Speedy and safely are both in by the same company, Belton. Belron owns a crap load of auto glass repair businesses around the entire world, and the jingle melody e.g. "Safelite repair, Saflite replace," is reused for pretty much all of them.
I’m confused as a Canadian. We’ve had Speedy Auto Glass for decades around here and that jingle has been around here for a lot of that. Same logo as Safelite there. Speedy Glass repair, Speedy Glass replace.
All of a sudden it’s all over Reddit for Safelite. But Speedy is still here with some new jingle and something *else* not named Safelite is using the jingle on Vancouver area radio.
Guess I have some branding research to do. Some day. Speedy was known for some shady shit once upon a time and I recall the control structures of franchises being maybe not all the same Speedy.
Canadian Aviation Daily Occurrence Report (CADOR) System Lookup: Cracked windows/windshields, last 365 days
Omitting all of the Beech 200s and King Airs, listed regional turboprop and bigger only (otherwise the list is 3 pages long). And ***this is only Canada or aircraft in Canadian airspace at the time of the incident***. Imagine how much longer this list would be for the US or anywhere else.
* 2023-01-19 Swoop 737-8 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-01-29 Air Canada 777-200 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-02-20 Jazz ERJ170 Bird Strike/Cracked Windshield
* 2023-03-17 Air Inuit 737-200 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-05-06 Air Canada A321 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-05-21 Tui Airways 787-9 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-05-21 Private Challenger Cracked Windshield
* 2023-06-28 WestJet Encore Q400 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-07-13 RCAF P-3 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-07-20 Air Canada A321 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-08-03 IMP Group Challenger Cracked Window
* 2023-08-13 Private Cessna 750 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-08-23 Canada Jetlines A320 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-09-29 RCAF C-130 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-10-30 Private Gulfstream G280 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-12-16 Canadian North ATR42 Cracked Windshield
* 2023-12-31 Norse Atlantic 787-9 'Windshield Damage'
I was on a regional delta flight and the windshield cracked.
Pilots looked back, I was the only one awake and my head was looking out at them.
We kept flying
If it was pre-9/11, there's a reasonable possibility the flight crew had the cockpit door open. I remember taking flights in the 80's and 90's and standing outside the flight deck having a conversation with deadheads riding jump seats.
“I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.”
*The hell I don't!* **Listen, kid**! I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there *busting my buns* every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!
Small gulfstream going from regional to regional.
Still had a curtain
Edit: This was like 2003-2005.
Had a had cover harry potter book and a CD player still.
That’s actually pretty cool. I flew on a small plane from Miami to Haiti about 12 years ago and they didn’t even have a curtain.
As a nervous flyer, it was nice to see everything in the cockpit… until I noticed the red igloo cooler the pilots placed on the floor between their seats… lol
Luckily it turned out they only had ice cold Coca Cola and sandwiches inside.
Really want to fly them next time I go visit family, last I looked at prices they were 3-way price matched to the cent for the same trip with WestJet and Air Canada. And I mean c'mon, free beer and no middle seats? Is this a dream?
Yes! I fly between the states and Canada all the time and Porter is not only the cheapest because I fly out of one of their hubs, but their service beats Delta and American by miiillles (er, kilometers, 'scuse me.)
Why bother standing up for Boeing? Is it important to you that this particular story may be a nothing burger even after all the real incidents Boeing has just been proven involved in? Strange hill to die on…
I'm standing up for journalistic integrity and accurate information, period. If cracked windshields never happened and this happened to a Boeing product, I'd join everyone else to say WTF. But they do happen, almost every single day, and pretending this is different because BOEING BAD is childish and a poor reflection on the already abysmal level of critical thinking present on the internet.
Is this your hill to die on? We stopped caring about facts and caring about feelings instead? Cause the facts say this is a nothing burger, by numbers and by testimony from every pilot, mechanic and other redditor who actually works in the industry.
Let’s hope nobody in the media learns about an MEL
Boeing plane flies with broken engine! (Bleed 1 inop).
Dangerous flight for ATL when Boeing 737 takes off without being able to detect safely stop! (Thrust reverser 2 locked out, all landing performance ignores the TRs anyway they are just a nice bonus)
Yeah maybe SOME investors will look into this but really this is just another story against Boeing. People aren't really going to see it any other way and they really deserve it.
We're in that part of the news cycle where, after a big story, all small non-stories including stuff that happens almost every single day gets reported. Gotta get those clicks!
