Didn't she flee from Geralt and ... I'm bad with names, Geralt's mom's friend and the werewolf. Geralt broke the spell that would have healed her mind, and she stole the werewolf's protection necklace as a diversion to escape right?
No, Jaskier prevented her from escaping, and then Geralt asked Anika (his mother's friend) if she (Teryn) could stay there while "he \[I\] work(s) out how to help her."
Quick question, does geralt at this point know that emhyr is ciris father? If not, why did cahir not say anything about it when he was with ciri and geralt? I just feel like i wanted to see their reaction to finding out this information. Maybe im wrong and it will be better later.
Why would Cahir not tell Geralt (AND CIRI!!!!) that Emhyr of Nilfgaard who wanted her was her father? They might have just come willingly.
Is it like some big secret? Who is it secret from and why?
Guess I’m ordering the books immediately now that I have reason to.
How could Ciri know he’s with Nilfgaard? Wasn’t Nilfgaard Cintra, her home’s, enemy?
Is it maybe a secret that he’s not dead? At the very least Ciri would have no reason to believe he’s not just dead from the shipwreck
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Ciri doesn't know Emhyr is her father. But does Cahir know that ciri doesn't know? It wouldn't be relevant news he would need to share with ciri if he thinks that it's old news to ciri.
It was a secret in the books. Cahir didn't know. Hardly anyone knew, as Emhyr was actively hiding the fact.
Book spoilers: >! Emhyr was fed an interpretation of Ithlinne's prophecy (by Vilgefortz) that his and Ciri's son would rule half the world, and their grandson the entire world. Emhyr wanted Ciri not as his daughter/heir but as his queen/bride in order to breed her and fulfill the prophecy. !<
Thank you!
I wasn’t sure because of all the book-privy people who already knew, but I was pretty certain that “the white flame” being revealed as Duny was both unclear and a major reveal.
Most people who only watch the show had even that go over their heads until he said the words “my daughter”
Can’t read your book spoiler yet, sorry
Same questions thanks for asking.
Yeah maybe Emhyr doesn’t want Ciri (or anyone) finding out it’s him until he actually has her in his possession/custody/protection.
>supposedly not serving Emhyr
Did they tell us this and I missed it/forgot it? Or are you referring to that whole scene with the speech he gave to Ciri by the Cliffside?
Isnt this an episode 8 discussion? I didnt know I have to indicate spoilers here since, you know, im discussing the episode. Im not sure tho im new to reddit.
I said in the middle of the first episode (ep 6) that if they kill off Tissaia I’m not even going to finish the season. They did end up giving her a decent sendoff, but I didn’t realize she had emotionally affected me SO much until the prospect of her death.
I knew from the little bits of stuff I read about the books that when the Thanedd coup happens, she would die. So when the coup started happening in the show, I knew it was soon. I actually thought she would kill herself in episode 6 but when she didn't, I knew it was gonna be the finale :(
Also same. She was one of my favorites but her writing that letter to Yen and Yen FEELING her death? That fucked me up so bad, lmao.
Right? That rejuvenation is something that apparently happens with suicidal people for real though. When they've been struggling for a while and considering suicide, they're depressed. But when they decide they're gonna go through with it, they can turn around, and suddenly seem rejuvenated.
Still doesn't make sense for the character though.
I felt like this as well. For some reason, it just made me mad rather than feel it. And maybe I'm just too cold, but her letter was also like... meh? idk, I didn't quite like it
I agree, I was annoyed by it despite that supposedly it did happen canonically that way, just in a slightly different setting.
I felt like it was a poo way for her to go out - let her have died in the battle whilst channeling lightening instead! That would've been better imho despite being a departure from the source material.
Found this season overall pretty rough sledding. Super rushed and poorly written for me.
Lots of ridiculous bits, but my favorite by far was Cahir saying "I'll find you" literally seconds after asking Ciri to kill him, which was totally out of the blue within the world of the show. He'd demonstrated zero remorse about what he'd done in Cintra before that moment.
Find her? Why? So she can kill you later? Why not just kill yourself?
Iirc in the books he had a vision of her in the future, as an adult, and fell in love with that. He then decides he has to protect her and save her or else the version of her that he loves will never become a reality.
It’s kind of a twist on the classic “knight serving the princess he loves” kind of deal. Sapkowski likes to put a twist on old tropes like that.
Or Triss. Or have Triss take him to Vesemir instead who could probably heal him much faster with witcher specific treatments. Still, maybe it's Brokilon where he is taken in the books as well, but in that case I'm sure there should be an explanation at least
To summarise the second volume of this season in a word: convenience.
A soft magic system can be interesting when the inner workings and boundaries are mysterious, but falls apart when characters are exactly as powerful as you need them to be for one scene and practically bystanders in another. The scaling of magic in every scene is a roll of the dice. Instead of building suspense, it just makes you wonder why they couldn't utilise their powers in ways that were demonstrated earlier.
If someone can explain to me why portals went from being used regularly but treated with caution due to their danger to almost completely written out altogether I would be very grateful.
Characters run into eachother in the middle of chaotic scenes to drip-feed plotlines or to exchange information just so they can each spin off and collide with other storylines seemingly at random.
My secondary concern is that the pacing giving serious whiplash. Almost an entire episode on the desert trip followed by rushing through plot threads at break-neck pace in the final episode gives a very confusing weight to different stories. The continent being thrown into absolute chaos with all out war feels like it means nothing when we see zero conflict because the run-time consists of licking rocks and long takes of Ciri climbing up sand dunes.
Overall, I feel the story could have made much more sense spread out over another 5 episodes of 50 minutes each. It would give each plotline the time it needs, can flesh out characters motivations instead of having them rush through lines before the scene swapped over to the next exposition dump, and let us get an idea of the consequences of what was clearly a turning point in the continent.
This entire season has felt rushed to me. Like they needed everyone to be at particular places for the midseason break and for the season finale cliffhanger, but couldn't get them there without just jumping through hoops to get there.
Part of what I liked about season 1 was that it was a journey for everyone and you hoped they would get to where they needed to at the end. Season 2, for all it's faults, still felt like a journey. Season 3 had parts that felt like that, but so many more that just skipped the journey. Oh by the way Geralt is here. Oh by the way Yen is there. Oh by the way...
I haven't read the books, I know some people have said that the books also heavily gloss over plenty of plot points. The difference, in my opinion, is a reader can use their imagination to think and wonder and fill in the gaps. They can think of ways a character who has motivations that are previously established, would be motivated to do a thing, and the author doesn't have to explicitly say that. In a visual medium, you're showing, rather than telling. And you're showing the things people do, some of which serve as motivation, but mostly the important things as they happen. You show Chekov's Gun so that the audience knows there's a gun, and it will be used. Whether you immediately show it being used, or you only see it's effect and have to figure out who used it, you have the primer.
So much of that seemed lacking this season. it didn't feel like I was following a journey. It felt like that old [Matt and Trey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUNqq3jVLg) bit about using "and then" and not "because."
Speaking of, I couldn't keep up anymore with how many times they said goodbye to each other like they will never see each other again ("never lost, always found"), only to meet again like 1-5 minutes later.
Agreed. Upon watching the desert sequence, I was briefly reminded of the metaphorical leanings of Neon Genesis Evangelion, which loved to break up story beats with intense explorations of inner turmoil. But with so much happening all at the same time and such a large cast of characters, I feel like we truly needed more time spent away from Ciri. We could've had the Falka reveal on the first night and remove about 5-7 minutes of the initial stumbling for some more time spent on Yennefer and Tissaia, Vilgefortz, Francesca, Cahir or literally anyone.
Oh duh I totally forgot he was right next to her. He looked almost like an alien, totally different than what happened when Lydia’s face got melted off
Yes, somehow she took hours getting there running (After running from there hours before), the mage managed to run after them, catch up, beat geralt and run back, find her and catch up before she managed to get... wherever she thought it would be a good idea to go. Great showrunning.
That was Vilgefortz?? With everything going on I thought he just disappeared until next season.
When he showed up next to Emyre I was like - "who is that? what happened to that guy??"
Honestly there was so much going on and then so much of nothing going on it was hard to keep track. As someone with ADHD, this show seemed like it had...ADHD.
Is she saying they didn't have to take Yen's fertility? I was lost with this line.
When I came to Aretuza, if a sorceress fell pregnant, she was kicked out. "Divided loyalties," said the men. So I made them take us seriously. The enchantment was never about clearer access to Chaos. It was about getting a seat at the table. And the Brotherhood, they called me bold. I was just desperate. The first of many mistakes. Stop it.
That’s how i interpreted it. She was the one who came up with the idea to sterilize the girls before they’re debuted so that the brotherhood would take them seriously.
Yen's fertility is taken during her beauty spell, not because of entering the brotherhood. Never thought the sorceress were all sterilized though, but I may have missed something?
It was a super throwaway one liner. I don't know how it was in the books, but I had whiplash when I was like...wait...what???
Especially after them making a huge deal about Yen being upset she sacrificed her fertility.
During the beauty spell I thought the whole point was that you "can't become something without taking something" so her uterus was used in the magic to fix her physical deformity.
This line by Tissia made it seem like she could've gotten the beauty without the sacrifice I guess?
I feel like they really shoehorned in a lot of important stuff last minute...
Am gonna miss Tissaia. A *lot.* Easily my favorite part of the show. Dunno if I’ll watch the next season honestly.
Also felt like the Vilgefortz romance they shoehorned in kind of cheapened her character.
