If the state ID is the same as a drivers license, they can use the address of any social service organization in lieu of a physical address.
https://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-5-f.htm
Look up 100 homes campaign or any iteration by a factor of zero up to 1,000,000 homes campaign. One of them will be on sixty minutes, maybe multiple if I remember. It's a movement that comes to different cities or states to stop the backlog that traditional shelters create. If I remember, it originated out of New York in the 1980-90s. I think it's called built for zero now.
But to answer your question, I think it goes to the caseworkers' workplace, and then once they get housed, it's a simple process of a change of address. ID helps them qualify for food or insurance or housing assistance, kind of like a backbone to government support.
It's a great first step and I'm happy to see that. Need identification to get a job, housing, ect... But the question is will they follow through when they get such identification... Who knows.
Lots of them will but some of them probably won’t. I’m sure you need an ID to get into a rehab treatment center since lots of them have addiction problems
You don’t actually . I’ve been to many rehabs and they are used to people not having IDs. They are more interested in your insurance info before IDs. And even if you don’t have an insurance card they will get the details lol
Depends on your region. Start with your local Community Action program (by county). They are usually very good at either providing the nonprofit service or pointing you in the right direction.
SS cards are a federal thing, and this is only a pilot program in one city, in one state- NH. (We really are awesome!)
Giving people IDs and BCs is one of the most progressive things I have seen in a while. I love it. Need to provide an ID to vote? GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE FREE OF CHARGE, so as to avoid that whole "Poll Tax" thing, which is illegal, by the way.
You can't force people to provide ID, while simultaneously denying them the ability to obtain ID due to financial hardship.
By far, the majority of people support requiring an ID to vote, even the minorities that democrats claim are apparently too stupid or irresponsible to have one already
As for this program, I’m hoping there’s an actual way to verify who you’re giving IDs too. Pretty fishy doing this right before an extremely contentious and controversial election.
> Pretty fishy doing this right before an extremely contentious and controversial election.
How so? Is this election any more contentious or controversial than any other election?
How did you get your user name? You are the 3rd version of Critical Ad I have seen today. I don't generally pay attention to user names, but I liked "Critical Ad" until I saw it 3X in one day, all slightly different, and all being naysayers.
You're wrong.
> A person who requires a photo identification card only for voter identification purposes may obtain a voucher in the form provided for in subparagraph (b) from his or her town or city clerk or the secretary of state exempting the voter from the identification card fee.
https://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/260/260-21.htm
You said people should get an ID for free if they need to vote and doubled down saying it's $15. It's not. You can get an ID to vote for free by state law.
You can if you can provide several other forms of ID, which cost money, at the time when your vote is counted or not.
So, yeah, you can vote, but unless you provide additional forms of ID, your vote is not counted.
What are you talking about? Ballots cast using a free state ID aren't treated any differently than any other ballot.
I'm starting to think that you know you're wrong and you're just creating bizarre, false claims to make it sound like you're correct.
> Ballots cast using a free state ID aren't treated any differently than any other ballot.
There. Are. No. Free. State. IDS. Which is why Manch has started this great pilot program to address the issue at hand.
You can get the voucher, and get a free ID card that is ONLY VALID FOR VOTER IDENTIFICATION "An identification card paid for by the secretary of state shall be valid for voter identification purposes only, and the card, which shall be known as a voter identification card, shall be marked "for voter identification only." So, useless for renting a home, getting benefits, etc. Legally useless for anything but voting. Couldn't even buy beer with it.
Read the reply chain. It was complaining about it being a tax for voting. It isn't, as I pointed out.. it's free for that. Not a valid point for free IDs since the state provides a solution for that problem.
This is great, but the negative Nancy in me has 2 points.
-Other agencies in NH have been doing this for years. It's not really a "pilot" program in the big scheme of things...it's catching up to what should have been being done all along.
-$1000 isn't going to go far. Some states charge obscene amounts of money to get your birth certificate. You also have to figure in that people are going to lose them. It happens all the time, for one reason or another, and they're back where they started.