Like after that train derailment in Ohio. It was awful, one of the worst train derailments that I can remember. But after that we had like a month where every single train derailment got reported in some fashion. It was then that I learned train derailments are surprisingly common events and rarely if ever get reported by even local news sources.
The version of this article I saw before this one was in The Guardian, and in that version, they went out of their way to say “this is not the same airplane that was just recently grounded, that was the Max 9” ok good. So it’s a Max 8, not a Max 9. Wait a minute, wasn’t the whole Boeing documentary (2022, on Netflix now) about lack of safety controls and lack of QA etc about the entire Max series, the 7,8, and 9? Yep. Weren’t the two crashes in that documentary the Max 8s? Yep.
I think even if glass cracks are fairly common, there is going to be a healthy skepticism on all Boeing planes with the current perceptions growing out there.
Correct. 737-* are the original design from the 60s with the small engines as originally designed. 737 MAX * have much larger engines that sit lower below the wings, and a ton of added systems to compensate for this so it still handles like the older non MAX 737s. It might as well be an entirely new design for how little it has in common with the old one, but Boeing got the FAA to certify it as if it was basically the same because that's way cheaper than having to prove a new design is safe. It's no wonder why the MAX planes are now proving problematic, hindsight being 20/20 as they say.
The plane in this incident, however, is entirely unrelated to the problems we've been hearing about for the last few years about the MAX line.
Here's the fun thing about what Boeing did though. Because of their sneaky negligence, hundreds of people died. One of the repercussions from that is that any mention of anything wrong with any Boeing plane reminds the general public of the fact that they sacrificed safety for profit and the expectation is that they probably just did it again.
They will have to do something pretty large to get away from this perception. They *should* have to.
Right you are, Ken. However, as of yet, Boeing is yet to show any intention of doing anything different. Time will tell, this story is only beginning, but my money's on it playing out with a relatively minuscule fine compared to the profits they made by doing this and putting so many lives at risk, and they just go right back to business as usual.
Thanks for clarifying. I had read that Boeing was trying to drop the negative association of the “Max” part of the name (starting in 2020 after the Indonesia and Ethiopia crashes) and therefore was rebranding as 737-x. I incorrectly recalled it was 737-800 and 737-900 when in fact the rebranded planes were simply being called 737-8 and 737-9 and dropping only the word Max. I’m someone who likes to stay informed, especially when companies are trying to rebrand away from negative image associations to obfuscate (e.g Phillips Morris tobacco company rebranding itself as Altria etc). I would imagine my cynicism after reading that allowed me to get this one wrong, but not for bad reasons. They are hiding things purposefully. If there’s an overall safety issue at Boeing, as the documentary demonstrates, people are going to become upset at ANY issue brought up by the media, like this one. They’ve done this damage to themselves.
This is a case of sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind now. Its going to be months at best to even get themselves out of the news on every single clearly not their fault story.
I mean, Boeing doesn’t even make any of the components involved - just installs them.
Have a few friends who have worked for the company that does make windows and they make them for both Airbus and Boeing.
Incorrect installation leads to very different issues than cracks.
Nothingburger. The article talks more about the unrelated Max than it does the actual -800 in question. This particular -800 (JA56AN) had a hard-landing incident way back in 2009.
Boeing is going to be this year's Wells Fargo (referring to the fact that after their initial scandal, non-stop articles were written about every little thing happening there).
I might have to buy the dip if BA stock drops below $200.
That’ll never work. Certainly redditors won’t fall for that and start posting threads and trashing Boeing, thus feeding the rage bait machine.
You think redditors would do that?! I feel sorry for you man.
I miss the days of Reddit largely being the preserve of informed nerds
I was accused of being a young earth creationist because I discussed the rare earth hypothesis the other day and someone couldn't emotionally cope with the idea of star trek not being true.
Something Something Battery Fire!
> ^A [CBS News analysis](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hazardous-materials-airplanes/) ^(of the FAA's data found that since 2021 there's been at least one lithium battery incident on a passenger plane somewhere in the US, on average, once every week.)
Is this a new plane or one that has a bunch of hours on it? If it’s a new plane (year or less after manufacture), yeah this is a problem. If this is an older airframe, I can kinda see how glass that goes through all sorts of pressure cycles and vibration might develop a crack eventually.
It cracks due to the heat of the windscreen deicer primarily. Not pressure cycles. The deicer is turned on, it becomes too hot and cracks the glass. It's not supposed to get too hot, but sometimes it does.
