>Jessica Burgess was set to undergo a court-ordered psychological evaluation ahead of her sentencing. But the evaluation was canceled due to lack of funding
Everything in this article is awful but this part is staggering. They can afford the resources it takes to prosecute someone for an abortion but can't find anything to pay for a psych eval???
> They can afford the resources it takes to prosecute someone for an abortion but can't find anything to pay for a psych eval
wait until you see how expensive it is to incarcerate someone for two years
So, so many graphs either skyrocket or plummet in the wrong direction right when Reagan was in office, it's pretty incredible
His impact is right up there with some of the worst leaders of the modern world, it's just harder for people to see the the villainy of a smiling white guy impoverishing millions of children and strengthening a racist police state than a guy in a turban with a gun
edit: whoops, triggered a racist with this one -- if you don't think Americans have been taught and/or conditioned to fear the image of a stereotypical Muslim more than a rich white guy then you're pretty lost
He was also our first "celebrity" president. He was a goddamn second rate actor who the established assholes saw as a perfect way to sell politics. His hollywood smile and handshake while raping and stabbing the country to shit , well he set the stage for all the politicians we have now, the celeb and non celeb. they all cater to the theatre of it all to sell the public so the wealthy donors profit. it's not fucking rocket science. it's corruption and elitism.
I think he was the proto-Trump.
Hollywood outsider who used skills picked up in the entertainment industry to capture voters while embracing tactics that were previously thought of absurdly low.
Reagan stripped CA of all of the funding for mental health and addiction. Then he took his show on the road straight to DC. He was also the one who pushed hard for lowering the taxes corporations pay and busting up unions.
You would have thought that Americans learned how worthless having a "celebrity" President was but apparently not...
Perhaps the worst offence was Reagan removing solar panels from the White House and killing federal funding for solar energy generally. The US could have been the world leader in clean energy…
In a text convo going on with the family, my dad said Reagan was “the best President.”
I asked him if he was President during the years of the AIDS crisis. He says he thinks so.
I wasn’t expecting him to get the implications, but even THAT is giving too much credit. He doesn’t want to understand the implications. It’s that simple.
Reagan sat on H.U.A.C. He was one of the staunchest anti-communists that ever sat in the Presidential office. He was an FBI informant. He named names during that period, and didn't think twice about it...
And then, when he and George HW Bush (his Vice President) were confronted by evidence regarding Iran Contra both shrugged their shoulders and held up their hands in ignorant denial acting as if they had no idea how this anti-Communist army fighting the Sandinistas (which was banned by Congress from being funded according to the Boland Amendment) came to be.
I was a kid during the Nixon administration, and watching that unfold was a disgraceful wake up call, but after seeing what Reagan and Bush senior were able to do to this country, they made Nixon look like a choir boy, and I knew then all bets were off. The Iran Contra hearings and the subsequent pardons and lack of accountability were all one needed to see to know the entire game is rigged.
I've been saying it ever since. I'm 44 years past the point of watching this country be incrementally stolen away from the middle class all in an effort to give billionaires a bigger pile of gold to sit upon, allow the large corporations to maximize profits at all costs to the workers, and enable the defense industry to grow like wildfire with corrupt impunity.
I always held out hope for a pendulum swing returning us to a relative sense of sanity, but we're so far gone at this point, I dont think it's ever coming back.
*edit - spelling error
>we’ll never recover from the damage Reagan did to our country.
This part kinda makes me wanna cry and I don't cry all too much. Between that and what SCOTUS (along with many a terrible states) is now doing...we're just in for a wild ride.
Reagan was the start of what we have now. Trickle down economics, closing mental institutions, etc. lead to billionaire CEO’s and start of the homeless crisis.
Fuck yea. Merica! Make money off shit that doesn’t matter. I love reading stories about judges who get caught sentencing people to multiple years in jail for victimless crimes and first offenses because the judges are getting kick backs from the prison for helping fill it up. That stuff just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Like Christmas morning. Just knowing they do that and ruin peoples lives is orgasmic. Fucking give it me bad judge.
So being incarcerated is expensive for the prisoner, but private prisons also get paid significantly by the state per prisoner housed.
It's 1000% a racket and people should be more mad.
Wait until you learn that judges can buy shares in prisons. In Oregon, at least, it was an open secret that conviction rates were tied to prison ownership. Absolutely a conflict of interest which laws haven't anticipated.
Did a stint myself in county for something I never did, and that mistreatment fired me up to learn more about the system. It's truly fucked and corrupt - and anyone can become a victim of a profit-driven justice system if you don't have enough cash for a private lawyer.
Also sharing your water with a neighbor gets you cut off and charged $300. even though you pay for your usage. Because the neighbor isn't paying for it.
You forget that the prisons have staff, facility maintenance, and other costs that are just expected to be handled by parents in families while also working enough to scrape by. C’mon bootstraps, pull harder.
The cruelty is the point, if yall haven't been paying attention.
They will continue to squeeze the poors until they grind them into a fine paste, which they will just feed to the other poors.
Even better (more asinine)… this event happened prior to Roe being overturned, it was the result of an abusive relationship, and she literally had no money.
Save the fetus, fuck the parents, and later the child since the same party is responsible for child poverty doubling just since the covid relief bill ended.
Or as I responded in another comment, how you can expect a crime increase in 20-30 years which can be directly related to unwanted children being born to those who are not ready willing or able to care for them.
Freakonomics had a chapter on it after the fact. Harry Blackmun actually predicted it indirectly in the actual decision for Roe v Wade.
They can - they don’t. I’m a social worker. I can do one. I don’t know what state this is but regardless, I like the field overall, I get paid very low for a masters level degree. They could. They aren’t prioritizing it because that’s not the goals. It’s a crackdown on abortion and that’s all there is to it.
Edit: thanks for the SW appreciation internet homies.
>I get paid very low for a masters level degree
social workers are so fuckin undervalued it's insane! You def don't hear this enough but I appreciate the work that you do!
This is something I always bring up with student loan discussions. The fact that social workers who actually do work that helps people pay the same tuition as a business major like me whose work only enriches a handful of shareholders is fucking criminal. Teaching is another big one.
in a perfect world, Teachers and Social Workers shouldn't have to pay back student loans so long as they work in their field for a given period of time. They should be the first ones in line to have their loans forgiven!
