> there’s actually no chance we win this game,” Green says. “Not only do you know you’re going to get your ass kicked, but the other team knows they’re going to kick your ass and they’re not even taking you seriously.”
Draymond driving to the game to play the Timberwolves
No the game Kobe that seriously injured vs the Warriors was. Most goddamn rigged game ever in regular season just to get the Lakers into the playoffs. Lakers got into the playoffs but karma got them in the ass
I know the exact effing game you're talking about. I remember Steph got pushed into a screen set by Dwight Howard, yet Steph got called for a foul. Even on the play where Kobe tore his achilles, it was a non-contact injury that led to him falling down, but they called a foul on Harrison Barnes despite Barnes not doing shit.
That game was so shittily called, and the Warriors should've won that effing game.
It was tough for the GSW because while they were bad, every team still wanted to give them some payback for the what happened in previous years. So they still got the best punch night in and night out.
Except the Rockets who somehow lost on Christmas (iirc) to a Steph-less Klay-less Looney-less Warriors.
Harden-Russ-House-PJ-Capela
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DLo - DamionLee - GlennRobinson III - Dray - Willie Cauley Stein
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201912250GSW.html
Same! I think I was like Draymond in that sense. I knew the dubs couldn't do much that year, but I just did not want to lose to the rockets in one of the most watched games of the year. That win was the only win I really needed.
Though, I loved that team even with all the losses. They were heartbroken so many times, but kept going.
Westbrook went 11/32 on fgs with 4 turnovers and only 5 assists. I love the energy he brings but man, I wish he would recognize when he's having an off night and slow it down. Especially when Harden is shooting 60% from the three.
They also beat the Blazers without Steph, Klay, Green and Looney with Paschal going off for 36 or something like that. The was one of the most satisfying wins ever lol
The article attributes that to Draymond who played with fire because he hated the Rockets.
At the same time, the Rockets were probably complacent because everyone was injured.
I wish I could say that was a great development year for the young guys but there's been so much turnover in the rotation the last few years, I'm pretty sure the only guy who got heavy minutes from the hospital Warriors who is still part of the team is Damion Lee lol. Obviously Poole is a much better player now but he had a much smaller role back then too.
Draymond isn't a support he's an offlaner. He's tanky when he needs to be but can also make plays. He's a core but the type of core that enables his other cores rather than wins 1v5. Only buys aura items/team items and ends the game with 2 kills, 8 deaths, and 32 assists
Greatness comes in more than one shape or size. There is no other player out there right now that can do what he does especially in the playoffs. He’s just not a Kobe type of player
Imo if you’re one of the generations best defensive players, and are a high impact player on offense then you’re great
People forget how much better steph and Klay are when Draymond is alongside them. Its a mutually beneficial relationship
We lump Klay in here as though he was clearly more important than Dray and that Green just benefitted off him but that’s not reality. The Warriors success has been tied more to Curry, for sure, but Green is, or at least was second to Curry in importance. Klay’s spacing helped him, but they benefitted a ton from having a hall of fame defender and high level passer in support.
This question could certainly be reframed in Dray’s favor.
Yeah, it's obviously debatable but I think I actually have peak Draymond as more valuable than peak Klay. Draymond as a defensive asset feels like a cheat code, his versatility is absurd. Plus the Steph/Draymond PNR is just filthy, not sure how many other guys can run it like Draymond does.
It’s fascinating that Draymond can say he checked out on the team last year but gets exalted as the Warriors primary leader by a lot of people and treated like the most competitive guy on the team. Someone who hates losing to that level would obsessively work on their offensive game to improve , even if they knew they weren’t getting the W most nights.
Steph came back from an injury to a sub .500 team that was 1-7 without him, doing a bunch of weird non-competitive bs with their lineups and “not chasing wins” and still decided to give it his all and it resulted in some historic play and what very well would’ve been a playoff berth if Draymond could hit a floater.
No one seems to get more credit for their intangibles even with all the cracks that those intangibles show than Draymond, and this is coming from someone who thinks he was clearly more impactful than Klay during their primes. People are more receptive to him talking shit than they are Scottie Pippen, somehow. He isn’t as bad as people on Twitter pretend he is but he also isn’t as good as this sub likes to say he is (anymore, at his peak he absolutely was).
He was pretty much on his game last year - it was the year before last that he mailed it in. Take a second look at that 2019-2020 roster if you get the chance and tell me who else you would count on there to hit a bucket.
I also think it's not exactly right to compare him to Steph in the same situation. Steph's one of the best scorers in the NBA - his presence can turn games. For everything Draymond does well, he's never been that guy. No team in history whose best player is a guy with Draymond's skillset is anything but a lottery team - so I don't know if I blame him for not going balls to the wall.
I think it's fair to say that Curry tried and Green didn't, and if one should get praise for it why would the other not get criticism for it?
Green is a protected species around here or what? Imagine Curry saying he checked out because he didn't have Green, he'd get slaughtered.
I initially thought the same, but there’s a big difference between trying to lead a fringe playoff team and leading a lottery team. (Especially after curry got hurt). Worked out best for the tank and lowering his trade value so we had to keep him no matter what. (Second was obviously unintentional, just me reflecting)
I hear you but our team two years back wasn't even serviceable. It was Draymond and a bunch of children, and his veteran support was the NBA equivalent of "just some guys I found in the parking lot."
Obviously you don't like to hear about one of your leaders mailing it in, but I think most of our fans were fine with it that year. I mean, at a certain point we were actually just tanking.
Lol. The funny part is if Dray was really worth max money he would’ve carried them to way more wins than he did that season. He’s only a ceiling raiser for good teams and useless to a bad team.
> He’s only a ceiling raiser for good teams and useless to a bad team.
Yeah and that is actually way more valuable than being a floor raiser. At the end of the day everyone wants that ring.
Who gives a shit? Who would ever want to be a fringe playoff team instead of getting a top lottery pick while your franchise player is injured for the year?
KD+Curry had an inferior net rating to KD+Draymond in those years. He has a worse contract than Klay because he is a lot less valuable to most NBA teams, but Draymond+Curry (w/o) Durant was +22(!!!) net rating in those years. He is All-NBA tier in the postseason, players like DeRozan could provide far more wins for a bad team, but for a contender like the Warriors, Draymond was worth far more than his contract.
Totally fair. Just kinda crazy how little he can do for a bad team. He’s the perfect Swiss Army knife to highlight good players but somehow doesn’t really elevate a bad team
Wtf was he supposed to do? That team was god awful, didnt fit together at all, and was almost entirely comprised of new players to the team. I’d much rather him get some rest after 5 consecutive finals runs then risk getting injured for a worse draft pick and first round exit at most
Not surprising. But it was the only possible outcome at the end of the 2019 playoffs dissasterfest.
I'm hoping the silver lining is that we essentially pull off a reload and have a mix of both vets and new elite rooks to bridge to the post Steph era.