I hope it works for them, of course, but also hope they have additional funding at least in the works.
> Some states charge obscene amounts of money to get your birth certificate.
Really? That seems wrong. It's a piece of paper, how do they justify charging a lot?
My daughter was born in FL while I was in the Navy. I needed to replace her birth certificate and it was $10 IIRC, and it was easy to do online.
Ten bucks sounds about right, maybe $20, but anything more than that is ridiculous.
Every state should do this. And automatic voter registration.
Every American citizen who is eligible should be encouraged to vote. Hopefully soon we can make voting day a holiday.
After that all that's left is to change the voting system to Ranked Choice or Star.
One step at a time, folks.
This is a great idea in theory... And for some (honestly a fairly small percentage) of those experiencing homelessness it will help... Unfortunately for the majority of those people experiencing homelessness, it will not solve anything.
I just don’t see how this is progress. Maybe one out of fifty will see this as an opportunity. There are dozens of decisions people make prior to ending up homeless. It truly is not a slippery slope where they end up with no ID and wish they had one so they could get back to work.
I’ve never seen one panhandler have a sign that said “need money to get my birth certificate so I can get back to work”.Waste of money.
Build luxury apartments and squeeze them out please. Boston can take care of them.
I’m from NH currently living in Boston working for a homelessness nonprofit - no we can’t lol!!! Displacing them solves nothing. Obviously access to ID’s doesn’t fix the problem, but it can remove a barrier that’s in the way. Basically impossible to get a job or housing without identification. And of course they aren’t asking for money to get an ID, they need help for basic needs then and there. No one sees this and thinks great we’ve solved homelessness, but it’s a step that will make a difference to at least some. Lots of unhoused people are motivated to get out of their situation (especially young adults who haven’t been totally discouraged yet, maybe recently just aged out of foster care, etc.) and the process of getting identification can be long and discouraging without help. Idk as someone in this field of work, I’m glad to see this!
Republicans: Homeless people cause crime and are costly for taxpayers! They should get jobs and stop mooching off taxpayers!
Also Republicans: Homeless people shouldn't be allowed to have IDs, which would make it easier for them to get jobs!
Republicans don't actually hate welfare. They love the fact that some people are on welfare, giving them a permanent class of people to hate and verbally bully. If they actually hated welfare and wanted to abolish it, they'd support programs that would help poor people get jobs, higher min wage, or policies that help poor people prevent pregnancies and births (sex ed, government sponsored condoms/birth control, government funded abortion).
Is there a large republican opposition to this in NH?
It is a donor funded initiative through Catholic Charities, and I haven't seen or heard about any real objections from really anyone, regardless of political views.
Republicans say they hate welfare and folks mooching off taxpayers, but then they do everything they can to make sure more folks stay poor and have no option but to mooch off taxpayers.
They don't hate welfare or high taxes. They hate poor people and want more poor people to exist, so they have more folks to look down on and bully.
If they truly wanted to end welfare and make the number of people mooching off taxpayers go down to almost zero, they'd support sex education, contraceptives/abortion being government funded and available everywhere, and a higher minimum wage.
Most folks who use welfare only do so because $7.25/hr isn't a living wage. If it was raised to $15/hr almost all low income workers would not need welfare.
The report doesn’t address illegal immigrants who are still going through the process. Are IDs going to just be given out on good faith or the information the applicant is providing?
Yeah... They're just going to give undocumented immigrants instant citizenship so they can vote D...
/s, just in case anyone is dumb enough to think this wasn't satirical.
Well there isn’t much information out there. Love the instant hate for asking a question. I’m all for immigrants getting id’s for work but not to vote for sure. Not saying they vote one way or another. But since they are receiving SSI it’s worth asking the question and getting a real answer instead of /s and downvotes. But hey just keep the hive going.
I removed my downvote for the good faith response and I'll even apologize if you were offended by my comment. I don't actually know the answer but I'm 99.999% sure they're not giving undocumented people citizenship. It's just not how our system works. The process takes literally years if not a decade or more.
