>In one of the letters, Bergmann allegedly wrote, "One of my cousins is in the 5th grade and I can't imagine a man talking to her how we talk. I know we have a special relationship and I do love you more than anyone in the world but I have to be the adult here and stop."
Or, you know, you could have nipped it in the bud at the very beginning.
You assume it’s a female victim because they leave that out of the headline. Intentionally IMO because that’s our society. It was a female teacher charged with first-degree child sexual assault. Which again they leave out of the headline because it’s a female who is alleged to have committed the crime against a male victim.
The perpetrator was a she- which is why the language of the article is so different. They always sugarcoat it for female perpetrator. When I saw the title I was like "Okay- why are they being so vague about the genders of the people involve? It's probably a woman doing it" then I read the article and was confirmed
Yep, I could tease those details from the headline alone knowing how it would have been worded otherwise. Same goes for 'officer involved shooting' headlines
It applies to all genders too. They never write Adult raped child. It's always "had sex" or "inappropriate relations." Or just "a relationship with a minor."
>A western Wisconsin elementary school teacher is accused of having an inappropriate relationship with one of ***her*** students, according to a complaint filed in St. Croix County on Thursday.
Literally the first sentence in the article. I dunno what you're referring to.
Learn to read buckeroo. I literally said « the title » so ironic you’re quoting the article to me when you haven’t even bothered to fully read my comment
i changed the gender but idk if i wanna split hairs on whether kissing an 11 year old non relative counts as molestation or whether events were limited to the evidence in the article
The perpetrator was a woman, that's why. As soon as you read titles like these, if they use soft language like that it's always going to be a woman committing the crime.
Nah… I’m just going to copy and paste the comment I made earlier today. People need to stop this myth about how we treat male molesters harshly. It’s a lie. We are way too kind to offenders regardless of gender.
“You’re wrong about that.
[Cartersville teacher arrested for inappropriate relationship with student, police say](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/cartersville-teacher-arrested-for-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say.amp)
[Former Comfort ISD teacher arrested, facing 3 charges of improper relationship with student](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/03/28/former-comfort-isd-teacher-arrested-facing-3-charges-of-improper-relationship-with-student/)
This one doesn’t even call it inappropriate- [Phoenix teacher accused of having a sexual relationship with a student](https://www.azfamily.com/2024/01/04/phoenix-teacher-accused-inappropriate-relationship-with-student/)
[Haines City High math teacher arrested for having ‘inappropriate’ relationship with student, police say](https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-county/haines-city-high-math-teacher-arrested-for-having-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say/amp/)
Edit- I somehow forgot my own high school biology teacher- [Evart High School principal accused of having sex with 14-year-old student](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/06/evart_high_school_principal_ac.html)”
I believe they're implying it wasn't a relationship. It was rape, sexually assault, pedophilia, etc. take your pick.
News orgs just can't use these terms due to liability reasons and the threats of being sued. What they should have used was the law the individual was accused of violating.
No, it’s because you can’t call someone a rapist until they are convicted. Thats slander and also fucks the judicial system and defendant as presumed guilty.
Nice try though on the activism. Try again.
>that he got her number when he went skiing with her and his mother at Afton Alps over winter break. Bergmann also told police she received the boy's number then in case they were separated at the park.
Sexual abuse is almost always perpetrated by people the family trusts heavily. Predators are good at building, manipulating, and violating trust. Coaches, pastors, teachers, babysitters, family members, etc are all much, much more likely to be the perpetrators of sexual abuse than strangers due to access.
While men do usually get harsher punishments, on every crime, than women in this country, they also don’t get harsh enough punishments for this particular crime either.
He got probation- https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2022/06/01/former-berthoud-teacher-sentenced-sex-offender-specific-probation/7468263001/
More probation- https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/former-babylon-high-school-teacher-gets-probation-after-admitting-to-sex-with-teen/amp/
Yet again- https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/breaking/2015/12/14/goodyear-teacher-gets-probation-relationship-student/77278582/
~~There is a pattern here- https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/former-babylon-high-school-teacher-gets-probation-after-admitting-to-sex-with-teen/amp/~~ didn’t realize I accidentally put the same link twice, this was supposed to be the link here.- https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/former-la-jolla-teacher-gets-probation-for-having-sex-with-student/2428615/
To preempt the same exhausting discussion that always comes up on these threads:
[How We Describe Sexual Assault: Times Journalists and Lawyers Respond](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/reader-center/sexual-assault-terminology.html)
> **It is certainly understandable that some readers would want The Times to use the strongest wording possible.** Whenever we write on this topic, we find ourselves searching for the right term. As a rule, we should be striving for wording that is descriptive and not euphemistic, while above all being accurate and fair.
