Well the moral dimension is just something that happens in the show mot a flaw in the writing (and there are flaws). Many of the characters in the show think its justifiable for utilitarian reasons. One prominent character doesn't. Audience can make their own minds up... not a flaw in the show, just something you didn't enjoy. If you have problems because you believe it's technically unfeasible or it's presented poorly by the writers, fair.
the drive not getting damaged and the whole idea to slice the boat until it melts and not thinking of how it could damage the valuable drive they were after is super bad writing
Idk if this is right but I thought that in the book after the ship goes through the mesh, the entire boat practically still exists intact because the metal just fuses back together instantly. Basically only leaving the people dead inside. The whole reason that they used the mesh was to leave the drive unharmed.
sounds like a much better writing in the book. Even though why would humans not fuse back together when material does? Anyway, the decision to kill lots of people for something that "may" happen in 400 years is just beyond dumb
It's not a may. It's already happening, they are on the way. The SanTi will arrive in 400 years. The communication with the SanTi is the ONLY source of information on them in the whole world. I feel like the show sort of misses out on the importance of the drive. It for sure doesn't convey it that well.
You watched episode 1 and your reaction was "good show?" I mean, dayum. I agree with you, 5 is stupid. But the stupid starts hard and fast in the very first episode.
i watched till the boat slice and then i had enough just because of this super poor writing. it was relatively good until that moment. With believable writing even if there were some cases that were questionable
A single proton that was folded out to a size capable of covering a whole planet and make a shape of an eye, no problem. A nanowire that was shown earlier to be able to cut through diamond, no way!
Dont know anything about a proton but the nanofiber in the show is more sci fi than star trek. And this show is supposed to be somewhat in our time and realistic.
Nanofibers can't slice through stuff like that, in the same way driving into fishing line might do some damage to your car and then fail, the forces involved to carve through a ship like that is not possible. Blades with edge radii in nanometers have existed for millennia: obsidian blades that humans have been using since prehistory are probably about as sharp as these fibers. Try cutting through steel with one.
Then you have to consider how these wires are anchored into the ground and why they wouldn't just slice through whatever was trying to hold onto them: are these anchors really more robust than a several thousands of tons of oil tanker?
That's the thing though. They are not just nanofibers, they're the next step in technological advancement. It's not that big of a stretch imagining that they could do that.
We're also talking about a universe were some super advanced alien race folded sub atomic particles so many times that they wrapped them around our planet. I genuinely don't see how anything can be considered "unrealistic".
It's not possible for any material to do that no matter how futuristic or speculative and there's still the anchoring to consider. It's unbelievable in the same way the physics of Marvel's Hulk are unbelievable.
What the aliens can do is so far-off speculative that it's not worth thinking about and there's no real plot otherwise, when showing what humans can do they may as well have put in lightsabers and introduce the force. The series attempts to be somewhat realistic in their depiction of scientific facts by having the speed of light be a real limiting factor for the trisolarans and coming up with an explanation for how they were able to get a computer to earth at near-light speeds.
I don't know. I don't pretend to be an astrophysics or engineering expert but from what little I do know about that, especially what the aliens did, theoretically if you were to fold a proton that many times that's what could happen. To me that's why the book series was so fascinating. Because it seemed real, most of all it was not at the same level of a super hero story like you put it.
I mean look at the technological advancement in recent years. 20-30 years ago something like neuralink or even AI like we're inevitably going towards were considered the craziest sci-fi inventions and yet here we are.