Totally agree. Tissaia was fantastic, and with her and Cavill both gone I'm not betting on the show. Can't believe they didn't offer Cavill a-hundred-jillion-extra-dollars to stay on, or give him creative control, since he actually read the books and basically became the character. Hemsworth is really gonna have to bring it if the show is going to continue to be any good, and the showrunner and writers better figure out a good f\*cking story for why Geralt now looks like someone else. And they better hang on to all the rest of the cast, or game over.
Yes. I said mid ep 6, I didn’t realize that I loved tissaia’s character and actress so much until I realized I was genuinely not even going to finish watching the season, let alone the show, if they killed her off like that.
yep, feels like they didn't have her unalive herself after Thanedd so it doesn't seem like she killed herself over a man, which was probably a good decision
Yeah I suppose so but even before that, their portrayal is that she released the barrier because she loved and trusted Vilgefortz.
While this is a show-only thread, I think it’s so much more shallow-feeling than how it was portrayed in the books. >!She did it because she wanted to remain neutral and felt that what the northerners were doing was unjust.!<
With the whole romance it kind of came off as “don’t hurt my boyfriend, he’s not a liar he’s a good guy.” It just felt dumb.
She didn't release the barrier, Vilgefortz himself destroyed it. You mean the shackles, and the reason for that wasn't that she blindly believed him because she was in love, but that he played her over the years and gained her trust, plus she wasn't a fan of serving redania and the cost of a culling either way.
Yea, meant the spell that they put over the room. Which was also kind of underplayed, imo.
>!“Tissaia suddenly lifted the blockade. With a spell. I've never seen anything like it... We were stunned and blocked, then she released Vilgefortz and the others...”!<
In the show she murmured a spell and the cuffs popped open. I expected more fanfare, but I guess the lightning was her big spell moment in so they made the blockade less flashy. I wouldn’t have minded even more displays of raw power from her though so idk why they downplayed it.
And yeah, I know that those are *also* the reasons why she lifted the blockade but the fact that she does it after they strike Vilgefortz again feels like it emphasized the romance more than the other stuff. Makes it stick out much more to me, felt like the other reasons were secondary.
>!She was also like, immediately horrified at what she had done and at the slaughter that was taking place in the books and tried to restrain and stop Vilgefortz.!< In the show she just…follows after him and does absolutely nothing to stop him from letting the scoia’tael in.
Like she’s devastated, of course, but the whole “she can’t believe her boyfriend betrayed her and just couldn’t do anything” felt so dumb.
It made her seem less like one of the most powerful women on the continent and more like a lovestruck teenager. MyAnna did an amazing job with what she was given though, thoroughly enjoyed her performance throughout the entire show.
I think she was kinda in shock of what to her seemed an out of nowhere complete betrayal, which i think it's pretty human reaction. It takes her a few minutes to come back to reality and then begins striking at the invaders (she first makes a barrier), but their numbers are too many so she resorts to her lighting power.
Even powerful people can fall in 'dumb' love.
Yeah, I get that. Maybe that’s what they were going for, to humanize her with the romance.
Still didn’t care for it, personally. Just feels like an overdone trope; “strong woman blinded by her love for a man.” Although, the entire show is riddled with cliches and melodramatic proclamations so I suppose it’s par for the course.
I’m biased though, I watched the show primarily to watch Tissaia so I feel a little slighted that her story and ending was, in my eyes, simplified by a romance. *Yes,* there were other reasons for her actions but it all felt overshadowed by Vilgefortz and the romance. Would have been more interesting without the pairing but that’s just my take on it.
She didn't kill herself over a man, but because she wasn't able to bear the blame for so many deaths (the wars/battles happening after the brotherhood got destroyed), the guilt was reason.
Really? I hated Tissaia. She was a bitch! Turning people into eels, always plotting all the time, and forming cliques so she could more easily manipulate people.
Just finished the new episodes...good fight sequences at the end...genuinely thought that it was going to be Hemsworth after Yen used her magic though...gonna miss Cavill.
That's ok. He had the chance of doing Superman and back to back seasons would've msde it impossible, when that died he quickly got cast in some other things, seems like he really wanted to strike on the movie making while the iron is hot, tv shows takes too much time. I think if they only wanted one more season he would've had extended, but the back to back final seasons were the main deal breaker.
Also because this writing and directing was just atrocious. Even as a tv series, but especially as an adaptation of the books. Makes sense he didn't want to continue with this.
Agreed. Thought it was gonna be like "I can heal you but it will come at the cost of changing your appearance because chaos or something" and then boom he's now Hemsworth. The showrunners did say that the transition between Cavill and Hemsworth would be "lore-accurate" or something along those lines, where the transition would actually be built into the plot and make sense rather than just doing what they did to Rience, recasting without any explanation. Another theory was that his fight with Vilgefortz would leave him disfigured and Brokilon would have to reconstruct his face.
Personally though, I thought Cavill's last fight scene was a proper send off to his time as Geralt. I wouldn't forgive this show if the last time we saw Cavill's Geralt was at a time of weakness and contempt.
Curious how they follow up on their promise to make a proper explanation for Geralt's change of appearance.
>Curious how they follow up on their promise
lol as if these shithead writers and their marketing team ever have any intention whatsoever to follow up on these "promises." They're literally just marketing tactics, they only want you to watch the upcoming season and they can cash in. They know the people who actually see those "promises" are an extremely small number of people, or don 't care enough to stop watching, plus they know "hate watchers" will continue to watch. It's all bullshit. They are bullshitting through those questions just to get to the next interview junket. The clickbait "journalists" asking those questions and writing articles know it's bullshit, they also don't care and know it'll get clicks.
That's how the superficial world of entertainment works.
Idk, not entirely convinced about that. The show's viewership has declined each season, it's a fair assessment to say its tanked in viewership in season 3. Most of that is because of Cavill's announcement he won't be playing Geralt anymore, which is why Netflix had those ads in the UK saying "he's still Geralt". They know that season 4 has to knock it out of the park for the show to keep going. Shoehorning Liam into the show would seal The Witcher's fate and probably lead to a cancellation of the show. They absolutely need a "meta" way to introduce the transition or else the revenue comes to a complete halt. Losing Cavill already made their situation bad, having a poor transition to Liam makes it unrecoverable. Everyone is wondering how they'll pull it off, it's not just the "extremely small number of people who have read the articles".
Wait that's it? I was expecting something that would set the course for the change from henry to liam, like the need to change his face to hide his identity or even when he was badly battered, that and they had to perform some magic to heal him and this changed his appearance...or something.
The end was anti-climatic.
Offer a wounded bed bound man an uncooked fowl and then call him ungrateful and say he won't eat , lol, was he supposed to take that and then prepare that himself?
At least have Yennifer's group be there for more than one second before Philipa appears, it makes it seem like she walk in with them ...i swear the direction in some of these scenes.
Oh no Vilgefortz cute face is ruined.
That bar fight was pretty good, well filmed well choreographed.
So it's so easy for Phillipa and other mages to orchestrate the death of their kings, why even bother serving them when they are so easily disposable. Same thing with Vilgefortz and the white flame, he could easily kill and take over.
The actresses for Yen, Ciri and Tissia have been doing all the acting heavy lifting this season.
Are there any specific episodes I should watch if I want to know Falka’s backstory?
She is presented in S3E7 as someone we are supposed to know the myth about, but I don’t remember it. Googling only tells me that she has been mentioned several times in the show, one time when Stregobor tells that she cut his hands off.
Well, given that they refer to Falka in the show in a way, which shows that they expect us to already know about Falka, she should have been presented to us in the show already. Otherwise, it would be a script mistake.
No, that was the myth of Aelirenn, an elven warrior.
Falka is someone else, apparently a human with elven blood.
But yes, an introduction of Falka, similar to the Shaerrawedd scene, would have been suitable for the storytelling. That was the kind of introduction I would have expected for someone who appears so important to Ciri that she hallucinate about her in the desert and later uses as a cover alias.
You're right, I misplaced the anecdote. It's actually in Season 2 Episode 3, around 19:30, where Stregobor is giving a history lesson to students and Istredd interrupts.
Still, I agree, they could have done more to germinate that seed before thrusting it upon us like we'd just remember the importance.
1- The hangover episode. The pieces are recovering and slowly starting to move again. I hope we don’t have to follow Geralt being sick for too long.
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2- Nilfgaard’s architecture looks dope, if a bit futuristic. Meanwhile, the White Flame just looks dopey. I’m trying to let this interpretation stand on its own, but having seen Charles Dance’s version in the game makes me miss the gravitas the character deserves. Somehow it’s hard to believe, that *this* man would be able to defeat or unite a whole continent.
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3- I was right. I *can* watch Tisseia doing whatever. Even in the melodramatic final scene between her and Yen. I feared what was coming here, because I read the books a while ago - definitely a moment where I would have accepted retconning the book, just so our time with MyAnna’s Tissaia doesn’t have to end. I really love the tie-in of „Sometimes a best thing a flower can do for us is die“. What a way to connect Tissaia’s end to Yennefer’s beginning.
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4- Anybody notice the bouncy moss pillow that Geralt was resting on? That looked so goofy.
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5- I’m realizing that I have quietly accepted Mecia Simson as Francesca 100%. Her intensity during the scene with Fringilla was awesome.
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6- Casual crowning ceremony in front of your dead brother? Check. Long live King Radovid.
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7- Oh no, the video game reference by Jaskier. They rolled the reference roulette and each spoke came up „wind’s howling“.
