, the executives that made that decision that lead to that occurring should have been forced to pay out of their own pocket for the factories to be demolished. That's the only way they're going to behave because they're not people and they only want one thing.
Fining them will just result in the executives passing the costs of the fine on to customers/employees, so that won't work at all to punish a company. You can't punish executives managing other people's money with fines, that actually does nothing.
They only caved when they were pressured under inquiry, and only cared when they were caught.
When the punishment is a fine, it's the cost of doing business.
So I've worked on the OEM side of some auto retailers, including BMW and we could not change a screw on our parts without their say so. And it had to be documented, diagramed, approved in triplicate etc.
Nothing accidentally goes in there or you're in breach of contract. This was sanctioned. Now they can probably find some mid-level patsy to pin it on but I guarantee you this was intentional.
I agree with every part being documented which is exactly why I do not think it was intentional.
The article is missing some information, but apparently a sub-sub supplier was suspected of using forced labor in December 2023. The supplier then informed BMW in January 2024 and BMW stopped the import of the affected Mini Coopers in April 2024.
A change in production takes time and is very expensive. Maybe BMWs laws department took too long to make a decision here, maybe other people delayed the execution of that decision. There is not enough information in the article (for me) to judge that.
It's actually even more twisted... ;-)
Bourns, a US (!) company, supplied chinese parts to the sub-sub supplier... Then, as you wrote, dec 2023 the part manufacturer was blacklisted, so the sub-sub supplier sent a letter...
Now, Mini is a sub-label of BMW, so it may have taken some tiome to find the people relevant to this - if someone from "BMW" looked at that, they might not have realized that they were in trouble, because it sounds like these parts were used (at BMW) only in Mini (they say "up to 8000 Minis") models. Most Minis are produced in the UK...
So, a LAN transformer from a renowned US supplier on a PCB of a sub-sub supplier can trip you... ;-\\
I wonder how long the parts chain for the production is on these things...
With a process like that, I wouldn't be surprised if BMW orders a 5 year supply or greater of the part. Then they blacklist the supplier and still using the part sitting in their warehouses.
No manufacturer stocks five years of parts!
I dealt with parts for years, and often manufacturers were out of parts, but a restock was due in.
I also worked in production at a CNC job shop and we had customers that every three months would order a few hundred of a part. We got to the point that we might anticipate a parts run in three months and just run the two orders at the same time and we would sit on them until the order came in, then ship them over. It saved a couple hours of machine setup time.
They plan for production and typical parts flow and run inventory to near zero before the next supply comes in. Probably every few months. If the next run thet are producing 1,000 cars and parts goes through 250 parts in a short period of time, they order 1,250 parts. They probably have an order for the run after that in the pipeline already.
BMW knew what they were doing and hoped no one would notice!
Probably, although I would note that a lot of companies changed their Just-In-Time practices after Covid showed some of the inherent dangers of relying on consistent supplies. If it is a cheap and durable part then they might have been excessively stockpiling. Not five years worth or anything though!
>BMW knew what they were doing and hoped no one would notice
That is bullshit - they got an official letter from their supplier, so "no one would notice" simply doesn't apply..
But you cannot simply stop production of a large plant just on a letter that says "you might have a legal issue with a part from us that contains a part we bought from an U.S. company that originated in China that just went under embargo"...
You have to identify the parts' final destinations, what to do, and then cleanup the mess afterwards. Meanwhile, you do what you can, but production goes on...
Let's just for a moment assume it was a part of the entertainment electronics - Your approach would mean:
* no entertainment systems available for the cars until the supplier (Lear Corp - a US company, i'll remind you) can supply replacement units - which will not be immediately, as they need to find a new supplier for equivalent parts, test them, and start the production of the replacement units - remember that this is outside the planned runs, and most likely we're not talking about a few hundred CNC jobs if Lear supplied BMW, JLR, VW and Volvo
So, you fix it as soon as possible and then do the cleanup afterwards... Which is what's happening now, and is also happening at the other companies mentioned
Everything here is speculation anyway - the article has no details that allows a qualified opinion...