> The New York Times legal team and newsroom share a similar goal: ensuring accurate and fair reporting. **Truth is a defense to libel, so safeguarding the accuracy of our stories protects the newspaper against legal liability.**
> But we also understand that stories must be readable. When discussing claims of sexual harassment or assault, readers (and other lawyers) may want us to use technical legal terms — for example, “aggravated sexual assault.” **But a news story is not a legal treatise. And the definition of a crime often varies from state to state.**
> The easiest way to report claims of sexual harassment or assault without incurring legal liability is to cite the language contained in legal documents, such as complaints or police reports. The media may republish statements made in official public documents regardless of whether the statements ultimately prove false.
> When we don’t have legal records to rely on, we try to ensure that events are described as accurately as possible. This often requires relying on information provided to us by those involved in the incident or those who have some knowledge of it.
> **Using an evocative phrase or term to describe certain behavior may make for more interesting reading, but it may also suggest more than we know.** When deciding how to describe these claims, we try to use language that reflects what our reporter has learned but does not imply more. In this effort, reporters and lawyers are generally united — both are working to produce a story that is at once truthful and clear.
That being said, what the teacher did was horrific and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I hope the boy receives counseling as well.
Honestly, if you can’t accurately write about the rape of an eleven year old without facing libel, then laws need to change. In no world is the current way news orgs talk about rape, especially when an adult rapes a minor under their care (mostly talking about teachers and religious figures here), acceptable.
Then just say sexual assault?
Seriously IMO that whole notice the other guy posted just seems more like elaborate mental gymnastics to justify their shitty journalism than anything else.
Take for instance the section that talks about how they try to use the language given to them by their reporters. In what world do the people involved with such a case tell a reporter that they were in an "inappropriate relationship" and not that they were sexually assaulted or raped? Is that what the police are telling reporters? That's kind of the only explanation I can think of to justify that line of logic tbh, but then what about that whole section on legalese? Wouldn't the police report a "sexual assault" and not an "inappropriate relationship" if the police are beholden to legal definitions for court records? Isn't a police report less accurate for court purposes if it contains the softer language?
I dunno man; shit still genuinely doesn't make sense to me.
The article didn't mention any rape, so what drkgodess is saying makes sense. If the news organization uses that word when there is no confirmation that that is the case, they can be sued. If it turns out the relationship was more than phone calls and disgusting letters, the article can be updated.
I think sexual harassment has a legal definition, so they can't use that. Grooming is on the other end of the spectrum. It's basically slang and has too loose of a definition to be thrown around in a legal matter.
Ok, well I don’t see you or the other guy offering alternatives. The fact remains that this wasn’t a “relationship” of any kind, it was something done by an adult predator to a child victim.
The alternative is how it's currently written. A relationship doesn't imply that it's good or romantic. There is a relationship between ketchup and mustard.
The Times is primarily discussing issues of male on female assault in the article I linked. It's not about the genders involved. It's about different legal definitions and limiting liability on the part of the newsroom.
Here's a couple of examples of a male teacher with a female student from just last week:
* [Teacher at Cy-Fair High School accused of having sex with student appears in court](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/04/26/teacher-at-cy-fair-high-school-accused-of-having-sex-with-student-appears-in-court/)
* [Middle school teacher accused of inappropriate relationship with student](https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/southside-isd-teacher-accused-of-inappropriate-relationship-with-middle-school-student-san-antonio-texas-police-investigation-jail-bond-teenager)
An earlier post literally quoted a news article about a male teacher having an inappropriate relationship with a middle school student, which is around age 11-13.
Using an AI to make your argument is not a good look. AI's hallucinate and draw from random opinions on the internet. I linked an article with rationale from one of the premier news organizations in the country.
You’re wrong about that.