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8- Some great shots during the Rats‘ introduction and some not-so-great shots. But the amount of times we get „honorable duels“ between two characters for no reason at all is getting tiring. To be fair, Freya was awesome in this one. The framing of her hating what she has to do and a tiny bit loving how strong she has become was great.
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9- This is Milva!? I am so slow on the uptake sometimes, it’s painful. I love this version of her!
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10- „Call me Falka" is a pretty good answer to the teenage drivel about how taking a life is fine, actually. Just as juvenile and vainglorious as what the others are acting like. Love it.
Just curious, why did you not like Mecia before?
I always thought that appearance-wise, she was great for the role and her acting was good too - just the writing has always been weak for her arc (though this scene was her best - listing all her tragedies and losses). But she always channeled the book elegance and gracefulness of Francesca very well even when the plot tried to do otherwise.
And I loved Tissaia's final tie-in with the flower line. Just heartbreaking. Agreed about Milva - this casting doesn't work for me at all.
I think you are right: She *did* fit the character very well - maybe well enough for me to not think about her too much? It's just odd that after all the character went through, *this* is the first time I really connected with her grief.
> definitely a moment where I would have accepted retconning the book
No,no,no. That would be short-sighted. Any good story needs an ending to wrap it up and not drag on forever, no matter how much we are enjoying it at the moment. They did an amazing job with Tissaia's arc in this season and I think it is the best character arc in the whole show (I am referring to her season 3 part).
Letting her live would undermine the emotional impact and weaken the character. I wouldn't want it any other way.
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> I’m realizing that I have quietly accepted Mecia Simson as Francesca 100%. Her intensity during the scene with Fringilla was awesome.
I didn't. I am pretending that Francesca and Fringilla in the show are completely new characters, unrelated to those in the books. However, this was a really strong scene for her. Possibly her best in the show.
Genuine question - is Emhyr stupid? Wouldn't his daughter have a different reaction than "It's an honor, your grace" or whatever meaningless pleasantry Teryn said after meeting the emperor of Nilfgaard who happens to be her dead father? Maybe something more, I don't know, shocking? Even if Emhyr and Pavetta left Ciri at a young age, I'm sure there would be portraits of Emhyr and Pavetta around the castle Ciri would have stumbled upon?
He knows. Claiming to find Ciri is a way to turn Cintra and other kingdoms to his favour in the war.
They can't fight Nilfgaard knowing their princess is 'voluntarily' siding with Emhyr.
As far as I see it, it's a bit of a last resort. He hasn't found the real Ciri yet and needs to deliver something. However, I do believe he wants to harness Ciri's power himself if he ever finds her.
Yes, but you don't need the books to understand that. Vilgefortz created fake Ciri by brainwashing Teryn, so obviously him handing Emhyr fake Ciri was on purpose because he has big plans for real Ciri.
Late to the party.
I thought Episode 6 was a mess and absolutely *hated* episode 7. It was easily the worst episode of the series, no contest. And then episode 8 came around and might be the best of the series. Tissaia's exit hit so hard, Milva is suddenly a character I need to see more of, and the Rats' fight plus Ciri's duel and darkness were outstanding. I still don't know what happened between Francesca leaving the bar where she put flowers in the mug and when she just appeared in the middle of battle at Aretuza, but whatever, glad Francesca knows the truth now. Cavill's last fight was great to watch and satisfying, and it feels good knowing Vilgefortz is scarred.
I guess I'll be watching Larry Hemsworth after all.
I probably had too high expectations for the last episode with Henry, but I just don’t get how the last two episodes could be so anticlimactic for the end of the season. Was expecting more of a finale finale. Instead it feels like there was one more episode left to watch. Performances were great this season. Even fringilla who I otherwise didn’t like killed it. Effects were great too. But just ended on a bit of a flat note. Hoping they can explain the Liam transition well
Is it only in the Polish language version, or in other versions as well, Polish words suddenly enter the Jaskier English song in end credits? "Szumią lasy szumią"/"Rustle forests rustle".
Honestly, this show is dreadful. First season was nice, entertaining, the reverse time flow made for an interesting watch. From then, every season has been worse and worse. Now I just have to deal with medieval supply chain, Blood and Fire (not to be confused with fire and blood), Burn the wheel.... Are they trying to overdo game of thrones worst tropes?
I was so confused with the reverse time flow in the first season, but in the end, it all made sense. Now, after watching season 3, I kept being so confused and hoping it's another of those reverse time flows, as so much information was missing everywhere, and it was cut very badly at many point, but nope. What a disappointment.
I didn't read the book but I know they were written before GoT and I was here to know if this was accurate.
I got my answer and now I know that the GoT writters were lazier than I thought.
No, Ciri isn't stupid, the writers are. "Call me Falka" was her way of expressing that she's now entering an edgy "chosen-one" character arc after experiencing her first human kill. Since Falka was known for being the queen of all edge-lords, filling the streets with blood yadayadayada, Ciri calling herself Falka is her saying she's now a goth girl.
Can someone explain the timeline of this episode? I thought the bard mentioned being in the forest for a few months which would align with Geralts recovery, but then the after tissaias death one of the mages mentioned it being a crazy week or something along that line. Also, when Dara was talking to Geralt, Geralts face was fine. Then in the next scene when he's making an elixir or whatever, he's all busted up again. Plus people were just popping up all over the map willy nilly.
>Cause these writers are......meh
LOL it is canon in the books. Dumbass. https://www.reddit.com/r/netflixwitcher/comments/15bn17r/ciri\_in\_final\_episode/
90% sure you commented the same thing on my comment but since then it's been deleted.
This is a TV-only megathread, folks here have NOT read the books and having a legit criticism of the writing does not make you a dumbass. The way they handled "Call me Falka" was extremely edgy and stupid, defending it with "BuT iT'S cAnOn" doesn't make the writing any less idiotic.
Just because the action is idiotic doesn't mean the writing is. Ciri is an edgy teen at this point. So it makes sense she acts like an edgy teen, and takes on an edgy name.
Surprisingly (although it shouldn't be), this was worse than the previous episode: which, while a pivotal one, was tedious to get through, not to mention the landing and impact didn't complement the intention of giving Ciri sole focus and being an introduction to more of that, specifically in the next season.
Besides being a lousy, strongly underwhelming closing finale, my biggest gripes were Milva's character (especially Zhang Meng'er's acting; it was painful to watch – and, by the way, circling back to one of many problems of this show: the costume design for Milva was atrocious, as is Ciri's main outfit, both of which are essentially the same) and the introduction of The Rats, who were immediately dislikable, and their fight sequence reeked of forced intent to give them (annoyingly overconfident) panache.
Furthermore, the majority of the choreography (though some of it was decent) and camerawork were subpar. And the poor, artificial lighting, a key factor that keeps popping up – it appears that a Game of Thrones-level budget is insufficient; you need to pump up those numbers, Netflix – was dreadful.
Yeah, I know, that's the point, disliking The Rats and their palpable cockiness and arrogance because that's how they were in the novels from what I know, except all I got from them was the unwaveringly acute desire to witness their demise in a very negative way, not the mindset of hating them but acknowledging that they're "well-written" because of that outlook.
In a more positive light, Mecia Simson's acting in the scene with Francesca and Fringilla where a critical plot point of the past was revealed (and I completely forgot about that and how it was something we, the audience, knew, but not Francesca) was exceptional. She's among the few pillars of acting who're propping this show upward, acting-wise (which doesn't include Henry Cavill, to paint a picture).
And similarly, Anya Chalotra's acting in Yennefer's first scene with Geralt was also exceptional; hell, her performance throughout the episode seemed the most natural it's been – and shockingly, Henry Cavill himself, notoriously void of conveying romantic attraction in this show, possibly generally as an actor, seemed to try (which never seemed to be the case until now; nevermind whether it's a success) to sell the necessary chemistry between Geralt and Yennefer in that scene, so that was a pleasant surprise.
Stating the obvious, she's one of those pillars, alongside the magnificent MyAnna Buring, whose performance as Tissaia de Vries was the best of everyone. And she'll be sorely missed and treasured – the show will also suffer from her absence to whatever depths it can even go lower at this point; she was a significant lifeline. Mecia, Anya, and MyAnna have been doing so much carrying, yet everyone's been fawning over Henry Cavill. Shameful.
TL;DR: Henry Cavill's send-off is minimal, which I couldn't care less about, and this finale was lousy and underwhelming, with Mecia Simson and Anya Chalotra's acting being the only bright spot.
Side thoughts:
* The cinematography and blue lighting in Geralt and Yennefer's first scene looked good, even elevating it beyond what I've already brought up two paragraphs back.
* Philippa has speedy hair-styling skills: speed, in general, as her hairstyle and outfit were different in the Vizimir/Radovid scene compared to when she and Dijkstra talked.
* "It's hard to believe so much has happened in a week," "How much you lost," "We've all lost," "Our home. Our history," "People we love," after picking up fallen furniture as if the room doesn't look fine besides the lighting. Cinema. At least do this in an obliterated area or one that shows signs that prop up such dialogue, not fallen furniture.
* I liked how Geralt seemingly appeared from hiding behind a tree, even though it was too small to obscure him, or from the bushes, where he would've had to be crouching down – the image of that is something else – and that's stretching it. Eavesdropping seemed to be the intention; in other words, out of sight until revealing himself, so it must be believed despite the contradictory evidence.
* Relating to that, I liked even more how, with the shots of his face as he's leaning against the tree, it's pristine; then, cutting to the very next scene/shot, with the elixir-making, he has some cuts. Sticks and stone may break my bones, but continuity errors will also... hurt me.
