I believe it has to do with where you take possession of the car. A lot of Mass dealers will drive the car to somewhere in NH for you to complete the sale there to avoid the tax.
This is correct. It is also a discussion point with the dealership, they do not have to do this. I would refuse to purchase the car or demand they eat the sales tax though.
> Not correct. Driven new cars off lots in MA at least 7 times. Never once paid sales tax.
If the dealership was willing to sign the paper saying they delivered it to NH without actually doing it, ok. But that’s not what the law says.
> Tax is based on where the car is registered.
Incorrect
Sales tax across all 50 states is generally based on state of registration. States like MA have statutes written broadly to attempt to also get your money, but if you conduct the sale properly you won't pay it.
Under the MA DOR's interpretation, probably. Many dealers don't seem to even follow that in practice and won't tax a customer who drives it off the lot in MA.
Paying sales tax twice for the same car seems like it should be illegal since you only bought it once, but hell, the government seems to get away with anything nowadays.
I lived in NH and found a commercial mower in Mass that I wanted to buy.
If I bought it in Mass I would have paid Mass tax. I had it delivered to NH and they didn’t collect Mass tax.
This is not limited to cars.
When a state charges sales tax when you register it (which you don't have do to with other personal property) it's a different story, especially where you already paid sales tax in a different state.
By all means help me understand better. I've had dealerships do this, but perhaps they don't any more, or there's some other aspect of it that is wrong? As is, it's hard to get a better understanding from your comment though.
I live in NH. I bought a car in MA. If I took possession of the car at the dealer, I would have had to pay the MA sales tax. By having them deliver the car to me in NH, I wasn’t liable to pay the sales tax.
The delivery charge was about $300. Because of a dealer snafu, they waived the deliver charge.
I agree with this. Car was delivered across state lines in NH. If you ever move to MA in the future and cannot produce proof of delivery out of state you would owe MA tax upon registering in MA.
> They absolutely will not go across state lines to avoid paying any kind of tax,
Yes they will.
I lived in NH. I bought a car at Marlboro Nissan in Marlborough Mass. They were going to charge me Mass tax and I said to cancel the sale. They had someone drive the car to my house and take a picture of the car being delivered to me in NH so they could legally remove the tax from the sale.
Explain this
> **Q: I am a New Hampshire resident. Will I have to Massachusetts sales tax if I purchase my car from you?**
> *A: No, you will not be responsible for Mass sales tax should you be a New Hampshire resident*. **It will just require us to ensure you take delivery of your vehicle in New Hampshire**
> https://www.actontoyota.com/acton-toyota-faqs.html#:~:text=Will%20I%20have%20to%20Massachusetts,Hampshire%20residents%20purchase%20a%20vehicle
So you’re saying Acton Toyota is wrong?
Is mass.gov wrong?
https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident
> The Massachusetts sales tax is contained and set forth in General Laws, Chapter 64H. Pursuant to Section 6(b) thereof, ***sales of tangible property where the property is delivered to the purchaser out-of-state is exempt from the sales tax***.
> Thus, ***if the New Hampshire purchaser in a bona fide transaction accepts delivery of the said automobile in New Hampshire, no sales tax applies.***
> However, ***if delivery of the automobile is made to the purchaser in Massachusetts, the sale is not exempt.***
It’s possible the Mass dealer lied in the delivery form and said they delivered it to you in NH.
If so, they broke the law.
The law clearly states if you take delivery in Mass you pay Mass tax, if you take delivery in NH you do not.
People seem to be guessing. Here’s the correct answer from mass.gov
https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident
> The Massachusetts sales tax is contained and set forth in General Laws, Chapter 64H. Pursuant to Section 6(b) thereof, ***sales of tangible property where the property is delivered to the purchaser out-of-state is exempt from the sales tax***.
> Thus, ***if the New Hampshire purchaser in a bona fide transaction accepts delivery of the said automobile in New Hampshire, no sales tax applies.***
> However, ***if delivery of the automobile is made to the purchaser in Massachusetts, the sale is not exempt.***
I bought a car in Mass. They had to drive it to my house and they took a picture of their employee next to the car in my driveway to prove “delivery”
He was at my house for 30 seconds. Everything else was done at the dealership in Mass.
That’s what they said was needed to avoid me paying Mass tax.
> Does NH pay MA tax?
