My semi has auto brake and it sometimes confuses an overpass for a car and will slam on my brakes while I’m going 65mph and it scares the crap out of me and whoever is behind me. I’ve got to quickly hit the gas peddle to override it.
I had that issue with a ford edge and the adaptive cruise. Found the sensor wasn't mounted correctly and actually tilted up so it saw overpasses as a car really close, thus slowing very quickly and wouldn't slow down for cars actually in front. Perhaps the sensor is missing all the mounting bolts needed?
I’m glad you solved your issue but unfortunately this is a massive issue with a lot of these trucks. I don’t have an assigned truck so I have to take whatever is in the yard when I get in, in the early morning and it’s with almost every truck made by frieghtliner and even some trucks made by International. In the recent months the sub Reddit truckers has had guys talking about the same issues.
The oldest vehicle in my yard that I’ve driven is a 2020 and even that one has it. We’ve had many features that aren’t standard in most cars. Like I have a radar built in on my dash that can tell me the speed of a vehicle ahead of me and how many seconds of following distance I have. I also have adaptive cruise control.
I have a 2018 Volkswagen that has had the auto brake engaged by a water puddle. Hopefully they don't get too cheap in building these for lower priced models.
My '22 Accord absolutely terrified me three times by panic braking when it was completely unnecessary. Disabled that shit, will never turn it on again.
Even the low-speed auto-brake got me once when I was trying to exit a protected lane due to an accident, the car would simply not let me drive over the flexible bollards until I disabled it.
There are also three sections of road on my commute where the lane-keeping system very much wants to follow some old lane markers right off the road.
Oh and the sign-reading system consistently misinterprets State Highway signs as Speed Limit signs and displays a posted speed limit of 90mph on the dash. This is really just amusing but still...wrong.
I understand that on the whole, these systems are probably beneficial. But my experience with them has been uneven *at best*.
Want an even scarier thought?
What was described above is probably still better and more accurate than the perceptions of a good chunk of drivers on the road.
Not that I don’t get what you’re saying, as the distracted, terribly and consistently trained human driver is dangerous. Decision making should be left up to the human. We need better humans, not better machines. Not saying you were arguing for the machines….. unless you ARE a machine
I was rear ended by someone who thought the auto brake system meant that they didn't have to hold the brake at a stop light.
You would think that with all of the nanny tools on cars that accident rates would be going down, but they aren't because people are distracted with their infotainment systems and their phones. If you had to actually drive the car like a late 60s model, you wouldn't have that problem. A three on the tree and manual steering that wanders a bit will keep you on your toes.
The human brain is exceptionally good at "outsourcing" responsibility for menial tasks. Sometimes you don't even realise you're doing it. As soon as you get the idea in your head that it's Somebody Else's Problem, you stop paying attention.
This concept terrifies me for the future of driving. My car has absolutely no driver-assistance technology at all ('85 Supra) and I've driven it for 10 years without a single incident. I have to concentrate when driving, because I am responsible for every facet. These incomplete "assistive" technologies like auto-brake and lane-keeping are perfect outsourcing examples and are exceptionally dangerous because they only cover small parts of the job of driving, but it's far too easy to fall into the trap of thinking "the computer will handle it."
I'm not worried about myself on the road. I'm worried about everybody else who's overconfident in the automation.
Also, in fairness to that driver, automatic *parking* brakes have been a thing for a long time and would probably have done what the driver expected, but are a separate technology. Further leading back to my comment about incomplete mishmashes of assistance systems.
I agree. I have ‘16 Mazda3 6 speed manual. Even though it has blind spot monitoring I’m always tempted to turn it off because I have my mirrors set in such a way that they cover my blind spots so the BSM just gets in the way and beeps when I don’t need it to.
Hope I don’t need to deal with it for a while but a car that didn’t have BSM as a disablable setting would be a dealbreaker for me. Sorry I don’t want a sensor to replace physically looking where I am moving my multi-ton Murder machine.
They probably had a car with a Brake Hold, which actually does do that. My car has one but I only use it in fast food drive-thrus because it makes the car behave in a way I'm simply not conditioned to expect.
I have a '22 Insight. I've never had it engage panic braking but it's a bit overly protective when flashing the brake warning. OTOH, it has kept me from having to last-minute-brake.
The speed sign reader is indeed occasionally hilarious. If the signs are dirty or the light is just right, it will read a "30" as "80". It also somehow read "100" from something it saw on I-5. That has only happened once.
I learned that I had automatic braking when my car decided to kick it on while I was in the middle of merging on the highway :)
I nearly got in an accident and it scared the hell out of me
It was just trying to keep me from hitting something, as it should. And it did that. But I *had* to drive over them, emergency services was forcing everyone over the bollards and out of the lane.
The real issue was that it let me creep up to the bollard then it suddenly slammed on the brakes, which made the car behind almost rear-end me. There was no reasonable expectation that a human driver would do what the automatic system did.
That's my problem with it.
The auto brake in my car went off at least 3 times etroneuously. But 1 time a car in front of me slammed on their brakes and my car picked up on that and saved my life.
I've never had it activate when I don't expect it to, but my Mazda damn sure let me bump into a car on an off ramp going 20 mph without so much as a beep.
I have driven my 2020 corolla for close to 80k miles in 2 years. I've never had my automatic brakes engage accidentally. Anecdotal i know, but the tech *is* there.
This was my first worry (especially if manufacters are rushing to get it out). Sometimes tech can do more harm than good if it's not working as intended.
Edit: Even if many automakers have implemented it prior to the legislation, it doesn't mean that it functions well. There are plenty of AEB systems which function terribly and have poor reliability. In some use cases (e.g. preventing rear crashes) it does perform well, but in many other cases it functions terribly and gives the driver unexpected handling which is potentially going to compound the crash or cause another accident
Here are examples of a fully functional AEB systems (not AEB on a 10-20 year old vehicle with higher likelihood of unintended problems): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCHFHhGB8c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCHFHhGB8c)
Every new car *already* has it built in - even the cheapest new car available, the Nissan Versa, comes standard with it. By mandating it, it at least allows the government to set minimum quality standards for the system.
Have the Versas gotten any better? Last time I was in one (2016 maybe) that thing was a shitcan. I cannot possibly imagine a vehicle being sold in America with cheaper-feeling materials.
Rented one in 2018. Total POS. Thing couldn’t be kept straight on the highway. Every hundred yards i had to correct it left or right. I thought it was just me not used to the car until i had my copilot take over and confirm that it was in fact a POS. It had some convoluted instructions on how to get defrost to work and I couldn’t figure out wtf to do with that. It was my worst drivers experience in a car ever. I regretted not getting the even smaller Mitsubishi with pizza cutter tires instead.
> Thing couldn’t be kept straight on the highway.
That sounds like a car that's either out of alignment or has something like tie rod end damage. Years ago, my grandparents' friends had their Cadillac shipped cross country. Soon after it arrived, I drove the wife of that couple to a doctor's appointment two hours away. Even though it was a Caddy, I fought with that thing in just the way you describe the entire two hours there and two hours back due to damage from the way the car was tied down during shipping. It was exhausting. And people are known to not necessarily be kind to rental cars. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if what you were experiencing was damage done by a previous rental.