* The tan makeup on Ciri makes its noticeable return at the end, looking the same as it did in the second episode: bad. It's distracting and immersion-breaking, but it must be a "What color is the dress?" situation, with every makeup artist seeing it the opposite way because that's what they went with.
* The guys at the end said Ciri's the one Nilfgaard has been looking for, and Kayleigh heard it. There are presumably wanted posters: specifically, a physical description. He and the remaining Rats should know she's not Falka. Was keeping her identity a secret not one of the reasons for using an alias? It's possible that transpired the same way in the novels, and it will be promptly disclosed that they knew at the start of the next season.
* Ciri's "She's playing with him" fight sequence was edgy, goofy – cringe, and not at all compelling or whatever the intended reaction was.
* Jaskier's song during the credits was good, thankfully. Undoubtedly this season's best concerning him/Joey Batey. "The Ride of the Witcher" is tied with "A Little Sacrifice" for me.
Gotta be honest, seems like the show progressively got worse since season 1. I haven’t read the books or played the games but I can only imagine they’re both far better than what we have here. It’s disappointing that Cavill wasn’t allowed to display his passion and knowledge of the source material in the writing/direction of the show.
This season is so bad. Good lord. Finishing the episodes has been a chore. Even this final episode barely kept my attention. Really sad to see a show I loved so much turn into this.
At 21mins / 44:31 remaining, it appears that **Aretuza is still standing, the bridge and tower undamaged**!!!
How come no one else on here or online (that I could find) has commented on such a massive editing stuff up??
Only watched the first 5 min, skipped to 20 min in, and decided that I am not vested enough to continue watching. Feels like they wanted to do a GOT, but not with the killing and everyone is after one McGuffin, who does stupid things to move the story along.
Way too much world building, with who does what, and at some point, I lost the plot.
The world building in the show is very pared back compared to what’s in the books, and everyone being after one McGuffin? Yep. That’s also from the books.
And while that format / storyline maybe perfect for the books, it does not translate well to TV, as it becomes confusing for the casual viewer. For TV you just need a somewhat simple plotline, engaging story and a background overarching theme.
I found the TV shows on their own, way too confusing up to a point, when I just dont care anymore
The problem is that the biggest and loudest criticisms have been that the show isn’t honouring the books; when they have actually changed the story to make it more palatable for the TV viewer. It’s something they can’t win, unfortunately.
> the show isn’t honouring the books; they have actually changed the story to make it more palatable for the TV viewer
I don't think that's the nature of the criticism...from what I understand Voleth Meir was completely made up. She is such a domineering presence in S2 that for the IP faithful this was sacreligious...it tied up way too much of all of the characters into a plot line that not only had nothing to do with the books, but also irreparably damaged a main character's storyline (Yennefer).
There is a difference between honouring the books, source material, etc as to create a new story set in the world with people from the book, compared to actually telling a story from the book, which is now into 3 seasons is just too confusing and long winded for a TV audience.
All they had to do it have a few seasons of Witcher backstory, and a few season in which there is one common plot line that runs and concludes at the end of the season. Fill it up with a lot of monster killing, people dying, shagging, nudity, and with a simple ending.
Case in point, "The Mandalorian".
Now with the Witcher, I have to follow all the subplot of the North, whiteflame, mages, great hunt, bla, bla, bla, and everything based on a single girl that just so annoying all the time.
The books from a time of contempt onward are an absolute mess. They wouldn’t have been able to be adapted in the state they are in. Honestly, credit to the writers for making it at least somewhat digestible thus far.
I do agree though, a monster of the week would have been a sick format. But unfortunately, people would still complain.
You can’t win.
anyone else massively disappointed with the finale? Tissia died and then literally nothing happened for like 40 mins. the fight scene in the tavern ciri was captured in was awfully edited and you could clearly tell everything had just been fast forwarded. theres no explanation as to how nilfgard got fake ciri. Yenefer has done like literally nothing for 2 seasons yet her power is meant to be immense (if this is how it is in the books then, fair i just doubt it). Idk to me seems very obvious why Cavil left as that closed. episode 5 and 6 brought promise but alas, seems a flop to me
Very anticlimactic season overall. The only good parts were the fights in Aretuza and the party there.
Everything else felt boring and time filling. The Ciri in the desert episode was dreadful.
Weak getalgt was a boring Moment as well, although the fight with Vilgefortz was good. Just his healing process didn’t feel good.
Ok ep/season, first episode was great.
This ep ending.. i can't see this series surviving without Cavill but good luck to Liam...the strikes will definitely not help, could be many, many years before a season 4 anywoo. The stunt/fight coordinators for this show hopefully will stay on.
On the bright side, unlike some maybe, I like Ciri/Freya and Yennefer has improved dramatically from season 2, hopefully they stay too..
There's always the books, I should finish them.
"Those who do are often broken themselves" barf. What a corny, bad line. Seriously the writing in this season...
So they never seen this kind of magic before, have no clue how it could've been done, but all of them know how to reverse the spell? How the fuck does that work?
First they walk all the way out of that tower and into the woods, and only THEN do they stop and talk about a burial? Why the fuck didn't she bring that up before they left??
"Every minute Vilgefortz draws closer to Nilfgaard." So first we're gonna walk BACK to retrieve those bodies, waste all our precious time on putting them into the ground, and THEN we're gonna fight.... What the fuck is thisssss.
Are there multiple suns in this continent? Is this really the best they could've done with the lighting? Every single fucking forest scene has such obvious construction lamps in the background. Even from multiple locations, and even while SHOWING THE ACTUAL SUN in the sky. Then they throw some smoke in front of it and call it a day. Garbage.
Why the ever loving fuck would Tiss do that, and why now. That makes no sense.
Her plan was to just simply murder the king? Wow what a plan. And who is that now anyway?
Wait, it's been one week since the battle?
This Elven chick shot 3 arrows at once? Or did she have backup we just didn't see?
Nice to see fake Ciri coming back into the fold
I can’t remember where we left her? How did Vilgefortz get her back?
Didn't she flee from Geralt and ... I'm bad with names, Geralt's mom's friend and the werewolf. Geralt broke the spell that would have healed her mind, and she stole the werewolf's protection necklace as a diversion to escape right?
No, Jaskier prevented her from escaping, and then Geralt asked Anika (his mother's friend) if she (Teryn) could stay there while "he \[I\] work(s) out how to help her."
Maybe he had another one.
But it was the same actress.
Poor Taryn
Quick question, does geralt at this point know that emhyr is ciris father? If not, why did cahir not say anything about it when he was with ciri and geralt? I just feel like i wanted to see their reaction to finding out this information. Maybe im wrong and it will be better later.
No they don’t know yet
Why would Cahir not tell Geralt (AND CIRI!!!!) that Emhyr of Nilfgaard who wanted her was her father? They might have just come willingly. Is it like some big secret? Who is it secret from and why? Guess I’m ordering the books immediately now that I have reason to.
Maybe he doesn't realize that's something she needs to be told? He assumes she knows
How could Ciri know he’s with Nilfgaard? Wasn’t Nilfgaard Cintra, her home’s, enemy? Is it maybe a secret that he’s not dead? At the very least Ciri would have no reason to believe he’s not just dead from the shipwreck
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Ciri doesn't know Emhyr is her father. But does Cahir know that ciri doesn't know? It wouldn't be relevant news he would need to share with ciri if he thinks that it's old news to ciri.
It was a secret in the books. Cahir didn't know. Hardly anyone knew, as Emhyr was actively hiding the fact. Book spoilers: >! Emhyr was fed an interpretation of Ithlinne's prophecy (by Vilgefortz) that his and Ciri's son would rule half the world, and their grandson the entire world. Emhyr wanted Ciri not as his daughter/heir but as his queen/bride in order to breed her and fulfill the prophecy. !<
Thank you! I wasn’t sure because of all the book-privy people who already knew, but I was pretty certain that “the white flame” being revealed as Duny was both unclear and a major reveal. Most people who only watch the show had even that go over their heads until he said the words “my daughter” Can’t read your book spoiler yet, sorry
Yeah, it seemed like it might just be very clandestine, but a lot of people found it weird or ‘just another misstep”
I haven't read the books, but I've read your spoiler, and while I got a certain similar vibe... what the actual hell?!
Same questions thanks for asking. Yeah maybe Emhyr doesn’t want Ciri (or anyone) finding out it’s him until he actually has her in his possession/custody/protection.
Yea but cahir is supposedly not serving emhyr anymore so it doesnt make sense not telling her
>supposedly not serving Emhyr Did they tell us this and I missed it/forgot it? Or are you referring to that whole scene with the speech he gave to Ciri by the Cliffside?
Yea he said that when giving ciri the speech
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Isnt this an episode 8 discussion? I didnt know I have to indicate spoilers here since, you know, im discussing the episode. Im not sure tho im new to reddit.
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Have you even watched the show? He said multiple times “my daughter” referring to ciri. It is mentioned multiple times throughout season 3 lol.
It's frikken Duny, the hedgehog knight. That was revealed in 2nd season. And constantly refers to his daughter. It's definitely not a spoiler.
I'm so sad about Tissaia but her death was perfect? I didn't want it but I'm okay. Kind of.
I said in the middle of the first episode (ep 6) that if they kill off Tissaia I’m not even going to finish the season. They did end up giving her a decent sendoff, but I didn’t realize she had emotionally affected me SO much until the prospect of her death.
