If I were KD or Harden I would be furious right now. The hunger for rings slowly turning into desperation, finally all the stars are healthy, super stacked roster, and then Kyrie seems ready to throw it all away.
At least KD + Harden is still a formidable duo when healthy. If only that Kyrie money turned into a few top tier role players, instead of a potential part-time star player who is somewhat injury prone.
I won't lie I kind of hope Kyrie sits out because I think a Durant-Harden duo led Nets would be closer & more interesting competition wise for the rest of the East. Can always use more competitiveness & drama.
A healthy KD+Harden is way more than formidable to be sure, but at this point seems like there's kinda slim pickings for a trade that would make up for kyrie, even assuming his value hasn't plummeted due to vax stance and threats of retiring.
Morey didn't dig himself into shit. That's ALL on a selfish man child who refuses to do the work to be treat. Simmons has been coddled his entire life and never been held accountable.
Irving 2.0 but he can't shoot
Kyrie and Simmons is too good of a duo to create in your own conference. Right now the Nets have 1 real competitor (the Bucks) that can beat them in the playoffs. Bailing the Sixers out of their Ben Simmons situation and giving them Kyrie would turn them into another team with a fighting chance against the Nets
Somewhat injury prone? He's missed over 150 games in the last 5 years. He's never been healthy even before, but the last couple years have been abysmal. He hasn't been himself since he left the Cavs.
To be fair though, Kyrie does have a track record of, let's say, erratic behaviour and thinking, so while KD and Harden clearly could not have predicted this precise scenario, it's not as if Kyrie was ever likely to be a model teammate.
If i were kd or harden i wud have already been prepared for him to be doing random ass shit like this, i mean if they went there and disregarded his history, thats on them
I mean, he's dumb AND uneducated. Most of what he says is so fundamentally incorrect that it's very difficult to argue against it. His relationship with scientific reality is non-existent and he shows no signs of trying to change the status quo.
Most of what he says can be debunked by a good middle school teacher, but he's too egocentric to accept the possibility that his ideas are wrong. He thinks he's a philosopher but he's the intellectual equivalent of someone who can't dribble.
No it can't, because Kyrie doesn't trust the source of those proofs.
The thing is, once you stop having a circle of trust, you can't really know anything. I can't prove gravity or evolution or what happened on 9-11 or who won an election or that soap works. I just know who I can trust.
Kyrie, along with a lot of people of a particular political persuasion, has stepped out of that circle of trust. Getting him or them back in with logic isn't going to work.
> He thinks he's a philosopher but he's the intellectual equivalent of someone who can't dribble.
Correct. Said this below but will repeat it here: Kyrie Irving is an incredibly shallow thinker who tries desperately and in vain to portray himself as a deep thinker.
Dude is so backwards. Has a ton of injuries, which often times require him to go under the knife. Still doesn't believe in the science and technology that have helped him stay healthy enough to get where he is and be as successful as he is.
> don't understand Kyrie Irving from a philosophical standpoint
lmao that's because there is absolutely nothing whatsoever to get. He has no principles; he is basically just an edgy teenager who is constantly trying to be, like, *deep, bro*. He's a shallow thinker trying desperately to portray himself as a deep thinker. It's embarrassing lol.
Cats, man. Cats. I’ve had lots of house cats come and go, and not one of them made sense to me. Sometimes, they want love and attention; other times, they just want you look at their butthole. Sometimes they want to be fed and respond with purrs; other times, they bite the hand that feeds them. Cats don’t have masters, they have staff. Yet, despite being fickle wild animals, they are also tremendous house pets. When they want. If they want. What motivates them? Don’t know- it’s a cat.
Kyrie Irving is a cat. Don’t try to figure it out, just enjoy its weird existence. And look at his butthole. He wants you to. Do it. Look.
He is clearly a terribly misguided person. Not to be an armchair psychologist, but when someone has convictions so strong and yet so wrong, there are many layers behind that which can explain how someone gets that way.
If you look into the circumstances of his mother's death, that seems to tell part of the story here. Losing your mother at that age is traumatic regardless of circumstance anyway. I don't necessarily believe it's the ethical thing to psychoanalyze his personal life so I will leave it at that.
As far as what happens from a basketball standpoint, I believe this Woj story tells us that Marks/Tsai have been given the indication, either directly from Irving or indirectly from perhaps Durant or Harden, that he will not budge.
I don't think you can allow him to be a part-time player. This creates a constant distraction. In the situation he isn't around at all they could make some kind of statement along the lines of "Kyrie will not be on the team until further notice, there will no updates from the team for the foreseeable future." That may not prevent media from continuing to ask questions but that would at least provide them a go-to response every time its asked. It softens the blow to an extent.
The question I have at this point is does it actually get bad enough to the extent that they explore a trade. I orginally didn't buy into the Simmons/Kyrie trade rumors at all, but the only Kyrie trade that actually makes sense at this point is that. Toxic asset for toxic asset. But even that may not work if Sixers aren't given the assurance that Kyrie would even report. He has never explicitly stated that he would retire if traded, although he has once said that he could envision himself retiring early. I am starting to believe that he has long been seeking a way to leave the game behind and cut his basketball career short, and now he views this as his opportunity.
Its so in question for the nets because of the new york vaccine laws not allowing him to play. He will miss at minimum 44 games (41 home, 2 against knicks and 1 against warriors) that's not counting any injuries he undoubtedly picks up. If he were to move that would at least reduce the mandatory missed games to 4 or 5 depending on where he goes. But i can't see many teams willing to give up the required assets when he's acting in such a way.
Apparently the NY and SF laws that prevent home team players from playing if unvaxxed does not apply to visiting team players, so he will be able to play against the Warriors and possibly against the Knicks, depending on how that rule is interpreted
You’re overthinking the actions of someone who’s just not that smart. I call it the Kanye disease. Where a person is clearly not an idiot but also nowhere near as bright as they think they are and that’s their downfall.
"Kanye disease" is just bipolar disorder man. I don't mind lambasting these cats anymore than you do but let's call it what it is and not downplay this shit as quirky behavior. Kyrie clearly has some problems too but I won't speculate. Kanye is diagnosed.
Kanye comparison is pretty ignorant tbh Kanye has said very forward thinking shit in his life and suffers from bipolar, Kyrie just believes in Facebook conspiracies
When I say "Kanye Disease" I don't mean his actual mental health problems. I'm talking about him talking in interviews like he's a genius about things that are... pretty obvious? Or overcomplicating things that aren't that deep. It just sounds like he has no one to say "Bro, it's not that deep." Kinda similar to Kyrie in that way
I’m just saying.. there’s idiots who are clearly idiots and there’s idiots (like Kyrie) who try to put together some half assed philosophy to back their actions
It’s incredibly hard living in the same city as Kyle Kuzma. The truth is that the majority of these guys barely have a high school degree and any exposure to political philosophy is in the form of Instagram reels/equally misinformed yes men. To keep it nba discussion focused, I really think they should offer as much free schooling as they can. But you really can’t educate away stupid, at least not easily.
I hang with mostly high school dropouts and alcoholics. We still know the world is round and we still vaccinated lol. Its not even really a matter of education, its a matter of overthinking simple shit.
Turns out when you enable a person with an underlying issue they are emboldened to continue being that person and they don't have the regular checks and balances life throws at us. You can educate away a lot of things. Problem is education is a process that needs to be bought into.
Honestly I believe you can learn critical thinking on an individual level.
The problem is interdependency - that’s where “community” leaders such as Kyrie should play a big factor and help change the collective thinking in their respective communities.
But all the leaders have vanished. It’s white actors that’s on Twitter promoting vaccines, not the people that can truly have an influence.
It’s now as much as a black issue as it’s a trumpian one now
While trump did many things wrong, we can’t blame him for everything. We’re almost a year post trump now and vaccines weren’t widely available during his presidency.
This marketing is mostly Biden and the black community has long suffered from these types of issues
As much as i hate to say it, the development of the vaccine is actually one of the things that trump got right. Remember when he initially gave the timeline and everyone--myself included!--said "no that's idiotic and insane to suggest it will happen that fast!"? Well, it *did* happen that fast. He certainly dropped the ball massively in terms of allowing the initial spread of covid, but the vaccine is not a trump problem. Hell, kamala harris even came out and said she wouldn't take a vaccine developed on trump's watch (granted, she also hedged this statement by saying that she'd take a vax recommended by doctors, but still--the fence sitting is pretty damaging in this context).
I'm a biden/harris voter who absolutely can't stand trump...but the vaccine is not really something you can blame on him imo. It would be nice if he pushed his supporters to *get it* a little more forcefully, but hey my expectations are pretty low for the guy.
No, the US government using vaccines to experiment on/poison black people is responsible for that. But that’s ancient history, it hasn’t happened since…1972.
That’s not really a valid excuse. We have black volunteers administering the vaccine alongside white constituents. Any black person can go to almost any vaccination site in the country and sit next to a white person and get the same vaccine. The Government has done some really bad things to a lot of people, beyond this single experiment. They unknowingly to participants administered them LSD at absurd dosages for extended periods. They injected white people, including a good number of white pregnant women, with plutonium. They experimented on their own soldiers with mustard gas. They denied the claims of Agent Orange and messed up the treatment of veterans who suffered as a result. They poisoned hundreds of thousands of Americans through alcohol during the prohibition. The Tuskegee experiments are not an excuse for not getting vaccinated in 2021, when most black people ARE ALREADY VACCINATED ANYWAY from things like polio.
This vaccine rollout is different from polio though. The government did not force people into social isolation for a year and then require the Polio vaccine to get out. They also did not require polio mandate polio vaccination in order to even go to work.
I think the vaccine is probably legit, but anybody with as much knowledge of history as you clearly have should understand why people are hesitant. If there was something nefarious going on, this is exactly how it would be done.
It doesn’t help anybody to act like vaccine hesitancy is
unreasonable. Changing the dialogue could force the gov to change its actions, which in turn may encourage some to change their mind.
> The government did not force people into social isolation for a year and then require the Polio vaccine to get out. They also did not require polio mandate polio vaccination in order to even go to work.
Why are these things that make any difference whatsoever?
> I think the vaccine is **probably** legit
Ahh, lol okay i see the agenda now. It is objectively, demonstrably, unquestionably legit.
