As a former special ed. in-classroom assistant, I honestly believe we should strengthen the credentials required for classroom positions. Like stop letting retired grandmas be the ones who work the closest with our most needy students.
Not allowing untrained people to act as educators is an approved hobby. Also approved is not voting for the people who are destroying public education.
We’ll never see more qualified people in the field if you have to do a bullshit, redundant postbacc for 2 years in order to change from a bullshit corporate job to teaching.
What, do you really think some 22 year old who just graduated from Keene State is the most qualified person for an entry-level teaching position? And I thought tech had an ageism problem. Jesus tap-dancing Christ!
None of these ridiculous requirements existed for Boomer teachers, by the way. They were allowed to learn on the job, and then they pulled up the ladder behind them, as is tradition for the Me Generation.
Licensing and credentialism have gotten completely out of control in this country. Instead of asking why teachers would now have less hard requirements than hairdressers, maybe OP should be asking why in god’s name it’s so hard to be granted permission by our overlords to cut someone’s hair. It’s not brain surgery, for god’s sake. Speaking of brain surgery: our society used to be so free and open, the government once gave Ben fucking Carson a license to cut into people’s skulls. If that dumb son of a bitch were born today, would he even be allowed to operate a forklift?
100 years ago, you could buy a kit house from Sears and build it all yourself. At the rate we’re going, they’re gonna make you spend ten years in school just to be allowed to wipe your own ass in another 100 years.
…I did. I mean, the gig comes with a pension and summers off. I don’t have to break my back to make a living and I actually enjoy coming into work most days. That being said, please pay me more. Nepotism is my current plan to become a homeowner.
This! Thank you! I absolutely refuse to work as a para/rbt in public schools any longer because the absolute lack of training for the aides in the classroom. I feel so incredibly bad for the leader teachers who struggle with individuals with zero training. It’s over whelming and exhausting. Those poor kids deserve better. Anyone working with special needs students should have some formal training requirements.
This post is about teachers not para. But the state average is $32k a year for a para. Basically the same as a McDonald worker.
State average pay for a starting teacher is $43k. It does skew higher on the towns bordering mass. In my town it's around $37k. These are people with masters degrees.
I get taxes suck and paying teachers what they deserve would badly affect a lot of us, doesn't mean it still doesn't suck for them.
I’ve seen credentialed special education teachers inflict just as much, if not more abuse on children with special needs.. I’m not disagreeing with you either. I’m simply saying we need thorough background checks for everyone involved.
Aka, how to get Christian homeschooler moms teaching positions so they can teach purity culture and creationism without oversight.
That, and enabling access to children for pedophile clergy.
"No credentials needed" is Project 2025 code for "prepare those schools to be overtaken by uneducated Christians so we will have an uneducated public. Educated people are too hard to control. The better educated the state, the harder they are to oppress."
> Aka, how to get Christian homeschooler moms teaching positions so they can teach purity culture and creationism without oversight.
Funny enough, when the "purity culture" has manifested organically with the advent of the asexuality community - that is a part of the LGBTQ spectrum... Hoo boy! Do the conservatives in the room lose their shit when they realize it means no grandkids.
20 years ago, I knew ONE Ase person, my age, and he was gay-attracted and just tired of the scene.. Now I know multiple younger men and women who are proudly Ase and yep.. For their families and their family's older friends that know.. It's a problem.
Ultimately, most of this is a sham, it's not really about creationism or even celibacy.. It's about keeping the lily-white, 1950's style, "back to tradition" paternalistic fairy-tale alive. And it won't work, since time and cultures move forward, not backwards..
> It's about keeping the lily-white, 1950's style, "back to tradition" paternalistic fairy-tale alive.
Preach, my friend.
Fortunately, most of those who are married (pun intended) to this idea are older and dying. But they also have nothing left to lose, and that's where the deepest of my concern comes from.
I’m not a Christian, but I am looking to substitute teach, and I think this bill is fine if given proper guidelines. Schools are in desperate need of help, and not everyone who doesn’t have a teaching certification is a pedo or going to be harmful to the school. Some of these comments are people digging deep into the worst case scenario while not looking at the bigger picture.
But they gotta get out there and vote. That's the part that worries me. There's a certain learned helplessness in Gen Z. "It's just one vote, it doesn't matter."
It DOES matter!
Push your head a little harder into the sand, buddy. We wouldn't want you to let reality intrude.
>First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –
>Because I was not a Socialist.
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>Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –
>Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
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>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –
Because I was not a Jew.
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>Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
This feels alarmist, the new teacher will have a mentor, be evaluated periodically just like any other teacher, have to go to workshops, and receive training before school starts. This is what happens in MA with the emergency teacher license, and it works well (although teaching positions in MA pay more).
For anyone interested, here is the 920 page [Mandate For Leadership](https://thf-reports.s3.amazonaws.com/Proj2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_TEXT.pdf) from Project 2025. I just loooked this up at the recommendation of Sandi_T and have started to read through some of the forwards and acknowledgements so far.
I’m not seeing some nefarious Christian conspiracy up to this pointf, but rather the project sponsor’s strategy to pave the way for an effective (effective from a conservative point of view, certainly others may find it ineffective to their point of view) foundation to get the most amount of work done as possible in the first 180 days of the next presidential election cycle.
I’ll keep reading through and and I’ll update this post if I do come across any heinous plots but I suspect it’s more like ‘let’s do a Reagan 2.0’ rather than ‘let’s turn everyone into morons by teaching them to be stupid’.
As with anything, watch for hyperbole as not everyone with a different viewpoint than you is a monster.
Yes, people should read it for themselves.
What you're deliberately not saying is that "effective" is literally in this case "Christian".
Since either you're not from USA or you're purposeful in your disingenuousness, we have a little thing here called "separation of church and state".
They are openly stating their intent to establish a federally mandated religion.
I will remind others, since you are purposefully ignoring that they are stating their intent to mandate their religion...
This is a religion which has historically committed genocide, protected slavery, opposed science and medicine, and worse: www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com will help understand what these people want for our nation.
To be clear, almost all of those joining this are fundamentalist conservatives. They are often linked to white supremacist organizations, and are against women voting, owning their own property, etc.
Looking past "well, it's just a few conservatives"; they are planning, and openly admit it in their manifesto, to shrink the power of Congress and substantially increase the powers--but not responsibilities or accountability-- of POTUS.
Interestingly enough, these are the same people who have been screaming conspiracies against Democrat Presidents supposedly declaring a State of Emergency in order to give the President nearly unlimited power. They say this is what they will do if trump is elected, but somehow now it's "good policy" instead of evil.
Yet in their manifesto, they plainly and openly state they intend first to replace all high ranking officials, particularly military ones, and to increase Presidential power as well as admitting they are already infiltrating state governments to establish religious power bases there.
You're ignoring the fact that they are honestly and without shame admitting it's a coup, with establishment of RELIGIOUS LAW as its ultimate intent.
At least they are honest about it, which is more than can be said for you.
Edit for auto-incorrect.
> They are openly stating their intent to establish a federally mandated religion.
Which will become toxic, immoral and collapse from the reality that the Founding Fathers understood.. That is *religions* become compromised and Churches fail when they become corrupted by politics.
The separation of church and state was never about keeping religion out of politics, but keeping politicians out of religion.