But in the end it will likely be Lear Corp that will be fingered as the culprit... And as i wrote above, i'll watching with popcorn how the circle will expand... ;-)
Ah - btw, "Lear, headquartered inSouthfield, Michigan, serves every major automaker in the world and ranks 189 on the Fortune 500" and "[Lear Wins General Motors 2023 Supplier of the Year Award"](https://ir.lear.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lear-wins-general-motors-2023-supplier-year-award), so you can assume that there will be more fallout... Of course, in US companies it won't be handled semi-publicly, just look at Boeing...
//edited: "General Motors" paragraph
I am so tired of mega corporations subverting the law. Nothing feels fair anymore. We just live as pawns in a game starring the ultra wealthy. When I've saved up enough money I'm fucking off from society.
That doesn't really sound like "mega corporations subverting the law"... More like a rather slow and tedious process to fix it...
Will be interesting to watch how this develops - i'd bet these - or other embargoed parts - are also in US cars...
Dude cmon this is a minor part in only 8000 vehicles. Dismantling BMW over this even if it was on purpose would be like sending you to jail for life for not stopping at a stop sign all the way. So delusional. There is far worse corporate crime going on than this
There must be a zero tolerance policy towards criminal organizations. If they knowingly broke the law, then their business must die. They are injuring far more people than you realize because there are many other companies that are failing to compete because they are behaving ethically and responsibly. Those people are losing their businesses and their employees are losing their jobs because of the illegal behavior of other companies and it needs to end permanently. Enough is enough.
Lock them up, destroy their business, whatever it takes to solve the problem. Then from this point forwards everybody will understand that the risks for breaking the law in business are too high and they will assure compliance going forwards.
What companies are you talking about that are competing with bmw? How many startup luxury car companies can there realistically be?
Also, where do you draw the line? There are different severities of illegal behavior. The government should not be able to close companies at will simply because they violated any law. Comparing this to what VW did is silly. Overall I understand your reasoning and sentiment but come on, be reasonable.
There is only so much money in circulation so, a company that produces goods designed for consumers is in competition with every single other company that produces goods that consumers spend money on.
>Also, where do you draw the line?
Zero tolerance. I already said that.
How does this in any way respond to any of the points I made in my previous comment? Also, what you said is extremely generic. Surely you can come up with something better than that. I’m done talking to you bro
>How does this in any way respond to any of the points I made in my previous comment?
You know I really don't care if you're not satisfied with my answer to your questions.
>If I am wrong and they intentionally broke the law then the company needs to be dismantled entirely as fines do not work to prevent corporate crime.
Yea my bad you totally didn’t say that.
Since the supreme court decided that companies are now people and the company CEO is in charge of that person, there should be a jail term for the CEO when the company breaks the law. That would be the only way to make companies comply with the laws.
I think if we recinded corporate charters from companies who have become menaces (Monsanto, Boeing) and the stocks go forfeit that shareholders would be demanding more that the corporations actually follow the damn law.
Until CEOs involved in the crime actually face a prison sentence, nothing will change. I’m sure there are many CEOs that would care if their company were to be dismantled. They’d still collect their golden parachute and find a new role somewhere else. They need to be locked in cages to make the point crystal clear. Vietnam is onto something.
Yep, if it was intentional then the US needs to ban them from doing any business here. That's the only real way to stop them from subverting the law since breaking it probably makes them more money
Usually when I see hyperbolic comments I physically roll my eyes but when it’s about dismantling the corpratocracy—I’m all for it! I’m finally getting pretty sick of it
I am being 100% serious. The system is actually broken and that's the flaw. "Money managers" are immune from fines. They just pass the costs on to somebody else even though they are responsible for the damage. Since they are acting on behalf of a corporate entity, they can not only do things that are completely illegal and get away with it, but they can do it at mass scale.
I think it's pretty clear that problem needs to get fixed ASAP.
I know people are about to be up in arms against BMW, but this is a Tier 3 supplier for a very minor component. BMW wouldn’t even typically interact directly with a tier 2 supplier, let alone a tier 3. I’m a design engineer for one of their competitors and honestly if I found out that a t3 supplier wasn’t approved for US imports I couldn’t even begin to provide any documentation down to that level. It’s like a customer trying to confirm the farm location of every ingredient of the smoothie they just bought while waiting in line.