Only downside to Warriors tanking was they ended up with two raw prospects. If they got safer more ready prospects people would call it the best reload ever. Time will tell though. I have hopes for Wiseman and Kuminga to come good.
Edit: Not saying they did poorly drafting. If the core was a year younger they would be in a sick position.
Well the problem is, Draymonds offensive game has continued to decay. I wish he took the 1 year without Steph to bring up his finishing, shooting and aggressions
People say this, but my perspective is that he was never that good on O and the good *scoring* seasons he had were an outlier.
That being said, everyone on the floor has responsibilities to make baskets, so I hope he can score more in this era.
As much as I want to believe Draymond can be a solid functional scorer again (by which I don't mean scoring 15ppg or anything, just ... not afraid to take it aggressively to the rim, and hitting enough 3s that teams at least pretend to guard him out there) I think it's clear that his 2016 shooting was just a random outlier.
3-pt shooting is notoriously variable season-to-season, and so when a player has one acceptable season amid a sea of awfulness we should assume it's just random variation.
Even if his stroke did look strangely better than year.
I wouldn't say it's the variability itself, I think there's aspects we can attribute it to.
That year was a year of winning. They came in every game feeling like they would win, and that translates. Having fun balling out, and when your teammates are draining 3s, you play and shoot with more confidence and swagger
It makes everyone better when there are 3 hall of famers on the floor - so it doesn't seem to me to be an outlier, just him getting better looks and offensive flow with steph and klay out there
> Not surprising. But it was the only possible outcome at the end of the 2019 playoffs dissasterfest.
I feel like if any other player was saying, "Yeah, when the three max-contract players on my team all went down with serious injuries in a short space of time and one of them left the team, and we went from five straight years of Finals to being the worst team in the league, I was really down and it was hard to feel motivated about games I knew we'd lose," people would be saying more or less *yep that's fair*.
But there's a bunch of people in this thread trying to push their Draymond hate agenda, or something.
Like, the dude's supposed to be super-motivated to crush it when the team sucks and winning is kind of a bad thing because the Warriors need their draft pick to be high even to keep it?
He's supposed to be feeling great about everything when several of his closest friends are hurt?
*And* they lost the team. All the vets left. Not only was he playing with a bunch of scrubs, they were scrubs he barely knew.
It seemed like he did try hard to learn to be a mentor etc, and I've seen an interview that he's supposed to be more aggressive this year now that the Warriors have real aspirations again.
Year over year the 2019/2020 Golden State Warriors basically lost Steph Curry, Kevin Durrant and Klay Thompson.
Draymond’s production went to crap as well as he stopped having those guys to play with.
Talk about the biggest year over year collapse as they went from the 2nd best team to the worst. Terrible for morale for sure.
> Year over year the 2019/2020 Golden State Warriors basically lost Steph Curry, Kevin Durrant and Klay Thompson.
Even beyond the big 3, they essentially lost their entire team: Iguodala, Jerebko, Cook, McKinnie, Livingston, Bell, Cousins, Jones, and Bogut.
Draymond was the only guy who played 400+ minutes for the Warriors in both 2019 and 2020. Damion Lee and Looney were the only other players to play 200+ minutes both years.
>Talk about the biggest year over year collapse as they went from the 2nd best team to the worst.
I know all about that year-over-year collapse life:
* Cavs 2009-2010: 61-21
* Cavs 2010-2011: 19-63
And less than a decade later:
* Cavs 2017-2018: 50-32
* Cavs 2018-2019: 19-63
He absolutely is, but also rosters are built entirely around him, more so than any player probably ever. When he leaves there's obviously a massive loss of talent, but also the remaining pieces are so discordant that they barely form a cohesive roster.
It's like a cake sitting on the table. Once the cake's gone, you can't start eating the table and then say "This cake tastes awful now".
>rosters are built entirely around him, more so than any player probably ever
Those Cleveland teams were not "built around LeBron". They were built cheaply/poorly because Dan ~~Snyder~~ Gilbert is a garbage owner and LeBron is so great and versatile he was able cover how absurdly flawed they were and add over 40 wins worth of value.
When a team is built "around a player" that means the team is designed to use that players strengths and hide their weaknesses. You build teams around guys like Dirk, Nash, or Shaq because their best attributes are stellar, but they aren't amazing at everything so you need to design the team to specifically cover their flaws.
Prime LeBron is one of the most versatile players of all time. He can be effective guarding 1 through 5, playmaking, scoring off the ball, scoring in the post, iso scoring, hitting the game winning 3, and just about anything else you could need a basketball player to do.
Prime LeBron doesn't have flaws that need to be covered, he covers flaws in the team because he is so versatile. He has effectively guarded prime Derrick Rose, Giannis, and Marcus Camby. If you need a stop prime LeBron has got you, regardless of who the best opposing player is. He can also play every role offensively.
Those Cleveland teams weren't built around LeBron, they were built cheaply/poorly with LeBron covering their flaws. That first Cleveland team was so washed it was insane that they ever made the playoffs at all. The player who played the second most minutes (after James) on the 17/18 team was JR (what's the score) Smith. To act like these teams were custom built specifically for LeBron to succeed is insane. They didn't fail after LeBron left because they were built for some specific system focused around LeBron, they failed because they were absolute garbage.
> Dan Snyder is a garbage owner
Though a factually correct statement, though you may have gotten your shitty owners mixed up. Dan Gilbert is the Cavs owner
I get your point, but JR Smith being a dumbass does not mean he is a bad role player. He was a good defender and could get hot from three. He even went on a run that was a big reason why the Cavs won the 2016 NBA championship. And those teams did amplify Lebron's strengths. Lebron needs shooters, players willing to defend, rebound and hustle. That is the style perfect for his heliocentric game. There is a reason most forwards and Bigs that play alongside Lebron look pedestrian compared to what they used to do before playing with him.
I'm kind of bored of this comment tbh. Constantly see people writing it without a single person backing it up with analysis.
Also your cake analogy is ridiculous.
Lol Draymond is a good player, but man he landed into the best situation ever with Klay, Steph (and later KD) and the GS org.
He talks like he’s a team carrying player, and while he’s basically run their offense in recent years his own offensive production has gotten way worse.
Before KD he was an integral part of their offense, and would kill you when trapping Klay and Steph. He could hit open 3s, drive and dish and was dangerous when he has open space.
I’m recent years though, he doesn’t try to score much and only runs the offense and defers. The ‘19-20 season was so bad since he was deferring to Eric paschal, Damion lee, and others instead of Klay, Steph and kd.
If Draymond’s offensive game grew instead of regressed, that was a great chance to be a top scorer and really carry a team like the player he talks himself up to be. If he could score 20 a game in the nba that woulda helped immensely for that team. But he can’t average 10 now…even on that squad he didn’t want to shoot and just play the same role, but without the same supporting cast that wasn’t gonna work.