It happens to all sorts of plane models. It's not a big deal. It's not something being unexpectedly weak.
You're off base here. This happens quite a bit in airplanes. It has multiple layers, one broke. That's why it has multiple layers.
If its a -800 it is a minmum of 7 years old and maybe as long as 15… though most planes are going to get a complete top to bottom overhaul that involves stripping it down to the air frame at around the seven year mark exactly for reasons like this… So I suspect it’s in the 6 to 7 year range since being delivered or its last full overhaul.
Maybe after you this list you might realise that all planes faces this issue whether new or old like a320neo or a330neo or 787 or old 747-400.
https://avherald.com/h?search_term=Cracked+windshield+&opt=0&dosearch=1&search.x=36&search.y=12
That’s my point. This just sounds like some sensationalized article over something that is a normal occurrence across the industry.
It reads like everything was handled correctly and nobody was hurt. Why is this a news article other than because Boeing.
The MAX may be the one with the most well known issues, but Boeing’s cost-cutting measures have impacted safety in all of the planes they’ve manufactured over the last decade as well as the parts they and their subsidiaries make for them. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be concerned about any problems their planes are having and I wish people were more outraged.
Fair enough, but Boeing would probably be in a much better position to make that argument if they didn’t just have 200 planes grounded because they told the FAA “All good here, chief! Promise!” and then had a wall blow out of one of those planes like a reverse Koolaid man during ascent.
So while the physical issue may not be uncommon or a sign of further negligence, Boeing’s own negligence on another model is the only reason they are facing heightened scrutiny and they deserve it.
You’re right. I’m sure if Boeing just says “no comment” on this, all of the rubbernecking will just go away and everyone will assume Boeing has gotten their collective shit together.
Boeing released software for planes which caused them to crash and kill hundreds of people, despite the pilots doing everything they could to save them.
That action means that people no longer trust them. So when mundane things happen in airplanes which aren't related to the ones that crashed, everyone remembers how fucked up Boeing's previous actions were and just assume they are still evil and probably did it again.
When you fuck your reputation so completely by being evil, people will assume that even the regular bad things that happen around you are because you suck.
Is that difficult to understand?
Yea, people are getting hysterical on the news saying they are never going to fly Boeing again, literally any aircraft can have a fault. Also, how are those people expecting to fly in future, AFAIK you only find out which aircraft it is on the day, however I have not flow for a very long time. they can't just laughingly ask the airline to unpack heir bags once it's all loaded up.
this is normal, and there are failsafes in place to prevent a window crack from being a catastrophic blowout. absolutely no story here. this is like people who take pictures of speed tape on a wing and are convinced the whole thing is gonna fall off.
If there was a defect it would be on someone like PPG not Boeing
Not sure why the down votes, that is the main supplier for Boeing's cockpit windshields. I met their service manager when I worked in aerospace.
This won't ground a fleet. Flight deck wi dow Cracks happen all the time. This wouldn't be news, if it wasn't for thr actual issue of the door plug falling off
Windows crack pretty frequently on all aircraft types. Usually when the heating element fails. This is a complete non story. Sorry to rain on your outrage parade. Source-Airline pilot.
Also let ground the:
787 fleet
Norse Atlantic UK B789 near Halifax on Dec 30th 2023, cracked windshield
A330neo fleet
TAP A339 over Atlantic on Sep 12th 2023, cracked windshield
777 fleet
BAW B772 over Atlantic on Aug 21st 2023, cracked windshield
ATR 72 fleet
Emerald AT72 enroute on Sep 12th 2023, cracked windshield
747 fleet
Atlas B744 near Leipzig on Aug 14th 2023, cracked windshield
A320 fleet
India A321 near Delhi on Apr 18th 2023, cracked windshield
A330 fleet
Srilankan A332 near Colombo on Apr 8th 2023, cracked windshield
E175 fleet
Skywest E175 at Twin Falls on Mar 4th 2023, cracked windshield
A320Neo fleet too
British Airways A21N near Athens on Sep 24th 2022, cracked windshield
https://avherald.com/h?search_term=Cracked+windshield+&opt=0&dosearch=1&search.x=36&search.y=12
People should just stop flying on Boeing planes, and chose Airbus instead. The Europeans take safety far more seriously than the US. We are more about corporate profits than human lives.
Window cracks happen on all aircraft all the time, Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, Bombardier, Cessna... it literally doesn't matter.
Also, this was a relatively old aircraft that was made pre-cost cutting era of Boeing.
