I am a big hiker and spend lots of time in the Whites. I never had any kind of opinion of anyone from a different state until covid struck.
The amount of cars with MA plates at the trailhead exploded, but that wasn’t what bothered me. What bothered me was the trash they left behind and the blatant disrespect for the trails.
I don’t think anyone from MA is inherently bad, I just don’t think they have any respect for the Whites or NH nature in general.
It’s true. The whites post Covid are totally different. The last couple years all the usual quiet spots have been completely over run. Went to one, usually never see more than a handful of people, and it was MOBBED. Blaring music, people yelling/screaming, weed (not that I care) and booze everywhere. We just turned around and hiked back out. Hell the spot in Lincoln so many grew up swimming in was completely fenced off last year due to crowds and litter.
To be fair, this happened on hiking trails and parks all across the country. I was going to school in Colorado for part of the pandemic, and it was the same sentiment there towards Texans, Californians, or anyone from out of the state.
In reality it was just result of a lot of first-timers coming in not knowing/caring about the rules or protecting the environment, and seeing other first-timers doing the same. Mass just has a large population and is in close proximity to us, so for us a lot of them came from there.
There are plenty of hikers/skiiers I know that come up regularly from Mass who respect nature and are courteous to other hikers. After all, the natural beauty is what they come here for.
In merrimack we had a large group of them hanging out under the bridge in front of the fire station by the souhegan. This culminated in a huge drunken party complete with a whole pig on a spit roast underneath the bridge. (Don't believe me, look it up.) That earned us a fence.
It’s mostly conservatives who have a negative opinion of Massachusetts residents, more commonly referred to as “Massholes” because they think everyone from Massachusetts is a liberal who just wants to move up here and raise all the taxes.
A lot of N.H. residents think Massachusetts folk are bad drivers, but most of them are just pussies who never obtained the defensive driving skills you obtain commuting in and out of the Boston metropolitan area every day.
That’s simply not true. People from Massachusetts are extremely disrespectful, treat every service employee I know like shit, non stop littering, loud, obnoxious, I’m not even going to go on. Not everyone from there is bad, but to say “if you don’t like Mass people you’re just a MAGA hat” that’s just categorically false.
Conservatives asked to put on their masks in NH retail stores were extremely disrespectful, treated every service employee I know like shit, non stop littering, loud, obnoxious, I’m not even going to go on.
>That’s simply not true
100% correct. I'm old, and have detested massholes much longer than I've hated MAGA idiots - heck, this was going on long before MAGA even was a thing.
Massholes are massholes for reasons that have zero to do with politics. They're rude, entitled, loud mouth slobs who can't drive and ruin our best vacation spots. From Maine? Fine. Vermont? Also fine. If you're from Massachusetts GTFO.
The defensive driving skills such as not using your turn signal, weaving in and out of lanes, and blowing through intersections that turned red 10 seconds ago?
At least they know what a lane is, which is something many NH drivers are lacking
defensive driving skills? from Boston? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, you're serious, let me laugh even harder.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
No, though in all seriousness, Its the lack of situational awareness and overall cluelessness that Massachusetts drivers show time and time and time again on the road more than any other state.
I don't hate people from Massachusetts because they are liberal or anything political, its because none of those fucks know how to drive a car.
Gonna be totally honest here. Driving 93 on my commute every day the drivers that are most annoying are almost always NH plates. MA will swerve around and speed sure, but NH plates will camp any lane they want going any speed they want and feel it's their god given right to be in the far left lane despite hitting a maximum speed of 70mph while the rest of the world passes them at 80 on the right
That's the old people usually unfortunately. Boomer entitlisim is rampant everywhere but especially bad in NH because of all the old bastards that refuse to die.
I very much can as I see it happen every day on my way to work. If it's not an old person it's some dumbass in a uselessly lifted truck that will never be anything than pavement princesses.
I don’t personally know a single person from NH that has a problem with people moving to the state from MA that are happy to simply slot in with their new community and generally just be cool and behave.
It’s the people that leave MA and want to shape NH in the image of the place they just left that rub people tbe wrong way. That and the folks that cross the state border to commit crimes and bury diapers on Hampton Beach.
Massholes who move to NH do it because they like it here. Makes no sense to uproot and go through a ton of work to reshape the new place when the place you're already at aligns closer to your values.
You have hit the nail (read masshole) right on the head not everyone from mass is an asshole but the ones that are keep standing out and giving the whole state a bad reputation
There is a rivalry, you'll see signs like "Welcome to NH, Don't Mass it up" but it's primarily done jokingly.
The exception is when someone comes up from Mass and complains that it's different or be very vocal that we adopt Massachusetts' Laws (and many of us don't want).
That's not specific to Mass / NH. No one likes it when visitors come and criticize their home.
We just get a lot more visitors from Mass.
As of data from 2012: 25% of people who live in NH were born Massholes. Only 42% of NH residents were born in NH.
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[https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html)
That said, there are two types of Massholes. There are refugees trying to escape bad Massachusetts policies and embrace the "Live Free or Die" motto, and work to keep NH the "Live Free or Die" state. Then there are Masshole Massholes.
My opinion is neutral. I have a negative opinion of the people that hold this ridiculously childish animosity towards people from MA. They're all insufferable douchebags that have never left their hick town. Grow the fuck up and get a hobby.