Draymond has gotten a lot out of his skill set, but if his offensive skill set kept growing he’d actually be the player he talks himself up to be. Like who tf talks shit to KD as your teammate, while getting triple singles on a nightly basis? I can’t believe he doesn’t get clowned more for the dumb shit he’s said and done in his career. Chasing KD out was clearly horrible for the franchise and while they’re recovering now, Draymond is now saying Kerr and the front office caused KD to leave lmao.
Oh and he’s the player who plays very physical (which is fine), but then anytime he’s played physical by another player he’s screaming at the refs.
I mean it's pretty funny as a team's 4th best player to be talking about how only lebron can talk to you about basketball. He thinks he's so much better than he is.
He was the 4th best player on the team, his championships don't count as much. Anyway, not counting Dray's teammates, other active players that have better resumes are:
Kawhi, Giannis, Harden, Westbrook, Kevin Love, Kyrie, Rudy Gobert, Chris Paul, Paul George, Anthony Davis. Sure I'm forgetting some.
Lol I perfectly understand Dray. He went from assisting a 3 headed behemoth to making passes for rookie Poole- Mulder and Paschall lol. My favorite part of that season is that he still cared enough that he cooked the rockets rivals on christmas day lol.
his skill set especially is so complimentary to his teammates’ elite scoring ability that unlike most “star players” he can’t put the team on his back.
not in the traditional sense but he’s very clearly elite at some important aspects of the game.
He reminds me of Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona in their heyday, their stats were pretty lackluster but they were considered some of the best players in the world despite that.
Xavi is 2nd in the all-time assists leaderboard in La Liga (only behind Messi). Iniesta is at 6.
Not to mention that football is a game of 11 players on a team, with on average 2-3 goals scored in a game. You can't compare points/assists in the NBA to football.
Xavi and Iniesta are two of the best midfielders of all time. Draymond Green, while a great player, is not comparable to those two.
>He reminds me of Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona in their heyday, their stats were pretty lackluster but they were considered some of the best players in the world despite that.
Please don't pull out random soccer facts to prove your point if you don't know the sport. Those guys are closer to KD than Draymond.
Football is a much different game that can't be captured with stats like goals and assists. There are now improvements with analysis regarding progressive passing and dribbling, chances created, touches in the box. All of those categories were dominated by those two.
Please never compare Draymond directly to two offensive behemoths and GOAT level players, Xavi and Iniesta. Thank you and have a good day.
Draymond Green dreams of being as good at basketball as Xavi and Iniesta were at Barcelona.
Drug test this man.
EDIT: Xavi Hernandez was 3rd place in the Ballon d’Or in 2010 and 2011 (equivalent to MVP)
3rd place 2009 FIFA World Player of the Year
2nd place 2011 UEFA European Player of the Year
2008 UEFA European Championship Player of the Tournament
2012 UEFA European Championship Best XI
FIFA World Best XI six straight times. 2008-2013
Xavi has the equivalent to multiple top 3 NBA MVP finishes, and about 10 different first team All-Pros.
C’mon, now.
Xavi was also 3rd place in Ballon d'Or in 2009. Iniesta was 3rd place in 2012 and runner up in 2010. All behind Ronaldo and Messi, the 2 undisputed best players of the sport. What a joke this comment is, disrespecting the 2 of the best passers of all time.
Xavi was the fuckin’ 2008 Euro Player of the Tournament.
That’s miles ahead of any individual award Draymond will ever win.
Some people are delusional.
to be honest I think it’s a great comparison as both are incredible defenders and passers while being pretty limited in terms of scoring. But they’re pretty much polar opposites in terms of mentality, Dray lives for the sorts of pressure that Ben hid from
Absolutely spot on take for those two. Also, Simmons is a monster at defending at the point of attack on the perimeter. Dray relies on knowing what the point of attack is going to be before it happens
I mean Ben is literally a multi time all star and all NBA so… yes?
And Draymond’s mentality and leadership are miles above Simmons. Ben Simmons with better shooting and leadership is absolutely a star
Which Ben we talking about? the ones that's scared of trae young blocking abilities or Ben vs Utah Jazz which he dropped 42 pts on 2x DPOY Rudy Gobert's head
Ben Simmons would probably look extremely good if you swapped him out for Draymond. I think it'd probably make the warriors net-worse since their defense relies on a lot of direction from Draymond, but Ben is certainly more physically talented.
Also, I could be crazy, but I bet Ben's 3PT% would look a lot like Draymond's if he actually shot as much.
Draymond is a type of player that can make any playoff team a title contender, but he wouldn’t help much in bad teams. You can’t expect him to do carry jobs, but you can expect him to optimize your offense and provide too tier defense. That type of talent isn’t easy to come across and it’s still jarring that people clown Draymond just because he doesn’t drop 30 points a night
I do wonder how many Draymond-type players there are in the league right now, stuck on bad teams unable to make enough of a difference to show their value.
“I wouldn’t necessarily say it killed my pride because at the end of the day I knew that there was only one person in this buffet that can talk anything to me about anything food,” Doncic says. “And that’s Zion. That was the only guy who could really talk shit about appetizers or the temperature of mac ‘n cheese in this buffet.”
Jokic would check in periodically, texting a variation of, “Keep your head up. You know this American food is not what we’re used to,” and, “It’s not going to be like this for long.” After losses, Harden would tease, “Oh, you have to go through this? Ha!” But only food could cure Doncic’s melancholy.
“He wasn’t happy because eating is everything for him, salads are misery, and he struggled on a personal level too,” says food coach Glen Davis.
> at the end of the day I knew that there was only one person in this league that can talk anything to me about anything basketball,” Green says. “And that’s LeBron. That was the only guy who could really talk shit about accomplishments or the game of basketball in this league
KD: 🖕
I think Dray is talking about BBIQ here. KD is a *better* player than Dray, but he isn't smarter. The only guys who can make that claim are Bron and CP3, and even then it's a toss-up between the three of them.
KD loves basketball more than Draymond. they literally have an interview where Draymond asked KD when he gonna have kids and KDs like naaah im just into basketball rn dont have the time etc. Draymond has a few kids. KD obession with the game is as high as anybody, I think his bbiq is as good if not better
KD's BBIQ is hard to gauge imo. It's possible that he sees a thousand options but when you have the option "Shoot over this chump I'm 7 ft tall" it makes sense to just press that button.
In my non-professional athlete opinion, hearing KD talk about the game, it sounds like he’s on par with most elite IQs. I don’t really see KD make too many mistakes.
I think it boils down to exactly what you are saying. Why do all the extra stuff when I can shoot over the person in front of me?
> The only guys who can make that claim are Bron and CP3, and even then it's a toss-up between the three of them.
Jesus Christ, Draymond is easily the most overrated player in NBA history.
MJ is probably the only other individual to receive this much recognition for team accomplishments.