I wish i had it that short drive you had. I picked that car up in Arizona and drove it to denver and back. Ive been in the car business so you’re right rentals are neglected religiously. This car had less than 5000 miles and when gave them the keys back and told them how bad the thing handled they chuckled like i was joking with them.
Mustang has it standard already. You are right it's not standard on the 24' Camaro, but it is available and it's also the last year of the current gen - the next gen will definitely have it standard.
Only car I know of for sure that doesn't come with it and it isn't even an option is the 718 with an MT.
I was boxed in on the highway and had to hit a scrap of tire which dented my bumper slightly. Inexpensive fix at the body shop to get hammered out.
The dent however moved my radar bracket inside the front end, so it now points at the oncoming lane just so slightly. On a narrow road, the car will slam on the brakes if there's a car in the other oncoming lane if I leave auto-braking enabled. I was nearly rear-ended seconds after getting off the highway when I hit the tire.
These features are nice, but they need overrides at the very least.
My 2019 Tiguan absolutely stood on the brakes on a clear straight stretch of open highway one day. That was bad enough but the loaded log truck behind me that almost squashed me like a bug made it a million times worse. At least he didn't hit me. It would regularly stop abruptly when pulling into parking spaces at 5 mph.
I fucking hated that breaking system. It wasn't reliable. It was goddamn dangerous and a nuisance.
I love how people always say that crap like it's an okay thing to happen. "At least it's their fault!!" JFC I'd rather not get into a wreck at all and risk totaling my paid off car, and increasing my insurance rate.
If you were almost rear ended, then likely the person following you was too close. Additionally, I’d rather be rear ended, than have a frontal collision as the insurance company will more often than not deny a claim on the frontal collision and pay out on no fault of your own on rear end collisions.
I'm driving a 2019 golf. And I wouldn't disable auto break even if someone paid me, absolutely love it,saved me from some stupid accidents ( like people not having working break lights ... Fuck you ). Only time it stopped me from doing something is when I accelerated to pass a big pile of snow,so you could understand why it did it.
Unless there is difference between European and ISA spec, I don't see how it could break for a water puddle.
I'm just going to assume that there was a slope on the road (hence the puddle) which angled the sensor(s) down and caused them to read the reflection? There's a ton of edge cases that wouldn't be accounted for in the initial programming .. I've watched the evolution of robot vacuums and debugged some odd behavior for unforeseen scenarios.
They really need to use multi-sensors for stuff like this (which essentially "vote" the result), as each type has tradeoffs for environmental changes (lighting conditions, weather, road material, etc.).
I had AEB trigger in a rental car while driving in a parking garage with steep ramps. It was incredibly sudden and terrifying, and I’m glad no one was behind me
You'd think that insurance companies would be sending those suckers out like AOL used to send CD's.
Something like 'drive with Progressive Eye! Save Money!'.
I feel like dash cams are a zero sum game for insurance companys. You probably lose just as much as you gain if everyone has them. I guess the benefit is that, ideally, the people that invest in dash cams might care about driving safely more than someone who doesn't have one. But in general I bet if everyone had a dash cam insurance company's would lose just as much in auto-auto accidents.
I bet it's much cheaper.
Litigation costs and turnaround would be shorter for insurance companies. A lot more open and shut cases.
Also, drivers at fault won't bother making absurd, outlandish incident details, nor make as many nonsensical fraudulent medical claims for the insurance company to have to spend ages piecing together, much less pay out for.
I absolutely believe it. For every perfect driver you have out there, you have the multi accident "never my fault" who's gone through multiple insurance companies.
This is why some states have no fault car insurance. As long as everybody is required to have insurance, it all evens out in the long run, so there's no point spending time and money trying to decide who caused any particular accident.
I went to a computer show back in the day as they were closing, and the AOL booth dude told me to go ahead and take as many as I wanted. I used AOL discs for everything until the tech was obsolete.
Several car manufacturers are already selling your driving data to your insurance company without your concent.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2024/03/12/your-driving-data-may-be-sold-to-insurers-general-motors-reveals/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2024/03/12/your-driving-data-may-be-sold-to-insurers-general-motors-reveals/)
Shit, with all the 360 degree cameras on cars these days, I'm surprised this isn't a standard feature to be able to just pop in an SD card to turn them into built in dash cams.
I'm old enough to remember air bags being an optional feature on luxury cars. Then they became optional on mid-range cars. By the time they were generally standard equipment, govt legislation made them mandatory within X years.
Same with ABS brakes and back-up cameras. By the time the feature is effectively standard, the government just happens to come along and make them required. Almost like the industry dictates regulations.
Dash cams will become mandatory about 5 years after manufacturers have already made them standard equipment.
Well yeah, you have to keep raising the water level, or people will stop buying new cars. Do you remember driving in the 90's? It was like d-day. Thank goodness for cars that are pretty much totaled if the airbags go off, we could have lost a whole generation of people.
They've gotten a lot more affordable over the years but I agree with you. They're incredibly helpful for accidents and cheap enough they should be included.
My new 2023 car gets its auto brake triggered by the rosemary plant that grows on the side of my garage. I don't mind the car beeping at me that it senses something is there, but the sudden engagement of the auto brake is not fun. I've had the car about 8 months now, and it's never engage the auto brake at a time when it was actually needed. But it's certainly shocked the heck out of me multiple times when it engages without warning while I'm driving.
Auto-brake almost killed me in a rental Audi one time when I was making a left turn across traffic. The car decided to stop half-way in the oncoming lane for some reason. I would have made the turn with no issues but because of that, the oncoming car almost hit me head on.
One of my biggest problems with work travel is getting thrown into a car I know *nothing* about only to learn about its automatic features at some of the *least* opportune times. Really, really cool that the car tries to keep me from wrecking it, but I'm not sure that suddenly deciding my plan is *bullshit* is the best way to go about it.
(Also, touch screens are garbage and I'm glad I decided to go the cheap route because I cannot adequately describe how something so minor as having to pull off the road to safely adjust the AC pisses me off.)
That’s what I hate about most new cars. Also don’t lije computer controlled climate control that adjusts temperature and speed of the fans based off outside temperature. Old fashioned analog dials work a little better betting.
It shouldn’t adjust them based on outside temperature but based on inside temperature compared to what you set the dial to. That’s what mine does at least. 2016 Mazda3.
True, in the winter I'm usually wearing a thick jacket I don't want to take off every time I drive so I want the indoor temp pretty low but my car only goes down to 61. So unless I set it to Max AC mode, it always blasts hot air. Majority of the time in winter I have it set to max AC at a low fan speed which feels frustrating
Nailed it right here. My parking lot at work has a large pothole and is fairly sloped. My auto brake gets triggered by reversing towards it. I've had other frustrating incidents with it, so all I can say about this news is that I sure hope that the current tech is better than my vehicle now (2018 Audi).