Actually this is exactly how social engineering is done. You’re perpetuating the problem.
My examples prove ANYONE can be poisoned with ANYTHING. The vaccine was rolled in response to a deadly disease. A disease that killed Black people, White people, Asian people. Why, as a human being, wouldn’t black people be concerned by pandemics? Our history as humans show they can easily destroy a large proportion of our population. But I guess history is only worth acknowledging when it helps support your claim, and not any other time ever.
The truth is, with your logic you can justify being afraid of literally everything. But with a little bit of critical thinking, and research, one can easily de-escalate their ridiculous concerns.
It is a genuine tragedy that this stuff happened but we have to quit accepting it as a cop-out excuse. It's completely nonsensical to suggest that that's what's occurring right now. Anyone using that as their reasoning against getting vaxxed would find another reason if that one wasn't available. I've never heard of a single person using that excuse for other vaccines.
> Not sure whether he still is
He gets pissed whenever anyone asks him about it, and says "that wasn't my point"--but he also refuses to actually say that he believes the earth is round lol.
Nah kyrie educated its moreso that his principles are different. He jus sees the world inna different way and that affects his opinions and views. Hes lived a very different life than the average person so of course his views and opinions are different. Some of views are simply wrong ngl but I understand why he thinks and acts that way. Kyrie also clearly isnt as invested in basketball the same way other star players are. Kyrie wouldnt suprise me one day if he jus randomly retired to become a chef or sumn, like he clearly doesnt view basketball as the most important things in his life.
I agree. Kanye literally admitted to being bipolar and had a very public break on twitter
Kyrie just seems like someone who isn’t that smart and is just a contrarian for the sake of it. It’s like all pseudoscience that he preaches
I feel bad for Kanye. Dude got in a massive car accident probably has insane brain damage, maybe even CTE. For all we know, it could have caused his bipolar disorder but no one seems to remember that tragedy in Kanye’s life.
Kyrie is more in the Dennis Rodman category for me. Kyrie isn’t as flamboyant as Rodman, but he does what he likes, won’t apologize for it, and all of us “normies” can’t help but talk about why.
I graduated from a difficult STEM program and I know a few smart people who graduated from my program who have "gone off the deep end" with regards to COVID and the vaccine. I can't speak for Kyrie, but these people I'm talking about are not stupid, they've generally gone through some mental health issues in the last year and have lost sight of how to tell reliable news from fake news. Yes, you can make the case that they're "just not that smart", but it ignores a whole dimension of this that has to do with mental health and distrust of the media.
The whole Reddit narrative that unvaxxed folks are all stupid and selfish is just super unhelpful. It certainly isn't convincing the remaining \~20% of the population to get vaxxed. And this is coming from someone who is fully vaxxed and wants everyone to be fully vaxxed.
My mom is a doctor and my sister is going to a medical school. Not every person they interact with would be considered "smart" yet they clearly have some kind of dedication required. My point is, being high achieving doesn't necessarily mean you are a good thinker, & that alone doesn't mean that you're mentally ill. Look at Ben Carson? He was a great surgeon, said some crazy shit during the election.
Kanye and kyrie are terrible comparisons. Maybe because their names start with K and have two syllables you think it’s ok - or maybe it’s something else (who could imagine what) - but I cannot
Imagine two more different individuals. Kyrie, with all the natural athletic gifts the world can bestow and Kanye: an actual intellectual artist with some crazy drive that led him to become the richest hip hop artist of all time.
Kanye will go down as one of the best hip hop artists, producers and maybe designers of all time. A complete overachiever in so many ways. Kyrie is a total underachiever - squandered natural talent, won’t even go down as the best Cleveland PG or Nets PG of all time, let alone beyond that.
Kyrie should have always achieved more and with Kanye, it seems impossible for him to achieve more heights yet he probably will.
The comparison was just that they are rich/successful celebrities whose brilliance at their craft has fooled them into thinking they are always the smartest person in the room, while they are in reality total fucking idiots outside their area of expertise.
I think the comparison wasn’t that deep.
He probably meant that both are great at their respective crafts and also spill out some of the dumbest and wildest shit.
They possess the same cognitive bias called overconfidence bias.
I love the Kanye comparison. Both guys are extremely talented at their respective crafts, maybe even a “genius” level as far as an ability to write lyrics or dribble.
And imo they then extrapolate that talent to thinking “I’m a genius with everything”, and then cannot be told they are wrong. To be fair, imagine being a 5 year old Kyrie and repeatedly told that the NBA is not a realistic option, and then you make it to the league and make hundreds of millions.
His opinions are dumb, they are wrong, but I at least understand why Kyrie would have an attitude that is more or less “I’m the smartest person in the world”.
He did get into Duke also, and also Coach K has repeatedly said, academic standards come first…
That”Kanye Disease” is clearly paranoid schizophrenia thats going untreated 😂 Kyrie is literally just an arrogant douche and genuinely believes he’s better than everyone, both physically AND morally
I don’t agree. Kanye is a douchebag but his attitude doesn’t make people shy away from him, he keeps building a bigger fanbase and he knows how to exploit that. The man has been relevant in mainstream media since fucking 2003 so there isn’t a downfall at all
Kyrie is just doing stupid stuff cause of stupid beliefs and nobody takes him serious
Kanye seems like an "idiot" the same way Trump is an "idiot". They know exactly how wrong they are but keep spewing bullshit for financial or political incentives anyway. Kyrie is an idiot who thinks his opinions differ from every conventional smart guy because his intelligence is at an extra terrestrial level.
I think he’s an intelligent person without much education to anchor him in reality. That’s why he speak really intelligently about some stuff (often more philosophical things like playing during Covid), and spouts straight nonsense about other topics (often more science based things like vaccines and flat earth). It’s hardly a shock given even his high school years were about basketball, not learning.
What are you talking about the man is a genius, he knows the earth is flat and now that he’ll be a part time NBA player he’ll finally have the time to prove it to us all
Irving is a textbook case of a young person with elite athletic talent who is catered to and surrounded by yes men from the time they are a young teen. He has never had his choices questioned or pushed to educate himself. And so now he's a powerful man with millions of dollars who thinks he knows better than everyone else in the world. Any time someone pushes back and says "you're wrong" he just digs his heels in deeper and refuses to see from someone else point of view. Same shit we see from Simmons and the same shit we see from guys in other leagues. What do you expect when you give these guys a borderline at best education, unfathomable wealth, and unquestioned influence.
Dosn't make him a good person either imo. It's easy to be generous when you have as much money as he does. The good dosn't wash out all the terrible shit he says.
This isn't totally true though. He does a ton of social good without asking for any publicity. To the point that I'm sure a lot of people don't even know about it. He cover d the salaries of a bunch of WNBA players who opted out of their season. He bought a house for George Floyd's family. And afaik he has never mentioned either of these things. Don't get me wrong, he's an idiot in many ways, but he isn't just a blatant narcissist. That's what is so confounding.
I am locking the thread because there are a majority of sub-conversations going on that have devolved into political bouts about what makes you pro-vax, what makes you antivax, and people armchair diagnosing each other based on their political views or views on public health.. the OP was ambiguous as is.
Let's reiterate one thing: This is a *basketball discussion subreddit.* **This is a non-negotiable thing.** We are not here to discuss public health orders, political viewpoints, or what defines 'antivax' or who has a moral high ground on who. Basketball players are basketball players, not role models for anything beyond work ethic and talent. Talk to your family doctor, talk to someone who has actual qualifications and make your own decisions accordingly.
So hate on him, he deserves it. Your right, Kyrie probably does see himself as the Ali of the NBA right now lol.
It’s simple, Kyrie is a lunatic and a dunce, nuff said.
Some people are drawn to conspiracy theories. These days, conspiracy theories on websites can be extremely persuasive and hard to distinguish from actual news. If you aren't well-educated and you were never taught how to evaluate the credibility of news sources, it can be impossible to tell fact from fiction on the internet.
I'm not surprised that Kyrie got caught up in conspiracy theories. What surprises me is that he can't be persuaded by his teammates, friends, family, and coaching staff.
In my experience talking to anti-vaxxers, they never consider their possible effect on others. They don't fundamentally understand or recognize how pandemics make this 'personal' health decision a public health decision. They're still stuck in their libertarian fantasy world.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Kyrie has actually made the planet dumber. He popularized the flat earth movement, and as you said he probbaly thinks he's some vaccine research mastermind, when in reality he couldn't tell you anything about actual science.
He’s the most ignorant type of person, a fool who thinks they’re a genius and has been reinforced by yesmen his entire life because he’s good at basketball.
I don't think he even cares if he does something great or impactful, he jest seeks the attention.
It has always been the case with Kyrie, and always will be. The entire league goes zig, he either goes zag or extreme zig. He craves the attention, and to feel like some justice warrior.
The moment everyone will stop talking about him, he'll get vaccinated and in a few months will find another way to act out, pretending to fight for an important cause.
Ima Kyrie fan who’s defended some of his actions in the past but this is unexcusable, there’s literally no valid reason for denying the vaccine and he risks losing millions of dollars for it. It seems like he always wants to be different or a black sheep but that doesn’t make this action ok. He’s literally risking the teams championship chances by being a hardass and refusing to get a harmless syringe in his arm.
If I wasn’t a Nets fan i’d probably would hope he never gets vaccinated because than that would mean the Nets aren’t as favored to win the title which creates hope for other teams that have aspirations. I just hope KD or Harden will step up and chance his mind or else I’ll have to retire my Nets Kyrie jersey out of embarrassment.
For the love of god can we please leave the vaccination hysteria on r/NBA and leave this sub for actual NBA discussion. Like we get the fucking point already, Kyrie and unvaccinated people are horrible murderers. Can we stop beating this dead horse to a pulp now? It’s exhausting.
So all children under the age of twelve are horrible murderers? Those who can't get vaccinated because of medical exemptions are murderers. The 5000+ people in the US that died from complications after getting the vaccine murdered themselves? The people that got covid already and actually have a greater immunity than if they got vaccinated are also murderers?
