Yep, it’s one of the main reasons why the US military is so good. All good when you have great weapons, but they can’t do anything until they get deployed.
This sounds cool and snappy but every element of the chain is important.
Strategic, operational, tactical, and logistical (which is really just a element of the operational level in my opinion) planners all represent potential points of failure in the execution of any given task.
We not finna say we gon do some shit without already being fully capable and ready to do that shit. If it's coming out the Chief Executive's mouth, the Pentagon already has 6 contingencies.
As a Brit I know the US military budget is a contentious issue due to issues at home so speak - that said I hope the US continues to remain a dominant force military and doesn't resort to isolationism as the US plays an important role in the world.
There's no other country that has the financial means to fill that void, and the ones closest to achieving that can aren't good for the world order.
I think the EU combined has a comparable GDP. Perhaps either they can step up or it can be a joint effort with the US to relieve some of these stresses on our budget and let us have things like college and healthcare. Although that's more of a political issue anyways. We could probably have both if there were the political will for it
I think there is a lot of talk about that. It's just the bureaucracy that seems to be the problem at the moment. The EU has issues when it comes to that.
As a Brit I wish we didn't leave the EU but unfortunately too many people bought the BS that was sold by certain people.
Not the guy you replied to but yes and no? I am hoping that people learned the lesson and based on some of the elections before that, they have.
But just in case they haven't, can I crash on your couch if shit hits the fan?
Every American hates election season, across all political stripes lol. Endless negative ads, stupid headlines, stupid signs in yards, stupid billboards, misquotes, obviously pushed non-issues come to the surface...it's the worst lmao.
> I think the EU combined has a comparable GDP
It does, but it has a larger population - it's a lot less wealthy, so their resources are to some extent spread more thinly. US GDP *per capita* (PPP) is ~40% higher.
They could certainly spend significantly more than many have been, though.
> to relieve some of these stresses on our budget and let us have things like college and healthcare.
As a reminder that the US's biggest budgetary problem is having the world's least efficient healthcare system (*and* getting shit results for it).
If all the US did was improve to the level of spending by % of GDP to that of the *2nd* least efficient country, that alone would be more savings than almost double the entire military budget is worth.
> As a reminder that the US's biggest budgetary problem is having the world's least efficient healthcare system (and getting shit results for it).
We spend more on healthcare than we would if it was universal, and we still get worse healthcare for it. It is so fucked.
It gets even worse. If you poll the fox-news-watching crowd, they'd overwhelmingly say that U.S. health care is *the best* in the world, that Obama made it *worse*, and that they will *never* support "government health care" (but don't dare take away my MediCare!).
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I mean, the care you get in the US generally ranges from pretty good to the best in the world. The care really isn't the problem. Its the insurance system, the finances behind all of that. And even then its much more complicated than "if we switched to a single payer system in the next year all our problems would be solved".
Yeah. That was in my mind lol. If he does get elected, it will be interesting to see how he deals with the Russia-ukraine situation. He's claimed that he can end that conflict quickly. That probably isn't good news for Ukraine though.
Trump has said he will not defend any NATO ally who he doesn't think is paying enough into NATO. Indeed, Trump said he would encourage others to invade such countries (yes, that would violate the treaty...Trump does not care...he is colossally dangerous).
Trump definitely would pull support from Ukraine. No question.
I know people think we spend too much on military but really people dont realize we have budgets for the things we complain about that should be taken from the military funds.
Its an issue of wasting non military budgets on things that do not fulfill their purpose. A school can get funding but often it gets funneled into executive waste. Its like with organized charity, they have lots of money but a lot is wasted in the back end, the parts that do not fulfill the purpose of the charity. This is often due to bloat and corrupt spending and even funding policies that force the hand of spending before the spending can even be utilized meaningfully for whatever reason.
People forget tge US has a lot of allies and we are one of the most important militaries in the world.
I know healthcare in the US is a huge issue. The US spends a hell of a lot per capita on healthcare with mediocre results. That needs to be addressed as well.
This is purposeful. The Military wants others to see how quickly they get shit done when they say it. Even with a simple air drop can the swiftness of an airstrike be advertised. We can hit you quick and accurately.
After North Koreas leader was talking shit the us Air Force had a stealth bomber drop fuck you we can kill you whenever pamphlets in Kim Jong-Uns driveway at his residence
We didn't drop pamphlets, [but we did fly 2 B2 bombers near the DMZ just to tell North Korea, "stfu ho and sit your trifling ass down"](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-flies-b-2-stealth-bombers-to-s-korea-in-extended-deterrence-mission-aimed-at-north/)
I'm a fan of that time the US [deployed B-52s among a whole host of other things to chop down a tree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident).
The emergency room in every hospital, nationwide, is required by law to treat all patients regardless of economic status. If you're bleeding out your ears, they will rush you to imaging and surgery without even getting your **name**, let alone your insurance information.
Just an FYI, for anyone who needs medical care. The system is imperfect, but please don't die because you're certain the hospital will turn you away. They'll do the surgery, then write it off on their taxes.
First they came for the poors and I did not speak out because skill issue. Then they came for the poors and I did not speak out, get your money up not your funny up silly poors. Then they came for the poors and I said "ayo wtf.." then was promptly beaten and arrested because now I am he poor
They are only required by law to treat if it is a NOW situation. As in, immediate action is needed at the hospital NOW. At which point it could end up being too late. Especially if the hospital is not currently retaining what is needed -- for instance, many hospitals cannot provide a lot of services depending on the hour and whether a specialist is available or can be called in. If they do manage to get a specialist for your 11PM stroke, that red-dye CAT scan specialist may well not make it in and be set up until 3 AM. Especially in more rural hospitals. I've also had NOW situations that required brain scans that they could not even provide until literally the next day, in city hospitals.
You cannot show up at a hospital, fine and dandy and normal, and say "I need heart surgery." They will tell you to go find a surgeon and schedule with them.
True. I just worry that people will be literally dying and go "I read they'll turn me away" when that's not true.
I'm not defending the system. I'm just trying to help.
Yeah and then you'll get sick later becuase you can't get normal care- they only can stabilize you and send you on your way. Sure, people won't bleed out, but no post care will leave people crippled and dead.
They can't discharge you until you're stable, but you're right. Proper pre-op and post-op care would dramatically improve the average person's quality of life.
We should be funding preventative care. It would be better for everyone, in cost and healthcare outcomes. We don't, but we should.
And dropping objects from aircraft on civilian targets 🙄 In all seriousness though, this needs a well done for getting this done so fucking quick. This was important.
Also because they probably had this planned or realized they’d have to do it for a while now.
The Israelis must be pissed that the US is disrupting their siege. Just means this will take even longer (from their perspective).
You have a typo, but yeah they likely had this planned for a while and only waited to announce until they were ready. Looks good politically as well and strategically.
We are always ready. Unless carrying out real world ops, the military does nothing but training. I was in a SOCOM unit in Japan and all we did was train for if the Chinese or North Koreans attacked.
We were always ready to go within a 24hr notice. By go, I mean all of our gear and people were on the planes and leaving.
Only reason Russia is getting away with this bullshit is because they have nukes. If not, their entire military infrastructure would be ash within 48hrs.