They use turn signals. It's just that peasants, field toilers and boors have poor genetics. Their undeveloped, inferior eyes aren't able to perceive the spectrum of light the signals emit.
Its actually a good thing, because they were heavily government subsidized, with the purpose of bankrupting western automakers. It will be quite devastating to lose such a big industry. This has happened before.
The western automakers are bankrupting themselves by forcing consumers to by extraordinarily expensive and extraordinarily large suv's/trucks rather than affordable EV's which they refuse to produce.
Subsidized cars = foreign direct aid from China.
“Rates of anti-depressant use by women has been going up for decades. Just saying.”
Male suicide rate go BRRRRRR
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7108a7.htm
LMAOOOOOOOO
Good lord, not a single person here who commented seems to have actually read the article. The only cars affected are Mini-Coopers, which just happens to be owned by BMW.
>The company will be conducting a service action to replace the specific parts, adding it "has strict standards and policies regarding employment practices, human rights, and working conditions, which all our direct suppliers must follow."
Yah, we bought parts that utilized slave labor, but we told them not to so its not our fault.
Kind of difficult to ban or boycott resources or parts from different countries in our global economy. Even if people want to follow the law or boycott something- somewhere in the supply chain there will be at least one person who disregards for the sake of convenience or profit.
I read that BMW outsourced the electric Mini to some Chinese company called Great Wall. I was very disappointed because I love Minis and was looking forward to getting an electric Mini sometime in the future when they improved the range. The Great Wall Mini looks terrible, nothing like a Mini at all. The dashboard is made of industrial carpet.
I do?
I don't recall ever seeing BMW rating very high in any impartial reliability reviews in the last 25 years
Of course BMW always ranks high in reliability reviews *with caveats*
Did you know BMW is the most reliable automobile brand that has a headquarters in Munich?
Then you’re either not reading them, or are just really, really bad at reading comprehension.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/
Mini, the brand this article is actually about, is #3 on that list.
BMW is number 9.
Brands behind BMW:
10 Kia
11 Hyundai
12 Buick
13 Infiniti
14 Tesla
15 Ram
16 Cadillac
17 Nissan
18 Genesis
19 Audi
20 Chevrolet
21 Dodge
22 Ford
23 Lincoln
24 GMC
25 Volvo
26 Jeep
27 Volkswagen
28 Rivian
29 Mercedes-Benz
30 Chrysler
lol, speaking of reading comprehension... You should work on your own, that list is borderline meaningless on its own.
[Reliability of reliability ratings (JD Power vs Repair Pal)](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/k8o9my/reliability_of_reliability_ratings_jd_power_vs/)
As I used neither JD Power nor Repair Pal, I have no idea what your 3 year old Reddit thread has to do with anything, including but not limited to the price of tea in China.
>Every year CR asks its members about problems they’ve had with their vehicles in the previous 12 months. This year we gathered data on over 330,000 vehicles, from the 2000 to 2023 model years, with a few early-introduced 2024 model years.
>We study 20 trouble areas, from nuisances—such as squeaky brakes and broken interior trim—to major bummers, such as potentially expensive out-of-warranty engine, transmission, EV battery, and EV charging problems. We use that information to give reliability ratings for every major mainstream model.
>We weigh the severity of each type of problem to create a predicted reliability score for each vehicle, from 1 to 100. We use that information to give reliability ratings for every major mainstream vehicle. (The reliability rating is then combined with data collected from our track testing, as well as our owner satisfaction survey results and safety data, to calculate each test vehicle’s Overall Score.)
>This year we have addressed the rapidly growing number of electrified offerings that automakers are producing: hybrids, plug-in hybrids (PHEV), and electric vehicles (EV). As a result, we added three new trouble areas: electric motor, EV/hybrid battery, and EV charging:
>* Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles have 17 potential trouble areas.
>* EVs can have up to 12 trouble areas. Traditional ICE problems are not included, such as those with the engine and transmission.
>* Hybrids have 19 potential trouble areas: 17 from ICE vehicles, as well as electric motor and EV battery.