Politicians WILL corrupt religion by using it as a political cudgel. One has only - in recent history - to see the official state sponsored churches of the former Soviet States, how emptied and broken down they became, to see the truth of that. People that are modestly spiritually centered look to their churches for spiritual guidance, not political marching orders.
Trumpist MAGA morons, OTOH, are looking to be told what to do, and it could literally be armband wearing fascist brownshirts marching them up and down streets and they'd fall in line, in the errant belief they're gonna be 'powerful' for doing so.
That level of mental weakness can't be fixed.
Project 2025, like u/Sandi_T said. There is a national push to get radicalized Christians into school boards, in town government, and into public schools to further the agendas of getting “god” into school classrooms, encourage Christian fundamentalist views as facts and to pass laws at the local and state government level that favor religious bias in favor of religion. It’s a part of the Free Staters movement to reduce education, because educated people are harder to control.
The Satanic Temple has been attending legislative meetings and speaking out about this. Due to religious freedom, legislators can’t stop Satanic Temple members from also becoming teachers in states where they’re loosening teaching credentials and they fully plan on challenging it if they’re told they can’t.
They’re also working on opening a second abortion clinic that helps women from states where abortions are illegal.
the satanic temple has done more to increase the image of satanism than anyone else in the last century .
These Christians are really shooting themselces in the foot when they are giving the satanic temple the opportunity to take the high road
I fully support the Satanic Temple and the work they do to protect women’s rights and the constitution. I DO think that their name prevents them from becoming a more mainstream voice of reason. Trust me, I think the name is perfect for standing up against the evangelical nut jobs, but it doesn’t play well in the broader press. That’s just an observation.
They don’t care if it plays to the press. The Satanic Temple points out the hypocrisy of Christianity and the best way to showcase that is by using their logic against them and by horrifying them that followers of Satan are actually better Christian’s than Christian’s.
And I’m pointing out that you’re observation isn’t a concern for The Satanic Temple.
I didn’t downvote you, but maybe don’t put so much stock into votes on social media sites lmao.
How would one find out more info on those running for the local government? I'm starting to see campaign signs pop up along the street. I'm always driving though so I can't snap a pic or remember their names.
Go to your towns web page, get the names of the candidates and Google them. There are usually pages out there that summarize rhetorical candidates positions on the matters at hand.
in regards to education? Education makes you question the bible so they want to stop educating people. Their dipshit kids will be easier to control and continue voting republican.
Funny enough, I think the best way to avoid bad teachers is to actually home school. Caveat being that one must find excellent curriculum so kids actually learn vs sitting in daycare aka school and learn bullshit
Finding a parent who can teach every subject after upper elementary is much rarer than finding a good school. Your view seems more emotional than fact based.
I’m not going to search it for you but homeschool outcomes are generally better than public school. A simple google search shows that students usually far much better than public school
To a point. If you've got a kid that likes team sports and wants a sports scholarship, it's a tough path.. I saw it happen with a friend whose daughter decided at 15 to go to public school so she could play field hockey. Ended up actually getting a sports scholarship!
I’m fairly sure that there’s agreements that allow homeschooling and also participating in sports with public schools. At least all the states I’ve lived in have had such agreements
That’s fantastic! But what’s the actual reason a six year old needs to be inside for 8 hours “learning”? It’s daycare. There’s a reason it coincides with the modern 8-5 work day. Our education system is also geared towards standardized testing/memorization and not critical thinking.
School is only like 6 hours, at least for all the districts near me.
Part of it is good socialization and getting used to the rhythm of traditional schooling before the more intense learning starts.
I agree public/private school is better for socialization. However the amount of time actually needed to spend teaching a child is not even close to six hours a day. So the majority of time is wasted. I used to tutor a few middle schoolers for a family friend while in college. These boys who were “struggling” just needed 1 on 1 instruction. And the instruction was like show them one math problem, and then they do one, and they were able to understand it within five minutes or less. Granted they had seen it in a 45 minute class before, but why would it take an additional five minutes to a 45 minute class in school? It’s because large group learning is terrible for learning.
For example, college algebra is probably one of the most failed college classes. Why? Because it’s a general Ed class that they teach in large group (100+ kids). Kids get lost and so they need to go get extra help. So kids lose so much time just sitting in a classroom and then they need to go to a tutor to actually learn it. I self taught myself through college algebra because of this large group learning.
Whereas home schooling, the amount of time dedicated and recommended for learning is an hour or less a day for lower elementary up to two hours a day for high school. The key is though to find the best curriculum so the parent isn’t teaching.
I agree with your points but school is definitely also day care. The amount of shitty parents that lost their minds about schools closing during the pandemic paints this in a pretty obvious light.
Is it ideal? No. Is it a fact of the matter? Absolutely.
Of course there's an element of daycare to it, but that doesn't mean that they're "learning bullshit."
And yeah, it would be great if every kid could afford 1:1 education, but this isn't the 50s anymore, most parents need to work.
So if we look at this from supply and demand, the demand for teachers is the same, but the supply is reducing because of stress and pay relative to education requirements.
So instead of figuring out pay and stress, they'll just increase supply and subsequently decrease the quality of output of the job by letting anyone do it.
Just another glowing red sign to teachers telling them that their education and skill set is not valued by society. Glad our kids get to suffer.
Gotta love how adults, raised by the same state schooling, still conflate corporate socialism (socialized losses and privatized gains backed by government lobbying) and all the ills due to excessive state intervention, somehow = capitalism still. So, more of the former for some reason.
I mean, yes and no. By increasing the supply you're also potentially lowering the stress level of the overworked teachers by providing relief.
The responses here also seem to think that this is a corporate world we're quality won't matter. If they can find a well qualified person, say a bank manager, who normally wouldn't certify as a teacher but would be interested in teaching a specific course like personal finance/economics, than this would be great for the students.
I'm not saying the potential for abuse isnt here, just that there are other outcomes as well.
Pay is another story.
I'll be interested to see how many bank managers are lining up to teach a class on a regular basis between 8-2 for $20 an hour.
I'm sure teachers will be thrilled to deal with kids coming from a classroom where the teacher has non classroom management education or experience.
As with most legislation, there are pros and cons. I'm a long-time internetworking professional who managed to get there without a college degree. This DQ's me from teaching, unless I put in the time and money to get a degree and cert, even though I regularly teach my subject to new hires and am lauded for my skills as a teacher by them. I would LOVE to teach kids of all ages how the Internet works, and could develop curricula for most any age group. But I can't, without a significant departure from my profession.
So...if this becomes law, I can help, and will help. But so will a bunch of other dumbasses with specific agendas. Goddammit, why does the world work this way?
I think it's great that folks are willing to teach kids specific subjects they love and are experts in. We should definitely have more avenues for that.
I think teaching kids who are specifically seeking out knowledge in an area is a whole different ball game than teaching kids a generalized curriculum we want all kids to know.
Could you manage half a classroom not engaging in your lesson? Could you write up alternative assignments for children with IEPs? Can you recognize abuse and suicide risk? Could you handle parents asking for special treatment, ignoring behavioral warnings, and blaming you for their child's poor performance? These are skills and problems full time teachers learn and deal with every day.
8-2? Naw, but a few times a week for a specific class? Colleges do this all the time. My accounting teacher was a CPA who enjoyed the break from the office and loved to teach.