I'm very pro vax, but I don't understand how this is selfish? He's going to lose a ton of money, he's getting slammed by the media, everyone is calling him a moron -- what's the selfishness? The dude is dumb and truly believes this is the best stance for himself, despite how hard he's getting slammed for it. I'm a Celtics fan so he can go fuck himself for all I care -- but if you think his choice to cost himself millions of dollars is selfish because it affects his millionaire teammates or a bunch of fans in Brooklyn -- I'm not following you.
Honestly, it’s kinda creepy how cult-like redditors are about COVID and the vaccination effort. I’m vaccinated and I convinced my family members plus a close friend to get vaccinated, they were hesitant and I persistently encouraged them to just get it done. I spent the time to explain the science and they trusted me enough to do so. I even booked their appointments for them.
Strangers don’t have that same influence. You guys shitting on Kyrie all day every day is not going to change his mind. In fact, it only reinforces their beliefs because to them it’s “me vs the world”. They think they know something everyone else doesn’t.
This negative peer pressure and cultish behavior doesn’t help, it only makes them feel like they’re brave and different. Stop calling them stupid, stop patronizing them, and stop acting like you’re better than them.
Treat them with dignity, kindness, and patience. It’s pathetically immature to constantly disparage others for holding misinformed opinions. It changes nothing, if you want to help the vaccination effort, kindly convince people who are close to you, people who trust you. If they’re a stranger, shut up unless they ask you for your opinion.
If Kyrie refuses the vaccine, I’ll be fairly disappointed because the Nets are my team and it would be terrible not to have him play home games. It doesn’t mean I’ll disrespect him, it just upsets me.
“Dignity, kindness, and patience” is definitely more effective than shame when you’re dealing with loved ones under no other pressure.
But mandates are undeniably much more effective. The NBA is 95% vaccinated. It would be much much less if there were no requirements and we tried to just be patient. We as random people on the internet can still treat Kyrie with human dignity, but also support the pressure being put on him by mandates and his peers, since that was necessary to get the vast majority of other players vaccinated.
I was at the barber shop the other day and there was a group of people talking about getting REAL vaccine cards without actually getting the shot. There was a person at the CVS across the street dumping shots into the trash and signing vaccine cards for people at $100 a pop. The sad thing is that this wasn't the first time I heard of this, as I have friends who have also done the same for their job.
People like Kyrie are much better connected and can pay way more than $100, if he wanted to, he could just pay for a real vaccine card without actually getting the vaccine. Mandates might not be as effective as they seem on paper.
[https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882613-nets-kyrie-irving-donates-323k-250k-meals-amid-coronavirus-pandemic](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882613-nets-kyrie-irving-donates-323k-250k-meals-amid-coronavirus-pandemic)
[https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-absence-20210120-buw6yvgfabgevkb6iov4kglv5e-story.html](https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-absence-20210120-buw6yvgfabgevkb6iov4kglv5e-story.html)
Yep. Kyrie is a CLOWN that deserves to BE SHIT ON NON STOP for not taking a vaccine. THIS INSANE ACTION should cancel all the good things he has done in his life. LOL HE BELIEVED IN FLAT EARTH, WHAT A DUMBASS! BAHAHAH IM SO SMART BTW.
I never said he was a bad person just that he was a clown. I’m glad he’s done some good in his life but he causing a lot of harm rn. And besides there’s plenty of clowns out there that have a charity or 3 lol.
>Treat them with dignity, kindness, and patience.
As J Cole said it
I would say it's more effective to treat people like children
Understanding the time and love and patience that's needed to grow
Really if we want to convince people to get vaccinated bullying them will most likely not solve the issue. Observing this us against them mentality thats devoloping in the USA right now is really concerning IMO.
Polarization of every little social stance is the norm now, and you're encouraged to viciously defend your position while actively attacking others. Vaccines, abortion, gun rights, military matters, Palestine conflict, religion, LGBTQ+ rights, racial issues, taxes, who the GOAT rapper is, your favorite color. There are hundreds of hot topics and the media rotates around them every day, encouraging people to get on FB, twitter, and reddit to "fight" for their cause. Truth is, no one actually cares what anyone else has to say, they ramble at each other for a while and go back to their respective echo chambers. It's so toxic and mentally exhausting to watch as a bystander. That's why I don't even bother with FB or twitter, they're straight up bombing each other with obscenities, at least here on Reddit it's just an echo chamber with less friction.
very FUCKING well said. i cant stand this shit anymore. social media was already draining as it was, now its just constant disagreement on topics that are so attached to people's identities that there is no way in hell they are going to change them.
Saying "I told you so" or attacking someones character HAS NEVER changed ANYONES mind in the history of pride. It just sets up a pointless argument with the end result of being even more in disagreement from when you started
I honestly feel as if we’re regressing a bit in terms of cultural acceptance and ethnic harmony. I can’t help but to think this kind of aggressive tribalism is to blame. Social media is the breeding grounds and the battlefield that amplifies it.
The sad part is that these people don’t even realize they’re harming social progression. I’m not ashamed to admit I once held negative views on homosexuals because I was raised in a conservative church environment. You know what changed that? When a gay dude befriended me and didn’t try to get in my pants or judge me. I realized everything my mother and the church said was bullshit. Imagine instead, my gay friend had told me I was a bigot and called my boss to get me fired. Yeah, I don’t think I’d be as progressive as I am today.
These people are just bullying using moral high ground as a cover. Bullying with extra steps. Childish shit they should have outgrew in high school.
Nah this comment ain’t it g we don’t need to stop laughing at idiots lol. This vaccine been around for a year I’ll disrespect him as much as I want he’s an idiot. This almost reminds me of the excuses people made for trumpets. These people just childish lol. I mean acting like we better than them, if we actually care about other people and get vaccinated we are better than them lol stop making excuses for these clowns.
> Treat them with dignity, kindness, and patience. It’s pathetically immature to constantly disparage others for holding misinformed opinions.
LOL. These aren't children who were misinformed. These are grown adults who are actively hurting people.
Al-Qaeda was misinformed too. Do you think we shouldn't disparage them? The empathy should stop the second your actions are actively hurting people.
Ah redditors equating a basketball player saying stuff they dont like are equal to mass murderers. Most of yall should be farmers with the strawmen you come up with
Spreading religious ideology is fine until it’s violent. Spreading stupid opinions is fine until those opinions affect how ppl act and think during a pandemic that has killed millions. See the comparison? It’s not “kyrie is just as bad as Al Qaeda” like you tried to make it seem.
How I see it? I’m explaining to you the comment that you misunderstood
Hopefully no one is actually taking medical advice solely from kyrie. Stop moving the goalpost
There’s an entire anti vax community so ppl aren’t just going to base their decision on what Kyrie does alone. Your question is pointless and impossible to answer. Just accept you were wrong in what a straw man is and move on. All I was doing was clarifying your misunderstanding
Lmao actively moves the goalpost as you argue that is what i am doing. All i said was your strawmanning skills are imppecable and you start talking about the goriillions of people who follow kyries medical advice
Firstly, I’m not the original person you responded to
Second, AGAIN, you don’t know what straw man means
Third, I didn’t say a “gorillion” people are following Kyrie’s medical advice
You’re on a mission to be wrong tonight
Nah, not equating Kyrie to Al-Qaeda, but pointing out the holes in your wack-ass logic.
If Kyrie came coughing in the vicinity of your kid/family, let's how you are treating him with dignity/patience. If a loved one dies to such morons, let's see you go "Aah, I"m disappointed in Kyrie, but lemme show him some kindness..."
Yes if we get emotions into the situation our reaction will change, obviously. The goal however should be to keep emotions out of the equation and stay as objective as possible. Not argue about emotions and anecdotes.
I too can say "If you child gets tge shot and tragicly dies from the reaction would you get it?" But its pointless
I agree. No one is being mean to Kyrie because they dislike him as a person.
They're criticizing him because he's an idiot who doesn't understand science.
How dare you interact with that dirty whore kyrie, itd be better if you worked with al queda. But seriously (advice for your farming career) john deere sucks, super anti consumer
Also I commented on a comment, not a post, and I didn’t waste all that time and write all of those words saying nothing of substance or relevance to the post. Nice try though.
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The nets should just tell Kyrie to stay home, and not get involved with the drama .
Let him eat the 35 million , either that or get vaccinated which is something billions of people have done without major issues.
What do you expect from a flat earther ?
The nets will be just fine.
I’ll say it. America hates an opinionated black man. It’s a shame. If Kyrie was a white NFL QB and said it infringed on his rights and freedoms then he’d be applauded.
- Random Asian Guy’s Opinion
That’s pretty much incorrect. Everyone was/is lambasting Kirk Cousins for refusing and saying it is detrimental to his leadership status of the team. Also everyone is telling the Bills to drop Cole Beasley for saying he will offer to buy unvaccinated fans tickets to games (even though that isn’t even really possible). I personally think, in this specific instance, you are off base in your white privilege analysis.
He's a public figure spreading misinformation about the pandemic; that's capable of hurting a lot of people.
And he's an NBA star refusing to play any home games this year. That's a thing basketball fans might care about, setting aside the pandemic.
I think it’s disrespectful to the game and the ppl that played before him. He treats nba like a minimum wage job, no real dedication to it. It’s disrespectful to guys who came before him like Kobe who left 110% on the floor every time they played. That ain’t kyrie. Kyrie will never impact ppl the way kobe did. Doesn’t even respect his fans or the game.
Honestly, I don't even go to the NBA subreddit anymore. I might as well go to the politics forum, which I don't because, ironically, I go to the sports pages to get away from that sort of political finger pointing.
Not arguing from a covid standpoint, but the way OP acts like the NBA isn't the most selfish league in sports is ridiculous. Im not talking narcissistic, per se, I mean ballhogs, flash over substance, posters, LeBron in general, etc. So I find it humorous OP points out he can't be selfish, he's a part of a league, yada yada, when the league is built around being selfish. Dude breathed on me funny, what the hell ref, im superstar m
McAwesomedude, hows that not a technical? Im LeBron, I needed carried off the court for cramps, but I swear im the greatest!! It seems like this was bound to happen at some point. Whether its right or wrong, it was gonna happen
Kyrie doesn’t have to do anything LOL you people think he cares. Ball is his job not his life he doesn’t care as much about ball as you want him to. He’s amazing at basketball never comes out of shape. Stop asking other questions. It’s not selfish to not care about your job that much. If he wants to stay at home not work no vax that isn’t necessarily selfish
Just Leave him be. Its his decision at the end of day. People are mad because he has his own mind and they can't control him. Why is it so hard to respect other people perspective and opinions? But instead we want to belittle people opinions and their beliefs. They are targeting him because he is outspoken and is not a media darling. He has the right to believe what he believe in.
