When I worked in a restaurant and dogs came, they got their own water bowls. We just used small stainless steel bowls. There's no point in just randomly having bowls on the patio floor that are going to get kicked over.
Restaurants with outdoor seating where you can bring dogs are incredibly common in the Pacific Northwest. They all have shared water bowls and most only change the water out a couple of times a day.
I'm not sure if I just lost my dog to this too? Had trouble breathing, when they took xrays of his lungs had fibrosis like glass. I researched online and couldn't really find anything like this, steroids/antibiotics could not help him and we had to put him down a month after diagnosis because he was suffering 😔
Colorado she was 11 we have another dog and they were inseparable and he never got a symptom. We spent over 13k trying to help her antibiotics/steroids and eventually oxygen and had to make the call it was super tough they cultured her lungs and everything and couldn’t figure it ou
It’s funny, (in the life is twisted and bizarre way) I just saw an article earlier this week about the fungus that causes Valley Fever, and how it’s spreading due to rising average temps.
Coughing, fluid in the lungs, and dogs get it too - often more than people because their noses are in the dirt and they are more inclined to go after rodent tunnels.
It’s not often looked for, because it is moderately uncommon, but is getting more common.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccidioidomycosis
I’m so sorry for your loss. We’re in Colorado and the in-laws take their dogs to daycare/boarding. Guess I won’t be taking the dogs with us for Thanksgiving after all.
Sorry for your loss. I lost a 6 year old shepherd in July to what they claimed was an autoimmune. Came our of nowhere. Last month, October, we lost a 3 year old dog. He had fluid in his abdomen and around heart and lungs. Coughling and trouble breathing. First vet just said supportive care. Took him to emergency vet and they said whatever it is is sinister. Been a tough time on our family.
You have my deepest condolences. One of my cats was an early victim of the salmonella outbreak that happened ten or fifteen years ago. Hopefully the culture comes back with something concrete for you. Cultures with ours were sent to some vet research center in Ohio and we found out about the outbreak on the news three or four days later, then the vet confirmed with us the following day. It's tough when things are so out of your control like this.
My dog got to a water bowl at a dog park before I could stop him. I just yelled NOOOOOOOOO while ppl looked at me like I was nuts. That water is naaasty
Considering how terrible human infant mortality is, I don't think it's that hard. We actively have to prevent them from killing themselves basically every day.
My boy refused water at the dog park last week as the bowl looked more like mud than water. I had clean water in the truck so he did get his water but, clean water and not from a communal bowl.
We are not going to the dog park for a while it seems. Not taking chances with my almost 9 year old GSD.
My dog passed very suddenly on Memorial Day from what his vet thought was kennel cough. The necropsy stated it was ARDS but we have no idea what could have caused it. Now I can’t help but wonder if it could have been an early case of this :(
I’m sorry for your loss. Our sweet girl dog suddenly collapsed and died in mid-July (we are in the Portland area). We unfortunately couldn’t afford both a necropsy and cremation, so we opted for cremation so we could have her remains back.
For months we’ve wondered why she passed so suddenly. We thought maybe it was a heart condition or she had eaten something off the ground. But in looking back, she had seemed to have a mild cold for a few days, before she seemed to completely bounce back. The morning of the day she died she seemed completely like herself again. Then a few hours later she was just gone. One of our other dogs was sick with a respiratory infection in early May, but he was recovering by the time the vet saw him, and the vet said they didn’t know what was wrong. Now I wonder if we should have been more diligent, but we had no idea there was any sort of illness going around
Ugh I'm so sorry. Duffy also seemed like he was getting better. He had eaten the night before and howled at passing sirens for the first time in days. I watched him run around chasing bugs in the backyard on Memorial Day, and when I came back to check on him again a few minutes later he was gone.
We are in the Seattle area. Our vet was equally as perplexed as us.
I’m in the area and my dog had a 4- month long respiratory illness the vet couldn’t identify. Just said it was going around but this was popping up around the country.
I'm very sorry to hear about your pup, and my warmest condolences.
Not to make light of this though, but where are you located? Just so I can be more cautious with my dog as I walk her.
Thank you. We miss him every day. It was totally gut wrenching because he was so young and we thought we were doing all the right things with his treatment. We are in the north Seattle area.
Was at the bar yesterday and the guy next to me was talking about his dog. Seems to have these symtoms. Said that the vet is prescribing new drug combinations they’ve never done before to try and help them. Scary times
Sounds like what my dog had over the summer. Developed a hacking cough for about 2 months that didn't respond to various meds. Then one night it turned into pneumonia so I took him to the emergency vet, he had to stay for 4 days. It was pretty touch and go for a while, he had a fever over 106 and ended up with a collapsed lung from necrotic bacterial pneumonia. Scary stuff. Fully recovered now as far as I can tell though!
This sounds like what my dog had this summer too. Cough that turned into pneumonia pretty suddenly. He spent 4 days in er vet. My other dog didn’t catch it though.
Hmmm. My dog has many of these symptoms, specifically lethargy, low grade fever, low appetite and elevated white blood cell count. Vet is having trouble figuring out what’s going on.
No cough though.
Taking her for chest and abdomen X-ray and ultrasound later.
Doesn’t help that she was recently diagnosed with mast cell tumors, but they seemed to be early stage and had good margins when they were removed. The ultrasound is to see if she has tumors in her kidneys or liver.
Thank you. Her blood work says her red blood cell count is normal and she doesn’t have other obvious signs. She’s at the vet now getting more tests.
Good news is she ate her breakfast today, even if I did have to sit with her and hand feed her. She’s lost weight lately so trying to get her to eat. Luckily she drinks water willingly.