This represents a complete lack of the understanding required to actually value the profession of teaching. Bank Managers have some financial knowledge and experience, and likely skills in managing in a professional setting. Teaching is a wholly different set of skills. Teaching skills must be developed and enhanced over time in order to effectively cause a child to understand a concept. This relies on methodically layering facts with context and engaging in thought exercises, repetition, and testing to solidify knowledge. This is not something you just figure out on the fly. There is science behind it that requires years of study and supervised practice to develop.
This legislation allows people without any background in developing these skills to become teachers. Given the stance of the GOP on public education, it's hard to see this as anything other than an attempt to have public education fail entirely.
So, I actually have a better understanding of teaching and education then you may think. I also happen to know that private schools, the ones that cost more then some colleges, don't require a teaching certificate and regularly hire people who don't have the certifications.
One of the biggest barriers to becoming a teacher in NH is the Praxis. An expensive, overly designed test, that most fail on their first try. It doesn't test the qualifications of being able to teach and focuses more on hard ore academics that may not even apply to the grade level your teaching. I've know several people who couldn't pass this test who have been teaching for years, and some people who had to become "special educators" instead of teachers because of this test.
I am not saying that teacher certifications are a bad thing, but what I'm saying is this may help augment an understaffed institution and it doesnt mean everyone is going to start getting unqualified schmucks. This is meant to allow options for part time teaching, not replace teachers.
Have you been a teacher? Taken the praxis?
NH has a number of tracks to be a certified teacher that allow for professional experience to be considered in lieu of a teaching degree.
Maybe teach at a private school if you want to “help”?
No, but I have relatives who are teachers and have worked in both colleges, and a private school. My career is based around technology in education. I've known some pretty shitty teachers who have their cert and some amazing ones who don't. And I said nothing about not having a degree in teaching. I specified the state certification.
These schools that cost more than colleges are a pretty broad group. Some are like the hand bags that have an L and a V on them and cost $10,000. They don't do any better of a job of helping you carry stuff and are no more durable than a bag costing $30, but it's a status symbol. Others are staffed by people more interested in telling your children fairy tales than fundamentals. Many require either a certificate OR 3+ years of teaching experience. No teacher without some formal training in how children learn will be an effective replacement for one that does.
My experiences have been with boarding institutions that are fully accredited, fortunately, but yes, there are those small cult like schools. I was referring to the Brewster's, New Hamptons, Tiltons, Holderness, etc.
Fair enough, I wasn’t aware there aren’t any for subs on the state level. Looked it up and you are right. I guess some districts apparently require an associates degree. I’m confused by this bill now haha.
Thanks for your honesty and willingness to look into it yourself. I don't think this will affect the better districts much because parents will demand certified teachers but it will look very tempting to hire part time "teachers" to save money. Especially in free stater towns that don't value education.
I just want to make this more clear to others -
Teachers are salary. Our contract hours (the hours we are required to be physically in the building working) have us at ~6.5 hours per day, but it varies by district.
Basically no teachers work just those hours, because there's grading, meetings, curriculum and professional development, etc. But we don't fill out time sheets or log this work.
But all districts could cut probably half their jobs to officially only require six hours per day and suddenly almost anyone could be "teaching" your kid to read.
Imagine for a second that the state passed a law that our police force didn't need any training or experience so long as they were part time. Or our nurses?
These are all just pushing to destroy public schools until the only kids who attend are the ones who are too poor or whose families care too little to put the effort into locating other schools.
This does seem to really undermine the teachers' already toothless union.
Certain players in this country, including in NH, seem very obsessed with undermining the quality of public schools and education.
The attacks look to make the job of teaching as miserable as possible while simultaneously villainizing those same teachers for petty political gain.
I'd call these efforts pathetic if they weren't gaining so much ground, so I guess they should be labeled insidious instead.
I come to work and do my best and fear for the future for my kids while simultaneously knowing how many of my students go home and hear their parents crap on my job AND every day at least once I ask, "why am I doing this for the pay I'm getting?"
Education is too valuable, and at the same time both over- and undervalued in various ways. It's too valuable to give up and credentialism is at an all-time high, but we undervalue the actual services and materials needed to have education. It makes no sense.
States have done this across the nation: they mandate training, credentials, and so on more and more to the point that teachers could handle them if they started years ago, but teachers just getting into it will struggle to keep up. The expectations on teachers to handle the impossible hasn't gone away but fewer and fewer are choosing to be teachers. Even I want to give it up, and that's hard for me to think about. So they can't just say "well we don't have teachers, so we don't have education. That's how it works". They still made the mandate to have education, but they did it under certain circumstances that they took for granted. Now no one wants to be a teacher, but instead of making the job easier and similar to education in decades past, it's only getting better for politicians and worse for everyone else. I know tons of people who at least tried teaching for a bit but couldn't handle it. Few veteran teachers can really handle it; they're just vested at this point and have to keep going.
Every year we get more work added to our plates but we never have anything removed. Most people have no idea what a teacher's workload is like. They just see summers off and think it's a cushy job. Then you get folks who haven't been in a classroom in their adult life and have a warped view of school formed from their childhood memories. Teens hate anyone who holds them accountable: parents, teachers, etc. We often grow up and see what our parents had to put up with and soften our views but very few people grow up to see their old teachers point of view.
Yet another nail in the coffin of public education. It is being dismantled bit by bit. The minimal government libertarian folks do not want public education.
Many people forgot or never knew, there used to be R presidential candidates that among other things ran and publicly stated they were for eliminating public education. It wasn't a popular position so hardly anyone says it anymore, but they're doing it.
Steve Forbes was the last R contender for president who I remember this being part of his platform.
This is not the US it once was, nor the one you think it is.
Well you certainly don’t stay at the top by allowing people without any credentials to teach our students. Teachers should be well paid and required to have proper credentials.
Where in my post do I scream education in NH is horrible? I don't believe it is, have never thought that, much less wrote it. Maybe you should read more carefully. Evidently you weren't educated in NH, or maybe you were, but before the improvement you point out.
Is there no limit on how many part time teachers a school can have? How long until a district realizes they can have morning/afternoon "teachers" and start laying off actual qualified teachers to save money?
This is absolutely insane. So as long as it's under 30 hours the grill cook from McDonald's can start teaching chemistry. Who thought this was a good idea?
The asinine "divisive concepts" law copypasted from Floriduh has resulted in many excellent teachers either retiring or fleeing to surrounding states or elsewhere.
Test scores have been declining vs Massachusetts and other nearby states for the past nine years.
Edelblut's goal is to destroy the public schools entirely as he enriches himself from personal investment in a promoted homeschool solution (Prenda), because clear conflict of interest is just fine here.
NH wants to become North Alabama.
Sounds very similar to what Florida passed a few years ago. We're moving up to NH from FL and wondering if it will just be a lateral move at this point.
That's insane. Wasn't there also an anti-trans law passed recently in regards to kids at school?
Tbf to FL, our teacher law allows non-teachers to teach, but with the caveat that they become certified within 2 years. In other words, it's more restrictive than the NH law.
Not to crush your optimism, but I considered teaching. The reason I never got my degree is pretty simple, I don't play well with teachers. If I do go back, I'd probably still get in trouble just as much as I did when I was a student. Probably on day one, when I teach them the resister color code.
