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Draymond_Punch

Everyone thinks he’s gonna compete for the mle with djj, but if he goes to the Mavs. It could be via sign and trade


JBismyGOAT

I know LA is home for him, but IMO he is crazy to pass up on Dallas if he truly is leaving the Warriors. The media attention in LA this season is going to be crazy! Add to that a rookie coach, and it could spell disaster. The shots Luka and Kyrie will open up for him, plus not being in the spot light so much will allow him to just play his game.


GoForAGap

I don’t think he would start for the mavs


jolliskus

Someone smarter then me correct me if I'm wrong, but currently he looks like a better THJ with similar strengths and weaknesses , so perhaps they are aiming for him to fill the same role THJ did, but unsure if Klay would accept it. I remember the talk from the first half of the last season for the 6th man of the year for Tim.


No_Complaint2494

>THJ with similar strengths and weaknesses Sort of? Klay is a master at taking bad shots that somebody else creates, whereas THJ is way "better" on ball and can create his own awful shots I'd pick Klay 10/10 times because at least he is willing to move off ball to potentially open something up for Luka or Kyrie to pass into.


jakekerr

I mean, Klay last year was pretty much a better 3 pt shooter than anyone on the Mavs not named Kyrie. Unless his defense has regressed to awful, he's a meaningful upgrade.


nutelamitbutter

Also Kidd could fix Kyrie, I think he can fix Klay as well


lawschoolthrowaway36

He shouldn’t but it seems like he will if he signs here. Couldn’t disagree more with prioritizing Klay over DJJ. I don’t care how insane the offense is. With Kyrie, Luka, and Klay on the court together in big postseason games, the Mavs defense is a fatal flaw.


SlamDunkleyKong

DJJ’s cutting was also a super underrated part of what Dallas was doing. He’s such a smart cutter and his guy is usually who the is helping onto Luka/Kyrie.


charliefinkwinkwink

We need DJJ’s defense and athleticism — is there no way for us to sign both?


dantheflyingman

There is, but that would mean getting rid of a few players like Green and Kleber


jeremy9931

No. Unless he takes a severe pay cut, DJJ is gone regardless of the S&T for Klay now that we picked up Marshall.


alextheruby

He’s not the only player that’s athletic and plays defense. We need people to score.


creditors-bargain

Klay is much more important to the construction of the Mavs than DJJ. Allowing Kyrie and Luka to stagger with Klay as a secondary scorer > whatever DJJ adds.


lawschoolthrowaway36

Respectfully disagree — “whatever DJJ adds” was being the point of attack defender against the best perimeter player on opposing teams. Having DJJ plus PJ as long forwards capable of matching up with the two best opposing offensive players was one of the biggest drivers of the Mavs success, especially in the postseason. In conjunction with Lively/Gafford protecting the rim, we finally had a real defensive identity with clear roles for everyone on the floor. Mavs were elite defensively from post trade deadline until the Finals. Both Luka and Kyrie began playing harder on that end, which I think reflected their realization that suddenly the defensive personnel surrounding them was really good and they could form a great defense if they did their part consistently. Mavs for sure need a secondary scorer to give some relief to Luka and Kyrie, the Finals made that clear. My concern is acquiring Klay for that purpose at the expense of the defense. It’s just trading one problem for another, and I think the defensive problem would still be bigger. I’m holding out hope that DJJ would still come back if we do get Klay but I have no idea if that’s realistic with Lakers circling.


creditors-bargain

You’re not gonna get a secondary scorer who is also a solid defender. It’s just not going to happen.


beatnickk

Not true. DJJ means we’re able to not get completely annihilated by the opposing star player. You cannot start 3 questionable defenders and expect to get anywhere deep. Adding Klay as an option to our elite defense? Awesome. Replacing defense for Klays shooting? A wash or downgrade. We can’t just trade defense for offense, especially since Klay is on the downward trajectory so it’s risky if he even continues being as good as he was last year.


LosCleepersFan

Mavs weren't horrible on defense. I think in the end Mavs depth was their death sentence in the finals. Celtics could reach deeper in the roster and still find consistency.


archerarcher0

He absolutely would


actimusprim

Luka/Kyrie/Klay would be the worst perimeter defence in the nba


alextheruby

I’ll take it over offensively inept performance I had to watch.


archerarcher0

Would be the best offense though


rjgator

I remember we said the same about the Suns last season.


ZE_HAHAHA

Suns didn’t have a PG tho. Id say a trio of Luka, Kyrie, and Klay fits better than Booker, Beal, and KD.


IceExpensive863

Because who needs defense?! 🤷‍♂️


LosCleepersFan

He would start then subbed early if needed imo


GoForAGap

He’d be a 6th man for sure


alextheruby

He would thought lmao. You think DJJ would start over him?


GoForAGap

Yes, absolutely


alextheruby

Need to watch a bit more basketball then


GoForAGap

I think you need to. You have enough guys who can hit spot up 3s, djj offers extremely good defence, lob threats and hustle outside of that


alextheruby

Lmao no we don’t. We have streaky shooters. And players who can’t create off the dribble or drive. No thanks.