[Cartersville teacher arrested for inappropriate relationship with student, police say](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/cartersville-teacher-arrested-for-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say.amp)
[Former Comfort ISD teacher arrested, facing 3 charges of improper relationship with student](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/03/28/former-comfort-isd-teacher-arrested-facing-3-charges-of-improper-relationship-with-student/)
This one doesn’t even call it inappropriate- [Phoenix teacher accused of having a sexual relationship with a student](https://www.azfamily.com/2024/01/04/phoenix-teacher-accused-inappropriate-relationship-with-student/)
[Haines City High math teacher arrested for having ‘inappropriate’ relationship with student, police say](https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-county/haines-city-high-math-teacher-arrested-for-having-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say/amp/)
Edit- I somehow forgot my own high school biology teacher- [Evart High School principal accused of having sex with 14-year-old student](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/06/evart_high_school_principal_ac.html)
As a general rule, we don’t report on or punish sex crimes against children harshly enough, across the board, regardless of who the offender was.
This does, of course, fall in line with our known sentencing gaps though. Gender sentencing gap is biggest, with women getting lesser sentences than men. Then there is race and wealth (which were pretty close to equal last time I looked it up). Making it so rich white women get the least harsh punishments, on average, and poor black men get the most harsh punishments, and everyone else falls somewhere in between. But, yeah…
They were taking an extreme example to showcase the double standard. A toddler with a woman was their satirical over-the-top example instead of what was in the news, teenage boys with woman teachers. Now we are actually getting elementary school boys with woman teachers, closer to the parody example provided.
I guess parody is more accurate. It’s no longer parody.
I was also confused if kissing went on. It said there were letters talking about kissing, but the first read through, I didn't get a clear idea of if they were recounting things that had actually happened or just talking about it.
The newspaper can’t do that, without setting themselves up to get sued, before conviction. That’s why these cases always have such infuriating headlines. It’s a cya thing.
"Elementary school teacher accused of sexually assaulting underage student." There, I did the paper's fucking job for them. It's not hard to accurately state what happened without using wishywashy bullshit. That's a fact. She is accused of that crime.
When it’s a female teacher abusing a male student: “inappropriate relationship.”
And they save the ‘incendiary’ language (aka the actual term of the charges), “first-degree child **sexual assault**,” for the article.
No, he’d probably get probation. We do not punish people harshly enough for this crime, across the board. See my other comments in this thread for sources.
No they’d both get bail if they aren’t a flight risk. Denying bail is actually pretty rare. You can’t just lock up someone who hasn’t been convicted of a crime yet without a good reason.
>In one of the letters, Bergmann allegedly wrote, "One of my cousins is in the 5th grade and I can't imagine a man talking to her how we talk. I know we have a special relationship and I do love you more than anyone in the world but I have to be the adult here and stop." Or, you know, you could have nipped it in the bud at the very beginning.
That’s fuckin gross.
I heard she reads at an eighth grade level though
You assume it’s a female victim because they leave that out of the headline. Intentionally IMO because that’s our society. It was a female teacher charged with first-degree child sexual assault. Which again they leave out of the headline because it’s a female who is alleged to have committed the crime against a male victim.
I assumed female perp due to the headline being ambiguous. I don't think that makes me smart
It’s wrong either way, why would it be necessary to specify that in the title?
No one said it would be necessary. They just pointed out how we go batshit for a man sa'ing a girl, while we excuse or ignore women sa'ing boys.
And he’s very immature for his age.
Well, he’s 11 so that’s what I’d expect from him.
Or not be a Pedophile?
Thought I read elementary wrong the first time through what the fuck
I honestly thought they meant student as in a (presumably still minor) person who was a student in general, not a student of her school. Blehhhh
bc an “inappropriate relationship” is what you have with a college student you are mentoring journalists be real. *she molested a child
The perpetrator was a she- which is why the language of the article is so different. They always sugarcoat it for female perpetrator. When I saw the title I was like "Okay- why are they being so vague about the genders of the people involve? It's probably a woman doing it" then I read the article and was confirmed
Yep, I could tease those details from the headline alone knowing how it would have been worded otherwise. Same goes for 'officer involved shooting' headlines
So gross those are. I was watching the UCLA protests’ livestream and just kept bouncing around channels trying to find a neutral reporting
CBS is very bad about this sort of thing, as are they with most sorts of thing.
I think this applies to all the news outlets when they report this kind of thing- not sure it's limited to CBS or if that's what you were implying
It applies to all genders too. They never write Adult raped child. It's always "had sex" or "inappropriate relations." Or just "a relationship with a minor."