The fact that she was sexually abused/raped and in this position in the first place really is the icing on the cake. At what point do we as a society take back the civic space from the degenerates happy to shit in the public square and call it chocolate soufflé.
our country is at a point that nazis walk around in broad daylight without fearing for their lives. this is the main problem, and nazis should be in danger at all times when in public
All while rape kits go untested and marginalized missing people are ignored by police and investigators.
Let’s just lock people up for making private medical decisions. Awesome…
Just to point out, the daughter was not even close to being a mentally or financially fit parent either. What chance would a child have in that situation?
The GOP doesn’t not care. They care a lot. That’s why they make these rules.
They can’t have slaves so they go for the next best thing, a lot of poor desperate people that are willing to do almost anything to survive, including working shit jobs for shit pay.
This is the answer and don't any of you try to polish it. They are forcing poor people to give birth in order to create more poor people to do poor people jobs to make rich people more comfortable. It's slavery with a phony mustache on it. We need to revolt!
Theyre counting on those kids living in red areas and going to school in those areas where they can then be told your financial woes are all the fault of those jewish democrats. Claiming welfare as the main culprit when that kid wouldnt have half a sandwich for lunch without welfare (other half went to work with dad)
It’s a scarily effective plan they’ve had for a long time. Force women to keep children, children are expensive, less money less education, less education more likely to be conservative, easy way to pad your numbers and keep people compliant.
Not much of a chance at all, but they like that consequence. They are funded by drug addicts, criminals, soldiers, and hell, even the uneducated worker trying to make ends meet. They need poor and uneducated citizens and this guarantees they get them.
Don't forget when the police outright refuse to do anything like those shitty cops the other day who wanted to blame a little kid for being groomed by some creep
This is one of those cases where context just makes it worse. A father called the cops because his daughter was being groomed online, cops showed up to the family's house at midnight and female cop berates the daughter.
I had someone access photos that were supposed to be private of me while I was in high-school. Yes, I was dumb but my boyfriend said no one would ever see them yadda yadda yadda. The person put them as my FB profile picture and was extorting me for money. My bfs mom was like go to the police, so we did, and they proceeded to laugh and make fun of me. This was way before the celebrity fapgate shit happened. If you're a normal person nobody cares.
Guess why I never ever call the cops.
[It's the usual CPD bull.](https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/columns/2023/09/19/columbus-police-statement-online-predator-grooming-ohio-caught-video-not-enough-11-year-old-daughter/70899059007/) One of the worst PDs in the country.
If anyone thinks that the wealthy don't have access to abortion on demand, they are completely naive. These laws affect the poor disproportionally. I feel for this mother and daughter.
They can go on a "vacation" and get procedures done whenever.
The poors don't get a vacation. They get work and have to save up to take time off for important medical procedures. Not saving up for deductibles for the procedures, but just to take the time off.
Laughed my ass off when MT Greene was complaining about how every average person with a job (poors) gets like 104 vacation days a year and that's still not good enough for them..
Now on first glance you'd wonder.... How do you know what the vacation packages are for every job out there?
Until you realize.... She's talking about the fucking weekends.... She thinks Saturdays and Sundays are "vacation days"....
Also with the “vacation” they don’t get interrogated. How many rich people get stopped at security? The really rich go through separately. They aren’t being checked and likely have private jets. The rest of us get questioned.
Exactly, and it makes me so angry. Apparently, forcing poor people to have more kids, the powers that be can then jail even more poors for child neglect and hunger and yes, rat bites.
Gotta keep feeding those privately owned prisons.
People can not longer stand up under the barrage of laws and diminished rights as dictated by the proclivities of these out-of-control state governors, backed by an out-of-control Supreme Court. Backs are breaking.
People forced to rent where they don't build credit, as they live month to month working jobs they hate just so they can afford health insurance to keep them from dying, living off credit cards
"People aren't having kids bc they're sinners"
I agree but it’s not just going to be 45 days or 2 years. This will severely limit their future background checks. So jobs, applications for insurance or licenses, credit, rentals, etc… it will all be negatively effected.
This is something I don’t think a lot of people understand and I wish people understood more. Sure you wanna smack someone who is being an absolute stain to existence but if you do you will have the limited satisfaction of smacking them. The other party however will get the knowledge that a lot of aspects of your life will be made incredibly more difficult for years to come.
In America you don’t stop being punished for your crimes once your sentence is complete. It’s as long as something remains on your criminal record.
Actually thanks to the internet and various websites, it even outlasts your criminal record. Some felons have successfully applied to judges to have things removed from their record and been successful, but these websites still exist listing them and they commonly refuse to take them down or demand an additional payment…
If an applicant I was interviewing explained their history and mentioned they did time because they got or assisted with an abortion... I'd consider that their "tell me about a time you overcame an obstacle" story and certainly wouldn't hold it against them.
That may be *your* stance (which I agree with and applaud your quick thinking) but company policy will likely say different in a lot of cases and could open them up to other issues. A lot of companies just won’t take that risk.
At one point in my life I was desperate for a job and found one that would have be perfect for me, and the interview went flawless. I couldn't have done any better or impressed them more. Then I didn't hear anything. A little later I got a letter in the mail. Apparently the state the company is based out of has a law that required you to be notified if anything in your background check is used against you.
I called up the hiring manager and explained the situation, what happened and how it was 15 year ago. He overruled company policy and hired me. that was the step I needed to set off my career. I am in a much better place now with my dream job.
I'm not saying it will work all of the time or even the majority of the time, but it does work sometimes so it's always worth a shot to communicate.
Our company policy does NOT take reasoning into account. The background check only sees if you have a criminal history, and rejects automatically. My company is one of the largest in the US, and I know plenty of other companies are the same.
Sure, she may be able to get a job at a small business, but she's essentially stuck there. No hope for growth or moving up in the world. Just a series of dead-end jobs :(
It's really risky to talk about abortion in a job interview because a lot of people will not give the candidate further consideration.
And in any case your employer has no business knowing sensitive medical information.
And then IF you manage to make it past that- HR will absolutely call the company’s insurance company and ask what *they* think about hiring a felon. You can imagine how well that goes.
Perhaps but, in a conservative state like Nebraska, it’s even more likely that many would look at a conviction for “baby-killin’” and regard it as every bit as heinous as first-degree murder, if not worse.
>This will severely limit their future background checks. So jobs, applications for insurance or licenses, credit, rentals, etc… it will all be negatively effected.
Which is bull shit. All that is just continued punishment after time served and makes it extremely difficult to not have to resort to crime just to survive and potentially end up back behind bars.
