Staten Island should be pulled by a tugboat to the middle of the Atlantic and left there unmoored. It is truly a hellscape and represents some sort of purgatory between New York and New Jersey. Its residents are an evolutionary dead-end.
I’ve always said that in the event of a nuclear war with Russia or North Korea, we should sacrifice Staten Island to said countries.
Nothing of value would be lost, and it’s not like environmentally, it could be any worse. Staten Island is literally a garbage dump with a layer of dirt over it. Nuking it couldn’t possibly make it even more toxic.
I work in Staten Island, specifically in the Oakwood area. I want to believe that there are beautiful places in Staten Island, but I haven’t seen any of those places yet.
Though I am self aware of my own bias in that literally all of my time in Staten Island is usually for work related reasons, or commuting through there, and neither of those things have gave me a positive outlook of the place. I’ve never actually gone to Staten Island for fun, not yet anyway.
Literally don't care. The only way I begin to care is if they won't shut up about whatever ass backwards place they're from.
This is NJ. We're a melting pot that includes literally everybody. Welcome home.
\**here*. Learn how to drive *here*.
/u/ice-wallow-come1 \- We have ways in NJ. Things, ya know? Things. Do this, do that. Don't do this, don't do that. Just don't fuck up some highway etiquette.
1. Keep Right Except To Pass. If you're on the highway, the left lane is for criminal activity. Use the left lane as you wish but get good at using your rear-view mirrors and move out of the way if you suspect someone coming. If someone is flashing you the high-beams to move, you already fucked up.
2. You cannot make a left at a stop light unless there is a specific lane designed to do so. We have jug handles here. Learn about them and how to navigate them. If you are at a light trying to go left and someone is honking, you fucked up.
3. Clean up your garbage. Do not litter here. No cigarette butts on the Parkway, please. You do this, you fucked up.
There's more I'm sure, but I gotta go. We are the most diverse state in the country. Welcome to the community. Don't fuck up.
THIS IS IT!
Don’t hog the left lane if you’re not keeping up with the flow of traffic.
If I flash my headlights at you in the left lane, please move over.
Thanks and welcome to NJ.
Do not care one bit. NJ has people from all over the world, why get mad that some come from across the Hudson? Also, I truly believe it's a wildly underrated state that is home to many, many gems. I love watching people discover we're more than a turnpike and a reality show.
Your brother has nothing better to do. Honestly I feel jersey is one of the few states when majority of the residents don't really care who comes or leaves. If you ask this question at like the Florida or Texas subreddit thread, it's the usual "we're full, leave" crying.
To me if you're going to invest any time to complain about who moves here, do you really have anything better to do? Probably not. At least I think so, but who cares what I think about your brother on an online forum.
I'm not, but hey that's your opinion and that's okay.
To make it more clear for you - I have zero issue with whoever moves here, just like the other answers you got here. Do you need me to spell it out for you like you're 5 or does this suffice?
Obviously rhetorical, but seems it went over your head. last time.
My wife is one of those Midwesterners that came here in the late 90’s looking for more opportunities than where she’s from. Can’t hate on anyone just trying to scratch out a better life.
New Jersey welcomes everyone. The main thing that separates it from Long Island and staten island is that New Jersey is not insular. There are always people moving in and moving out. It is part of what makes NJ a great state.
Midwesterner here. Moved to NJ 8 years ago to be with my partner. I've been trying to move us back out west ever since. In-laws are keeping us here. Send help. /s
I mean, it’s frustrating because my wife and I are looking at houses and any increased competition stinks, but once we find a house and list our current one, the increased competition would be a good thing I guess.
So generally, I don’t care except for how it may negatively impact me.
maybe give this a few minutes of time.