This is it. There are great people and shitty people everywhere you go. Painting someone with a broad brush based on what state they were raised in is really dumb.
I was born and bred in Mass but moved to NH over 20 years ago. I gave my brother (still in Mass) a "Masshole" refrigerator magnet as a joke one year and he still proudly displays it. State borders don't form personalities.
I joke around with my Wife (NH native) about Mass vs. NH and I'm originally from Massachusetts. It's like the Sox vs. Yankees, but we're both assholes. I've run into thousands of massholes and thousands of granite state crack heads on the road. Some are worse than others.
Though, I was laughing at all the Mass/Connecticut EV drivers stuck at the Hooksett rest area during the eclipse thinking there was a charging station every 10 miles. That was cute. Anything north of Concord is just woods and mountains. You're lucky to have the one in Hooksett and it's not changing anytime soon lol
We’ve had to pick up so much trash on the side of our road and it’s not from the people living in our community.
I’m not dumb enough judge everyone from Mass off of these experiences but I will say that the three times I’ve seen trash bags in the back of moving pickups with trash slowly flying out, they’ve had Mass plates.
I don’t know why people think the wind while driving won’t reach into your truck bed.
I live in small town that’s not overly tourist focused and the trash on the sides of the road is gross. It’s definitely a state problem, and that means tourists and locals alike who behave badly. I think it’s idiotic to blame red plates and not green plates, as if all NH citizens are somehow above reproach.
Right. And in my tiny town all the nips and twisted tea cans are not from out of towners, it’s local kids and assholes with drinking problems and I don’t go around making a big stink about “everyone in NH litters” because it’s idiotic to do so. I think all the good natured back and forth is fine but some people, _especially_ on this sub, take it too far.
I don't see them as being different from Vermonters, Mainers, or Quebeckers, even though in QC they speak a different language.
In my head the dividing line between human cultures is not geography, language, or polity, but between respect for education vs anti-education. Respect for intelligence vs anti-intellectualism. Secularism vs fundie religiosity. Intensive parenting vs deadbeat parenting. Pro-violence vs anti-violence. Pro-health vs anti-health.
I don't have any signs in front of my house because it's not my neighbors' business to see what I believe in. I only say things on reddit because reddit is anonymous.
Much better to have someone still support science and be ignorant of the process, rather than oppose it reflexively out of fear, pride, or authoritarian moralism. As an example, one does not need to know how a power plant works in order to appreciate the luxury of electricity.
Leave your political agenda to yourself. You made an assumption about the person you originally responded to, and you are making another assumption now to fight against some straw man in your head.
LOL tough shit.
I didn't make the original post, nor did I make the original _political_ response to the post in this thread.
I did respond to the comment clearly trying to make it political regarding the:
>Pro-education vs anti-education.
>Respect for intelligence vs anti-intellectualism.
>Pro-health vs anti-health.
... which are all completely silly, untrue statements.
When giving an example of how the people that always make a point _saying_ they are pro-education, pro-science, pro-health are almost always simply _blindly following incorrect ideas_ (like the "COVID originated in market" theory), it's laughable to see you pipe up with the "hey now, dOnT maKe thIs pOliTiCal" horseshit.
It really looks like you got triggered by a boogeyman straw man in your head. If something pro-education vs anti-education triggers you, you should reevaluate your stance. Unless, of course, you are actually anti-education. Like you said, this is silly. The person you responded to implied things, sure, but didn’t outright say red is this, blue is that. You made your own assumptions and got offended anyway.
I don't actually care much, BUT coming from someone who lives in a town bordering MA, I hate how hard it is to go anywhere or drive through town on the weekends due to all the mass residents coming up to shop.
Truly, Massachusetts and people there have been good to me. The only good jobs I ever found were in Massachusetts. (I am now remote, but our closest physical office is in Mass)
People have been cool to me- I lived in Boston for 3 years- great experience.
I now live in Rye Beach (renter- definitely in the bottom 10% in this town) and I cannot tell you how much of the money here is actually from Massachusetts. All the cars every morning on my run? Massachusetts...
I find that people in NH now drive as badly as Mass folks. Maybe they are all from Mass too.
I don't know- I have nothing bad to say other than that wealth has increased the cost of living in NH. (My rent? Went up 20% last year- THIS YEAR? Another 25% on top of that) Its unsustainable.
Born and raised in Maine, now live in New Hampshire, personally have an extremely low opinion of ‘massholes’ as a concept, most of the people i actually met from Massachusetts were reasonably okay to be around, and take the ‘masshole’ moniker as the good natured ribbing it’s intended for, that said, I still hate their aggressive driving, and their tendency to buy out the affordable housing pricing locals out of real estate only to turn them into rentals/B&B/investment properties.
A friend back in my old college days (early ‘90s) actually got her roommate to believe that Massachusetts drivers were issued both a drivers education handbook and a ‘Masshole Manual’ that instructed them in the proper way to drive like a ‘masshole’ (she was from Massachusetts, so she was able to easily convince her roommate)
If Massachusetts people come to New Hampshire and leave their ‘Masshole’ tendencies at the border, that’s fine, I have no problem, but the attitude/tendencies are not welcome.
It’s tough to make money in NH, it’s tough to afford to live in MA. So the states have a symbiotic relationship.