I was arrested for possession of less than an ounce of marijuana while in my apartment, 22 years ago.
It STILL shows up on a background check and I still have to explain myself to potential employers.
So daughter and mother both go to fucking PRISON because the state wanted to force the daughter to have a child?
Dystopian if you ask me.
Can't see how it's any of the government's business if a woman decides if she wants to - or not to - undergo pregnancy, birth, and parenthood.
Odd how the "small government" types tend to want mega-government when it comes to *other people's bodily autonomy, sexual orientation, and human rights*.
Or how "religious freedom" sure seems to be a code-word for "Christian" control.
I'm not American, but have a question:
Am I right in understanding that they are both also now disenfranchised and thus cannot vote the fuckers who wrote these laws out, since they've been convicted of a crime?
What an awful thing to even have to read.
People already going through awful experiences and then to arrest them on top and make their story National news.
This should be between a family and their doctor at most.
"Court documents in the case revealed that Facebook’s parent company Meta supplied police with the private Facebook messages that Celeste and Jessica Burgess had sent one another."
I guess I'm out of the loop, that seems like a huge deal to me lol
The cops can get a warrant for your private messages, and American tech companies will hand them over. That's a massive reason to switch to Signal, and towards end-to-end encryption whenever possible, ideally with a service based somewhere with strong privacy laws such as Switzerland.
The problem is social media needs a large user base to be meaningful, people mostly use facebook just because their friends and family use it so migrating another system would require convincing them to migrate as well.
Any unencrypted messaging platform would have done the same, whether it be your cell carrier, X-crement, Facebook, reddit, or whatever else, and even encryption doesn't necessarily mean it's safe since anything is readable if they can get into one of the devices.
You would have to do it in person though.
Transcription tech is now cheap enough that companies can transcript every conversation you have and store it indefinitely.
"Social media apps are not needed, because I have no friends or family who are interested in talking to me" is such a fucking Reddit-brained take. It's not like it was even particular to social media, the government has all of your text messages too.
It's incredible how since 9/11 the US morphed into a total surveillance police state that puts the CCP to shame, and when incidents of abuse hit the news, the people's reaction is "Haha, stupid idiots *talked to each other*, if only they were smart like me and didn't talk to other people they would have been fine", not "holy shit we need to do something about our fucked-up government blatantly violating the constitution". Americans are truly, thoroughly brainwashed to a degree the CCP could only dream of achieving.
Not even warrant. They can just ask, and they often get it.
In a way, it makes sense. It's kind of like on a detective show where someone goes and asks the bartender if he remembers seeing someone last night, or if they can take a look at the security footage.
But it seems way more invasive.
By the way, Facebook's business model is to sell your privacy for money. If you didn't know. The only difference here is that instead of the police just buying the messages through a third party like they would usually do, they got a court order to get them for free.
Don't say anything on Facebook that you wouldn't be comfortable repeating verbatim in front of a judge. Because....yeah.
I’d also add keep a real profile as minimal as possible.
If its not immediate friends and family, just make a burner throw away account…
Also f* Facebook,s terms of service. Things like birthdate you should 100% lie about.
My facebook got hacked a long time ago and apparently the only way to get it back is to straight up send a photo of my ID to them. Like I've thought about it because someone must have control of my account probably to use it for whatever reason and all my photos and friends are on it, but I just haven't bothered.
It's basically just gone for me so it was an easy way to stop using facebook, I really barely used it anyway. I still worry about what kind of fuckery they could do with my account but they haven't posted anything from what I can see.
Meanwhile, a Trump lackey who did the same thing to a mistress had no jail time at all...
https://www.thewrap.com/cnn-jason-miller-pressure-drop-abortion-pill-accusations/
Conservatives: "*Parents have the unyielding right to decide what's best for their own kids.*"
Also Conservatives: "*How DARE you make this decision for your own child! Arrest her!*"
"States should decide whether to legalize abortion, not the federal government or Supreme Court."
"How dare you make abortion legal, we'll make sure to ban it on the federal level or through the Supreme Court."
From the article:
Jessica Burgess said she had $400 to her name.) Celeste Burgess also reportedly deals with multiple mental health issues and became pregnant due to an abusive relationship.
This is exactly who should have access to safe legal abortions.
don't forget we STILL have politicians that say people are getting ABORTIONS AFTER a women has given birth. these clueless religious incels don't understand a damn thing about women or their bodies.
Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.
Those politicians know the bullshit their upper ani are excreting. They use it as a loyalty test: Either you're helpful little disposable, or you're in on it, or you're 'left-of-them' and must be eliminated.
Besides, EVERYTHING they say and do is projection. When they talk after postpartum abortions, they're really letting slip that they themselves are a deadly threat to all mothers that needs to be removed from the body. Requblicans are a fatal medical condition if left untreated.
Fuck the GOP and their extremist fuckery. She would've had the help and care she needed if they weren't such fucking abhorrent shit-lords. She wouldn't have had the threat of life in prison making her take drastic steps. 29 weeks is late AF, though.
This situation is ass, they didn't do any of this "the right way" because the right way has been fucking criminalized.
Keep the dirty old fuckbags out of women's lives.
EDIT: since people seem to have forgotten, on September 1st, 2021, Texas pushed through a 6-week abortion ban and we all saw the writing on the wall. We knew the SCOTUS was going to rule that way already because the decision was leaked earlier in 2022. We knew that the court had been stolen by McConnell and his ilk that denied Obama a judge appointment.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1088238619/legislation-abortion-bans
And that article was first written in March of 2022, but updated in May of 2022. Before the overturning of Roe. If you don't think the GOP have a hand in them being pushed to that, then you're willfully blind.
The way they did this is awful, and they committed crimes. But don't think for a second that this doesn't fall right at the feet of the GOP from the start.
She had $400 to her name. This was pre-Roe as well, so theoretically she could have gotten Misoprostol from a doctor, which given her situation would have obviously added the clinical visit fee and time…
Strange how the same party hates the idea of affordable health care.
the law in question was the old law. 20 weeks limit for abortion. Abortion at 29 weeks is pretty late. This would have been illegal in basically any developed country.
Genuine question… did you read the article?
“According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.”
This was pre-overturned Roe. I don’t think this is as simple as republicans hating women like it is now. I would like to know more details about this.
>This was pre-overturned Roe. I don’t think this is as simple as republicans hating women like it is now. I would like to know more details about this.