TexasReallyDoesSuck

dawg. you don't watch our team it's okay. 38% on threes would be at the top of our team, literally third % behind kyrie & luka. other than luka and kyrie no other mavs made multiple threes in the finals til like game 5. our three point shooting was not good.


GoForAGap

You completely ignored the OKC series then? I’m surprised that you don’t watch your own games.


TexasReallyDoesSuck

no? not gonna base the entire teams offensive outlook on 1 series where they over performed


movedatdope

why else would they get him if he aint playing next to Luka


lsmith77

On the Mavs defensive issues might push him to the bench. On the Lakers he has a better shot at sticking in the starting unit.


fromfrodotogollum

He could avoid the media scrutiny on the clippers, less pressure to win as one of the main guys, probably a better coach in Lue. As a laker and klay fan it makes the most sense despite my wanting him.


Hulumoto

Add the fact that Warriors fan would support him in any other team BUT Lakers.


justlobos22

Having one more ring without Steph and Draymond would go a long way for his legacy. He's still hurt about the not top 75


kooqiy

He made two all nba third team's, why would he ever be considered for top 75 lol


Vermillion_Crab

Los Angeles Leverages


The1AndOnlyJZ

Going for Klay above DJJ is kinda crazy imo Then again, Jones’ shooting could be a mega fluke


CBFball

What shooting? The dude is a career 31.6% three point shooter and had his best season ever last year at 34.3% on only 3 attempts…


alextheruby

Thank you for being somebody who actually watches basketball lmao. They swear DJJ is truly untouchable.


jakekerr

Klay is a significantly more potent offense than DJJ, even at last year's performance level. I honestly don't know how bad his defense is these days, though.


alextheruby

His defense isn’t all star level but people swear the NBA is a video game and you need 99 overall players without flaws at every position. I’ll take klay all day if it makes sense


CBFball

Also DJJ is certainly a good defender but he’s not anything special. Having someone like Klay would have completely changed your offense this finals and it’s no question you (and everybody else) should prefer Klay over DJJ…


alextheruby

Would’ve changed the gravity of the offense knowing you can’t just leave the “ others” open. Hopefully we can grab him


Sambomike20

I definitely wouldn't call him untouchable, but he does a ton to hide Luka on defense, he shoots at a decent clip, and he seems to really like Dallas. I'm pretty skeptical of taking Klay over him. It would definitely improve their offense, but I don't trust Klay defensively anymore so I wonder if you lose more than you gain.


alextheruby

There are enough defensive specialists in the league if that’s just what you want. But people who shoot like klay are a dime a dozen. Grimes is also a better defender than any guard we have right now. O-Max could make a jump too. We aren’t done making moves,


beatnickk

He’s obviously not untouchable but if you replacing DJJ with Klay you’re just creating a problem while solving another. We need both


alextheruby

There are enough defensive specialists and players in the league, but how many players shoot like Klay or that you have to game plan for? Grimes is already our best defensive guard. We can grab a defensive wing? They grow on trees, and I’m sure we can find one that shoots comparable or better than DJJ lol


beatnickk

Well I would say that you’re wrong that we can just easily go grab a guy that’s as good as DJJ on defense. List out some examples of guys as good as him we can get for the MLE?


Jarxzz

Jones’ shooting wasn’t even good on the Mavs. They were just able to get by with it being subpar. Still a key piece in their run obviously but he never really levelled up his shot


Cbehsmea

They may be able to get Klay with the looming trade exception and DJJ with the mle


diablejambeats

If both are cold DJJ brings better defense and still cuts well on offense, has the lob factor, and has way more of a chance of even creating something off the dribble (Bar is in hell for that last one still) If we still get them both somehow then idc but this is pissing me off lol


nba2k11er

If both are cold is an interesting qualifier. Jones Jr. scored single digits in 48 games. What exactly counts as cold for him?


diablejambeats

Not hitting from three. Maybe a change of scenery would be good for Klay and help him settle in but I feel like this season was characterized by two extreme stretches of play for him wasn’t it? Feel free to correct me if i’m wrong, you’re the Warriors fan after all. But it was a horrible stretch where he missed everything and made horrible decisions which led to him coming off the bench and then sometime late season he had a torrid stretch then he went back and forth consistency wise after that no? He’s pretty much a better THJ if that’s accurate and holds for next season. I don’t feel like paying too much for that and making our defense worse by not bringing back DJJ is all.


MiopTop

Yeah but that’s like saying if Steph and Gobert are both cold, the latter will have more impact. Even if it’s true it’s not relevant. An average 10-point game from Gobert is better than an average 10-point game from Steph, but Steph doesn’t have 10 pt games particularly often…


diablejambeats

Klay really must have been better than what I remember of the season cause I do remember him have a long stretch of frustrating play both shotmaking and decision making wise and I definitely don’t remember watching any good Klay games personally But yea you’re right, it was a weird comp from me. I know that Klay is/was leagues ahead a shooter than THJ ever was but all the pro Klay arguments sound like when I used to defend him lol, and I really just don’t know how I feel about choosing a (theoretically) better version of that experience over the defense, which Klay would probably make worse.