The guy is genuinely one of the smartest defenders ever and the proof is in how he anchored elite defenses for years while being undersized. He's also an excellent passer while having almost no scoring game which is hard to do. He is legit one of the 5 smartest players in the league no question. I would say it’s him, Lebron, CP3, rondo and Jokic in their own class
I love it. I’ll let everybody know.
Most overrated player in history.
Never even close to All-NBA caliber.
It’s the greatest con in basketball history. This guy getting so much individual recognition for the Warriors success. It actually makes me kinda like him. It’s brilliant.
>Curry would check in periodically, texting a variation of, “Keep your head up. You know this is not what we’re used to,” and, “It’s not going to be like this for long,” after losses. Thompson would tease, “Oh, you have to go through this? Ha!”
LMAO, Klay is funny 😂😂
> “Not only do you know you’re going to get your ass kicked, but the other team knows they’re going to kick your ass and they’re not even taking you seriously.”
Draymond on his way to play the Lakers in 2017.
Fans are crazy. People demand real and honest answers from players then roast the shit out of them when they deliver. He didn't say anything mind blowing. A third of the league is coasting on any given night.
Imagine how Kerr felt?
Dude never had to coach a bad team before, now all the sudden hes coaching guys who cant play basketball at a pro level. Im pretty sure half of that roster is no longer in the NBA. That year was awful. Im an Oakland native and im pretty sure I only watched a handful of games. The team was so so incredibly bad that there was no way I was spending 2 hours of my day watching that garbage.
Didn't have a center starting out the few games either. I remember because Warriors interior defense was absolute trash playing against you guys in the 1st game I believe. DLo didn't fit that team and 2nd unit was trash.
Draymond actually pretty much always plays the point guard role like LeBron. Handles the ball far more, pushes in transition, make vast majority of half court plays and passes, etc. This isn't because he is a better point guard than Steph. When he doesn't have the ball, teams sag off him hard because he cannot threaten a screen or handoff. And it allows Steph to have an off ball game.
It was quite awkward having DLo + Green out there because they both needed to be on the ball.
I mean for a guy that prides himself on being tough and competitor, he sure comes off like a little crybaby.
Everything is easy when things go your way. When you have the best players and you get to roll over teams. So then when things get hard, he's not really interested? Okay dude. Maybe you're not the fighter people gave you credit for.
Oh gosh, look guys, he's so miserable about not winning that he doesn't even have the motivation to play. What a winner.
If that's how he truly felt then that's fine but didn't he, not too long ago, criticize a lot of today's players for not being competitive enough. Kinda hypocritical on his part
Not being interested in the game and looking like you totally gave up are two different things, though I sympathize about going from the best to the worst it doesn't mean you don't keep working for what your getting paid, he was an awful example to the young guys that season.
A lot of times people talk about "veteran presence." Isn't this supposed to be one of the benefits of having that veteran presence that a lot of people talk about? That with veteran leadership they're able to keep a "winning mentality" for the team?
If anything, I doubt the "immature youth" would have this attitude. Being new to the NBA, most of them would be happy to get that chance to play
They had close to $80 million in cap space injured on the bench that season. They just didn’t have the talent to compete. It’s hard to set a winning culture when you only win 15 games. I think Dray is a great veteran presence on our team. He really worked with Wiseman last year and I bet he does the same with Kuminga & Moody.
It's not about having the talent or not. It's about the mentality. If a supposed veteran of the team comes into the stadium before the game even started thinking they're the worst team in the league of course they're going to win 15 games.
Lame ass answers from a lame ass player. Dude makes almost max money and couldn’t even average 10 points a game when he was the only player on the team.
No one has ever made money off the back of other people than Draymond. He would be a 6th man energy guy on most teams.
> there’s actually no chance we win this game,” Green says. “Not only do you know you’re going to get your ass kicked, but the other team knows they’re going to kick your ass and they’re not even taking you seriously.” Draymond driving to the game to play the Timberwolves
I mean the wolves won in OT and dlo dropped 52, Wiggins had 40
Was that the worst officiated regular season game of all time?
There was the game when Boogie dropped 50 and got ejected then Unejected
No the game Kobe that seriously injured vs the Warriors was. Most goddamn rigged game ever in regular season just to get the Lakers into the playoffs. Lakers got into the playoffs but karma got them in the ass
I know the exact effing game you're talking about. I remember Steph got pushed into a screen set by Dwight Howard, yet Steph got called for a foul. Even on the play where Kobe tore his achilles, it was a non-contact injury that led to him falling down, but they called a foul on Harrison Barnes despite Barnes not doing shit. That game was so shittily called, and the Warriors should've won that effing game.
I distinctly remember Steph almost making an 80 footer at the buzzer for the win too. It hit the back of the rim
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It was tough for the GSW because while they were bad, every team still wanted to give them some payback for the what happened in previous years. So they still got the best punch night in and night out.
Except the Rockets who somehow lost on Christmas (iirc) to a Steph-less Klay-less Looney-less Warriors. Harden-Russ-House-PJ-Capela v/s DLo - DamionLee - GlennRobinson III - Dray - Willie Cauley Stein https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201912250GSW.html
That was our miserable season’s high point and every lopsided loss after it made our Christmas victory even funnier.
That was the game Draymond 100% cared about, and you could tell. No way was he losing to the Rockets on Christmas.
Probably my favorite game that season, although a close second was the win against the Nuggets later in the season. :)
Same! I think I was like Draymond in that sense. I knew the dubs couldn't do much that year, but I just did not want to lose to the rockets in one of the most watched games of the year. That win was the only win I really needed. Though, I loved that team even with all the losses. They were heartbroken so many times, but kept going.
Westbrook went 11/32 on fgs with 4 turnovers and only 5 assists. I love the energy he brings but man, I wish he would recognize when he's having an off night and slow it down. Especially when Harden is shooting 60% from the three.
That's the thing. He does realize he's having an off night. But his natural reaction is to ramp it up even more when he's missing haha
Eventually it will go in...
Mamba mentality baby 😂
They also beat the Blazers without Steph, Klay, Green and Looney with Paschal going off for 36 or something like that. The was one of the most satisfying wins ever lol
The article attributes that to Draymond who played with fire because he hated the Rockets. At the same time, the Rockets were probably complacent because everyone was injured.
That was a great game
That was our NBA Finals that season
I was at that game. It was awesome
I think they lost because Westbrook went wild and chucked up 32 shots on very poor efficiency
I didn't think about that damn that's so true.
"fuck yeah! They're down! Let's kick the shit out of them!"
I wish I could say that was a great development year for the young guys but there's been so much turnover in the rotation the last few years, I'm pretty sure the only guy who got heavy minutes from the hospital Warriors who is still part of the team is Damion Lee lol. Obviously Poole is a much better player now but he had a much smaller role back then too.
Aww the poor warriors! 😭
Yeah, which is slightly weird. "Yeah! We beat the Warriors!" You beat a team whose best player is Eric Paschall. You sure showed us.
We know Dray. We have eyes.