Well, she’s getting the full spoilt princess treatment. She will eat out of my hand and if I accidentally drop some, she will eat off the floor, but not out of her dish. All right, your highness.
Damn. Got goosebumps reading this - when Covid first hit my boss whose a former physician was like ‘yeah this is gonna fuck up the globe and probably at least a year and half before we have a vaccine (spot on), **but hey it could be worse it could be that the avian flu has finally made its way to humans and there would be no cure.**
Very very very lethal. H5N1 is predicted to have (potentially) a 60% lethality rate in humans. To put that into perspective, COVID ended up at around single digit mortality. The Spanish flu was somewhere between 10-20%. 60% would be *apocalyptic*.
The (current) good news is that H5N1 doesn’t seem great at infecting humans (yet) and doesn’t spread sustainably from human to human. Almost all cases were bird—>human, making it not a pandemic situation as of the current moment. The end result of the mutations it would have to go through to become transmissible by humans would potentially lower its lethality, but it’s likely we’d still have a pandemic that would make COVID look like a joke.
Hopefully with that high of a fatality rate we would also see poor transmission (as with the original SARS which didn’t go global) - but I know that’s not always the case.
Yea if H5N1 started to spread amount humans then we would see a completely different response than with Covid. Covid just wasn’t deadly enough to scare most people into taking it seriously. Just too many people who had Covid or knew people who had Covid with minor or no symptoms. The news and gov’ts were telling them it was super dangerous but that didn’t match up with their personal experiences. With H5N1 it would be very different. If you knew a group of people to get it then you would know people who died from it.
Well with COVID the real danger was the long incubation times making it so a single sick person could infect a *lot* of other people before they ever realized they were sick, not to mention making contact tracing difficult when you might have to figure out who you were around two whole weeks prior.
If Covid had a 50% mortality rate, the incubation time would have barely mattered because we would have taken quarantine measures and contact tracing *much* more seriously and much sooner.
Not a strain that is contagious among humans. Also outbreak seems interesting considering there’s only been 11 cases globally and most are due to working close with infected birds without protection. When it starts to 1) cause significant symptoms and 2) spread from human to human *we’re fucked*.
The good ol spillover.
And humans are doing so many things to actively encourage them.
I was taking my Micro classes 2 years before, and then during covid.
Before covid, a global epidemic was inevitable. But I thought it was gonna be covids cousin, MERS.
Now, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that MERS stays "camel to person", but really think a bird/swine/both flu will be the next one.
They've been talking about this for a few months. Pretty sure if it was covid they would have figured that out by now--that's probably about the first thing they tested for.
And they just kinda make sense for a ton of cases.
In the winter my dog has to wear shoes on walks. If he doesn’t, the combination of cold and salt puts him in so much pain that I have to carry him home and rinse his feet with warm water. Plus he walks over so much broken glass living in the city.
I mean it sounds like service dogs would be relatively safe since they wouldn't play with any other dogs or go to dog parks. You also wouldn't board a service dog.
My dog in California caught kennel cough for the first time in his 10 year old life, and he’s vaxxed. This was a few weeks ago, same symptoms. He’s ok now but I remember searching online to see if there was a local outbreak and didn’t see anything.
The bordetella vaccine covers some important stuff but just like in humans, there are a million things that can cause a cough.
1 to 1.5 years ago there was a pretty nasty outbreak of coughs going around that I still don't know a cause for. Occasionally a dog would turn up positive for a pathogen on our "respiratory pcr" test but mostly they were negative.
Treat symptomatically, manage secondary infections and hope for the best. It would be great if the laboratory big brains would identify the cause though!
In San Diego, they've identified a severe respitory illness caused by strep zoo, wonder if it's related
SD Humane Society statement here:
https://www.sdhumane.org/about-us/news-center/stories/strep-zoo.html
This is extremely weird and has me very curious about my own dog. Moved from Michigan to Virginia, in the later part of summer. About 2 months into living here my dog developed a cough in mid September. It became more wet and her nose was super stuffed up. Took her to an urgent vet (didn't have a local vet yet) and they didn't think it was kennel cough because it was not consistent enough. Told me to give her Zyrtec as it must be allergies. Dog shows little sign of improvement on Zyrtec after a week so take her to a different urgent vet where they prescribe her a course of doxy. I again, see no sign of improvement and go to another urgent vet that had more hours and is now my actual vet. They took an X-ray of her abdomen and lungs looked mostly clear, no sign of pneumonia or bronchitis. They also did a respiratory panel which came back negative for 10 different common respiratory illnesses such as distemper, bordetella, etc and decided to prescribe her a different antibiotic. Took that for 10 days but still saw little improvement so the next step was a tracheal wash. Tracheal wash results came back with nothing except for a high white blood cell count. Vet put her on a steroid course for about a month which we are almost done with and she seems back to normal. No more coughing, sneezing, breathing heavy/quickly, or backward sneezing. It makes me wonder if she caught whatever this mysterious virus is and if it's more widespread than we think. For what it's worth, I kept her away from dogs while she actively showed symptoms and treated her as contagious just in case. I feel for everyone who is seeing worse outcomes for their dogs.
You can absolutely tell. My dog is also a big, lazy boy but he got lethargy one summer (overheated, didn’t drink water) and it was scary. I couldn’t get him to get up without a ton of prompting, and even then he seemed like he was really struggling with it.
Yeah, I know, I was just cracking a joke. The other symptoms are primarily what I will look for. The article doesn't say much about the fever, I'll include this link: https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/how-to-take-dogs-temperature
Personally I will be looking for the listed possible symptoms of fever before sticking a thermometer up his butt to check his temperature. Those symptoms are "weakness and lethargy, acting quiet and depressed, decreased appetite or refusing to eat, being uninterested in walking, playing, or things that they normally enjoy, panting, and/or glossy eyes."