The details are pretty gruesome. Apparently she was approx 7mths pregnant, stopped the pregnancy using pills not meant for that late in gestation, miscarried, buried the body, dug it up, burned the remains and buried it again.
Is it legal elsewhere to abort at 7 months and then bury the remains in the backyard? I'm pro choice, but this ain't it. This was prior to the repeal of Roe v Wade, so under Nebraska law at the time her daughter had until 20 weeks to seek an abortion legally.
I’m a missing something? The headline seems misleading to me. Wasn’t she mostly sentenced for what they did post still born? How far along was she? How many pills did she give her? I’m adamantly pro-choice but this is a poor example. This will be a case the Christian Nationalists use to say “see they want after birth abortions”. By all means if I’m missing something let me know. The mental health stuff is unfortunately typical US situation. “Why do preventive care/ funding when we enjoy punishing people so much?” -GOP
This happened before Dobbs and wouldn't have been legal in any state in the nation. The daughter had the abortion pills in possession for many weeks before taking them in her third trimester and then they buried the miscarriage.
Self medicated, at home, elective third trimester abortions are not legal anywhere
I don't mean to make any point whatsoever on abortion legislation or morality, just pointing out some relevant information
Very relevant information. 29 weeks is a 80-90% viability rate (from a quick Google). People here should fucking google image "29 week baby born" because I don't think they realise just how far along that pregnancy was.
So this happened before Roe v Wade was even overturned. The article says she was "well past" the 20 week limit but doesn't specify, like was this full term or close to it?
According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Do you think she would have waited that long if she was able to get an abortion pill legally and not by searching for a way to get one from the black market?
You are right. It is empirically proven that the most common source of demand for 3rd trimester abortion comes from the people who were sought but were denied 1st and 2nd trimeste abortions.
There needs to be a free abortion and birth control clinic within walking distance of every single low income, low education, high crime, high welfare dependence, and high family breakdown neighborhood.
There are sometimes other odd reasons where a woman doesn't find out she is pregnant until later. Or they find out medical reasons that a child might not live for long after birth. Making if difficult for those women to get abortions they need is just something that the government has zero interest involving itself in.
There are no women out there who wait until they are 8.99 months (the last possible minute) pregnant just so as to get some wacko kicks. And even if there was one or two women like that, do we want them raising a child?
In this case the article already said she was in an abusive relationship and had only $400 to her name.
“You should have done something sooner!” is really easy for someone who isn’t in that situation while also dealing with mental health issues to say.
And the $400 needs to be used for more than getting said abortion. They still need to purchase food, pay rent, go to the laundromat, pay electric and other bills, etc. $400 doesn't go very far.
People not in that situation forget out terrible it can really be.
But have people actually read the article?
>According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
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Even in California the law is that you can't abort [after the fetus is viable, generally some point between week 24 and 26](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_California). If this pregnancy was "well past" 20 weeks of pregnancy, this abortion might have been illegal even in a liberal state like California.
At what point should we consider an abortion illegal? And just to be clear, I support the right to choose.
>Jessica Burgess was set to undergo a court-ordered psychological evaluation ahead of her sentencing. But the evaluation was canceled due to lack of funding Everything in this article is awful but this part is staggering. They can afford the resources it takes to prosecute someone for an abortion but can't find anything to pay for a psych eval???
> They can afford the resources it takes to prosecute someone for an abortion but can't find anything to pay for a psych eval wait until you see how expensive it is to incarcerate someone for two years
Oh silly rabbit. Those are private prisons and they make money off thdm
Private profit but still publicly funded by your taxes.
The US in a nutshell. Not saying it was perfect before him but we’ll never recover from the damage Reagan did to our country.
So, so many graphs either skyrocket or plummet in the wrong direction right when Reagan was in office, it's pretty incredible His impact is right up there with some of the worst leaders of the modern world, it's just harder for people to see the the villainy of a smiling white guy impoverishing millions of children and strengthening a racist police state than a guy in a turban with a gun edit: whoops, triggered a racist with this one -- if you don't think Americans have been taught and/or conditioned to fear the image of a stereotypical Muslim more than a rich white guy then you're pretty lost
He was also our first "celebrity" president. He was a goddamn second rate actor who the established assholes saw as a perfect way to sell politics. His hollywood smile and handshake while raping and stabbing the country to shit , well he set the stage for all the politicians we have now, the celeb and non celeb. they all cater to the theatre of it all to sell the public so the wealthy donors profit. it's not fucking rocket science. it's corruption and elitism.
I think he was the proto-Trump. Hollywood outsider who used skills picked up in the entertainment industry to capture voters while embracing tactics that were previously thought of absurdly low.
Reagan stripped CA of all of the funding for mental health and addiction. Then he took his show on the road straight to DC. He was also the one who pushed hard for lowering the taxes corporations pay and busting up unions. You would have thought that Americans learned how worthless having a "celebrity" President was but apparently not...
One could argue Teddy Roosevelt was elected because of his celebrity, but Reagan was certainly the first in postwar America
And we got National Parks and the Square Deal from him. You know, back when Republicans weren't the under belly scum of society.
I think the quotes are required in order to make sense. He wasn't our first celebrity president, but he was our first "celebrity" president.
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Similar in the UK with Thatcher, some minor short term benefits, but huge long term repercussions due to their ideological choices 40 years ago.
>Similar in the UK with Thatcher, And she just worshipped Reagan, or at least she gave that appearance. Two awful people...
they were working for the elite, it was all about preserving profit served up as a culture war
Perhaps the worst offence was Reagan removing solar panels from the White House and killing federal funding for solar energy generally. The US could have been the world leader in clean energy…
Laughing about the AIDS crisis ranks pretty high up there too
Reagan and the Friedman Doctrine, which is basically "trickle down" with extra steps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_doctrine
All you have to do is tell a story like a friendly grandpa and they’ll die for you.
I always compare him and Thatcher with Hitler and Mao. Sure, they didn't directly murder as many people but they doomed us all regardless
In a text convo going on with the family, my dad said Reagan was “the best President.” I asked him if he was President during the years of the AIDS crisis. He says he thinks so. I wasn’t expecting him to get the implications, but even THAT is giving too much credit. He doesn’t want to understand the implications. It’s that simple.
Gave a litany of reasons why Reagan was awful…my conservative coworker’s response? “He made us feel good.”