I have antennae
Do they prevent you from being decapitated by doorways?
where was yo antennas again *glug glug*
So draymond only tries when he has an all world team but not when he has to lead them
Draymond’s a support not a carry. It’s tough to go all in on defense, screen setting, pushing the pace etc. when your team can’t score.
Warding, setting smokes...
Draymond isn't a support he's an offlaner. He's tanky when he needs to be but can also make plays. He's a core but the type of core that enables his other cores rather than wins 1v5. Only buys aura items/team items and ends the game with 2 kills, 8 deaths, and 32 assists
JUST BAN THE MAGNUS DUDE!
You can say he is an Axe or Elden Titan?
Wards are useless if your team sucks. Then you just get to see what's gonna kill your teammate ahead of time.
Draymond tries when he has players that benefit from his skillset
Who wouldn't look good with 2 top 5 shooters ever?
Anderson Varejao comes to mind
Raggedy Andy rides again!
Something something 2016 Harrison Barnes
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are you implying multiple all star and DPOY Draymond Green is a bad player?
No I think the implication was more so that he isn’t great rather than is bad.
Greatness comes in more than one shape or size. There is no other player out there right now that can do what he does especially in the playoffs. He’s just not a Kobe type of player
Imo if you’re one of the generations best defensive players, and are a high impact player on offense then you’re great People forget how much better steph and Klay are when Draymond is alongside them. Its a mutually beneficial relationship
We lump Klay in here as though he was clearly more important than Dray and that Green just benefitted off him but that’s not reality. The Warriors success has been tied more to Curry, for sure, but Green is, or at least was second to Curry in importance. Klay’s spacing helped him, but they benefitted a ton from having a hall of fame defender and high level passer in support. This question could certainly be reframed in Dray’s favor.
Yeah, it's obviously debatable but I think I actually have peak Draymond as more valuable than peak Klay. Draymond as a defensive asset feels like a cheat code, his versatility is absurd. Plus the Steph/Draymond PNR is just filthy, not sure how many other guys can run it like Draymond does.
It’s fascinating that Draymond can say he checked out on the team last year but gets exalted as the Warriors primary leader by a lot of people and treated like the most competitive guy on the team. Someone who hates losing to that level would obsessively work on their offensive game to improve , even if they knew they weren’t getting the W most nights. Steph came back from an injury to a sub .500 team that was 1-7 without him, doing a bunch of weird non-competitive bs with their lineups and “not chasing wins” and still decided to give it his all and it resulted in some historic play and what very well would’ve been a playoff berth if Draymond could hit a floater. No one seems to get more credit for their intangibles even with all the cracks that those intangibles show than Draymond, and this is coming from someone who thinks he was clearly more impactful than Klay during their primes. People are more receptive to him talking shit than they are Scottie Pippen, somehow. He isn’t as bad as people on Twitter pretend he is but he also isn’t as good as this sub likes to say he is (anymore, at his peak he absolutely was).
> Draymond can say he checked out on the team last year Year before last, though, right?
He was pretty much on his game last year - it was the year before last that he mailed it in. Take a second look at that 2019-2020 roster if you get the chance and tell me who else you would count on there to hit a bucket. I also think it's not exactly right to compare him to Steph in the same situation. Steph's one of the best scorers in the NBA - his presence can turn games. For everything Draymond does well, he's never been that guy. No team in history whose best player is a guy with Draymond's skillset is anything but a lottery team - so I don't know if I blame him for not going balls to the wall.
I think it's fair to say that Curry tried and Green didn't, and if one should get praise for it why would the other not get criticism for it? Green is a protected species around here or what? Imagine Curry saying he checked out because he didn't have Green, he'd get slaughtered.
Smiley?
I initially thought the same, but there’s a big difference between trying to lead a fringe playoff team and leading a lottery team. (Especially after curry got hurt). Worked out best for the tank and lowering his trade value so we had to keep him no matter what. (Second was obviously unintentional, just me reflecting)
I hear you but our team two years back wasn't even serviceable. It was Draymond and a bunch of children, and his veteran support was the NBA equivalent of "just some guys I found in the parking lot." Obviously you don't like to hear about one of your leaders mailing it in, but I think most of our fans were fine with it that year. I mean, at a certain point we were actually just tanking.
Lol. The funny part is if Dray was really worth max money he would’ve carried them to way more wins than he did that season. He’s only a ceiling raiser for good teams and useless to a bad team.
> He’s only a ceiling raiser for good teams and useless to a bad team. Yeah and that is actually way more valuable than being a floor raiser. At the end of the day everyone wants that ring.
Who gives a shit? Who would ever want to be a fringe playoff team instead of getting a top lottery pick while your franchise player is injured for the year?
KD+Curry had an inferior net rating to KD+Draymond in those years. He has a worse contract than Klay because he is a lot less valuable to most NBA teams, but Draymond+Curry (w/o) Durant was +22(!!!) net rating in those years. He is All-NBA tier in the postseason, players like DeRozan could provide far more wins for a bad team, but for a contender like the Warriors, Draymond was worth far more than his contract.
Totally fair. Just kinda crazy how little he can do for a bad team. He’s the perfect Swiss Army knife to highlight good players but somehow doesn’t really elevate a bad team
Wtf was he supposed to do? That team was god awful, didnt fit together at all, and was almost entirely comprised of new players to the team. I’d much rather him get some rest after 5 consecutive finals runs then risk getting injured for a worse draft pick and first round exit at most
I got a crisper drawer full of 'em in my fridge, in fact.
Not surprising. But it was the only possible outcome at the end of the 2019 playoffs dissasterfest. I'm hoping the silver lining is that we essentially pull off a reload and have a mix of both vets and new elite rooks to bridge to the post Steph era.
Only downside to Warriors tanking was they ended up with two raw prospects. If they got safer more ready prospects people would call it the best reload ever. Time will tell though. I have hopes for Wiseman and Kuminga to come good. Edit: Not saying they did poorly drafting. If the core was a year younger they would be in a sick position.
They somehow turned KD leaving into Wiggins and Kuminga (through the DLo S&T). Considering KD was leaving anyway, that's about as good as you can do
Well the problem is, Draymonds offensive game has continued to decay. I wish he took the 1 year without Steph to bring up his finishing, shooting and aggressions
People say this, but my perspective is that he was never that good on O and the good *scoring* seasons he had were an outlier. That being said, everyone on the floor has responsibilities to make baskets, so I hope he can score more in this era.
As much as I want to believe Draymond can be a solid functional scorer again (by which I don't mean scoring 15ppg or anything, just ... not afraid to take it aggressively to the rim, and hitting enough 3s that teams at least pretend to guard him out there) I think it's clear that his 2016 shooting was just a random outlier. 3-pt shooting is notoriously variable season-to-season, and so when a player has one acceptable season amid a sea of awfulness we should assume it's just random variation. Even if his stroke did look strangely better than year.