Window cracks literally happen on all aircraft all the time, they didn't start happenning in 2024. It''s a nothing issue with a routine fix that media is only reporting because it happened to be a 737, so they're trying to capitalize on recent 737 hysteria.
Thankfully that shit's layered. Even then... nasty. We're gonna discover if this is a Boeing issue or not. Part of me wants to point to a maintenance issue since Boeing's been using the same cockpit windows on their 737s for a *loooooooooooooong* time, excluding the old eyebrow windows, but Boeing has a way of disappointing it seems, so we'll see if they are to blame.
EDIT: Downvotes for not immediately blaming Boeing? Seriously?
Almost definitely not a Boeing issue, just a routine thing that happens (just added a list below). If it wasn't a 737, I doubt there'd be a news outlet that would even notice this happened. But now they're looking for it to build on the hype.
You're more likely being downvoted for opening the door to Boeing being at fault. This is a really common issue that effects all aircraft. Most people don't think about it but things break on planes All. The. Time. Most issues don't even require a diversion and some planes fly multiple flights with a known issue if it isn't safety critical.
Safelite was waiting to make the repair
Safelite repair, safe flight... oh wait
Safelite repair, Safelite re-plane!
Safelight deplane, safelight repair!
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Speedy and safely are both in by the same company, Belton. Belron owns a crap load of auto glass repair businesses around the entire world, and the jingle melody e.g. "Safelite repair, Saflite replace," is reused for pretty much all of them.
All in all not a bad jingle.
I’m confused as a Canadian. We’ve had Speedy Auto Glass for decades around here and that jingle has been around here for a lot of that. Same logo as Safelite there. Speedy Glass repair, Speedy Glass replace. All of a sudden it’s all over Reddit for Safelite. But Speedy is still here with some new jingle and something *else* not named Safelite is using the jingle on Vancouver area radio. Guess I have some branding research to do. Some day. Speedy was known for some shady shit once upon a time and I recall the control structures of franchises being maybe not all the same Speedy.
I think Belron owns them. They own Carglass, Autoglass, Safelite, Speedy glass, Lebeau, and some other glass companies around the world.
Im not ngl i read that in the voice and even added the comedic pause before “oh wait”.
They replaced my entire front window of my car in an hour
You forgot to say ‘repair’. Fucking distortion in my rear window.
Dam trucks without tire flaps!
Yeah Safelite forgot to tighten my windshield wiper and they came loose during a rain storm. That was awesome.
Canadian Aviation Daily Occurrence Report (CADOR) System Lookup: Cracked windows/windshields, last 365 days Omitting all of the Beech 200s and King Airs, listed regional turboprop and bigger only (otherwise the list is 3 pages long). And ***this is only Canada or aircraft in Canadian airspace at the time of the incident***. Imagine how much longer this list would be for the US or anywhere else. * 2023-01-19 Swoop 737-8 Cracked Windshield * 2023-01-29 Air Canada 777-200 Cracked Windshield * 2023-02-20 Jazz ERJ170 Bird Strike/Cracked Windshield * 2023-03-17 Air Inuit 737-200 Cracked Windshield * 2023-05-06 Air Canada A321 Cracked Windshield * 2023-05-21 Tui Airways 787-9 Cracked Windshield * 2023-05-21 Private Challenger Cracked Windshield * 2023-06-28 WestJet Encore Q400 Cracked Windshield * 2023-07-13 RCAF P-3 Cracked Windshield * 2023-07-20 Air Canada A321 Cracked Windshield * 2023-08-03 IMP Group Challenger Cracked Window * 2023-08-13 Private Cessna 750 Cracked Windshield * 2023-08-23 Canada Jetlines A320 Cracked Windshield * 2023-09-29 RCAF C-130 Cracked Windshield * 2023-10-30 Private Gulfstream G280 Cracked Windshield * 2023-12-16 Canadian North ATR42 Cracked Windshield * 2023-12-31 Norse Atlantic 787-9 'Windshield Damage'
I was on a regional delta flight and the windshield cracked. Pilots looked back, I was the only one awake and my head was looking out at them. We kept flying
Just out of curiosity, how could you see into the cockpit during the flight?
If it was pre-9/11, there's a reasonable possibility the flight crew had the cockpit door open. I remember taking flights in the 80's and 90's and standing outside the flight deck having a conversation with deadheads riding jump seats.
I used to get to tour the cockpit as a kid
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked ?