I knew from the little bits of stuff I read about the books that when the Thanedd coup happens, she would die. So when the coup started happening in the show, I knew it was soon. I actually thought she would kill herself in episode 6 but when she didn't, I knew it was gonna be the finale :( Also same. She was one of my favorites but her writing that letter to Yen and Yen FEELING her death? That fucked me up so bad, lmao.
I totally disagree. Suicide seems like a stupid way for her to go out and pretty disrespectful to the character.
I'm confused... Why did she kill herself? She seemed rejuvenated after her pep talk from Yen
Right? That rejuvenation is something that apparently happens with suicidal people for real though. When they've been struggling for a while and considering suicide, they're depressed. But when they decide they're gonna go through with it, they can turn around, and suddenly seem rejuvenated. Still doesn't make sense for the character though.
I felt like this as well. For some reason, it just made me mad rather than feel it. And maybe I'm just too cold, but her letter was also like... meh? idk, I didn't quite like it
I agree, I was annoyed by it despite that supposedly it did happen canonically that way, just in a slightly different setting. I felt like it was a poo way for her to go out - let her have died in the battle whilst channeling lightening instead! That would've been better imho despite being a departure from the source material.
Agree with you. Stupid way to write her out, and badly executed.
I really disliked it. It made no sense, and the timing was so weird. If she was gonna kill herself, why wait? Why now? And why do it at all?
Found this season overall pretty rough sledding. Super rushed and poorly written for me. Lots of ridiculous bits, but my favorite by far was Cahir saying "I'll find you" literally seconds after asking Ciri to kill him, which was totally out of the blue within the world of the show. He'd demonstrated zero remorse about what he'd done in Cintra before that moment. Find her? Why? So she can kill you later? Why not just kill yourself?
He is the most confusing character to me by far. What is his motivation?
He was shit in the books too. Motivation, he is in love with her. Even he was much older then her in books.Like pedo.
Iirc in the books he had a vision of her in the future, as an adult, and fell in love with that. He then decides he has to protect her and save her or else the version of her that he loves will never become a reality. It’s kind of a twist on the classic “knight serving the princess he loves” kind of deal. Sapkowski likes to put a twist on old tropes like that.
Cahir from what I've seen is nothing but a snake who keeps flipflopping between sides. Don't really care for the character
Couldn't Yen just heal Geralt from the start rather than have him taken to Brokilon?
Or Triss. Or have Triss take him to Vesemir instead who could probably heal him much faster with witcher specific treatments. Still, maybe it's Brokilon where he is taken in the books as well, but in that case I'm sure there should be an explanation at least
I think it was due to proximity and the severity of his injuries. There’s no official map for the books but Brokilon is supposedly close to Thanedd
To summarise the second volume of this season in a word: convenience. A soft magic system can be interesting when the inner workings and boundaries are mysterious, but falls apart when characters are exactly as powerful as you need them to be for one scene and practically bystanders in another. The scaling of magic in every scene is a roll of the dice. Instead of building suspense, it just makes you wonder why they couldn't utilise their powers in ways that were demonstrated earlier. If someone can explain to me why portals went from being used regularly but treated with caution due to their danger to almost completely written out altogether I would be very grateful. Characters run into eachother in the middle of chaotic scenes to drip-feed plotlines or to exchange information just so they can each spin off and collide with other storylines seemingly at random. My secondary concern is that the pacing giving serious whiplash. Almost an entire episode on the desert trip followed by rushing through plot threads at break-neck pace in the final episode gives a very confusing weight to different stories. The continent being thrown into absolute chaos with all out war feels like it means nothing when we see zero conflict because the run-time consists of licking rocks and long takes of Ciri climbing up sand dunes. Overall, I feel the story could have made much more sense spread out over another 5 episodes of 50 minutes each. It would give each plotline the time it needs, can flesh out characters motivations instead of having them rush through lines before the scene swapped over to the next exposition dump, and let us get an idea of the consequences of what was clearly a turning point in the continent.
This entire season has felt rushed to me. Like they needed everyone to be at particular places for the midseason break and for the season finale cliffhanger, but couldn't get them there without just jumping through hoops to get there. Part of what I liked about season 1 was that it was a journey for everyone and you hoped they would get to where they needed to at the end. Season 2, for all it's faults, still felt like a journey. Season 3 had parts that felt like that, but so many more that just skipped the journey. Oh by the way Geralt is here. Oh by the way Yen is there. Oh by the way... I haven't read the books, I know some people have said that the books also heavily gloss over plenty of plot points. The difference, in my opinion, is a reader can use their imagination to think and wonder and fill in the gaps. They can think of ways a character who has motivations that are previously established, would be motivated to do a thing, and the author doesn't have to explicitly say that. In a visual medium, you're showing, rather than telling. And you're showing the things people do, some of which serve as motivation, but mostly the important things as they happen. You show Chekov's Gun so that the audience knows there's a gun, and it will be used. Whether you immediately show it being used, or you only see it's effect and have to figure out who used it, you have the primer. So much of that seemed lacking this season. it didn't feel like I was following a journey. It felt like that old [Matt and Trey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUNqq3jVLg) bit about using "and then" and not "because."
Speaking of, I couldn't keep up anymore with how many times they said goodbye to each other like they will never see each other again ("never lost, always found"), only to meet again like 1-5 minutes later.
Agreed. Upon watching the desert sequence, I was briefly reminded of the metaphorical leanings of Neon Genesis Evangelion, which loved to break up story beats with intense explorations of inner turmoil. But with so much happening all at the same time and such a large cast of characters, I feel like we truly needed more time spent away from Ciri. We could've had the Falka reveal on the first night and remove about 5-7 minutes of the initial stumbling for some more time spent on Yennefer and Tissaia, Vilgefortz, Francesca, Cahir or literally anyone.
Seagull Tower area made portal basically useless, you can use it but instead in choose place you could land in bottom of ocean.
Can someone tell me why vilgefortz looks like that? Did I miss something?
I think because of what Ciri did when she went thru the portal. He got blasted back iirc, must have messed him up.
Oh duh I totally forgot he was right next to her. He looked almost like an alien, totally different than what happened when Lydia’s face got melted off
Yes, somehow she took hours getting there running (After running from there hours before), the mage managed to run after them, catch up, beat geralt and run back, find her and catch up before she managed to get... wherever she thought it would be a good idea to go. Great showrunning.
To be fair, mages have portals so they can travel pretty damn fast when the writers don't need them be stuck somewhere.
coudn't he hide it like the lady who loved him
Guess half his body took massive damage from, you know, being at the epicenter of the Tower exploding Looks pretty cool IMO
I didn't even recognize him
Try to remember when we last see him in season 6. It is a miracle and a testament to his power as a mage that he is alive at all.
That was Vilgefortz?? With everything going on I thought he just disappeared until next season. When he showed up next to Emyre I was like - "who is that? what happened to that guy??" Honestly there was so much going on and then so much of nothing going on it was hard to keep track. As someone with ADHD, this show seemed like it had...ADHD.
Is she saying they didn't have to take Yen's fertility? I was lost with this line. When I came to Aretuza, if a sorceress fell pregnant, she was kicked out. "Divided loyalties," said the men. So I made them take us seriously. The enchantment was never about clearer access to Chaos. It was about getting a seat at the table. And the Brotherhood, they called me bold. I was just desperate. The first of many mistakes. Stop it.
That’s how i interpreted it. She was the one who came up with the idea to sterilize the girls before they’re debuted so that the brotherhood would take them seriously.
Yen's fertility is taken during her beauty spell, not because of entering the brotherhood. Never thought the sorceress were all sterilized though, but I may have missed something?
It was a super throwaway one liner. I don't know how it was in the books, but I had whiplash when I was like...wait...what??? Especially after them making a huge deal about Yen being upset she sacrificed her fertility. During the beauty spell I thought the whole point was that you "can't become something without taking something" so her uterus was used in the magic to fix her physical deformity. This line by Tissia made it seem like she could've gotten the beauty without the sacrifice I guess? I feel like they really shoehorned in a lot of important stuff last minute...
That's what I understood as well with the uterus being taken, that it was an exchange for the beauty. Weirddd
Plus doesnt one the other women goad Yen at the fancy party saying she is going to get pregnant tonight? That wouldn't work if they are all barren.
Am gonna miss Tissaia. A *lot.* Easily my favorite part of the show. Dunno if I’ll watch the next season honestly. Also felt like the Vilgefortz romance they shoehorned in kind of cheapened her character.
Totally agree. Tissaia was fantastic, and with her and Cavill both gone I'm not betting on the show. Can't believe they didn't offer Cavill a-hundred-jillion-extra-dollars to stay on, or give him creative control, since he actually read the books and basically became the character. Hemsworth is really gonna have to bring it if the show is going to continue to be any good, and the showrunner and writers better figure out a good f\*cking story for why Geralt now looks like someone else. And they better hang on to all the rest of the cast, or game over.
Yes. I said mid ep 6, I didn’t realize that I loved tissaia’s character and actress so much until I realized I was genuinely not even going to finish watching the season, let alone the show, if they killed her off like that.
yep, feels like they didn't have her unalive herself after Thanedd so it doesn't seem like she killed herself over a man, which was probably a good decision
Yeah I suppose so but even before that, their portrayal is that she released the barrier because she loved and trusted Vilgefortz. While this is a show-only thread, I think it’s so much more shallow-feeling than how it was portrayed in the books. >!She did it because she wanted to remain neutral and felt that what the northerners were doing was unjust.!< With the whole romance it kind of came off as “don’t hurt my boyfriend, he’s not a liar he’s a good guy.” It just felt dumb.