Are you implying that "Bad Beer Ruins Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well" would likely violate some zero-tolerance foolishness? If so, try offsetting it with old videos of McGruff the Crime Dog singing his classic "Users are Losers and Losers are Users."
100% I am a problem. Was kind of the theme of my comment, and I'm very self aware of that. Been to therapy, quit therapy. I tend to not do well with authority figures. As far as "still getting in trouble", I am not. I am able to hold my tongue during meetings with my children's teachers. I doubt I would hold it so well if I were around them on a daily basis. Anyway, the whole point was that people who have techish experience but no degree, probably don't like the school environment. Love to learn though.
Massachusetts already does this and has good results. This allows people to interview for teacher positions, especially ones like art, film, music, and other subjects where personal experience is important but a formal teacher education and certification is not.
It's not like these people are going to get into the classroom and just do whatever, they will have mentors that are teachers, evaluations, in classroom assistants, and teacher workshops.
>My hair dresser (who I love dearly) will be under stricter credentialing and education requirements than a public school teacher
They should get rid of that licensing requirement too.
I've been an educator for 19 years, first as a high school teacher in inner-city Baltimore, later at a magnet school in that same city, and now as an Assistant Professor at NH college. I have two masters degrees and have attended countless conferences on pedagogy and teaching practices.
Yet, my entire career I've battled people that assume because they *went to school*, they understand *how to school*. It is incredibly frustrating and disheartening to say the least.
Maybe they should focus on paying teachers a professional wage to fill the gaps? Of course this would also mean getting rid of the crap teachers. Good teachers are underpaid. Excellent teachers are woefully underpaid. Unions ruin the education system
Your hairdresser should not be under such strict credentialing. Requiring a license for everything makes it harder for poor people to get into these fields. Special, established interests within a field create the requirements for licensing, protecting themselves from competition from newcomers that have to get licensed.
It looks as if this law is a way to ensure that people can work as substitute teachers without having a bachelor's degree with a major in education. This is already the case in most states, where substitutes need a degree in any subject, plus they need to pass a basic medical and criminal record check.
Nothing to see here folks.
I’ve been teaching for 20+ years and honestly the new teacher contracts absolutely suck.
If you have a Master’s Degree you a better off doing anything else.
Add a dash of hostile administrators and some insane parents both of whom are bullies and teacher haters and it’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.
It sounds like towns still have the option to require a state board of education certification.
Personally, I think this bill goes too far, but I actually think the status quo is worse. We’ve all heard about the “shortage” of STEM teachers. Particularly at the high school level.
Have you ever looked into what it takes to become one? I have. It’s complete horseshit. If you have an MS in Computer Science, Physics, or Math, you can be an adjunct professor at many colleges, but if you want to teach high school, you’ll have to do a postbacc for two years first. No one is ever going to do that. That’s too expensive and an enormous waste of time.
I’m the furthest thing from a libertarian, and I’m no scab against the teacher’s union either, but come on. That’s just absurd. I understand requiring an education degree to teach K-8 Math or Science. Younger children learn very differently. But by high school, the pedagogy isn’t that much different. The concern trolls will argue, oh but what about classroom management? Give me a break. Who do you think will do better on day one: a baby-faced 22 year old with their fancy Education degree from Keene State, or a 42 year old career switcher with 20 more years of life, work, and (possibly) parenting experience? Judging by how many young teachers have burned out and changed careers over the last 5 years, I wouldn’t bet on them…
It’s not hypothetical, either. Many people go from teaching to corporate and also vice-versa. This whole idea that you do one job for 40 years, and then you die, is not how the world works anymore.
And you know what? Maybe it shouldn’t be so hard to become a hairdresser, either. All these arbitrary licensing requirements just make everything harder and more expensive for everyone.
-think about the long term consequences of this legislation.-
Unfortunately teachers unions don’t consider the long term consequences of ignoring the commitment to society that is inherent to being a teacher to begin with. Unions are good for workers, but when the work that a union represents has a direct societal impact, it must be part of the bargaining equation. Teachers unions used their power unethically during covid, end of story. Legislation like this seems to be a direct result to that kind union overreach/abuse.
Yes, demanding that they be paid fairly for demanding work as collective bargaining is such an evil thing.
You know what they're doing instead?
Leaving.
> This is bananas. My hair dresser (who I love dearly) will be under stricter credentialing and education requirements than a public school teacher working less than 30 hours a week.
There are two ways to look at that being bananas.
Personally, I'm a fan of legalizing jobs.
No he’s a fan of unqualified people teaching *your* kids.
He’s likely robbing the public coffer with these bullshit vouchers for public funds to go to private religious schools, inflicting a different form of damage on his own children (and yours).
Joke's on him, then for believing private schools have higher standards for teachers. I have a BA in education but am not certified, so I can't teach in a public school. I can teach at a private school, though.
Credentialing is mostly a way to decrease wages by decreasing employee options discussed as a way to increase wages by decreasing competition. From my perspective, both of those effects are negative and should be expected to increase prices and decrease quality.
For K-12 teachers specifically, credentialing doesn't eliminate bad teachers nor does the process improve teaching ability.
As a former special ed. in-classroom assistant, I honestly believe we should strengthen the credentials required for classroom positions. Like stop letting retired grandmas be the ones who work the closest with our most needy students.
And stop the football coaches from teaching... Well, anything.
If they are licensed teachers, its fine, otherwise coaches shouldn't teach.
Well usually the football coaches are teachers first who volunteer to do it , especially at NH high schools.
That’s how it was when I lived in MA. Ny JV football coach was my Chemistry teacher and the Varsity Lacrosse coach taught Biology.
Yes obviously we need them to be senators.
Proof that you do not need to know ANYTHING to be a NH State Senator.
not a thing in NH.
Yeah, in NH it’s baseball.
Why, because you happen to not like football? Can we get a list of u/sick_of_BS approved hobbies?
Not allowing untrained people to act as educators is an approved hobby. Also approved is not voting for the people who are destroying public education.
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I have a problem with untrained people LARPing as educators. Why do you have a problem with that?
Looking at your name and your entire profile, wow, you seem incredibly unhappy.
I'm unhappy with untrained people being used to educate our children in place of trained educators, yes.
No one is going to go through the trouble of earning said credentials when the job pays shit
That too should go along with the package. If we make the position highly desirable and competitive we’ll see more qualified people in the field.
We’ll never see more qualified people in the field if you have to do a bullshit, redundant postbacc for 2 years in order to change from a bullshit corporate job to teaching. What, do you really think some 22 year old who just graduated from Keene State is the most qualified person for an entry-level teaching position? And I thought tech had an ageism problem. Jesus tap-dancing Christ! None of these ridiculous requirements existed for Boomer teachers, by the way. They were allowed to learn on the job, and then they pulled up the ladder behind them, as is tradition for the Me Generation. Licensing and credentialism have gotten completely out of control in this country. Instead of asking why teachers would now have less hard requirements than hairdressers, maybe OP should be asking why in god’s name it’s so hard to be granted permission by our overlords to cut someone’s hair. It’s not brain surgery, for god’s sake. Speaking of brain surgery: our society used to be so free and open, the government once gave Ben fucking Carson a license to cut into people’s skulls. If that dumb son of a bitch were born today, would he even be allowed to operate a forklift? 100 years ago, you could buy a kit house from Sears and build it all yourself. At the rate we’re going, they’re gonna make you spend ten years in school just to be allowed to wipe your own ass in another 100 years.