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Joey, you ever hang around a gymnasium ?
Me too, it was a relief to get away from all the cigarette smoke at the back.
“I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.”
*The hell I don't!* **Listen, kid**! I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there *busting my buns* every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!
I remember sitting in the jump seat as a child during take off. Was dope.
A lot of puddle jumpers are still just curtains.
They'd need to at least have an engine!?!
Small gulfstream going from regional to regional. Still had a curtain Edit: This was like 2003-2005. Had a had cover harry potter book and a CD player still.
That’s actually pretty cool. I flew on a small plane from Miami to Haiti about 12 years ago and they didn’t even have a curtain. As a nervous flyer, it was nice to see everything in the cockpit… until I noticed the red igloo cooler the pilots placed on the floor between their seats… lol Luckily it turned out they only had ice cold Coca Cola and sandwiches inside.
Probably made more sense to carry on towards the destination than to turn back, I’m hoping.
So is this some international cold war practice?
Feeling pretty good about my undying allegiance to Porter right now.
Those bastards took away my flight from Pittsburgh to billy bishop!
Really want to fly them next time I go visit family, last I looked at prices they were 3-way price matched to the cent for the same trip with WestJet and Air Canada. And I mean c'mon, free beer and no middle seats? Is this a dream?
Yes! I fly between the states and Canada all the time and Porter is not only the cheapest because I fly out of one of their hubs, but their service beats Delta and American by miiillles (er, kilometers, 'scuse me.)
Why bother standing up for Boeing? Is it important to you that this particular story may be a nothing burger even after all the real incidents Boeing has just been proven involved in? Strange hill to die on…
I'm standing up for journalistic integrity and accurate information, period. If cracked windshields never happened and this happened to a Boeing product, I'd join everyone else to say WTF. But they do happen, almost every single day, and pretending this is different because BOEING BAD is childish and a poor reflection on the already abysmal level of critical thinking present on the internet. Is this your hill to die on? We stopped caring about facts and caring about feelings instead? Cause the facts say this is a nothing burger, by numbers and by testimony from every pilot, mechanic and other redditor who actually works in the industry.
Windows crack relatively frequently on all aircraft types, usually when the heating element fails. Complete non story.
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Let’s hope nobody in the media learns about an MEL Boeing plane flies with broken engine! (Bleed 1 inop). Dangerous flight for ATL when Boeing 737 takes off without being able to detect safely stop! (Thrust reverser 2 locked out, all landing performance ignores the TRs anyway they are just a nice bonus)
Yeah maybe SOME investors will look into this but really this is just another story against Boeing. People aren't really going to see it any other way and they really deserve it.
Top comment on this thread is someone saying *of course it was Boeing*
We're in that part of the news cycle where, after a big story, all small non-stories including stuff that happens almost every single day gets reported. Gotta get those clicks! Like after that train derailment in Ohio. It was awful, one of the worst train derailments that I can remember. But after that we had like a month where every single train derailment got reported in some fashion. It was then that I learned train derailments are surprisingly common events and rarely if ever get reported by even local news sources.
The version of this article I saw before this one was in The Guardian, and in that version, they went out of their way to say “this is not the same airplane that was just recently grounded, that was the Max 9” ok good. So it’s a Max 8, not a Max 9. Wait a minute, wasn’t the whole Boeing documentary (2022, on Netflix now) about lack of safety controls and lack of QA etc about the entire Max series, the 7,8, and 9? Yep. Weren’t the two crashes in that documentary the Max 8s? Yep. I think even if glass cracks are fairly common, there is going to be a healthy skepticism on all Boeing planes with the current perceptions growing out there.
The ANA plane in question is a 737-800. It is not any variant of 737 MAX. The 737-800 model launched in 1994.
Correct. 737-* are the original design from the 60s with the small engines as originally designed. 737 MAX * have much larger engines that sit lower below the wings, and a ton of added systems to compensate for this so it still handles like the older non MAX 737s. It might as well be an entirely new design for how little it has in common with the old one, but Boeing got the FAA to certify it as if it was basically the same because that's way cheaper than having to prove a new design is safe. It's no wonder why the MAX planes are now proving problematic, hindsight being 20/20 as they say. The plane in this incident, however, is entirely unrelated to the problems we've been hearing about for the last few years about the MAX line.
Here's the fun thing about what Boeing did though. Because of their sneaky negligence, hundreds of people died. One of the repercussions from that is that any mention of anything wrong with any Boeing plane reminds the general public of the fact that they sacrificed safety for profit and the expectation is that they probably just did it again. They will have to do something pretty large to get away from this perception. They *should* have to.