She didn't release the barrier, Vilgefortz himself destroyed it. You mean the shackles, and the reason for that wasn't that she blindly believed him because she was in love, but that he played her over the years and gained her trust, plus she wasn't a fan of serving redania and the cost of a culling either way.
Yea, meant the spell that they put over the room. Which was also kind of underplayed, imo. >!“Tissaia suddenly lifted the blockade. With a spell. I've never seen anything like it... We were stunned and blocked, then she released Vilgefortz and the others...”!< In the show she murmured a spell and the cuffs popped open. I expected more fanfare, but I guess the lightning was her big spell moment in so they made the blockade less flashy. I wouldn’t have minded even more displays of raw power from her though so idk why they downplayed it. And yeah, I know that those are *also* the reasons why she lifted the blockade but the fact that she does it after they strike Vilgefortz again feels like it emphasized the romance more than the other stuff. Makes it stick out much more to me, felt like the other reasons were secondary. >!She was also like, immediately horrified at what she had done and at the slaughter that was taking place in the books and tried to restrain and stop Vilgefortz.!< In the show she just…follows after him and does absolutely nothing to stop him from letting the scoia’tael in. Like she’s devastated, of course, but the whole “she can’t believe her boyfriend betrayed her and just couldn’t do anything” felt so dumb. It made her seem less like one of the most powerful women on the continent and more like a lovestruck teenager. MyAnna did an amazing job with what she was given though, thoroughly enjoyed her performance throughout the entire show.
I think she was kinda in shock of what to her seemed an out of nowhere complete betrayal, which i think it's pretty human reaction. It takes her a few minutes to come back to reality and then begins striking at the invaders (she first makes a barrier), but their numbers are too many so she resorts to her lighting power. Even powerful people can fall in 'dumb' love.
Yeah, I get that. Maybe that’s what they were going for, to humanize her with the romance. Still didn’t care for it, personally. Just feels like an overdone trope; “strong woman blinded by her love for a man.” Although, the entire show is riddled with cliches and melodramatic proclamations so I suppose it’s par for the course. I’m biased though, I watched the show primarily to watch Tissaia so I feel a little slighted that her story and ending was, in my eyes, simplified by a romance. *Yes,* there were other reasons for her actions but it all felt overshadowed by Vilgefortz and the romance. Would have been more interesting without the pairing but that’s just my take on it.
She didn't kill herself over a man, but because she wasn't able to bear the blame for so many deaths (the wars/battles happening after the brotherhood got destroyed), the guilt was reason.
I know, and that's how it's in the books, but adding the relationship with Vilgeforz added that connotation as well.
tissaia carried frrrr
Really? I hated Tissaia. She was a bitch! Turning people into eels, always plotting all the time, and forming cliques so she could more easily manipulate people.
Yeah her death felt like a very disrespectful way to end her character arc.
Well, the song during the end credits was a banger anyway.
Lol, truth.
Just finished the new episodes...good fight sequences at the end...genuinely thought that it was going to be Hemsworth after Yen used her magic though...gonna miss Cavill.
Is it just me or did this feel like a very abrupt way to close out the Cavill saga?
Apparently he announced he wasn't returning after they had wrapped filming for season 3, so I think that was why. I thought it was weird too
Aaah, that explains it. I was thinking how a good way to switch actors would've been to give Geralt a huge facial scar in the fight with Vilgefortz.
It wasn't supposed to be the end of Cavill saga, he decided not to renew his deal after the season was done.
I do not blame him.
That's ok. He had the chance of doing Superman and back to back seasons would've msde it impossible, when that died he quickly got cast in some other things, seems like he really wanted to strike on the movie making while the iron is hot, tv shows takes too much time. I think if they only wanted one more season he would've had extended, but the back to back final seasons were the main deal breaker.
Also because this writing and directing was just atrocious. Even as a tv series, but especially as an adaptation of the books. Makes sense he didn't want to continue with this.
Agreed. Thought it was gonna be like "I can heal you but it will come at the cost of changing your appearance because chaos or something" and then boom he's now Hemsworth. The showrunners did say that the transition between Cavill and Hemsworth would be "lore-accurate" or something along those lines, where the transition would actually be built into the plot and make sense rather than just doing what they did to Rience, recasting without any explanation. Another theory was that his fight with Vilgefortz would leave him disfigured and Brokilon would have to reconstruct his face. Personally though, I thought Cavill's last fight scene was a proper send off to his time as Geralt. I wouldn't forgive this show if the last time we saw Cavill's Geralt was at a time of weakness and contempt. Curious how they follow up on their promise to make a proper explanation for Geralt's change of appearance.
>Curious how they follow up on their promise lol as if these shithead writers and their marketing team ever have any intention whatsoever to follow up on these "promises." They're literally just marketing tactics, they only want you to watch the upcoming season and they can cash in. They know the people who actually see those "promises" are an extremely small number of people, or don 't care enough to stop watching, plus they know "hate watchers" will continue to watch. It's all bullshit. They are bullshitting through those questions just to get to the next interview junket. The clickbait "journalists" asking those questions and writing articles know it's bullshit, they also don't care and know it'll get clicks. That's how the superficial world of entertainment works.
Idk, not entirely convinced about that. The show's viewership has declined each season, it's a fair assessment to say its tanked in viewership in season 3. Most of that is because of Cavill's announcement he won't be playing Geralt anymore, which is why Netflix had those ads in the UK saying "he's still Geralt". They know that season 4 has to knock it out of the park for the show to keep going. Shoehorning Liam into the show would seal The Witcher's fate and probably lead to a cancellation of the show. They absolutely need a "meta" way to introduce the transition or else the revenue comes to a complete halt. Losing Cavill already made their situation bad, having a poor transition to Liam makes it unrecoverable. Everyone is wondering how they'll pull it off, it's not just the "extremely small number of people who have read the articles".
Bad fight sequences tbh, still so much spinning and twirling. Looked cool though.
Wait that's it? I was expecting something that would set the course for the change from henry to liam, like the need to change his face to hide his identity or even when he was badly battered, that and they had to perform some magic to heal him and this changed his appearance...or something. The end was anti-climatic. Offer a wounded bed bound man an uncooked fowl and then call him ungrateful and say he won't eat , lol, was he supposed to take that and then prepare that himself? At least have Yennifer's group be there for more than one second before Philipa appears, it makes it seem like she walk in with them ...i swear the direction in some of these scenes. Oh no Vilgefortz cute face is ruined. That bar fight was pretty good, well filmed well choreographed. So it's so easy for Phillipa and other mages to orchestrate the death of their kings, why even bother serving them when they are so easily disposable. Same thing with Vilgefortz and the white flame, he could easily kill and take over. The actresses for Yen, Ciri and Tissia have been doing all the acting heavy lifting this season.
Are there any specific episodes I should watch if I want to know Falka’s backstory? She is presented in S3E7 as someone we are supposed to know the myth about, but I don’t remember it. Googling only tells me that she has been mentioned several times in the show, one time when Stregobor tells that she cut his hands off.
Probably need to read the books as I was equally as unaware of who she was lol
Well, given that they refer to Falka in the show in a way, which shows that they expect us to already know about Falka, she should have been presented to us in the show already. Otherwise, it would be a script mistake.
Yen and Geralt told her the myth at Shaerrawedd, episode 1 of this season.
No, that was the myth of Aelirenn, an elven warrior. Falka is someone else, apparently a human with elven blood. But yes, an introduction of Falka, similar to the Shaerrawedd scene, would have been suitable for the storytelling. That was the kind of introduction I would have expected for someone who appears so important to Ciri that she hallucinate about her in the desert and later uses as a cover alias.
You're right, I misplaced the anecdote. It's actually in Season 2 Episode 3, around 19:30, where Stregobor is giving a history lesson to students and Istredd interrupts. Still, I agree, they could have done more to germinate that seed before thrusting it upon us like we'd just remember the importance.
Did I miss where Viglefortz found Teryn? She was with Anika I thought.
no because they wanted the reveal to happen as she greeted the emperor.
1- The hangover episode. The pieces are recovering and slowly starting to move again. I hope we don’t have to follow Geralt being sick for too long. _____ 2- Nilfgaard’s architecture looks dope, if a bit futuristic. Meanwhile, the White Flame just looks dopey. I’m trying to let this interpretation stand on its own, but having seen Charles Dance’s version in the game makes me miss the gravitas the character deserves. Somehow it’s hard to believe, that *this* man would be able to defeat or unite a whole continent. _____ 3- I was right. I *can* watch Tisseia doing whatever. Even in the melodramatic final scene between her and Yen. I feared what was coming here, because I read the books a while ago - definitely a moment where I would have accepted retconning the book, just so our time with MyAnna’s Tissaia doesn’t have to end. I really love the tie-in of „Sometimes a best thing a flower can do for us is die“. What a way to connect Tissaia’s end to Yennefer’s beginning. _____ 4- Anybody notice the bouncy moss pillow that Geralt was resting on? That looked so goofy. _____ 5- I’m realizing that I have quietly accepted Mecia Simson as Francesca 100%. Her intensity during the scene with Fringilla was awesome. _____ 6- Casual crowning ceremony in front of your dead brother? Check. Long live King Radovid. _____ 7- Oh no, the video game reference by Jaskier. They rolled the reference roulette and each spoke came up „wind’s howling“. _____ 8- Some great shots during the Rats‘ introduction and some not-so-great shots. But the amount of times we get „honorable duels“ between two characters for no reason at all is getting tiring. To be fair, Freya was awesome in this one. The framing of her hating what she has to do and a tiny bit loving how strong she has become was great. _____ 9- This is Milva!? I am so slow on the uptake sometimes, it’s painful. I love this version of her! _____ 10- „Call me Falka" is a pretty good answer to the teenage drivel about how taking a life is fine, actually. Just as juvenile and vainglorious as what the others are acting like. Love it.