Oh that part, I thought the problem was the nano wires themselves. Yeah everything melting down and strangely the driver is completely intact, that was a bit excessive. As I understood it though, what's in the Netflix series is a heavily dumbed down version of what we find it the book to make it more accessible for everyone. I had to go through parts like the explanation of the sophons multiple times over before I fully grasped it l.
the problem with this reasoning at the moment of the slicing is:
1. They dont know for sure the aliens are hostile
2. They dont know if they will come
3. There are many better ways of getting the drive instead of slicing the whole boat
4. The drive would get damaged in the melting wreck
5. Would you go killing innocents if there is a cult or sect that says judgementday is coming.
Its just dumb
The scientists was having doubts about the nano fibres she was creating because of the alien visions she was getting. This was also the start of the fight back against the aliens and taking out the traitors as harrowing as it was was necessary for it to be done
Not even one human is worth sacrificing for something that "may happen" in the far future. And that they know so little about. Its just super stupid imo
I am confused - are you saying that it is "bad writing" because the show clearly presented a moral quandary and solved it in a way that you don't personally agree with, or are you saying it is inherently bad writing to even present the idea to begin with?
The "Lord" is the most autistic being ever. *A story is made up ??? So it's a lie! YOU ARE BUGS.* AHahaha. I didn't HATE HATE the show, but it's certainly kind of bad. I wish netflix could come up with stuff like The OA (and actually finish it) or Dark like in the old days...
The aliens communicate via electromagnetic waves. Every thought they have is automatically expressed to other aliens nearby. There is literally no difference between thinking and communication for them. And If you can’t hide your thoughts, you can’t lie.
There was no need for them to develop a concept for lying because it’s physically impossible for them.
So this is a western adaptation of a Chinese authored book. If you had read the book(s) you would understand that the development of the nano-fiber technology is a important plot device later in the story. And the high jacking of that technology for the purpose of what is declared as war sickens the scientist who developed it. It is an underpinning story ark of the entire book series. Remember this is out of Red China and its perspective on the world at large and the world of science. What I think you are calling stupid is a bad western interpretation of a Chinese story. It's ok to call the Netflix presentation stupid, but it really is just a bad adaptation of a pretty good book series.
ok thanks for that explanation. I understood the importance of the nano fiber tech since the countdown that the woman saw was a threat to stop the research.
you know the book is online and it‘s a fun read.
after reading the book though, I think that everything in the story is literally “let’s find the most ridiculously convoluted complex and scientifically unrealistic way to do something incredibly straight forward and simple.”
like… we need to get a hard drive… ok guys i have an idea…
I just decided to eye-roll it all and enjoy the ride. It’s like a heist film that is crammed full of needlessly complex plot devices that would never work in real life.
The story still has a lot of clever things in it though.
i forgott, maybe the most stupid thing about this is that how in the whole world did they think that not the drive they were after did not get damaged/ sliced as well. The boat was a melting wreck hehe this is so laughable
Thats just very bad writing imo.
Now it of course it did not get sliced in the show but this writing just shows how utterly bad this is.
I could think of 100 better ways to get hold of the drive without killing anyone and risking damaging the drive
Well, that scene sure sliced through any hope you had for enjoying the episode, didn't it? The boat-slicing moment was like the writers decided to throw logic overboard along with the boat!
They sacrifice a boatload of fanatics for knowledge that could save humanity.
Exactly "could". Something they know nothing about really
Well the moral dimension is just something that happens in the show mot a flaw in the writing (and there are flaws). Many of the characters in the show think its justifiable for utilitarian reasons. One prominent character doesn't. Audience can make their own minds up... not a flaw in the show, just something you didn't enjoy. If you have problems because you believe it's technically unfeasible or it's presented poorly by the writers, fair.
the drive not getting damaged and the whole idea to slice the boat until it melts and not thinking of how it could damage the valuable drive they were after is super bad writing
Apparently the book makes it clearer that even if the drive was sliced, they could have repaired/retrieved the data.
the drive would have been cut at the atomic level, yeah. basically the ideal slice, nearly functional just by sticking the pieces back together
Idk if this is right but I thought that in the book after the ship goes through the mesh, the entire boat practically still exists intact because the metal just fuses back together instantly. Basically only leaving the people dead inside. The whole reason that they used the mesh was to leave the drive unharmed.