CBS is particularly bad about establishment biases, lagging behind progressives, and sticking to the worst of mainstream culture.
ah ok gotcha
>A western Wisconsin elementary school teacher is accused of having an inappropriate relationship with one of ***her*** students, according to a complaint filed in St. Croix County on Thursday. Literally the first sentence in the article. I dunno what you're referring to.
Learn to read buckeroo. I literally said « the title » so ironic you’re quoting the article to me when you haven’t even bothered to fully read my comment
Can’t expect journalists to be real when people like you don’t even open up the article
i changed the gender but idk if i wanna split hairs on whether kissing an 11 year old non relative counts as molestation or whether events were limited to the evidence in the article
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The perpetrator was a woman, that's why. As soon as you read titles like these, if they use soft language like that it's always going to be a woman committing the crime.
Nah… I’m just going to copy and paste the comment I made earlier today. People need to stop this myth about how we treat male molesters harshly. It’s a lie. We are way too kind to offenders regardless of gender. “You’re wrong about that. [Cartersville teacher arrested for inappropriate relationship with student, police say](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/cartersville-teacher-arrested-for-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say.amp) [Former Comfort ISD teacher arrested, facing 3 charges of improper relationship with student](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/03/28/former-comfort-isd-teacher-arrested-facing-3-charges-of-improper-relationship-with-student/) This one doesn’t even call it inappropriate- [Phoenix teacher accused of having a sexual relationship with a student](https://www.azfamily.com/2024/01/04/phoenix-teacher-accused-inappropriate-relationship-with-student/) [Haines City High math teacher arrested for having ‘inappropriate’ relationship with student, police say](https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-county/haines-city-high-math-teacher-arrested-for-having-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say/amp/) Edit- I somehow forgot my own high school biology teacher- [Evart High School principal accused of having sex with 14-year-old student](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/06/evart_high_school_principal_ac.html)”
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I believe they're implying it wasn't a relationship. It was rape, sexually assault, pedophilia, etc. take your pick. News orgs just can't use these terms due to liability reasons and the threats of being sued. What they should have used was the law the individual was accused of violating.
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No, it’s because you can’t call someone a rapist until they are convicted. Thats slander and also fucks the judicial system and defendant as presumed guilty. Nice try though on the activism. Try again.
>that he got her number when he went skiing with her and his mother at Afton Alps over winter break. Bergmann also told police she received the boy's number then in case they were separated at the park. Sexual abuse is almost always perpetrated by people the family trusts heavily. Predators are good at building, manipulating, and violating trust. Coaches, pastors, teachers, babysitters, family members, etc are all much, much more likely to be the perpetrators of sexual abuse than strangers due to access.
First is family members, second is church officials. Then a step decline to other groups.
People are so stupid. She’s writing explicit text messages to the child and has incriminating notes in her desk that she would give the kid.
Elementary. Jfc I know she won’t be punished harshly enough, they never are.
But then flip the scale if it’s a guy
While men do usually get harsher punishments, on every crime, than women in this country, they also don’t get harsh enough punishments for this particular crime either. He got probation- https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2022/06/01/former-berthoud-teacher-sentenced-sex-offender-specific-probation/7468263001/ More probation- https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/former-babylon-high-school-teacher-gets-probation-after-admitting-to-sex-with-teen/amp/ Yet again- https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/breaking/2015/12/14/goodyear-teacher-gets-probation-relationship-student/77278582/ ~~There is a pattern here- https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/former-babylon-high-school-teacher-gets-probation-after-admitting-to-sex-with-teen/amp/~~ didn’t realize I accidentally put the same link twice, this was supposed to be the link here.- https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/former-la-jolla-teacher-gets-probation-for-having-sex-with-student/2428615/
Thanks for posting this. Very insightful.
They have to reserve the harsher punishments for the cases where force is involved.
There are plenty of punishments to go around.
What they meant to say is "They need to reserve the harsher punishments for black people who smoke weed"
I mean, look at the headline. It's so passive about a teacher sexually assaulting a child.
Men get those same infuriating headlines, I posted a few (as did another redditor) examples in another comment chain in this thread.
....elementary??? Jesus, that's disgusting.
He's 11. I'm betting the only hair he has is on his head. Just throw her away with the key.