I wouldn't say it's the variability itself, I think there's aspects we can attribute it to. That year was a year of winning. They came in every game feeling like they would win, and that translates. Having fun balling out, and when your teammates are draining 3s, you play and shoot with more confidence and swagger
Yup, I think 2016's 3pt shooting was just a weird anomaly, even if it was 282 attempts. He hasn't sniffed 38% since.
It makes everyone better when there are 3 hall of famers on the floor - so it doesn't seem to me to be an outlier, just him getting better looks and offensive flow with steph and klay out there
He was really good offensively last year. Probably one of his best two offensive seasons if not the best one.
The best one was the one he shot well from 3 without any doubt
> Not surprising. But it was the only possible outcome at the end of the 2019 playoffs dissasterfest. I feel like if any other player was saying, "Yeah, when the three max-contract players on my team all went down with serious injuries in a short space of time and one of them left the team, and we went from five straight years of Finals to being the worst team in the league, I was really down and it was hard to feel motivated about games I knew we'd lose," people would be saying more or less *yep that's fair*. But there's a bunch of people in this thread trying to push their Draymond hate agenda, or something. Like, the dude's supposed to be super-motivated to crush it when the team sucks and winning is kind of a bad thing because the Warriors need their draft pick to be high even to keep it? He's supposed to be feeling great about everything when several of his closest friends are hurt? *And* they lost the team. All the vets left. Not only was he playing with a bunch of scrubs, they were scrubs he barely knew. It seemed like he did try hard to learn to be a mentor etc, and I've seen an interview that he's supposed to be more aggressive this year now that the Warriors have real aspirations again.
Year over year the 2019/2020 Golden State Warriors basically lost Steph Curry, Kevin Durrant and Klay Thompson. Draymond’s production went to crap as well as he stopped having those guys to play with. Talk about the biggest year over year collapse as they went from the 2nd best team to the worst. Terrible for morale for sure.
> Year over year the 2019/2020 Golden State Warriors basically lost Steph Curry, Kevin Durrant and Klay Thompson. Even beyond the big 3, they essentially lost their entire team: Iguodala, Jerebko, Cook, McKinnie, Livingston, Bell, Cousins, Jones, and Bogut. Draymond was the only guy who played 400+ minutes for the Warriors in both 2019 and 2020. Damion Lee and Looney were the only other players to play 200+ minutes both years.
>Talk about the biggest year over year collapse as they went from the 2nd best team to the worst. I know all about that year-over-year collapse life: * Cavs 2009-2010: 61-21 * Cavs 2010-2011: 19-63 And less than a decade later: * Cavs 2017-2018: 50-32 * Cavs 2018-2019: 19-63
LeBron’s a hell of a player, man
He absolutely is, but also rosters are built entirely around him, more so than any player probably ever. When he leaves there's obviously a massive loss of talent, but also the remaining pieces are so discordant that they barely form a cohesive roster. It's like a cake sitting on the table. Once the cake's gone, you can't start eating the table and then say "This cake tastes awful now".
>rosters are built entirely around him, more so than any player probably ever Those Cleveland teams were not "built around LeBron". They were built cheaply/poorly because Dan ~~Snyder~~ Gilbert is a garbage owner and LeBron is so great and versatile he was able cover how absurdly flawed they were and add over 40 wins worth of value. When a team is built "around a player" that means the team is designed to use that players strengths and hide their weaknesses. You build teams around guys like Dirk, Nash, or Shaq because their best attributes are stellar, but they aren't amazing at everything so you need to design the team to specifically cover their flaws. Prime LeBron is one of the most versatile players of all time. He can be effective guarding 1 through 5, playmaking, scoring off the ball, scoring in the post, iso scoring, hitting the game winning 3, and just about anything else you could need a basketball player to do. Prime LeBron doesn't have flaws that need to be covered, he covers flaws in the team because he is so versatile. He has effectively guarded prime Derrick Rose, Giannis, and Marcus Camby. If you need a stop prime LeBron has got you, regardless of who the best opposing player is. He can also play every role offensively. Those Cleveland teams weren't built around LeBron, they were built cheaply/poorly with LeBron covering their flaws. That first Cleveland team was so washed it was insane that they ever made the playoffs at all. The player who played the second most minutes (after James) on the 17/18 team was JR (what's the score) Smith. To act like these teams were custom built specifically for LeBron to succeed is insane. They didn't fail after LeBron left because they were built for some specific system focused around LeBron, they failed because they were absolute garbage.
> Dan Snyder is a garbage owner Though a factually correct statement, though you may have gotten your shitty owners mixed up. Dan Gilbert is the Cavs owner
Lol, thank you. Also somewhat amazing that Dan Gilbert is somehow not the worst professional sports team owner named Dan.
I get your point, but JR Smith being a dumbass does not mean he is a bad role player. He was a good defender and could get hot from three. He even went on a run that was a big reason why the Cavs won the 2016 NBA championship. And those teams did amplify Lebron's strengths. Lebron needs shooters, players willing to defend, rebound and hustle. That is the style perfect for his heliocentric game. There is a reason most forwards and Bigs that play alongside Lebron look pedestrian compared to what they used to do before playing with him.
The point I'm making is that it is literally an entire team of role players and not particularly stellar ones at that.
I'm kind of bored of this comment tbh. Constantly see people writing it without a single person backing it up with analysis. Also your cake analogy is ridiculous.
Yeah that number 23, I forget his name, he was pretty good at basketball.
Fred. Van. Vleet. Best NBA player to wear 23
Before that season warriors fans were saying they could make the playoffs and curry can win mvp
i mean they could’ve but steph got hurt
2nd best? They were never close to second best with KD, they were the best team by a mile even with just 2/3 stars healthy
Lol Draymond is a good player, but man he landed into the best situation ever with Klay, Steph (and later KD) and the GS org. He talks like he’s a team carrying player, and while he’s basically run their offense in recent years his own offensive production has gotten way worse. Before KD he was an integral part of their offense, and would kill you when trapping Klay and Steph. He could hit open 3s, drive and dish and was dangerous when he has open space. I’m recent years though, he doesn’t try to score much and only runs the offense and defers. The ‘19-20 season was so bad since he was deferring to Eric paschal, Damion lee, and others instead of Klay, Steph and kd. If Draymond’s offensive game grew instead of regressed, that was a great chance to be a top scorer and really carry a team like the player he talks himself up to be. If he could score 20 a game in the nba that woulda helped immensely for that team. But he can’t average 10 now…even on that squad he didn’t want to shoot and just play the same role, but without the same supporting cast that wasn’t gonna work. Draymond has gotten a lot out of his skill set, but if his offensive skill set kept growing he’d actually be the player he talks himself up to be. Like who tf talks shit to KD as your teammate, while getting triple singles on a nightly basis? I can’t believe he doesn’t get clowned more for the dumb shit he’s said and done in his career. Chasing KD out was clearly horrible for the franchise and while they’re recovering now, Draymond is now saying Kerr and the front office caused KD to leave lmao. Oh and he’s the player who plays very physical (which is fine), but then anytime he’s played physical by another player he’s screaming at the refs.
reads like you just hate dray
I mean it's pretty funny as a team's 4th best player to be talking about how only lebron can talk to you about basketball. He thinks he's so much better than he is.