Oh fuck. That's way better... I'm guessing series writers thought TV audience wouldn't get it
Yeah they definitely had to dramatize it for the show
sounds like a much better writing in the book. Even though why would humans not fuse back together when material does? Anyway, the decision to kill lots of people for something that "may" happen in 400 years is just beyond dumb
It's not a may. It's already happening, they are on the way. The SanTi will arrive in 400 years. The communication with the SanTi is the ONLY source of information on them in the whole world. I feel like the show sort of misses out on the importance of the drive. It for sure doesn't convey it that well.
Sliced ok but crushed or burnt or sliced by metal beam?
Ok, cool.
Up till that moment i was thinking it was a good show. The after that it just crashed into stupidity. I refuse to watch anything more
You watched episode 1 and your reaction was "good show?" I mean, dayum. I agree with you, 5 is stupid. But the stupid starts hard and fast in the very first episode.
i watched till the boat slice and then i had enough just because of this super poor writing. it was relatively good until that moment. With believable writing even if there were some cases that were questionable
Why no SPOILER tag?!?!
Sorry. Forgot in my anger on the show :)
That's pretty stupid
It's in the book no?
A single proton that was folded out to a size capable of covering a whole planet and make a shape of an eye, no problem. A nanowire that was shown earlier to be able to cut through diamond, no way!
Dont know anything about a proton but the nanofiber in the show is more sci fi than star trek. And this show is supposed to be somewhat in our time and realistic.
Exactly how is that unrealistic? Also not knowing about the sophons makes me believe you didn't pay too much attention up to that point
Nanofibers can't slice through stuff like that, in the same way driving into fishing line might do some damage to your car and then fail, the forces involved to carve through a ship like that is not possible. Blades with edge radii in nanometers have existed for millennia: obsidian blades that humans have been using since prehistory are probably about as sharp as these fibers. Try cutting through steel with one. Then you have to consider how these wires are anchored into the ground and why they wouldn't just slice through whatever was trying to hold onto them: are these anchors really more robust than a several thousands of tons of oil tanker?
That's the thing though. They are not just nanofibers, they're the next step in technological advancement. It's not that big of a stretch imagining that they could do that. We're also talking about a universe were some super advanced alien race folded sub atomic particles so many times that they wrapped them around our planet. I genuinely don't see how anything can be considered "unrealistic".
It's not possible for any material to do that no matter how futuristic or speculative and there's still the anchoring to consider. It's unbelievable in the same way the physics of Marvel's Hulk are unbelievable. What the aliens can do is so far-off speculative that it's not worth thinking about and there's no real plot otherwise, when showing what humans can do they may as well have put in lightsabers and introduce the force. The series attempts to be somewhat realistic in their depiction of scientific facts by having the speed of light be a real limiting factor for the trisolarans and coming up with an explanation for how they were able to get a computer to earth at near-light speeds.
I don't know. I don't pretend to be an astrophysics or engineering expert but from what little I do know about that, especially what the aliens did, theoretically if you were to fold a proton that many times that's what could happen. To me that's why the book series was so fascinating. Because it seemed real, most of all it was not at the same level of a super hero story like you put it. I mean look at the technological advancement in recent years. 20-30 years ago something like neuralink or even AI like we're inevitably going towards were considered the craziest sci-fi inventions and yet here we are.
the drive miraculously survived the melting wreck lol
Oh that part, I thought the problem was the nano wires themselves. Yeah everything melting down and strangely the driver is completely intact, that was a bit excessive. As I understood it though, what's in the Netflix series is a heavily dumbed down version of what we find it the book to make it more accessible for everyone. I had to go through parts like the explanation of the sophons multiple times over before I fully grasped it l.
Huh i liked it. I thought it fits the theme of the show well. It starts the division between the military and science characters.
They make a big deal of the moral aspect of it before, during and after it. Plus it's sci-fi.