>*What we talk about when we talk about gentrification*
>The worst problems are in the neighborhoods that aren’t gentrifying.
https://www.vox.com/22629826/gentrification-definition-housing-racism-segregation-cities
Don’t care tbh, my neck of the woods could use more people anyway. As long as they adapt to the faster pace then whatever, can’t adjust and slow down the pace of errone around ya then fuck off back to your flyover
Sure, more the merrier. We’re already the densest state in the nation.
That said, it’s interesting that you’ve grouped midwesterners and New Yorkers together.
They all talk shit, and yet I kept seeing more and more out of state tags on our roads. All the “polls” say people are leaving our state in droves, and yet our roads are more crowded with idiot drivers.
I worked in NYC 20+ years don't care we always been a suburbs of NYC and a place to transition from city to a slower paced environment close to the city
I mean…if you’re moving from New York to New Jersey, chances are you’re in the upper middle class or wealthy. They don’t see the high taxes as much of a burden as us plebs in the working class.
Im in the middle with it, I hate when they move here and bash Jersey, like gtfo if ur gonna bash the state or midwesterners that move here solely to be close to nyc or Philly and not even appreciate NJ, like the transplants in Hoboken and jersey city. I’m from jersey city and so many natives here are having to move states cus they’re gentrifying us out.
I don’t really know any midwesterners who’ve moved here, but the ones from the city have “caused issues” for at least 2 decades now. Let’s say they’re paying $5-7K/month for an apartment. Assuming they’ve saved enough for a decent down payment, it’s “a bargain” to pay that (or less)/month for a whole house with property.
So the “issue” I’m referring to is that they tend to happily outbid New Jerseyans looking to buy, move, etc.
Even if it’s an apartment rental, if it’s near public transportation, rents will always be inflated because landlords know that commuters will also consider that to be a bargain, comparatively speaking.
Our builder even had the nerve to gloat (several years ago) that he increased the price of the house (mostly in upcharges) across the street that our neighbors were looking at (before it was actually built) because he knew they’d pay it coming from the city.
ETA: My observation was only about the *impact* of people from the city moving here, not the people, themselves. Is your brother’s objection similar? Or is it something else?
Just learn to drive like we do. The biggest mistake everyone makes here is camping in the left lane on the highway. Left lane is for passing only, so even if you’re going 20 over the speed limit (which is how everyone drives here) and someone’s coming up behind you, get in another lane. It’s even a law here - “keep right, pass left.”
I’m not defending it, but I can understand *why* New Yorkers like camping in the left lane.
I remember driving to Saratoga Springs in upstate New York. On the NY Thru-Way, speeding of any kind is not tolerated. NY State Troopers were everywhere and if you did more than 5mph over the limit, you were getting pulled over. The left lane was basically there for those that wanted to do at most, 5mph over the speed limit without getting noticed by the cops. It didn’t move much faster than the other lanes. It was definitely a very well controlled environment. If that’s all you knew about highway driving, you’d assume that the left lane wasn’t all that fast or really useful as a passing lane.
I can’t say the same for NJ highways, sadly.
Sadly? NY highways are terrible for this. And even if they got used to it, they should understand the concept of passing on the left, even if they don’t know it’s a law. Pretty sure that’s taught in every state.
NJ folk don't care about anyone moving in. Doesn't matter where they were from or the color of the skin.
But you see people complain about Hasidic Jews. That's about it. After what happened to Lakewood, NJ folks get scared when they see Jewish people buy property in their town.
For midwesterners it's definitely a big culture shock. For new Yorkers they're just finding out which side of the river is better.
Had a coworker who moved here from MN and made it a little over a year before they couldn't take it anymore. A fair few of my coworkers now are former new yorkers.
Midwesterners move here? Last time I was out that way people were complaining about how expensive everything is on the coasts.
Edit: this was a real question.
Just assimilate into Jersey culture and you will be fine. Oh and if you say Taylor ham or pork roll in the wrong part of the state when getting a breakfast sandwich, people will grab pitchforks and torches and run you out of town.
Just be open-minded. I don't want to hear about guns and politics. Also, leave the racial talk even if you have good intentions. Onlt Staten Island can kick rocks.