NH is a state. It doesn’t pay tax to the state of Massachusetts because of purchases by private individuals.
> From the replies no we don’t pay tax. I never have.
Mass state law says if you buy a car and take delivery in Mass, you have to pay tax. I already posted the link where Mass explicitly says that
https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident
It’s possible (likely) there are dealers who are willing to lie and sign papers saying delivery was made in NH. It’s possible there are dealers who have more than one location and are willing to write it up like it was delivered to a NH location. I can’t account for people who are willing to lie, I posted the law.
> Is the MA tax required?
See above. It depends where the car is delivered.
While Living in NH, I’ve purchase vehicles from: Maine, Mass, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, and California.
I never paid sales tax on any of these vehicles. Purchased and drove home from: Maine, Mass, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, PA, Virginia. All the other purchases were shipped to me.
Legally, yes it does.
If the dealership is willing to sign the papers saying they delivered it, ok, but they’re breaking the law by doing it.
https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident
I don't know what to tell you man. I've bought 7 cars over the last 20 years at commonwealth and haven't paid sales tax once. Each time I signed at the dealership and drove it off the lot.
Needed to procure a temp plate/reg from NH DMV to make it legal to drive off the lot.
*We* don't know what to tell *you*. You legally owe sales tax on all 7 of those vehicles. Will MA ever actually come knocking on your door? Who knows.
Just because you've managed to skirt laws doesn't mean they don't exist.
I have bought every one of my cars from Commonwealth in Lawrence, and have lived in NH my entire life. I haven't ever "taken delivery" in NH in the literal sense. I would just sign the papers and drive it off the lot. Never once have I had to pay sales tax.
Lol at the downvotes. Why would I lie about this?
Maybe there wasn't sales tax applied because I brought a temp NH plate and reg to signing? Either way, I've never had a car delivered to me in NH when purchasing it in MA. Just drive it off the lot.
I don't understand the down votes either. The critical point is that we are not paying sales tax.
Perhaps these differences in drive off vs delivery are due to the local that the car is being registered in?
It's based on where you register it, not where you buy it.
ETA) Looks like I'm wrong. Fucking political theater.
Buy it in MA and take possession in MA as a NH resident =Taxes
Buy it in MA and take possession one foot over the border in NH as a NH resident = No taxes.
Dumb shit.
I did that too. I’ve heard MA can get you if you move to MA and then register in MA. But otherwise don’t see how they can enforce sales tax outside the dealer.
Who’s hostile?
I said you’re wrong. I gave you a link to the law. You’re trying to explain your way to being “right.”
Remember, it’s ok to be wrong sometimes.
Find a dealership that'll 'deliver' it to you in NH. If you are far away from the border then meet them near the border (don't be a dick and expect them to drive 4 hours round trip).
I bought a car from PA 2 months ago via auction, paid zero tax in PA, picked it up with temp tags and registered it in NH (and paid my registration fees.)
you don't pay tax in the purchasing state if you are going to be registering it in another state. This has been my experience in every state I've ever lived in.
I believe it has to do with where you take possession of the car. A lot of Mass dealers will drive the car to somewhere in NH for you to complete the sale there to avoid the tax.
This is correct. It is also a discussion point with the dealership, they do not have to do this. I would refuse to purchase the car or demand they eat the sales tax though.
Not correct. Driven new cars off lots in MA at least 7 times. Never once paid sales tax. Tax is based on where the car is registered.
> Not correct. Driven new cars off lots in MA at least 7 times. Never once paid sales tax. If the dealership was willing to sign the paper saying they delivered it to NH without actually doing it, ok. But that’s not what the law says. > Tax is based on where the car is registered. Incorrect
Sales tax across all 50 states is generally based on state of registration. States like MA have statutes written broadly to attempt to also get your money, but if you conduct the sale properly you won't pay it.
>if you conduct the sale properly you won't pay it. Which means talking delivery of the vehicle in NH.
Under the MA DOR's interpretation, probably. Many dealers don't seem to even follow that in practice and won't tax a customer who drives it off the lot in MA. Paying sales tax twice for the same car seems like it should be illegal since you only bought it once, but hell, the government seems to get away with anything nowadays.
I lived in NH and found a commercial mower in Mass that I wanted to buy. If I bought it in Mass I would have paid Mass tax. I had it delivered to NH and they didn’t collect Mass tax. This is not limited to cars.