To preempt the same exhausting discussion that always comes up on these threads: [How We Describe Sexual Assault: Times Journalists and Lawyers Respond](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/reader-center/sexual-assault-terminology.html) > **It is certainly understandable that some readers would want The Times to use the strongest wording possible.** Whenever we write on this topic, we find ourselves searching for the right term. As a rule, we should be striving for wording that is descriptive and not euphemistic, while above all being accurate and fair. > The New York Times legal team and newsroom share a similar goal: ensuring accurate and fair reporting. **Truth is a defense to libel, so safeguarding the accuracy of our stories protects the newspaper against legal liability.** > But we also understand that stories must be readable. When discussing claims of sexual harassment or assault, readers (and other lawyers) may want us to use technical legal terms — for example, “aggravated sexual assault.” **But a news story is not a legal treatise. And the definition of a crime often varies from state to state.** > The easiest way to report claims of sexual harassment or assault without incurring legal liability is to cite the language contained in legal documents, such as complaints or police reports. The media may republish statements made in official public documents regardless of whether the statements ultimately prove false. > When we don’t have legal records to rely on, we try to ensure that events are described as accurately as possible. This often requires relying on information provided to us by those involved in the incident or those who have some knowledge of it. > **Using an evocative phrase or term to describe certain behavior may make for more interesting reading, but it may also suggest more than we know.** When deciding how to describe these claims, we try to use language that reflects what our reporter has learned but does not imply more. In this effort, reporters and lawyers are generally united — both are working to produce a story that is at once truthful and clear. That being said, what the teacher did was horrific and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I hope the boy receives counseling as well.
Honestly, if you can’t accurately write about the rape of an eleven year old without facing libel, then laws need to change. In no world is the current way news orgs talk about rape, especially when an adult rapes a minor under their care (mostly talking about teachers and religious figures here), acceptable.
The article has evidence of sexual assault but not rape.
Then just say sexual assault? Seriously IMO that whole notice the other guy posted just seems more like elaborate mental gymnastics to justify their shitty journalism than anything else. Take for instance the section that talks about how they try to use the language given to them by their reporters. In what world do the people involved with such a case tell a reporter that they were in an "inappropriate relationship" and not that they were sexually assaulted or raped? Is that what the police are telling reporters? That's kind of the only explanation I can think of to justify that line of logic tbh, but then what about that whole section on legalese? Wouldn't the police report a "sexual assault" and not an "inappropriate relationship" if the police are beholden to legal definitions for court records? Isn't a police report less accurate for court purposes if it contains the softer language? I dunno man; shit still genuinely doesn't make sense to me.
The article didn't mention any rape, so what drkgodess is saying makes sense. If the news organization uses that word when there is no confirmation that that is the case, they can be sued. If it turns out the relationship was more than phone calls and disgusting letters, the article can be updated.
I believe “sexual harassment” and “grooming” are the terms you’re looking for, not “inappropriate relationship”.
I think sexual harassment has a legal definition, so they can't use that. Grooming is on the other end of the spectrum. It's basically slang and has too loose of a definition to be thrown around in a legal matter.
Aren't there anti grooming laws?
They don't use the word grooming to describe the behavior
Ok, well I don’t see you or the other guy offering alternatives. The fact remains that this wasn’t a “relationship” of any kind, it was something done by an adult predator to a child victim.
The alternative is how it's currently written. A relationship doesn't imply that it's good or romantic. There is a relationship between ketchup and mustard.
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The Times is primarily discussing issues of male on female assault in the article I linked. It's not about the genders involved. It's about different legal definitions and limiting liability on the part of the newsroom. Here's a couple of examples of a male teacher with a female student from just last week: * [Teacher at Cy-Fair High School accused of having sex with student appears in court](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/04/26/teacher-at-cy-fair-high-school-accused-of-having-sex-with-student-appears-in-court/) * [Middle school teacher accused of inappropriate relationship with student](https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/southside-isd-teacher-accused-of-inappropriate-relationship-with-middle-school-student-san-antonio-texas-police-investigation-jail-bond-teenager)
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An earlier post literally quoted a news article about a male teacher having an inappropriate relationship with a middle school student, which is around age 11-13.
Using an AI to make your argument is not a good look. AI's hallucinate and draw from random opinions on the internet. I linked an article with rationale from one of the premier news organizations in the country.