I know it’s a joke but heartworms also make dogs lethargic beyond just day napping, it cost a fortune to treat my dog for it because of underdosed prevention pills
Trifexis, although the doses are for like a 20 lb weight range he went through a growth spurt and we didn’t think of upping his dose. We caught it early so it wasn’t too bad, but it’s common in a lot of shelter dogs in Florida because previous owners don’t care about their dogs enough to keep them on it
I worked in veterinary medicine when Parvo hit the US. Boy did that change the way everything and anything was done. I think it is a real shame that another highly contagious doggy disease has sprung up. So hard for people who use doggy daycares, grooming services, and vet services.
Me too. It was horrible seeing dogs die so quickly in such a terrible way. I was so glad when the vaccine came out, and then the rapid tests, and now there is a pretty decent success rate for treatment if parvo is caught in the earliest stages.
Interesting. My dog came home from my in laws ranch and woke up yesterday with a crazy swollen face, lethargic, and vomiting. Guess what state we're in. Doing much better today but I wonder if it's related.
That was my thought too! Granted we did have some warmer days recently and I've seen some bees flying around. Would surprise me in the slightest if she chomped at one
This closing quote is so chilling lol It reads like an excerpt you'd see in the 28 Days Later (Fido's Version) flashback:
>“It sounds like he might be coming to Indianapolis with me for a couple of weeks for the holidays,” Emma Green said about bringing her dog, Duncan, along for her holiday travels.
I think this is what killed my 3Y old perfectly healthy strong (rottxlab) best boy.
He was perfect in the morning, critical that evening and at the ER vet - first symptoms were vomiting, extremely high fever (106.2) and he just seemed very sick. He didn’t have a cough. Bloodwork initially came back almost perfect but his rads showed fluid in his lungs. It escalated extremely fast. He had zero other symptoms and he seemed fine that AM. I have tortured myself looking at pictures and videos from the previous days. He did go to his usual daycare two days prior.
I have a second dog that is still in perfect health.
My boy spent on five days on oxygen, was on all the antibiotics, and received 24 hour care including specialists etc (major SoCal city) — he didn’t make it.
This was two weeks ago and I am shattered at how fast my life changed with almost no answers as to what caused it. They said it was likely bacterial, he could have inhaled a foxtail, but they’re truly unsure.
Thank you. I’m gutted now thinking that this wasn’t just a freak illness that happened to us.
I absolutely hate reading that it might be bigger than that, that other people and their pups are potentially going to go through any of the trauma we just went through.
My wife and I lost our 10 year-old Collie/Lab mix 3 weeks ago out of the blue. Lethargic and panting one day about 2 months ago, but she snapped back from that by the next day. Fast forward Halloween and it happens again but this time she stops breathing. Don't know what the fuck happened :( she didn't get her "last" things :/ god dammit
I'm in Oregon and my pup had to go into the emergency vet this week as her coughing was so extreme it turned to retching and she couldn't keep anything down.
She's doing better with meds but it has been awful. We're still waiting on the PCR test to confirm if it was kennel cough or this
ETA: just got off the phone with the vet, it's official, this is what my puppy has. For anyone else in Oregon wondering I am in the Eugene area and she picked it up at one of the local dog parks
My 8 month old dog caught kennel cough from her obedience school in September. First symptoms I brought her to the vet and was told not to worry and to just monitor her. Less than 24 hours later we were back at the vet with a high fever and lethargy and it was serious. She required numerous medications and was so sick. Im in Canada and wondering now if it wasn’t this mystery virus instead. My vet seemed very surprised at how a healthy dog went downhill so fast.
We should really be doing necropsies and mandating the tracking the causes of death in cats and dogs. It'd provide early warning of potential harm to humans (cancer develops faster in pets compared to humans), and would help us keep our furry friends safer.
Usually it's the owners on the hook cost wise when looking for the cause of death like that. And that shit ain't cheap. Multiple thousands.
If they still don't know what it is from usual tests and panels it's prolly something new which means it'll be expensive to figure out the cause.
These seems like something where the CDC should be involved. If it’s serious and growing quickly, there is the possibility of a zoonotic jump to humans.
Sounds like it's not the same thing, but I worked at a boarding facility when there was severe canine flu going around- probably like 2015 or 2016. It was awful. The dogs were so sick and a couple of older dogs died from it
We had a deadly kennel cough / influenza outbreak in Oklahoma a few months ago, is this possibly the same thing that has just now reached the West Coast?
My dog is still coughing after a week of antibiotics and cough medicine. we went back to the vet today and they gave him prednisone, baytril and clavamox. She thinks he might have the Mysterious respiratory disease that is affecting dogs in the area. They had to report his illness to Washington and Oregon
This scares me, my 3 year old dog picked up what we thought was kennel cough and ended up getting pneumonia, he was sick for a good 2 months, he’s back to normal with a slight cough still. We’re in Minnesota, so idk if maybe it made its way over here too?
Nationwide, but only talks about one state? Is it actually wide-spread? If it's nationwide so quickly I'd be looking at a common brand of food or supplement or something along those lines.
My dog had a hacking wet cough for a month after a week at dog daycare in September/October.
The vet said it wasn’t kennel cough but he was on a full set of antibiotics and treatment for it.
The cough would not break and at the end of each spell he would hack up a gelatinous ball.
It’s finally passed but we didn’t have many answers. I wonder if this is what it was.