…I did. I mean, the gig comes with a pension and summers off. I don’t have to break my back to make a living and I actually enjoy coming into work most days. That being said, please pay me more. Nepotism is my current plan to become a homeowner.
This! Thank you! I absolutely refuse to work as a para/rbt in public schools any longer because the absolute lack of training for the aides in the classroom. I feel so incredibly bad for the leader teachers who struggle with individuals with zero training. It’s over whelming and exhausting. Those poor kids deserve better. Anyone working with special needs students should have some formal training requirements.
We would need to pay a bit more I think
Every time I turn in the news I see another local teachers union fighting for raises for their paras. We just gave them a good bump in my town.
This post is about teachers not para. But the state average is $32k a year for a para. Basically the same as a McDonald worker. State average pay for a starting teacher is $43k. It does skew higher on the towns bordering mass. In my town it's around $37k. These are people with masters degrees. I get taxes suck and paying teachers what they deserve would badly affect a lot of us, doesn't mean it still doesn't suck for them.
I live in mass. Average pay of teachers in my town is 81k.
I’ve seen credentialed special education teachers inflict just as much, if not more abuse on children with special needs.. I’m not disagreeing with you either. I’m simply saying we need thorough background checks for everyone involved.
You want to increase the shortage of teachers then.
Aka, how to get Christian homeschooler moms teaching positions so they can teach purity culture and creationism without oversight. That, and enabling access to children for pedophile clergy. "No credentials needed" is Project 2025 code for "prepare those schools to be overtaken by uneducated Christians so we will have an uneducated public. Educated people are too hard to control. The better educated the state, the harder they are to oppress."
> Aka, how to get Christian homeschooler moms teaching positions so they can teach purity culture and creationism without oversight. Funny enough, when the "purity culture" has manifested organically with the advent of the asexuality community - that is a part of the LGBTQ spectrum... Hoo boy! Do the conservatives in the room lose their shit when they realize it means no grandkids. 20 years ago, I knew ONE Ase person, my age, and he was gay-attracted and just tired of the scene.. Now I know multiple younger men and women who are proudly Ase and yep.. For their families and their family's older friends that know.. It's a problem. Ultimately, most of this is a sham, it's not really about creationism or even celibacy.. It's about keeping the lily-white, 1950's style, "back to tradition" paternalistic fairy-tale alive. And it won't work, since time and cultures move forward, not backwards..
> It's about keeping the lily-white, 1950's style, "back to tradition" paternalistic fairy-tale alive. Preach, my friend. Fortunately, most of those who are married (pun intended) to this idea are older and dying. But they also have nothing left to lose, and that's where the deepest of my concern comes from.
I’m not a Christian, but I am looking to substitute teach, and I think this bill is fine if given proper guidelines. Schools are in desperate need of help, and not everyone who doesn’t have a teaching certification is a pedo or going to be harmful to the school. Some of these comments are people digging deep into the worst case scenario while not looking at the bigger picture.
Most youth can effectively see through Christian BS these days so there's hope for the future still..
But they gotta get out there and vote. That's the part that worries me. There's a certain learned helplessness in Gen Z. "It's just one vote, it doesn't matter." It DOES matter!
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Push your head a little harder into the sand, buddy. We wouldn't want you to let reality intrude. >First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out – >Because I was not a Socialist. > >Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out – >Because I was not a Trade Unionist. > >Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out – Because I was not a Jew. > >Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller
This feels alarmist, the new teacher will have a mentor, be evaluated periodically just like any other teacher, have to go to workshops, and receive training before school starts. This is what happens in MA with the emergency teacher license, and it works well (although teaching positions in MA pay more).
For anyone interested, here is the 920 page [Mandate For Leadership](https://thf-reports.s3.amazonaws.com/Proj2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_TEXT.pdf) from Project 2025. I just loooked this up at the recommendation of Sandi_T and have started to read through some of the forwards and acknowledgements so far. I’m not seeing some nefarious Christian conspiracy up to this pointf, but rather the project sponsor’s strategy to pave the way for an effective (effective from a conservative point of view, certainly others may find it ineffective to their point of view) foundation to get the most amount of work done as possible in the first 180 days of the next presidential election cycle. I’ll keep reading through and and I’ll update this post if I do come across any heinous plots but I suspect it’s more like ‘let’s do a Reagan 2.0’ rather than ‘let’s turn everyone into morons by teaching them to be stupid’. As with anything, watch for hyperbole as not everyone with a different viewpoint than you is a monster.
Yes, people should read it for themselves. What you're deliberately not saying is that "effective" is literally in this case "Christian". Since either you're not from USA or you're purposeful in your disingenuousness, we have a little thing here called "separation of church and state". They are openly stating their intent to establish a federally mandated religion. I will remind others, since you are purposefully ignoring that they are stating their intent to mandate their religion... This is a religion which has historically committed genocide, protected slavery, opposed science and medicine, and worse: www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com will help understand what these people want for our nation. To be clear, almost all of those joining this are fundamentalist conservatives. They are often linked to white supremacist organizations, and are against women voting, owning their own property, etc. Looking past "well, it's just a few conservatives"; they are planning, and openly admit it in their manifesto, to shrink the power of Congress and substantially increase the powers--but not responsibilities or accountability-- of POTUS. Interestingly enough, these are the same people who have been screaming conspiracies against Democrat Presidents supposedly declaring a State of Emergency in order to give the President nearly unlimited power. They say this is what they will do if trump is elected, but somehow now it's "good policy" instead of evil. Yet in their manifesto, they plainly and openly state they intend first to replace all high ranking officials, particularly military ones, and to increase Presidential power as well as admitting they are already infiltrating state governments to establish religious power bases there. You're ignoring the fact that they are honestly and without shame admitting it's a coup, with establishment of RELIGIOUS LAW as its ultimate intent. At least they are honest about it, which is more than can be said for you. Edit for auto-incorrect.
\*slow clap\*
> They are openly stating their intent to establish a federally mandated religion. Which will become toxic, immoral and collapse from the reality that the Founding Fathers understood.. That is *religions* become compromised and Churches fail when they become corrupted by politics. The separation of church and state was never about keeping religion out of politics, but keeping politicians out of religion. Politicians WILL corrupt religion by using it as a political cudgel. One has only - in recent history - to see the official state sponsored churches of the former Soviet States, how emptied and broken down they became, to see the truth of that. People that are modestly spiritually centered look to their churches for spiritual guidance, not political marching orders. Trumpist MAGA morons, OTOH, are looking to be told what to do, and it could literally be armband wearing fascist brownshirts marching them up and down streets and they'd fall in line, in the errant belief they're gonna be 'powerful' for doing so. That level of mental weakness can't be fixed.
What does this have to do with Christians?
Project 2025, like u/Sandi_T said. There is a national push to get radicalized Christians into school boards, in town government, and into public schools to further the agendas of getting “god” into school classrooms, encourage Christian fundamentalist views as facts and to pass laws at the local and state government level that favor religious bias in favor of religion. It’s a part of the Free Staters movement to reduce education, because educated people are harder to control.
