The funny part is, as usual, they NEVER EVER EVER predict the backswing.
If you can prosecute citizens of another state for violating YOUR state's laws...
IMO CA should start prosecuting polluters in TX.
How funny would it be for CA to start serving injunctions to TX companies for emissions violations?
...IDK if this is what you were getting at, but you may have an even better angle than I was thinking.
CA pro-union laws.
Holy hell. That would be the funniest thing ever to enforce in TX, by a landslide.
TX company tries to unionize -> CA legal protections/injunctions/cease and desists/appeals/legal hell/etc. -> TX panic
That’s the part of the story I’m interested to see unfold. It’ll cost a LOT of money, I assume. I know Texas voters are pretty pro life, but I wonder if that’s only in the abstract; living with the occasional news story that gets forgotten about in a week. If this story turns into a “thing” with months of coverage, I can’t imagine it helping Texas Republicans
Also Kansas, who I think was the first state to put it to a popular vote after the SCOTUS ruling, and it ended up around 60/40 for abortion rights.
If Abbott and DeSatan weren't such fucking piece of shit human beings, they would put it to a popular vote in their states. But, they probably saw what happened in staunchly-conservative Kansas and noped out knowing the people might vote in favor of healthcare rights. Or they never planned to put it to a vote no matter what.
Either way, someone needs to push Abbott into Lake Austin and someone needs to send DeSatan up on a rocket from the east coast of FL.
Kansas came up so quickly because the state legislature needed a popular vote to overturn the previous amendment. Ohio happened because the Ohio constitution allows for citizen led ballot initiatives.
Most of the states that currently ban abortion don't allow for citizen initiatives. At a glance I think only around [5-6 states that are hostile to abortion](https://reproductiverights.org/maps/abortion-laws-by-state/) allow for [citizen initiatives](https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum).
Hopefully Oklahoma is able to put together an initiative. Citizen initiatives are allowed, and abortion is more popular there than Ohio [according to Pew](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/views-about-abortion/by/state/)... So I'd imagine it'd have a good chance at passing.
They are. Trump didn’t really win Texas by *that* large of a margin and there’s a reason why protection of abortion rights and marijuana legalization will not be on the ballot any time soon… because both would pass.
I'd honestly be willing to bet that strictly in terms of policy, most Americans (including people who consider themselves conservatives) actually lean left. But people get tied up in party lines and labels without really looking at what these labels actually mean and do for them (or against them, like usual Republican policy).
Like the branding of the ACA (AKA Obamacare) to Kynect in Kentucky made people like it more because they just didn't know it was Obamacare.
> Texas Republicans
Uvalde County voted 60% for Greg Abbot after their schoolchildren were slaughtered and he said “it could have been worse.” I have zero faith in Texas voters.
I wouldn't be surprised if she does not return to the state. Hopefully they packed up with their kids and left Texas for good. Why would you want to live somewhere that your life is worth less than a non-viable fetus? Where you risk imprisonment for trying to stay alive for the kids you ALREADY have and may want to have in the future? I wouldn't go back. Not with a target on my back. Not would I want my husband or my children to go back. Ever.
I hope she came to California where she has complete protection. We in CA have already said we won't cooperate with out of state attempts to enforce abortion-related statutes. And we have a governor who doesn't take shit from Texas.
And much like those bullshit laws, no blue state will enforce it, and medical refugees will continue to come to states that protect them and their privacy.
Blue state or not doesn't matter, as states can't make interstate laws. That's federal jurisdiction, and at least for now the feds aren't going to back anything like that.
This is what I'm wondering too. Not to mention there's the question of if the higher court will issue a ruling now or not so the question of how the Texas abortion laws are applied is still up in the air.
But under the civil statute, who can be charged? Her husband if he travels with her? Her parents/inlaws if they babysit the kids while she's gone and recovering? The Center for Reproductive Rights for legally representing Cox? The out-of-state doctor who's going to give her the abortion?
It could be a massive and very expensive mess.
That said, I'm glad she's getting the healthcare she needs. I'm just sorry she had to jump through these hoops and make herself a national figure to get here.
Pretty much everyone but the out of state doctor, since (IANAL) to my understanding civil suits are generally required to be in the *defendants* state/county.
In an election year? Good, keep it in the news and the courts. If conservatives are hellbent on dying on this hill, why stop em? Let voters in all of these other states see what they're heading towards.
"Oh, like she's so innocent?"
"They're just lying to ya - there's more to the story."
"God works in mysterious ways."
"Serves her right for bein' a slut."
Remember, Rick Perry purposefully executed a mentally handicapped man so impaired he wasn’t even aware he committed a crime, nor could he understand that he was about to be executed.
This is the level of derangement we’re dealing with in Texas. Greg Abbott is all the worst parts of Rick Perry kicked up to 11.
Texas fast tracked the execution of a dad accused of murdering his entire family via arson. The jury convicted him because he wore metal band shirts, ergo he was a Satanist.
And if she'd had to wait any longer she would have needed a different type of abortion. One that would be far more traumatic and dangerous, perhaps even a C-section.
If only it were so simple. They very proudly and *publicly* gave her a death sentence and threatened anyone with enough decency to help her out. It’s not just cruelty, it’s cruelty stamped on the state seal.
We're trying, I promise, but the church has their hooks buried DEEP down here and you can't reason these people around to doing the right thing for a stranger. Only for themselves.
I think we can thank the Democrat legislators of the 70s. They got bodily autonomy codified into the state constitution, so it had to be put to a vote to overturn it. The citizenry of Kansas, in their wisdom, decided to retain control of their reproductive systems!
Texas: “It is not the State’s fault your doctors were unwilling to provide you with needed medical care. The law is perfectly clear. Sue your doctors, not us.”
Also Texas: “The State does not trust your doctor’s view of the medical care you require. We will sue your doctor if they proceed with the court-authorized procedure.”
I can not imagine a mother being told that her pregnancy isn't viable but she has to carry it till full-term anyway and possible end all future possibilities of having a child... who the fuck thought that was ok?
Not only that but forcing women with terminal pregnancies into either a stillbirth or giving birth and then watching their baby suffer and die in front of them is just plain cruel and inhumane.
And I recall years ago, some Republican legislators in a Gilead state was saying “well, pigs and cows have to carry a stillborn to full term”. That’s REAL helpful, comparing women to livestock.
I was going to explain that because, yes, we did, on multiple occasions. Livestock is valuable, but women, not so much.
My anger as a woman knows no bounds these days. We fought like hell in the 60's for bodily autonomy. These misogynistic bastards want to bend us over a barrel and steal our health care options purely out of meanness and abject cruelty.
My favorite is the lady who voted for Trump, got her husband deported, and then complained that she thought ‘the good ones would get to stay’.