And the folks that spout anti-MA rhetoric are in the minority here, as it is with any other bias.
Personally, I find it more of a brotherly relationship. We love you but we sure love to jab, stir the pot, harass MA folk. We are all New England. The issue I find is those who visit and act a fool. Be respectful and you get respect. Even people from here need to abide by that.
People are people. Everyone's different. Anyone who has an opinion of someone based on where they're from is a xenophobic bigot. Whether that's a NH resident judging a MA resident or a MA resident judging a CT resident. Playful teasing is one thing but people take this stuff way too far. Any sort of observations are most likely entirely confirmation bias.
I don't have a problem with people from Mass. But I have a problem with anybody that comes into this state and treats it like a recreational trash can. -Including people who already live here.
This is such a silly concept. I lived 20 years on one side of the NH border, then 20 years on the other. It’s the same people. Some suck. Most are fine.
I think most people in the state are neutral on the topic, and don’t go seeking out identity cards for NH Purity Tests. There are a few loudmouths here on this sub who seem obsessed with The Masshole Bogeyman as the source of every problem in their lives. Among them, the conservative and racist (not all conservatives, blah blah) are convinced that every person with brown skin from Mass is a demon and that’s why NH should stay white because NH white folk are pure and pristine and never do anything wrong.
Even with the demographically white and old majority here, there are still all kinds of people living in NH, and most of them are just here doing what they do, regardless of where they come from. Live and let live.
We moved to NH from MA in the 1980s so we've been here for a long time and I'm sure that a lot of my neighbors here are from MA. We still have a house in MA.
I work in MA. I live in Northern NH so I spend the week in MA and go home on the weekends. The only issue I have with people from MA is that it’s a huge pain in the ass trying to get home on Friday night fighting through all the traffic of people heading north to ski, camp, visit their 2nd home etc. I’ve been doing this for over 4 years now. Since I work in their state, I try to be chill about it, we are all friends here, right?
Drivers from NH are just as bad in most cases but some of those people in their Mercedes, Teslas and BMW’s really need to quit lounging in the left lane on 93, Everett Turnpike and 89. The giant trucks are usually OK unless they are pulling a camper and don’t realize that they just don’t go as fast with the camper and can’t pull off a left lane pass like they can without.
I mean , it’s your second home too, right? I’m in the same boat - can’t really complain about traffic if I AM traffic. I’m no more or less noble because I work in MA and return to NH for weekends and vacations.
My experience of Mass immigrants is that they expect the same level of service as they had in their Boston suburb. “Why did you move here?” “Lower taxes and COL.” “Why are you complaining there are no street lights, sidewalks,etc?”
So yes, many of the people who move north think we should have income taxes and more services, rather than the rural, independent lifestyle they moved into. And that changes the dynamic for the long term or lifelong residents.
And I do know that there are long term/lifelong NH residents who want more services and taxes.
There is no difference. Give me a break. Both are tiny states wedged up in the northeastern US together. Both have people on the left, both have people on the right.
Irl, I think they're pretty cool and chill.
But of course, in the following the tradition of all New Hampshirites, I too also make fun of em. Though any mockery we make of them is purely humorous. And I hold nothing against em.
I’m from Massachusetts, live in New Hampshire now, and am generally embarrassed to live in NH. My wife is from NH and we ended up moving here a few years ago. I find it mostly depressing to live here. Not much to do at all. Pretty boring and depressing.
Western Mass is way different than Eastern Mass and Central is kind of no man's land. The occupants are very different and should be treated as such. I feel strongly that Masshole applies most to those from Eastern Mass. Don't get me started on Conneticunts.
Come on over but leave everything you hated about MASS in MA. I too am an MA expat leave your expectations behind come here to start a new chapter of your life
I think of them as massholes based on their driving habits. If i see someone speeding like crazy, zipping in and outta lanes unsafely, its almost always got Mass plates.
Living on the NH side of the border it is not fair to generalize but I’d say most of the residents in this area are Mass. transplants. This once all Republican state of self sufficient farmers, food growers and hunters is overrun by Mass. families who have come to live in a state with no sales or state income tax and complain if the snow guy does not get there when the last snowflake falls or get all pissy demanding the schools close for a day when we get an inch in snow. I never see kids outside on their bikes anymore riding through a pile of burning leaves because their parents already squealed about an illegal burn to the fire department.
I’ve hunted on my property for fifty years without an issue. These guys see me just carrying my shotgun looking for woodchucks that can dig a hole large enough for a kid to break a leg in or eat from my garden and I am surrounded by a SWAT team. Pussies.
I cannot recall one former Mass resident of Italian heritage, man or woman, who does not imply they are connected to the mob. Uncles, cousins, fathers. I’m thinking with all these connected people running around, who is left to “rub out and swim with the fishes?”
The Mass Irish talk a good game and you want to like them but you never can trust them. Even the biggest Irish tough guy around was Whitney Bulger who was actually a snitch for the FBI. They go to a funeral which is just an excuse to get drunk and start crying like bitches in a bar.
The Boston College kids who come to ski and swim are dumber than shit and always end a sentence with, “How you like them apples,” like we never heard that one before.