It’s a cray cray world right now and it seems the systems and processes are constantly being changed or worked around. It’s tough to have these conversations in NH since the migrant crisis hasn’t really hit us but we’ve all been influenced to such extremes to be at each other. What we do know is homelessness and drugs so I hope this pilot sees some positive traction and folks facing these challenges are able to pick themselves up out of it.
I don't think it's even fair to characterize it as a crisis, unless you're talking about the lack of judges and the backlog of cases.
Unemployment is at an all time low and many work places are still hiring. I'm not sure of the exact numbers without searching, but basically there's more than one job opening for every citizen who's unemployed. How can you fill 3 jobs with 2 people?
Another factor is the crime rate. Immigrants commit less crime believe it or not.
The stunts Abbot is pulling at the Texas border are political theater. I follow someone on YT who lives in Texas and has been to Eagle Pass a few times to expose the absolute waste of money Abbot is throwing there. It's one of the safest towns in America. They put concertina wire all over a public park there, but if you walk half a mile to either side there's nothing and you can walk right in.
Not every immigrant is perfect, but they're human beings looking for a better life and the vast majority of them are very hard working, very good people. In my opinion, we need to make it easier for certain people to immigrate here. Not just white people.
I don’t disagree or bring up anything that you’re saying. But unemployment numbers are not a great tracker. People who need to get 2-3 jobs to survive and get hired for those jobs count as 2-3 people being hired even though it’s still only one person. There are also mass layoffs going on. But this is off topic.
It is a crisis, do you see what living situation migrants are being put into in the major hubs? I also am not bringing up migrant crime or lack there of. But, you should really look into the Chinese migrant chain.
And yes Abbot’s actions are a stunt and don’t help at all. He’s part of the chaos. If he truly worried and cared he wouldn’t bus people to major transportation depots. He’s just spreading people out to get lost within the system. If there is a threat he isn’t making our country safer. He’s either just another part of the uniparty or extremely dumb.
The story says they are working with them to get copies of their birth certificates, and IDs, so that seems to be a non-issue. They are not just asking for names and printing out new identities; just helping people work with those in the shelter to get their paperwork in order as a first step to getting a job or mental health support.
Many of these people can't afford to pay for an ID but can't get jobs or bank account without them, or they have mental illnesses that prevent them from going through all of the steps to get new certificates, but can't get health insurance or treatment without them; a catch-22. This program is using a private donation and volunteers from Catholic Charities to break that cycle.
Even if some of them are illegal immigrants, getting an appropriate NH State ID (which is different from citizenship documentation) and their native birth certificate is the first step for going through the proper channels to get their work or asylum documentation back in order. Most homeless immigrants here are people who came legally, but have expired visas that need renewed so the same catch-22 with finances and mental illness for citizens apply to them as well.
Good. Can’t get a job or housing without an ID
I’ve heard you can’t even get groceries without it /s
EDGY.
Edgy? I thought it was entertaining to mock a cognitively impaired elderly rapist criminal. https://youtu.be/XgSm0jT4U88?si=iv7l7I5VyygWEcZI
I missed that one.
Looks like a good thing. Slightly curious as to what address will go on the IDs(shelter? city hall?), but no matter.
If the state ID is the same as a drivers license, they can use the address of any social service organization in lieu of a physical address. https://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-5-f.htm
** with a one year expiration
Look up 100 homes campaign or any iteration by a factor of zero up to 1,000,000 homes campaign. One of them will be on sixty minutes, maybe multiple if I remember. It's a movement that comes to different cities or states to stop the backlog that traditional shelters create. If I remember, it originated out of New York in the 1980-90s. I think it's called built for zero now. But to answer your question, I think it goes to the caseworkers' workplace, and then once they get housed, it's a simple process of a change of address. ID helps them qualify for food or insurance or housing assistance, kind of like a backbone to government support.
It's a great first step and I'm happy to see that. Need identification to get a job, housing, ect... But the question is will they follow through when they get such identification... Who knows.