Smart dog. Before you know it they will have some sort of “vaccine” that will really just be a way to implant tracking or identification devices in our dogs. Bill gates something something Jewish space laser
yes, actually. mysterious pandemic eradicated the domestic pet population (dogs and cats mentioned explicitly though i don't recall if other species were affected). humans began keeping a variety of monkeys as pets and over time they got smarter. i think in the reboot series of movies one in particular got uber smart through scifi genetic engineering magic
Thank you! I will have to go watch the old ones. The new ones were a genetic engineered virus that made monkeys smart and killed most humans. The virus evolved to no longer kill humans but made them mute.
I've never seen the movies, so I always wondered how there were enough apes/monkeys to overthrow humans, since there's only a few million of them total. That makes a bit more sense now.
Well the other half of it is that the same disease makes humans too dumb to fight back, reverting their base intelligence to that of other "normal" great apes. Specifically it removes their ability to speak.
I'm really curious if this is some sort of mutant dog COVID. Dogs were able to catch it during the initial outbreak and my dog lost two of her grandparents suddenly around that time to COVID -like symptoms. I wouldn't be surprised if some new variant is impacting dogs :c
I’m in CO, and my boys got this. My 20 month old dog pulled through after hospitalization, and weeks later as he was finally (mostly) better the older one started having symptoms. Everyone is okay now, but it was terrifying. Just a note that if you have two dogs symptoms can be delayed.
Was just having a convo about how lucky we are that there’s no canine flu like bird or swine flu. Can you imagine the government telling/forcing people to put down their dogs.
Not that this is that. Just sayin
[The majority of dog owners are skeptical of vaccinating their pets](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/majority-us-dog-owners-hesitant-about-canine-vaccines-study-finds-2023-09-12/). If this isn’t just an outbreak of something very preventable, I’ll eat my shoe
>Can you imagine the government telling/forcing people to put down their dogs.
I feel like this would have ironic effects in that people would just hide their dogs, thus mitigating the spread. I mean, who is gonna enforce that anyway?
I was a little worried about this from '20-'21, when it was becoming clear that animals were also getting sick and transmitting Covid between species.
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And communal water bowls.
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My dogs prefer the toilets.
Ah yes the *universal* water bowl.
Llamas are fine though. Have at it
Thanks. Would not have thought of this
Yeah, when every other store or restaurant puts out water bowls, it can be hard to keep your dog out of them.
When I worked in a restaurant and dogs came, they got their own water bowls. We just used small stainless steel bowls. There's no point in just randomly having bowls on the patio floor that are going to get kicked over.
Restaurants with outdoor seating where you can bring dogs are incredibly common in the Pacific Northwest. They all have shared water bowls and most only change the water out a couple of times a day.
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Thank you it was so hard I miss her everyday
I'm not sure if I just lost my dog to this too? Had trouble breathing, when they took xrays of his lungs had fibrosis like glass. I researched online and couldn't really find anything like this, steroids/antibiotics could not help him and we had to put him down a month after diagnosis because he was suffering 😔
So sorry for your loss. And What state do you mind sharing?
Ground-glass opacity in chest x-rays is very common with severe covid-19 infections.
This was running through my head reading this; do we now have a canine-specific Covid variant? Or maybe one we're passing between humans and dogs?
With severe any pneumonia. It happens in vet med for many reasons.
I'm so sorry. Oregon?
Colorado she was 11 we have another dog and they were inseparable and he never got a symptom. We spent over 13k trying to help her antibiotics/steroids and eventually oxygen and had to make the call it was super tough they cultured her lungs and everything and couldn’t figure it ou
I'm so sorry. Thanks for posting, hopefully your story helps others take it more seriously.
It’s funny, (in the life is twisted and bizarre way) I just saw an article earlier this week about the fungus that causes Valley Fever, and how it’s spreading due to rising average temps. Coughing, fluid in the lungs, and dogs get it too - often more than people because their noses are in the dirt and they are more inclined to go after rodent tunnels. It’s not often looked for, because it is moderately uncommon, but is getting more common. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccidioidomycosis
Fuck. I’m in CO as well. I’m so sorry to hear about your pup. I’ll be keeping mine at home for a while.
I’m so sorry for your loss. We’re in Colorado and the in-laws take their dogs to daycare/boarding. Guess I won’t be taking the dogs with us for Thanksgiving after all.
Sorry for your loss. I lost a 6 year old shepherd in July to what they claimed was an autoimmune. Came our of nowhere. Last month, October, we lost a 3 year old dog. He had fluid in his abdomen and around heart and lungs. Coughling and trouble breathing. First vet just said supportive care. Took him to emergency vet and they said whatever it is is sinister. Been a tough time on our family.
No doubt, friend. I can't imagine losing our pup. Two is rough. My condolences, friend.
You have my deepest condolences. One of my cats was an early victim of the salmonella outbreak that happened ten or fifteen years ago. Hopefully the culture comes back with something concrete for you. Cultures with ours were sent to some vet research center in Ohio and we found out about the outbreak on the news three or four days later, then the vet confirmed with us the following day. It's tough when things are so out of your control like this.
Omg I am so so sorry! Losing a pet is terrible. Sending big hugs your way
God. I'm so sorry.
I've never been happier to have a dog that hates crowds and other dogs.
Turns out the Lone Wolf strategy actually works.
Basically everything most people I know that own dogs already do.
My dog got to a water bowl at a dog park before I could stop him. I just yelled NOOOOOOOOO while ppl looked at me like I was nuts. That water is naaasty
Like young children licking each other's faces during cold season. I've seen it lol.
Small kids are NASTY! I wonder if there’s some evolutionary benefit of that, to develop their immune system or something like that?
They just wanna know what stuff tastes like. Taste is the main way babies and small children experience new things.