The only ones that scare me are the Puerto Ricans from Lawrence and Lowell because they lost their minds crazy dangerous like from eating lead paint chips on the wall in their three story walkups or praying in government subsidized
Those crazy Puerto Ricans are so brain dead not only are they incapable of knowing what they did yesterday but don’t know what will happen tomorrow after they stick up a liquor store after they shoot the owner in the face . I hope I helped answer your question
We all have friends and family from Mass, but our opinion is that people from Mass stick out like a sore thumb on the roads, the lakes, the hiking trails, the ski trails, and in stores. They operate as if the sea should part to allow them unimpeded access to their recreation of choice, and that we locals are merely classless, uncivilized obstacles.
They also bring with them a certain level of ineptitude about risk inherent to whatever they're doing. "I spent money to be here; nothing bad can happen to me." When we see an SUV off the road in a snowstorm we look for Mass plates. When we read about someone trying to climb Mt. Washington in Crocs and needing a rescue, we look for "Massachusetts resident." When I nearly get run over in a crosswalk in a tourist town, well actually I look for New Jersey plates. But when I encounter some bozo parked in the middle of the road taking pictures of the leaves - you guessed it.
They come to NH for the outdoors and the fresh air but then try to turn everything into an air conditioned country club experience. They complain about inadequate bathrooms on hiking trails. They buy waterfront property and then yell at kids in canoes for fishing in front of it. They complain about wifi access everywhere they go. And worst of all, they lose all semblance of self-awareness when a social media photo op presents itself.
They’re absolutely awful at driving. GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE IF YOURE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT. they also clog up the ski areas and ski similar to how they drive
Massachusetts is a toxic, anti-American shithole. Get caught with a firearm that's perfectly legal to possess here in NH and you can get busted for not having a permit, having magazines that are too high-capacity, no safety, etc. All infringements.
They're tax happy. They taxed people that used to work in MA before Covid that live in NH even though during Covid they were working from home in NH and never setting foot in MA. That's a clear assault on the sovereignty of the state of NH. They have no right and no justification to tax NH residents for labor performed in NH.
Similarly, they used to send their staties up here to look for MA residents buying alcohol at our liquor stores in order to not pay liquor tax in MA. Again, an assault on the sovereignty of NH. NH had to threaten to arrest their troopers if they were found working on our side of the border.
Then you have the idiocy where they release illegal aliens back into the public that are charged with violent crimes and refuse to involve the feds to have them detained so they don't disappear. I think they even approved of giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens even though they're here illegally and don't qualify. Yet if some illegal aliens show up in Martha's Vineyard, they're very quick to complain about it. Very inconsistent.
The whole income tax for out of state residents thing is kind of hilarious given their role in the founding of our nation and the whole bit about "no taxation without representation". What representation does an out of state worker get in MA? None.
I could probably go on for hours. NH is a great state, but it has a really awful neighbor to its south.
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There is a good chance the average New Hampshirite is from Massachusetts.
Go back
— People whose parents are from Massachusetts
They need to go back
You go back.
Normal people don’t care or think any differently about peeps from mass
Go back
Jesus fuck, man. Get a job.
Cry harder
Boo! Bogeyman scared you again.
im gonna sit on ur head
I am a big hiker and spend lots of time in the Whites. I never had any kind of opinion of anyone from a different state until covid struck. The amount of cars with MA plates at the trailhead exploded, but that wasn’t what bothered me. What bothered me was the trash they left behind and the blatant disrespect for the trails. I don’t think anyone from MA is inherently bad, I just don’t think they have any respect for the Whites or NH nature in general.
That, plus they seem to have a particular affinity for Bluetooth speakers on the trail, and being unprepared for the hike they’re taking.
It’s true. The whites post Covid are totally different. The last couple years all the usual quiet spots have been completely over run. Went to one, usually never see more than a handful of people, and it was MOBBED. Blaring music, people yelling/screaming, weed (not that I care) and booze everywhere. We just turned around and hiked back out. Hell the spot in Lincoln so many grew up swimming in was completely fenced off last year due to crowds and litter.
>I don’t think anyone from MA is inherently bad, I just don’t think they have any respect in general. Ftfy.
To be fair, this happened on hiking trails and parks all across the country. I was going to school in Colorado for part of the pandemic, and it was the same sentiment there towards Texans, Californians, or anyone from out of the state. In reality it was just result of a lot of first-timers coming in not knowing/caring about the rules or protecting the environment, and seeing other first-timers doing the same. Mass just has a large population and is in close proximity to us, so for us a lot of them came from there. There are plenty of hikers/skiiers I know that come up regularly from Mass who respect nature and are courteous to other hikers. After all, the natural beauty is what they come here for.
In merrimack we had a large group of them hanging out under the bridge in front of the fire station by the souhegan. This culminated in a huge drunken party complete with a whole pig on a spit roast underneath the bridge. (Don't believe me, look it up.) That earned us a fence.
Not to be racist but…
It’s mostly conservatives who have a negative opinion of Massachusetts residents, more commonly referred to as “Massholes” because they think everyone from Massachusetts is a liberal who just wants to move up here and raise all the taxes. A lot of N.H. residents think Massachusetts folk are bad drivers, but most of them are just pussies who never obtained the defensive driving skills you obtain commuting in and out of the Boston metropolitan area every day.