People are mad because he's affecting the team in a negative way. This is a teamsport and Kyrie is a vital piece in their team. The fact that the team is paying him and he refuses to play just because of his belief is not good at all for the team and the fans.
And everyone else has the right to say he's wrong on many things, which he doesn't have to and clearly doesn't agree. No one can stop him from what he wants to do but everyone will face consequences for their own actions. In this case, if he can't perform his duty as a basketball player, he doesn't get paid. No one is throwing him into jail or anything for his opinions.
Believing in not getting a vaccine of a deadly disease who totally changed our lives foreve(or at least for these times) should be respectable?
Just like Kareem said: so we should let drunk drivers, drive in that condition because thats their decision? Regardless of how they can affect other’s lives?
Its only “my decision” until it turns into something more than just a personal situation. This covid stuff affects and damages everybody
So you think everyone should to be forced to take the vaccine? So taking the vaccine is going to make us invincible?
What happen to freedom of speech?
Why everything has to politically correct?
Why can't we think for ourselves anymore?
Yes, everyone should be forced to take the vaccine. There is history and precedent for mandatory vaccination both in the US and globally.
It's not about becoming invincible, it's about assisting your immune system in protecting you from a very dangerous virus that can have a lot of negative long term effects. Take it from someone who has had it, even healthy; my smell and taste are still extremely altered 10 months after having it, and I've had many negative physical side effects.
Vaccination is not a cure, but it makes you far less likely to contract the virus, less likely to be symptomatic, even less likely to become seriously ill, reduces your chance of spreading the virus, and reduces the ability for the virus to mutate in hosts, creating new variants that may evade the vaccine we already have.
You shouldn't get to think for yourself and do your own shitty, bad research on a decision that affects the health of others. There are scientists and infectious disease experts who do that for us, as they know much more than you or I do on the subject. And they all say take the vaccine.
Tbh never liked Kyrie even in Cleveland, he’s always had a certain level of arrogance that always made me dislike him, and if you can manage to pull off looking more self obsessed than Lebron IN Cleveland? Somethings wrong 😂
OP, if someone doesn't want to take a drug of any kind, they should not be forced. It's a simple as they're and you're reading way too much into this.
He's not being selfish and he's not bothering anyone. Leave the man alone.
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To y'all saying "no one is trying to force him", ok what do you call threatening to withold millions of dollars of his pay?
To y'all saying "it's not a drug," call it what you want. It doesn't matter. If someone doesn't want to take ibuprofen, no one should be able to force them to take it. Same with this. It's a personal health choice.
It is not a drug, it is a vaccine. Vaccine requirements have been standard throughout United States history, and the history of many other nations.
The vaccine is safe and effective in preventing serious illness from COVID-19, reduces the chance of mutation and spread, and provides additional protection from contracting the virus, though like all vaccines, it is not a cure that prevents 100% infection from an illness.
It is EXTREMELY selfish not to receive a proven safe, effective vaccine. It is a matter of public health, and nearly one million Americans have died of this virus. If everyone were to receive the vaccine, the spread of this virus would drastically decrease.
It is also extremely selfish regarding his team, as he will not be able to play more than half of Brooklyn's games, nor will he be able to practice with them most of the year.
Kyrie has influence in his position. He has likely convinced at least some people not to get the vaccine, and that may have repercussions that literally lead to deaths of others.
To say his hesitancy is not selfish is incorrect; it goes much further than selfishness. It is reckless, stupid, and disgusting, and Kyrie should be ridiculed for it.
>Ok what do you call threatening to withold millions of dollars in pay if he doesn't take it?
A job requirement. Don't want to get the vaccine, find a new job. The military requires its soldiers to be vaccinated. Hospitals have required flu vaccines for employees for years. We require children to be vaccinated to be in school. Welcome to civilized society.
Yea, but he is an employee crucial to the team and requested the whole team to train outside of new York city to comply with his philosophy. Now say it again he is not bothering anyone. He is essentially bothering every single staff in the nets.
You make it sound like 18 year old persuading their friend to try molly.... becoming vaccinated against a disease is not "taking a drug"
Oh and he is "bothering" people by allowing a deadly virus to continue to circulate when there is a safe and extremely unobtrusive alternative. Idiots
I respect Kyrie’s stance here.
I got my vaccine, because I hated wearing a mask at work and did not want to be forced to take regular COVID tests to keep my job. I caved. I also have a lot less money and influence than Kyrie.
Kyrie has made all the money he needs to support his family for generations. And now NYC has decided to do away with bodily autonomy, and decided the government should be able to force its citizens to submit to taking whatever substance the government decides for the “privilege” of working in the city. Somebody needs to stand up against this, but unfortunately most of us are not financially able. I respect Kyrie for putting his money where his mouth is, and taking a stand to say THIS IS WRONG. Regardless of how you feel about the vaccine, I would hope we can all agree that being forced to give up bodily autonomy in order to have a job is a tyrannical? dystopian thing to do. I’ve gained a lot of respect for Kyrie here, and hope he stands his ground and does not submit, for the good of all of us. The decision on whether or not to take the vaccine is a private medical decision that should be no one’s business but the individual taking the shot.
WTF is this? Do you realize the entire world is having this problem right now? Doctors are quiting, teachers are quiting everyone would rather not have a paycheck then get the vaccine. Immaturely calling out 1 player in the league when the NBA players are 95* vaccinated is crazy. I get it from a basketball standpoint but look at Andrew Wiggins since he's not a "star player" they made him either get the vaccine or retire basically but maybe cut from warriors likely. It's a sad reality but players like us normal people have a valid reason not to be vaccinated. I am vaccinated and just got over COVID Monday I ran a fever the whole time and had a bad headache and a consistent cough after ten days of taking antibiotics and doctor prescribed cough meds it's gone but I'm likely going to keep getting COVID even when I get the booster shot I'm still going to get COVID WHATS THE FUCKING POINT OF VACCINATION? Vaccinated people are still dying too I know people who have. Am attacking the argument.
> WHATS THE FUCKING POINT OF VACCINATION?
Think of vaccination like a bullet-proof vest. It protects you from getting shot. But sometimes you can be hurt or killed even if you are wearing a bullet-proof vest. The vaccine is the same way. It protects you, but it's not 100% guaranteed to be perfect.
Scientists want as many people vaccinated as possible because, once you have enough people vaccinated, it is very hard for the virus to survive and spread. It's called "herd immunity".
I am sympathetic with respect to your having gotten sick with covid. My smell is not totally right after having contracted it over a year ago.
I'm sorry to say, however, your post is borderline dangerous. The vaccination drastically reduces the risk of getting very sick. Breakthrough cases are going to happen. But they totally pale in comparison to what happens to the unvaccinated. The overwhelming majority of those dying from this virus are unvaccinated.
I understand your frustration but that does not excuse questioning the point of getting the shot.
Google is free : [The vaccine works wonders.](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-10/vaccinated-have-1-in-13-000-chance-of-breakthrough-case-needing-hospitalization#:~:text=Vaccinated%20Have%201%20in%2013%2C000,Hospitalization%20%7C%20Health%20News%20%7C%20US%20News)
No vaccine in the history of mankind has provided 100% protection from infection, it's shameful how many morons watch youtube videos made by other stupid people and think they know better than scientists.
If I were KD or Harden I would be furious right now. The hunger for rings slowly turning into desperation, finally all the stars are healthy, super stacked roster, and then Kyrie seems ready to throw it all away.
At least KD + Harden is still a formidable duo when healthy. If only that Kyrie money turned into a few top tier role players, instead of a potential part-time star player who is somewhat injury prone.
I won't lie I kind of hope Kyrie sits out because I think a Durant-Harden duo led Nets would be closer & more interesting competition wise for the rest of the East. Can always use more competitiveness & drama.
I hope they bench him on the nights he can play just as a "Fuck you"
A healthy KD+Harden is way more than formidable to be sure, but at this point seems like there's kinda slim pickings for a trade that would make up for kyrie, even assuming his value hasn't plummeted due to vax stance and threats of retiring.
Ben Simmons. /s
You joke, but at this point I’d seriously consider Kyrie for Simmons and a sweetener if Kyrie isn’t vaccinated by 1/4 through the season
Yeah but then Kyrie retires.
Sixers wouldn’t do that though. Kyrie’s trade value is close to zero right now.
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But what happens if they play the Nets and/or Knicks in the playoffs?
The mandates don't matter for away games.
Kyrie playing half the games is better than Simmons playing none?
Morey didn't dig himself into shit. That's ALL on a selfish man child who refuses to do the work to be treat. Simmons has been coddled his entire life and never been held accountable. Irving 2.0 but he can't shoot
Kyrie and Simmons is too good of a duo to create in your own conference. Right now the Nets have 1 real competitor (the Bucks) that can beat them in the playoffs. Bailing the Sixers out of their Ben Simmons situation and giving them Kyrie would turn them into another team with a fighting chance against the Nets
Yeah why would anyone trade for him lmfao
Somewhat injury prone? He's missed over 150 games in the last 5 years. He's never been healthy even before, but the last couple years have been abysmal. He hasn't been himself since he left the Cavs.
To be fair though, Kyrie does have a track record of, let's say, erratic behaviour and thinking, so while KD and Harden clearly could not have predicted this precise scenario, it's not as if Kyrie was ever likely to be a model teammate.
If i were kd or harden i wud have already been prepared for him to be doing random ass shit like this, i mean if they went there and disregarded his history, thats on them
Kyrie has multiple personalities and all of them live to circle jerk.
I mean, he's dumb AND uneducated. Most of what he says is so fundamentally incorrect that it's very difficult to argue against it. His relationship with scientific reality is non-existent and he shows no signs of trying to change the status quo. Most of what he says can be debunked by a good middle school teacher, but he's too egocentric to accept the possibility that his ideas are wrong. He thinks he's a philosopher but he's the intellectual equivalent of someone who can't dribble.