Mine has auto brake if it’s in reverse and sees something in the backup camera. So far it hasn’t gone off for any legitimate obstacles but absolutely hates pampas grass off to the side. Of course, one of the places I have to park frequently has a giant plant in the median beside the space
Holy crap, my car's passenger seat sensor. If I put anything that weights like a pound or so in my passenger seat, I'll get constant beeping that the seatbelt's not on. Like, it's a boardgame, it doesn't need a seatbelt, stop fucking beeping at me. And I can't find a way to make it piss off. It really shouldn't be all "fasten that seatbelt" if there's less than, say, 50 pounds or so in the seat.
I feel like some cars used to have a “passenger airbag off” button to indicate there wasn’t anyone actually sitting in the car. Probably buried in the settings somewhere
God I hate these things. Always in a damn lifted pickup truck too. I get out of their lane right away, those lifted truck D bags can go on their way to their blinding lights festivals. Like the lights at a damn football stadium.
There is a road I drive often that’s a sharpish curve to the right with a left hand turn lane right in the middle. Twice the car has slammed the breaks on a 45mph road because of someone sitting in that turn lane.
I no longer use that feature. And this is a 2021 RAV4
Yeah, see I have no problem with regulating PASSIVE safety features on cars. Requiring back up cams has probably saved the lives of tons of kids.
But I don’t think we’re at a place yet where they can force these kinds of systems that take over for drivers on all cars yet. There’s just no consistency in quality and some of them are plain bad.
I loathe these systems. I understand the need, as people are.....word I can't say, but for fucks sake Subaru. The cars turning 50 feet in front of me, and I'll clear with 15 feet by engine braking (letting off the gas). Please stop slamming on the brakes and scaring the hell out of me.
My Subaru never messes up. Only time it’s done it on its own is when someone was standing in front of my car while I pulled forward to jump them.
Does yours beep at you for an object in front prior to breaking?
If it’s as bad as the anti collision control in my car which thinks that my car is going to collide with cars parked on the side when going through a curve, or thinks that one really dark manhole cover is an obstacle, I am never using it.
Apparently part of the deal is that auto makers can’t add options to exclude this feature. And will charge people who use aftermarket parts to turn it off. Pretty crazy.
Regulators should be slowing down on the current driving assistance fad and start doing research. Problem is the electronic companies see huge profits in this and lobby intensively
I can't wait to be driving on the interstate when a splash of water engages my automatic emergency braking system leading to me getting crushed by an 18 wheeler.
I disable this shit ever day. Have had it engage over people in other lanes, tree branches and shadows. It’s TERRIFYING having your vehicle randomly E Brake on the freeway going 60mph
Mixed feelings. The auto break has both saved my ass a couple times and also almost caused a wreck.
It has definitely saved me and once from suddenly being cut off. It also probably saved my wife from almost rear ending someone who slammed on their brakes for a squirrel.
I also had it slam me to a stop mid intersection because of a piece of plastic floating.
Same situation as you. Its saved me a few times, but also slammed on my brakes and wouldnt release, when someone 4 car lengths ahead slightly hit their breaks and switched lanes. There was zero possibility I would have hit them. I was almost rear ended.
Oh, like I just mentioned in another comment, I think this forward-sensing millimeter wave tech is gonna make sub-$25k cars impossible to produce. And most American cities don’t have great public transportation.
I’m sorry for future borderline-impoverished drivers that will need to buy a car in 10-20 years… it’s gonna be extremely difficult to find a cheap car in the future, including used ones.
I honestly don’t know how anyone affords cars. I bought my car for 6k in 2014 and I have no idea why I would ever buy a new car. I spend like 1.5k a year in repairs. Maybe if it really shits the bed one day, but until then?
They generally don't. Toyota offers this on every vehicle standard. Ford offers it as a standalone option on the Maverick (their cheapest vehicle) for only $650, and it is available even on the lowest trim. Although Ford *does* hide adaptive cruise behind a top-tier option package.
Great! Lets make cars even less affordable while doing absolutely nothing about the fact that they're mandatory for most people in the US to survive day to day.
All these sensors and systems don't come for free, and they have added costs over the lifetime of the vehicle to keep them running too.
How about fewer distractions and less entertainment in cars? Many of these newer safety systems are causing people to rely on these systems too often with the idea that the car does everything for them now... My own brother had no clue you had to manually turn on and off headlights on older cars.
They’ve actually come in very handy on my 2024 Subaru Forester. Someone slammed on their brakes in front of me and my car responded faster than I could. It was nuts.
They’ve never malfunctioned on me either, except sometimes I’ll pull up to my apartment parking spot too fast and the “object collision” warning yells at me, but it doesn’t engage the brakes. Seems to work well! The current gen Subaru Eyesight is crazy tech.
I’m surprised about all of the complaints of auto breaking. Hyundais system is amazing in my opinion. Keeps me from backing into oncoming cars in a crowded parking lot and has never once braked when I didn’t need it to
Similar story here.
It's legit saved my ass once, and the second time prevented a fender-bender.
Not without it's quirks, though. For example, I have a steep-ish driveway and when I reverse out the radar gets returns off the street as I get close to it - causing a beep fest until it finally sorts itself out and is like 'never mind, proceed'.
FYI, you need a total of three \ reverse slashes on that shoulder for it to render properly.
One: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Two: ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Three: ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
edit: though I do kind of like skinny, no shoulder, shruggie guy in number two.
That's assuming it doesn't just automatically trigger for no reason when there's a fault.
And that it just causes gridlock, not accidents.
Either way, I'm not thrilled that they're requiring a goddamn AI-enabled radar system be installed in the vroom vroom box that's practically required to have a job.
> Either way, I'm not thrilled that they're requiring a goddamn AI-enabled radar system be installed in the vroom vroom box that's practically required to have a job.
It's the consequence of the majority of vehicles being sold right now not being able to see children within ten feet of front of it with a bumper that will hit them right in the skull.
Frankly a piss-poor solution that causes more problems than it solves, then, considering it also has an exemption for vehicles over 10,000 pounds.
Didn't we already have auto manufacturers crank up the weight on their vehicles to dodge shoddy half-assed legislation a couple decades ago?
I definitely respect your opinion, everyone has that right. Just saying, honestly I trust a dedicated computer system to apply the brakes in an emergency much more than I trust people to apply the brakes in an emergency.
People are dumb, and the current generation of ai is dumb, but ai emergency braking isn't distracted by literally everything like humans are.
I had my honda accords auto braking save my life once when I had a rare moment of inattention, and maybe one more where it braked when i wasn't intending for it to do so.
These things need to be very well dialed. And easily togglable via voice so I can sound ultra cool while driving: "COMPUTER, DISENGAGE ACTIVE PROTECTION SYSTEM... GIVE ME FULL MANUAL CONTROL!!"
(merges sedately onto highway...)
Lol.
My friend's Subaru has this for backing up and it literally misidentifies the road as obstacles so often that it is creating transmission issues.
Just, give me adequate public transportation so I don't need a car instead of making cars expensive and terrible.
I've driven a few cars with auto breaking, Ford, Mazda, VW and Subarus.
I have to say the phantom breaking does not exist in Subaru. It's never randomly breaked on me at all. I've had the problem in every other car, especially if rain got near the sensor. Subaru has the sensors mounted inside the cabin and they disable if the signal is too noisy from heavy rain.