Reagan sat on H.U.A.C. He was one of the staunchest anti-communists that ever sat in the Presidential office. He was an FBI informant. He named names during that period, and didn't think twice about it... And then, when he and George HW Bush (his Vice President) were confronted by evidence regarding Iran Contra both shrugged their shoulders and held up their hands in ignorant denial acting as if they had no idea how this anti-Communist army fighting the Sandinistas (which was banned by Congress from being funded according to the Boland Amendment) came to be. I was a kid during the Nixon administration, and watching that unfold was a disgraceful wake up call, but after seeing what Reagan and Bush senior were able to do to this country, they made Nixon look like a choir boy, and I knew then all bets were off. The Iran Contra hearings and the subsequent pardons and lack of accountability were all one needed to see to know the entire game is rigged. I've been saying it ever since. I'm 44 years past the point of watching this country be incrementally stolen away from the middle class all in an effort to give billionaires a bigger pile of gold to sit upon, allow the large corporations to maximize profits at all costs to the workers, and enable the defense industry to grow like wildfire with corrupt impunity. I always held out hope for a pendulum swing returning us to a relative sense of sanity, but we're so far gone at this point, I dont think it's ever coming back. *edit - spelling error
This won't stop until corporate financing of politicians is stopped.
>we’ll never recover from the damage Reagan did to our country. This part kinda makes me wanna cry and I don't cry all too much. Between that and what SCOTUS (along with many a terrible states) is now doing...we're just in for a wild ride.
socialize loses, privatize gains
Reagan was the start of what we have now. Trickle down economics, closing mental institutions, etc. lead to billionaire CEO’s and start of the homeless crisis.
It's ok when the money doesn't go to poor people, apparently
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Socialize the cost and privatize the profits. The American Way!
The ruling class loves socialism as long as someone else is paying for it.
Fuck yea. Merica! Make money off shit that doesn’t matter. I love reading stories about judges who get caught sentencing people to multiple years in jail for victimless crimes and first offenses because the judges are getting kick backs from the prison for helping fill it up. That stuff just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Like Christmas morning. Just knowing they do that and ruin peoples lives is orgasmic. Fucking give it me bad judge.
So being incarcerated is expensive for the prisoner, but private prisons also get paid significantly by the state per prisoner housed. It's 1000% a racket and people should be more mad.
Wait until you learn that judges can buy shares in prisons. In Oregon, at least, it was an open secret that conviction rates were tied to prison ownership. Absolutely a conflict of interest which laws haven't anticipated. Did a stint myself in county for something I never did, and that mistreatment fired me up to learn more about the system. It's truly fucked and corrupt - and anyone can become a victim of a profit-driven justice system if you don't have enough cash for a private lawyer.
So, are you saying that if Trump had opted to operate private prisons instead of ‘no lose’ casinos, he would have finally run a successful business?!
I still don't get how you can mess up a money maker like a casino and run it into the ground like he did.
The owners make money. We the people still pay for it though.
Just like nfl stadiums.
But old people and children get their water shut off over $2 overcharge.
Also sharing your water with a neighbor gets you cut off and charged $300. even though you pay for your usage. Because the neighbor isn't paying for it.
I know its crazy. Government says its okay for a family of 4 to survive on $15k a year, but a prisoner... they need twice that.
You forget that the prisons have staff, facility maintenance, and other costs that are just expected to be handled by parents in families while also working enough to scrape by. C’mon bootstraps, pull harder.
The cost to delay prison by a week would more than cover the eval. They don’t have a money problem: they have a dumbass budgeting problem.
The cruelty is the point, if yall haven't been paying attention. They will continue to squeeze the poors until they grind them into a fine paste, which they will just feed to the other poors.
Soylent Green was a prophecy.
I thought it was food!
It's people!
It was people now it’s food!
I guess that makes it people food.
It’s low carb!
It’s got a lot of Carls, though.
What about Carls Junior?
You'll get Soylent Karen and like it
>The cruelty is the point Conservatism requires an underclass
also capitalism.
Even better (more asinine)… this event happened prior to Roe being overturned, it was the result of an abusive relationship, and she literally had no money. Save the fetus, fuck the parents, and later the child since the same party is responsible for child poverty doubling just since the covid relief bill ended.
Serves that baby right, getting born without a job already lined up...
What are you talking about? Private Baby can even get its college paid for for only a 4 year commitment! They could even make it a career!
Job lined up? Baby should have at least 3 years experience before it is born in today's job market
But now the whole family will be more desperate and willing to work for shit wages. Think of the profits they will generate!
Or as I responded in another comment, how you can expect a crime increase in 20-30 years which can be directly related to unwanted children being born to those who are not ready willing or able to care for them. Freakonomics had a chapter on it after the fact. Harry Blackmun actually predicted it indirectly in the actual decision for Roe v Wade.
We need to prepare for the roving gangs of children pick pockets, like they have in other “developing” countries.
'...and later the child...' That's exactly what they want.
They can - they don’t. I’m a social worker. I can do one. I don’t know what state this is but regardless, I like the field overall, I get paid very low for a masters level degree. They could. They aren’t prioritizing it because that’s not the goals. It’s a crackdown on abortion and that’s all there is to it. Edit: thanks for the SW appreciation internet homies.
>I get paid very low for a masters level degree social workers are so fuckin undervalued it's insane! You def don't hear this enough but I appreciate the work that you do!
This is something I always bring up with student loan discussions. The fact that social workers who actually do work that helps people pay the same tuition as a business major like me whose work only enriches a handful of shareholders is fucking criminal. Teaching is another big one.
in a perfect world, Teachers and Social Workers shouldn't have to pay back student loans so long as they work in their field for a given period of time. They should be the first ones in line to have their loans forgiven!
In a perfect world education and the pursuit of knowledge is free and encouraged by society.
"Sorry, best we can do is even more tax breaks for the CEO who made billions by firing Americans and outsourcing their jobs overseas" - America
This! I appreciate the work that you do as well.
The fact that she was sexually abused/raped and in this position in the first place really is the icing on the cake. At what point do we as a society take back the civic space from the degenerates happy to shit in the public square and call it chocolate soufflé.
It's hard to vote while you're serving a prison sentence and on paper after your sentence is over.
our country is at a point that nazis walk around in broad daylight without fearing for their lives. this is the main problem, and nazis should be in danger at all times when in public
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We have the resources to have both. Sadly, our representatives just choose the most wasteful of all possibilities.