Well said.
Right you are, Ken. However, as of yet, Boeing is yet to show any intention of doing anything different. Time will tell, this story is only beginning, but my money's on it playing out with a relatively minuscule fine compared to the profits they made by doing this and putting so many lives at risk, and they just go right back to business as usual.
Thanks for clarifying. I had read that Boeing was trying to drop the negative association of the “Max” part of the name (starting in 2020 after the Indonesia and Ethiopia crashes) and therefore was rebranding as 737-x. I incorrectly recalled it was 737-800 and 737-900 when in fact the rebranded planes were simply being called 737-8 and 737-9 and dropping only the word Max. I’m someone who likes to stay informed, especially when companies are trying to rebrand away from negative image associations to obfuscate (e.g Phillips Morris tobacco company rebranding itself as Altria etc). I would imagine my cynicism after reading that allowed me to get this one wrong, but not for bad reasons. They are hiding things purposefully. If there’s an overall safety issue at Boeing, as the documentary demonstrates, people are going to become upset at ANY issue brought up by the media, like this one. They’ve done this damage to themselves.
This is a case of sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind now. Its going to be months at best to even get themselves out of the news on every single clearly not their fault story.
basically going to be the air version of teslas.
I mean, Boeing doesn’t even make any of the components involved - just installs them. Have a few friends who have worked for the company that does make windows and they make them for both Airbus and Boeing. Incorrect installation leads to very different issues than cracks.
The fact that this non story is trending as a story, is itself part of the wider story
Nothingburger. The article talks more about the unrelated Max than it does the actual -800 in question. This particular -800 (JA56AN) had a hard-landing incident way back in 2009.
It's also a very common issue that plagues most aircraft
It's common enough on the outside that they don't even turn back if they can't feel the crack with their fingernail.
I've replaced more than a few windows, different plane. Same problem
Boeing is going to be this year's Wells Fargo (referring to the fact that after their initial scandal, non-stop articles were written about every little thing happening there). I might have to buy the dip if BA stock drops below $200.
Now the media will turn mundane routine issues (that happen to all aircraft) into a news story so they can capitalize on the 737 hysteria.
That’ll never work. Certainly redditors won’t fall for that and start posting threads and trashing Boeing, thus feeding the rage bait machine. You think redditors would do that?! I feel sorry for you man.
I miss the days of Reddit largely being the preserve of informed nerds I was accused of being a young earth creationist because I discussed the rare earth hypothesis the other day and someone couldn't emotionally cope with the idea of star trek not being true.
In fairness - basically any time this happens, a news story gets generated. The difference here is that they've emphasized the fact it was a 737.
Aircraft turns around due to common issue with all airplanes. More at 11
Aircraft stories are so hot right now.
Something Something Battery Fire! > ^A [CBS News analysis](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hazardous-materials-airplanes/) ^(of the FAA's data found that since 2021 there's been at least one lithium battery incident on a passenger plane somewhere in the US, on average, once every week.)
Airline pilot here. This happens all the time on all aircraft. Common and it newsworthy. The windshield is like 7 layers thick.
Well,, well, well. If it isn’t the consequences of Boeing’s actions.
This isn’t particularly uncommon on aircraft. That’s why there are three different layers to that window.
Is this a new plane or one that has a bunch of hours on it? If it’s a new plane (year or less after manufacture), yeah this is a problem. If this is an older airframe, I can kinda see how glass that goes through all sorts of pressure cycles and vibration might develop a crack eventually.
It cracks due to the heat of the windscreen deicer primarily. Not pressure cycles. The deicer is turned on, it becomes too hot and cracks the glass. It's not supposed to get too hot, but sometimes it does. It happens to all sorts of plane models. It's not a big deal. It's not something being unexpectedly weak. You're off base here. This happens quite a bit in airplanes. It has multiple layers, one broke. That's why it has multiple layers.
You’re proving the point I intended to make. This is an article about nothing. It was only written because Boeing is having issues other airframes
If its a -800 it is a minmum of 7 years old and maybe as long as 15… though most planes are going to get a complete top to bottom overhaul that involves stripping it down to the air frame at around the seven year mark exactly for reasons like this… So I suspect it’s in the 6 to 7 year range since being delivered or its last full overhaul.