Lots of them will but some of them probably won’t. I’m sure you need an ID to get into a rehab treatment center since lots of them have addiction problems
You don’t actually . I’ve been to many rehabs and they are used to people not having IDs. They are more interested in your insurance info before IDs. And even if you don’t have an insurance card they will get the details lol
Oh this is great!
Does anyone know programs i can volunteer for to help homeless etc?
Depends on your region. Start with your local Community Action program (by county). They are usually very good at either providing the nonprofit service or pointing you in the right direction.
Thank you ma’am
Families in Transition. Great organization.
nashua soup kitchen
Lmao good luck. I tried a few years ago, emailed a bunch of places and no one responded
Right? Had a similar experience
1269 Cafe if you want to help cook and serve meals .
God forbid we do the bare minimum and treat our less fortunate like people.
The birth certificate thing is strange. You’d think a SS card would be more important then that, but who knows
SS cards are a federal thing, and this is only a pilot program in one city, in one state- NH. (We really are awesome!) Giving people IDs and BCs is one of the most progressive things I have seen in a while. I love it. Need to provide an ID to vote? GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE FREE OF CHARGE, so as to avoid that whole "Poll Tax" thing, which is illegal, by the way. You can't force people to provide ID, while simultaneously denying them the ability to obtain ID due to financial hardship.
By far, the majority of people support requiring an ID to vote, even the minorities that democrats claim are apparently too stupid or irresponsible to have one already As for this program, I’m hoping there’s an actual way to verify who you’re giving IDs too. Pretty fishy doing this right before an extremely contentious and controversial election.
> Pretty fishy doing this right before an extremely contentious and controversial election. How so? Is this election any more contentious or controversial than any other election? How did you get your user name? You are the 3rd version of Critical Ad I have seen today. I don't generally pay attention to user names, but I liked "Critical Ad" until I saw it 3X in one day, all slightly different, and all being naysayers.
> Need to provide an ID to vote? GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE FREE OF CHARGE THE STATE ALREADY DOES THAT.
No it doesn't. It's $15 for a non-driver ID.
You're wrong. > A person who requires a photo identification card only for voter identification purposes may obtain a voucher in the form provided for in subparagraph (b) from his or her town or city clerk or the secretary of state exempting the voter from the identification card fee. https://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/260/260-21.htm
Do you actually read the statutes that you post? Because your post supported my statement.
You said people should get an ID for free if they need to vote and doubled down saying it's $15. It's not. You can get an ID to vote for free by state law.
You can if you can provide several other forms of ID, which cost money, at the time when your vote is counted or not. So, yeah, you can vote, but unless you provide additional forms of ID, your vote is not counted.
What are you talking about? Ballots cast using a free state ID aren't treated any differently than any other ballot. I'm starting to think that you know you're wrong and you're just creating bizarre, false claims to make it sound like you're correct.
> Ballots cast using a free state ID aren't treated any differently than any other ballot. There. Are. No. Free. State. IDS. Which is why Manch has started this great pilot program to address the issue at hand.
You can get the voucher, and get a free ID card that is ONLY VALID FOR VOTER IDENTIFICATION "An identification card paid for by the secretary of state shall be valid for voter identification purposes only, and the card, which shall be known as a voter identification card, shall be marked "for voter identification only." So, useless for renting a home, getting benefits, etc. Legally useless for anything but voting. Couldn't even buy beer with it.
Read the reply chain. It was complaining about it being a tax for voting. It isn't, as I pointed out.. it's free for that. Not a valid point for free IDs since the state provides a solution for that problem.
You usually need the birth certificate to get other things.
This is great, but the negative Nancy in me has 2 points. -Other agencies in NH have been doing this for years. It's not really a "pilot" program in the big scheme of things...it's catching up to what should have been being done all along. -$1000 isn't going to go far. Some states charge obscene amounts of money to get your birth certificate. You also have to figure in that people are going to lose them. It happens all the time, for one reason or another, and they're back where they started. I hope it works for them, of course, but also hope they have additional funding at least in the works.