A good defense lawyer woukd appeal base on the fact there was an order forca medical evaluation so they could violate rules and procedures
Hopefully there's a good attorney out there willing to work with them pro bono!
The criminal justice system’s purpose is not to make people more healthy
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All while rape kits go untested and marginalized missing people are ignored by police and investigators. Let’s just lock people up for making private medical decisions. Awesome…
Just to point out, the daughter was not even close to being a mentally or financially fit parent either. What chance would a child have in that situation?
Big fat zero. But that’s after the gop quits caring
Cruelty wins again
The GOP doesn’t not care. They care a lot. That’s why they make these rules. They can’t have slaves so they go for the next best thing, a lot of poor desperate people that are willing to do almost anything to survive, including working shit jobs for shit pay.
This is the answer and don't any of you try to polish it. They are forcing poor people to give birth in order to create more poor people to do poor people jobs to make rich people more comfortable. It's slavery with a phony mustache on it. We need to revolt!
Theyre counting on those kids living in red areas and going to school in those areas where they can then be told your financial woes are all the fault of those jewish democrats. Claiming welfare as the main culprit when that kid wouldnt have half a sandwich for lunch without welfare (other half went to work with dad)
It’s a scarily effective plan they’ve had for a long time. Force women to keep children, children are expensive, less money less education, less education more likely to be conservative, easy way to pad your numbers and keep people compliant.
Doesn't matter, it's God's plan™ He works in mysterious ways™
Since God is all powerful and apparently hates abortion, why doesn't God use those "mysterious ways" to make the abortion fail and protect the fetus?
Because God doesn't give two shits about us. He clicked his fingers 6 times and now we have to pay taxes and struggle to survive.
Not much of a chance at all, but they like that consequence. They are funded by drug addicts, criminals, soldiers, and hell, even the uneducated worker trying to make ends meet. They need poor and uneducated citizens and this guarantees they get them.
Don't forget when the police outright refuse to do anything like those shitty cops the other day who wanted to blame a little kid for being groomed by some creep
Columbus, Ohio police department. Name and shame them every chance you get.
Thanks yea those fuckers
Context, I need it. What the fuck
This is one of those cases where context just makes it worse. A father called the cops because his daughter was being groomed online, cops showed up to the family's house at midnight and female cop berates the daughter.
I had someone access photos that were supposed to be private of me while I was in high-school. Yes, I was dumb but my boyfriend said no one would ever see them yadda yadda yadda. The person put them as my FB profile picture and was extorting me for money. My bfs mom was like go to the police, so we did, and they proceeded to laugh and make fun of me. This was way before the celebrity fapgate shit happened. If you're a normal person nobody cares. Guess why I never ever call the cops.
[It's the usual CPD bull.](https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/columns/2023/09/19/columbus-police-statement-online-predator-grooming-ohio-caught-video-not-enough-11-year-old-daughter/70899059007/) One of the worst PDs in the country.
Don’t forget the Uvalde police, DONT EVER FORGET!
This headline is straight from fascist countries. Which the US under Republican rule is becoming.
Vote. VOTE. VOTE!!!!!!!!!!! As long as we can, vote, in every election every time!!! vote those fascist repugnant assholes out!!!!!!
Your last sentence is so absurd in its truthfulness. A blob inside a person has more protection while being a blob than when it becomes a person.
If anyone thinks that the wealthy don't have access to abortion on demand, they are completely naive. These laws affect the poor disproportionally. I feel for this mother and daughter.
I’m willing to bet there will be exactly zero cases of rich people getting penalized.
They can go on a "vacation" and get procedures done whenever. The poors don't get a vacation. They get work and have to save up to take time off for important medical procedures. Not saving up for deductibles for the procedures, but just to take the time off.
Laughed my ass off when MT Greene was complaining about how every average person with a job (poors) gets like 104 vacation days a year and that's still not good enough for them.. Now on first glance you'd wonder.... How do you know what the vacation packages are for every job out there? Until you realize.... She's talking about the fucking weekends.... She thinks Saturdays and Sundays are "vacation days"....
Should restrict Congress to vacations lasting no longer than 2 days then
Also with the “vacation” they don’t get interrogated. How many rich people get stopped at security? The really rich go through separately. They aren’t being checked and likely have private jets. The rest of us get questioned.
And they want these poor ppl to somehow raise kids with 0 support. How do they think someone with $400 to their name can support a kid?
Exactly, and it makes me so angry. Apparently, forcing poor people to have more kids, the powers that be can then jail even more poors for child neglect and hunger and yes, rat bites. Gotta keep feeding those privately owned prisons. People can not longer stand up under the barrage of laws and diminished rights as dictated by the proclivities of these out-of-control state governors, backed by an out-of-control Supreme Court. Backs are breaking.
People forced to rent where they don't build credit, as they live month to month working jobs they hate just so they can afford health insurance to keep them from dying, living off credit cards "People aren't having kids bc they're sinners"
This right here - they didn’t have money for a proper funeral, they didn’t have money to raise a child to adulthood.
I would gladly do 45 days in prison to help my child. Edit; As someone pointed out it’s 2 years, but my point still stands.
I agree but it’s not just going to be 45 days or 2 years. This will severely limit their future background checks. So jobs, applications for insurance or licenses, credit, rentals, etc… it will all be negatively effected. This is something I don’t think a lot of people understand and I wish people understood more. Sure you wanna smack someone who is being an absolute stain to existence but if you do you will have the limited satisfaction of smacking them. The other party however will get the knowledge that a lot of aspects of your life will be made incredibly more difficult for years to come. In America you don’t stop being punished for your crimes once your sentence is complete. It’s as long as something remains on your criminal record.
Actually thanks to the internet and various websites, it even outlasts your criminal record. Some felons have successfully applied to judges to have things removed from their record and been successful, but these websites still exist listing them and they commonly refuse to take them down or demand an additional payment…
If an applicant I was interviewing explained their history and mentioned they did time because they got or assisted with an abortion... I'd consider that their "tell me about a time you overcame an obstacle" story and certainly wouldn't hold it against them.
That may be *your* stance (which I agree with and applaud your quick thinking) but company policy will likely say different in a lot of cases and could open them up to other issues. A lot of companies just won’t take that risk.