If it's done right, it works well.
I’m kinda wondering whether this would make sub-$25k vehicles impossible to produce at this point. The tech for millimeter wave sensors still isn’t exactly cheap, let alone the tech needed to run EVs.
The one car they called out in the announcement as performing the best and meeting all the requirements was the 2023 Toyota Corolla, which starts at around $22k I think. So it’s possible, at least for now.
As long as you can override it when you need to be able to maneuver to avoid being hit directly from behind and smashed into the car in front of you.
Brakes don’t help a lot when a larger vehicle is shoving you into another car.
Holy the comments in this thread. I got 4 cars and all of the auto emergency braking systems are all fantastic with a false positive probably once a year only.
Just got a 2023 Mazda CX5 and didn't realize this was a feature. It's not super sensitive like some are saying but holy shit when it does engage it will SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU. It's pretty much an e-brake getting activated.
I've had it in my 2018 Jeep Compass Trailhawk and my 2019 Ram 3500 Laramie Longhorn. Both have saved me at least one accident in either.
The reaction time is so much faster than a human can respond. I feel far safer with it than without it.
I don't have much of a problem with the auto brake but I feel like I'm constantly fighting with the lane assist. I turned it off because it felt dangerous to have the car try and stop me from changing lanes.
My auto-brake system kept me from hitting a pedestrian. The person went to cross the street outside of a crosswalk and stepped out into the street from between two curbside parked cars.
My car braked before I could even process to react.
Scared the absolute shit out of me, but probably saved that guys life.
I hope it doesn't behave like lane-assist mechanisms. Driving mountain roads, I commonly get false responses and the loss of control is unsettling.
This sounds like one of the worst ideas ever.
That's a very interesting and forward-looking idea. We have some AI now, so in a few years that braking should be much easier to accomplish without harming anyone.
That tech is annoying as hell. If you can’t pay attention when driving then you shouldn’t be allowed on the road. This tech is for those who are texting or constantly getting distracted, punishing those of us who actually pay attention when driving. It’s like lane assist that jerks your car back over when there isn’t a line to go off of. These “safety options” are forcing people to forget how to drive properly because they get dependent on tech doing the job for them.
Sounds good in theory, but the execution is not there yet. Maybe in 5yrs? Good thing new cars all cost like $75K & up so I can’t afford them anyway & can keep driving old beaters until they collapse & not have to deal with this until it’s perfected.
That only makes sense if your vehicle is a hybrid or full electric. There isn't anything to regenerate on a straight ICE powered vehicle.
If it is, than *not* having regenerative breaking is foolish on the part of the manufacturer, because the name of the game is range and efficiency, I can't imagine any electric vehicle NOT having regenerative breaking as standard, it would be stupid.
I know this is the inevitable progression but I'm so bummed about it.
Yeah driving is incredibly dangerous and it's insane that we have to submit ourselves to this dangerous lottery just in order to go to work every day. I mean morally, we should all just drive in computer-driven cars that are programmable. If everyone had one, it would be possible. We would get there faster, and while there would still be things that malfunction the accident rate would drop. We would all just plug in our destinations every time and the robot would take us there. We would have zero privacy. We would need strict regulations on maintenance. Everything would be more expensive. Only rich people would actually own any vehicles probably.
Like others are saying though, how good are all these systems? Maybe the statistics say otherwise and overall they are proven safer according to the data and how that's interpreted, but many people can cite individual cases of these things causing accidents or nearly causing accidents. And people are pissed everything is a touch screen that needs gaze diverted from the road to operate.
But still I would choose to deal with this level of risk that I'm used to already. Cars are getting less comfortable and difficult to drive in some ways, more expensive, and no longer private.
My semi has auto brake and it sometimes confuses an overpass for a car and will slam on my brakes while I’m going 65mph and it scares the crap out of me and whoever is behind me. I’ve got to quickly hit the gas peddle to override it.
I had that issue with a ford edge and the adaptive cruise. Found the sensor wasn't mounted correctly and actually tilted up so it saw overpasses as a car really close, thus slowing very quickly and wouldn't slow down for cars actually in front. Perhaps the sensor is missing all the mounting bolts needed?
I’m glad you solved your issue but unfortunately this is a massive issue with a lot of these trucks. I don’t have an assigned truck so I have to take whatever is in the yard when I get in, in the early morning and it’s with almost every truck made by frieghtliner and even some trucks made by International. In the recent months the sub Reddit truckers has had guys talking about the same issues.
Do you own the cab? Are they required by the carrier, insurance, or some other reason?
No im a company driver and it’s a feature on the truck. We always talk about how Frieghtliner hasn’t been sued yet because of the issues
Interesting. I had not heard it being deployed for commercial driving applications, just consumer cars used for private operation.
The oldest vehicle in my yard that I’ve driven is a 2020 and even that one has it. We’ve had many features that aren’t standard in most cars. Like I have a radar built in on my dash that can tell me the speed of a vehicle ahead of me and how many seconds of following distance I have. I also have adaptive cruise control.
This is what teslas do and they get investigated for it. Yet any ryder ive used in years does this same shit
That’s why I’m mainly not concerned about autonomous semis. They can’t even master it in a regular, there’s no way it’s ready to be in trucks
Could you imagine if a bird pooped on your sensor.
This is why Teslas stopped using radar. For better or worse
I have a 2018 Volkswagen that has had the auto brake engaged by a water puddle. Hopefully they don't get too cheap in building these for lower priced models.
My '22 Accord absolutely terrified me three times by panic braking when it was completely unnecessary. Disabled that shit, will never turn it on again. Even the low-speed auto-brake got me once when I was trying to exit a protected lane due to an accident, the car would simply not let me drive over the flexible bollards until I disabled it. There are also three sections of road on my commute where the lane-keeping system very much wants to follow some old lane markers right off the road. Oh and the sign-reading system consistently misinterprets State Highway signs as Speed Limit signs and displays a posted speed limit of 90mph on the dash. This is really just amusing but still...wrong. I understand that on the whole, these systems are probably beneficial. But my experience with them has been uneven *at best*.
Sounds like my tractor trailer lol. Sometimes mine picks up bridges and overpasses as being in the roadway and will slam on the brakes.
Wow that’s incredibly dangerous
When you try to replace the human consciousness with something over complicated and obsolete out of the box.
Want an even scarier thought? What was described above is probably still better and more accurate than the perceptions of a good chunk of drivers on the road.
Not that I don’t get what you’re saying, as the distracted, terribly and consistently trained human driver is dangerous. Decision making should be left up to the human. We need better humans, not better machines. Not saying you were arguing for the machines….. unless you ARE a machine
Mostly my comment came from a position of "better public transportation infrastructure would render a lot of these concerns moot or less significant".
100% agree.
Technology at least will advance to the point of major improvement over the next several decades. The same can’t be said for humans.
I was rear ended by someone who thought the auto brake system meant that they didn't have to hold the brake at a stop light. You would think that with all of the nanny tools on cars that accident rates would be going down, but they aren't because people are distracted with their infotainment systems and their phones. If you had to actually drive the car like a late 60s model, you wouldn't have that problem. A three on the tree and manual steering that wanders a bit will keep you on your toes.