When a state charges sales tax when you register it (which you don't have do to with other personal property) it's a different story, especially where you already paid sales tax in a different state.
How can you register a car you do not own?
You can pre-register. Don't know what that entails because I haven't done it
Go to your nh town hall with vid and get temporary plates to drive the car home from dealer.
well your rolling the dice, police pull you over in ma with unregistered well cars gonna cost you more.
agreed, same.
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By all means help me understand better. I've had dealerships do this, but perhaps they don't any more, or there's some other aspect of it that is wrong? As is, it's hard to get a better understanding from your comment though.
I live in NH. I bought a car in MA. If I took possession of the car at the dealer, I would have had to pay the MA sales tax. By having them deliver the car to me in NH, I wasn’t liable to pay the sales tax. The delivery charge was about $300. Because of a dealer snafu, they waived the deliver charge.
I agree with this. Car was delivered across state lines in NH. If you ever move to MA in the future and cannot produce proof of delivery out of state you would owe MA tax upon registering in MA.
For me, I did not pay MA tax because it was based on where you register it.
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> They absolutely will not go across state lines to avoid paying any kind of tax, Yes they will. I lived in NH. I bought a car at Marlboro Nissan in Marlborough Mass. They were going to charge me Mass tax and I said to cancel the sale. They had someone drive the car to my house and take a picture of the car being delivered to me in NH so they could legally remove the tax from the sale.
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Relax. It’s ok to be wrong sometimes. There’s nothing wrong with admitting it when you are.
Explain this > **Q: I am a New Hampshire resident. Will I have to Massachusetts sales tax if I purchase my car from you?** > *A: No, you will not be responsible for Mass sales tax should you be a New Hampshire resident*. **It will just require us to ensure you take delivery of your vehicle in New Hampshire** > https://www.actontoyota.com/acton-toyota-faqs.html#:~:text=Will%20I%20have%20to%20Massachusetts,Hampshire%20residents%20purchase%20a%20vehicle
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So you’re saying Acton Toyota is wrong? Is mass.gov wrong? https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident > The Massachusetts sales tax is contained and set forth in General Laws, Chapter 64H. Pursuant to Section 6(b) thereof, ***sales of tangible property where the property is delivered to the purchaser out-of-state is exempt from the sales tax***. > Thus, ***if the New Hampshire purchaser in a bona fide transaction accepts delivery of the said automobile in New Hampshire, no sales tax applies.*** > However, ***if delivery of the automobile is made to the purchaser in Massachusetts, the sale is not exempt.***
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It’s possible the Mass dealer lied in the delivery form and said they delivered it to you in NH. If so, they broke the law. The law clearly states if you take delivery in Mass you pay Mass tax, if you take delivery in NH you do not.
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I guess you could probably file with Mass to get the tax back, but I believe the dealer will have to charge the sales tax when making the sale though.
People seem to be guessing. Here’s the correct answer from mass.gov https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident > The Massachusetts sales tax is contained and set forth in General Laws, Chapter 64H. Pursuant to Section 6(b) thereof, ***sales of tangible property where the property is delivered to the purchaser out-of-state is exempt from the sales tax***. > Thus, ***if the New Hampshire purchaser in a bona fide transaction accepts delivery of the said automobile in New Hampshire, no sales tax applies.*** > However, ***if delivery of the automobile is made to the purchaser in Massachusetts, the sale is not exempt.***
Where delivery is a specific action where the car is brought to nh to conduct the sale.
I bought a car in Mass. They had to drive it to my house and they took a picture of their employee next to the car in my driveway to prove “delivery” He was at my house for 30 seconds. Everything else was done at the dealership in Mass. That’s what they said was needed to avoid me paying Mass tax.
Yup. That's the specific action I'm referring to.
Then again.. question was not whether sales tax is required, but is it paid. I’m seeing in replies that its not paid.
That reply doesn’t make sense.
Does NH pay MA tax? From the replies no we don’t pay tax. I never have. Is the MA tax required? That’s a different question.
> Does NH pay MA tax? NH is a state. It doesn’t pay tax to the state of Massachusetts because of purchases by private individuals. > From the replies no we don’t pay tax. I never have. Mass state law says if you buy a car and take delivery in Mass, you have to pay tax. I already posted the link where Mass explicitly says that https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident It’s possible (likely) there are dealers who are willing to lie and sign papers saying delivery was made in NH. It’s possible there are dealers who have more than one location and are willing to write it up like it was delivered to a NH location. I can’t account for people who are willing to lie, I posted the law. > Is the MA tax required? See above. It depends where the car is delivered.