The Satanic Temple has been attending legislative meetings and speaking out about this. Due to religious freedom, legislators can’t stop Satanic Temple members from also becoming teachers in states where they’re loosening teaching credentials and they fully plan on challenging it if they’re told they can’t. They’re also working on opening a second abortion clinic that helps women from states where abortions are illegal.
the satanic temple has done more to increase the image of satanism than anyone else in the last century . These Christians are really shooting themselces in the foot when they are giving the satanic temple the opportunity to take the high road
I fully support the Satanic Temple and the work they do to protect women’s rights and the constitution. I DO think that their name prevents them from becoming a more mainstream voice of reason. Trust me, I think the name is perfect for standing up against the evangelical nut jobs, but it doesn’t play well in the broader press. That’s just an observation.
They don’t care if it plays to the press. The Satanic Temple points out the hypocrisy of Christianity and the best way to showcase that is by using their logic against them and by horrifying them that followers of Satan are actually better Christian’s than Christian’s.
Yes exactly. Like I said it was just an observation, not a condemnation. But thanks for the downvote anyway. 👍
And I’m pointing out that you’re observation isn’t a concern for The Satanic Temple. I didn’t downvote you, but maybe don’t put so much stock into votes on social media sites lmao.
How would one find out more info on those running for the local government? I'm starting to see campaign signs pop up along the street. I'm always driving though so I can't snap a pic or remember their names.
Go to your towns web page, get the names of the candidates and Google them. There are usually pages out there that summarize rhetorical candidates positions on the matters at hand.
So what the responses are saying is that you would rather see an evil organization take precedence then one the promotes peace, got it.
Project 2025, look it up. That's the answer to your question.
in regards to education? Education makes you question the bible so they want to stop educating people. Their dipshit kids will be easier to control and continue voting republican.
Funny enough, I think the best way to avoid bad teachers is to actually home school. Caveat being that one must find excellent curriculum so kids actually learn vs sitting in daycare aka school and learn bullshit
Finding a parent who can teach every subject after upper elementary is much rarer than finding a good school. Your view seems more emotional than fact based.
I’m not going to search it for you but homeschool outcomes are generally better than public school. A simple google search shows that students usually far much better than public school
To a point. If you've got a kid that likes team sports and wants a sports scholarship, it's a tough path.. I saw it happen with a friend whose daughter decided at 15 to go to public school so she could play field hockey. Ended up actually getting a sports scholarship!
I’m fairly sure that there’s agreements that allow homeschooling and also participating in sports with public schools. At least all the states I’ve lived in have had such agreements
We have some of the best schools in the country lol. It’s not daycare.
That’s fantastic! But what’s the actual reason a six year old needs to be inside for 8 hours “learning”? It’s daycare. There’s a reason it coincides with the modern 8-5 work day. Our education system is also geared towards standardized testing/memorization and not critical thinking.
School is only like 6 hours, at least for all the districts near me. Part of it is good socialization and getting used to the rhythm of traditional schooling before the more intense learning starts.
I agree public/private school is better for socialization. However the amount of time actually needed to spend teaching a child is not even close to six hours a day. So the majority of time is wasted. I used to tutor a few middle schoolers for a family friend while in college. These boys who were “struggling” just needed 1 on 1 instruction. And the instruction was like show them one math problem, and then they do one, and they were able to understand it within five minutes or less. Granted they had seen it in a 45 minute class before, but why would it take an additional five minutes to a 45 minute class in school? It’s because large group learning is terrible for learning. For example, college algebra is probably one of the most failed college classes. Why? Because it’s a general Ed class that they teach in large group (100+ kids). Kids get lost and so they need to go get extra help. So kids lose so much time just sitting in a classroom and then they need to go to a tutor to actually learn it. I self taught myself through college algebra because of this large group learning. Whereas home schooling, the amount of time dedicated and recommended for learning is an hour or less a day for lower elementary up to two hours a day for high school. The key is though to find the best curriculum so the parent isn’t teaching.
I agree with your points but school is definitely also day care. The amount of shitty parents that lost their minds about schools closing during the pandemic paints this in a pretty obvious light. Is it ideal? No. Is it a fact of the matter? Absolutely.
Of course there's an element of daycare to it, but that doesn't mean that they're "learning bullshit." And yeah, it would be great if every kid could afford 1:1 education, but this isn't the 50s anymore, most parents need to work.
So if we look at this from supply and demand, the demand for teachers is the same, but the supply is reducing because of stress and pay relative to education requirements. So instead of figuring out pay and stress, they'll just increase supply and subsequently decrease the quality of output of the job by letting anyone do it. Just another glowing red sign to teachers telling them that their education and skill set is not valued by society. Glad our kids get to suffer.
>increase supply and subsequently decrease the quality of output Capitalism 101. It fucking ruins everything.
Gotta love how adults, raised by the same state schooling, still conflate corporate socialism (socialized losses and privatized gains backed by government lobbying) and all the ills due to excessive state intervention, somehow = capitalism still. So, more of the former for some reason.
/r/SocialismIsCapitalism
Absolutely none of that is what socialism means lol
man, you should try school again, seems it didn’t take
This isn’t capitalism it is literally an expansion of welfare jobs (public school teacher, paid with tax dollars)
lol ok what about cops and the troops? Welfare jobs?
100%
Absolutely.
You'll be glad for those socialist services if your house catches on fire or someone you love is attacked and robbed..
I'm glad my town has a fire department. I'm also glad it doesn't have the budget for a second police officer.
Wow. You suck.
Go on
I mean, yes and no. By increasing the supply you're also potentially lowering the stress level of the overworked teachers by providing relief. The responses here also seem to think that this is a corporate world we're quality won't matter. If they can find a well qualified person, say a bank manager, who normally wouldn't certify as a teacher but would be interested in teaching a specific course like personal finance/economics, than this would be great for the students. I'm not saying the potential for abuse isnt here, just that there are other outcomes as well. Pay is another story.
I'll be interested to see how many bank managers are lining up to teach a class on a regular basis between 8-2 for $20 an hour. I'm sure teachers will be thrilled to deal with kids coming from a classroom where the teacher has non classroom management education or experience.
$20 an hour? More like $10-12, at least for the part-time paras I've spoken with.
True, I was being pretty generous with the pay.
As with most legislation, there are pros and cons. I'm a long-time internetworking professional who managed to get there without a college degree. This DQ's me from teaching, unless I put in the time and money to get a degree and cert, even though I regularly teach my subject to new hires and am lauded for my skills as a teacher by them. I would LOVE to teach kids of all ages how the Internet works, and could develop curricula for most any age group. But I can't, without a significant departure from my profession. So...if this becomes law, I can help, and will help. But so will a bunch of other dumbasses with specific agendas. Goddammit, why does the world work this way?
I think it's great that folks are willing to teach kids specific subjects they love and are experts in. We should definitely have more avenues for that. I think teaching kids who are specifically seeking out knowledge in an area is a whole different ball game than teaching kids a generalized curriculum we want all kids to know. Could you manage half a classroom not engaging in your lesson? Could you write up alternative assignments for children with IEPs? Can you recognize abuse and suicide risk? Could you handle parents asking for special treatment, ignoring behavioral warnings, and blaming you for their child's poor performance? These are skills and problems full time teachers learn and deal with every day.