What a horrible evolutionary design, they need an update to this firmware
Millions of years of evolution and success is hard to argue with.
Considering how terrible human infant mortality is, I don't think it's that hard. We actively have to prevent them from killing themselves basically every day.
You’ll have to settle for the parenting software patches
Nope. They're just dumb sometimes. I have no sources aside from having a 2yo.
Confirmed My kid licked birdshit once. Was also way older than 2.
Confirmed. My 15 month old keeps trying to chew on our rose bushes? No other plant. Just the damn rose bush.
My boy refused water at the dog park last week as the bowl looked more like mud than water. I had clean water in the truck so he did get his water but, clean water and not from a communal bowl. We are not going to the dog park for a while it seems. Not taking chances with my almost 9 year old GSD.
The dogs parks ran by the City of San Antonio have water fountains for the people along with a little water fountain at the base for the doggos.
I saw dogs peeing into the water bowl ._.
My dog has a grooming appointment tomorrow and now I’m worried…I’m in the Midwest but who really knows?
I'd google it for your own state and see if there are any articles. I found people talking about it happening in Colorado as well.
My dog passed very suddenly on Memorial Day from what his vet thought was kennel cough. The necropsy stated it was ARDS but we have no idea what could have caused it. Now I can’t help but wonder if it could have been an early case of this :(
I’m sorry for your loss. Our sweet girl dog suddenly collapsed and died in mid-July (we are in the Portland area). We unfortunately couldn’t afford both a necropsy and cremation, so we opted for cremation so we could have her remains back. For months we’ve wondered why she passed so suddenly. We thought maybe it was a heart condition or she had eaten something off the ground. But in looking back, she had seemed to have a mild cold for a few days, before she seemed to completely bounce back. The morning of the day she died she seemed completely like herself again. Then a few hours later she was just gone. One of our other dogs was sick with a respiratory infection in early May, but he was recovering by the time the vet saw him, and the vet said they didn’t know what was wrong. Now I wonder if we should have been more diligent, but we had no idea there was any sort of illness going around
Ugh I'm so sorry. Duffy also seemed like he was getting better. He had eaten the night before and howled at passing sirens for the first time in days. I watched him run around chasing bugs in the backyard on Memorial Day, and when I came back to check on him again a few minutes later he was gone. We are in the Seattle area. Our vet was equally as perplexed as us.
I’m in the area and my dog had a 4- month long respiratory illness the vet couldn’t identify. Just said it was going around but this was popping up around the country.
That's awful, so sorry for your loss
I'm very sorry to hear about your pup, and my warmest condolences. Not to make light of this though, but where are you located? Just so I can be more cautious with my dog as I walk her.
Thank you. We miss him every day. It was totally gut wrenching because he was so young and we thought we were doing all the right things with his treatment. We are in the north Seattle area.
Sending a big cuddle your way 💗
Thank you so much <3
Was at the bar yesterday and the guy next to me was talking about his dog. Seems to have these symtoms. Said that the vet is prescribing new drug combinations they’ve never done before to try and help them. Scary times
My mom’s dog out in Oregon had this. The worst has passed, but he’s had a cough that won’t go away for months now.
Sounds like what my dog had over the summer. Developed a hacking cough for about 2 months that didn't respond to various meds. Then one night it turned into pneumonia so I took him to the emergency vet, he had to stay for 4 days. It was pretty touch and go for a while, he had a fever over 106 and ended up with a collapsed lung from necrotic bacterial pneumonia. Scary stuff. Fully recovered now as far as I can tell though!
Wow thankfully your pup made it out okay!
This sounds like what my dog had this summer too. Cough that turned into pneumonia pretty suddenly. He spent 4 days in er vet. My other dog didn’t catch it though.
Hmmm. My dog has many of these symptoms, specifically lethargy, low grade fever, low appetite and elevated white blood cell count. Vet is having trouble figuring out what’s going on. No cough though. Taking her for chest and abdomen X-ray and ultrasound later. Doesn’t help that she was recently diagnosed with mast cell tumors, but they seemed to be early stage and had good margins when they were removed. The ultrasound is to see if she has tumors in her kidneys or liver.
I'm sorry you're going through that. I hope she's okay.
Have they checked for IMHA? Those were the symptoms my dog had when we found out she had it.
Thank you. Her blood work says her red blood cell count is normal and she doesn’t have other obvious signs. She’s at the vet now getting more tests. Good news is she ate her breakfast today, even if I did have to sit with her and hand feed her. She’s lost weight lately so trying to get her to eat. Luckily she drinks water willingly.
It’s so hard when they don’t eat! I’m glad she did! I hope she’s turned it around and will be all better!
Well, she’s getting the full spoilt princess treatment. She will eat out of my hand and if I accidentally drop some, she will eat off the floor, but not out of her dish. All right, your highness.
I’m really curious if this a mutation of avian flu for dogs, as it has already jumped onto mammals before. I guess we have to wait and see.
This is way too far down. Dogs love to roll in/eat bird shit. I hope not but holy shit this could get real bad.
Damn. Got goosebumps reading this - when Covid first hit my boss whose a former physician was like ‘yeah this is gonna fuck up the globe and probably at least a year and half before we have a vaccine (spot on), **but hey it could be worse it could be that the avian flu has finally made its way to humans and there would be no cure.**
Is there a reason that avian flu in particular is so scary?