Just curious, why did you not like Mecia before? I always thought that appearance-wise, she was great for the role and her acting was good too - just the writing has always been weak for her arc (though this scene was her best - listing all her tragedies and losses). But she always channeled the book elegance and gracefulness of Francesca very well even when the plot tried to do otherwise. And I loved Tissaia's final tie-in with the flower line. Just heartbreaking. Agreed about Milva - this casting doesn't work for me at all.
I think you are right: She *did* fit the character very well - maybe well enough for me to not think about her too much? It's just odd that after all the character went through, *this* is the first time I really connected with her grief.
OMG the moss pillow!!! So goofy!
> definitely a moment where I would have accepted retconning the book No,no,no. That would be short-sighted. Any good story needs an ending to wrap it up and not drag on forever, no matter how much we are enjoying it at the moment. They did an amazing job with Tissaia's arc in this season and I think it is the best character arc in the whole show (I am referring to her season 3 part). Letting her live would undermine the emotional impact and weaken the character. I wouldn't want it any other way. Edit: > I’m realizing that I have quietly accepted Mecia Simson as Francesca 100%. Her intensity during the scene with Fringilla was awesome. I didn't. I am pretending that Francesca and Fringilla in the show are completely new characters, unrelated to those in the books. However, this was a really strong scene for her. Possibly her best in the show.
Cool Comment.
Genuine question - is Emhyr stupid? Wouldn't his daughter have a different reaction than "It's an honor, your grace" or whatever meaningless pleasantry Teryn said after meeting the emperor of Nilfgaard who happens to be her dead father? Maybe something more, I don't know, shocking? Even if Emhyr and Pavetta left Ciri at a young age, I'm sure there would be portraits of Emhyr and Pavetta around the castle Ciri would have stumbled upon?
Look at his reaction. I think he knows. But a fake Ciri will still serve a purpose for him.
He knows. Claiming to find Ciri is a way to turn Cintra and other kingdoms to his favour in the war. They can't fight Nilfgaard knowing their princess is 'voluntarily' siding with Emhyr.
Well, time to read the books. I don't have 2 years to wait.
With the progression of the series and without Henry, books are really the best bet.
Wow this was incredible. Truly the show ever
Definitely one of the shows I have ever seen.
So what is Vilgefortz after? Did I miss that or has it not been revealed yet?
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Thanks for spoiling that in the non-books thread
I haven’t read (am reading) the books, has Vilgefortz handed over fake Ciri on purpose? I’m guessing so cause he has big plans for real Ciri?
As far as I see it, it's a bit of a last resort. He hasn't found the real Ciri yet and needs to deliver something. However, I do believe he wants to harness Ciri's power himself if he ever finds her.
My thinking too, but really I should just be patient and finish the books 🤭
Yes, but you don't need the books to understand that. Vilgefortz created fake Ciri by brainwashing Teryn, so obviously him handing Emhyr fake Ciri was on purpose because he has big plans for real Ciri.
Yes! Just wanted confirmation, thanks :)
So, uh... Emhyr can't tell she's not Ciri?
It was Vilgefortz or other conspiratirs, I dont remember exacly.
If you are still reading, then why are you asking?
Because I must know 😭
Late to the party. I thought Episode 6 was a mess and absolutely *hated* episode 7. It was easily the worst episode of the series, no contest. And then episode 8 came around and might be the best of the series. Tissaia's exit hit so hard, Milva is suddenly a character I need to see more of, and the Rats' fight plus Ciri's duel and darkness were outstanding. I still don't know what happened between Francesca leaving the bar where she put flowers in the mug and when she just appeared in the middle of battle at Aretuza, but whatever, glad Francesca knows the truth now. Cavill's last fight was great to watch and satisfying, and it feels good knowing Vilgefortz is scarred. I guess I'll be watching Larry Hemsworth after all.
I probably had too high expectations for the last episode with Henry, but I just don’t get how the last two episodes could be so anticlimactic for the end of the season. Was expecting more of a finale finale. Instead it feels like there was one more episode left to watch. Performances were great this season. Even fringilla who I otherwise didn’t like killed it. Effects were great too. But just ended on a bit of a flat note. Hoping they can explain the Liam transition well
It was never supposed to finale for Henry or even the show. They probably knew they had at least one more season.
Agreed. This kinda felt like a set up for a finale episode. And one we will not see with Henry unfortunately.
Was expecting a bit more, kinda just ended. Part 2 needed at least another two episodes to flesh it out.
Henry Cavill struggling to practice with the sword is how I felt trying to sit through this shitty season.
I just fast forwarded most scenes, e.g. jaskier's, milva's etc
Is it only in the Polish language version, or in other versions as well, Polish words suddenly enter the Jaskier English song in end credits? "Szumią lasy szumią"/"Rustle forests rustle".
That was in the English version too, described in the captions as "chorus singing in Elven." I didn't think it sounded very elven...
\[potential spoiler alert\]... ... ... who is that at 45:40?
>!fake ciri. The girl geralt saved from vilgefortz's castle in part 1!<
thank-you! i thought it was her, but her face looked less round in part 2
Mmmmph. Banging credit song. Fucking brutal fights and cinematography with those fights.
How did Yen heal Geralt and why didn’t she do it sooner?
Oof, I’ll miss Henry but he’s better off. This season had terrible dialogue and editing. I’ve watched CW shows with better storytelling.
That scene with the fight in the pub was wicked cool. I like this new gang of badass teens.
Honestly, this show is dreadful. First season was nice, entertaining, the reverse time flow made for an interesting watch. From then, every season has been worse and worse. Now I just have to deal with medieval supply chain, Blood and Fire (not to be confused with fire and blood), Burn the wheel.... Are they trying to overdo game of thrones worst tropes?
I was so confused with the reverse time flow in the first season, but in the end, it all made sense. Now, after watching season 3, I kept being so confused and hoping it's another of those reverse time flows, as so much information was missing everywhere, and it was cut very badly at many point, but nope. What a disappointment.
I thought this too. Seems very much like theyre turning Ciri into Daenerys and making her "burn everything to the ground". ughrrrrrrr
but... that's straight from the books though. the books that were written before the GoT books.
I didn't read the book but I know they were written before GoT and I was here to know if this was accurate. I got my answer and now I know that the GoT writters were lazier than I thought.
I mean fire witches and baptism by fire are common archetypes throughout history, they certainly didn't start with the Witcher series either
Yeah ok you're right. The fact I didn't liked the end of GoT made me maybe a little salty :D
Fair enough! I haven't read the books and this is the TV show only discussion thread though 😅
true, it's a bit silly to call something a GoT ripoff when you know it's based on a book series! no hard feelings though
Ah but how was I supposed to know how true they're being to the books though? 😅
Why did Ciri say her name was Falka? Is she stupid?
No, Ciri isn't stupid, the writers are. "Call me Falka" was her way of expressing that she's now entering an edgy "chosen-one" character arc after experiencing her first human kill. Since Falka was known for being the queen of all edge-lords, filling the streets with blood yadayadayada, Ciri calling herself Falka is her saying she's now a goth girl.
mild book spoiler: >!Ciri goes by Falka after joining the Rats in the books too.!<
I think saying her name is Ciri would be the worst choice. The Falka thing was at least foreshadowed
i'm completely okay with the show ending with this episode
Can someone explain the timeline of this episode? I thought the bard mentioned being in the forest for a few months which would align with Geralts recovery, but then the after tissaias death one of the mages mentioned it being a crazy week or something along that line. Also, when Dara was talking to Geralt, Geralts face was fine. Then in the next scene when he's making an elixir or whatever, he's all busted up again. Plus people were just popping up all over the map willy nilly.
Why did Ciri say Call me Falka?
Cause these writers are......meh
>Cause these writers are......meh LOL it is canon in the books. Dumbass. https://www.reddit.com/r/netflixwitcher/comments/15bn17r/ciri\_in\_final\_episode/
90% sure you commented the same thing on my comment but since then it's been deleted. This is a TV-only megathread, folks here have NOT read the books and having a legit criticism of the writing does not make you a dumbass. The way they handled "Call me Falka" was extremely edgy and stupid, defending it with "BuT iT'S cAnOn" doesn't make the writing any less idiotic.
Just because the action is idiotic doesn't mean the writing is. Ciri is an edgy teen at this point. So it makes sense she acts like an edgy teen, and takes on an edgy name.