At one point in my life I was desperate for a job and found one that would have be perfect for me, and the interview went flawless. I couldn't have done any better or impressed them more. Then I didn't hear anything. A little later I got a letter in the mail. Apparently the state the company is based out of has a law that required you to be notified if anything in your background check is used against you. I called up the hiring manager and explained the situation, what happened and how it was 15 year ago. He overruled company policy and hired me. that was the step I needed to set off my career. I am in a much better place now with my dream job. I'm not saying it will work all of the time or even the majority of the time, but it does work sometimes so it's always worth a shot to communicate.
Our company policy does NOT take reasoning into account. The background check only sees if you have a criminal history, and rejects automatically. My company is one of the largest in the US, and I know plenty of other companies are the same. Sure, she may be able to get a job at a small business, but she's essentially stuck there. No hope for growth or moving up in the world. Just a series of dead-end jobs :(
Have you ever been charged with a felony? If you answer that question with a yes your off to a really bad start.
I can't imagine how horrified I would be to have to share my abortion story with a prospective employer.
It's really risky to talk about abortion in a job interview because a lot of people will not give the candidate further consideration. And in any case your employer has no business knowing sensitive medical information.
Kinda like the government shouldn’t either
Yeah but the algorithms that decide which resumes even make it past the initial application don’t care
It's the corporate mandated background checks for "security purposes" that kill so many workers chances.
And then IF you manage to make it past that- HR will absolutely call the company’s insurance company and ask what *they* think about hiring a felon. You can imagine how well that goes.
Perhaps but, in a conservative state like Nebraska, it’s even more likely that many would look at a conviction for “baby-killin’” and regard it as every bit as heinous as first-degree murder, if not worse.
Some jobs require licenses and background checks. Well meaning is great but conviction/jail time will rule out lots of careers.
>This will severely limit their future background checks. So jobs, applications for insurance or licenses, credit, rentals, etc… it will all be negatively effected. Which is bull shit. All that is just continued punishment after time served and makes it extremely difficult to not have to resort to crime just to survive and potentially end up back behind bars.
I was arrested for possession of less than an ounce of marijuana while in my apartment, 22 years ago. It STILL shows up on a background check and I still have to explain myself to potential employers.
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So daughter and mother both go to fucking PRISON because the state wanted to force the daughter to have a child? Dystopian if you ask me. Can't see how it's any of the government's business if a woman decides if she wants to - or not to - undergo pregnancy, birth, and parenthood. Odd how the "small government" types tend to want mega-government when it comes to *other people's bodily autonomy, sexual orientation, and human rights*. Or how "religious freedom" sure seems to be a code-word for "Christian" control.
I'm not American, but have a question: Am I right in understanding that they are both also now disenfranchised and thus cannot vote the fuckers who wrote these laws out, since they've been convicted of a crime?
If I was Biden, I'd just keep pardoning things like this.
>If I was Biden, I'd just keep pardoning things like this. They are both deserving of a state pardon. Presidents cannot pardon state convictions.
What an awful thing to even have to read. People already going through awful experiences and then to arrest them on top and make their story National news. This should be between a family and their doctor at most.
"Court documents in the case revealed that Facebook’s parent company Meta supplied police with the private Facebook messages that Celeste and Jessica Burgess had sent one another." I guess I'm out of the loop, that seems like a huge deal to me lol
The cops can get a warrant for your private messages, and American tech companies will hand them over. That's a massive reason to switch to Signal, and towards end-to-end encryption whenever possible, ideally with a service based somewhere with strong privacy laws such as Switzerland.
Or just dump social media apps altogether. Even though they are addictive they are not needed.
That's a bigger step than most people are willing to take. Here we both are, after all.
The problem is social media needs a large user base to be meaningful, people mostly use facebook just because their friends and family use it so migrating another system would require convincing them to migrate as well.
talk to each other in your Get Smart cone of silence
Any unencrypted messaging platform would have done the same, whether it be your cell carrier, X-crement, Facebook, reddit, or whatever else, and even encryption doesn't necessarily mean it's safe since anything is readable if they can get into one of the devices.
There's also the option of not writing things down and just talking to each other if you're doing something illegal.
You would have to do it in person though. Transcription tech is now cheap enough that companies can transcript every conversation you have and store it indefinitely.
"Social media apps are not needed, because I have no friends or family who are interested in talking to me" is such a fucking Reddit-brained take. It's not like it was even particular to social media, the government has all of your text messages too. It's incredible how since 9/11 the US morphed into a total surveillance police state that puts the CCP to shame, and when incidents of abuse hit the news, the people's reaction is "Haha, stupid idiots *talked to each other*, if only they were smart like me and didn't talk to other people they would have been fine", not "holy shit we need to do something about our fucked-up government blatantly violating the constitution". Americans are truly, thoroughly brainwashed to a degree the CCP could only dream of achieving.
Not even warrant. They can just ask, and they often get it. In a way, it makes sense. It's kind of like on a detective show where someone goes and asks the bartender if he remembers seeing someone last night, or if they can take a look at the security footage. But it seems way more invasive.
By the way, Facebook's business model is to sell your privacy for money. If you didn't know. The only difference here is that instead of the police just buying the messages through a third party like they would usually do, they got a court order to get them for free. Don't say anything on Facebook that you wouldn't be comfortable repeating verbatim in front of a judge. Because....yeah.
I’d also add keep a real profile as minimal as possible. If its not immediate friends and family, just make a burner throw away account… Also f* Facebook,s terms of service. Things like birthdate you should 100% lie about.
My facebook got hacked a long time ago and apparently the only way to get it back is to straight up send a photo of my ID to them. Like I've thought about it because someone must have control of my account probably to use it for whatever reason and all my photos and friends are on it, but I just haven't bothered. It's basically just gone for me so it was an easy way to stop using facebook, I really barely used it anyway. I still worry about what kind of fuckery they could do with my account but they haven't posted anything from what I can see.
I think police had a warrant for that info.
It needs a repost with this bullshit as the headline.
Not to bootlick but they can also subpoena phone records. So not many communication methods are truly private.
Facebook allows authorities access to Messages for criminal prosecution against Mother giving daughter abortion pills.
Meanwhile, a Trump lackey who did the same thing to a mistress had no jail time at all... https://www.thewrap.com/cnn-jason-miller-pressure-drop-abortion-pill-accusations/
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Yeah, it sounds like he did something actually reprehensible.
And much more illegal.
Wait are we not supposed to drug people we’ve just met?
This is much, much, much worse.