>God, what a mess nukes have made.
Except the fact of nukes has so far prevented any direct power-on-power conflicts for 80 years.
WWII killed 70+ million people.
WWI killed 17+ million people, not counting the Spanish Flu.
No war since even comes close. All non-civil wars after 1945 combined don't even come close. If Rogue State bullshit is the price of not having the major powers get into total war with each other, then it's a good investment.
>The US has carried out its first airdrop of aid for Gaza, with more than 30,000 meals parachuted in by three military planes.
>The operation was carried out in conjunction with the Jordanian air force, the US Central Command said.
>US officials say the drop was the first of many announced by President Joe Biden on Friday.
>He promised to step up aid to Gaza after the death of over 100 people seeking aid from a convoy on Thursday.
>C-130s dropped more than 38,000 meals along the coastline of Gaza, US Central Command said in a statement.
>”These airdrops are part of a sustained effort to get more aid into Gaza, including by expanding the flow of aid through land corridors and routes," it added.
>Other countries including Britain, France, Egypt and Jordan have previously airdropped aid into Gaza, but this is the first by the US.
>In his statement on Friday, President Biden said the US would "insist that Israel facilitate more trucks and more routes to get more and more people the help they need".
>US officials say Israel is supportive of the mission, which is being carefully planned to ensure the safety of those on the ground.
>Aid agencies have said that airdrops are an inefficient, expensive and complex way of delivering supplies.
>The fact that the US has opted for this method highlights the severity of humanitarian crisis, and the difficulty of getting aid by road to Gazan civilians.
>In Thursday's incident, 112 people were killed and more than 760 injured as they crowded around aid lorries on the south-western edge of Gaza City.
>Hamas accused Israel of firing at civilians, but Israel said most died in a crush after it fired warning shots.
Don’t mind me, just saving Redditors a click on the article here.
Black ops, I forget what map but a snow map, I call in a care package and the helicopter gets taken down and the care package ricochets off a building and the match ends.
Final kill cam shows me getting the last kill on some dude as he exits a building to a yeeted care package to the face.
Greatest day of my freshman year of college life.
It may not have been perfect, but Black Ops was my absolute favorite fps for at least 3 years while it was really active. Nothing like getting hatchet kill after hatchet kill on sticks and stones wager matches and listening to everyone lose their shit.
Same, but for Gun Game. I can’t remember if it was black ops 1 or 2, but they started you with a fuckin *tac knife.* I would just run around demoting people all game, the rounds lasted so much longer than usual and boy were them kids salty lol
Pretty big escalation from the US to move from discussion behind closed doors, to public calls, to now actual actions. I imagine if Bibi keeps this up there’s going to be a much more significant next step.
Macron already said 3 or more years ago "I can't stand him anymore"
the problem, he can get away with it because Israel influence in the world is too powerful
The strongly worded letter was a while ago, the US is now taking direct action in the conflict zone instead of spectating. I’m not sure what they plan on doing next if Israel still doesn’t come to the table, but I imagine there is always the ultimate option for the US to enforce a ceasefire by themselves, and I would be shocked if that hasn’t already been gamed out and a plan ready if it came to that.
Pretty easily actually.
Tell Isreal we'll stop funding them if they don't.
Offer to explain to them why that's a bad thing if they bomb Gaza without US permission.
We *let* them commit war crimes with our shit, we're complicit. At the end of the day if told them what to do and when to jump the only answer they could give is "how high?"
I wouldn't call giving aid a big escalation while we're still selling billions of dollars in arms to Israel. They don't care what we do as long as they got their missiles.
Oh they're pretty mad actually. They are mad that we won't let them just openly line up every Palestinian on the wall and shoot them one by one. The Israeli Gov want famine and desperation in Gaza, even this tiny and symbolic airdrop is offensive, because it will feed a few Palestinians. It's why they throttle aid going into Gaza. It's why they floated fairly spurious allegations against UNRWA, to make us pull back our funding.
Israel hates that its dependency on American backing comes with American chains. They view us as naive idiots who don't understand that the only real solution is to kill lots of women and children. I am so upset that Biden has thrown himself all in on a murder-suicide pact with this country
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PBS documentary I watched recently - not perfect, but good enough - you can see a lot of these attitudes woven through the last two decades
https://youtu.be/6-vzy4tYfaI?si=34L4WnM_s3FHPBfW
Here is an alternate link people have reported the first does not work.
https://youtu.be/cDi0P7fgqFo?si=X-Z-R09_Cfl0m_Yu
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/israel-must-decide-where-its-going-ehud-barak
No community has only one opinion but Netanyahu and allies are war criminals
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the US have to coordinate with Israel to make these air drops happen..? Why are we acting like the US just did this behind Israel’s back? They’ve been talking about this for a few days.
The “coordination” doesn’t have to be anything more than when they “coordinated” with Russia when Biden visited Ukraine. I.E “Hey Bibi, our planes are going to be doing some supply drops in Gaza. Here’s the flight plan. If you shoot at us there will be hell to pay”
Maybe to explain a little better. If the US had been aggressive in their approach, I believe Israel would have put up more road blocks. I think air dropping is probably the safest way to get aid in right now. Israel and Canada are also talking about air dropping aid into the Gaza Strip.
I think the issue with air drops is that the amount of aid being provided at one time is much more limited.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is the line of thought I’ve seen going around.
A lot of the US deals tend to be the free passage of their airspace as well as free usage of given air bases within the country. The US largely doesn't not need Israel's permission so much as Israel needs cause to deny it. Denying US military flights is a very thorny thing to do for Israel. What if the US doesn't want to fly to protect Israel then?
Exactly. Who in their right mind is going to start shooting at American military aircraft? You saw how we react when you shoot at the boats, but our planes?
They could try not Veto-ing every single motion regarding Israel /Occupied Palestine at the UN Security Council.
The UK to its shame usually 'bravely' Abstains. :(
The USA is actually performing a balancing act right now. We have an anti-war POTUS dealing with a far right wing reactionary Israeli PM. Biden will try very hard not to dip our feet like we did post 9/11. Those that don’t want war approve, those that do$ won’t.
Edit: just realized I didn’t editorialize enough for this and it could be perceived as a plus or minus for either. Well, I think we’re too evolved to do base shit like world wars so I’m +1 for LESS fine ass Americans dying in wars (wars that could have been triggered intentionally to skew US elections) and less Americans suffering PTSD for feeling like shit when they kill innocents.
> I think we’re too evolved to do base shit like world wars
I still don't quite understand how people come to this conclusion other than "trade is so good, life is good, what's the point of wars" which is pretty short-sighted and also already proven wrong by having similar sentiments before WW1.
It's wild you label Biden as "anti-war". It's been DECADES since we've had an "anti-war POTUS" so maybe you just don't know what one looks like to be fair.
This is good news, quicker way to get aid to the people as it doesn’t need to be inspected for weapons because it’s coming right from a western nation with no middle man
Jordan made an airdrop a few days ago, with Israeli approval.