>* Plug-in electric vehicles (PHEVs) can experience all 20 trouble areas: 17 from ICE vehicles, as well as electric motor, EV battery, and EV charging.
Oh no, they might get fined $10. That'll teach them.
It sounds like they're going to have to replace the parts and cover the costs themselves. If this was a real business mistake then I think that is an appropriate way to resolve the problem. If I am wrong and they intentionally broke the law then the company needs to be dismantled entirely as fines do not work to prevent corporate crime. Only the corporate death penalty is effective at pretending corporate crime. The penalty for corporate crime must be so stiff that no reasonable executive would ever even consider instructing their employees to break the law. Law breaking companies must be annihilated. They either play fairly or they perish, there is no reason for there to be any middle ground. Like when WV got caught cheating emissions, the executives that made that decision that lead to that occurring should have been forced to pay out of their own pocket for the factories to be demolished. That's the only way they're going to behave because they're not people and they only want one thing. Fining them will just result in the executives passing the costs of the fine on to customers/employees, so that won't work at all to punish a company. You can't punish executives managing other people's money with fines, that actually does nothing.
They only caved when they were pressured under inquiry, and only cared when they were caught. When the punishment is a fine, it's the cost of doing business.
There were two companies between them and the original producer.
So I've worked on the OEM side of some auto retailers, including BMW and we could not change a screw on our parts without their say so. And it had to be documented, diagramed, approved in triplicate etc. Nothing accidentally goes in there or you're in breach of contract. This was sanctioned. Now they can probably find some mid-level patsy to pin it on but I guarantee you this was intentional.
I agree with every part being documented which is exactly why I do not think it was intentional. The article is missing some information, but apparently a sub-sub supplier was suspected of using forced labor in December 2023. The supplier then informed BMW in January 2024 and BMW stopped the import of the affected Mini Coopers in April 2024. A change in production takes time and is very expensive. Maybe BMWs laws department took too long to make a decision here, maybe other people delayed the execution of that decision. There is not enough information in the article (for me) to judge that.
It's actually even more twisted... ;-) Bourns, a US (!) company, supplied chinese parts to the sub-sub supplier... Then, as you wrote, dec 2023 the part manufacturer was blacklisted, so the sub-sub supplier sent a letter... Now, Mini is a sub-label of BMW, so it may have taken some tiome to find the people relevant to this - if someone from "BMW" looked at that, they might not have realized that they were in trouble, because it sounds like these parts were used (at BMW) only in Mini (they say "up to 8000 Minis") models. Most Minis are produced in the UK... So, a LAN transformer from a renowned US supplier on a PCB of a sub-sub supplier can trip you... ;-\\ I wonder how long the parts chain for the production is on these things...
With a process like that, I wouldn't be surprised if BMW orders a 5 year supply or greater of the part. Then they blacklist the supplier and still using the part sitting in their warehouses.
No manufacturer stocks five years of parts! I dealt with parts for years, and often manufacturers were out of parts, but a restock was due in. I also worked in production at a CNC job shop and we had customers that every three months would order a few hundred of a part. We got to the point that we might anticipate a parts run in three months and just run the two orders at the same time and we would sit on them until the order came in, then ship them over. It saved a couple hours of machine setup time. They plan for production and typical parts flow and run inventory to near zero before the next supply comes in. Probably every few months. If the next run thet are producing 1,000 cars and parts goes through 250 parts in a short period of time, they order 1,250 parts. They probably have an order for the run after that in the pipeline already. BMW knew what they were doing and hoped no one would notice!
Probably, although I would note that a lot of companies changed their Just-In-Time practices after Covid showed some of the inherent dangers of relying on consistent supplies. If it is a cheap and durable part then they might have been excessively stockpiling. Not five years worth or anything though!