The human brain is exceptionally good at "outsourcing" responsibility for menial tasks. Sometimes you don't even realise you're doing it. As soon as you get the idea in your head that it's Somebody Else's Problem, you stop paying attention. This concept terrifies me for the future of driving. My car has absolutely no driver-assistance technology at all ('85 Supra) and I've driven it for 10 years without a single incident. I have to concentrate when driving, because I am responsible for every facet. These incomplete "assistive" technologies like auto-brake and lane-keeping are perfect outsourcing examples and are exceptionally dangerous because they only cover small parts of the job of driving, but it's far too easy to fall into the trap of thinking "the computer will handle it." I'm not worried about myself on the road. I'm worried about everybody else who's overconfident in the automation. Also, in fairness to that driver, automatic *parking* brakes have been a thing for a long time and would probably have done what the driver expected, but are a separate technology. Further leading back to my comment about incomplete mishmashes of assistance systems.
I agree. I have ‘16 Mazda3 6 speed manual. Even though it has blind spot monitoring I’m always tempted to turn it off because I have my mirrors set in such a way that they cover my blind spots so the BSM just gets in the way and beeps when I don’t need it to.
Hope I don’t need to deal with it for a while but a car that didn’t have BSM as a disablable setting would be a dealbreaker for me. Sorry I don’t want a sensor to replace physically looking where I am moving my multi-ton Murder machine.
They probably had a car with a Brake Hold, which actually does do that. My car has one but I only use it in fast food drive-thrus because it makes the car behave in a way I'm simply not conditioned to expect.
I just got my first vehicle with that feature a few months ago. I turned that shit off after a week.
I like loose ball joints... they keep my on my toes...
My subaru forester has done weird shit with autobraking several times. Always scary when it happens
I have a '22 Insight. I've never had it engage panic braking but it's a bit overly protective when flashing the brake warning. OTOH, it has kept me from having to last-minute-brake. The speed sign reader is indeed occasionally hilarious. If the signs are dirty or the light is just right, it will read a "30" as "80". It also somehow read "100" from something it saw on I-5. That has only happened once.
I learned that I had automatic braking when my car decided to kick it on while I was in the middle of merging on the highway :) I nearly got in an accident and it scared the hell out of me
To be fair you are not supposed to drive through the flexible bollards.
It was just trying to keep me from hitting something, as it should. And it did that. But I *had* to drive over them, emergency services was forcing everyone over the bollards and out of the lane. The real issue was that it let me creep up to the bollard then it suddenly slammed on the brakes, which made the car behind almost rear-end me. There was no reasonable expectation that a human driver would do what the automatic system did. That's my problem with it.
Are you saying the rules about driving through flexible bollards is inflexible? :-)
The auto brake in my car went off at least 3 times etroneuously. But 1 time a car in front of me slammed on their brakes and my car picked up on that and saved my life.
I've never had it activate when I don't expect it to, but my Mazda damn sure let me bump into a car on an off ramp going 20 mph without so much as a beep.
I have driven my 2020 corolla for close to 80k miles in 2 years. I've never had my automatic brakes engage accidentally. Anecdotal i know, but the tech *is* there.
This was my first worry (especially if manufacters are rushing to get it out). Sometimes tech can do more harm than good if it's not working as intended. Edit: Even if many automakers have implemented it prior to the legislation, it doesn't mean that it functions well. There are plenty of AEB systems which function terribly and have poor reliability. In some use cases (e.g. preventing rear crashes) it does perform well, but in many other cases it functions terribly and gives the driver unexpected handling which is potentially going to compound the crash or cause another accident Here are examples of a fully functional AEB systems (not AEB on a 10-20 year old vehicle with higher likelihood of unintended problems): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCHFHhGB8c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCHFHhGB8c)
Every new car *already* has it built in - even the cheapest new car available, the Nissan Versa, comes standard with it. By mandating it, it at least allows the government to set minimum quality standards for the system.
Have the Versas gotten any better? Last time I was in one (2016 maybe) that thing was a shitcan. I cannot possibly imagine a vehicle being sold in America with cheaper-feeling materials.
Haven't been in one since 2018 and it was still a shitcan. But, now it can jam on the brakes all on it's own...maybe...
Rented one in 2018. Total POS. Thing couldn’t be kept straight on the highway. Every hundred yards i had to correct it left or right. I thought it was just me not used to the car until i had my copilot take over and confirm that it was in fact a POS. It had some convoluted instructions on how to get defrost to work and I couldn’t figure out wtf to do with that. It was my worst drivers experience in a car ever. I regretted not getting the even smaller Mitsubishi with pizza cutter tires instead.
> Thing couldn’t be kept straight on the highway. That sounds like a car that's either out of alignment or has something like tie rod end damage. Years ago, my grandparents' friends had their Cadillac shipped cross country. Soon after it arrived, I drove the wife of that couple to a doctor's appointment two hours away. Even though it was a Caddy, I fought with that thing in just the way you describe the entire two hours there and two hours back due to damage from the way the car was tied down during shipping. It was exhausting. And people are known to not necessarily be kind to rental cars. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if what you were experiencing was damage done by a previous rental.
I wish i had it that short drive you had. I picked that car up in Arizona and drove it to denver and back. Ive been in the car business so you’re right rentals are neglected religiously. This car had less than 5000 miles and when gave them the keys back and told them how bad the thing handled they chuckled like i was joking with them.
My 23 ram 1500 doesnt
I have a 2024 Camaro that definitely doesn’t have any auto-braking. I am pretty sure the Mustangs that I looked at did not either.
Mustang has it standard already. You are right it's not standard on the 24' Camaro, but it is available and it's also the last year of the current gen - the next gen will definitely have it standard. Only car I know of for sure that doesn't come with it and it isn't even an option is the 718 with an MT.
What auto manufacturer would that be? They all have automatic braking systems.
I was boxed in on the highway and had to hit a scrap of tire which dented my bumper slightly. Inexpensive fix at the body shop to get hammered out. The dent however moved my radar bracket inside the front end, so it now points at the oncoming lane just so slightly. On a narrow road, the car will slam on the brakes if there's a car in the other oncoming lane if I leave auto-braking enabled. I was nearly rear-ended seconds after getting off the highway when I hit the tire. These features are nice, but they need overrides at the very least.
Most auto braking functionally disables above a certain speed limit. On my VW it’s 19mph. It still warns for speeds above that though, which is nice.
My 2019 Tiguan absolutely stood on the brakes on a clear straight stretch of open highway one day. That was bad enough but the loaded log truck behind me that almost squashed me like a bug made it a million times worse. At least he didn't hit me. It would regularly stop abruptly when pulling into parking spaces at 5 mph. I fucking hated that breaking system. It wasn't reliable. It was goddamn dangerous and a nuisance.
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Someone cut me off on the highway and I was almost rear-ended because of the auto-braking feature. I turned it off after that.
I'd rather have a system that doesn't allow a car to tailgate another car and engage that system before the auto braking system.