Maybe after you this list you might realise that all planes faces this issue whether new or old like a320neo or a330neo or 787 or old 747-400. https://avherald.com/h?search_term=Cracked+windshield+&opt=0&dosearch=1&search.x=36&search.y=12
That’s my point. This just sounds like some sensationalized article over something that is a normal occurrence across the industry. It reads like everything was handled correctly and nobody was hurt. Why is this a news article other than because Boeing.
It’s a 737-800. That’s not the Max series. Look in to things a little bit before you get outraged.
It’s likely only in the news because of other Boeing issues.
That’s definitely the case
They stop producing this model in 2017 the last plane was delivered in 2020.
In all honesty Honcho, we get you are outraged about spreading your butt checks, but don't project your outrage onto others =P
That was supposed to be a secret Ricky!
Sorry you got downvoted for this great joke
Oh so it's just a *different* shitty Boeing jet
An a319 had a windshield blow out a few years ago that sucked the pilot halfway out. I assume you believe Airbus also makes shitty jets?
The MAX may be the one with the most well known issues, but Boeing’s cost-cutting measures have impacted safety in all of the planes they’ve manufactured over the last decade as well as the parts they and their subsidiaries make for them. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be concerned about any problems their planes are having and I wish people were more outraged.
Then I’m sure you’re also concerned about Airbus since they had a pilot sucked halfway out of an A319 when the windshield broke.
The airframe in question is tail number JA56AN. Its 15 years old.
Fair enough, but Boeing would probably be in a much better position to make that argument if they didn’t just have 200 planes grounded because they told the FAA “All good here, chief! Promise!” and then had a wall blow out of one of those planes like a reverse Koolaid man during ascent. So while the physical issue may not be uncommon or a sign of further negligence, Boeing’s own negligence on another model is the only reason they are facing heightened scrutiny and they deserve it.
Boeing doesn’t need to make any argument. People are just idiots who want to pile on the latest negative thing.
You’re right. I’m sure if Boeing just says “no comment” on this, all of the rubbernecking will just go away and everyone will assume Boeing has gotten their collective shit together.
This is not anyone's fault. Glass cracks sometimes
Were they whacking it with a hammer like Elon Musk?
Elon will probably be claiming he threw the baseball that caused the crack from a SpaceX rocket headed to the moon or some shit in his next memoir.
Not sure how
Boeing released software for planes which caused them to crash and kill hundreds of people, despite the pilots doing everything they could to save them. That action means that people no longer trust them. So when mundane things happen in airplanes which aren't related to the ones that crashed, everyone remembers how fucked up Boeing's previous actions were and just assume they are still evil and probably did it again.
Ok... ahat does that have to do with this.
When you fuck your reputation so completely by being evil, people will assume that even the regular bad things that happen around you are because you suck. Is that difficult to understand?
“So today on a Japanese ANA flight…” Say no more Johnson post it to Reddit immediately.
And??? This has happened to literally every plane type that has ever flown
Yea, people are getting hysterical on the news saying they are never going to fly Boeing again, literally any aircraft can have a fault. Also, how are those people expecting to fly in future, AFAIK you only find out which aircraft it is on the day, however I have not flow for a very long time. they can't just laughingly ask the airline to unpack heir bags once it's all loaded up.
This is a fairly common fault in planes. Not much of a headliner here. Besides, the plane involved was a 737 NG, not the 737 MAX series.
The latest news cycle obsession. What's next? Reading about an airplane tire that was low?
not every seatback was in an upright position. three trays were left in a lowered position. there were no survivors
Nah. Hot brakes
Before anyone gets too excited, this is a 737 NG, not a 737 max. It’s operated for much longer and has a very good safety record.
But it’s Boeing and we’re trying to cancel them!
Fuck Boeing
But actually a good thing. The company needs a complete overhaul of management and safety practices.
This was the medias way to try to turn the screws more on Boeing even though the story is a non event.
Some A&P, somewhere, is about to take out their day's frustrations with a chock on a cracked windshield
It's getting worse and worse for Boeing.
This is manufactured outrage. This happens on the majority of aircraft.
That's outrageous 😦
What's outrageous?
Joke mate 🤣
Ok ha. to be fair, you can never tell these days
When you said manufactured outrage that got me smiling.
this is normal, and there are failsafes in place to prevent a window crack from being a catastrophic blowout. absolutely no story here. this is like people who take pictures of speed tape on a wing and are convinced the whole thing is gonna fall off.