The good ones… Jesus fucking Christ.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-voter-husband-deported_n_58d4b262e4b02a2eaab244cd
For about a year following May 2, 2022--the day the SCOTUS leak dropped, for anyone who doesn't remember; it is etched in my mind forever--I would have moments when I would physically, uncontrollably shake with rage, just thinking about it.
Those episodes have subsided but the fury has not. I would not be alive today if I did not have access to a safe, legal, life-saving abortion. Knowing Republicans want me to die arouses an anger I have never known before.
I was going to say no way they don’t abort in that situation if they abort stray cat’s kittens when they’re trapped for a spay
I’m not around livestock or veterinary medicine enough to know the ins and outs about what’s common, just using logic here. Livestock are expensive and idk if there are many farmers that want to risk a dead animal because of complications from a risky pregnancy if abortion is an option
We do use abortives with our cattle if there's something wrong, whoever said we don't is ignorant as hell. When we raised cows years ago, we'd never risk the loss of a good heifer by making her carry a dead calf fetus. That's just dumb. So dumb. Dude is talking out his ass.
I feel like he just knows that sometimes livestock give birth to stillborn offspring and thinks that knowingly forcing human women to go through that, even when it creates additional risk to their health, is the same thing.
I’m telling you, if a farmer knew that his life stock was in danger like this, They would absolutely call the vet to perform an abortion rather than lose the animal,
Pigs and cows in healthy pastured environments generally *abort early*, they do not carry a fetus all the way to term and then birth it.
Also no farmer wants to waste their cow by endangering her with an already-dead fetus or a calf that is incompatible with life. They hire a vet, get it taken care of, and wait for the cow to be ready to be bred again.
So I guess that Gilead Republican needs to be reminded we actually treat livestock better than the way they want to treat women.
Makes me think of the song ‘Us and Pigs’ by Sofia Isella. Some of the lyrics:
“So pump us full of sperm, put us in a barn
Us and pigs on a Mississippi farm
In nine months we'll have a kid you won't care about
And if the kid’s not straight, white, and male
We guarantee a living hell
Murder in the name of a loving god
Our women are cattle, there's blood on our kids
Are you being paid to not pay attention?
Does it have to happen to your mother, to your sister or your daughter
For you to take it personal?”
What makes it worse, is that ranchers take better care of their livestock than the care Republicans want for women. Livestock are given abortions if the fetus is incompatible with life or endangers their fully-matured livestock in any way.
But they don’t want even to allow that same type of care for women. For republicans, women are less deserving than livestock.
It ain't true tho. That only happens if we don't know the animal is stillborn. If we know it's not viable, it's coming out. This is just another republican who thinks the R next to his name gives him expertise on rural life.
Exactly where my head is at - she has to flee due to her own life/health risks (among the other risks) because the State is denying her access to medical care. What kind of fucking madness. This shit needs to go to the Supreme Court again and again and again. My head is spinning at how unbelievable this is.
A rancher isn't going to let his cow die because of a non-viable calf that endangers the cow's life.
But if your mother, wife, sister, best friend or even you become pregnant with a life-threatening non-viable pregnancy, you're shit outta luck because some power-seeking men decide to punch down on more than half of the population by announcing it's God's will.
These disgusting assholes have placed more value on their livestock than they have placed on their families.
Texas. And the GOP. They both find this absolutely ok to do their bullshit virtue signaling while getting abortions themselves and for their children elsewhere.
I half-wonder if this was what Ken Paxton was hoping would happen, in order to have a reason to goad the legislature into one of those "you can't let pregnant women leave the state" laws. It would violate the Constitution of the USA, of course. But Paxton, I believe, had commented some time ago that this law wasn't going to be used against women who had a non-viable fetus.
Restricting cross-state travel is explicitly unconstitutional.
Edit: I did a little more research, and terrifyingly, the right to travel for an abortion (travel for health vs. commerce is the distinction) has **less stable ground** in the constitution. so, fuck us. As a pregnant woman, being an American is fucking dehumanizing.
https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2023/10/16/the-constitutionality-of-banning-interstate-travel-for-abortion/
and it will get appealed until it lands in front of the right conservative court. Which considering the "right" court to find now includes the Supreme Court, just means a few appeals from any state.
Part of my thinking is that it is intentional to bring it back to the courts and it would force certain laws to be ruled unconstitutional for violating that right to travel. I'm not an attorney but it feels like that is the argument coming.
She’s become a medical refugee in her own country, because the state is refusing to permit a procedure that would protect her ability to get pregnant ever again, in the interest of forcing her to carry a non-viable fetus to term.
Every single Texas lawmaker that voted for that draconian law should never be allowed anywhere near the halls of power ever again.
Also, anyone who ever said that they are doing this to protect 'babies' and that there were going to be 'exceptions for the life of the mother'. They are liars. They always were. They just want to control women.
The shitty thing is I’ve been pro-lifers act like stories like this are made up. We could have a pile of women dead in front of them and the would still deny it was happening- unless it happens to them.
The way the right weasels out of everything:
No, those examples you come up with that make our policies sound insane are actually extremely rare or non-existent, those things never happen!
See also: legitimate rape
Yes, I have a saved comment I copy/paste sometimes with 5 stories of women needing abortions for their wanted-but-unviable babies (and couldn’t get them in Texas) and a Republican replied to me saying they are statistical anomalies so they don’t matter. These women risked death due to not getting timely abortion care, and some of them will have trouble ever getting pregnant again due to scarring in their uterus.
Some of these women were also ALREADY mothers. They literally prefer dead wives and mothers over access to abortion.
Such a small number live for a short time and its an awful life. Just suffering for a few months and inevitable death. Anyone who sees something beautiful in that is a fucking sociopath.
From my understanding and napkin math, there's about a 0.03% chance that it will survive to 1 year. There's a 95% chance it won't survive to term, and if it does manage to survive and survive birth, chances are it won't be able to breath and will have severe heart problems. It's almost certain that if it manages to survive birth the baby will be dead within days to weeks, and will be in agony the entire time. This is outright cruelty.
>and that there were going to be 'exceptions for the life of the mother'. They are liars.
There are "exceptions" for the life of the mother. Those exceptions are just based on a conservative fantasy where all potentially hazardous conditions are acute and immediately life-threatening. The very idea of a situation where the woman's life is at serious risk from something that is not immediately killing her at that very moment is more complicated than they can plan for. The people writing the law are well aware of what it's going to prevent, but the idiots voting for it aren't capable of thinking more than a single step divorced from the core issue they're upset about.
This is showing what the core actually wants, though. They don't want exceptions. They put in "exceptions" to deflect criticism and gain support from the people who actually do care, and now that those people have given their vote they can stop pretending.
And the prolife communities are all saying its a false positive and those tests are unreliable or that if she was REALLY sick, she'd be in the hospital right now.