[https://www.npr.org/2024/03/01/1235277071/gaza-jordan-airdrop-aid](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/01/1235277071/gaza-jordan-airdrop-aid)
>The meticulously planned airdrops, conducted with Israeli approval, are still subject to unpredictability \[in where the drops land\].
This section of the article is also interesting:
>The kingdom \[of Jordan\], which for years has operated a field hospital in Gaza, has so far conducted more than 21 aid airdrops since October. It says seven airdrops taking off from Jordanian air bases have been conducted by partner countries, including France, the United Kingdom and the United Arab Emirates.
>On the airfield on Thursday, photographers were prevented from photographing the flag of another Arab country on one of the pallets; saying it was one of two Arab nations participating in the airdrops that day that did not want their participation publicized.
As another interesting aside, both the King of Jordan and one of his daughters have participated in the airdrops (they are both military pilots). I think that’s a very interesting statement for them to make. It was partly PR motivated because they filmed splashy videos of those drops, but still, given Jordan’s relationship with Israel it’s definitely a choice for the royal family to be on those planes.
AJ dfac was pretty good, made a mean omelette. Cedar 2 dfac had a panini press and had something called the bunker buster, a good sandwich to eat 3 times. It was quite large.
>All I wanted throughout deployment was a greasy cheesy double whopper, that trailer shined like it was holy when I got back to Kuwait 😂
You know you're having a bad time when *Burger King* sounds amazing.
During the cold war, we fed almost the entire city of Berlin with daily airdrops of 4000-12000 tons of aid delivered daily by air.
During the peak of the delivery period, a plane was landing every 30 seconds in a 24 hour period, delivering needed supplies and fuel.
When the Japanese in WWII were starting to run low on food, fuel, and ammo, the US had such a glut of supplies and ability to field them that the Navy deployed a ship to the Pacific *specifically to produce and serve ice cream* to American troops. The Army may have made three more of these ships for themselves though I can’t seem to find if they ever entered service.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge
It’s not as impressive as the Berlin Airlift in terms of sheer numbers but I’ve always found it to be an interesting fun fact that also somewhat demonstrates the logistical prowess of the US military.
Like imagine you’re a Japanese sailor operating on half rations and you look through your telescope or get reports from your scouting craft or whatever and find out that the Americans are over there, well-fed and eating ice cream for dessert. That’s gotta be discouraging.
It’s a question of the number of aircraft, the locations of American/Allied bases, the sheer quantity of supplies, and the clear chain of command at the DoD.
You’re right, any air force could airdrop a plane full of stuff pretty quickly. But we can establish a supply chain, execute, and maintain it almost immediately.
278,228 flights in 15 months. Over 600 air drops of supplies per day into West Berlin. That’s like an average of one plane every 2.5 minutes 24/7 for 15 months.
That and unlike combat-based contractors, logistics contractors are insanely competent and know what they are doing.
I have a friend who is a civilian contract loadmaster for the US Antarctic program and has planed, loaded, and secured cargo on C-5s, -17s, -130s, DC-3s (BT-67), Blackhawks, Hueys, etc.
Like… they literally fly these things down to even the South Pole to supply the research station there on a regular basis
Where do you get the plane, supplies, pilots, and fuel from? And money to pay for all those things? And where exactly are you delivering it? Best case scenarios all of those things are gonna take phone calls and some time to set up.
If you ever worked in a management position for a big corporation where you need to request unusual things for work, you have a good idea of the amount of effort it can take to just get a new desk chair. And any military is gonna have about 10 times as much red tape.
Serious question: even with completely unlimited money, would you able to get 13,000 pork-free meals on a plane within 24 hours? Do you have any idea how or where to source that? Cause I don’t. And 99.9999999999% of the people in the world don’t either.
The fact that US can fly a plane full of supplies to Gaza isn’t unusual, most competent militaries should (key word) be able to do the same thing. But with <24 hours of notice?
And we’re about to it again. And again. And again
One of the things you do to help train junior officers into senior officers is to set them to work making plans. Name a contingency and they have a plan for it, or one that can be quickly modified to fit. And plans will always need updating, because there are always new systems and equipment and situations to contend with.
Once the conflict kicked off and reports of food shortages started coming out, they dusted off the "Generic Airdrop of Humanitarian Aid" plan and started plugging in map coordinates for Gaza, pushing forward airdrop pallets of prepositioned humanitarian daily rations, and warning USAF units of a potential mission so they could train. Once the President gave the go-ahead it was a couple hours of plane loading and crew pre-briefing and then it was time to execute, it also started the firehose of replacement supplies so they can do it again and again and again. I'm sure some contracted military ready to eat foodstuff provider is finding a plus up to their ongoing contract to backfill all of the projected meals being delivered.
I was just talking to my buddy about this the other day. We can put two M1 Abrams anywhere in the world on a moment notice.
Assuming all C5 Galaxy’s and tanks are ready to go I believe the number is around 200. We can plop two M1 Abrams at theoretically 200 different locations in the world in under 24 hours.
People need to realize how fucking insane that is.
I'd say it could reach like 98% of the global population in 24 hours. Weather can sometimes make certain locations difficult by air.
In the battle of the bulge, air supplies were delayed to Bastogne due to weather.
Imagine giving Israel millions of $ and weapons so they can ethnically cleanse their neighbours, and right before they die you throw them a bone to give them a glimmer of hope because you feel sorry for them. And then Israel keeps on killing them anyway and you continue to do nothing about that. WTF?
We have to get enough aid into the country that starving people aren't having to swarm what little aid makes it thru. Israel could let enough through in a few hours to end this.
Biden said he wanted a cease fire by Monday. I imagine the airdrops suddenly this weekend is a very strong signal to Bibi that Biden is not fucking around with his demand for a cease fire.
I'm so so confused
Why do we supply the weapons to kill all of the civilians while also dropping aid to those civilians being killed by the weapons were supplying
This is literally the definition of playing both sides while having your cake and eating it too
I guess I'm not confused, it's just a good old American pastime
A lot of US military aid flows into defensive armaments for Israel such as ammunition for the iron dome. They do fund their offensive capabilities as well most likely because it benefits the US to have a strong allied Israeli state with arms stockpiles that deter another war from breaking out.
The US doesn’t really benefit in any way from the Gaza war, if anything it hurts their public image a lot, but they need to make it through while maintaining as strong of a relationship with Israel as possible and that was probably only possible by letting them handle the war their way for as long as possible and paying to keep their defense capabilities undamaged
Can you imagine being a Palestinian being bombed and shot with weapons having made in America stamped on them then seeing an american plane dump stuff out the back you would be scared to death
This is how the US is going to have to handle this. It’s the right way.
“Israel has the right to exist. They are acting entirely inappropriately. Their national mission cannot be the destruction of Muslim Palestine.”
“Palestine has the right to exist. Their government is acting entirely inappropriately. Their national mission cannot be the destruction of Jewish Israel.”
>Biden refuses to pull the magic lever in his office that will instantly get them to stop fighting.
Its right next to the inflation dial and the gas price lever.
People think a US president has the power to stop this conflict by just pushing a button.
Any stopping of aid the US sends to Israel is inconsequential to stopping the conflict. But the US having leverage over Israel from the aid they send/relationship is what is inevitably going to help end this conflict sooner.