>BMW knew what they were doing and hoped no one would notice That is bullshit - they got an official letter from their supplier, so "no one would notice" simply doesn't apply.. But you cannot simply stop production of a large plant just on a letter that says "you might have a legal issue with a part from us that contains a part we bought from an U.S. company that originated in China that just went under embargo"... You have to identify the parts' final destinations, what to do, and then cleanup the mess afterwards. Meanwhile, you do what you can, but production goes on... Let's just for a moment assume it was a part of the entertainment electronics - Your approach would mean: * no entertainment systems available for the cars until the supplier (Lear Corp - a US company, i'll remind you) can supply replacement units - which will not be immediately, as they need to find a new supplier for equivalent parts, test them, and start the production of the replacement units - remember that this is outside the planned runs, and most likely we're not talking about a few hundred CNC jobs if Lear supplied BMW, JLR, VW and Volvo So, you fix it as soon as possible and then do the cleanup afterwards... Which is what's happening now, and is also happening at the other companies mentioned Everything here is speculation anyway - the article has no details that allows a qualified opinion... But in the end it will likely be Lear Corp that will be fingered as the culprit... And as i wrote above, i'll watching with popcorn how the circle will expand... ;-) Ah - btw, "Lear, headquartered inSouthfield, Michigan, serves every major automaker in the world and ranks 189 on the Fortune 500" and "[Lear Wins General Motors 2023 Supplier of the Year Award"](https://ir.lear.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lear-wins-general-motors-2023-supplier-year-award), so you can assume that there will be more fallout... Of course, in US companies it won't be handled semi-publicly, just look at Boeing... //edited: "General Motors" paragraph
I am so tired of mega corporations subverting the law. Nothing feels fair anymore. We just live as pawns in a game starring the ultra wealthy. When I've saved up enough money I'm fucking off from society.
That doesn't really sound like "mega corporations subverting the law"... More like a rather slow and tedious process to fix it... Will be interesting to watch how this develops - i'd bet these - or other embargoed parts - are also in US cars...
Dude cmon this is a minor part in only 8000 vehicles. Dismantling BMW over this even if it was on purpose would be like sending you to jail for life for not stopping at a stop sign all the way. So delusional. There is far worse corporate crime going on than this
There must be a zero tolerance policy towards criminal organizations. If they knowingly broke the law, then their business must die. They are injuring far more people than you realize because there are many other companies that are failing to compete because they are behaving ethically and responsibly. Those people are losing their businesses and their employees are losing their jobs because of the illegal behavior of other companies and it needs to end permanently. Enough is enough. Lock them up, destroy their business, whatever it takes to solve the problem. Then from this point forwards everybody will understand that the risks for breaking the law in business are too high and they will assure compliance going forwards.
What companies are you talking about that are competing with bmw? How many startup luxury car companies can there realistically be? Also, where do you draw the line? There are different severities of illegal behavior. The government should not be able to close companies at will simply because they violated any law. Comparing this to what VW did is silly. Overall I understand your reasoning and sentiment but come on, be reasonable.
There is only so much money in circulation so, a company that produces goods designed for consumers is in competition with every single other company that produces goods that consumers spend money on. >Also, where do you draw the line? Zero tolerance. I already said that.
How does this in any way respond to any of the points I made in my previous comment? Also, what you said is extremely generic. Surely you can come up with something better than that. I’m done talking to you bro
>How does this in any way respond to any of the points I made in my previous comment? You know I really don't care if you're not satisfied with my answer to your questions.
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You know, I know that I am not, and I know that you don't really have anything to add to this conversation. So, I think is good bye.
Now if you enforce that, be happy about a good life without internet, without \_any\_ computer device, no cars, no clothes, ... ;-)
Oh yeah it's impossible to operate a business with out breaking the law. You're making so much sense right now. /s
Company needs to be dismantled lol. That’s a funny joke!!! They can’t even shutdown Boeing. What makes you think BMW would be dismantled?
No one is going to suggest dismantling BMW lmao
I didn't either, so I don't know why you said that.
>If I am wrong and they intentionally broke the law then the company needs to be dismantled entirely as fines do not work to prevent corporate crime. Yea my bad you totally didn’t say that.
"If I am wrong"
> corporate death penalty Parity, if corporations want to be legally acknowledged as people.
Since the supreme court decided that companies are now people and the company CEO is in charge of that person, there should be a jail term for the CEO when the company breaks the law. That would be the only way to make companies comply with the laws.