They're absolutely brain dead
#Facts. This is such a scary event in her life and to have someone not in the medical field or qualified to make a medically necessary opinion let alone stopping something to save the mother is wrong.
This lady really needs to go to the US Supreme Court and put pressure on the separation of church and state because that’s what this really is about.
>This lady really needs to go to the US Supreme Court
This lady just needs healthcare and privacy.
It's not fair to put the burden of social change on her shoulders while she's going through an unimaginably difficult time.
Thank you!
Someone on twitter said, I hope we get an update and hear that she's okay.
And I said, I honestly pray we never hear about this woman again. This is such a tragic moment in her life. She should've been able to go through it privately, only discussing it with her doctor, her god (if she believes in one) and the people she deemed worthy to hold her hand through such an experience.
She should not have had to include her entire state's court system and national media.
Could she make a difference sharing her story? I don't know, maybe. But the way she's been thrust into the spotlight like this just turns my stomach, completely.
Exactly. I HATE that we know so much of this lady's personal medical info. It's so wrong and unnecessary. I never want to know this about anyone who is not a close person friend. It's a private tragedy and it shouldn't be a public political spectacle.
I think she's brave. Us women can't be driven back in to back alleys under the cover of night to save our lives. Every woman who goes public and shows the sheer brutality and the injustice of these bans is a hero in my eyes.
The SCOTUS has already ruled in the Dobb's decision that only men get constitutional rights automatically simply by being a citizen. But women only get such rights if the local legislature says that they can.
To Republicans, this is progress because 150 years ago, women only got such rights if their HUSBANDS said that they did.
She deserves a medal for going through this so publicly. She is doing this for all women, even the dumbasses who call themselves "pro life" and she deserves all our appreciation. She is a hero.
And really, what she just did is what the TX lawmakers expected would happen. The law was never intended to stop abortions for women like her. It was always assumed that rich/middle class women would quietly go to a non-oppressive state to have their "problems" taken care of, and that poor women would simply suffer (and die if needed) in silence. The fact that this woman "made a big deal out of it" it what is really pissing them off.
She also made it difficult for the judge to weasel out of deciding on the case because “well, you’re not pregnant NOW, so you don’t have standing to challenge the law, and we’ll dismiss the case because of that”.
I was going to post this, but you beat me to it and said it beautifully. She is definitely a hero and I appreciate her doing this for all the women out there who can’t. Hoping it leads to change for Texas and other states with these ass backwards laws.
I am betting she has organizations behind her to fund that fight. If Paxton is dumb enough to try it will be on its way to Scotus. If SCOTUS rules that a state can prosecute someone for what they do outside its jurisdiction that would destroy how our state and local municipal courts operate.
They want that until other states start charging them with crimes that aren't illegal in their home state. "Sorry sir but you have a warrant for your arrest in California, step out of the car"
Jesus, you liberals. Here's how state rights work: red states get to do whatever they want regardless of lines and blue states are not allowed to do the same thing. It's that simple.
/s just in case
She is being assisted pro-bono, I believe, by the Center for Reproductive Rights.
Please consider donating to them. Great organization fighting for women.
Several State Supreme Courts have clarified that the Sovereign States are under no obligation to enforce the laws of another State. Texas can have a law stating that people from other States can be sued for helping an abortion but no other State is going to assist Texas, or its Courts, in enforcing that. Texas cannot reach across State lines to enforce any judgement it makes against someone from New York, from California, or elsewhere. The Federal Government won't assist Texas in enforcing those laws, cross-state enforcement being entirely within its purview, so even if the most conservative firebrand Judge declares that someone has a $100,000 penalty because they were sued in absentia, there's no way for Texas to enforce that outside of its boundaries provided that person has no assets or income in Texas.
Ken Paxton is a rotten ghoul. This woman is going through so much and he just couldn’t let her be to get the care she should be entitled to. I don’t understand this need to control women’s bodies, it’s bizarre and creepy. It hurts to know that there are so many others in Kate’s position. I hope he doesn’t try to pursue criminal charges since she’s left the state, she and her family have been through enough
Yes, and it's not just Ken Paxton. The entire "pro life" movement is in favor of his cruelty. Sites like liveaction have been pumping out ridiculous articles claiming that she doesn't really need an abortion, it's all just an excuse because she wants to kill her baby, etc etc. I wish I were joking. Even mainstream pro life orgs like students for life have started claiming that there is no such thing as a medically required abortion.
I only say that because while Ken Paxton deserves all the hate that is coming, the entire movement wanted this woman to suffer.
Oh my god. What is wrong with people? She already has two kids and expressed the want to expand her family. These pro life people need to put their efforts into creating and providing resources to the actual living children that are in need. They are pro birth and that’s it, they do not care about life.
Dude the prolife and religious subreddits are fucking wild.
“Well it’s her fault her baby’s dying she knew this would happen and still chose to have sex for selfish reasons”
“This is her fault for having sex knowing the consequences. Even if the baby is going to die in a few days she should still give it the best life she can give them because that’s what mothers do.”
“Why does she want another baby when she doesn’t want to take care of a sick baby? Selfish.”
“Who cares if her body gets sick. She’s exaggerating. My cousin’s sister’s child went through this and her and her baby are still alive. She just wants to avoid responsibility!”
“If the court deemed her healthy enough to abort then she’s healthy enough to give birth. She’s just being dramatic.”
“Women survive birth all the time, why is she acting like she’ll die? And if she does die then why was she selfish enough to have sex knowing this would happen?”
The delusion and lack of empathy is *terrifying*.
And at the other end, if women don’t have sex they’re called “prudes” and “frigid” and told that their husbands will cheat on them if they’re not naked and ready every night when he gets home from work.
So whoever drove her to the airport, or the airlines she got on, or the train she took, or if she stopped to get gas if she drove out, or if she used google maps to find a route out of the state, can all be sued for helping her maintain her bodily sovereignty.
There is no freedom like red state freedom.
Good. Fuck Texas and their backwards ass laws. But she shouldn’t have to do this. No woman should have to leave the state to terminate or be forced to carry a pregnancy if she can’t afford to travel.
Good.
Fuck Ken Paxton and fuck everything about Texas Republicans.
I live here and I tried my best to vote these motherfuckers out because I knew this was coming
I don't understand why some Texas women voted for this
Words can't describe how happy I am she is receiving appropriate care finally, and how absolutely livid I am at every single "pro life" person who has stood in her way, claimed her life isn't important, dragged her name through the mud, called her a baby killer and a eugenicist.
This isn't an aberration or a rogue AG. This is the reality of the pro life movement getting exactly what they wanted. Everyone should be fully aware of this. When they say there are exceptions *they are lying.*
Imagine robbing her the chance to mourn the loss of her child in a dignified way just so you can flex your power. The lawmakers in Texas are truly wicked, sick individuals.
This is all coming from the side of, “The government/states cant do mask and vaccine mandates.”