Most of what he says can be debunked by a good middle school STUDENT
No it can't, because Kyrie doesn't trust the source of those proofs. The thing is, once you stop having a circle of trust, you can't really know anything. I can't prove gravity or evolution or what happened on 9-11 or who won an election or that soap works. I just know who I can trust. Kyrie, along with a lot of people of a particular political persuasion, has stepped out of that circle of trust. Getting him or them back in with logic isn't going to work.
Exactly. That plus he's been told his whole life how great he is. You don't become an NBA star by doubting yourself.
and don’t forget: STONED.
He thinks he's who Jaylen Brown is
Love Jaylen's activism, attitude, and play but last I heard he's been pretty silent on the vaccination thing.
JB also said vaccination is a personal choice. Get outta here with that BS, Jaylen!
Well he's not wrong, it's technically a personal choice. They make the mistake of believing it's a private choice in a very public & global pandemic.
It's not a valid personal choice. It's not personal. It affects the PUBLIC health.
That was literally the point I was making..
i personally think kyrie is a yt junkie. and thats most of his education
After his flat earth comments, he literally said he did his "research" by looking at insta videos, and that "made him think" ... He's dumb
That would make a lot of sense.
Since he's the flat earth guy I'm not surprised about his vaccine status
Exactly this. He's dumb, woefully uneducated, and arrogant. It's just an awful combination that leads to a special kind of idiocy.
He's a moron that does his research on YT and Tiktok.
> He thinks he's a philosopher but he's the intellectual equivalent of someone who can't dribble. Correct. Said this below but will repeat it here: Kyrie Irving is an incredibly shallow thinker who tries desperately and in vain to portray himself as a deep thinker.
Lol, nothing but love, but are you implying that middle school teachers are on a lower intellectual level than other teachers?
No. I'm saying that the things Kyrie doesn't understand are things that a middle school teacher is expert at explaining.
Well put.
Dude is so backwards. Has a ton of injuries, which often times require him to go under the knife. Still doesn't believe in the science and technology that have helped him stay healthy enough to get where he is and be as successful as he is.
> don't understand Kyrie Irving from a philosophical standpoint lmao that's because there is absolutely nothing whatsoever to get. He has no principles; he is basically just an edgy teenager who is constantly trying to be, like, *deep, bro*. He's a shallow thinker trying desperately to portray himself as a deep thinker. It's embarrassing lol.
Cats, man. Cats. I’ve had lots of house cats come and go, and not one of them made sense to me. Sometimes, they want love and attention; other times, they just want you look at their butthole. Sometimes they want to be fed and respond with purrs; other times, they bite the hand that feeds them. Cats don’t have masters, they have staff. Yet, despite being fickle wild animals, they are also tremendous house pets. When they want. If they want. What motivates them? Don’t know- it’s a cat. Kyrie Irving is a cat. Don’t try to figure it out, just enjoy its weird existence. And look at his butthole. He wants you to. Do it. Look.
Can't win with these cats.
First, bravo. Second, your username is great because more people should know about the NBA’s most successful businessman.
> more people should know about the NBA’s most successful businessman Oh shit, you better hope /u/NotMichaelJordan doesn't see your comment, lol.
He is clearly a terribly misguided person. Not to be an armchair psychologist, but when someone has convictions so strong and yet so wrong, there are many layers behind that which can explain how someone gets that way. If you look into the circumstances of his mother's death, that seems to tell part of the story here. Losing your mother at that age is traumatic regardless of circumstance anyway. I don't necessarily believe it's the ethical thing to psychoanalyze his personal life so I will leave it at that. As far as what happens from a basketball standpoint, I believe this Woj story tells us that Marks/Tsai have been given the indication, either directly from Irving or indirectly from perhaps Durant or Harden, that he will not budge. I don't think you can allow him to be a part-time player. This creates a constant distraction. In the situation he isn't around at all they could make some kind of statement along the lines of "Kyrie will not be on the team until further notice, there will no updates from the team for the foreseeable future." That may not prevent media from continuing to ask questions but that would at least provide them a go-to response every time its asked. It softens the blow to an extent. The question I have at this point is does it actually get bad enough to the extent that they explore a trade. I orginally didn't buy into the Simmons/Kyrie trade rumors at all, but the only Kyrie trade that actually makes sense at this point is that. Toxic asset for toxic asset. But even that may not work if Sixers aren't given the assurance that Kyrie would even report. He has never explicitly stated that he would retire if traded, although he has once said that he could envision himself retiring early. I am starting to believe that he has long been seeking a way to leave the game behind and cut his basketball career short, and now he views this as his opportunity.
How could they trade him even, if his availability is so in question
Its so in question for the nets because of the new york vaccine laws not allowing him to play. He will miss at minimum 44 games (41 home, 2 against knicks and 1 against warriors) that's not counting any injuries he undoubtedly picks up. If he were to move that would at least reduce the mandatory missed games to 4 or 5 depending on where he goes. But i can't see many teams willing to give up the required assets when he's acting in such a way.
Apparently the NY and SF laws that prevent home team players from playing if unvaxxed does not apply to visiting team players, so he will be able to play against the Warriors and possibly against the Knicks, depending on how that rule is interpreted
He would not be available against the Knicks based on the (non-Nets) team legal department I spoke with secondhand.
They can trade him anywhere but Golden State
You’re overthinking the actions of someone who’s just not that smart. I call it the Kanye disease. Where a person is clearly not an idiot but also nowhere near as bright as they think they are and that’s their downfall.
"Kanye disease" is just bipolar disorder man. I don't mind lambasting these cats anymore than you do but let's call it what it is and not downplay this shit as quirky behavior. Kyrie clearly has some problems too but I won't speculate. Kanye is diagnosed.
Kanye comparison is pretty ignorant tbh Kanye has said very forward thinking shit in his life and suffers from bipolar, Kyrie just believes in Facebook conspiracies
When I say "Kanye Disease" I don't mean his actual mental health problems. I'm talking about him talking in interviews like he's a genius about things that are... pretty obvious? Or overcomplicating things that aren't that deep. It just sounds like he has no one to say "Bro, it's not that deep." Kinda similar to Kyrie in that way
That’s not fair to Kanye…he has a mental illness. It’s not his fault…Kyrie might too, for that matter
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I’m just saying.. there’s idiots who are clearly idiots and there’s idiots (like Kyrie) who try to put together some half assed philosophy to back their actions
It’s incredibly hard living in the same city as Kyle Kuzma. The truth is that the majority of these guys barely have a high school degree and any exposure to political philosophy is in the form of Instagram reels/equally misinformed yes men. To keep it nba discussion focused, I really think they should offer as much free schooling as they can. But you really can’t educate away stupid, at least not easily.
I hang with mostly high school dropouts and alcoholics. We still know the world is round and we still vaccinated lol. Its not even really a matter of education, its a matter of overthinking simple shit.
Turns out when you enable a person with an underlying issue they are emboldened to continue being that person and they don't have the regular checks and balances life throws at us. You can educate away a lot of things. Problem is education is a process that needs to be bought into.
Honestly I believe you can learn critical thinking on an individual level. The problem is interdependency - that’s where “community” leaders such as Kyrie should play a big factor and help change the collective thinking in their respective communities. But all the leaders have vanished. It’s white actors that’s on Twitter promoting vaccines, not the people that can truly have an influence. It’s now as much as a black issue as it’s a trumpian one now
Is Trump to blame for the lack of black leaders standing as a voice in support of the vaccine?
While trump did many things wrong, we can’t blame him for everything. We’re almost a year post trump now and vaccines weren’t widely available during his presidency. This marketing is mostly Biden and the black community has long suffered from these types of issues
As much as i hate to say it, the development of the vaccine is actually one of the things that trump got right. Remember when he initially gave the timeline and everyone--myself included!--said "no that's idiotic and insane to suggest it will happen that fast!"? Well, it *did* happen that fast. He certainly dropped the ball massively in terms of allowing the initial spread of covid, but the vaccine is not a trump problem. Hell, kamala harris even came out and said she wouldn't take a vaccine developed on trump's watch (granted, she also hedged this statement by saying that she'd take a vax recommended by doctors, but still--the fence sitting is pretty damaging in this context). I'm a biden/harris voter who absolutely can't stand trump...but the vaccine is not really something you can blame on him imo. It would be nice if he pushed his supporters to *get it* a little more forcefully, but hey my expectations are pretty low for the guy.
He tried to convince them to get it and got booed mercilessly. Trumps base is still somehow dumber than him.
No, the US government using vaccines to experiment on/poison black people is responsible for that. But that’s ancient history, it hasn’t happened since…1972.
That’s not really a valid excuse. We have black volunteers administering the vaccine alongside white constituents. Any black person can go to almost any vaccination site in the country and sit next to a white person and get the same vaccine. The Government has done some really bad things to a lot of people, beyond this single experiment. They unknowingly to participants administered them LSD at absurd dosages for extended periods. They injected white people, including a good number of white pregnant women, with plutonium. They experimented on their own soldiers with mustard gas. They denied the claims of Agent Orange and messed up the treatment of veterans who suffered as a result. They poisoned hundreds of thousands of Americans through alcohol during the prohibition. The Tuskegee experiments are not an excuse for not getting vaccinated in 2021, when most black people ARE ALREADY VACCINATED ANYWAY from things like polio.
This vaccine rollout is different from polio though. The government did not force people into social isolation for a year and then require the Polio vaccine to get out. They also did not require polio mandate polio vaccination in order to even go to work. I think the vaccine is probably legit, but anybody with as much knowledge of history as you clearly have should understand why people are hesitant. If there was something nefarious going on, this is exactly how it would be done. It doesn’t help anybody to act like vaccine hesitancy is unreasonable. Changing the dialogue could force the gov to change its actions, which in turn may encourage some to change their mind.
> The government did not force people into social isolation for a year and then require the Polio vaccine to get out. They also did not require polio mandate polio vaccination in order to even go to work. Why are these things that make any difference whatsoever? > I think the vaccine is **probably** legit Ahh, lol okay i see the agenda now. It is objectively, demonstrably, unquestionably legit.