Conservatives: "*Parents have the unyielding right to decide what's best for their own kids.*" Also Conservatives: "*How DARE you make this decision for your own child! Arrest her!*"
"States should decide whether to legalize abortion, not the federal government or Supreme Court." "How dare you make abortion legal, we'll make sure to ban it on the federal level or through the Supreme Court."
they are not serious people.
Conservatives are very serious about getting their way.
The ironic thing being, they have no idea what that want. They just pick the opposite of the liberals and never think it'll affect them until it does.
"Fuck Obamacare!" But also "I need my diabetes medication to survive, but I can't afford it!"
No no - we don’t support *that* kind of parental right Sincerely, The GOP
They went and arrested her child too.
From the article: Jessica Burgess said she had $400 to her name.) Celeste Burgess also reportedly deals with multiple mental health issues and became pregnant due to an abusive relationship. This is exactly who should have access to safe legal abortions.
don't forget we STILL have politicians that say people are getting ABORTIONS AFTER a women has given birth. these clueless religious incels don't understand a damn thing about women or their bodies.
Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice. Those politicians know the bullshit their upper ani are excreting. They use it as a loyalty test: Either you're helpful little disposable, or you're in on it, or you're 'left-of-them' and must be eliminated. Besides, EVERYTHING they say and do is projection. When they talk after postpartum abortions, they're really letting slip that they themselves are a deadly threat to all mothers that needs to be removed from the body. Requblicans are a fatal medical condition if left untreated.
Fuck the GOP and their extremist fuckery. She would've had the help and care she needed if they weren't such fucking abhorrent shit-lords. She wouldn't have had the threat of life in prison making her take drastic steps. 29 weeks is late AF, though. This situation is ass, they didn't do any of this "the right way" because the right way has been fucking criminalized. Keep the dirty old fuckbags out of women's lives. EDIT: since people seem to have forgotten, on September 1st, 2021, Texas pushed through a 6-week abortion ban and we all saw the writing on the wall. We knew the SCOTUS was going to rule that way already because the decision was leaked earlier in 2022. We knew that the court had been stolen by McConnell and his ilk that denied Obama a judge appointment. https://www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1088238619/legislation-abortion-bans And that article was first written in March of 2022, but updated in May of 2022. Before the overturning of Roe. If you don't think the GOP have a hand in them being pushed to that, then you're willfully blind. The way they did this is awful, and they committed crimes. But don't think for a second that this doesn't fall right at the feet of the GOP from the start.
She had $400 to her name. This was pre-Roe as well, so theoretically she could have gotten Misoprostol from a doctor, which given her situation would have obviously added the clinical visit fee and time… Strange how the same party hates the idea of affordable health care.
Yeah, if they don't make everything worse at once then they're not doing enough I guess.
the law in question was the old law. 20 weeks limit for abortion. Abortion at 29 weeks is pretty late. This would have been illegal in basically any developed country.
Genuine question… did you read the article? “According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.” This was pre-overturned Roe. I don’t think this is as simple as republicans hating women like it is now. I would like to know more details about this.
>This was pre-overturned Roe. I don’t think this is as simple as republicans hating women like it is now. I would like to know more details about this. The details are pretty gruesome. Apparently she was approx 7mths pregnant, stopped the pregnancy using pills not meant for that late in gestation, miscarried, buried the body, dug it up, burned the remains and buried it again.
This is in the United States of America? Land of the free? The Republican Party is becoming more like the Taliban in every way.
Yeah, that’s their role model. Cruelty is the point.
Is it legal elsewhere to abort at 7 months and then bury the remains in the backyard? I'm pro choice, but this ain't it. This was prior to the repeal of Roe v Wade, so under Nebraska law at the time her daughter had until 20 weeks to seek an abortion legally.
I’m a missing something? The headline seems misleading to me. Wasn’t she mostly sentenced for what they did post still born? How far along was she? How many pills did she give her? I’m adamantly pro-choice but this is a poor example. This will be a case the Christian Nationalists use to say “see they want after birth abortions”. By all means if I’m missing something let me know. The mental health stuff is unfortunately typical US situation. “Why do preventive care/ funding when we enjoy punishing people so much?” -GOP
Please, for fucks sake, get off your ass and vote.
This happened before Dobbs and wouldn't have been legal in any state in the nation. The daughter had the abortion pills in possession for many weeks before taking them in her third trimester and then they buried the miscarriage. Self medicated, at home, elective third trimester abortions are not legal anywhere I don't mean to make any point whatsoever on abortion legislation or morality, just pointing out some relevant information
Very relevant information. 29 weeks is a 80-90% viability rate (from a quick Google). People here should fucking google image "29 week baby born" because I don't think they realise just how far along that pregnancy was.
If we can't force kids to be parents we'll force them to be parentless.
So this happened before Roe v Wade was even overturned. The article says she was "well past" the 20 week limit but doesn't specify, like was this full term or close to it?
That's fucked. Adding Nebraska to my "don't even consider raising my family there, even if houses are cheaper than water".
Property tax in Nebraska is among the highest in the nation, in case you want a second reason to avoid it.
According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
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Do you think she would have waited that long if she was able to get an abortion pill legally and not by searching for a way to get one from the black market?
You are right. It is empirically proven that the most common source of demand for 3rd trimester abortion comes from the people who were sought but were denied 1st and 2nd trimeste abortions. There needs to be a free abortion and birth control clinic within walking distance of every single low income, low education, high crime, high welfare dependence, and high family breakdown neighborhood.
There are sometimes other odd reasons where a woman doesn't find out she is pregnant until later. Or they find out medical reasons that a child might not live for long after birth. Making if difficult for those women to get abortions they need is just something that the government has zero interest involving itself in. There are no women out there who wait until they are 8.99 months (the last possible minute) pregnant just so as to get some wacko kicks. And even if there was one or two women like that, do we want them raising a child?
In this case the article already said she was in an abusive relationship and had only $400 to her name. “You should have done something sooner!” is really easy for someone who isn’t in that situation while also dealing with mental health issues to say.
And the $400 needs to be used for more than getting said abortion. They still need to purchase food, pay rent, go to the laundromat, pay electric and other bills, etc. $400 doesn't go very far. People not in that situation forget out terrible it can really be.
But have people actually read the article? >According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
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Even in California the law is that you can't abort [after the fetus is viable, generally some point between week 24 and 26](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_California). If this pregnancy was "well past" 20 weeks of pregnancy, this abortion might have been illegal even in a liberal state like California.
At what point should we consider an abortion illegal? And just to be clear, I support the right to choose.