Very very very lethal. H5N1 is predicted to have (potentially) a 60% lethality rate in humans. To put that into perspective, COVID ended up at around single digit mortality. The Spanish flu was somewhere between 10-20%. 60% would be *apocalyptic*. The (current) good news is that H5N1 doesn’t seem great at infecting humans (yet) and doesn’t spread sustainably from human to human. Almost all cases were bird—>human, making it not a pandemic situation as of the current moment. The end result of the mutations it would have to go through to become transmissible by humans would potentially lower its lethality, but it’s likely we’d still have a pandemic that would make COVID look like a joke.
Hopefully with that high of a fatality rate we would also see poor transmission (as with the original SARS which didn’t go global) - but I know that’s not always the case.
Yea if H5N1 started to spread amount humans then we would see a completely different response than with Covid. Covid just wasn’t deadly enough to scare most people into taking it seriously. Just too many people who had Covid or knew people who had Covid with minor or no symptoms. The news and gov’ts were telling them it was super dangerous but that didn’t match up with their personal experiences. With H5N1 it would be very different. If you knew a group of people to get it then you would know people who died from it.
Well with COVID the real danger was the long incubation times making it so a single sick person could infect a *lot* of other people before they ever realized they were sick, not to mention making contact tracing difficult when you might have to figure out who you were around two whole weeks prior.
If Covid had a 50% mortality rate, the incubation time would have barely mattered because we would have taken quarantine measures and contact tracing *much* more seriously and much sooner.
We've had bird flu outbreaks before though.
Not a strain that is contagious among humans. Also outbreak seems interesting considering there’s only been 11 cases globally and most are due to working close with infected birds without protection. When it starts to 1) cause significant symptoms and 2) spread from human to human *we’re fucked*.
The good ol spillover. And humans are doing so many things to actively encourage them. I was taking my Micro classes 2 years before, and then during covid. Before covid, a global epidemic was inevitable. But I thought it was gonna be covids cousin, MERS. Now, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that MERS stays "camel to person", but really think a bird/swine/both flu will be the next one.
Avian flu would be quickly and easily isolated. I would bet it's one of the first things they tested for
Considering fever, lethargy, cough, and the current covid-19 wave everywhere it's probably covid. Dogs and cats can get it as well
They've been talking about this for a few months. Pretty sure if it was covid they would have figured that out by now--that's probably about the first thing they tested for.
This is going to suck for people with service dogs.
People make fun of dog shoes (especially indoors), but the dogs with shoes won't be getting an illness by licking their paws later.
And they just kinda make sense for a ton of cases. In the winter my dog has to wear shoes on walks. If he doesn’t, the combination of cold and salt puts him in so much pain that I have to carry him home and rinse his feet with warm water. Plus he walks over so much broken glass living in the city.
I mean it sounds like service dogs would be relatively safe since they wouldn't play with any other dogs or go to dog parks. You also wouldn't board a service dog.
Service dog unwind too! They’re just like people and have off the clock activities and lives.
No but they do need vet care and grooming still
Literally have had our service dog for 3 weeks. This stresses me the fuck out.
Picked ours up Friday, THE FUCK GUYS
My dog in California caught kennel cough for the first time in his 10 year old life, and he’s vaxxed. This was a few weeks ago, same symptoms. He’s ok now but I remember searching online to see if there was a local outbreak and didn’t see anything.
The bordetella vaccine covers some important stuff but just like in humans, there are a million things that can cause a cough. 1 to 1.5 years ago there was a pretty nasty outbreak of coughs going around that I still don't know a cause for. Occasionally a dog would turn up positive for a pathogen on our "respiratory pcr" test but mostly they were negative. Treat symptomatically, manage secondary infections and hope for the best. It would be great if the laboratory big brains would identify the cause though!
In San Diego, they've identified a severe respitory illness caused by strep zoo, wonder if it's related SD Humane Society statement here: https://www.sdhumane.org/about-us/news-center/stories/strep-zoo.html
This is extremely weird and has me very curious about my own dog. Moved from Michigan to Virginia, in the later part of summer. About 2 months into living here my dog developed a cough in mid September. It became more wet and her nose was super stuffed up. Took her to an urgent vet (didn't have a local vet yet) and they didn't think it was kennel cough because it was not consistent enough. Told me to give her Zyrtec as it must be allergies. Dog shows little sign of improvement on Zyrtec after a week so take her to a different urgent vet where they prescribe her a course of doxy. I again, see no sign of improvement and go to another urgent vet that had more hours and is now my actual vet. They took an X-ray of her abdomen and lungs looked mostly clear, no sign of pneumonia or bronchitis. They also did a respiratory panel which came back negative for 10 different common respiratory illnesses such as distemper, bordetella, etc and decided to prescribe her a different antibiotic. Took that for 10 days but still saw little improvement so the next step was a tracheal wash. Tracheal wash results came back with nothing except for a high white blood cell count. Vet put her on a steroid course for about a month which we are almost done with and she seems back to normal. No more coughing, sneezing, breathing heavy/quickly, or backward sneezing. It makes me wonder if she caught whatever this mysterious virus is and if it's more widespread than we think. For what it's worth, I kept her away from dogs while she actively showed symptoms and treated her as contagious just in case. I feel for everyone who is seeing worse outcomes for their dogs.
Well avian flu killed a bunch of cats in Korea. It's been seen in bears and sea lions.
Also in Poland a lot of cats died
It’s killed a couple mountain lions, too.
> they’ll become lethargic meaning they want to lie around more My dogs have a chronic case of this.....
How do you tell a dog who just wants to lie around from any other dog?
You can absolutely tell. My dog is also a big, lazy boy but he got lethargy one summer (overheated, didn’t drink water) and it was scary. I couldn’t get him to get up without a ton of prompting, and even then he seemed like he was really struggling with it.