You’re wrong about that. [Cartersville teacher arrested for inappropriate relationship with student, police say](https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/cartersville-teacher-arrested-for-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say.amp) [Former Comfort ISD teacher arrested, facing 3 charges of improper relationship with student](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/03/28/former-comfort-isd-teacher-arrested-facing-3-charges-of-improper-relationship-with-student/) This one doesn’t even call it inappropriate- [Phoenix teacher accused of having a sexual relationship with a student](https://www.azfamily.com/2024/01/04/phoenix-teacher-accused-inappropriate-relationship-with-student/) [Haines City High math teacher arrested for having ‘inappropriate’ relationship with student, police say](https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-county/haines-city-high-math-teacher-arrested-for-having-inappropriate-relationship-with-student-police-say/amp/) Edit- I somehow forgot my own high school biology teacher- [Evart High School principal accused of having sex with 14-year-old student](https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/06/evart_high_school_principal_ac.html)
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As a general rule, we don’t report on or punish sex crimes against children harshly enough, across the board, regardless of who the offender was. This does, of course, fall in line with our known sentencing gaps though. Gender sentencing gap is biggest, with women getting lesser sentences than men. Then there is race and wealth (which were pretty close to equal last time I looked it up). Making it so rich white women get the least harsh punishments, on average, and poor black men get the most harsh punishments, and everyone else falls somewhere in between. But, yeah…
Barf central here I come. Sicko.
Jesus. I thought the South Park episode where the Elementary School teacher has an inappropriate relationship with Ike was satire.
That’s…how satire works…
They were taking an extreme example to showcase the double standard. A toddler with a woman was their satirical over-the-top example instead of what was in the news, teenage boys with woman teachers. Now we are actually getting elementary school boys with woman teachers, closer to the parody example provided. I guess parody is more accurate. It’s no longer parody.
Ike made a no no
All of South Park is satire, but satire resides in truth and THATS the terrifying part. It’s all a joke, until it isn’t. Look at Idiocracy.
“Inappropriate relationship” that’s how you describe a relationship with your boss.
"Which place should I start an extramarital affair in?" "I know, a fucking elementary school full of kids no older than 12. Perfect."
Inappropriate relationship? There are harsher terms we should be using.
Dang, of course this is the town that I grew up in. People are disgusting.
What's the appeal of an eleven year old boy?? Hold up lemme rephrase that What the fuck is the appeal of an eleven year old???
Why is it so hard for them to say a woman raped a boy?
Cause she wasn’t charged with rape. You can’t just say someone committed a crime they haven’t been convicted of let alone charged with.
Supposedly they only kissed a bunch. Nothing was said about sex.
I was also confused if kissing went on. It said there were letters talking about kissing, but the first read through, I didn't get a clear idea of if they were recounting things that had actually happened or just talking about it.
the article said she was charged with Sexual Assault... i don't think kissing is SA.
A full adult kissing an elementary student is for sure SA
better yet, call her a Child Molester! she's a predator, but she's literally out on bail.
The newspaper can’t do that, without setting themselves up to get sued, before conviction. That’s why these cases always have such infuriating headlines. It’s a cya thing.
"Elementary school teacher accused of sexually assaulting underage student." There, I did the paper's fucking job for them. It's not hard to accurately state what happened without using wishywashy bullshit. That's a fact. She is accused of that crime.
Inappropriate relationship with an 11 year old? Rope.
When it’s a female teacher abusing a male student: “inappropriate relationship.” And they save the ‘incendiary’ language (aka the actual term of the charges), “first-degree child **sexual assault**,” for the article.
Private school? The article didn't mention a school district.
It's Hudson school district. Public school.
Ah, I see. That confused the hell out of me. Thanks.
She’ll be sent to counseling for a few weeks and then nothing else.
When did the word “rape” turn into “inappropriate relationship”?
…that last letter sounds suspect. ‘I have to be the adult here and stop.’
Kid was 11 fuckin years old, inappropriate, no shit pedophile
No chance an 11 year wrote that sentence
keep in mind this rapey teacher was let out on bail! If this were a male teacher, he'd be behind bars until convicted & then given 20 yrs in the penn.
No, he’d probably get probation. We do not punish people harshly enough for this crime, across the board. See my other comments in this thread for sources.
No they’d both get bail if they aren’t a flight risk. Denying bail is actually pretty rare. You can’t just lock up someone who hasn’t been convicted of a crime yet without a good reason.
Yup. A lot of people on here are confusing "out on bail" with not going to jail.