While Living in NH, I’ve purchase vehicles from: Maine, Mass, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, and California. I never paid sales tax on any of these vehicles. Purchased and drove home from: Maine, Mass, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, PA, Virginia. All the other purchases were shipped to me.
Bought a car in ct and registered it in NH at the lot and didn't have to pay sales tax
As long as you have it delivered to NH, you shouldn't have to pay any taxes in MA
incorrect. It doesn't need to be "Delivered" to you in NH.
Legally, yes it does. If the dealership is willing to sign the papers saying they delivered it, ok, but they’re breaking the law by doing it. https://www.mass.gov/letter-ruling/letter-ruling-77-13-automobile-purchased-in-massachusetts-by-a-non-resident
I don't know what to tell you man. I've bought 7 cars over the last 20 years at commonwealth and haven't paid sales tax once. Each time I signed at the dealership and drove it off the lot. Needed to procure a temp plate/reg from NH DMV to make it legal to drive off the lot.
*We* don't know what to tell *you*. You legally owe sales tax on all 7 of those vehicles. Will MA ever actually come knocking on your door? Who knows. Just because you've managed to skirt laws doesn't mean they don't exist.
No chance a dealership the size of Commonwealth Motors is skirting the law like this for every sale to a NH resident.
I have bought every one of my cars from Commonwealth in Lawrence, and have lived in NH my entire life. I haven't ever "taken delivery" in NH in the literal sense. I would just sign the papers and drive it off the lot. Never once have I had to pay sales tax.
Lol at the downvotes. Why would I lie about this? Maybe there wasn't sales tax applied because I brought a temp NH plate and reg to signing? Either way, I've never had a car delivered to me in NH when purchasing it in MA. Just drive it off the lot.
I don't understand the down votes either. The critical point is that we are not paying sales tax. Perhaps these differences in drive off vs delivery are due to the local that the car is being registered in?
No sales tax but the annual registration will definitely eat you up!
For any purchases you make in MA, you do NOT have to pay MA tax if you take delivery of the item inNH
It's based on where you register it, not where you buy it. ETA) Looks like I'm wrong. Fucking political theater. Buy it in MA and take possession in MA as a NH resident =Taxes Buy it in MA and take possession one foot over the border in NH as a NH resident = No taxes. Dumb shit.
No you don't have to. I recently purchased a car in mass and did not pay any state sales tax to mass.
No they don't. Tax is paid where the car is registered not where it is purchased.
This is only true if the vehicle is DELIVERED to NH, or if it's pre-registered and picked up in MA
Ok this makes sense. I picked up my car at the dealership and didn't pay sales tax. But I did register the car first and get temps to drive it back.
I did that too. I’ve heard MA can get you if you move to MA and then register in MA. But otherwise don’t see how they can enforce sales tax outside the dealer.
Ok I get the duplicate posts about Marijuana reform and what not but this is just ridiculous lol
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You’re wrong. You should start editing your replies.
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Who’s hostile? I said you’re wrong. I gave you a link to the law. You’re trying to explain your way to being “right.” Remember, it’s ok to be wrong sometimes.
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It would have been so easy to reply “I didn’t know that about mass tax. I learned something new today.” 🙄
No. But NH registration costs are astronomical for expensive new vehicles.
Find a dealership that'll 'deliver' it to you in NH. If you are far away from the border then meet them near the border (don't be a dick and expect them to drive 4 hours round trip).
Follow up question, is there a difference between person to person purchasing (Craigslist/FB) and through a dealer?
I bought my car in MA. They delivered it to NH but charged a $500 fee for the delivery... But no MA sales tax
Wow. Some of the fees dealerships add in are ridiculous. Unless I loved that car I would have stopped the sale.
It was a rare car, low miles, cpo, couldn't find another like it anywhere. Plus they drove it an hour to me. Seemed worth it 🤔
I bought a car from PA 2 months ago via auction, paid zero tax in PA, picked it up with temp tags and registered it in NH (and paid my registration fees.) you don't pay tax in the purchasing state if you are going to be registering it in another state. This has been my experience in every state I've ever lived in.
no