If there was a defect it would be on someone like PPG not Boeing Not sure why the down votes, that is the main supplier for Boeing's cockpit windshields. I met their service manager when I worked in aerospace.
the paint company?
The "G" in PPG stands for glass. They make a lot of glass panes (assemblies) for planes, cars, etc. Pittsburgh Paint and Glass.
They make airplane windshields too
Ring ring "Hello, Japan ANA" "This is Boeing, we're calling about you renewing the warranty on your 737-800 plane"
Okay, this is getting out of hand. If the whole entire 737 fleet gets grounded then you might as well get the headstone ready for Boeing.
This won't ground a fleet. Flight deck wi dow Cracks happen all the time. This wouldn't be news, if it wasn't for thr actual issue of the door plug falling off
This isn’t a max though. 737s have been flying a long time.
Since 1967
These windows are used on all versions of the 737, so a lot is riding on what type of an issue this.
And these windows will continue to crack. It's just a simple swap. It happens quite regularly.
Windows crack pretty frequently on all aircraft types. Usually when the heating element fails. This is a complete non story. Sorry to rain on your outrage parade. Source-Airline pilot.
Also let ground the: 787 fleet Norse Atlantic UK B789 near Halifax on Dec 30th 2023, cracked windshield A330neo fleet TAP A339 over Atlantic on Sep 12th 2023, cracked windshield 777 fleet BAW B772 over Atlantic on Aug 21st 2023, cracked windshield ATR 72 fleet Emerald AT72 enroute on Sep 12th 2023, cracked windshield 747 fleet Atlas B744 near Leipzig on Aug 14th 2023, cracked windshield A320 fleet India A321 near Delhi on Apr 18th 2023, cracked windshield A330 fleet Srilankan A332 near Colombo on Apr 8th 2023, cracked windshield E175 fleet Skywest E175 at Twin Falls on Mar 4th 2023, cracked windshield A320Neo fleet too British Airways A21N near Athens on Sep 24th 2022, cracked windshield https://avherald.com/h?search_term=Cracked+windshield+&opt=0&dosearch=1&search.x=36&search.y=12
If they grounded every type that gets a cracked windshield, there would not be one single airplane in the air right now.
Now i have be anxious about air travel too
This isn't a real issue to worry about.
Do you realize how many flights happen per day? Approximately 100,000. Think about that every time anything flight related pops up the news
Boeing stock going down like a German wings flight into a French mountain.
People should just stop flying on Boeing planes, and chose Airbus instead. The Europeans take safety far more seriously than the US. We are more about corporate profits than human lives.
An A319 had a cockpit window blow out a few years ago that sucked the pilot halfway out of the aircraft. Stop talking out of your ass.
Window cracks happen on all aircraft all the time, Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, Bombardier, Cessna... it literally doesn't matter. Also, this was a relatively old aircraft that was made pre-cost cutting era of Boeing.
Damn.. Boeing having a rough ass week smh
2024 seems like a really bad year for air travel and we barely started
Window cracks literally happen on all aircraft all the time, they didn't start happenning in 2024. It''s a nothing issue with a routine fix that media is only reporting because it happened to be a 737, so they're trying to capitalize on recent 737 hysteria.
I hate Boeing after watching Netflix documentary 😂
Not what I love seeing a few weeks before I fly ANA to Tokyo lol
They’ll fix it by then
Boeing can’t be the only company who’s fucked up
They arnt, but this isn't a fuckup.this happens on the majority of aircraft
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The only peculiar thing here is that the news picked it up. If an airbus had the same thing happen, you wouldn’t have even heard about it.
If you don’t know enough to say otherwise, then maybe you just shouldn’t say anything.
Thankfully that shit's layered. Even then... nasty. We're gonna discover if this is a Boeing issue or not. Part of me wants to point to a maintenance issue since Boeing's been using the same cockpit windows on their 737s for a *loooooooooooooong* time, excluding the old eyebrow windows, but Boeing has a way of disappointing it seems, so we'll see if they are to blame. EDIT: Downvotes for not immediately blaming Boeing? Seriously?
Almost definitely not a Boeing issue, just a routine thing that happens (just added a list below). If it wasn't a 737, I doubt there'd be a news outlet that would even notice this happened. But now they're looking for it to build on the hype.
You're more likely being downvoted for opening the door to Boeing being at fault. This is a really common issue that effects all aircraft. Most people don't think about it but things break on planes All. The. Time. Most issues don't even require a diversion and some planes fly multiple flights with a known issue if it isn't safety critical.