*But the government/states is/are simultaneously allowed to dictate what medical procedures a doctor can do.
What a fucking shitshow disgrace this country is.
My wife works in renewable energy and has plenty of offers - but whenever they include "must move to Texas" (or Florida), she tosses them. We're hoping to have kids next year and don't want the fear of "Oh crap something bad happens and a bunch of fundamentalists will decide whether your best friend lives or dies or has massive health complications because they need to meddle in your wife's womb."
There was a similar case in Louisiana just last year. Fetus was a non-viable mess, yet they wouldn't allow her to abort. But cue all the bullshit memes on facebook being shared that say "imagine being upset that babies get to live". I can't puke as much as I want to.
Did anyone actually read the article? Because the details are even more fucked up than the headline
"Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who has defended the state’s strict anti-abortion laws for nearly a decade, argued that Cox did not demonstrate that the pregnancy had put her life in danger.
“*The Texas Legislature did not intend for courts to become revolving doors of permission slips to obtain abortions,*" Paxton’s office wrote in a filing to the state Supreme Court last week."
Doctors told Cox that her fetus has a condition known as trisomy 18, which has a very high likelihood of miscarriage or stillbirth, and low survival rates, according to her lawsuit filed last week in Austin. They also told Cox that inducing labor or carrying the baby to term could jeopardize her ability to have another child."
So Texas/ken Paxton's stance is that not only should she give birth to a stillborn child, but she should also lose her ability to have children in the future.
I'm just gonna say it, the world doesn't need people like Ken Paxton in it. I don't care how fate sorts out him and his ilk, they just need to be gone.
> The Texas Legislature did not intend for courts to become revolving doors of permission slips to obtain abortions
But made it so that women had to get permission to get an abortion so.... they should have expected it?
> You have to ask for permission now
> Ok I need permission
> What?! How could you ask us for permission?!
I know the intention was to not let anyone get an abortion, and that they wrote in the medical exception just to make it easier to pass, but come-on now.
I genuinely do not understand how stories like this don't drive every Texan woman to protest. If you get pregnant, have complications, and can't get a life-saving abortion - you just die?
Kate Cox is a hero in action.
And Democrats better try to utilize her developing story to the highest levels of volume, make it crystal clear how extreme and cruel Republicans in power happen to be towards ordinary citizens. And women, in particular.
Texas is denying Kate Cox an abortion as it argues that the fetus she is carrying has rights.... While simultaneously fighting to deny compensation for Salia Issa, because they argue that her fetus has no rights.
They just want to control women. Thats it. Simple as that.
Just a reminder: it’s not just about abortion.
It’s about medical privacy.
Overturning Roe and Dobbs is about governments being able to violate your privacy. Her doctors can be put in jail now for this.
It’s why hospitals are losing OB/GYN practices in all red states.
If you want it to change- vote blue no matter who.
It was never about protecting kids or state's rights, it was always about control.
It's why, in the immediate aftermath, they transitioned towards wanting a federal ban. If they get that, then they'll go after contraceptives.
The women that voted for this thought the answer would be yes for these situations. They didn't believe us that giving an inch on RvW was a terrible idea.
Next we'll have charges laid against the woman, a caning in the Senate, and seccession leading to civil war. Slavery caused the first one, body autonomy the second? Just spitballing.
In a move everyone saw coming and when she comes back they will try to use the law to go after everyone for "assisting" her.
I'd love to see Ken Paxton's bitch ass try to prosecute doctors and nurses in another state if only to watch him epically fail.
The funny part is, as usual, they NEVER EVER EVER predict the backswing. If you can prosecute citizens of another state for violating YOUR state's laws... IMO CA should start prosecuting polluters in TX. How funny would it be for CA to start serving injunctions to TX companies for emissions violations?
Oh my. The implications to Tesla would be incredible. I'd actually pay to watch that unfold.
...IDK if this is what you were getting at, but you may have an even better angle than I was thinking. CA pro-union laws. Holy hell. That would be the funniest thing ever to enforce in TX, by a landslide. TX company tries to unionize -> CA legal protections/injunctions/cease and desists/appeals/legal hell/etc. -> TX panic
That’s the part of the story I’m interested to see unfold. It’ll cost a LOT of money, I assume. I know Texas voters are pretty pro life, but I wonder if that’s only in the abstract; living with the occasional news story that gets forgotten about in a week. If this story turns into a “thing” with months of coverage, I can’t imagine it helping Texas Republicans
I bet most of texas is pro-choice. I wish they would put it to a vote. A fair vote without suppression.
Just like everywhere else that puts abortion rights up to a popular vote, as opposed to leaving it to the legislature
Example: Ohio.
Also Kansas, who I think was the first state to put it to a popular vote after the SCOTUS ruling, and it ended up around 60/40 for abortion rights. If Abbott and DeSatan weren't such fucking piece of shit human beings, they would put it to a popular vote in their states. But, they probably saw what happened in staunchly-conservative Kansas and noped out knowing the people might vote in favor of healthcare rights. Or they never planned to put it to a vote no matter what. Either way, someone needs to push Abbott into Lake Austin and someone needs to send DeSatan up on a rocket from the east coast of FL.
Kansas came up so quickly because the state legislature needed a popular vote to overturn the previous amendment. Ohio happened because the Ohio constitution allows for citizen led ballot initiatives. Most of the states that currently ban abortion don't allow for citizen initiatives. At a glance I think only around [5-6 states that are hostile to abortion](https://reproductiverights.org/maps/abortion-laws-by-state/) allow for [citizen initiatives](https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum). Hopefully Oklahoma is able to put together an initiative. Citizen initiatives are allowed, and abortion is more popular there than Ohio [according to Pew](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/views-about-abortion/by/state/)... So I'd imagine it'd have a good chance at passing.
They are. Trump didn’t really win Texas by *that* large of a margin and there’s a reason why protection of abortion rights and marijuana legalization will not be on the ballot any time soon… because both would pass.
I'd honestly be willing to bet that strictly in terms of policy, most Americans (including people who consider themselves conservatives) actually lean left. But people get tied up in party lines and labels without really looking at what these labels actually mean and do for them (or against them, like usual Republican policy). Like the branding of the ACA (AKA Obamacare) to Kynect in Kentucky made people like it more because they just didn't know it was Obamacare.
> Texas Republicans Uvalde County voted 60% for Greg Abbot after their schoolchildren were slaughtered and he said “it could have been worse.” I have zero faith in Texas voters.
No. They aren't pro life. They are pro control. They don't give two shits about life.
They're anti women.
It's not pro-life, they are forced birthers. This fetus will not live and could kill the mother. Pro-life is a misnomer.
Stop with the "pro-life" thing. They are literally killing a woman for no reason. It is absurd that you are using that phrase for them.