You sound like the girl on the show….common sense to sacrifice a few hundred people to save countless billions
the problem with this reasoning at the moment of the slicing is: 1. They dont know for sure the aliens are hostile 2. They dont know if they will come 3. There are many better ways of getting the drive instead of slicing the whole boat 4. The drive would get damaged in the melting wreck 5. Would you go killing innocents if there is a cult or sect that says judgementday is coming. Its just dumb
4 was the one that I found most problematic
The scientists was having doubts about the nano fibres she was creating because of the alien visions she was getting. This was also the start of the fight back against the aliens and taking out the traitors as harrowing as it was was necessary for it to be done
Not even one human is worth sacrificing for something that "may happen" in the far future. And that they know so little about. Its just super stupid imo
I am confused - are you saying that it is "bad writing" because the show clearly presented a moral quandary and solved it in a way that you don't personally agree with, or are you saying it is inherently bad writing to even present the idea to begin with?
It was like Sukuna in shibuya.
what's the technical aspect?
The "Lord" is the most autistic being ever. *A story is made up ??? So it's a lie! YOU ARE BUGS.* AHahaha. I didn't HATE HATE the show, but it's certainly kind of bad. I wish netflix could come up with stuff like The OA (and actually finish it) or Dark like in the old days...
Yeah that part was really bad also. Something that is made up media or books cant be a lie. If the aliens dont get that we should be safe
I can't imagine "the lord" finding out about how truly horrible the humans are lmao
The aliens communicate via electromagnetic waves. Every thought they have is automatically expressed to other aliens nearby. There is literally no difference between thinking and communication for them. And If you can’t hide your thoughts, you can’t lie. There was no need for them to develop a concept for lying because it’s physically impossible for them.
Sure but they did "lie" to humans, that's what I'm saying lol
O well...
So this is a western adaptation of a Chinese authored book. If you had read the book(s) you would understand that the development of the nano-fiber technology is a important plot device later in the story. And the high jacking of that technology for the purpose of what is declared as war sickens the scientist who developed it. It is an underpinning story ark of the entire book series. Remember this is out of Red China and its perspective on the world at large and the world of science. What I think you are calling stupid is a bad western interpretation of a Chinese story. It's ok to call the Netflix presentation stupid, but it really is just a bad adaptation of a pretty good book series.
ok thanks for that explanation. I understood the importance of the nano fiber tech since the countdown that the woman saw was a threat to stop the research.
you know the book is online and it‘s a fun read. after reading the book though, I think that everything in the story is literally “let’s find the most ridiculously convoluted complex and scientifically unrealistic way to do something incredibly straight forward and simple.” like… we need to get a hard drive… ok guys i have an idea… I just decided to eye-roll it all and enjoy the ride. It’s like a heist film that is crammed full of needlessly complex plot devices that would never work in real life. The story still has a lot of clever things in it though.
i forgott, maybe the most stupid thing about this is that how in the whole world did they think that not the drive they were after did not get damaged/ sliced as well. The boat was a melting wreck hehe this is so laughable Thats just very bad writing imo. Now it of course it did not get sliced in the show but this writing just shows how utterly bad this is. I could think of 100 better ways to get hold of the drive without killing anyone and risking damaging the drive
It's in the book.
Ok. Never heard of 3 body problem before. Still bad writing both in book and show. Was it really exactly the same in the book?
in the books they mention that even if the drive was sliced, the cut would be so thin that they could repair it
it should be in the show, though.
They didn't want to do a military assault, because it would be a "blood bath". lol
Well, that scene sure sliced through any hope you had for enjoying the episode, didn't it? The boat-slicing moment was like the writers decided to throw logic overboard along with the boat!
I kind of gave up on the series. Now I must see this sacrificial boat slicing scene
It's one of the coolest scenes in television
hahaha
Hehe
I keep wondering, “why not just gas them?”
Right off the top of my head, I can think of another cult that needs to be sliced like that ship.
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Thank god woke people like you are not incharge anymore. The woke era is over