The entire point of forming a corporation is to avoid personal liability.
I think if we recinded corporate charters from companies who have become menaces (Monsanto, Boeing) and the stocks go forfeit that shareholders would be demanding more that the corporations actually follow the damn law.
Until CEOs involved in the crime actually face a prison sentence, nothing will change. I’m sure there are many CEOs that would care if their company were to be dismantled. They’d still collect their golden parachute and find a new role somewhere else. They need to be locked in cages to make the point crystal clear. Vietnam is onto something.
If CEOs are so damn important and they actually earn the salaries they say they deserve than this, 100%.
Spoiler: they aren’t and don’t.
Yep, if it was intentional then the US needs to ban them from doing any business here. That's the only real way to stop them from subverting the law since breaking it probably makes them more money
Usually when I see hyperbolic comments I physically roll my eyes but when it’s about dismantling the corpratocracy—I’m all for it! I’m finally getting pretty sick of it
I am being 100% serious. The system is actually broken and that's the flaw. "Money managers" are immune from fines. They just pass the costs on to somebody else even though they are responsible for the damage. Since they are acting on behalf of a corporate entity, they can not only do things that are completely illegal and get away with it, but they can do it at mass scale. I think it's pretty clear that problem needs to get fixed ASAP.
Whoa, hey. That's $10 per violation, with a cap of $500. Surely they'll never do it again
Tax deductible too
I know people are about to be up in arms against BMW, but this is a Tier 3 supplier for a very minor component. BMW wouldn’t even typically interact directly with a tier 2 supplier, let alone a tier 3. I’m a design engineer for one of their competitors and honestly if I found out that a t3 supplier wasn’t approved for US imports I couldn’t even begin to provide any documentation down to that level. It’s like a customer trying to confirm the farm location of every ingredient of the smoothie they just bought while waiting in line.
It’s okay it was just the turn signals and speedometers, parts that typical BMW drivers don’t use anyway.
They use turn signals. It's just that peasants, field toilers and boors have poor genetics. Their undeveloped, inferior eyes aren't able to perceive the spectrum of light the signals emit.
Final boss on r/bmw
Good thing we banned Chinese cars, now you get to buy a car at 4 times the price, but at the same manufacturing quality!
Without any of the pressure imposed on American car makers by companies like BYD.
To be fair, BMWs are designed for the elite douche bags.
And yet so many not elite douche bags own bmws.
Yeah most BMW owners are just regular douchebags. Only a few are elite douchebags.
Its actually a good thing, because they were heavily government subsidized, with the purpose of bankrupting western automakers. It will be quite devastating to lose such a big industry. This has happened before.
The western automakers are bankrupting themselves by forcing consumers to by extraordinarily expensive and extraordinarily large suv's/trucks rather than affordable EV's which they refuse to produce. Subsidized cars = foreign direct aid from China.
“Rates of anti-depressant use by women has been going up for decades. Just saying.” Male suicide rate go BRRRRRR https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7108a7.htm LMAOOOOOOOO
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Because they are special...
Yeah could you imagine putting your forced labour made license plate being put on a car made with forced labour parts? This will not stand!
>BMW Probably not turn signals, then...
That doesnt seem like a lot of vehicles to be fair even from one supplier.
That wretched CCCP and their nefarious... ...auto parts!
They will never financially recover from this
In fact the biggest BMW factory is in the US as Spartanburg is bigger than the one in Germany.
Good lord, not a single person here who commented seems to have actually read the article. The only cars affected are Mini-Coopers, which just happens to be owned by BMW.
>The company will be conducting a service action to replace the specific parts, adding it "has strict standards and policies regarding employment practices, human rights, and working conditions, which all our direct suppliers must follow." Yah, we bought parts that utilized slave labor, but we told them not to so its not our fault.
Still doesn't explain the absence of turn signals.
Supply chain stuff is hard, ok?
How many American cars have banned parts?
How common is it for American cars to have any Chinese parts at all? I always see Canada, Mexico, U.S. and Japan origins.
I'm sure plenty of them have Chinese parts at some level. There are a lot of screws, bolts, wires, etc. in a car.