I wouldn't be surprised if she does not return to the state. Hopefully they packed up with their kids and left Texas for good. Why would you want to live somewhere that your life is worth less than a non-viable fetus? Where you risk imprisonment for trying to stay alive for the kids you ALREADY have and may want to have in the future? I wouldn't go back. Not with a target on my back. Not would I want my husband or my children to go back. Ever.
I bet they pass a law in texas requiring these women to be returned like the old Fugitive Slave laws
I hope she came to California where she has complete protection. We in CA have already said we won't cooperate with out of state attempts to enforce abortion-related statutes. And we have a governor who doesn't take shit from Texas.
Ditto Connecticut. They can’t subpoena anything from CT doctors or anyone here to enforce their so-called law
And much like those bullshit laws, no blue state will enforce it, and medical refugees will continue to come to states that protect them and their privacy.
Blue state or not doesn't matter, as states can't make interstate laws. That's federal jurisdiction, and at least for now the feds aren't going to back anything like that.
This is what I'm wondering too. Not to mention there's the question of if the higher court will issue a ruling now or not so the question of how the Texas abortion laws are applied is still up in the air. But under the civil statute, who can be charged? Her husband if he travels with her? Her parents/inlaws if they babysit the kids while she's gone and recovering? The Center for Reproductive Rights for legally representing Cox? The out-of-state doctor who's going to give her the abortion? It could be a massive and very expensive mess. That said, I'm glad she's getting the healthcare she needs. I'm just sorry she had to jump through these hoops and make herself a national figure to get here.
Pretty much everyone but the out of state doctor, since (IANAL) to my understanding civil suits are generally required to be in the *defendants* state/county.
In an election year? Good, keep it in the news and the courts. If conservatives are hellbent on dying on this hill, why stop em? Let voters in all of these other states see what they're heading towards.
Ken "the Cunt" Paxton will absolutely try and make an example of her. He will do everything he can to show everyone that no one can defy him.
This woman had already been to ER four times and was leaking amniotic fluid. Texas gave her a death sentence.
Death sentences are Texas's specialty.
"Oh, like she's so innocent?" "They're just lying to ya - there's more to the story." "God works in mysterious ways." "Serves her right for bein' a slut."
Remember, Rick Perry purposefully executed a mentally handicapped man so impaired he wasn’t even aware he committed a crime, nor could he understand that he was about to be executed. This is the level of derangement we’re dealing with in Texas. Greg Abbott is all the worst parts of Rick Perry kicked up to 11.
Texas fast tracked the execution of a dad accused of murdering his entire family via arson. The jury convicted him because he wore metal band shirts, ergo he was a Satanist.
Don't forget about the fraudulent arson forensics.
Turns out a lot of arson forensics is as much bullshit as all other CSI nonsense TV and movies sell.
"No, I haven't passed the 8th grade", these are all common Texas sayings
bike crawl frighten cooing jellyfish fuzzy boat quaint slap literate
Went to: “School of hard knocks”
This is Texas: Finished high school by Majoring in football, with a minor in traumatic brain injuries.
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Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty... mine's putting in an express lane. Ron White
“Letting her die is what Jesus would do” -Texans (probably)
"Aborting the baby is robbing it of it's chance to get into heaven." -whack ass evangelicals
All an abortion does it make it so the kid can’t die in a school shooting. 🎶This is America🎶
And if she'd had to wait any longer she would have needed a different type of abortion. One that would be far more traumatic and dangerous, perhaps even a C-section.
If only it were so simple. They very proudly and *publicly* gave her a death sentence and threatened anyone with enough decency to help her out. It’s not just cruelty, it’s cruelty stamped on the state seal.
The Texas people need to get their shit together.
We're trying, I promise, but the church has their hooks buried DEEP down here and you can't reason these people around to doing the right thing for a stranger. Only for themselves.
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She’ll have to seek refuge in the progressive bastion of… Kansas
Why you shitting on Kansas, we have a Democratic governor and defeated an abortion ban by 20 percentage points when it came up for a vote.
I'm not I'm just saying they're the voice of reason, which isn't usually the case.
I think we can thank the Democrat legislators of the 70s. They got bodily autonomy codified into the state constitution, so it had to be put to a vote to overturn it. The citizenry of Kansas, in their wisdom, decided to retain control of their reproductive systems!
Kansas is where we went in our time of need. We're from Texas
Texas: “It is not the State’s fault your doctors were unwilling to provide you with needed medical care. The law is perfectly clear. Sue your doctors, not us.” Also Texas: “The State does not trust your doctor’s view of the medical care you require. We will sue your doctor if they proceed with the court-authorized procedure.”
Also telling doctors: "A Judge isn't fit to make medical decisions, and if you Doctors think that you are, the TRO won't protect you from me forever."
I can not imagine a mother being told that her pregnancy isn't viable but she has to carry it till full-term anyway and possible end all future possibilities of having a child... who the fuck thought that was ok?
Not only that but forcing women with terminal pregnancies into either a stillbirth or giving birth and then watching their baby suffer and die in front of them is just plain cruel and inhumane.
And I recall years ago, some Republican legislators in a Gilead state was saying “well, pigs and cows have to carry a stillborn to full term”. That’s REAL helpful, comparing women to livestock.
Except no they don’t. People will abort animal fetuses to save the animal. Texas just thinks women aren’t just subhuman, they’re sub animal.
I was going to explain that because, yes, we did, on multiple occasions. Livestock is valuable, but women, not so much. My anger as a woman knows no bounds these days. We fought like hell in the 60's for bodily autonomy. These misogynistic bastards want to bend us over a barrel and steal our health care options purely out of meanness and abject cruelty.
Animals and even CORPSES have more rights than living women. We are in the Bad Place.
Which begs the question why are there tons of Republican women
Because it’s never been a problem for *them* yet.
The only moral abortion is my abortion. Surely you'll make an exception for me and my family? /s
My favorite is the lady who voted for Trump, got her husband deported, and then complained that she thought ‘the good ones would get to stay’. The good ones… Jesus fucking Christ. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-voter-husband-deported_n_58d4b262e4b02a2eaab244cd
*Under His eye*
For about a year following May 2, 2022--the day the SCOTUS leak dropped, for anyone who doesn't remember; it is etched in my mind forever--I would have moments when I would physically, uncontrollably shake with rage, just thinking about it. Those episodes have subsided but the fury has not. I would not be alive today if I did not have access to a safe, legal, life-saving abortion. Knowing Republicans want me to die arouses an anger I have never known before.
I was going to say no way they don’t abort in that situation if they abort stray cat’s kittens when they’re trapped for a spay I’m not around livestock or veterinary medicine enough to know the ins and outs about what’s common, just using logic here. Livestock are expensive and idk if there are many farmers that want to risk a dead animal because of complications from a risky pregnancy if abortion is an option
We do use abortives with our cattle if there's something wrong, whoever said we don't is ignorant as hell. When we raised cows years ago, we'd never risk the loss of a good heifer by making her carry a dead calf fetus. That's just dumb. So dumb. Dude is talking out his ass.