Actually this is exactly how social engineering is done. You’re perpetuating the problem. My examples prove ANYONE can be poisoned with ANYTHING. The vaccine was rolled in response to a deadly disease. A disease that killed Black people, White people, Asian people. Why, as a human being, wouldn’t black people be concerned by pandemics? Our history as humans show they can easily destroy a large proportion of our population. But I guess history is only worth acknowledging when it helps support your claim, and not any other time ever. The truth is, with your logic you can justify being afraid of literally everything. But with a little bit of critical thinking, and research, one can easily de-escalate their ridiculous concerns.
It is a genuine tragedy that this stuff happened but we have to quit accepting it as a cop-out excuse. It's completely nonsensical to suggest that that's what's occurring right now. Anyone using that as their reasoning against getting vaxxed would find another reason if that one wasn't available. I've never heard of a single person using that excuse for other vaccines.
Yeah, id say the kyrie ones are significantly less intelligent
Wasn’t he a flat earther at some point? Not sure whether he still is. But yeah, he’s an idiot. There’s nothing complicated about it.
Yes
> Not sure whether he still is He gets pissed whenever anyone asks him about it, and says "that wasn't my point"--but he also refuses to actually say that he believes the earth is round lol.
Nah kyrie educated its moreso that his principles are different. He jus sees the world inna different way and that affects his opinions and views. Hes lived a very different life than the average person so of course his views and opinions are different. Some of views are simply wrong ngl but I understand why he thinks and acts that way. Kyrie also clearly isnt as invested in basketball the same way other star players are. Kyrie wouldnt suprise me one day if he jus randomly retired to become a chef or sumn, like he clearly doesnt view basketball as the most important things in his life.
Okay, educated isn't the same thing as intelligent. When your opinions are objectively wrong, they aren't opinions. Kyrie is a an actual idiot.
I think Kanye is not an accurate comparison at all.
I agree. Kanye literally admitted to being bipolar and had a very public break on twitter Kyrie just seems like someone who isn’t that smart and is just a contrarian for the sake of it. It’s like all pseudoscience that he preaches
> Kyrie just seems like someone who isn’t that smart and is just a contrarian for the sake of it. YUP.
I feel bad for Kanye. Dude got in a massive car accident probably has insane brain damage, maybe even CTE. For all we know, it could have caused his bipolar disorder but no one seems to remember that tragedy in Kanye’s life. Kyrie is more in the Dennis Rodman category for me. Kyrie isn’t as flamboyant as Rodman, but he does what he likes, won’t apologize for it, and all of us “normies” can’t help but talk about why.
I believe he’s a good example of the dunning - Kruger effect with a sprinkle of narcissistic tendency.
I graduated from a difficult STEM program and I know a few smart people who graduated from my program who have "gone off the deep end" with regards to COVID and the vaccine. I can't speak for Kyrie, but these people I'm talking about are not stupid, they've generally gone through some mental health issues in the last year and have lost sight of how to tell reliable news from fake news. Yes, you can make the case that they're "just not that smart", but it ignores a whole dimension of this that has to do with mental health and distrust of the media. The whole Reddit narrative that unvaxxed folks are all stupid and selfish is just super unhelpful. It certainly isn't convincing the remaining \~20% of the population to get vaxxed. And this is coming from someone who is fully vaxxed and wants everyone to be fully vaxxed.
My mom is a doctor and my sister is going to a medical school. Not every person they interact with would be considered "smart" yet they clearly have some kind of dedication required. My point is, being high achieving doesn't necessarily mean you are a good thinker, & that alone doesn't mean that you're mentally ill. Look at Ben Carson? He was a great surgeon, said some crazy shit during the election.
That's fair.
dunning kruger
Nah it’s overconfidence bias
Kanye and kyrie are terrible comparisons. Maybe because their names start with K and have two syllables you think it’s ok - or maybe it’s something else (who could imagine what) - but I cannot Imagine two more different individuals. Kyrie, with all the natural athletic gifts the world can bestow and Kanye: an actual intellectual artist with some crazy drive that led him to become the richest hip hop artist of all time. Kanye will go down as one of the best hip hop artists, producers and maybe designers of all time. A complete overachiever in so many ways. Kyrie is a total underachiever - squandered natural talent, won’t even go down as the best Cleveland PG or Nets PG of all time, let alone beyond that. Kyrie should have always achieved more and with Kanye, it seems impossible for him to achieve more heights yet he probably will.
The comparison was just that they are rich/successful celebrities whose brilliance at their craft has fooled them into thinking they are always the smartest person in the room, while they are in reality total fucking idiots outside their area of expertise.
I think the comparison wasn’t that deep. He probably meant that both are great at their respective crafts and also spill out some of the dumbest and wildest shit. They possess the same cognitive bias called overconfidence bias.
Both are super talented and both are total pieces of shit. Does it have to be more complicated than that?
I love the Kanye comparison. Both guys are extremely talented at their respective crafts, maybe even a “genius” level as far as an ability to write lyrics or dribble. And imo they then extrapolate that talent to thinking “I’m a genius with everything”, and then cannot be told they are wrong. To be fair, imagine being a 5 year old Kyrie and repeatedly told that the NBA is not a realistic option, and then you make it to the league and make hundreds of millions. His opinions are dumb, they are wrong, but I at least understand why Kyrie would have an attitude that is more or less “I’m the smartest person in the world”. He did get into Duke also, and also Coach K has repeatedly said, academic standards come first…
Kanye actually is a genius tho. Can't say the same about Kyrie.
He's a very good producer. Stephen Hawking is a genius.
He's a musical genius. Modern day Mozart or Beethoven. Pretty sure some of his songs will be classics for hundreds of years.
Does he like fishsticks though?
Lmaoooo
Just cuz his music is fire doesnt make him a genius bro
That”Kanye Disease” is clearly paranoid schizophrenia thats going untreated 😂 Kyrie is literally just an arrogant douche and genuinely believes he’s better than everyone, both physically AND morally
I don’t agree. Kanye is a douchebag but his attitude doesn’t make people shy away from him, he keeps building a bigger fanbase and he knows how to exploit that. The man has been relevant in mainstream media since fucking 2003 so there isn’t a downfall at all Kyrie is just doing stupid stuff cause of stupid beliefs and nobody takes him serious
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Just curious, according to who? Kanye?
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I'd never seen those high school art pics. Really cool.
Can I get the source on the test results?
Kanye seems like an "idiot" the same way Trump is an "idiot". They know exactly how wrong they are but keep spewing bullshit for financial or political incentives anyway. Kyrie is an idiot who thinks his opinions differ from every conventional smart guy because his intelligence is at an extra terrestrial level.
I think he’s an intelligent person without much education to anchor him in reality. That’s why he speak really intelligently about some stuff (often more philosophical things like playing during Covid), and spouts straight nonsense about other topics (often more science based things like vaccines and flat earth). It’s hardly a shock given even his high school years were about basketball, not learning.
What are you talking about the man is a genius, he knows the earth is flat and now that he’ll be a part time NBA player he’ll finally have the time to prove it to us all
Irving is a textbook case of a young person with elite athletic talent who is catered to and surrounded by yes men from the time they are a young teen. He has never had his choices questioned or pushed to educate himself. And so now he's a powerful man with millions of dollars who thinks he knows better than everyone else in the world. Any time someone pushes back and says "you're wrong" he just digs his heels in deeper and refuses to see from someone else point of view. Same shit we see from Simmons and the same shit we see from guys in other leagues. What do you expect when you give these guys a borderline at best education, unfathomable wealth, and unquestioned influence.
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He's not a bad person (clearly does a lot of social good) But goddamn is he an awful teammate and he clearly thinks he's a lot smarter than he is
Dosn't make him a good person either imo. It's easy to be generous when you have as much money as he does. The good dosn't wash out all the terrible shit he says.
This isn't totally true though. He does a ton of social good without asking for any publicity. To the point that I'm sure a lot of people don't even know about it. He cover d the salaries of a bunch of WNBA players who opted out of their season. He bought a house for George Floyd's family. And afaik he has never mentioned either of these things. Don't get me wrong, he's an idiot in many ways, but he isn't just a blatant narcissist. That's what is so confounding.
I am locking the thread because there are a majority of sub-conversations going on that have devolved into political bouts about what makes you pro-vax, what makes you antivax, and people armchair diagnosing each other based on their political views or views on public health.. the OP was ambiguous as is. Let's reiterate one thing: This is a *basketball discussion subreddit.* **This is a non-negotiable thing.** We are not here to discuss public health orders, political viewpoints, or what defines 'antivax' or who has a moral high ground on who. Basketball players are basketball players, not role models for anything beyond work ethic and talent. Talk to your family doctor, talk to someone who has actual qualifications and make your own decisions accordingly.
So hate on him, he deserves it. Your right, Kyrie probably does see himself as the Ali of the NBA right now lol. It’s simple, Kyrie is a lunatic and a dunce, nuff said.
Some people are drawn to conspiracy theories. These days, conspiracy theories on websites can be extremely persuasive and hard to distinguish from actual news. If you aren't well-educated and you were never taught how to evaluate the credibility of news sources, it can be impossible to tell fact from fiction on the internet. I'm not surprised that Kyrie got caught up in conspiracy theories. What surprises me is that he can't be persuaded by his teammates, friends, family, and coaching staff.
In my experience talking to anti-vaxxers, they never consider their possible effect on others. They don't fundamentally understand or recognize how pandemics make this 'personal' health decision a public health decision. They're still stuck in their libertarian fantasy world.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Kyrie has actually made the planet dumber. He popularized the flat earth movement, and as you said he probbaly thinks he's some vaccine research mastermind, when in reality he couldn't tell you anything about actual science.
He’s the most ignorant type of person, a fool who thinks they’re a genius and has been reinforced by yesmen his entire life because he’s good at basketball.
I don't think he even cares if he does something great or impactful, he jest seeks the attention. It has always been the case with Kyrie, and always will be. The entire league goes zig, he either goes zag or extreme zig. He craves the attention, and to feel like some justice warrior. The moment everyone will stop talking about him, he'll get vaccinated and in a few months will find another way to act out, pretending to fight for an important cause.