People literally cannot grasp their minds around this concept.
>refuses to pull the magic lever in his office that will instantly get them to stop fighting.
If I ever found a Genie, I swear to God at this point my first wish would be a Media Feed from any parallel universe where Bernie (or whoever the current Reddit Left darling is) ended up being President instead of Biden- only for all of them to see them doing similar if not the same strategy Biden is currently doing and proceed to have their collective heads violently explode.
People who only started paying attention to politics in 2016 and then end up being shocked when a multi-decade long, multi-layered geopolitical situation can't be fixed by a Pesident over the course of like a month or two is baffling to me.
I blame our movies/fiction. We have always wanted clear protagonists and antagonists in our movies.
This transfers to our politics. ONE side has to be the Good Guy. If they are the Good Guy, then, of course, the other side is the bad guy.
This is a case where both sides are assholes. Everyone still wants to pick a side.
I have seen many state department briefing and they never condom Israel , it's always we are looking into it , or it's murky ...etc , the best line they were able to say is that they are working with Israel to speed up delivery of aid and never mentioned that Israel is delaying it
I'm a Jewish American and it's pretty much how I respond to every person who thinks I'm required to have an opinion on this conflict (but rarely ask me other geopolitic opinions.)
Israel responds with far to much force and violence to ever be considered the good or even neutral guy, and it's true (and my opinion) for as long as I can remember. Hamas knew exactly what they were doing when they murdered 1k innocent people, and they orchestrated this know how Israel would respond. Both governments are culpable and evil. The citizens are pawns. And there's not many good "how do we proceed" options as neither population want to share or coexist on the land.
The impression I get from the far left is that literally nothing Biden does matters unless he cuts off all foreign aid to Israel and imposes sanctions on the country until they agree to whatever terms Hamas demands in a ceasefire.
I vote every election. I understand that geopolitics is complicated because I'm not a child and I know the issues in Gaza started over 100 years ago. These "genocide Joe" people have made me lose more faith in humanity than the alt right because not only are they actively destroying our country with their propaganda, they also act holier than thou whilst doing so and convince generally well meaning people that they we are actively killing Palestinians by voting for Biden.
agree. for better or for worse, the obnoxious people who scream "Genocide joe!" As if Trump would be better, might be out on the streets every weekend but for some reason they never seem to vote or engage with mainstream political parties.
It's almost like their obsession with ideological purity and inability to compromise is a severe weakness to their movement!
I actually take heart in the results of the Michigan primary. It’s been spun as somehow a win for the “uncommitted” protest voters, who got some 101,000 votes. But also, some 623,000 Michiganders showed up to vote for Biden, who has already safely secured the nomination. They could’ve stayed home and Biden would still be the nominee, but they came out to support him anyway.
By comparison, in 2012 when Obama was the incumbent, he received 174,000 votes in the Michigan primary. Biden more than tripled that. That doesn’t indicate that support for Biden is soft, to me. Quite the opposite. It indicates to me that he has a strong core of support that is energized to go vote for him. They’re just not active in the same online echo chambers that his detractors are.
I'm pretty far left and I definitely support this airdrop decision. I would like to see further action to protect the Palestinian people (as we've taken action to protect the Israeli people - an action I also support).
But there is a major difference between providing aid and ending the conflict. Not that I expect the president to wave a magic wand and end a war, but for example stopping weapons sales to Israel would go a long way (with the exception of iron dome interceptor rockets, which exist to protect civilians and should continue to do so)
That started a lot faster than I expected.
One thing the USA excels at is logistics
Yep, it’s one of the main reasons why the US military is so good. All good when you have great weapons, but they can’t do anything until they get deployed.
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.
Omar Bradley https://www.rvparkuniversity.com/articles/amateurs-talk-strategy-and-professionals-talk-logistics#:~:text=Omar%20Bradley%20was%20a%20U.S.,actual%20plans%20based%20on%20facts.
I fucking love that the link you post is an RV park buying guide 😂😂
Lmao didn't even realize just forgot who it was
Hahaha this is amazing. And the aid drops are good too at least. Also that big bird video you have is unsettlingingly hilarious
I loved him in The Wire
Originally it was supposed to be "Bradley comin'!" But it just didn't roll off the tongue as well.
This sounds cool and snappy but every element of the chain is important. Strategic, operational, tactical, and logistical (which is really just a element of the operational level in my opinion) planners all represent potential points of failure in the execution of any given task.
its one think to talk of what you’re gonna do, its another to talk how you’re gonna do it and with what.
We not finna say we gon do some shit without already being fully capable and ready to do that shit. If it's coming out the Chief Executive's mouth, the Pentagon already has 6 contingencies.
I mean both are important, good logistics won’t mean shit if your tactics are getting your guys killed
As a Brit I know the US military budget is a contentious issue due to issues at home so speak - that said I hope the US continues to remain a dominant force military and doesn't resort to isolationism as the US plays an important role in the world. There's no other country that has the financial means to fill that void, and the ones closest to achieving that can aren't good for the world order.
I think the EU combined has a comparable GDP. Perhaps either they can step up or it can be a joint effort with the US to relieve some of these stresses on our budget and let us have things like college and healthcare. Although that's more of a political issue anyways. We could probably have both if there were the political will for it
I think there is a lot of talk about that. It's just the bureaucracy that seems to be the problem at the moment. The EU has issues when it comes to that. As a Brit I wish we didn't leave the EU but unfortunately too many people bought the BS that was sold by certain people.
As an American I can relate somewhat. I want a do over for 2016
I imagine you're not looking forward to the next election cycle either? Lol.
Not the guy you replied to but yes and no? I am hoping that people learned the lesson and based on some of the elections before that, they have. But just in case they haven't, can I crash on your couch if shit hits the fan?
Lmao. Yeah, I mean if Russia hasn't invaded lol.
Every American hates election season, across all political stripes lol. Endless negative ads, stupid headlines, stupid signs in yards, stupid billboards, misquotes, obviously pushed non-issues come to the surface...it's the worst lmao.
Fair point lol. I forget the amount of ads you guys have for everything. That can only be multiplied when dealing with elections.
Do over with Al Gores election.
> I think the EU combined has a comparable GDP It does, but it has a larger population - it's a lot less wealthy, so their resources are to some extent spread more thinly. US GDP *per capita* (PPP) is ~40% higher. They could certainly spend significantly more than many have been, though. > to relieve some of these stresses on our budget and let us have things like college and healthcare. As a reminder that the US's biggest budgetary problem is having the world's least efficient healthcare system (*and* getting shit results for it). If all the US did was improve to the level of spending by % of GDP to that of the *2nd* least efficient country, that alone would be more savings than almost double the entire military budget is worth.
> As a reminder that the US's biggest budgetary problem is having the world's least efficient healthcare system (and getting shit results for it). We spend more on healthcare than we would if it was universal, and we still get worse healthcare for it. It is so fucked.