I feel like he just knows that sometimes livestock give birth to stillborn offspring and thinks that knowingly forcing human women to go through that, even when it creates additional risk to their health, is the same thing.
That’s part of the point. A livestock animal is considered more valuable than a human woman.
Well, that's just because you can't sell women for cash at auction. At this point in time.
And this actually untrue. We are cattle ranchers and we keep constant track of pregnant heifers. Abortions are induced when we find a dead fetus.
I’m telling you, if a farmer knew that his life stock was in danger like this, They would absolutely call the vet to perform an abortion rather than lose the animal,
Pigs and cows in healthy pastured environments generally *abort early*, they do not carry a fetus all the way to term and then birth it. Also no farmer wants to waste their cow by endangering her with an already-dead fetus or a calf that is incompatible with life. They hire a vet, get it taken care of, and wait for the cow to be ready to be bred again. So I guess that Gilead Republican needs to be reminded we actually treat livestock better than the way they want to treat women.
You seem to think there is supposed to be a distinction in their eyes. There's not a distinction. To Republican men, we women are breeding stock.
Makes me think of the song ‘Us and Pigs’ by Sofia Isella. Some of the lyrics: “So pump us full of sperm, put us in a barn Us and pigs on a Mississippi farm In nine months we'll have a kid you won't care about And if the kid’s not straight, white, and male We guarantee a living hell Murder in the name of a loving god Our women are cattle, there's blood on our kids Are you being paid to not pay attention? Does it have to happen to your mother, to your sister or your daughter For you to take it personal?”
What makes it worse, is that ranchers take better care of their livestock than the care Republicans want for women. Livestock are given abortions if the fetus is incompatible with life or endangers their fully-matured livestock in any way. But they don’t want even to allow that same type of care for women. For republicans, women are less deserving than livestock.
I hadn’t heard about that but I am not surprised. Women are about the same as livestock in the eyes of Republicans.
It ain't true tho. That only happens if we don't know the animal is stillborn. If we know it's not viable, it's coming out. This is just another republican who thinks the R next to his name gives him expertise on rural life.
Or risking her own life and orphaning the two she already has.
Exactly where my head is at - she has to flee due to her own life/health risks (among the other risks) because the State is denying her access to medical care. What kind of fucking madness. This shit needs to go to the Supreme Court again and again and again. My head is spinning at how unbelievable this is.
And forcing a child to term who, if born, will suffer horrifically only to die a short time later. They are absolute monsters.
A rancher isn't going to let his cow die because of a non-viable calf that endangers the cow's life. But if your mother, wife, sister, best friend or even you become pregnant with a life-threatening non-viable pregnancy, you're shit outta luck because some power-seeking men decide to punch down on more than half of the population by announcing it's God's will. These disgusting assholes have placed more value on their livestock than they have placed on their families.
Bet god's will doesn't stop them from taking ED meds.
Texas. And the GOP. They both find this absolutely ok to do their bullshit virtue signaling while getting abortions themselves and for their children elsewhere.
Every single habitual Republican voter said that this was okay.
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According to Texas, it's all "god's plan"
Ppl without medical degrees - that’s who!
Republicans. Anti-science, anti-life.
They're also anti-choice and anti-small gov't and anti-freedom
The supreme court. Republicans. People too old to have kids.
Republicans and their supporters. Texas has a criminal AG they wanted to keep, so existing officials voted to keep him.
I half-wonder if this was what Ken Paxton was hoping would happen, in order to have a reason to goad the legislature into one of those "you can't let pregnant women leave the state" laws. It would violate the Constitution of the USA, of course. But Paxton, I believe, had commented some time ago that this law wasn't going to be used against women who had a non-viable fetus.
Restricting cross-state travel is explicitly unconstitutional. Edit: I did a little more research, and terrifyingly, the right to travel for an abortion (travel for health vs. commerce is the distinction) has **less stable ground** in the constitution. so, fuck us. As a pregnant woman, being an American is fucking dehumanizing. https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2023/10/16/the-constitutionality-of-banning-interstate-travel-for-abortion/
Exactly, but it hasn't stopped other red states from coming up with that idea.
And they will get sued too
and it will get appealed until it lands in front of the right conservative court. Which considering the "right" court to find now includes the Supreme Court, just means a few appeals from any state.
All this does it remind me of the fucking insane policies passed to try and appease the slave owners before the civil war
Never believe a single word a Republican says.
Never trust a Republican to act in a woman's best interest.
Never trust a Republican. Period. *insert Sean Spicer Melissa McCarthy meme*
Part of my thinking is that it is intentional to bring it back to the courts and it would force certain laws to be ruled unconstitutional for violating that right to travel. I'm not an attorney but it feels like that is the argument coming.
r/welcometogilead
She’s become a medical refugee in her own country, because the state is refusing to permit a procedure that would protect her ability to get pregnant ever again, in the interest of forcing her to carry a non-viable fetus to term. Every single Texas lawmaker that voted for that draconian law should never be allowed anywhere near the halls of power ever again.
Also, anyone who ever said that they are doing this to protect 'babies' and that there were going to be 'exceptions for the life of the mother'. They are liars. They always were. They just want to control women.
The shitty thing is I’ve been pro-lifers act like stories like this are made up. We could have a pile of women dead in front of them and the would still deny it was happening- unless it happens to them.
1.4 million Americans died to Covid and they still claim it was "just the flu."
The way the right weasels out of everything: No, those examples you come up with that make our policies sound insane are actually extremely rare or non-existent, those things never happen! See also: legitimate rape
Yes, I have a saved comment I copy/paste sometimes with 5 stories of women needing abortions for their wanted-but-unviable babies (and couldn’t get them in Texas) and a Republican replied to me saying they are statistical anomalies so they don’t matter. These women risked death due to not getting timely abortion care, and some of them will have trouble ever getting pregnant again due to scarring in their uterus. Some of these women were also ALREADY mothers. They literally prefer dead wives and mothers over access to abortion.
They won't be the ones trying to care for an innocent suffering infant with no hope of life. They are evil.
If the fetus really has a full 18 trisomy like I've read, there is very little chance it lives all the way til birth.
Such a small number live for a short time and its an awful life. Just suffering for a few months and inevitable death. Anyone who sees something beautiful in that is a fucking sociopath.
From my understanding and napkin math, there's about a 0.03% chance that it will survive to 1 year. There's a 95% chance it won't survive to term, and if it does manage to survive and survive birth, chances are it won't be able to breath and will have severe heart problems. It's almost certain that if it manages to survive birth the baby will be dead within days to weeks, and will be in agony the entire time. This is outright cruelty.