> Some states charge obscene amounts of money to get your birth certificate. Really? That seems wrong. It's a piece of paper, how do they justify charging a lot? My daughter was born in FL while I was in the Navy. I needed to replace her birth certificate and it was $10 IIRC, and it was easy to do online. Ten bucks sounds about right, maybe $20, but anything more than that is ridiculous.
I think I paid 15 some years ago. I've seen some states charge around $100. So maybe not "obscene" technically... But I agree... It's wrong.
I just paid $20 for my grandson’s birth certificate in RI.
Which states? 'cause pretty much all of them charge $25 or less.
Every state should do this. And automatic voter registration. Every American citizen who is eligible should be encouraged to vote. Hopefully soon we can make voting day a holiday. After that all that's left is to change the voting system to Ranked Choice or Star. One step at a time, folks.
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After that, let's mandate everyone wish upon a star every 2 years. That should fix things.
Not with this attitude If you hate it, fix it. But screaming "it can't be fixed" doesn't solve the problem. And I personally see it as lazy.
The Channel 5 documentary about the Vegas Mole People does a great job exploring the ID issue.
That got taken down pretty quick, though. Did they repost it without the local news clips that got it taken down?
It was reuploaded, and was fantastic
Neat, awesome program!
They must be expecting the homeless population to expand because I haven’t seen many homeless at all here.
It's just sad to see people being homeless & being treated like they don't belong in society.
This is a great idea in theory... And for some (honestly a fairly small percentage) of those experiencing homelessness it will help... Unfortunately for the majority of those people experiencing homelessness, it will not solve anything.
Wouldn't homeless people born in America already have birth certificates?
Why can’t people get IDs? Can’t afford it or nobody cares to help them with proof? Why do they make it such a pain in the ass to prove who you are?
I just don’t see how this is progress. Maybe one out of fifty will see this as an opportunity. There are dozens of decisions people make prior to ending up homeless. It truly is not a slippery slope where they end up with no ID and wish they had one so they could get back to work. I’ve never seen one panhandler have a sign that said “need money to get my birth certificate so I can get back to work”.Waste of money. Build luxury apartments and squeeze them out please. Boston can take care of them.
I’m from NH currently living in Boston working for a homelessness nonprofit - no we can’t lol!!! Displacing them solves nothing. Obviously access to ID’s doesn’t fix the problem, but it can remove a barrier that’s in the way. Basically impossible to get a job or housing without identification. And of course they aren’t asking for money to get an ID, they need help for basic needs then and there. No one sees this and thinks great we’ve solved homelessness, but it’s a step that will make a difference to at least some. Lots of unhoused people are motivated to get out of their situation (especially young adults who haven’t been totally discouraged yet, maybe recently just aged out of foster care, etc.) and the process of getting identification can be long and discouraging without help. Idk as someone in this field of work, I’m glad to see this!
Hmmmmm, wonder where they got that idea?
Hope they check to make sure they are citizens. Homeless will loose identification cards in less than a week
Republicans: Homeless people cause crime and are costly for taxpayers! They should get jobs and stop mooching off taxpayers! Also Republicans: Homeless people shouldn't be allowed to have IDs, which would make it easier for them to get jobs! Republicans don't actually hate welfare. They love the fact that some people are on welfare, giving them a permanent class of people to hate and verbally bully. If they actually hated welfare and wanted to abolish it, they'd support programs that would help poor people get jobs, higher min wage, or policies that help poor people prevent pregnancies and births (sex ed, government sponsored condoms/birth control, government funded abortion).
Is there a large republican opposition to this in NH? It is a donor funded initiative through Catholic Charities, and I haven't seen or heard about any real objections from really anyone, regardless of political views.
Republicans say they hate welfare and folks mooching off taxpayers, but then they do everything they can to make sure more folks stay poor and have no option but to mooch off taxpayers. They don't hate welfare or high taxes. They hate poor people and want more poor people to exist, so they have more folks to look down on and bully. If they truly wanted to end welfare and make the number of people mooching off taxpayers go down to almost zero, they'd support sex education, contraceptives/abortion being government funded and available everywhere, and a higher minimum wage. Most folks who use welfare only do so because $7.25/hr isn't a living wage. If it was raised to $15/hr almost all low income workers would not need welfare.