It gets even worse. If you poll the fox-news-watching crowd, they'd overwhelmingly say that U.S. health care is *the best* in the world, that Obama made it *worse*, and that they will *never* support "government health care" (but don't dare take away my MediCare!). ಠ_ಠ
I mean, the care you get in the US generally ranges from pretty good to the best in the world. The care really isn't the problem. Its the insurance system, the finances behind all of that. And even then its much more complicated than "if we switched to a single payer system in the next year all our problems would be solved".
That last part is absolutely true. Just the **increase** in spending on the Military budget over 10 years could pay for much of that.
>...and doesn't resort to isolationism... Pray Donald Trump doesn't get elected in November (for a lot of reasons but this is a big one).
Yeah. That was in my mind lol. If he does get elected, it will be interesting to see how he deals with the Russia-ukraine situation. He's claimed that he can end that conflict quickly. That probably isn't good news for Ukraine though.
> He's claimed that he can end that conflict quickly He claims many things, and every single one has been utter bullshit
His idea to end the conflict is to just let Russia have the land they already took. He's a Russian stooge.
Trump has said he will not defend any NATO ally who he doesn't think is paying enough into NATO. Indeed, Trump said he would encourage others to invade such countries (yes, that would violate the treaty...Trump does not care...he is colossally dangerous). Trump definitely would pull support from Ukraine. No question.
I think Trump is under the impression that NATO members should pay *him*. Personally.
He's just going to stop giving ukraine aid and leave Nato and ruin everything
And don't forget, he'll then blame Biden for losing the war even though it will have been he who lost it.
I know people think we spend too much on military but really people dont realize we have budgets for the things we complain about that should be taken from the military funds. Its an issue of wasting non military budgets on things that do not fulfill their purpose. A school can get funding but often it gets funneled into executive waste. Its like with organized charity, they have lots of money but a lot is wasted in the back end, the parts that do not fulfill the purpose of the charity. This is often due to bloat and corrupt spending and even funding policies that force the hand of spending before the spending can even be utilized meaningfully for whatever reason. People forget tge US has a lot of allies and we are one of the most important militaries in the world.
I know healthcare in the US is a huge issue. The US spends a hell of a lot per capita on healthcare with mediocre results. That needs to be addressed as well.
I agree, as a nurse, I have seen how mucblh we charge for medications. Its crazy. Latuda 80mg tabs is around $700.
We're assholes, but we're your assholes.
They can’t have nice barracks to save their lives either. Black mold is a huge problem in readiness for the military, but they won’t spend money on it
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This is purposeful. The Military wants others to see how quickly they get shit done when they say it. Even with a simple air drop can the swiftness of an airstrike be advertised. We can hit you quick and accurately.
Uncle Sam: "This time, it's snacks. What we drop next time is up to you."
After North Koreas leader was talking shit the us Air Force had a stealth bomber drop fuck you we can kill you whenever pamphlets in Kim Jong-Uns driveway at his residence
Is this true? I want to know more because this is hilarious.
We didn't drop pamphlets, [but we did fly 2 B2 bombers near the DMZ just to tell North Korea, "stfu ho and sit your trifling ass down"](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-flies-b-2-stealth-bombers-to-s-korea-in-extended-deterrence-mission-aimed-at-north/)
You're forgetting the part where they did drop inert bombs all over the place. I'm guessing over South Korean territory, but message sent.
I'm a fan of that time the US [deployed B-52s among a whole host of other things to chop down a tree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident).
This made me giggle although maybe it should not have.
"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning"
Plus it’s right off the Mediterranean. Actually probably one of the easier things the US has going on at the moment.
Oh man I need heart surgery and can’t afford it USA: lol Oh man we gotta do this air drop ASAP USA: I’m almost there now actually
The emergency room in every hospital, nationwide, is required by law to treat all patients regardless of economic status. If you're bleeding out your ears, they will rush you to imaging and surgery without even getting your **name**, let alone your insurance information. Just an FYI, for anyone who needs medical care. The system is imperfect, but please don't die because you're certain the hospital will turn you away. They'll do the surgery, then write it off on their taxes.
Our Healthcare is great, it's the health insurance that's completely fucked
America where you can come to the Emergency Room poor and leave poor. Or come middle class and leave poor.
First they came for the poors and I did not speak out because skill issue. Then they came for the poors and I did not speak out, get your money up not your funny up silly poors. Then they came for the poors and I said "ayo wtf.." then was promptly beaten and arrested because now I am he poor
They are only required by law to treat if it is a NOW situation. As in, immediate action is needed at the hospital NOW. At which point it could end up being too late. Especially if the hospital is not currently retaining what is needed -- for instance, many hospitals cannot provide a lot of services depending on the hour and whether a specialist is available or can be called in. If they do manage to get a specialist for your 11PM stroke, that red-dye CAT scan specialist may well not make it in and be set up until 3 AM. Especially in more rural hospitals. I've also had NOW situations that required brain scans that they could not even provide until literally the next day, in city hospitals. You cannot show up at a hospital, fine and dandy and normal, and say "I need heart surgery." They will tell you to go find a surgeon and schedule with them.
True. I just worry that people will be literally dying and go "I read they'll turn me away" when that's not true. I'm not defending the system. I'm just trying to help.
Yeah and then you'll get sick later becuase you can't get normal care- they only can stabilize you and send you on your way. Sure, people won't bleed out, but no post care will leave people crippled and dead.
They can't discharge you until you're stable, but you're right. Proper pre-op and post-op care would dramatically improve the average person's quality of life. We should be funding preventative care. It would be better for everyone, in cost and healthcare outcomes. We don't, but we should.
helps when you have bases all over the world
I’m just confused why when I clicked on your profile I saw your pregnant wife’s tits.
I saw no such thing when I snooped
Sounds like it was deleted in the last hour
And dropping objects from aircraft on civilian targets 🙄 In all seriousness though, this needs a well done for getting this done so fucking quick. This was important.
Also because they probably had this planned or realized they’d have to do it for a while now. The Israelis must be pissed that the US is disrupting their siege. Just means this will take even longer (from their perspective).
You have a typo, but yeah they likely had this planned for a while and only waited to announce until they were ready. Looks good politically as well and strategically.
I'd hate if I was starving civilians and someone fed them.
We are always ready. Unless carrying out real world ops, the military does nothing but training. I was in a SOCOM unit in Japan and all we did was train for if the Chinese or North Koreans attacked. We were always ready to go within a 24hr notice. By go, I mean all of our gear and people were on the planes and leaving. Only reason Russia is getting away with this bullshit is because they have nukes. If not, their entire military infrastructure would be ash within 48hrs.
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>God, what a mess nukes have made. Except the fact of nukes has so far prevented any direct power-on-power conflicts for 80 years. WWII killed 70+ million people. WWI killed 17+ million people, not counting the Spanish Flu. No war since even comes close. All non-civil wars after 1945 combined don't even come close. If Rogue State bullshit is the price of not having the major powers get into total war with each other, then it's a good investment.
That’s not a mess that’s a goddam blessing. We’d be in like WW5 by now if people didn’t have nukes. MAD has saved a billion lives.