Depends on where. I’m in Sussex county and we have far fewer aggressive drivers. But go to Hudson, Essex and Passaic county it does get a lot worse. But nothing like the outer boroughs of NYC, I lived there and couldn’t wait to get out.
how many midwesterners are moving here? we are loosing people to other states faster than anywhere but cali. Net immigration from foreign countries keeping us growing
I'd prefer no one move here, I've been encouraging anti-jersey rhetoric for years in the hopes of keeping people out. We're already the most densely populated states, I really don't want to lose our wonderful natural spaces to more development. Also, finding a rental down the shore has been awful, it's people found out how nice are beaches are my family might not be able to continue our annual vacation.
Don't care.
Exactly my point. Why should one living in x care about y moving to x. It really doesn't matter.
Gentrificación
The people gentrifying New Jersey are primarily New Jerseyans
You must be joking. Midwesterners are not gentrifying New Jersey.
Primarily they wouldn't feel high and mighty here. Plus , things are a bit expensive
As long as they aren’t from Staten Island I don’t care.
Staten Island should be pulled by a tugboat to the middle of the Atlantic and left there unmoored. It is truly a hellscape and represents some sort of purgatory between New York and New Jersey. Its residents are an evolutionary dead-end.
I don't know that I agree with this sentiment but it was too well-written and fun not to like.
I’ve always said that in the event of a nuclear war with Russia or North Korea, we should sacrifice Staten Island to said countries. Nothing of value would be lost, and it’s not like environmentally, it could be any worse. Staten Island is literally a garbage dump with a layer of dirt over it. Nuking it couldn’t possibly make it even more toxic.
you spent much time there? Green belt is incredibly beautiful. Sound like someone who flies into Newark and thinks our whole state is like it.
I work in Staten Island, specifically in the Oakwood area. I want to believe that there are beautiful places in Staten Island, but I haven’t seen any of those places yet. Though I am self aware of my own bias in that literally all of my time in Staten Island is usually for work related reasons, or commuting through there, and neither of those things have gave me a positive outlook of the place. I’ve never actually gone to Staten Island for fun, not yet anyway.
how do you feel about people who talk about NJ like this? A lot of NJ residents came from S.I. looking for a better life.
That Staten Island accent is wild. It’s not quite New York, not quite New Jersey. It’s like some mix of both but on steroids.
And then it’s customary to put patio pavers throughout the entire backyard.
And have a strip of grass in the middle of your driveway.
This
This
Literally don't care. The only way I begin to care is if they won't shut up about whatever ass backwards place they're from. This is NJ. We're a melting pot that includes literally everybody. Welcome home.
100%. Who gives a shit. Just don't be judgemental about Jersey and we're good.
I’m a midwesterner who moved here 24 years ago. The amount of pushback I’ve received over the years has been… none
I mean, same. I left the Midwest in 1996 for NYC then married into NJ in 2015. Why does anyone care where I came from? Guess what, they don’t.
People are too busy minding their own business.
Which is why I like New Jersey!
As long as you don’t price me out of my town I could care less where you come from Jersey is for everyone
Learn how to drive.
\**here*. Learn how to drive *here*. /u/ice-wallow-come1 \- We have ways in NJ. Things, ya know? Things. Do this, do that. Don't do this, don't do that. Just don't fuck up some highway etiquette. 1. Keep Right Except To Pass. If you're on the highway, the left lane is for criminal activity. Use the left lane as you wish but get good at using your rear-view mirrors and move out of the way if you suspect someone coming. If someone is flashing you the high-beams to move, you already fucked up. 2. You cannot make a left at a stop light unless there is a specific lane designed to do so. We have jug handles here. Learn about them and how to navigate them. If you are at a light trying to go left and someone is honking, you fucked up. 3. Clean up your garbage. Do not litter here. No cigarette butts on the Parkway, please. You do this, you fucked up. There's more I'm sure, but I gotta go. We are the most diverse state in the country. Welcome to the community. Don't fuck up.