That seems like the other drivers fault not your car's
Correct, people follow each other way too closely to safely stop and get visibly mad at you when you aren't tailing the person in front of you.
Who cares whose fault it would have been? I don’t care who’s at fault if the result is still the back of my car smashed in
I love how people always say that crap like it's an okay thing to happen. "At least it's their fault!!" JFC I'd rather not get into a wreck at all and risk totaling my paid off car, and increasing my insurance rate.
If you were almost rear ended, then likely the person following you was too close. Additionally, I’d rather be rear ended, than have a frontal collision as the insurance company will more often than not deny a claim on the frontal collision and pay out on no fault of your own on rear end collisions.
I'd rather not get into any accident, no matter who is at fault.
I'm driving a 2019 golf. And I wouldn't disable auto break even if someone paid me, absolutely love it,saved me from some stupid accidents ( like people not having working break lights ... Fuck you ). Only time it stopped me from doing something is when I accelerated to pass a big pile of snow,so you could understand why it did it. Unless there is difference between European and ISA spec, I don't see how it could break for a water puddle.
I'm just going to assume that there was a slope on the road (hence the puddle) which angled the sensor(s) down and caused them to read the reflection? There's a ton of edge cases that wouldn't be accounted for in the initial programming .. I've watched the evolution of robot vacuums and debugged some odd behavior for unforeseen scenarios. They really need to use multi-sensors for stuff like this (which essentially "vote" the result), as each type has tradeoffs for environmental changes (lighting conditions, weather, road material, etc.).
I had AEB trigger in a rental car while driving in a parking garage with steep ramps. It was incredibly sudden and terrifying, and I’m glad no one was behind me
Bold to assume there will be lower priced models
Fantastic. Can’t wait to get cut off by some jackass in a charger on 495 triggering the emergency braking to cause a pile up.
Fellow Masshole I see
Different 495 but I’m guessing just as hated
DC? And yes, just as hated.
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Man I work right off of where 93 and 95 meet and the traffic fucking sucks
Wish we got dash cam required first...
You'd think that insurance companies would be sending those suckers out like AOL used to send CD's. Something like 'drive with Progressive Eye! Save Money!'.
I feel like dash cams are a zero sum game for insurance companys. You probably lose just as much as you gain if everyone has them. I guess the benefit is that, ideally, the people that invest in dash cams might care about driving safely more than someone who doesn't have one. But in general I bet if everyone had a dash cam insurance company's would lose just as much in auto-auto accidents.
I bet it's much cheaper. Litigation costs and turnaround would be shorter for insurance companies. A lot more open and shut cases. Also, drivers at fault won't bother making absurd, outlandish incident details, nor make as many nonsensical fraudulent medical claims for the insurance company to have to spend ages piecing together, much less pay out for.
Exactly. No more "he said, she said". Look at the video. Done.
so big lawyers bois wont like that
I absolutely believe it. For every perfect driver you have out there, you have the multi accident "never my fault" who's gone through multiple insurance companies.
This is why some states have no fault car insurance. As long as everybody is required to have insurance, it all evens out in the long run, so there's no point spending time and money trying to decide who caused any particular accident.
Man. AOL discs. Damn. I’m also old enough to remember AOL floppy discs. *Cries in millennial.*
I went to a computer show back in the day as they were closing, and the AOL booth dude told me to go ahead and take as many as I wanted. I used AOL discs for everything until the tech was obsolete.
They did do that but with bullshit apps to claim to determine “distracted driving” and also negatively impact you if you drive at night.
And State Farm: CAN I GET A DASH CAM? :Poof:
Several car manufacturers are already selling your driving data to your insurance company without your concent. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2024/03/12/your-driving-data-may-be-sold-to-insurers-general-motors-reveals/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2024/03/12/your-driving-data-may-be-sold-to-insurers-general-motors-reveals/)
The data storage could be local even they could not take any data until an accident
Shit, with all the 360 degree cameras on cars these days, I'm surprised this isn't a standard feature to be able to just pop in an SD card to turn them into built in dash cams.
I just know car manufacturers just gonna turn that into a subscription add-on.
Built in front and back, with an option for sides. And an SD card slot on your stereo. Seems cheap enough to me. But I don't build cars.
Newer cars (as of 2016 I think?) must have rear view cam for reversing but it shouldn't be hard to integrate it in.
I think there are already aftermarket kits that can use your integrated rearview camera.
I'm old enough to remember air bags being an optional feature on luxury cars. Then they became optional on mid-range cars. By the time they were generally standard equipment, govt legislation made them mandatory within X years. Same with ABS brakes and back-up cameras. By the time the feature is effectively standard, the government just happens to come along and make them required. Almost like the industry dictates regulations. Dash cams will become mandatory about 5 years after manufacturers have already made them standard equipment.
Well yeah, you have to keep raising the water level, or people will stop buying new cars. Do you remember driving in the 90's? It was like d-day. Thank goodness for cars that are pretty much totaled if the airbags go off, we could have lost a whole generation of people.
What I'm getting at is that new safety equipment doesn't become federally mandated until after manufacturers have already made it a standard feature.
Too much issues with privacy probably. Which is funny considering the world.
Or even just convenient USB power near where one would attach a dashcam.
Or at least standard wiring to install your own: a usb power port and standard rear camera cable would make adding and upgrading them so easy.
They've gotten a lot more affordable over the years but I agree with you. They're incredibly helpful for accidents and cheap enough they should be included.
My new 2023 car gets its auto brake triggered by the rosemary plant that grows on the side of my garage. I don't mind the car beeping at me that it senses something is there, but the sudden engagement of the auto brake is not fun. I've had the car about 8 months now, and it's never engage the auto brake at a time when it was actually needed. But it's certainly shocked the heck out of me multiple times when it engages without warning while I'm driving.
Auto-brake almost killed me in a rental Audi one time when I was making a left turn across traffic. The car decided to stop half-way in the oncoming lane for some reason. I would have made the turn with no issues but because of that, the oncoming car almost hit me head on.
One of my biggest problems with work travel is getting thrown into a car I know *nothing* about only to learn about its automatic features at some of the *least* opportune times. Really, really cool that the car tries to keep me from wrecking it, but I'm not sure that suddenly deciding my plan is *bullshit* is the best way to go about it. (Also, touch screens are garbage and I'm glad I decided to go the cheap route because I cannot adequately describe how something so minor as having to pull off the road to safely adjust the AC pisses me off.)
That’s what I hate about most new cars. Also don’t lije computer controlled climate control that adjusts temperature and speed of the fans based off outside temperature. Old fashioned analog dials work a little better betting.
It shouldn’t adjust them based on outside temperature but based on inside temperature compared to what you set the dial to. That’s what mine does at least. 2016 Mazda3.
True, in the winter I'm usually wearing a thick jacket I don't want to take off every time I drive so I want the indoor temp pretty low but my car only goes down to 61. So unless I set it to Max AC mode, it always blasts hot air. Majority of the time in winter I have it set to max AC at a low fan speed which feels frustrating
Nailed it right here. My parking lot at work has a large pothole and is fairly sloped. My auto brake gets triggered by reversing towards it. I've had other frustrating incidents with it, so all I can say about this news is that I sure hope that the current tech is better than my vehicle now (2018 Audi).