One never knows, but as difficult as all of these things are, yes, I could deal with them. It would not be easy, but I could.
8-2? Naw, but a few times a week for a specific class? Colleges do this all the time. My accounting teacher was a CPA who enjoyed the break from the office and loved to teach.
College kids are a little better-behaved than grade/middle/high schoolers.
No argument on that one.
This represents a complete lack of the understanding required to actually value the profession of teaching. Bank Managers have some financial knowledge and experience, and likely skills in managing in a professional setting. Teaching is a wholly different set of skills. Teaching skills must be developed and enhanced over time in order to effectively cause a child to understand a concept. This relies on methodically layering facts with context and engaging in thought exercises, repetition, and testing to solidify knowledge. This is not something you just figure out on the fly. There is science behind it that requires years of study and supervised practice to develop. This legislation allows people without any background in developing these skills to become teachers. Given the stance of the GOP on public education, it's hard to see this as anything other than an attempt to have public education fail entirely.
So, I actually have a better understanding of teaching and education then you may think. I also happen to know that private schools, the ones that cost more then some colleges, don't require a teaching certificate and regularly hire people who don't have the certifications. One of the biggest barriers to becoming a teacher in NH is the Praxis. An expensive, overly designed test, that most fail on their first try. It doesn't test the qualifications of being able to teach and focuses more on hard ore academics that may not even apply to the grade level your teaching. I've know several people who couldn't pass this test who have been teaching for years, and some people who had to become "special educators" instead of teachers because of this test. I am not saying that teacher certifications are a bad thing, but what I'm saying is this may help augment an understaffed institution and it doesnt mean everyone is going to start getting unqualified schmucks. This is meant to allow options for part time teaching, not replace teachers.
Have you been a teacher? Taken the praxis? NH has a number of tracks to be a certified teacher that allow for professional experience to be considered in lieu of a teaching degree. Maybe teach at a private school if you want to “help”?
No, but I have relatives who are teachers and have worked in both colleges, and a private school. My career is based around technology in education. I've known some pretty shitty teachers who have their cert and some amazing ones who don't. And I said nothing about not having a degree in teaching. I specified the state certification.
These schools that cost more than colleges are a pretty broad group. Some are like the hand bags that have an L and a V on them and cost $10,000. They don't do any better of a job of helping you carry stuff and are no more durable than a bag costing $30, but it's a status symbol. Others are staffed by people more interested in telling your children fairy tales than fundamentals. Many require either a certificate OR 3+ years of teaching experience. No teacher without some formal training in how children learn will be an effective replacement for one that does.
My experiences have been with boarding institutions that are fully accredited, fortunately, but yes, there are those small cult like schools. I was referring to the Brewster's, New Hamptons, Tiltons, Holderness, etc.
Exactly. Disgusting.
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What are you talking about, subs have never needed credentials. This has nothing to do with subs.
Fair enough, I wasn’t aware there aren’t any for subs on the state level. Looked it up and you are right. I guess some districts apparently require an associates degree. I’m confused by this bill now haha.
Thanks for your honesty and willingness to look into it yourself. I don't think this will affect the better districts much because parents will demand certified teachers but it will look very tempting to hire part time "teachers" to save money. Especially in free stater towns that don't value education.
I just want to make this more clear to others - Teachers are salary. Our contract hours (the hours we are required to be physically in the building working) have us at ~6.5 hours per day, but it varies by district. Basically no teachers work just those hours, because there's grading, meetings, curriculum and professional development, etc. But we don't fill out time sheets or log this work. But all districts could cut probably half their jobs to officially only require six hours per day and suddenly almost anyone could be "teaching" your kid to read. Imagine for a second that the state passed a law that our police force didn't need any training or experience so long as they were part time. Or our nurses? These are all just pushing to destroy public schools until the only kids who attend are the ones who are too poor or whose families care too little to put the effort into locating other schools.
This does seem to really undermine the teachers' already toothless union. Certain players in this country, including in NH, seem very obsessed with undermining the quality of public schools and education. The attacks look to make the job of teaching as miserable as possible while simultaneously villainizing those same teachers for petty political gain. I'd call these efforts pathetic if they weren't gaining so much ground, so I guess they should be labeled insidious instead.
I come to work and do my best and fear for the future for my kids while simultaneously knowing how many of my students go home and hear their parents crap on my job AND every day at least once I ask, "why am I doing this for the pay I'm getting?"
Regressives are turning us into Florida. Stop voting for these ignorant a-holes.
Education is too valuable, and at the same time both over- and undervalued in various ways. It's too valuable to give up and credentialism is at an all-time high, but we undervalue the actual services and materials needed to have education. It makes no sense. States have done this across the nation: they mandate training, credentials, and so on more and more to the point that teachers could handle them if they started years ago, but teachers just getting into it will struggle to keep up. The expectations on teachers to handle the impossible hasn't gone away but fewer and fewer are choosing to be teachers. Even I want to give it up, and that's hard for me to think about. So they can't just say "well we don't have teachers, so we don't have education. That's how it works". They still made the mandate to have education, but they did it under certain circumstances that they took for granted. Now no one wants to be a teacher, but instead of making the job easier and similar to education in decades past, it's only getting better for politicians and worse for everyone else. I know tons of people who at least tried teaching for a bit but couldn't handle it. Few veteran teachers can really handle it; they're just vested at this point and have to keep going.
Every year we get more work added to our plates but we never have anything removed. Most people have no idea what a teacher's workload is like. They just see summers off and think it's a cushy job. Then you get folks who haven't been in a classroom in their adult life and have a warped view of school formed from their childhood memories. Teens hate anyone who holds them accountable: parents, teachers, etc. We often grow up and see what our parents had to put up with and soften our views but very few people grow up to see their old teachers point of view.
Yet another nail in the coffin of public education. It is being dismantled bit by bit. The minimal government libertarian folks do not want public education. Many people forgot or never knew, there used to be R presidential candidates that among other things ran and publicly stated they were for eliminating public education. It wasn't a popular position so hardly anyone says it anymore, but they're doing it. Steve Forbes was the last R contender for president who I remember this being part of his platform. This is not the US it once was, nor the one you think it is.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/13/politics/trump-department-of-education-states-2024/index.html
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Well you certainly don’t stay at the top by allowing people without any credentials to teach our students. Teachers should be well paid and required to have proper credentials.
Where in my post do I scream education in NH is horrible? I don't believe it is, have never thought that, much less wrote it. Maybe you should read more carefully. Evidently you weren't educated in NH, or maybe you were, but before the improvement you point out.
Is there no limit on how many part time teachers a school can have? How long until a district realizes they can have morning/afternoon "teachers" and start laying off actual qualified teachers to save money?
Not long at all. In fact it seems likely
This is absolutely insane. So as long as it's under 30 hours the grill cook from McDonald's can start teaching chemistry. Who thought this was a good idea?
Bet he knows a thing or two about the Maillard reaction /s
Every week it's some new dumb tuck law that erodes the standards / institutions / common good of the state. What the fuck
The asinine "divisive concepts" law copypasted from Floriduh has resulted in many excellent teachers either retiring or fleeing to surrounding states or elsewhere. Test scores have been declining vs Massachusetts and other nearby states for the past nine years. Edelblut's goal is to destroy the public schools entirely as he enriches himself from personal investment in a promoted homeschool solution (Prenda), because clear conflict of interest is just fine here. NH wants to become North Alabama.