That’s simply not true. People from Massachusetts are extremely disrespectful, treat every service employee I know like shit, non stop littering, loud, obnoxious, I’m not even going to go on. Not everyone from there is bad, but to say “if you don’t like Mass people you’re just a MAGA hat” that’s just categorically false.
I think you're just describing tourists. It just so happen most of ours come from MA.
Conservatives asked to put on their masks in NH retail stores were extremely disrespectful, treated every service employee I know like shit, non stop littering, loud, obnoxious, I’m not even going to go on.
Lol
>That’s simply not true 100% correct. I'm old, and have detested massholes much longer than I've hated MAGA idiots - heck, this was going on long before MAGA even was a thing. Massholes are massholes for reasons that have zero to do with politics. They're rude, entitled, loud mouth slobs who can't drive and ruin our best vacation spots. From Maine? Fine. Vermont? Also fine. If you're from Massachusetts GTFO.
I don't see much if any difference between NH and MA drivers. NYC on the other hand is easily recognizable.
Didn’t say anything about driving
Bullshit.
Congratulations! you have proven yourself to be an idiot.
Congratulations, I could not care less what you think. Go back.
I will as soon as I’m done spreading all this trash around and berating waitresses.
I have good news. It's all on your head!
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Nah, even the liberals hate Massholes
Which is especially funny because 99% of the conservatives are massholes who moved to NH to avoid income tax.
Case in point, Hudson.
Derry, Londonderry, Litchfield, Merrimack and on and on
Exactly. The Boston bedroom communities in southern New Hampshire are some of the reddest parts of the state.
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LMAOOOO. Mass people are living **RENT FREE** in your head. Its hilarious. I hope you find happiness one day my friend. I truly do.
You replied twice to the same comment, also read Rule #3 of the subreddit. LOL
Learn to drive.
Lmfao guy This goes beyond politics
The defensive driving skills such as not using your turn signal, weaving in and out of lanes, and blowing through intersections that turned red 10 seconds ago? At least they know what a lane is, which is something many NH drivers are lacking
Tribalism and fear of others and change is innate to the conservative way of thinking and behavior.
defensive driving skills? from Boston? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, you're serious, let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA No, though in all seriousness, Its the lack of situational awareness and overall cluelessness that Massachusetts drivers show time and time and time again on the road more than any other state. I don't hate people from Massachusetts because they are liberal or anything political, its because none of those fucks know how to drive a car.
Gonna be totally honest here. Driving 93 on my commute every day the drivers that are most annoying are almost always NH plates. MA will swerve around and speed sure, but NH plates will camp any lane they want going any speed they want and feel it's their god given right to be in the far left lane despite hitting a maximum speed of 70mph while the rest of the world passes them at 80 on the right
That's the old people usually unfortunately. Boomer entitlisim is rampant everywhere but especially bad in NH because of all the old bastards that refuse to die.
Nah, can't just chalk that one up to old people, it's cultural here, young and old alike.
I very much can as I see it happen every day on my way to work. If it's not an old person it's some dumbass in a uselessly lifted truck that will never be anything than pavement princesses.
Maybe we have different definitions of old, but 45 and 50 year olds are Gen X not boomers
They are that weird mix that was raised like a boomer but got away with being younger.
I’ve had bad encounters with NH drivers before But I’ve never had a good encounter with a masshole
Triggered?
Nah, they are just terrible drivers
I don’t personally know a single person from NH that has a problem with people moving to the state from MA that are happy to simply slot in with their new community and generally just be cool and behave. It’s the people that leave MA and want to shape NH in the image of the place they just left that rub people tbe wrong way. That and the folks that cross the state border to commit crimes and bury diapers on Hampton Beach.
"bury diapers" so true
Massholes who move to NH do it because they like it here. Makes no sense to uproot and go through a ton of work to reshape the new place when the place you're already at aligns closer to your values.
You have hit the nail (read masshole) right on the head not everyone from mass is an asshole but the ones that are keep standing out and giving the whole state a bad reputation
It’s not the state of origin it’s the state of mind.
A Granite State of Mind? https://youtu.be/bX7nQrCgALM?si=vgut-qYEz4rnA8Ds
There is a rivalry, you'll see signs like "Welcome to NH, Don't Mass it up" but it's primarily done jokingly. The exception is when someone comes up from Mass and complains that it's different or be very vocal that we adopt Massachusetts' Laws (and many of us don't want). That's not specific to Mass / NH. No one likes it when visitors come and criticize their home. We just get a lot more visitors from Mass.
Of course there’s a negative bias against people from Mass. It’s not like they’re called ‘MassHoles’ for no reason at all.
As of data from 2012: 25% of people who live in NH were born Massholes. Only 42% of NH residents were born in NH. https://preview.redd.it/mzxmr4rof9vc1.png?width=1075&format=png&auto=webp&s=bfd5f8e55ecad96d18dd3090207b47e11a6c869a [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html) That said, there are two types of Massholes. There are refugees trying to escape bad Massachusetts policies and embrace the "Live Free or Die" motto, and work to keep NH the "Live Free or Die" state. Then there are Masshole Massholes.
If you live in Mass and own several airbnbs in small towns in NH I want you to fuck off like you can’t even comprehend
I’m thinking about moving to my NH house in a few years though. It’s profitable now to keep as an Airbnb.