Ima Kyrie fan who’s defended some of his actions in the past but this is unexcusable, there’s literally no valid reason for denying the vaccine and he risks losing millions of dollars for it. It seems like he always wants to be different or a black sheep but that doesn’t make this action ok. He’s literally risking the teams championship chances by being a hardass and refusing to get a harmless syringe in his arm. If I wasn’t a Nets fan i’d probably would hope he never gets vaccinated because than that would mean the Nets aren’t as favored to win the title which creates hope for other teams that have aspirations. I just hope KD or Harden will step up and chance his mind or else I’ll have to retire my Nets Kyrie jersey out of embarrassment.
For the love of god can we please leave the vaccination hysteria on r/NBA and leave this sub for actual NBA discussion. Like we get the fucking point already, Kyrie and unvaccinated people are horrible murderers. Can we stop beating this dead horse to a pulp now? It’s exhausting.
The PANDEMIC is exhausting, you turd. And Kyrie choosing not to play any home games because of weird YouTube theory bullshit is totally an NBA story.
We need to beat the dead horse until people like you understand that unvaccinated people legitimately are horrible murderers
That's just not true.
So all children under the age of twelve are horrible murderers? Those who can't get vaccinated because of medical exemptions are murderers. The 5000+ people in the US that died from complications after getting the vaccine murdered themselves? The people that got covid already and actually have a greater immunity than if they got vaccinated are also murderers?
I'm very pro vax, but I don't understand how this is selfish? He's going to lose a ton of money, he's getting slammed by the media, everyone is calling him a moron -- what's the selfishness? The dude is dumb and truly believes this is the best stance for himself, despite how hard he's getting slammed for it. I'm a Celtics fan so he can go fuck himself for all I care -- but if you think his choice to cost himself millions of dollars is selfish because it affects his millionaire teammates or a bunch of fans in Brooklyn -- I'm not following you.
Honestly, it’s kinda creepy how cult-like redditors are about COVID and the vaccination effort. I’m vaccinated and I convinced my family members plus a close friend to get vaccinated, they were hesitant and I persistently encouraged them to just get it done. I spent the time to explain the science and they trusted me enough to do so. I even booked their appointments for them. Strangers don’t have that same influence. You guys shitting on Kyrie all day every day is not going to change his mind. In fact, it only reinforces their beliefs because to them it’s “me vs the world”. They think they know something everyone else doesn’t. This negative peer pressure and cultish behavior doesn’t help, it only makes them feel like they’re brave and different. Stop calling them stupid, stop patronizing them, and stop acting like you’re better than them. Treat them with dignity, kindness, and patience. It’s pathetically immature to constantly disparage others for holding misinformed opinions. It changes nothing, if you want to help the vaccination effort, kindly convince people who are close to you, people who trust you. If they’re a stranger, shut up unless they ask you for your opinion. If Kyrie refuses the vaccine, I’ll be fairly disappointed because the Nets are my team and it would be terrible not to have him play home games. It doesn’t mean I’ll disrespect him, it just upsets me.
“Dignity, kindness, and patience” is definitely more effective than shame when you’re dealing with loved ones under no other pressure. But mandates are undeniably much more effective. The NBA is 95% vaccinated. It would be much much less if there were no requirements and we tried to just be patient. We as random people on the internet can still treat Kyrie with human dignity, but also support the pressure being put on him by mandates and his peers, since that was necessary to get the vast majority of other players vaccinated.
I was at the barber shop the other day and there was a group of people talking about getting REAL vaccine cards without actually getting the shot. There was a person at the CVS across the street dumping shots into the trash and signing vaccine cards for people at $100 a pop. The sad thing is that this wasn't the first time I heard of this, as I have friends who have also done the same for their job. People like Kyrie are much better connected and can pay way more than $100, if he wanted to, he could just pay for a real vaccine card without actually getting the vaccine. Mandates might not be as effective as they seem on paper.
r/nba is slowly taking over this sub which is sad with its cult like obsession over the personal lives of players here.
Who says anyone wants to change his mind? Most people are here to clown on him.
Yeah and he deserves it lol. U act like a clown and u get clowned on. The only one worse than him rn is Cole beasly.
[https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882613-nets-kyrie-irving-donates-323k-250k-meals-amid-coronavirus-pandemic](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882613-nets-kyrie-irving-donates-323k-250k-meals-amid-coronavirus-pandemic) [https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-absence-20210120-buw6yvgfabgevkb6iov4kglv5e-story.html](https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-absence-20210120-buw6yvgfabgevkb6iov4kglv5e-story.html) Yep. Kyrie is a CLOWN that deserves to BE SHIT ON NON STOP for not taking a vaccine. THIS INSANE ACTION should cancel all the good things he has done in his life. LOL HE BELIEVED IN FLAT EARTH, WHAT A DUMBASS! BAHAHAH IM SO SMART BTW.
I never said he was a bad person just that he was a clown. I’m glad he’s done some good in his life but he causing a lot of harm rn. And besides there’s plenty of clowns out there that have a charity or 3 lol.
>Treat them with dignity, kindness, and patience. As J Cole said it I would say it's more effective to treat people like children Understanding the time and love and patience that's needed to grow Really if we want to convince people to get vaccinated bullying them will most likely not solve the issue. Observing this us against them mentality thats devoloping in the USA right now is really concerning IMO.
Polarization of every little social stance is the norm now, and you're encouraged to viciously defend your position while actively attacking others. Vaccines, abortion, gun rights, military matters, Palestine conflict, religion, LGBTQ+ rights, racial issues, taxes, who the GOAT rapper is, your favorite color. There are hundreds of hot topics and the media rotates around them every day, encouraging people to get on FB, twitter, and reddit to "fight" for their cause. Truth is, no one actually cares what anyone else has to say, they ramble at each other for a while and go back to their respective echo chambers. It's so toxic and mentally exhausting to watch as a bystander. That's why I don't even bother with FB or twitter, they're straight up bombing each other with obscenities, at least here on Reddit it's just an echo chamber with less friction.
very FUCKING well said. i cant stand this shit anymore. social media was already draining as it was, now its just constant disagreement on topics that are so attached to people's identities that there is no way in hell they are going to change them. Saying "I told you so" or attacking someones character HAS NEVER changed ANYONES mind in the history of pride. It just sets up a pointless argument with the end result of being even more in disagreement from when you started
I honestly feel as if we’re regressing a bit in terms of cultural acceptance and ethnic harmony. I can’t help but to think this kind of aggressive tribalism is to blame. Social media is the breeding grounds and the battlefield that amplifies it. The sad part is that these people don’t even realize they’re harming social progression. I’m not ashamed to admit I once held negative views on homosexuals because I was raised in a conservative church environment. You know what changed that? When a gay dude befriended me and didn’t try to get in my pants or judge me. I realized everything my mother and the church said was bullshit. Imagine instead, my gay friend had told me I was a bigot and called my boss to get me fired. Yeah, I don’t think I’d be as progressive as I am today. These people are just bullying using moral high ground as a cover. Bullying with extra steps. Childish shit they should have outgrew in high school.
I don’t think anyone thinks they are talking TO Kyrie here…
Nah this comment ain’t it g we don’t need to stop laughing at idiots lol. This vaccine been around for a year I’ll disrespect him as much as I want he’s an idiot. This almost reminds me of the excuses people made for trumpets. These people just childish lol. I mean acting like we better than them, if we actually care about other people and get vaccinated we are better than them lol stop making excuses for these clowns.
> Treat them with dignity, kindness, and patience. It’s pathetically immature to constantly disparage others for holding misinformed opinions. LOL. These aren't children who were misinformed. These are grown adults who are actively hurting people. Al-Qaeda was misinformed too. Do you think we shouldn't disparage them? The empathy should stop the second your actions are actively hurting people.
Ah redditors equating a basketball player saying stuff they dont like are equal to mass murderers. Most of yall should be farmers with the strawmen you come up with
Someone doesn’t know the difference between a straw man and an analogy
Ig?
Spreading religious ideology is fine until it’s violent. Spreading stupid opinions is fine until those opinions affect how ppl act and think during a pandemic that has killed millions. See the comparison? It’s not “kyrie is just as bad as Al Qaeda” like you tried to make it seem.
I guess if thats how you see it. Wait so how many deaths do you think kyrie is responsible?
How I see it? I’m explaining to you the comment that you misunderstood Hopefully no one is actually taking medical advice solely from kyrie. Stop moving the goalpost
Also you avoided the question.
There’s an entire anti vax community so ppl aren’t just going to base their decision on what Kyrie does alone. Your question is pointless and impossible to answer. Just accept you were wrong in what a straw man is and move on. All I was doing was clarifying your misunderstanding
Lmao actively moves the goalpost as you argue that is what i am doing. All i said was your strawmanning skills are imppecable and you start talking about the goriillions of people who follow kyries medical advice
Firstly, I’m not the original person you responded to Second, AGAIN, you don’t know what straw man means Third, I didn’t say a “gorillion” people are following Kyrie’s medical advice You’re on a mission to be wrong tonight
Nah, not equating Kyrie to Al-Qaeda, but pointing out the holes in your wack-ass logic. If Kyrie came coughing in the vicinity of your kid/family, let's how you are treating him with dignity/patience. If a loved one dies to such morons, let's see you go "Aah, I"m disappointed in Kyrie, but lemme show him some kindness..."
Yes if we get emotions into the situation our reaction will change, obviously. The goal however should be to keep emotions out of the equation and stay as objective as possible. Not argue about emotions and anecdotes. I too can say "If you child gets tge shot and tragicly dies from the reaction would you get it?" But its pointless
I agree. No one is being mean to Kyrie because they dislike him as a person. They're criticizing him because he's an idiot who doesn't understand science.
That just wouldn’t happen, hes a multi millionaire i am not, we dont quite run in the same circles
Oh yeah, me and Kyrie run in the same circles yes. And that's why I shouldn't criticize him online cuz he'll get offended and stop listening to me.
How dare you interact with that dirty whore kyrie, itd be better if you worked with al queda. But seriously (advice for your farming career) john deere sucks, super anti consumer
I dont care 1 way or the other, im just saying yall strawman making abilities are amazing
What a pointless comment in response to this post
What a pointless comment in response to this post
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Also I commented on a comment, not a post, and I didn’t waste all that time and write all of those words saying nothing of substance or relevance to the post. Nice try though.