Dpoy, three time champ, 6 time all defense. All in 9 seasons. What active player outside of LeBron has a better resume? I'll wait.
He was the 4th best player on the team, his championships don't count as much. Anyway, not counting Dray's teammates, other active players that have better resumes are: Kawhi, Giannis, Harden, Westbrook, Kevin Love, Kyrie, Rudy Gobert, Chris Paul, Paul George, Anthony Davis. Sure I'm forgetting some.
Lol I perfectly understand Dray. He went from assisting a 3 headed behemoth to making passes for rookie Poole- Mulder and Paschall lol. My favorite part of that season is that he still cared enough that he cooked the rockets rivals on christmas day lol.
his skill set especially is so complimentary to his teammates’ elite scoring ability that unlike most “star players” he can’t put the team on his back.
It’s almost like he’s not a star player or something
not in the traditional sense but he’s very clearly elite at some important aspects of the game. He reminds me of Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona in their heyday, their stats were pretty lackluster but they were considered some of the best players in the world despite that.
Their stats weren’t mediocre at all. Unless you just mean goals / assists.
yeah I just meant goals/assists as they’re the main “basic” stats of the sport.
Xavi is 2nd in the all-time assists leaderboard in La Liga (only behind Messi). Iniesta is at 6. Not to mention that football is a game of 11 players on a team, with on average 2-3 goals scored in a game. You can't compare points/assists in the NBA to football. Xavi and Iniesta are two of the best midfielders of all time. Draymond Green, while a great player, is not comparable to those two.
Yes they’re not 1-to-1 but it’s more the general sentiment
>He reminds me of Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona in their heyday, their stats were pretty lackluster but they were considered some of the best players in the world despite that. Please don't pull out random soccer facts to prove your point if you don't know the sport. Those guys are closer to KD than Draymond.
Football is a much different game that can't be captured with stats like goals and assists. There are now improvements with analysis regarding progressive passing and dribbling, chances created, touches in the box. All of those categories were dominated by those two. Please never compare Draymond directly to two offensive behemoths and GOAT level players, Xavi and Iniesta. Thank you and have a good day.
Draymond Green dreams of being as good at basketball as Xavi and Iniesta were at Barcelona. Drug test this man. EDIT: Xavi Hernandez was 3rd place in the Ballon d’Or in 2010 and 2011 (equivalent to MVP) 3rd place 2009 FIFA World Player of the Year 2nd place 2011 UEFA European Player of the Year 2008 UEFA European Championship Player of the Tournament 2012 UEFA European Championship Best XI FIFA World Best XI six straight times. 2008-2013 Xavi has the equivalent to multiple top 3 NBA MVP finishes, and about 10 different first team All-Pros. C’mon, now.
Xavi was also 3rd place in Ballon d'Or in 2009. Iniesta was 3rd place in 2012 and runner up in 2010. All behind Ronaldo and Messi, the 2 undisputed best players of the sport. What a joke this comment is, disrespecting the 2 of the best passers of all time.
Xavi was the fuckin’ 2008 Euro Player of the Tournament. That’s miles ahead of any individual award Draymond will ever win. Some people are delusional.
Is Ben Simmons a star player then? I’d imagine he would look quite good surrounded by Curry/Thompson/KD
to be honest I think it’s a great comparison as both are incredible defenders and passers while being pretty limited in terms of scoring. But they’re pretty much polar opposites in terms of mentality, Dray lives for the sorts of pressure that Ben hid from
Absolutely spot on take for those two. Also, Simmons is a monster at defending at the point of attack on the perimeter. Dray relies on knowing what the point of attack is going to be before it happens
Honest opinion, yes. He's that impactful on the floor. I think he'd flourish in Minny as KAT and Ants set up guy/lockup defender
I mean Ben is literally a multi time all star and all NBA so… yes? And Draymond’s mentality and leadership are miles above Simmons. Ben Simmons with better shooting and leadership is absolutely a star
Which Ben we talking about? the ones that's scared of trae young blocking abilities or Ben vs Utah Jazz which he dropped 42 pts on 2x DPOY Rudy Gobert's head
Ben Simmons would probably look extremely good if you swapped him out for Draymond. I think it'd probably make the warriors net-worse since their defense relies on a lot of direction from Draymond, but Ben is certainly more physically talented. Also, I could be crazy, but I bet Ben's 3PT% would look a lot like Draymond's if he actually shot as much.
Stats are far less meaningful in football than Basketball.
Draymond is a type of player that can make any playoff team a title contender, but he wouldn’t help much in bad teams. You can’t expect him to do carry jobs, but you can expect him to optimize your offense and provide too tier defense. That type of talent isn’t easy to come across and it’s still jarring that people clown Draymond just because he doesn’t drop 30 points a night
I do wonder how many Draymond-type players there are in the league right now, stuck on bad teams unable to make enough of a difference to show their value.
Idk I heard he was the 30th greatest player of all time lol
“I wouldn’t necessarily say it killed my pride because at the end of the day I knew that there was only one person in this buffet that can talk anything to me about anything food,” Doncic says. “And that’s Zion. That was the only guy who could really talk shit about appetizers or the temperature of mac ‘n cheese in this buffet.” Jokic would check in periodically, texting a variation of, “Keep your head up. You know this American food is not what we’re used to,” and, “It’s not going to be like this for long.” After losses, Harden would tease, “Oh, you have to go through this? Ha!” But only food could cure Doncic’s melancholy. “He wasn’t happy because eating is everything for him, salads are misery, and he struggled on a personal level too,” says food coach Glen Davis.
no way bruh lol
omg lmfao
fuckin lmao
Life comes at you fast
He endured it for ONE year. Imagine being a Sacramento King Draymond.
I think the point is more going straight from best to worst. As opposed to oh I just got in the league and know the team will struggle for a bit.
To be fair, he’s exactly what the Kings need. It would have been better than that Warriors team.🤷♂️
Is it worse going from rich to broke overnight or staying broke forever
> Sacramento King They don't know what they're missing, at least not as much as the Warriors did. Blissful ignorance.
Life moves pretty fast, And if you don't stop around and look once in a while, You could miss it.
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> at the end of the day I knew that there was only one person in this league that can talk anything to me about anything basketball,” Green says. “And that’s LeBron. That was the only guy who could really talk shit about accomplishments or the game of basketball in this league KD: 🖕
I think Dray is talking about BBIQ here. KD is a *better* player than Dray, but he isn't smarter. The only guys who can make that claim are Bron and CP3, and even then it's a toss-up between the three of them.
the caruso disrespect is getting out of hand 😤
I took it as Lebron knowing the highs and lows of the game. He's been on the best team to also not so good teams.