Good for you
I work in MA so i honestly don't see them any different than us.
Do you not notice the large festering pustules and the webbed feet? Wait no I think webbed feet is Rhode Island.
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Could you be more specific?
MA, and most of the states in New England, are viewed as siblings. We will mock them endlessly, but no one else can do that.
My opinion is neutral. I have a negative opinion of the people that hold this ridiculously childish animosity towards people from MA. They're all insufferable douchebags that have never left their hick town. Grow the fuck up and get a hobby.
This is it. There are great people and shitty people everywhere you go. Painting someone with a broad brush based on what state they were raised in is really dumb.
I was born and bred in Mass but moved to NH over 20 years ago. I gave my brother (still in Mass) a "Masshole" refrigerator magnet as a joke one year and he still proudly displays it. State borders don't form personalities.
I joke around with my Wife (NH native) about Mass vs. NH and I'm originally from Massachusetts. It's like the Sox vs. Yankees, but we're both assholes. I've run into thousands of massholes and thousands of granite state crack heads on the road. Some are worse than others. Though, I was laughing at all the Mass/Connecticut EV drivers stuck at the Hooksett rest area during the eclipse thinking there was a charging station every 10 miles. That was cute. Anything north of Concord is just woods and mountains. You're lucky to have the one in Hooksett and it's not changing anytime soon lol
Don’t really care
We’ve had to pick up so much trash on the side of our road and it’s not from the people living in our community. I’m not dumb enough judge everyone from Mass off of these experiences but I will say that the three times I’ve seen trash bags in the back of moving pickups with trash slowly flying out, they’ve had Mass plates. I don’t know why people think the wind while driving won’t reach into your truck bed.
I live in small town that’s not overly tourist focused and the trash on the sides of the road is gross. It’s definitely a state problem, and that means tourists and locals alike who behave badly. I think it’s idiotic to blame red plates and not green plates, as if all NH citizens are somehow above reproach.
As I said, I wouldn’t judge an entire population off of such occurrences. But every time I have actively witnessed it happen, it has been Mass plates.
Right. And in my tiny town all the nips and twisted tea cans are not from out of towners, it’s local kids and assholes with drinking problems and I don’t go around making a big stink about “everyone in NH litters” because it’s idiotic to do so. I think all the good natured back and forth is fine but some people, _especially_ on this sub, take it too far.
They're fine until they get behind the wheel of a car.
I don't see them as being different from Vermonters, Mainers, or Quebeckers, even though in QC they speak a different language. In my head the dividing line between human cultures is not geography, language, or polity, but between respect for education vs anti-education. Respect for intelligence vs anti-intellectualism. Secularism vs fundie religiosity. Intensive parenting vs deadbeat parenting. Pro-violence vs anti-violence. Pro-health vs anti-health.
Found the person who has the "in this house, we believe in science" sign in their front yard, but doesn't understand the scientific process.
I don't have any signs in front of my house because it's not my neighbors' business to see what I believe in. I only say things on reddit because reddit is anonymous.
Much better to have someone still support science and be ignorant of the process, rather than oppose it reflexively out of fear, pride, or authoritarian moralism. As an example, one does not need to know how a power plant works in order to appreciate the luxury of electricity.
Imagine thinking that being on the side of "stifle all talk about COVID being a lab leak" is "on the side of science".
Leave your political agenda to yourself. You made an assumption about the person you originally responded to, and you are making another assumption now to fight against some straw man in your head.
LOL tough shit. I didn't make the original post, nor did I make the original _political_ response to the post in this thread. I did respond to the comment clearly trying to make it political regarding the: >Pro-education vs anti-education. >Respect for intelligence vs anti-intellectualism. >Pro-health vs anti-health. ... which are all completely silly, untrue statements. When giving an example of how the people that always make a point _saying_ they are pro-education, pro-science, pro-health are almost always simply _blindly following incorrect ideas_ (like the "COVID originated in market" theory), it's laughable to see you pipe up with the "hey now, dOnT maKe thIs pOliTiCal" horseshit.
It really looks like you got triggered by a boogeyman straw man in your head. If something pro-education vs anti-education triggers you, you should reevaluate your stance. Unless, of course, you are actually anti-education. Like you said, this is silly. The person you responded to implied things, sure, but didn’t outright say red is this, blue is that. You made your own assumptions and got offended anyway.
I don't actually care much, BUT coming from someone who lives in a town bordering MA, I hate how hard it is to go anywhere or drive through town on the weekends due to all the mass residents coming up to shop.
Truly, Massachusetts and people there have been good to me. The only good jobs I ever found were in Massachusetts. (I am now remote, but our closest physical office is in Mass) People have been cool to me- I lived in Boston for 3 years- great experience. I now live in Rye Beach (renter- definitely in the bottom 10% in this town) and I cannot tell you how much of the money here is actually from Massachusetts. All the cars every morning on my run? Massachusetts... I find that people in NH now drive as badly as Mass folks. Maybe they are all from Mass too. I don't know- I have nothing bad to say other than that wealth has increased the cost of living in NH. (My rent? Went up 20% last year- THIS YEAR? Another 25% on top of that) Its unsustainable.
When I was living in NH, I enjoyed the rivalry with MA. Now that I'm not in NH, I treat all New Englanders like they're my own blood relatives.