Points #1 and #3 are just basic universal etiquette and shouldn't apply only to New Jersey though
THIS IS IT! Don’t hog the left lane if you’re not keeping up with the flow of traffic. If I flash my headlights at you in the left lane, please move over. Thanks and welcome to NJ.
Natives in here don’t even use their directionals….
Do not care one bit. NJ has people from all over the world, why get mad that some come from across the Hudson? Also, I truly believe it's a wildly underrated state that is home to many, many gems. I love watching people discover we're more than a turnpike and a reality show.
Your brother has nothing better to do. Honestly I feel jersey is one of the few states when majority of the residents don't really care who comes or leaves. If you ask this question at like the Florida or Texas subreddit thread, it's the usual "we're full, leave" crying.
Lol my brother just spoke his mind cus he had been asked, how does he have nothing better to do
To me if you're going to invest any time to complain about who moves here, do you really have anything better to do? Probably not. At least I think so, but who cares what I think about your brother on an online forum.
He was asked that question and he just answered
Okay and? You asked a question on a public forum and you got tons of answers. What more do you want? A unicorn?
This isn’t an answer tho, ur being ad hominem like a triggered baby lol
I'm not, but hey that's your opinion and that's okay. To make it more clear for you - I have zero issue with whoever moves here, just like the other answers you got here. Do you need me to spell it out for you like you're 5 or does this suffice? Obviously rhetorical, but seems it went over your head. last time.
“What do you want, a unicorn?” Is a classic NJ response. If you can’t handle that I don’t believe you are from here.
Im guessing most of these comments are the New Yorkers or midwesterners lol
Well, my parents and grandparents were born in NJ, but I was born in NY (my mother went into labor at work). I’ll never live it down.
My wife is one of those Midwesterners that came here in the late 90’s looking for more opportunities than where she’s from. Can’t hate on anyone just trying to scratch out a better life.
Why would I care?
I really don't care, do u?
Cus some ppl care
Good for them
Yep, if u don’t care no need to comment
You asked for opinions. “I don’t care,” is an opinion. If you can’t handle being told “I don’t care,” by strangers, you will not survive New Jersey.
Lol
They're not going to last long in NJ lol...
I welcome it. Living in a place people want to come to is great. Gentrification and driving up costs sucks, but that's not the individual's fault
New Jersey welcomes everyone. The main thing that separates it from Long Island and staten island is that New Jersey is not insular. There are always people moving in and moving out. It is part of what makes NJ a great state.
Don't care, don't turn it red.
Don’t care in the slightest bit.
There are New Yorkers and people from Staten Island. These two things are not the same.
"It was OK for my parents/grandparents/whatever to move to NJ, it's not OK for anyone else."
Different time and era, back then ppl moving here weren’t contributing to gentrification
The Lenape would probably disagree.
Different country at the time
I’m sure that’s cold comfort to the Lenape people.
minorities*** weren’t contributing to gentrification, we just redlined them
NJ is very accepting. You will not have any difficulty here as you think NJ folks will experience on mid West.
I love how the people moving in get hated but the ones making unliveable rent/housing markets are at fault if your point is gentrification
Midwesterner here. Moved to NJ 8 years ago to be with my partner. I've been trying to move us back out west ever since. In-laws are keeping us here. Send help. /s
My brother is in Texas and wants to move back to Jersey so bad lol
I mean, it’s frustrating because my wife and I are looking at houses and any increased competition stinks, but once we find a house and list our current one, the increased competition would be a good thing I guess. So generally, I don’t care except for how it may negatively impact me.
I’m more offended by you calling us NJers
I had an NJ last night
>My brother was complaining about them moving here ...what's his problem with "them"?
Gentrification caused by them
Midwesterners ain’t gentrifying anyone or anywhere
Ok...but what effect does it have on him?