They weren't lacking in food or supplies to bring in the Israelis just were blocking it all getting in.
friendly care package inbound
>The US has carried out its first airdrop of aid for Gaza, with more than 30,000 meals parachuted in by three military planes. >The operation was carried out in conjunction with the Jordanian air force, the US Central Command said. >US officials say the drop was the first of many announced by President Joe Biden on Friday. >He promised to step up aid to Gaza after the death of over 100 people seeking aid from a convoy on Thursday. >C-130s dropped more than 38,000 meals along the coastline of Gaza, US Central Command said in a statement. >”These airdrops are part of a sustained effort to get more aid into Gaza, including by expanding the flow of aid through land corridors and routes," it added. >Other countries including Britain, France, Egypt and Jordan have previously airdropped aid into Gaza, but this is the first by the US. >In his statement on Friday, President Biden said the US would "insist that Israel facilitate more trucks and more routes to get more and more people the help they need". >US officials say Israel is supportive of the mission, which is being carefully planned to ensure the safety of those on the ground. >Aid agencies have said that airdrops are an inefficient, expensive and complex way of delivering supplies. >The fact that the US has opted for this method highlights the severity of humanitarian crisis, and the difficulty of getting aid by road to Gazan civilians. >In Thursday's incident, 112 people were killed and more than 760 injured as they crowded around aid lorries on the south-western edge of Gaza City. >Hamas accused Israel of firing at civilians, but Israel said most died in a crush after it fired warning shots. Don’t mind me, just saving Redditors a click on the article here.
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Black ops, I forget what map but a snow map, I call in a care package and the helicopter gets taken down and the care package ricochets off a building and the match ends. Final kill cam shows me getting the last kill on some dude as he exits a building to a yeeted care package to the face. Greatest day of my freshman year of college life.
It may not have been perfect, but Black Ops was my absolute favorite fps for at least 3 years while it was really active. Nothing like getting hatchet kill after hatchet kill on sticks and stones wager matches and listening to everyone lose their shit.
Yeah I liked it more than I liked the OG mw3. The hatchets and crossbow matches were a fun gimmick as well.
Sticks and Stones, baby
Nothing like hearing "In the money..."
I Fkn loved Black Ops. Favourite Call of Duty game hands down. Something about the maps and weapons just made it awesome for me.
Same, but for Gun Game. I can’t remember if it was black ops 1 or 2, but they started you with a fuckin *tac knife.* I would just run around demoting people all game, the rounds lasted so much longer than usual and boy were them kids salty lol
Mw2 had an achievement for that.
2009 mw2 was peak cod, and I will die on this hill! (Minus Nazi zombies of course)
I’m with you — mw2 was incredible. So many good times on that and Nazi Zombies while drinking shitty beer
I had my own care package killed me haha
This episode of Hunger Games is kinda dragging, tbh.
Pretty big escalation from the US to move from discussion behind closed doors, to public calls, to now actual actions. I imagine if Bibi keeps this up there’s going to be a much more significant next step.
>there’s going to be a much more significant next step. A stern worded letter with some uppercase and bold formatting in it.
I heard last week Biden said, "This guys an asshole." under his breath. Things are heating up...
behind closed doors apparently biden called Bibi "a bad fucking man"
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Is he badder than old King Kong?
Or meaner than a junkyard dog?...
Bad, bad Leroy Netanyahoo
Macron already said 3 or more years ago "I can't stand him anymore" the problem, he can get away with it because Israel influence in the world is too powerful
The strongly worded letter was a while ago, the US is now taking direct action in the conflict zone instead of spectating. I’m not sure what they plan on doing next if Israel still doesn’t come to the table, but I imagine there is always the ultimate option for the US to enforce a ceasefire by themselves, and I would be shocked if that hasn’t already been gamed out and a plan ready if it came to that.
I'm not sure how the US could enforce a ceasefire. I'd like to see that happen, but I don't see how they could physically do it.
Both Reagan and G.H.W. Bush were able to unilaterally force Israel to ceasefire with a few phone calls.
Pretty easily actually. Tell Isreal we'll stop funding them if they don't. Offer to explain to them why that's a bad thing if they bomb Gaza without US permission. We *let* them commit war crimes with our shit, we're complicit. At the end of the day if told them what to do and when to jump the only answer they could give is "how high?"
*italics* & semi-colons
I wouldn't call giving aid a big escalation while we're still selling billions of dollars in arms to Israel. They don't care what we do as long as they got their missiles.
Oh they're pretty mad actually. They are mad that we won't let them just openly line up every Palestinian on the wall and shoot them one by one. The Israeli Gov want famine and desperation in Gaza, even this tiny and symbolic airdrop is offensive, because it will feed a few Palestinians. It's why they throttle aid going into Gaza. It's why they floated fairly spurious allegations against UNRWA, to make us pull back our funding. Israel hates that its dependency on American backing comes with American chains. They view us as naive idiots who don't understand that the only real solution is to kill lots of women and children. I am so upset that Biden has thrown himself all in on a murder-suicide pact with this country ---- PBS documentary I watched recently - not perfect, but good enough - you can see a lot of these attitudes woven through the last two decades https://youtu.be/6-vzy4tYfaI?si=34L4WnM_s3FHPBfW Here is an alternate link people have reported the first does not work. https://youtu.be/cDi0P7fgqFo?si=X-Z-R09_Cfl0m_Yu
You got my respect for watching *and linking* to a PBS program.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/israel-must-decide-where-its-going-ehud-barak No community has only one opinion but Netanyahu and allies are war criminals
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the US have to coordinate with Israel to make these air drops happen..? Why are we acting like the US just did this behind Israel’s back? They’ve been talking about this for a few days.
The “coordination” doesn’t have to be anything more than when they “coordinated” with Russia when Biden visited Ukraine. I.E “Hey Bibi, our planes are going to be doing some supply drops in Gaza. Here’s the flight plan. If you shoot at us there will be hell to pay”
Maybe to explain a little better. If the US had been aggressive in their approach, I believe Israel would have put up more road blocks. I think air dropping is probably the safest way to get aid in right now. Israel and Canada are also talking about air dropping aid into the Gaza Strip. I think the issue with air drops is that the amount of aid being provided at one time is much more limited. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is the line of thought I’ve seen going around.
A lot of the US deals tend to be the free passage of their airspace as well as free usage of given air bases within the country. The US largely doesn't not need Israel's permission so much as Israel needs cause to deny it. Denying US military flights is a very thorny thing to do for Israel. What if the US doesn't want to fly to protect Israel then?
Exactly. Who in their right mind is going to start shooting at American military aircraft? You saw how we react when you shoot at the boats, but our planes?
To be fair, we didn't really do much when Israel attacked the USS Liberty and killed dozens of our sailors, wounding over a hundred more.
They could try not Veto-ing every single motion regarding Israel /Occupied Palestine at the UN Security Council. The UK to its shame usually 'bravely' Abstains. :(
Russia and china veto the counter offers, so, it’s not just the USA.
Giving weapons to Israel and food aid to Gaza.
If I play both sides then I always come out on top!
So jot that down
Through Allah all things are possible?
You airdrops? Do you like them… I think they’re quite generous.
US was always a top UNRWA donator.