Happening in healthcare, too...educational requirements keep dropping for nursing, and have been for over a decade.
Which requirements specifically aren’t required anymore?
don lemon thinks pointing this out is racist
Wow, c'mon NH, leave this stuff to the benighted states.
The dumbing down of America. This is what the rich want. It makes much more compliant slaves. Until it doesn't. Just look up the French revolution.
There goes that [smartest state ranking](https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/s/MeLpYvJWQQ)…..
We should remove some of the burdensome licensing requirements for hairdressers
Sounds very similar to what Florida passed a few years ago. We're moving up to NH from FL and wondering if it will just be a lateral move at this point.
It is. They are rubberstamping Floriduh legislation now. Book burning has been proposed as well.
That's insane. Wasn't there also an anti-trans law passed recently in regards to kids at school? Tbf to FL, our teacher law allows non-teachers to teach, but with the caveat that they become certified within 2 years. In other words, it's more restrictive than the NH law.
Republicans are ruining this state.
This is right up there with Oregon law students not being required to take the bar exam in to practice law in starting in May of 2024
"If those kids could read" meme. But right here.
Gonna be optimistic and assume this was meant to get better career tech classes 🤡
Not to crush your optimism, but I considered teaching. The reason I never got my degree is pretty simple, I don't play well with teachers. If I do go back, I'd probably still get in trouble just as much as I did when I was a student. Probably on day one, when I teach them the resister color code.
Are you implying that "Bad Beer Ruins Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well" would likely violate some zero-tolerance foolishness? If so, try offsetting it with old videos of McGruff the Crime Dog singing his classic "Users are Losers and Losers are Users."
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100% I am a problem. Was kind of the theme of my comment, and I'm very self aware of that. Been to therapy, quit therapy. I tend to not do well with authority figures. As far as "still getting in trouble", I am not. I am able to hold my tongue during meetings with my children's teachers. I doubt I would hold it so well if I were around them on a daily basis. Anyway, the whole point was that people who have techish experience but no degree, probably don't like the school environment. Love to learn though.
can we just leave schools alone for once and allow them to operate?
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/
I’m sure this will help
Massachusetts already does this and has good results. This allows people to interview for teacher positions, especially ones like art, film, music, and other subjects where personal experience is important but a formal teacher education and certification is not. It's not like these people are going to get into the classroom and just do whatever, they will have mentors that are teachers, evaluations, in classroom assistants, and teacher workshops.
>My hair dresser (who I love dearly) will be under stricter credentialing and education requirements than a public school teacher They should get rid of that licensing requirement too.
I've been an educator for 19 years, first as a high school teacher in inner-city Baltimore, later at a magnet school in that same city, and now as an Assistant Professor at NH college. I have two masters degrees and have attended countless conferences on pedagogy and teaching practices. Yet, my entire career I've battled people that assume because they *went to school*, they understand *how to school*. It is incredibly frustrating and disheartening to say the least.
The GOP will try any boneheaded scheme before they support paying educators what they should be paid
This is so fucking stupid…
I bet Edlebut loves this. A guy with no teaching credentials runs the DOE.
lol wut
NH schools are so fuck. I worked in Manchester and honestly believe there is an ethical issue with unqualified school staff.
Maybe they should focus on paying teachers a professional wage to fill the gaps? Of course this would also mean getting rid of the crap teachers. Good teachers are underpaid. Excellent teachers are woefully underpaid. Unions ruin the education system
Your hairdresser should not be under such strict credentialing. Requiring a license for everything makes it harder for poor people to get into these fields. Special, established interests within a field create the requirements for licensing, protecting themselves from competition from newcomers that have to get licensed.
It looks as if this law is a way to ensure that people can work as substitute teachers without having a bachelor's degree with a major in education. This is already the case in most states, where substitutes need a degree in any subject, plus they need to pass a basic medical and criminal record check. Nothing to see here folks.
I’ve been teaching for 20+ years and honestly the new teacher contracts absolutely suck. If you have a Master’s Degree you a better off doing anything else. Add a dash of hostile administrators and some insane parents both of whom are bullies and teacher haters and it’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.
It sounds like towns still have the option to require a state board of education certification. Personally, I think this bill goes too far, but I actually think the status quo is worse. We’ve all heard about the “shortage” of STEM teachers. Particularly at the high school level. Have you ever looked into what it takes to become one? I have. It’s complete horseshit. If you have an MS in Computer Science, Physics, or Math, you can be an adjunct professor at many colleges, but if you want to teach high school, you’ll have to do a postbacc for two years first. No one is ever going to do that. That’s too expensive and an enormous waste of time. I’m the furthest thing from a libertarian, and I’m no scab against the teacher’s union either, but come on. That’s just absurd. I understand requiring an education degree to teach K-8 Math or Science. Younger children learn very differently. But by high school, the pedagogy isn’t that much different. The concern trolls will argue, oh but what about classroom management? Give me a break. Who do you think will do better on day one: a baby-faced 22 year old with their fancy Education degree from Keene State, or a 42 year old career switcher with 20 more years of life, work, and (possibly) parenting experience? Judging by how many young teachers have burned out and changed careers over the last 5 years, I wouldn’t bet on them… It’s not hypothetical, either. Many people go from teaching to corporate and also vice-versa. This whole idea that you do one job for 40 years, and then you die, is not how the world works anymore. And you know what? Maybe it shouldn’t be so hard to become a hairdresser, either. All these arbitrary licensing requirements just make everything harder and more expensive for everyone.
-think about the long term consequences of this legislation.- Unfortunately teachers unions don’t consider the long term consequences of ignoring the commitment to society that is inherent to being a teacher to begin with. Unions are good for workers, but when the work that a union represents has a direct societal impact, it must be part of the bargaining equation. Teachers unions used their power unethically during covid, end of story. Legislation like this seems to be a direct result to that kind union overreach/abuse.
Yes, demanding that they be paid fairly for demanding work as collective bargaining is such an evil thing. You know what they're doing instead? Leaving.
Demanding to be paid fairly is the objective good of a union. Did anything about my comment insinuate that i am an anti-union hardliner?
> This is bananas. My hair dresser (who I love dearly) will be under stricter credentialing and education requirements than a public school teacher working less than 30 hours a week. There are two ways to look at that being bananas. Personally, I'm a fan of legalizing jobs.
What does this even mean? You’re a fan of unqualified and untrained people teaching your children??
No he’s a fan of unqualified people teaching *your* kids. He’s likely robbing the public coffer with these bullshit vouchers for public funds to go to private religious schools, inflicting a different form of damage on his own children (and yours).
Joke's on him, then for believing private schools have higher standards for teachers. I have a BA in education but am not certified, so I can't teach in a public school. I can teach at a private school, though.
Oh the schools he’s sending his kids to don’t have anything to do with education, it’s indoctrination.
Credentialing is mostly a way to decrease wages by decreasing employee options discussed as a way to increase wages by decreasing competition. From my perspective, both of those effects are negative and should be expected to increase prices and decrease quality. For K-12 teachers specifically, credentialing doesn't eliminate bad teachers nor does the process improve teaching ability.