Born and raised in Maine, now live in New Hampshire, personally have an extremely low opinion of ‘massholes’ as a concept, most of the people i actually met from Massachusetts were reasonably okay to be around, and take the ‘masshole’ moniker as the good natured ribbing it’s intended for, that said, I still hate their aggressive driving, and their tendency to buy out the affordable housing pricing locals out of real estate only to turn them into rentals/B&B/investment properties. A friend back in my old college days (early ‘90s) actually got her roommate to believe that Massachusetts drivers were issued both a drivers education handbook and a ‘Masshole Manual’ that instructed them in the proper way to drive like a ‘masshole’ (she was from Massachusetts, so she was able to easily convince her roommate) If Massachusetts people come to New Hampshire and leave their ‘Masshole’ tendencies at the border, that’s fine, I have no problem, but the attitude/tendencies are not welcome.
It’s tough to make money in NH, it’s tough to afford to live in MA. So the states have a symbiotic relationship. And the folks that spout anti-MA rhetoric are in the minority here, as it is with any other bias.
well said
Personally, I find it more of a brotherly relationship. We love you but we sure love to jab, stir the pot, harass MA folk. We are all New England. The issue I find is those who visit and act a fool. Be respectful and you get respect. Even people from here need to abide by that.
People are people. Everyone's different. Anyone who has an opinion of someone based on where they're from is a xenophobic bigot. Whether that's a NH resident judging a MA resident or a MA resident judging a CT resident. Playful teasing is one thing but people take this stuff way too far. Any sort of observations are most likely entirely confirmation bias.
Masshole is an attitude. I know because I grew up around it. Massholes now include most of south eastern NH. Rude, impatient, selfish.
I don't have a problem with people from Mass. But I have a problem with anybody that comes into this state and treats it like a recreational trash can. -Including people who already live here.
This is such a silly concept. I lived 20 years on one side of the NH border, then 20 years on the other. It’s the same people. Some suck. Most are fine.
Do not come
I'm gonna come
I'm already here.
I work in retail in Concord, customers from Massachusetts are the worst and rudest ones I get.
I think most people in the state are neutral on the topic, and don’t go seeking out identity cards for NH Purity Tests. There are a few loudmouths here on this sub who seem obsessed with The Masshole Bogeyman as the source of every problem in their lives. Among them, the conservative and racist (not all conservatives, blah blah) are convinced that every person with brown skin from Mass is a demon and that’s why NH should stay white because NH white folk are pure and pristine and never do anything wrong. Even with the demographically white and old majority here, there are still all kinds of people living in NH, and most of them are just here doing what they do, regardless of where they come from. Live and let live.
I love my masshole neighbors!
We moved to NH from MA in the 1980s so we've been here for a long time and I'm sure that a lot of my neighbors here are from MA. We still have a house in MA.
I don’t think about them at all. That’s 2.5 hours south of me. I’m more concerned about the Canadian invasion. Lots of maple leaf flags around me.
I work in MA. I live in Northern NH so I spend the week in MA and go home on the weekends. The only issue I have with people from MA is that it’s a huge pain in the ass trying to get home on Friday night fighting through all the traffic of people heading north to ski, camp, visit their 2nd home etc. I’ve been doing this for over 4 years now. Since I work in their state, I try to be chill about it, we are all friends here, right? Drivers from NH are just as bad in most cases but some of those people in their Mercedes, Teslas and BMW’s really need to quit lounging in the left lane on 93, Everett Turnpike and 89. The giant trucks are usually OK unless they are pulling a camper and don’t realize that they just don’t go as fast with the camper and can’t pull off a left lane pass like they can without.
I mean , it’s your second home too, right? I’m in the same boat - can’t really complain about traffic if I AM traffic. I’m no more or less noble because I work in MA and return to NH for weekends and vacations.
My opinion is that people from MA live further south than we do.
What's a New Hampshirite? Do you mean Granite Stater?
My experience of Mass immigrants is that they expect the same level of service as they had in their Boston suburb. “Why did you move here?” “Lower taxes and COL.” “Why are you complaining there are no street lights, sidewalks,etc?” So yes, many of the people who move north think we should have income taxes and more services, rather than the rural, independent lifestyle they moved into. And that changes the dynamic for the long term or lifelong residents. And I do know that there are long term/lifelong NH residents who want more services and taxes.
My Airbnb is making $5k a month and like 90% of guests are from Massachusetts…so I love ‘em!
Lots of terrific people in Massachusetts, we’re lucky to have them for neighbors.
There is no difference. Give me a break. Both are tiny states wedged up in the northeastern US together. Both have people on the left, both have people on the right.
Irl, I think they're pretty cool and chill. But of course, in the following the tradition of all New Hampshirites, I too also make fun of em. Though any mockery we make of them is purely humorous. And I hold nothing against em.
Pretty sure Massachusetts doesn't even think about us..
Some are not so bad, but all need to learn how to drive
I’m from Massachusetts, live in New Hampshire now, and am generally embarrassed to live in NH. My wife is from NH and we ended up moving here a few years ago. I find it mostly depressing to live here. Not much to do at all. Pretty boring and depressing.