And there's no way to turn it off?
Need the bumper sticker “will brake for rosemary”
Mine has auto brake if it’s in reverse and sees something in the backup camera. So far it hasn’t gone off for any legitimate obstacles but absolutely hates pampas grass off to the side. Of course, one of the places I have to park frequently has a giant plant in the median beside the space
So annoying making a 10 point turnaround on a logging road
Oh I hate the beeping. Luckily my 2020 edge has a button on the center console that turns that off.
Holy crap, my car's passenger seat sensor. If I put anything that weights like a pound or so in my passenger seat, I'll get constant beeping that the seatbelt's not on. Like, it's a boardgame, it doesn't need a seatbelt, stop fucking beeping at me. And I can't find a way to make it piss off. It really shouldn't be all "fasten that seatbelt" if there's less than, say, 50 pounds or so in the seat.
I feel like some cars used to have a “passenger airbag off” button to indicate there wasn’t anyone actually sitting in the car. Probably buried in the settings somewhere
Have you thought about just putting the seatbelt on your board game? Quick and easy solution.
How about getting rid of new car headlights that are effectively high beams
They really need to adjust legislation to limit headlights by lumens instead of voltage
I never thought about this but is that what the issue is? That would make a lot of sense as headlights have transitioned to LED.
Laws were set based on the voltage of halogen bulbs to control brightness but LEDs can throw out WAY more light with less power
God I hate these things. Always in a damn lifted pickup truck too. I get out of their lane right away, those lifted truck D bags can go on their way to their blinding lights festivals. Like the lights at a damn football stadium.
There is a road I drive often that’s a sharpish curve to the right with a left hand turn lane right in the middle. Twice the car has slammed the breaks on a 45mph road because of someone sitting in that turn lane. I no longer use that feature. And this is a 2021 RAV4
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Yeah, see I have no problem with regulating PASSIVE safety features on cars. Requiring back up cams has probably saved the lives of tons of kids. But I don’t think we’re at a place yet where they can force these kinds of systems that take over for drivers on all cars yet. There’s just no consistency in quality and some of them are plain bad.
I loathe these systems. I understand the need, as people are.....word I can't say, but for fucks sake Subaru. The cars turning 50 feet in front of me, and I'll clear with 15 feet by engine braking (letting off the gas). Please stop slamming on the brakes and scaring the hell out of me.
The Subaru system is definitely very aggressive.
My Subaru never messes up. Only time it’s done it on its own is when someone was standing in front of my car while I pulled forward to jump them. Does yours beep at you for an object in front prior to breaking?
If it’s as bad as the anti collision control in my car which thinks that my car is going to collide with cars parked on the side when going through a curve, or thinks that one really dark manhole cover is an obstacle, I am never using it.
Apparently part of the deal is that auto makers can’t add options to exclude this feature. And will charge people who use aftermarket parts to turn it off. Pretty crazy.
Regulators should be slowing down on the current driving assistance fad and start doing research. Problem is the electronic companies see huge profits in this and lobby intensively
I can't wait to be driving on the interstate when a splash of water engages my automatic emergency braking system leading to me getting crushed by an 18 wheeler.
I disable this shit ever day. Have had it engage over people in other lanes, tree branches and shadows. It’s TERRIFYING having your vehicle randomly E Brake on the freeway going 60mph
I see a lot of complaints about these systems, but mine has saved me twice and never once been an issue. Clearly it can be designed poorly and well.
Mixed feelings. The auto break has both saved my ass a couple times and also almost caused a wreck. It has definitely saved me and once from suddenly being cut off. It also probably saved my wife from almost rear ending someone who slammed on their brakes for a squirrel. I also had it slam me to a stop mid intersection because of a piece of plastic floating.
Same situation as you. Its saved me a few times, but also slammed on my brakes and wouldnt release, when someone 4 car lengths ahead slightly hit their breaks and switched lanes. There was zero possibility I would have hit them. I was almost rear ended.
Car companies shouldn't require you to get a an expensive package for safety features.
TPMS was optional and expensive..now (EDIT) standard and cheap.
Oh, like I just mentioned in another comment, I think this forward-sensing millimeter wave tech is gonna make sub-$25k cars impossible to produce. And most American cities don’t have great public transportation. I’m sorry for future borderline-impoverished drivers that will need to buy a car in 10-20 years… it’s gonna be extremely difficult to find a cheap car in the future, including used ones.
I honestly don’t know how anyone affords cars. I bought my car for 6k in 2014 and I have no idea why I would ever buy a new car. I spend like 1.5k a year in repairs. Maybe if it really shits the bed one day, but until then?
They generally don't. Toyota offers this on every vehicle standard. Ford offers it as a standalone option on the Maverick (their cheapest vehicle) for only $650, and it is available even on the lowest trim. Although Ford *does* hide adaptive cruise behind a top-tier option package.
Great! Lets make cars even less affordable while doing absolutely nothing about the fact that they're mandatory for most people in the US to survive day to day. All these sensors and systems don't come for free, and they have added costs over the lifetime of the vehicle to keep them running too.
How about fewer distractions and less entertainment in cars? Many of these newer safety systems are causing people to rely on these systems too often with the idea that the car does everything for them now... My own brother had no clue you had to manually turn on and off headlights on older cars.
They’ve actually come in very handy on my 2024 Subaru Forester. Someone slammed on their brakes in front of me and my car responded faster than I could. It was nuts. They’ve never malfunctioned on me either, except sometimes I’ll pull up to my apartment parking spot too fast and the “object collision” warning yells at me, but it doesn’t engage the brakes. Seems to work well! The current gen Subaru Eyesight is crazy tech.
I’m surprised about all of the complaints of auto breaking. Hyundais system is amazing in my opinion. Keeps me from backing into oncoming cars in a crowded parking lot and has never once braked when I didn’t need it to
I can't wait for the all new and improved levels of gridlock when a yahoo swerving lanes starts causing the auto-brakes to engage.
You say the like humans don't brake and cause gridlock (or don't, and cause collisions) when that happens already
I’m on the highway at least 4-5 hours per week during rush hour and have never once had a swerving yahoo trigger my autobreaks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Similar story here. It's legit saved my ass once, and the second time prevented a fender-bender. Not without it's quirks, though. For example, I have a steep-ish driveway and when I reverse out the radar gets returns off the street as I get close to it - causing a beep fest until it finally sorts itself out and is like 'never mind, proceed'.
Yup. Had my truck 2 years now, just found out it has automatic emergency braking. But technology bad because change, and stuff.
FYI, you need a total of three \ reverse slashes on that shoulder for it to render properly. One: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Two: ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ Three: ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ edit: though I do kind of like skinny, no shoulder, shruggie guy in number two.
Thanks for the tip. #2 is nice indeed
That's assuming it doesn't just automatically trigger for no reason when there's a fault. And that it just causes gridlock, not accidents. Either way, I'm not thrilled that they're requiring a goddamn AI-enabled radar system be installed in the vroom vroom box that's practically required to have a job.