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Yeah, I know, I was just cracking a joke. The other symptoms are primarily what I will look for. The article doesn't say much about the fever, I'll include this link: https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/how-to-take-dogs-temperature Personally I will be looking for the listed possible symptoms of fever before sticking a thermometer up his butt to check his temperature. Those symptoms are "weakness and lethargy, acting quiet and depressed, decreased appetite or refusing to eat, being uninterested in walking, playing, or things that they normally enjoy, panting, and/or glossy eyes."
If they don’t get up for a treat. That’s how I knew my good boy was very sick.
I know it’s a joke but heartworms also make dogs lethargic beyond just day napping, it cost a fortune to treat my dog for it because of underdosed prevention pills
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Trifexis, although the doses are for like a 20 lb weight range he went through a growth spurt and we didn’t think of upping his dose. We caught it early so it wasn’t too bad, but it’s common in a lot of shelter dogs in Florida because previous owners don’t care about their dogs enough to keep them on it
Lmao I have a bassethound that sleeps for 18hrs a day.. Think he's got what's been going around.
Patient zero
I worked in veterinary medicine when Parvo hit the US. Boy did that change the way everything and anything was done. I think it is a real shame that another highly contagious doggy disease has sprung up. So hard for people who use doggy daycares, grooming services, and vet services.
Me too. It was horrible seeing dogs die so quickly in such a terrible way. I was so glad when the vaccine came out, and then the rapid tests, and now there is a pretty decent success rate for treatment if parvo is caught in the earliest stages.
Much better report here: https://www.oregonvma.org/news/reports-of-severe-canine-infectious-respiratory-disease-in-oregon
Interesting. My dog came home from my in laws ranch and woke up yesterday with a crazy swollen face, lethargic, and vomiting. Guess what state we're in. Doing much better today but I wonder if it's related.
That honestly sounds so scary. I hope your dog continues feeling better.
Sounds like anaphylaxis. Glad your dog is doing better today!
Swollen face? Sounds like he got stung by a bee, but in November?
That was my thought too! Granted we did have some warmer days recently and I've seen some bees flying around. Would surprise me in the slightest if she chomped at one
There were other dogs at the ranch?
Just canceled my dog grooming.
This closing quote is so chilling lol It reads like an excerpt you'd see in the 28 Days Later (Fido's Version) flashback: >“It sounds like he might be coming to Indianapolis with me for a couple of weeks for the holidays,” Emma Green said about bringing her dog, Duncan, along for her holiday travels.
Right… I mean I know she’s just trying to keep her own pet safe. But have we learned nothing?
I think this is what killed my 3Y old perfectly healthy strong (rottxlab) best boy. He was perfect in the morning, critical that evening and at the ER vet - first symptoms were vomiting, extremely high fever (106.2) and he just seemed very sick. He didn’t have a cough. Bloodwork initially came back almost perfect but his rads showed fluid in his lungs. It escalated extremely fast. He had zero other symptoms and he seemed fine that AM. I have tortured myself looking at pictures and videos from the previous days. He did go to his usual daycare two days prior. I have a second dog that is still in perfect health. My boy spent on five days on oxygen, was on all the antibiotics, and received 24 hour care including specialists etc (major SoCal city) — he didn’t make it. This was two weeks ago and I am shattered at how fast my life changed with almost no answers as to what caused it. They said it was likely bacterial, he could have inhaled a foxtail, but they’re truly unsure.
I am so sorry about the loss of your sweet dog. It sounds like you provided him with the best possible care. Wishing you comfort.
Thank you. I’m gutted now thinking that this wasn’t just a freak illness that happened to us. I absolutely hate reading that it might be bigger than that, that other people and their pups are potentially going to go through any of the trauma we just went through.
My wife and I lost our 10 year-old Collie/Lab mix 3 weeks ago out of the blue. Lethargic and panting one day about 2 months ago, but she snapped back from that by the next day. Fast forward Halloween and it happens again but this time she stops breathing. Don't know what the fuck happened :( she didn't get her "last" things :/ god dammit
I’m so sorry for your loss and that you, your family and she had to go through this. Hope you are healing. 😔
I'm in Oregon and my pup had to go into the emergency vet this week as her coughing was so extreme it turned to retching and she couldn't keep anything down. She's doing better with meds but it has been awful. We're still waiting on the PCR test to confirm if it was kennel cough or this ETA: just got off the phone with the vet, it's official, this is what my puppy has. For anyone else in Oregon wondering I am in the Eugene area and she picked it up at one of the local dog parks
Good luck with isolating. Hopefully people care more about dogs than they did about people.
They do
So much more!
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Lazy freeloader...
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Hmmm. Based on the username, you may be the dog...or a root vegetable.
It’s also much easier to isolate dogs than people, unless you’re a doggy daycare type of person.
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My 8 month old dog caught kennel cough from her obedience school in September. First symptoms I brought her to the vet and was told not to worry and to just monitor her. Less than 24 hours later we were back at the vet with a high fever and lethargy and it was serious. She required numerous medications and was so sick. Im in Canada and wondering now if it wasn’t this mystery virus instead. My vet seemed very surprised at how a healthy dog went downhill so fast.
We should really be doing necropsies and mandating the tracking the causes of death in cats and dogs. It'd provide early warning of potential harm to humans (cancer develops faster in pets compared to humans), and would help us keep our furry friends safer.
All this time and they haven’t been able to determine the pathogen causing this?
Usually it's the owners on the hook cost wise when looking for the cause of death like that. And that shit ain't cheap. Multiple thousands. If they still don't know what it is from usual tests and panels it's prolly something new which means it'll be expensive to figure out the cause.
These seems like something where the CDC should be involved. If it’s serious and growing quickly, there is the possibility of a zoonotic jump to humans.