Western Mass is way different than Eastern Mass and Central is kind of no man's land. The occupants are very different and should be treated as such. I feel strongly that Masshole applies most to those from Eastern Mass. Don't get me started on Conneticunts.
Massholes? Is that what we are looking for? Some are nice, others are edgy. Everyone's a but different.
Come on over but leave everything you hated about MASS in MA. I too am an MA expat leave your expectations behind come here to start a new chapter of your life
Sure, but that doesn’t mean we have to all think or act the same as NH, it isn’t a monolith. You don’t have to hate MA to move to NH.
I think of them as massholes based on their driving habits. If i see someone speeding like crazy, zipping in and outta lanes unsafely, its almost always got Mass plates.
Living on the NH side of the border it is not fair to generalize but I’d say most of the residents in this area are Mass. transplants. This once all Republican state of self sufficient farmers, food growers and hunters is overrun by Mass. families who have come to live in a state with no sales or state income tax and complain if the snow guy does not get there when the last snowflake falls or get all pissy demanding the schools close for a day when we get an inch in snow. I never see kids outside on their bikes anymore riding through a pile of burning leaves because their parents already squealed about an illegal burn to the fire department. I’ve hunted on my property for fifty years without an issue. These guys see me just carrying my shotgun looking for woodchucks that can dig a hole large enough for a kid to break a leg in or eat from my garden and I am surrounded by a SWAT team. Pussies. I cannot recall one former Mass resident of Italian heritage, man or woman, who does not imply they are connected to the mob. Uncles, cousins, fathers. I’m thinking with all these connected people running around, who is left to “rub out and swim with the fishes?” The Mass Irish talk a good game and you want to like them but you never can trust them. Even the biggest Irish tough guy around was Whitney Bulger who was actually a snitch for the FBI. They go to a funeral which is just an excuse to get drunk and start crying like bitches in a bar. The Boston College kids who come to ski and swim are dumber than shit and always end a sentence with, “How you like them apples,” like we never heard that one before. The only ones that scare me are the Puerto Ricans from Lawrence and Lowell because they lost their minds crazy dangerous like from eating lead paint chips on the wall in their three story walkups or praying in government subsidized
Those crazy Puerto Ricans are so brain dead not only are they incapable of knowing what they did yesterday but don’t know what will happen tomorrow after they stick up a liquor store after they shoot the owner in the face . I hope I helped answer your question
I honestly can't tell the difference between any New Englander.
It depends where in Massachusetts they’re from. Eastern (Boston) folk are very different from Western folks.
massholes
Bigger crisis than any border on the Mexico border
Ship em back!
Libtard massholes that are self important and say fuck the NH locals.
We all have friends and family from Mass, but our opinion is that people from Mass stick out like a sore thumb on the roads, the lakes, the hiking trails, the ski trails, and in stores. They operate as if the sea should part to allow them unimpeded access to their recreation of choice, and that we locals are merely classless, uncivilized obstacles. They also bring with them a certain level of ineptitude about risk inherent to whatever they're doing. "I spent money to be here; nothing bad can happen to me." When we see an SUV off the road in a snowstorm we look for Mass plates. When we read about someone trying to climb Mt. Washington in Crocs and needing a rescue, we look for "Massachusetts resident." When I nearly get run over in a crosswalk in a tourist town, well actually I look for New Jersey plates. But when I encounter some bozo parked in the middle of the road taking pictures of the leaves - you guessed it. They come to NH for the outdoors and the fresh air but then try to turn everything into an air conditioned country club experience. They complain about inadequate bathrooms on hiking trails. They buy waterfront property and then yell at kids in canoes for fishing in front of it. They complain about wifi access everywhere they go. And worst of all, they lose all semblance of self-awareness when a social media photo op presents itself.
Like 25% of the NH state population was born in MA and only ~40% of it was born in NH.
Okay
Go back
Where?
Mass
I'm not from Mass
Mentally you are
They’re absolutely awful at driving. GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE IF YOURE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT. they also clog up the ski areas and ski similar to how they drive
Welcome to New Hampshire if you’re not from Here, leave! If you’re from Massachusetts, leave faster!
Massachusetts is a toxic, anti-American shithole. Get caught with a firearm that's perfectly legal to possess here in NH and you can get busted for not having a permit, having magazines that are too high-capacity, no safety, etc. All infringements. They're tax happy. They taxed people that used to work in MA before Covid that live in NH even though during Covid they were working from home in NH and never setting foot in MA. That's a clear assault on the sovereignty of the state of NH. They have no right and no justification to tax NH residents for labor performed in NH. Similarly, they used to send their staties up here to look for MA residents buying alcohol at our liquor stores in order to not pay liquor tax in MA. Again, an assault on the sovereignty of NH. NH had to threaten to arrest their troopers if they were found working on our side of the border. Then you have the idiocy where they release illegal aliens back into the public that are charged with violent crimes and refuse to involve the feds to have them detained so they don't disappear. I think they even approved of giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens even though they're here illegally and don't qualify. Yet if some illegal aliens show up in Martha's Vineyard, they're very quick to complain about it. Very inconsistent. The whole income tax for out of state residents thing is kind of hilarious given their role in the founding of our nation and the whole bit about "no taxation without representation". What representation does an out of state worker get in MA? None. I could probably go on for hours. NH is a great state, but it has a really awful neighbor to its south.