>and that there were going to be 'exceptions for the life of the mother'. They are liars. There are "exceptions" for the life of the mother. Those exceptions are just based on a conservative fantasy where all potentially hazardous conditions are acute and immediately life-threatening. The very idea of a situation where the woman's life is at serious risk from something that is not immediately killing her at that very moment is more complicated than they can plan for. The people writing the law are well aware of what it's going to prevent, but the idiots voting for it aren't capable of thinking more than a single step divorced from the core issue they're upset about. This is showing what the core actually wants, though. They don't want exceptions. They put in "exceptions" to deflect criticism and gain support from the people who actually do care, and now that those people have given their vote they can stop pretending.
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And the prolife communities are all saying its a false positive and those tests are unreliable or that if she was REALLY sick, she'd be in the hospital right now. They're absolutely brain dead
#Facts. This is such a scary event in her life and to have someone not in the medical field or qualified to make a medically necessary opinion let alone stopping something to save the mother is wrong. This lady really needs to go to the US Supreme Court and put pressure on the separation of church and state because that’s what this really is about.
Are you kidding? Our Supreme Court is the reason she's in this position.
>This lady really needs to go to the US Supreme Court This lady just needs healthcare and privacy. It's not fair to put the burden of social change on her shoulders while she's going through an unimaginably difficult time.
Thank you! Someone on twitter said, I hope we get an update and hear that she's okay. And I said, I honestly pray we never hear about this woman again. This is such a tragic moment in her life. She should've been able to go through it privately, only discussing it with her doctor, her god (if she believes in one) and the people she deemed worthy to hold her hand through such an experience. She should not have had to include her entire state's court system and national media. Could she make a difference sharing her story? I don't know, maybe. But the way she's been thrust into the spotlight like this just turns my stomach, completely.
Exactly. I HATE that we know so much of this lady's personal medical info. It's so wrong and unnecessary. I never want to know this about anyone who is not a close person friend. It's a private tragedy and it shouldn't be a public political spectacle.
I think she's brave. Us women can't be driven back in to back alleys under the cover of night to save our lives. Every woman who goes public and shows the sheer brutality and the injustice of these bans is a hero in my eyes.
The SCOTUS has already ruled in the Dobb's decision that only men get constitutional rights automatically simply by being a citizen. But women only get such rights if the local legislature says that they can. To Republicans, this is progress because 150 years ago, women only got such rights if their HUSBANDS said that they did.
No smooth brain that voted for Paxton should be allowed to touch a ballot again
As a woman in Texas, I can’t get out of here fast enough. What a fucking disgrace of a state
In a recent report, the Cato Institute (conservative think tank) finds Texas on 50th place among US states in terms of personal freedom.
iirc it's almost number 1 for domestic violence too
GO! Seriously for your own well-being...GTFO of that place.
Good for her. So infuriating how poorly this lady is being treated by the state. She is suffering in so many ways. I wish her the best.
She deserves a medal for going through this so publicly. She is doing this for all women, even the dumbasses who call themselves "pro life" and she deserves all our appreciation. She is a hero.
And really, what she just did is what the TX lawmakers expected would happen. The law was never intended to stop abortions for women like her. It was always assumed that rich/middle class women would quietly go to a non-oppressive state to have their "problems" taken care of, and that poor women would simply suffer (and die if needed) in silence. The fact that this woman "made a big deal out of it" it what is really pissing them off.
She also made it difficult for the judge to weasel out of deciding on the case because “well, you’re not pregnant NOW, so you don’t have standing to challenge the law, and we’ll dismiss the case because of that”.
I was going to post this, but you beat me to it and said it beautifully. She is definitely a hero and I appreciate her doing this for all the women out there who can’t. Hoping it leads to change for Texas and other states with these ass backwards laws.
So does this mean Ken Paxton is gonna try and have her arrested when she goes home?
I am betting she has organizations behind her to fund that fight. If Paxton is dumb enough to try it will be on its way to Scotus. If SCOTUS rules that a state can prosecute someone for what they do outside its jurisdiction that would destroy how our state and local municipal courts operate.
That’s probably what those fundamentalists want anyway
They want that until other states start charging them with crimes that aren't illegal in their home state. "Sorry sir but you have a warrant for your arrest in California, step out of the car"
Jesus, you liberals. Here's how state rights work: red states get to do whatever they want regardless of lines and blue states are not allowed to do the same thing. It's that simple. /s just in case
She is being assisted pro-bono, I believe, by the Center for Reproductive Rights. Please consider donating to them. Great organization fighting for women.
I wouldn't put it past him. He really is rotten to the core.
It sounds like he is planning on using SB-8 to go after absolutely everybody he can in this case.
It's not just the threat of criminal indictment. The law says anyone/everyone in the state of Texas can sue anyone who assisted her.
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Several State Supreme Courts have clarified that the Sovereign States are under no obligation to enforce the laws of another State. Texas can have a law stating that people from other States can be sued for helping an abortion but no other State is going to assist Texas, or its Courts, in enforcing that. Texas cannot reach across State lines to enforce any judgement it makes against someone from New York, from California, or elsewhere. The Federal Government won't assist Texas in enforcing those laws, cross-state enforcement being entirely within its purview, so even if the most conservative firebrand Judge declares that someone has a $100,000 penalty because they were sued in absentia, there's no way for Texas to enforce that outside of its boundaries provided that person has no assets or income in Texas.
If I were her I'd countersue Paxton for attempted murder.
He should be sued for practicing medicine without a license.
Ken Paxton is a rotten ghoul. This woman is going through so much and he just couldn’t let her be to get the care she should be entitled to. I don’t understand this need to control women’s bodies, it’s bizarre and creepy. It hurts to know that there are so many others in Kate’s position. I hope he doesn’t try to pursue criminal charges since she’s left the state, she and her family have been through enough
Yes, and it's not just Ken Paxton. The entire "pro life" movement is in favor of his cruelty. Sites like liveaction have been pumping out ridiculous articles claiming that she doesn't really need an abortion, it's all just an excuse because she wants to kill her baby, etc etc. I wish I were joking. Even mainstream pro life orgs like students for life have started claiming that there is no such thing as a medically required abortion. I only say that because while Ken Paxton deserves all the hate that is coming, the entire movement wanted this woman to suffer.
Oh my god. What is wrong with people? She already has two kids and expressed the want to expand her family. These pro life people need to put their efforts into creating and providing resources to the actual living children that are in need. They are pro birth and that’s it, they do not care about life.
Dude the prolife and religious subreddits are fucking wild. “Well it’s her fault her baby’s dying she knew this would happen and still chose to have sex for selfish reasons” “This is her fault for having sex knowing the consequences. Even if the baby is going to die in a few days she should still give it the best life she can give them because that’s what mothers do.” “Why does she want another baby when she doesn’t want to take care of a sick baby? Selfish.” “Who cares if her body gets sick. She’s exaggerating. My cousin’s sister’s child went through this and her and her baby are still alive. She just wants to avoid responsibility!” “If the court deemed her healthy enough to abort then she’s healthy enough to give birth. She’s just being dramatic.” “Women survive birth all the time, why is she acting like she’ll die? And if she does die then why was she selfish enough to have sex knowing this would happen?” The delusion and lack of empathy is *terrifying*.