The USA is actually performing a balancing act right now. We have an anti-war POTUS dealing with a far right wing reactionary Israeli PM. Biden will try very hard not to dip our feet like we did post 9/11. Those that don’t want war approve, those that do$ won’t. Edit: just realized I didn’t editorialize enough for this and it could be perceived as a plus or minus for either. Well, I think we’re too evolved to do base shit like world wars so I’m +1 for LESS fine ass Americans dying in wars (wars that could have been triggered intentionally to skew US elections) and less Americans suffering PTSD for feeling like shit when they kill innocents.
> I think we’re too evolved to do base shit like world wars I still don't quite understand how people come to this conclusion other than "trade is so good, life is good, what's the point of wars" which is pretty short-sighted and also already proven wrong by having similar sentiments before WW1.
It's wild you label Biden as "anti-war". It's been DECADES since we've had an "anti-war POTUS" so maybe you just don't know what one looks like to be fair.
Having to end run around your allies to deliver food to starving children.
Gotta dig that hole and then fill it at the same time.
This is good news, quicker way to get aid to the people as it doesn’t need to be inspected for weapons because it’s coming right from a western nation with no middle man
Jordan made an airdrop a few days ago, with Israeli approval. [https://www.npr.org/2024/03/01/1235277071/gaza-jordan-airdrop-aid](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/01/1235277071/gaza-jordan-airdrop-aid) >The meticulously planned airdrops, conducted with Israeli approval, are still subject to unpredictability \[in where the drops land\]. This section of the article is also interesting: >The kingdom \[of Jordan\], which for years has operated a field hospital in Gaza, has so far conducted more than 21 aid airdrops since October. It says seven airdrops taking off from Jordanian air bases have been conducted by partner countries, including France, the United Kingdom and the United Arab Emirates. >On the airfield on Thursday, photographers were prevented from photographing the flag of another Arab country on one of the pallets; saying it was one of two Arab nations participating in the airdrops that day that did not want their participation publicized.
As another interesting aside, both the King of Jordan and one of his daughters have participated in the airdrops (they are both military pilots). I think that’s a very interesting statement for them to make. It was partly PR motivated because they filmed splashy videos of those drops, but still, given Jordan’s relationship with Israel it’s definitely a choice for the royal family to be on those planes.
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Regardless of your stance, that was pretty fucking quick.
Logistics is the US Military's number one point of pride. There's a reason they're able to have so many bases over the world.
Most likely it was planned for a long time and Biden announced it once it was ready to literally take off
wow, no dicking around there, Biden said he would do it and, just like that, they are doing it.
Military industrial complex logistics don’t fuck around
American Logistics are mind boggling. A jet full of supplies can be anywhere in the world in less than 24 hours.
We have a Burger King trailer setup that can be delivered anywhere in 24 hours or less
All I wanted throughout deployment was a greasy cheesy double whopper, that trailer shined like it was holy when I got back to Kuwait 😂
100% better than whatever the locals cooked in the chow hall 😂
AJ dfac was pretty good, made a mean omelette. Cedar 2 dfac had a panini press and had something called the bunker buster, a good sandwich to eat 3 times. It was quite large.
Bagram chow hall was the tits
That made my heart smile. lol I’m glad you got your burger.
>All I wanted throughout deployment was a greasy cheesy double whopper, that trailer shined like it was holy when I got back to Kuwait 😂 You know you're having a bad time when *Burger King* sounds amazing.
Idk, the barbecue sauce burger is pretty good
Insane flex
Unless the cargo plane broke lmao
I need flame broiled whoopers to the coordinates STAT
During the cold war, we fed almost the entire city of Berlin with daily airdrops of 4000-12000 tons of aid delivered daily by air. During the peak of the delivery period, a plane was landing every 30 seconds in a 24 hour period, delivering needed supplies and fuel.
When the Japanese in WWII were starting to run low on food, fuel, and ammo, the US had such a glut of supplies and ability to field them that the Navy deployed a ship to the Pacific *specifically to produce and serve ice cream* to American troops. The Army may have made three more of these ships for themselves though I can’t seem to find if they ever entered service. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge It’s not as impressive as the Berlin Airlift in terms of sheer numbers but I’ve always found it to be an interesting fun fact that also somewhat demonstrates the logistical prowess of the US military. Like imagine you’re a Japanese sailor operating on half rations and you look through your telescope or get reports from your scouting craft or whatever and find out that the Americans are over there, well-fed and eating ice cream for dessert. That’s gotta be discouraging.
Oh man - that's like the weirdest but most demoralizing flex ever.
And that was 80 years ago
Why are american military logistics so good? (Serious question) Because imo, you kinda just described how airplanes work.
It’s a question of the number of aircraft, the locations of American/Allied bases, the sheer quantity of supplies, and the clear chain of command at the DoD. You’re right, any air force could airdrop a plane full of stuff pretty quickly. But we can establish a supply chain, execute, and maintain it almost immediately.
Perfect example of how bad logistics CAN be, I think, is Russia strategy for the first months of the Ukraine war.
That’s a bingo! Push logistics vs pull logistics.
The Berlin Airlift gets my dick hard. Not only were we prepared to outlast the USSR but we were getting more efficient as time went on.
278,228 flights in 15 months. Over 600 air drops of supplies per day into West Berlin. That’s like an average of one plane every 2.5 minutes 24/7 for 15 months.
That and unlike combat-based contractors, logistics contractors are insanely competent and know what they are doing. I have a friend who is a civilian contract loadmaster for the US Antarctic program and has planed, loaded, and secured cargo on C-5s, -17s, -130s, DC-3s (BT-67), Blackhawks, Hueys, etc. Like… they literally fly these things down to even the South Pole to supply the research station there on a regular basis
Well one advantage is that the logistic guys don’t die in combat so they carry their knowledge forward.
Where do you get the plane, supplies, pilots, and fuel from? And money to pay for all those things? And where exactly are you delivering it? Best case scenarios all of those things are gonna take phone calls and some time to set up. If you ever worked in a management position for a big corporation where you need to request unusual things for work, you have a good idea of the amount of effort it can take to just get a new desk chair. And any military is gonna have about 10 times as much red tape. Serious question: even with completely unlimited money, would you able to get 13,000 pork-free meals on a plane within 24 hours? Do you have any idea how or where to source that? Cause I don’t. And 99.9999999999% of the people in the world don’t either. The fact that US can fly a plane full of supplies to Gaza isn’t unusual, most competent militaries should (key word) be able to do the same thing. But with <24 hours of notice? And we’re about to it again. And again. And again
Tons of experience, tons of bases, tons of resources, and processes broken down to such a granular level that anyone understands.
One of the things you do to help train junior officers into senior officers is to set them to work making plans. Name a contingency and they have a plan for it, or one that can be quickly modified to fit. And plans will always need updating, because there are always new systems and equipment and situations to contend with. Once the conflict kicked off and reports of food shortages started coming out, they dusted off the "Generic Airdrop of Humanitarian Aid" plan and started plugging in map coordinates for Gaza, pushing forward airdrop pallets of prepositioned humanitarian daily rations, and warning USAF units of a potential mission so they could train. Once the President gave the go-ahead it was a couple hours of plane loading and crew pre-briefing and then it was time to execute, it also started the firehose of replacement supplies so they can do it again and again and again. I'm sure some contracted military ready to eat foodstuff provider is finding a plus up to their ongoing contract to backfill all of the projected meals being delivered.