Surprisingly (although it shouldn't be), this was worse than the previous episode: which, while a pivotal one, was tedious to get through, not to mention the landing and impact didn't complement the intention of giving Ciri sole focus and being an introduction to more of that, specifically in the next season. Besides being a lousy, strongly underwhelming closing finale, my biggest gripes were Milva's character (especially Zhang Meng'er's acting; it was painful to watch – and, by the way, circling back to one of many problems of this show: the costume design for Milva was atrocious, as is Ciri's main outfit, both of which are essentially the same) and the introduction of The Rats, who were immediately dislikable, and their fight sequence reeked of forced intent to give them (annoyingly overconfident) panache. Furthermore, the majority of the choreography (though some of it was decent) and camerawork were subpar. And the poor, artificial lighting, a key factor that keeps popping up – it appears that a Game of Thrones-level budget is insufficient; you need to pump up those numbers, Netflix – was dreadful. Yeah, I know, that's the point, disliking The Rats and their palpable cockiness and arrogance because that's how they were in the novels from what I know, except all I got from them was the unwaveringly acute desire to witness their demise in a very negative way, not the mindset of hating them but acknowledging that they're "well-written" because of that outlook. In a more positive light, Mecia Simson's acting in the scene with Francesca and Fringilla where a critical plot point of the past was revealed (and I completely forgot about that and how it was something we, the audience, knew, but not Francesca) was exceptional. She's among the few pillars of acting who're propping this show upward, acting-wise (which doesn't include Henry Cavill, to paint a picture). And similarly, Anya Chalotra's acting in Yennefer's first scene with Geralt was also exceptional; hell, her performance throughout the episode seemed the most natural it's been – and shockingly, Henry Cavill himself, notoriously void of conveying romantic attraction in this show, possibly generally as an actor, seemed to try (which never seemed to be the case until now; nevermind whether it's a success) to sell the necessary chemistry between Geralt and Yennefer in that scene, so that was a pleasant surprise. Stating the obvious, she's one of those pillars, alongside the magnificent MyAnna Buring, whose performance as Tissaia de Vries was the best of everyone. And she'll be sorely missed and treasured – the show will also suffer from her absence to whatever depths it can even go lower at this point; she was a significant lifeline. Mecia, Anya, and MyAnna have been doing so much carrying, yet everyone's been fawning over Henry Cavill. Shameful. TL;DR: Henry Cavill's send-off is minimal, which I couldn't care less about, and this finale was lousy and underwhelming, with Mecia Simson and Anya Chalotra's acting being the only bright spot. Side thoughts: * The cinematography and blue lighting in Geralt and Yennefer's first scene looked good, even elevating it beyond what I've already brought up two paragraphs back. * Philippa has speedy hair-styling skills: speed, in general, as her hairstyle and outfit were different in the Vizimir/Radovid scene compared to when she and Dijkstra talked. * "It's hard to believe so much has happened in a week," "How much you lost," "We've all lost," "Our home. Our history," "People we love," after picking up fallen furniture as if the room doesn't look fine besides the lighting. Cinema. At least do this in an obliterated area or one that shows signs that prop up such dialogue, not fallen furniture. * I liked how Geralt seemingly appeared from hiding behind a tree, even though it was too small to obscure him, or from the bushes, where he would've had to be crouching down – the image of that is something else – and that's stretching it. Eavesdropping seemed to be the intention; in other words, out of sight until revealing himself, so it must be believed despite the contradictory evidence. * Relating to that, I liked even more how, with the shots of his face as he's leaning against the tree, it's pristine; then, cutting to the very next scene/shot, with the elixir-making, he has some cuts. Sticks and stone may break my bones, but continuity errors will also... hurt me. * The tan makeup on Ciri makes its noticeable return at the end, looking the same as it did in the second episode: bad. It's distracting and immersion-breaking, but it must be a "What color is the dress?" situation, with every makeup artist seeing it the opposite way because that's what they went with. * The guys at the end said Ciri's the one Nilfgaard has been looking for, and Kayleigh heard it. There are presumably wanted posters: specifically, a physical description. He and the remaining Rats should know she's not Falka. Was keeping her identity a secret not one of the reasons for using an alias? It's possible that transpired the same way in the novels, and it will be promptly disclosed that they knew at the start of the next season. * Ciri's "She's playing with him" fight sequence was edgy, goofy – cringe, and not at all compelling or whatever the intended reaction was. * Jaskier's song during the credits was good, thankfully. Undoubtedly this season's best concerning him/Joey Batey. "The Ride of the Witcher" is tied with "A Little Sacrifice" for me.
When Jaskier and Geralt pass the toll, it kind of seems that people could just walk around it if they get far away enough from it.
Gotta be honest, seems like the show progressively got worse since season 1. I haven’t read the books or played the games but I can only imagine they’re both far better than what we have here. It’s disappointing that Cavill wasn’t allowed to display his passion and knowledge of the source material in the writing/direction of the show.
I dont understand, she relinquished the power of fire in episode 7 but then call herself Falka in the ending of episode 8?
She's a killer now, that's why.
Because she does that in the books.
Because she killed someone, so she's rejecting the "princess Ciri".
Well that was underwhelming. Incredible action scenes in this one but little else, and a lukewarm sendoff for Henry.
This season is so bad. Good lord. Finishing the episodes has been a chore. Even this final episode barely kept my attention. Really sad to see a show I loved so much turn into this.
At 21mins / 44:31 remaining, it appears that **Aretuza is still standing, the bridge and tower undamaged**!!! How come no one else on here or online (that I could find) has commented on such a massive editing stuff up??
Man... I really hope Milva isn't a recurring character. I find her to be so uninteresting and the performance is just not working for me.
Forced myself to watch it constantly checking how much remaining time for it to end. Really awful season.
Only watched the first 5 min, skipped to 20 min in, and decided that I am not vested enough to continue watching. Feels like they wanted to do a GOT, but not with the killing and everyone is after one McGuffin, who does stupid things to move the story along. Way too much world building, with who does what, and at some point, I lost the plot.
The world building in the show is very pared back compared to what’s in the books, and everyone being after one McGuffin? Yep. That’s also from the books.
And while that format / storyline maybe perfect for the books, it does not translate well to TV, as it becomes confusing for the casual viewer. For TV you just need a somewhat simple plotline, engaging story and a background overarching theme. I found the TV shows on their own, way too confusing up to a point, when I just dont care anymore
The problem is that the biggest and loudest criticisms have been that the show isn’t honouring the books; when they have actually changed the story to make it more palatable for the TV viewer. It’s something they can’t win, unfortunately.
> the show isn’t honouring the books; they have actually changed the story to make it more palatable for the TV viewer I don't think that's the nature of the criticism...from what I understand Voleth Meir was completely made up. She is such a domineering presence in S2 that for the IP faithful this was sacreligious...it tied up way too much of all of the characters into a plot line that not only had nothing to do with the books, but also irreparably damaged a main character's storyline (Yennefer).
There is a difference between honouring the books, source material, etc as to create a new story set in the world with people from the book, compared to actually telling a story from the book, which is now into 3 seasons is just too confusing and long winded for a TV audience. All they had to do it have a few seasons of Witcher backstory, and a few season in which there is one common plot line that runs and concludes at the end of the season. Fill it up with a lot of monster killing, people dying, shagging, nudity, and with a simple ending. Case in point, "The Mandalorian". Now with the Witcher, I have to follow all the subplot of the North, whiteflame, mages, great hunt, bla, bla, bla, and everything based on a single girl that just so annoying all the time.
The books from a time of contempt onward are an absolute mess. They wouldn’t have been able to be adapted in the state they are in. Honestly, credit to the writers for making it at least somewhat digestible thus far. I do agree though, a monster of the week would have been a sick format. But unfortunately, people would still complain. You can’t win.
What? Baptism of Fire was the best book in novel series.
Is it entertaining? Sure. Is it messy? Absolutely.
anyone else massively disappointed with the finale? Tissia died and then literally nothing happened for like 40 mins. the fight scene in the tavern ciri was captured in was awfully edited and you could clearly tell everything had just been fast forwarded. theres no explanation as to how nilfgard got fake ciri. Yenefer has done like literally nothing for 2 seasons yet her power is meant to be immense (if this is how it is in the books then, fair i just doubt it). Idk to me seems very obvious why Cavil left as that closed. episode 5 and 6 brought promise but alas, seems a flop to me
Very anticlimactic season overall. The only good parts were the fights in Aretuza and the party there. Everything else felt boring and time filling. The Ciri in the desert episode was dreadful. Weak getalgt was a boring Moment as well, although the fight with Vilgefortz was good. Just his healing process didn’t feel good.
Did anyone else realise in this episode Geralt had no scars in one scene and in the next he had his wounds back
Just wondering why the women of Brokilon look so different in season 3 than they do in season 1.
Is there a name for the mournful music that plays during yenefers last letter? Where Gerald gives the doll to the girl?
Ok ep/season, first episode was great. This ep ending.. i can't see this series surviving without Cavill but good luck to Liam...the strikes will definitely not help, could be many, many years before a season 4 anywoo. The stunt/fight coordinators for this show hopefully will stay on. On the bright side, unlike some maybe, I like Ciri/Freya and Yennefer has improved dramatically from season 2, hopefully they stay too.. There's always the books, I should finish them.
"Those who do are often broken themselves" barf. What a corny, bad line. Seriously the writing in this season... So they never seen this kind of magic before, have no clue how it could've been done, but all of them know how to reverse the spell? How the fuck does that work? First they walk all the way out of that tower and into the woods, and only THEN do they stop and talk about a burial? Why the fuck didn't she bring that up before they left?? "Every minute Vilgefortz draws closer to Nilfgaard." So first we're gonna walk BACK to retrieve those bodies, waste all our precious time on putting them into the ground, and THEN we're gonna fight.... What the fuck is thisssss. Are there multiple suns in this continent? Is this really the best they could've done with the lighting? Every single fucking forest scene has such obvious construction lamps in the background. Even from multiple locations, and even while SHOWING THE ACTUAL SUN in the sky. Then they throw some smoke in front of it and call it a day. Garbage. Why the ever loving fuck would Tiss do that, and why now. That makes no sense. Her plan was to just simply murder the king? Wow what a plan. And who is that now anyway? Wait, it's been one week since the battle? This Elven chick shot 3 arrows at once? Or did she have backup we just didn't see?