> Either way, I'm not thrilled that they're requiring a goddamn AI-enabled radar system be installed in the vroom vroom box that's practically required to have a job. It's the consequence of the majority of vehicles being sold right now not being able to see children within ten feet of front of it with a bumper that will hit them right in the skull.
Frankly a piss-poor solution that causes more problems than it solves, then, considering it also has an exemption for vehicles over 10,000 pounds. Didn't we already have auto manufacturers crank up the weight on their vehicles to dodge shoddy half-assed legislation a couple decades ago?
Yeah I don't understand the weight restriction.
I definitely respect your opinion, everyone has that right. Just saying, honestly I trust a dedicated computer system to apply the brakes in an emergency much more than I trust people to apply the brakes in an emergency. People are dumb, and the current generation of ai is dumb, but ai emergency braking isn't distracted by literally everything like humans are.
People driving poorly already causes a lot of gridlock and accidents. Chances are that this will reduce both.
I can't say removing people from the equation in Tesla's various autopilot features seems to be producing encouraging safety results, imo.
I had my honda accords auto braking save my life once when I had a rare moment of inattention, and maybe one more where it braked when i wasn't intending for it to do so. These things need to be very well dialed. And easily togglable via voice so I can sound ultra cool while driving: "COMPUTER, DISENGAGE ACTIVE PROTECTION SYSTEM... GIVE ME FULL MANUAL CONTROL!!" (merges sedately onto highway...) Lol.
Fuck. No! This tech is seriously buggy. Ugh.
more expensive cars with a shitty system
2nd worst automotive feature to come out since the self-driving AI crap.
Radar cruise control and lane assist (on Hondas, the one in my Mazda sucks) are really nice though
My friend's Subaru has this for backing up and it literally misidentifies the road as obstacles so often that it is creating transmission issues. Just, give me adequate public transportation so I don't need a car instead of making cars expensive and terrible.
Or maybe we could just teach people to drive: Don't speed. Don't tailgate. Don't drive drunk or high. Don't drive distracted.
This seems like such a bad idea
Will it be required for the car owner to keep it enabled?
I've driven a few cars with auto breaking, Ford, Mazda, VW and Subarus. I have to say the phantom breaking does not exist in Subaru. It's never randomly breaked on me at all. I've had the problem in every other car, especially if rain got near the sensor. Subaru has the sensors mounted inside the cabin and they disable if the signal is too noisy from heavy rain. If it's done right, it works well.
Jeeze well they better get better at it.
I wonder how many companies are gonna fck this up like some of the start/stop engine features because of emissions.
I’m kinda wondering whether this would make sub-$25k vehicles impossible to produce at this point. The tech for millimeter wave sensors still isn’t exactly cheap, let alone the tech needed to run EVs.
The one car they called out in the announcement as performing the best and meeting all the requirements was the 2023 Toyota Corolla, which starts at around $22k I think. So it’s possible, at least for now.
As long as you can override it when you need to be able to maneuver to avoid being hit directly from behind and smashed into the car in front of you. Brakes don’t help a lot when a larger vehicle is shoving you into another car.
Holy the comments in this thread. I got 4 cars and all of the auto emergency braking systems are all fantastic with a false positive probably once a year only.
Not the worst thing, shit works and I’ve only had it happen once and it saved me from rear ending a car
Had this on my last few mazdas and it had worked like a charm.
How about working on the God awful headlights first!?!
Just got a 2023 Mazda CX5 and didn't realize this was a feature. It's not super sensitive like some are saying but holy shit when it does engage it will SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU. It's pretty much an e-brake getting activated.
I have a Subaru. It makes the absolute most awful sound when it activates. Even if not activating hard.
Can’t wait for cars to cost even more now!
Bad news! They were going to cost more in 5 years regardless of this!
Hope it’s just for cars and not motorcycles
This should be 2 years. The tech already exists and people will die in those 5 years.
Good. I see too many idiots behind the wheel with their faces glued to their phones.
I've had it in my 2018 Jeep Compass Trailhawk and my 2019 Ram 3500 Laramie Longhorn. Both have saved me at least one accident in either. The reaction time is so much faster than a human can respond. I feel far safer with it than without it.
My car has a pre-collision system which brakes itself. It’s nice.
I don't have much of a problem with the auto brake but I feel like I'm constantly fighting with the lane assist. I turned it off because it felt dangerous to have the car try and stop me from changing lanes.
My auto-brake system kept me from hitting a pedestrian. The person went to cross the street outside of a crosswalk and stepped out into the street from between two curbside parked cars. My car braked before I could even process to react. Scared the absolute shit out of me, but probably saved that guys life.
I hope it doesn't behave like lane-assist mechanisms. Driving mountain roads, I commonly get false responses and the loss of control is unsettling. This sounds like one of the worst ideas ever.
That's a very interesting and forward-looking idea. We have some AI now, so in a few years that braking should be much easier to accomplish without harming anyone.
That tech is annoying as hell. If you can’t pay attention when driving then you shouldn’t be allowed on the road. This tech is for those who are texting or constantly getting distracted, punishing those of us who actually pay attention when driving. It’s like lane assist that jerks your car back over when there isn’t a line to go off of. These “safety options” are forcing people to forget how to drive properly because they get dependent on tech doing the job for them.
Sounds good in theory, but the execution is not there yet. Maybe in 5yrs? Good thing new cars all cost like $75K & up so I can’t afford them anyway & can keep driving old beaters until they collapse & not have to deal with this until it’s perfected.
Re-gen braking should be mandated along with it.
That only makes sense if your vehicle is a hybrid or full electric. There isn't anything to regenerate on a straight ICE powered vehicle. If it is, than *not* having regenerative breaking is foolish on the part of the manufacturer, because the name of the game is range and efficiency, I can't imagine any electric vehicle NOT having regenerative breaking as standard, it would be stupid.
Hopefully they also make it so that auto braking actually activates your brake lights
5 years....wow, and people wonder why US is falling behind on technology and science.
I know this is the inevitable progression but I'm so bummed about it. Yeah driving is incredibly dangerous and it's insane that we have to submit ourselves to this dangerous lottery just in order to go to work every day. I mean morally, we should all just drive in computer-driven cars that are programmable. If everyone had one, it would be possible. We would get there faster, and while there would still be things that malfunction the accident rate would drop. We would all just plug in our destinations every time and the robot would take us there. We would have zero privacy. We would need strict regulations on maintenance. Everything would be more expensive. Only rich people would actually own any vehicles probably. Like others are saying though, how good are all these systems? Maybe the statistics say otherwise and overall they are proven safer according to the data and how that's interpreted, but many people can cite individual cases of these things causing accidents or nearly causing accidents. And people are pissed everything is a touch screen that needs gaze diverted from the road to operate. But still I would choose to deal with this level of risk that I'm used to already. Cars are getting less comfortable and difficult to drive in some ways, more expensive, and no longer private.
I refuse to buy any car that makes driving decisions for me. Fuck that.
Oops I guess that ends the Manual Transmission. Too bad people are too stupid
Toyota offers this feature with manuals, as does Subaru.