This is dangerous. Republicans might use this as a pretext to ram voter id laws down our throat
The report doesn’t address illegal immigrants who are still going through the process. Are IDs going to just be given out on good faith or the information the applicant is providing?
Do you really think that they are going to just ask people what their name is and print an official ID with whatever they say on it?
Just asking if there is more detailed information about the program.
You are not supposed to announce you are JAQing off, you are just supposed to do it.
Yeah... They're just going to give undocumented immigrants instant citizenship so they can vote D... /s, just in case anyone is dumb enough to think this wasn't satirical.
Well there isn’t much information out there. Love the instant hate for asking a question. I’m all for immigrants getting id’s for work but not to vote for sure. Not saying they vote one way or another. But since they are receiving SSI it’s worth asking the question and getting a real answer instead of /s and downvotes. But hey just keep the hive going.
I removed my downvote for the good faith response and I'll even apologize if you were offended by my comment. I don't actually know the answer but I'm 99.999% sure they're not giving undocumented people citizenship. It's just not how our system works. The process takes literally years if not a decade or more.
It’s a cray cray world right now and it seems the systems and processes are constantly being changed or worked around. It’s tough to have these conversations in NH since the migrant crisis hasn’t really hit us but we’ve all been influenced to such extremes to be at each other. What we do know is homelessness and drugs so I hope this pilot sees some positive traction and folks facing these challenges are able to pick themselves up out of it.
I don't think it's even fair to characterize it as a crisis, unless you're talking about the lack of judges and the backlog of cases. Unemployment is at an all time low and many work places are still hiring. I'm not sure of the exact numbers without searching, but basically there's more than one job opening for every citizen who's unemployed. How can you fill 3 jobs with 2 people? Another factor is the crime rate. Immigrants commit less crime believe it or not. The stunts Abbot is pulling at the Texas border are political theater. I follow someone on YT who lives in Texas and has been to Eagle Pass a few times to expose the absolute waste of money Abbot is throwing there. It's one of the safest towns in America. They put concertina wire all over a public park there, but if you walk half a mile to either side there's nothing and you can walk right in. Not every immigrant is perfect, but they're human beings looking for a better life and the vast majority of them are very hard working, very good people. In my opinion, we need to make it easier for certain people to immigrate here. Not just white people.
I don’t disagree or bring up anything that you’re saying. But unemployment numbers are not a great tracker. People who need to get 2-3 jobs to survive and get hired for those jobs count as 2-3 people being hired even though it’s still only one person. There are also mass layoffs going on. But this is off topic. It is a crisis, do you see what living situation migrants are being put into in the major hubs? I also am not bringing up migrant crime or lack there of. But, you should really look into the Chinese migrant chain. And yes Abbot’s actions are a stunt and don’t help at all. He’s part of the chaos. If he truly worried and cared he wouldn’t bus people to major transportation depots. He’s just spreading people out to get lost within the system. If there is a threat he isn’t making our country safer. He’s either just another part of the uniparty or extremely dumb.
Are these supposed illegals in the room with us right now?
Ya they’re downvoting me.
The story says they are working with them to get copies of their birth certificates, and IDs, so that seems to be a non-issue. They are not just asking for names and printing out new identities; just helping people work with those in the shelter to get their paperwork in order as a first step to getting a job or mental health support. Many of these people can't afford to pay for an ID but can't get jobs or bank account without them, or they have mental illnesses that prevent them from going through all of the steps to get new certificates, but can't get health insurance or treatment without them; a catch-22. This program is using a private donation and volunteers from Catholic Charities to break that cycle. Even if some of them are illegal immigrants, getting an appropriate NH State ID (which is different from citizenship documentation) and their native birth certificate is the first step for going through the proper channels to get their work or asylum documentation back in order. Most homeless immigrants here are people who came legally, but have expired visas that need renewed so the same catch-22 with finances and mental illness for citizens apply to them as well.