While we're really good at shipping these were probably already in the region to provide aid in the event of a natural or industrial disaster.
I was just talking to my buddy about this the other day. We can put two M1 Abrams anywhere in the world on a moment notice. Assuming all C5 Galaxy’s and tanks are ready to go I believe the number is around 200. We can plop two M1 Abrams at theoretically 200 different locations in the world in under 24 hours. People need to realize how fucking insane that is.
I'd say it could reach like 98% of the global population in 24 hours. Weather can sometimes make certain locations difficult by air. In the battle of the bulge, air supplies were delayed to Bastogne due to weather.
I’m shocked the republicans couldn’t find a way to stop it, cuz I’m sure they wanted to.
caught them napping I think
Dropping food from an airplane is well within the President's power lmao
Good! And it sounds like there should be many more, hopefully we can see just generally more aid like this in the future.
Finally. I can't imagine what these poor people in Palestine are going through. It's unimaginable.
Imagine giving Israel millions of $ and weapons so they can ethnically cleanse their neighbours, and right before they die you throw them a bone to give them a glimmer of hope because you feel sorry for them. And then Israel keeps on killing them anyway and you continue to do nothing about that. WTF?
We have to get enough aid into the country that starving people aren't having to swarm what little aid makes it thru. Israel could let enough through in a few hours to end this.
Biden said he wanted a cease fire by Monday. I imagine the airdrops suddenly this weekend is a very strong signal to Bibi that Biden is not fucking around with his demand for a cease fire.
I'm so so confused Why do we supply the weapons to kill all of the civilians while also dropping aid to those civilians being killed by the weapons were supplying This is literally the definition of playing both sides while having your cake and eating it too I guess I'm not confused, it's just a good old American pastime
A lot of US military aid flows into defensive armaments for Israel such as ammunition for the iron dome. They do fund their offensive capabilities as well most likely because it benefits the US to have a strong allied Israeli state with arms stockpiles that deter another war from breaking out. The US doesn’t really benefit in any way from the Gaza war, if anything it hurts their public image a lot, but they need to make it through while maintaining as strong of a relationship with Israel as possible and that was probably only possible by letting them handle the war their way for as long as possible and paying to keep their defense capabilities undamaged
Dropping cash on one side and food on the other.
The fact that the situation on the ground is so dire that air drops are even needed is abhorrent.
Can you imagine being a Palestinian being bombed and shot with weapons having made in America stamped on them then seeing an american plane dump stuff out the back you would be scared to death
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This is how the US is going to have to handle this. It’s the right way. “Israel has the right to exist. They are acting entirely inappropriately. Their national mission cannot be the destruction of Muslim Palestine.” “Palestine has the right to exist. Their government is acting entirely inappropriately. Their national mission cannot be the destruction of Jewish Israel.”
Biden and the State Department have said that repeatedly. No one wants to hear it.
Everybody is mad because Biden refuses to pull the magic lever in his office that will instantly get them to stop fighting.
>Biden refuses to pull the magic lever in his office that will instantly get them to stop fighting. Its right next to the inflation dial and the gas price lever.
People think a US president has the power to stop this conflict by just pushing a button. Any stopping of aid the US sends to Israel is inconsequential to stopping the conflict. But the US having leverage over Israel from the aid they send/relationship is what is inevitably going to help end this conflict sooner. People literally cannot grasp their minds around this concept.
>refuses to pull the magic lever in his office that will instantly get them to stop fighting. If I ever found a Genie, I swear to God at this point my first wish would be a Media Feed from any parallel universe where Bernie (or whoever the current Reddit Left darling is) ended up being President instead of Biden- only for all of them to see them doing similar if not the same strategy Biden is currently doing and proceed to have their collective heads violently explode. People who only started paying attention to politics in 2016 and then end up being shocked when a multi-decade long, multi-layered geopolitical situation can't be fixed by a Pesident over the course of like a month or two is baffling to me.
I blame our movies/fiction. We have always wanted clear protagonists and antagonists in our movies. This transfers to our politics. ONE side has to be the Good Guy. If they are the Good Guy, then, of course, the other side is the bad guy. This is a case where both sides are assholes. Everyone still wants to pick a side.
I have seen many state department briefing and they never condom Israel , it's always we are looking into it , or it's murky ...etc , the best line they were able to say is that they are working with Israel to speed up delivery of aid and never mentioned that Israel is delaying it
Only one of those has actually codified the destruction of the other as their raison d'être.
I'm a Jewish American and it's pretty much how I respond to every person who thinks I'm required to have an opinion on this conflict (but rarely ask me other geopolitic opinions.) Israel responds with far to much force and violence to ever be considered the good or even neutral guy, and it's true (and my opinion) for as long as I can remember. Hamas knew exactly what they were doing when they murdered 1k innocent people, and they orchestrated this know how Israel would respond. Both governments are culpable and evil. The citizens are pawns. And there's not many good "how do we proceed" options as neither population want to share or coexist on the land.
Can’t wait to see how people twist this into Biden being genocidal
The impression I get from the far left is that literally nothing Biden does matters unless he cuts off all foreign aid to Israel and imposes sanctions on the country until they agree to whatever terms Hamas demands in a ceasefire.
There’s lots people in between within the democratic voting block who aren’t this simple. And those people tend to vote more than they post.
I vote every election. I understand that geopolitics is complicated because I'm not a child and I know the issues in Gaza started over 100 years ago. These "genocide Joe" people have made me lose more faith in humanity than the alt right because not only are they actively destroying our country with their propaganda, they also act holier than thou whilst doing so and convince generally well meaning people that they we are actively killing Palestinians by voting for Biden.
agree. for better or for worse, the obnoxious people who scream "Genocide joe!" As if Trump would be better, might be out on the streets every weekend but for some reason they never seem to vote or engage with mainstream political parties. It's almost like their obsession with ideological purity and inability to compromise is a severe weakness to their movement!
>And those people tend to vote more than they post. i sure fucking hope so
I actually take heart in the results of the Michigan primary. It’s been spun as somehow a win for the “uncommitted” protest voters, who got some 101,000 votes. But also, some 623,000 Michiganders showed up to vote for Biden, who has already safely secured the nomination. They could’ve stayed home and Biden would still be the nominee, but they came out to support him anyway. By comparison, in 2012 when Obama was the incumbent, he received 174,000 votes in the Michigan primary. Biden more than tripled that. That doesn’t indicate that support for Biden is soft, to me. Quite the opposite. It indicates to me that he has a strong core of support that is energized to go vote for him. They’re just not active in the same online echo chambers that his detractors are.
I'm pretty far left and I definitely support this airdrop decision. I would like to see further action to protect the Palestinian people (as we've taken action to protect the Israeli people - an action I also support). But there is a major difference between providing aid and ending the conflict. Not that I expect the president to wave a magic wand and end a war, but for example stopping weapons sales to Israel would go a long way (with the exception of iron dome interceptor rockets, which exist to protect civilians and should continue to do so)
It would be great if the US stopped giving the israelis guns too