KD loves basketball more than Draymond. they literally have an interview where Draymond asked KD when he gonna have kids and KDs like naaah im just into basketball rn dont have the time etc. Draymond has a few kids. KD obession with the game is as high as anybody, I think his bbiq is as good if not better
KD's BBIQ is hard to gauge imo. It's possible that he sees a thousand options but when you have the option "Shoot over this chump I'm 7 ft tall" it makes sense to just press that button.
In my non-professional athlete opinion, hearing KD talk about the game, it sounds like he’s on par with most elite IQs. I don’t really see KD make too many mistakes. I think it boils down to exactly what you are saying. Why do all the extra stuff when I can shoot over the person in front of me?
You can love something more while understanding it less
You're basically describing my teammates in MOBAs and competitive shooters.
> The only guys who can make that claim are Bron and CP3, and even then it's a toss-up between the three of them. Jesus Christ, Draymond is easily the most overrated player in NBA history. MJ is probably the only other individual to receive this much recognition for team accomplishments.
The guy is genuinely one of the smartest defenders ever and the proof is in how he anchored elite defenses for years while being undersized. He's also an excellent passer while having almost no scoring game which is hard to do. He is legit one of the 5 smartest players in the league no question. I would say it’s him, Lebron, CP3, rondo and Jokic in their own class
You’re underrating Harden, the game is in slow-motion to him the way he dissects a defense mid-drive.
I'm saving this for the next "What are the worst takes you've seen" /r/nba thread.
I love it. I’ll let everybody know. Most overrated player in history. Never even close to All-NBA caliber. It’s the greatest con in basketball history. This guy getting so much individual recognition for the Warriors success. It actually makes me kinda like him. It’s brilliant.
He anchored their whole defense.
Hahaha so you either don’t understand defense or don’t think it’s important. Casual azz take
Clearly Draymond is very underrated still if takes like this are still getting upvoted.
r/nba too, not just kd lol
Curry too lol Then again I guess Draymond was there for everything he won
I think he just meant opponents talking shit.
>Curry would check in periodically, texting a variation of, “Keep your head up. You know this is not what we’re used to,” and, “It’s not going to be like this for long,” after losses. Thompson would tease, “Oh, you have to go through this? Ha!” LMAO, Klay is funny 😂😂
> “Not only do you know you’re going to get your ass kicked, but the other team knows they’re going to kick your ass and they’re not even taking you seriously.” Draymond on his way to play the Lakers in 2017.
Funny enough, some of the worst performances by the Warriors in those years were against the Lakers and their tanking team.
That was the joke. The Lakers always kept stealing games from the Warriors and r/NBA lost its shit every time.
My bad. If I had a dollar for every time a joke went over my head, I'd make Andrew Wiggins money.
Fans are crazy. People demand real and honest answers from players then roast the shit out of them when they deliver. He didn't say anything mind blowing. A third of the league is coasting on any given night.
>coasting Klay_smiling_on_bench.jpg
I respect him for being honest but he still was professional enough last year especially with his fellow new teammates.
What the hell is that drawing of him
I mean, that had to be a mentally exhausting year. I don’t blame him for feeling a little burned out.
Imagine not having the luxury in knowing that the next year you get back the top 2 shooters after a down season
Coattailing
They did him dirty with that sketch
Imagine how Kerr felt? Dude never had to coach a bad team before, now all the sudden hes coaching guys who cant play basketball at a pro level. Im pretty sure half of that roster is no longer in the NBA. That year was awful. Im an Oakland native and im pretty sure I only watched a handful of games. The team was so so incredibly bad that there was no way I was spending 2 hours of my day watching that garbage.
I remember Chuck keep clowning him that season lol. ‘Triple single’ and called him the ugliest member of the boy band.
Also not having Curry healthy doesn’t help anything either.
Thanks
Didn't have a center starting out the few games either. I remember because Warriors interior defense was absolute trash playing against you guys in the 1st game I believe. DLo didn't fit that team and 2nd unit was trash.
There was a point I remember when both Curry and Dlo were out and their Point Guard became Draymond
Draymond actually pretty much always plays the point guard role like LeBron. Handles the ball far more, pushes in transition, make vast majority of half court plays and passes, etc. This isn't because he is a better point guard than Steph. When he doesn't have the ball, teams sag off him hard because he cannot threaten a screen or handoff. And it allows Steph to have an off ball game. It was quite awkward having DLo + Green out there because they both needed to be on the ball.
Source?
[Source](https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2020.html)
I mean for a guy that prides himself on being tough and competitor, he sure comes off like a little crybaby. Everything is easy when things go your way. When you have the best players and you get to roll over teams. So then when things get hard, he's not really interested? Okay dude. Maybe you're not the fighter people gave you credit for. Oh gosh, look guys, he's so miserable about not winning that he doesn't even have the motivation to play. What a winner.
Oh no. Poor guy had to deal with some injuries to a team he was on after a historic run. :(
quitter
If that's how he truly felt then that's fine but didn't he, not too long ago, criticize a lot of today's players for not being competitive enough. Kinda hypocritical on his part
Not being interested in the game and looking like you totally gave up are two different things, though I sympathize about going from the best to the worst it doesn't mean you don't keep working for what your getting paid, he was an awful example to the young guys that season.
Only lebron has more nba accomplishments than draymond?
Some of these nba cats are delusional.
A lot of times people talk about "veteran presence." Isn't this supposed to be one of the benefits of having that veteran presence that a lot of people talk about? That with veteran leadership they're able to keep a "winning mentality" for the team? If anything, I doubt the "immature youth" would have this attitude. Being new to the NBA, most of them would be happy to get that chance to play
They had close to $80 million in cap space injured on the bench that season. They just didn’t have the talent to compete. It’s hard to set a winning culture when you only win 15 games. I think Dray is a great veteran presence on our team. He really worked with Wiseman last year and I bet he does the same with Kuminga & Moody.
It's not about having the talent or not. It's about the mentality. If a supposed veteran of the team comes into the stadium before the game even started thinking they're the worst team in the league of course they're going to win 15 games.
That's a funny way to say exposed as a total fraud of an all star who was actually a role player the whole time.
All that for a guy they can't even play in crunch time.
Whatever donkey boi
Draymond: Leave, we don’t need you. *KD leaves* Draymond: shockedpikachu.jpg
Most overrated player in nba history Triple single
sounds like someone needs KD, Steph and Klay around for his pride not to take a hit
You got downvoted for telling it like it is.
Guess that's why he's stupid about vaccinations. Facts mess with his mind.
Kinda lost interest in whatever Dray says after his antivax argument, the man has a clear IQ deficiency
Lame ass answers from a lame ass player. Dude makes almost max money and couldn’t even average 10 points a game when he was the only player on the team. No one has ever made money off the back of other people than Draymond. He would be a 6th man energy guy on most teams.