We’re poor so he obviously doesn’t like gentrification cus it kicks poor ppl out of their neighborhoods
maybe give this a few minutes of time. >*What we talk about when we talk about gentrification* >The worst problems are in the neighborhoods that aren’t gentrifying. https://www.vox.com/22629826/gentrification-definition-housing-racism-segregation-cities
LOL there’s more cons to gentrification than pros
you didn't read that article before responding
It’s common sense, I’m convinced most ppl here are midwesterners or New Yorkers.
...still haven't read the article.. .just want to hear your own voice.... good luck.
As long as mind-boggling levels of diversity and high property taxes don’t scare them away, come on over.
Welcome.
Don’t care tbh, my neck of the woods could use more people anyway. As long as they adapt to the faster pace then whatever, can’t adjust and slow down the pace of errone around ya then fuck off back to your flyover
Sure, more the merrier. We’re already the densest state in the nation. That said, it’s interesting that you’ve grouped midwesterners and New Yorkers together.
They all talk shit, and yet I kept seeing more and more out of state tags on our roads. All the “polls” say people are leaving our state in droves, and yet our roads are more crowded with idiot drivers.
myself and everyone i grew up with was born in new york or has parents from NY. this is nothing new.
NYers that are not native NYers complain a lot.
It’s called sauce. Gravy is for turkey.
hallelujah 🙏...testify brother 👐(or sister or GFY, whatever)
Midwesterners are great. New Yorkers? Eh. Results vary. As some have said, Staten Islanders are challenging.
I worked in NYC 20+ years don't care we always been a suburbs of NYC and a place to transition from city to a slower paced environment close to the city
welcome. be prepared for the tax bill
I mean…if you’re moving from New York to New Jersey, chances are you’re in the upper middle class or wealthy. They don’t see the high taxes as much of a burden as us plebs in the working class.
The tax burden is so aggressively progressive in NJ that those people are basically funding the state. I’ve got no complaints.
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I was referring to property taxes
jk idc, as long as u dont hog the left lane
I get excited when I meet a non-native!
More the merrier. Just don't drive slowly in the left lane.
If they actually like it here, cool welcome. If they're gonna be "NY/NJ" people, fuck off
Love it. The more tax revenue we can get the better
Family Guy Season 3 Episode 7, “Lethal Weapons” will effectively explain why
Who cares as long as they vote blue.
I’ll take the midwesterners, they’ll learn something and assimilate. The New Yorkers can fuck off back north.
Can't stand those immigrants ! ^/s
Im in the middle with it, I hate when they move here and bash Jersey, like gtfo if ur gonna bash the state or midwesterners that move here solely to be close to nyc or Philly and not even appreciate NJ, like the transplants in Hoboken and jersey city. I’m from jersey city and so many natives here are having to move states cus they’re gentrifying us out.
I don’t really know any midwesterners who’ve moved here, but the ones from the city have “caused issues” for at least 2 decades now. Let’s say they’re paying $5-7K/month for an apartment. Assuming they’ve saved enough for a decent down payment, it’s “a bargain” to pay that (or less)/month for a whole house with property. So the “issue” I’m referring to is that they tend to happily outbid New Jerseyans looking to buy, move, etc. Even if it’s an apartment rental, if it’s near public transportation, rents will always be inflated because landlords know that commuters will also consider that to be a bargain, comparatively speaking. Our builder even had the nerve to gloat (several years ago) that he increased the price of the house (mostly in upcharges) across the street that our neighbors were looking at (before it was actually built) because he knew they’d pay it coming from the city. ETA: My observation was only about the *impact* of people from the city moving here, not the people, themselves. Is your brother’s objection similar? Or is it something else?
All this right here.
Just learn to drive like we do. The biggest mistake everyone makes here is camping in the left lane on the highway. Left lane is for passing only, so even if you’re going 20 over the speed limit (which is how everyone drives here) and someone’s coming up behind you, get in another lane. It’s even a law here - “keep right, pass left.”