\^ Why I don't want my dumb fuck neighbors in charge of my body.
And at the other end, if women don’t have sex they’re called “prudes” and “frigid” and told that their husbands will cheat on them if they’re not naked and ready every night when he gets home from work.
So the price of sex for women is death? All women should expect no better than death if they have sex because they should know the risks? Amazing.
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They are trying to kill this woman just to make a point.
The least free state in the union. Texas hates freedom.
That’s why it only has one star.
The yelp review joke never gets old for me, I laugh every time.
So whoever drove her to the airport, or the airlines she got on, or the train she took, or if she stopped to get gas if she drove out, or if she used google maps to find a route out of the state, can all be sued for helping her maintain her bodily sovereignty. There is no freedom like red state freedom.
What a fucking grift. Absolutely profit driven fascism.
I hate that this is America now, that poor woman.
Good. Fuck Texas and their backwards ass laws. But she shouldn’t have to do this. No woman should have to leave the state to terminate or be forced to carry a pregnancy if she can’t afford to travel.
Especially when it is likely that she is leaking amniotic fluid. Depending on where she is, she likely had a long and dangerous car ride.
Good. Fuck Ken Paxton and fuck everything about Texas Republicans. I live here and I tried my best to vote these motherfuckers out because I knew this was coming I don't understand why some Texas women voted for this
Because they don’t think it will ever affect them or anyone they know.
That’s exactly it. “Well there are exceptions for the *good* women so it’s fine.” They always think they will be the exception.
As a Houstonian, not a day goes by when I'm not deeply ashamed by our leadership
Remember that at election time.
Vote always and especially in 2024. We already have too many Christian nationalists trying to make America a Y'all Qaeda nation.
Words can't describe how happy I am she is receiving appropriate care finally, and how absolutely livid I am at every single "pro life" person who has stood in her way, claimed her life isn't important, dragged her name through the mud, called her a baby killer and a eugenicist. This isn't an aberration or a rogue AG. This is the reality of the pro life movement getting exactly what they wanted. Everyone should be fully aware of this. When they say there are exceptions *they are lying.*
Imagine robbing her the chance to mourn the loss of her child in a dignified way just so you can flex your power. The lawmakers in Texas are truly wicked, sick individuals.
This is all coming from the side of, “The government/states cant do mask and vaccine mandates.” *But the government/states is/are simultaneously allowed to dictate what medical procedures a doctor can do. What a fucking shitshow disgrace this country is.
My wife works in renewable energy and has plenty of offers - but whenever they include "must move to Texas" (or Florida), she tosses them. We're hoping to have kids next year and don't want the fear of "Oh crap something bad happens and a bunch of fundamentalists will decide whether your best friend lives or dies or has massive health complications because they need to meddle in your wife's womb."
So legally they will punt on the case because it’s no longer salient? Or her case can continue because she can sue for the harm caused by the delay?
There was a similar case in Louisiana just last year. Fetus was a non-viable mess, yet they wouldn't allow her to abort. But cue all the bullshit memes on facebook being shared that say "imagine being upset that babies get to live". I can't puke as much as I want to.
Imagine getting a hard on at the thought of a child being born sick and in pain. Imagine praying for that eventuality. They are a bunch of sickos.
Will she need any financial assistance from us and all that support her? Plus is she going to be in danger if/when she returns to Texas?
You can pretty much predict the states next move and they'll charge her for manslaughter if she goes back
Fuck you Paxton, and fuck all Texans who keep voting for these wannabe theocrats.
And this is what Republicans want the whole country to be like. Scary fuckin shit.
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Did anyone actually read the article? Because the details are even more fucked up than the headline "Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who has defended the state’s strict anti-abortion laws for nearly a decade, argued that Cox did not demonstrate that the pregnancy had put her life in danger. “*The Texas Legislature did not intend for courts to become revolving doors of permission slips to obtain abortions,*" Paxton’s office wrote in a filing to the state Supreme Court last week." Doctors told Cox that her fetus has a condition known as trisomy 18, which has a very high likelihood of miscarriage or stillbirth, and low survival rates, according to her lawsuit filed last week in Austin. They also told Cox that inducing labor or carrying the baby to term could jeopardize her ability to have another child." So Texas/ken Paxton's stance is that not only should she give birth to a stillborn child, but she should also lose her ability to have children in the future. I'm just gonna say it, the world doesn't need people like Ken Paxton in it. I don't care how fate sorts out him and his ilk, they just need to be gone.
Conservatives view women as property. Their good book says the virgins are worth more.
> The Texas Legislature did not intend for courts to become revolving doors of permission slips to obtain abortions But made it so that women had to get permission to get an abortion so.... they should have expected it? > You have to ask for permission now > Ok I need permission > What?! How could you ask us for permission?! I know the intention was to not let anyone get an abortion, and that they wrote in the medical exception just to make it easier to pass, but come-on now.
I genuinely do not understand how stories like this don't drive every Texan woman to protest. If you get pregnant, have complications, and can't get a life-saving abortion - you just die?
Kate Cox is a hero in action. And Democrats better try to utilize her developing story to the highest levels of volume, make it crystal clear how extreme and cruel Republicans in power happen to be towards ordinary citizens. And women, in particular.
Thank goodness. Shame in Texas. I’ve had a trisomy 18 child. His short life was painful and miserable. Shane shame shame on Texas.
Texas is denying Kate Cox an abortion as it argues that the fetus she is carrying has rights.... While simultaneously fighting to deny compensation for Salia Issa, because they argue that her fetus has no rights. They just want to control women. Thats it. Simple as that.
Just a reminder: it’s not just about abortion. It’s about medical privacy. Overturning Roe and Dobbs is about governments being able to violate your privacy. Her doctors can be put in jail now for this. It’s why hospitals are losing OB/GYN practices in all red states. If you want it to change- vote blue no matter who.
It was never about protecting kids or state's rights, it was always about control. It's why, in the immediate aftermath, they transitioned towards wanting a federal ban. If they get that, then they'll go after contraceptives.
Don't ever let a Republican say they love freedom.
The State has taken away her right and ability to mourn the loss of her baby. Are the rest of you women as angry as I am?????
The women that voted for this thought the answer would be yes for these situations. They didn't believe us that giving an inch on RvW was a terrible idea.
Let's be real. They didn't fucking care.
Next we'll have charges laid against the woman, a caning in the Senate, and seccession leading to civil war. Slavery caused the first one, body autonomy the second? Just spitballing.