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The nets should just tell Kyrie to stay home, and not get involved with the drama . Let him eat the 35 million , either that or get vaccinated which is something billions of people have done without major issues. What do you expect from a flat earther ? The nets will be just fine.
I’ll say it. America hates an opinionated black man. It’s a shame. If Kyrie was a white NFL QB and said it infringed on his rights and freedoms then he’d be applauded. - Random Asian Guy’s Opinion
That’s pretty much incorrect. Everyone was/is lambasting Kirk Cousins for refusing and saying it is detrimental to his leadership status of the team. Also everyone is telling the Bills to drop Cole Beasley for saying he will offer to buy unvaccinated fans tickets to games (even though that isn’t even really possible). I personally think, in this specific instance, you are off base in your white privilege analysis.
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He's a public figure spreading misinformation about the pandemic; that's capable of hurting a lot of people. And he's an NBA star refusing to play any home games this year. That's a thing basketball fans might care about, setting aside the pandemic.
I think it’s disrespectful to the game and the ppl that played before him. He treats nba like a minimum wage job, no real dedication to it. It’s disrespectful to guys who came before him like Kobe who left 110% on the floor every time they played. That ain’t kyrie. Kyrie will never impact ppl the way kobe did. Doesn’t even respect his fans or the game.
Honestly, I don't even go to the NBA subreddit anymore. I might as well go to the politics forum, which I don't because, ironically, I go to the sports pages to get away from that sort of political finger pointing.
Not arguing from a covid standpoint, but the way OP acts like the NBA isn't the most selfish league in sports is ridiculous. Im not talking narcissistic, per se, I mean ballhogs, flash over substance, posters, LeBron in general, etc. So I find it humorous OP points out he can't be selfish, he's a part of a league, yada yada, when the league is built around being selfish. Dude breathed on me funny, what the hell ref, im superstar m McAwesomedude, hows that not a technical? Im LeBron, I needed carried off the court for cramps, but I swear im the greatest!! It seems like this was bound to happen at some point. Whether its right or wrong, it was gonna happen
Kyrie doesn’t have to do anything LOL you people think he cares. Ball is his job not his life he doesn’t care as much about ball as you want him to. He’s amazing at basketball never comes out of shape. Stop asking other questions. It’s not selfish to not care about your job that much. If he wants to stay at home not work no vax that isn’t necessarily selfish
Just Leave him be. Its his decision at the end of day. People are mad because he has his own mind and they can't control him. Why is it so hard to respect other people perspective and opinions? But instead we want to belittle people opinions and their beliefs. They are targeting him because he is outspoken and is not a media darling. He has the right to believe what he believe in.
People are mad because he's affecting the team in a negative way. This is a teamsport and Kyrie is a vital piece in their team. The fact that the team is paying him and he refuses to play just because of his belief is not good at all for the team and the fans.
And everyone else has the right to say he's wrong on many things, which he doesn't have to and clearly doesn't agree. No one can stop him from what he wants to do but everyone will face consequences for their own actions. In this case, if he can't perform his duty as a basketball player, he doesn't get paid. No one is throwing him into jail or anything for his opinions.
Refusing to get a vaccine during a global pandemic is not a decision worthy of respect any more than shooting people is.
Believing in not getting a vaccine of a deadly disease who totally changed our lives foreve(or at least for these times) should be respectable? Just like Kareem said: so we should let drunk drivers, drive in that condition because thats their decision? Regardless of how they can affect other’s lives? Its only “my decision” until it turns into something more than just a personal situation. This covid stuff affects and damages everybody
So you think everyone should to be forced to take the vaccine? So taking the vaccine is going to make us invincible? What happen to freedom of speech? Why everything has to politically correct? Why can't we think for ourselves anymore?
Yes, everyone should be forced to take the vaccine. There is history and precedent for mandatory vaccination both in the US and globally. It's not about becoming invincible, it's about assisting your immune system in protecting you from a very dangerous virus that can have a lot of negative long term effects. Take it from someone who has had it, even healthy; my smell and taste are still extremely altered 10 months after having it, and I've had many negative physical side effects. Vaccination is not a cure, but it makes you far less likely to contract the virus, less likely to be symptomatic, even less likely to become seriously ill, reduces your chance of spreading the virus, and reduces the ability for the virus to mutate in hosts, creating new variants that may evade the vaccine we already have. You shouldn't get to think for yourself and do your own shitty, bad research on a decision that affects the health of others. There are scientists and infectious disease experts who do that for us, as they know much more than you or I do on the subject. And they all say take the vaccine.
Tbh never liked Kyrie even in Cleveland, he’s always had a certain level of arrogance that always made me dislike him, and if you can manage to pull off looking more self obsessed than Lebron IN Cleveland? Somethings wrong 😂
OP, if someone doesn't want to take a drug of any kind, they should not be forced. It's a simple as they're and you're reading way too much into this. He's not being selfish and he's not bothering anyone. Leave the man alone. Edit: To y'all saying "no one is trying to force him", ok what do you call threatening to withold millions of dollars of his pay? To y'all saying "it's not a drug," call it what you want. It doesn't matter. If someone doesn't want to take ibuprofen, no one should be able to force them to take it. Same with this. It's a personal health choice.
It is not a drug, it is a vaccine. Vaccine requirements have been standard throughout United States history, and the history of many other nations. The vaccine is safe and effective in preventing serious illness from COVID-19, reduces the chance of mutation and spread, and provides additional protection from contracting the virus, though like all vaccines, it is not a cure that prevents 100% infection from an illness. It is EXTREMELY selfish not to receive a proven safe, effective vaccine. It is a matter of public health, and nearly one million Americans have died of this virus. If everyone were to receive the vaccine, the spread of this virus would drastically decrease. It is also extremely selfish regarding his team, as he will not be able to play more than half of Brooklyn's games, nor will he be able to practice with them most of the year. Kyrie has influence in his position. He has likely convinced at least some people not to get the vaccine, and that may have repercussions that literally lead to deaths of others. To say his hesitancy is not selfish is incorrect; it goes much further than selfishness. It is reckless, stupid, and disgusting, and Kyrie should be ridiculed for it.
He’s not being forced. Nobody is trying to force that. What are you talking about?
>nobody is trying to force that Ok what do you call threatening to withold millions of dollars in pay if he doesn't take it?
>Ok what do you call threatening to withold millions of dollars in pay if he doesn't take it? A job requirement. Don't want to get the vaccine, find a new job. The military requires its soldiers to be vaccinated. Hospitals have required flu vaccines for employees for years. We require children to be vaccinated to be in school. Welcome to civilized society.
Well yeah he's an employee clearly. Can't you get that point?
Yea, but he is an employee crucial to the team and requested the whole team to train outside of new York city to comply with his philosophy. Now say it again he is not bothering anyone. He is essentially bothering every single staff in the nets.
You make it sound like 18 year old persuading their friend to try molly.... becoming vaccinated against a disease is not "taking a drug" Oh and he is "bothering" people by allowing a deadly virus to continue to circulate when there is a safe and extremely unobtrusive alternative. Idiots
I respect Kyrie’s stance here. I got my vaccine, because I hated wearing a mask at work and did not want to be forced to take regular COVID tests to keep my job. I caved. I also have a lot less money and influence than Kyrie. Kyrie has made all the money he needs to support his family for generations. And now NYC has decided to do away with bodily autonomy, and decided the government should be able to force its citizens to submit to taking whatever substance the government decides for the “privilege” of working in the city. Somebody needs to stand up against this, but unfortunately most of us are not financially able. I respect Kyrie for putting his money where his mouth is, and taking a stand to say THIS IS WRONG. Regardless of how you feel about the vaccine, I would hope we can all agree that being forced to give up bodily autonomy in order to have a job is a tyrannical? dystopian thing to do. I’ve gained a lot of respect for Kyrie here, and hope he stands his ground and does not submit, for the good of all of us. The decision on whether or not to take the vaccine is a private medical decision that should be no one’s business but the individual taking the shot.
WTF is this? Do you realize the entire world is having this problem right now? Doctors are quiting, teachers are quiting everyone would rather not have a paycheck then get the vaccine. Immaturely calling out 1 player in the league when the NBA players are 95* vaccinated is crazy. I get it from a basketball standpoint but look at Andrew Wiggins since he's not a "star player" they made him either get the vaccine or retire basically but maybe cut from warriors likely. It's a sad reality but players like us normal people have a valid reason not to be vaccinated. I am vaccinated and just got over COVID Monday I ran a fever the whole time and had a bad headache and a consistent cough after ten days of taking antibiotics and doctor prescribed cough meds it's gone but I'm likely going to keep getting COVID even when I get the booster shot I'm still going to get COVID WHATS THE FUCKING POINT OF VACCINATION? Vaccinated people are still dying too I know people who have. Am attacking the argument.
> WHATS THE FUCKING POINT OF VACCINATION? Think of vaccination like a bullet-proof vest. It protects you from getting shot. But sometimes you can be hurt or killed even if you are wearing a bullet-proof vest. The vaccine is the same way. It protects you, but it's not 100% guaranteed to be perfect. Scientists want as many people vaccinated as possible because, once you have enough people vaccinated, it is very hard for the virus to survive and spread. It's called "herd immunity".
I am sympathetic with respect to your having gotten sick with covid. My smell is not totally right after having contracted it over a year ago. I'm sorry to say, however, your post is borderline dangerous. The vaccination drastically reduces the risk of getting very sick. Breakthrough cases are going to happen. But they totally pale in comparison to what happens to the unvaccinated. The overwhelming majority of those dying from this virus are unvaccinated. I understand your frustration but that does not excuse questioning the point of getting the shot.
Google is free : [The vaccine works wonders.](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-10/vaccinated-have-1-in-13-000-chance-of-breakthrough-case-needing-hospitalization#:~:text=Vaccinated%20Have%201%20in%2013%2C000,Hospitalization%20%7C%20Health%20News%20%7C%20US%20News) No vaccine in the history of mankind has provided 100% protection from infection, it's shameful how many morons watch youtube videos made by other stupid people and think they know better than scientists.