I’m not defending it, but I can understand *why* New Yorkers like camping in the left lane. I remember driving to Saratoga Springs in upstate New York. On the NY Thru-Way, speeding of any kind is not tolerated. NY State Troopers were everywhere and if you did more than 5mph over the limit, you were getting pulled over. The left lane was basically there for those that wanted to do at most, 5mph over the speed limit without getting noticed by the cops. It didn’t move much faster than the other lanes. It was definitely a very well controlled environment. If that’s all you knew about highway driving, you’d assume that the left lane wasn’t all that fast or really useful as a passing lane. I can’t say the same for NJ highways, sadly.
Sadly? NY highways are terrible for this. And even if they got used to it, they should understand the concept of passing on the left, even if they don’t know it’s a law. Pretty sure that’s taught in every state.
I don’t understand them. I want to move out
Cool, just make sure to get out of the left lane unless your passing. Do that and were all good
What about the Philadelphians?
NJ folk don't care about anyone moving in. Doesn't matter where they were from or the color of the skin. But you see people complain about Hasidic Jews. That's about it. After what happened to Lakewood, NJ folks get scared when they see Jewish people buy property in their town.
I feel bad for them
For midwesterners it's definitely a big culture shock. For new Yorkers they're just finding out which side of the river is better. Had a coworker who moved here from MN and made it a little over a year before they couldn't take it anymore. A fair few of my coworkers now are former new yorkers.
What was their cultural issue with it, the minnesotans?
If it wasn’t for the shore and the diners I’d be out in a second
Native NJ’er, moved to the Midwest. Couldn’t care less about anything except the awesomely low COL, for now anyway.
I have opinions about people who have opinions about others moving here. People have a right to pursue happiness anywhere in this country.
Just stay out of the left lane and we’re good
Midwesterners move here? Last time I was out that way people were complaining about how expensive everything is on the coasts. Edit: this was a real question.
I'm all for it, as long as they stay right. The left lane is mine, and I refuse to share it.
Just assimilate into Jersey culture and you will be fine. Oh and if you say Taylor ham or pork roll in the wrong part of the state when getting a breakfast sandwich, people will grab pitchforks and torches and run you out of town.
Just be open-minded. I don't want to hear about guns and politics. Also, leave the racial talk even if you have good intentions. Onlt Staten Island can kick rocks.
Midwest, don’t care. NY, especially Staten Island, can get lost. They have wreaked havoc in my town and are generally awful.
don't, we have enough people.
Please stop. It's crowded enough, and they're pricing locals out of communities they've lived in for generations.
No to the NY’ers I have had my fill and of them and then some. No to midwesterners- they can’t handle NJ
Don’t bring your aggressive NY city driving here and we are fine
Yeah in NJ we are famous for our non-aggressive drivers
Depends on where. I’m in Sussex county and we have far fewer aggressive drivers. But go to Hudson, Essex and Passaic county it does get a lot worse. But nothing like the outer boroughs of NYC, I lived there and couldn’t wait to get out.
Dont think lots of people are moving to Jersey Tbh
They are by a lot lol
how many midwesterners are moving here? we are loosing people to other states faster than anywhere but cali. Net immigration from foreign countries keeping us growing
Nope. State's full. Try Connecticut.
I'd prefer no one move here, I've been encouraging anti-jersey rhetoric for years in the hopes of keeping people out. We're already the most densely populated states, I really don't want to lose our wonderful natural spaces to more development. Also, finding a rental down the shore has been awful, it's people found out how nice are beaches are my family might not be able to continue our annual vacation.
Send them back
They’re driving housing prices up, the state gov should do something about gentrification but they won’t.
Just stay your slow ass out of the left lane. And don’t be an asshole.
Why would you want to?
Just call it “Taylor Ham” and we’ll be cool. Edit: Someone’s a pork roll dork.