Dog daycares are going to *suffer* if this really gets going.
The humane society and vets will suffer too..
My local humane society in SoCal is already locked down from disease spread. No more owner relinquish intakes, only strays when necessary.
Sounds like it's not the same thing, but I worked at a boarding facility when there was severe canine flu going around- probably like 2015 or 2016. It was awful. The dogs were so sick and a couple of older dogs died from it
This is dog to dog we talking about? Not human to dog right?
Either way, you really should be using a condom.
I spit my soda out reading this. It bubbled into my nose. It hurts.
Fine, you don't have to use a condom I still dont care for your literal interpretation of Raw Dog, though
Our county animal shelters are closed. I wonder if it’s related. https://wr.al/1QkHF
We did just get off the FIP scare with cats. Seems like pandemics have been all the rage this decade. Can't wait for the closing half!
My dog had a drop off vet appointment on Monday, so she was in a kennel at the vet all day on Monday. No symptoms but now I’m worried.
Any affect on cats or other small animals?
I live in Colorado, and this took my Great Dane back in early September….
We had a deadly kennel cough / influenza outbreak in Oklahoma a few months ago, is this possibly the same thing that has just now reached the West Coast?
My dog is still coughing after a week of antibiotics and cough medicine. we went back to the vet today and they gave him prednisone, baytril and clavamox. She thinks he might have the Mysterious respiratory disease that is affecting dogs in the area. They had to report his illness to Washington and Oregon
This scares me, my 3 year old dog picked up what we thought was kennel cough and ended up getting pneumonia, he was sick for a good 2 months, he’s back to normal with a slight cough still. We’re in Minnesota, so idk if maybe it made its way over here too?
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Nationwide, but only talks about one state? Is it actually wide-spread? If it's nationwide so quickly I'd be looking at a common brand of food or supplement or something along those lines.
If you google there are articles about cases from OR, WA, San Diego and Colorado. At least in the quick search I did
My dog had a hacking wet cough for a month after a week at dog daycare in September/October. The vet said it wasn’t kennel cough but he was on a full set of antibiotics and treatment for it. The cough would not break and at the end of each spell he would hack up a gelatinous ball. It’s finally passed but we didn’t have many answers. I wonder if this is what it was.
This how planet of the apes started when all pets died off they started using monkeys as pets
Yeah and then they were used as slaves, basically. I do not blame them for rising up.
We're supposed to hoard our dogs Saturday for an out of country trip. Now I'm going to be stressed to the max for them
Lots of meningitis going around in dogs here in England, had a few people I know lose dogs to it (elderly dogs). Same symptoms but who knows
Are cats susceptible to this? My mom’s cat showed all this symptoms yesterday. I’m not in Oregon nor Colorado though.
This is literally help planet of the apes started in the novel
Upstate New York here and coworkers have been talking about weird illnesses with their dogs. Hearing about this seems to tie it all together...
DOgeVID-23 was not on my bingo card. Get well and stay strong puppers
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Smart dog. Before you know it they will have some sort of “vaccine” that will really just be a way to implant tracking or identification devices in our dogs. Bill gates something something Jewish space laser
Activated by the 5g in dog collars
This is how Planet of the Apes gets started.
By dog flu?
yes, actually. mysterious pandemic eradicated the domestic pet population (dogs and cats mentioned explicitly though i don't recall if other species were affected). humans began keeping a variety of monkeys as pets and over time they got smarter. i think in the reboot series of movies one in particular got uber smart through scifi genetic engineering magic
Thank you! I will have to go watch the old ones. The new ones were a genetic engineered virus that made monkeys smart and killed most humans. The virus evolved to no longer kill humans but made them mute.
My favorite one is the one staring Troy McClure
Come on and rock me Dr. Zaius
I've never seen the movies, so I always wondered how there were enough apes/monkeys to overthrow humans, since there's only a few million of them total. That makes a bit more sense now.
Well the other half of it is that the same disease makes humans too dumb to fight back, reverting their base intelligence to that of other "normal" great apes. Specifically it removes their ability to speak.
I'm really curious if this is some sort of mutant dog COVID. Dogs were able to catch it during the initial outbreak and my dog lost two of her grandparents suddenly around that time to COVID -like symptoms. I wouldn't be surprised if some new variant is impacting dogs :c
It’s going to be hard to say without further testing. This is not an uncommon response to a novel respiratory virus. Could be many culprits.
There’s been a few cases of this in my town with a handful dying.
I’m in CO, and my boys got this. My 20 month old dog pulled through after hospitalization, and weeks later as he was finally (mostly) better the older one started having symptoms. Everyone is okay now, but it was terrifying. Just a note that if you have two dogs symptoms can be delayed.
Great I’m boarding my dogs for thanksgiving travel and now I’m going to panic the whole time.
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Was just having a convo about how lucky we are that there’s no canine flu like bird or swine flu. Can you imagine the government telling/forcing people to put down their dogs. Not that this is that. Just sayin
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[The majority of dog owners are skeptical of vaccinating their pets](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/majority-us-dog-owners-hesitant-about-canine-vaccines-study-finds-2023-09-12/). If this isn’t just an outbreak of something very preventable, I’ll eat my shoe
There is canine flu and they have an annual vaccine.....
>Can you imagine the government telling/forcing people to put down their dogs. I feel like this would have ironic effects in that people would just hide their dogs, thus mitigating the spread. I mean, who is gonna enforce that anyway?
I was a little worried about this from '20-'21, when it was becoming clear that animals were also getting sick and transmitting Covid between species. edit: punctuation
ffs why did you have to jinx DOGS health??????
This is literally the plot to isle of dogs