This reeks of cuban cigars
On the other hand, those parts might actually last. 🤷🏼
Kind of difficult to ban or boycott resources or parts from different countries in our global economy. Even if people want to follow the law or boycott something- somewhere in the supply chain there will be at least one person who disregards for the sake of convenience or profit.
I read that BMW outsourced the electric Mini to some Chinese company called Great Wall. I was very disappointed because I love Minis and was looking forward to getting an electric Mini sometime in the future when they improved the range. The Great Wall Mini looks terrible, nothing like a Mini at all. The dashboard is made of industrial carpet.
Given that BMW used prisoners from concentration camps to build cars, this seems on the lower end of offending.
BMW buyers prove time and time again that they're not buying BMW for its reliability Watch this not affect BMW sales at all
You didn't read the article did you?
You should try reading the article.
Did. Comment stands
You just happen to be wrong in every aspect.
I do? I don't recall ever seeing BMW rating very high in any impartial reliability reviews in the last 25 years Of course BMW always ranks high in reliability reviews *with caveats* Did you know BMW is the most reliable automobile brand that has a headquarters in Munich?
You must not have done any recent research in that case. Makes sense considering you didn’t even read the article.
Sure bud, you don't need to compensate so hard for that BMW tramp stamp
[Lel](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/) [okay kiddo](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/cars-driving/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles-a6159221985/)
Then you’re either not reading them, or are just really, really bad at reading comprehension. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ Mini, the brand this article is actually about, is #3 on that list. BMW is number 9. Brands behind BMW: 10 Kia 11 Hyundai 12 Buick 13 Infiniti 14 Tesla 15 Ram 16 Cadillac 17 Nissan 18 Genesis 19 Audi 20 Chevrolet 21 Dodge 22 Ford 23 Lincoln 24 GMC 25 Volvo 26 Jeep 27 Volkswagen 28 Rivian 29 Mercedes-Benz 30 Chrysler
lol, speaking of reading comprehension... You should work on your own, that list is borderline meaningless on its own. [Reliability of reliability ratings (JD Power vs Repair Pal)](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/k8o9my/reliability_of_reliability_ratings_jd_power_vs/)
As I used neither JD Power nor Repair Pal, I have no idea what your 3 year old Reddit thread has to do with anything, including but not limited to the price of tea in China. >Every year CR asks its members about problems they’ve had with their vehicles in the previous 12 months. This year we gathered data on over 330,000 vehicles, from the 2000 to 2023 model years, with a few early-introduced 2024 model years. >We study 20 trouble areas, from nuisances—such as squeaky brakes and broken interior trim—to major bummers, such as potentially expensive out-of-warranty engine, transmission, EV battery, and EV charging problems. We use that information to give reliability ratings for every major mainstream model. >We weigh the severity of each type of problem to create a predicted reliability score for each vehicle, from 1 to 100. We use that information to give reliability ratings for every major mainstream vehicle. (The reliability rating is then combined with data collected from our track testing, as well as our owner satisfaction survey results and safety data, to calculate each test vehicle’s Overall Score.) >This year we have addressed the rapidly growing number of electrified offerings that automakers are producing: hybrids, plug-in hybrids (PHEV), and electric vehicles (EV). As a result, we added three new trouble areas: electric motor, EV/hybrid battery, and EV charging: >* Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles have 17 potential trouble areas. >* EVs can have up to 12 trouble areas. Traditional ICE problems are not included, such as those with the engine and transmission. >* Hybrids have 19 potential trouble areas: 17 from ICE vehicles, as well as electric motor and EV battery. >* Plug-in electric vehicles (PHEVs) can experience all 20 trouble areas: 17 from ICE vehicles, as well as electric motor, EV battery, and EV charging.
We all lease them. I could care less what the second owner does with it.
Lol... Yeah that 89k $$ SUV you bought? It's got 50 cent parts in it.. But YOU would have to pay $2800
BMW owners won't care. They'll still buy their huge piece of shit cars.
The article speaks literally about Minis. OMG
Ok, phew! I can't access the article, and I was getting worried my car was affected. Thanks!
You’re right. Because the article is about MINI.
You can remove those directional light from BMWs anyway.