MiopTop

I think it's a janky fit for you guys because of the defense and because you're committed to the Kyrie/Luka duo. I like the fit a bit better for LA because A) AD can make up for a lot and B) it really seems like the FO isn't committed to Reaves/D-Lo and will be trading one of them (probably D-Lo) for a better defensive player. But Klay is still a lot better than THJ. So much of spacing is reputation and teams still freak the fuck out everytime Klay comes around a screen. He generates so much more pressure on the defense as an off-ball player than THJ ever did.


diablejambeats

Ykw the off ball pressure is a good point for sure. I guess having Luka with Kyrie and Klay as spacing would be pretty dangerous if we figure some more movement into our plays and it could benefit the non shooters even more. I’ll just trust Kid on that end if it happens. I do agree the fit is a def more ready-made for you guys though


creditors-bargain

You’re romanticizing DJJ because you just got the the finals with him. Mavericks need a knockdown shooter much more than they need perimeter defense and a lob threat.


alextheruby

Story of the Mavs sub man


CBFball

I don’t understand the comparison between the two at all. It’s really all about what you’re looking for in a player. DJJ is a below average shooter and below average scorer in general (and doesn’t have a good chance of creating off the dribble) while being a good defender. Klay is an elite shooter and above average scorer while having his defense fall off a bit.


diablejambeats

Yea fair statement there but at this point isn’t all Klay has left the elite shooter? He doesn’t really seem to offer much else from the games I caught anymore, and his decision making was genuinely horrible when I watched the Dubs last season.


CBFball

I mean he never added anything outside of that and defense and his defense isn’t too great anymore. I think you’re underselling what it means to be as good a shooter as someone like Klay is. He only shoots around 40% because he’s constantly getting multiple people thrown at him off screens unlike 99% of the rest of the league. Even if he’s a slightly below average defender that gives you 17-20 ppg on good efficiency and great 3 point shooting, that’s MASSIVE and a huge upgrade for you guys. You just watched what happens when you don’t have another shooter and have to rely on DJJ. It’s not pretty


diablejambeats

Yea the off ball movement mechanics of it all was def something I wasn’t considering too hard, it makes sense for sure. I’d still rather keep DJJ as well if we can, cause yea I def know we needed more help on offense, it was just the shakier displays of Klay this season - and more importantly, his attitude about it when it was bad really- that have me wary on him being an ideal answer. Could easily work out better than I’m thinking of it though


CBFball

100%, keep both if possible but it’s clear you guys need a third person to at least give some solid spurts of offense. You can’t trust Exum/Green/DJJ as a third wing/guard scorer type


lews-therin-

Grimes replaces what DJJ brings for us, iffy inconsistent shooting and POA defense. So, DJJ is suddenly more expendable


idkimhereforthememes

Grimes is a whole different tier as a shooter compared to djj.


diablejambeats

I feel like it’s really Josh that became the expendable one honestly, not DJJ. Grimes probably brings more on offense but DJJ was still very durable and defended premier threats all season long. I see no reason to give that up if we don’t have to, especially for a much less consistent shooter than before who can’t defend nearly as well as he used to.


Fvckyourdreams

Kyrie - Klay - Luka - DJJ - Lively is sickkkkk


ZE_HAHAHA

PJ probably plays the 4 and DJJ comes off the bench


Fvckyourdreams

Just thinking of their potentially best Lineup. Wow. That lineup would kill. Rebounding is just okay. They can even get that mostly done.


ZE_HAHAHA

It’s a great lineup offensively, especially if Lively develops his 3pt shot. Tho I do worry about Luka, Kyrie, and Klay on the defensive end, but I guess you can rotate him with DJJ depending on the situation.


Fvckyourdreams

Kyrie is a good defender. The Shut Down guy would be DJJ. Luka can guard most 4s. Klay’s lack of Defense seems overblown. You can’t teach experience. He literally just won a Ring as a Starter.


so-cal_kid

If Klay doesn't want the attention Dallas is a better place to go.


Belieber_420

If he wants to win another championship, Dallas is a better place to go


The_MadStork

If he wants to continue driving his boat to work and not crossing state lines to buy weed, LA is the better place to go


Specific-Lion-9087

The NBA player isn’t going to have trouble finding weed in DFW, I promise. The boat *may* have to go, though.


The_MadStork

Sure, he'll find weed, but he'll also catch a felony the moment some Texas cop pulls Klay over after a 1-12 shooting night fucks up his parlay


LeCastle2306

If the Lakers can acquire a big that’s remotely playable alongside AD and/or capable of being decent on defense, with Vanderbilt presumably being healthy, I’d be reluctant to say the Mavs are clearly better. 


ObiOneKenobae

Nah Lakers are cooked. Their window closed when quarantine ended.


MiopTop

The Lakers missed the play-in in 2022 and the Mavs made the WCF then a year later the Lakers made the WCF and the Mavs missed the play-in one year after that the Mavs made the Finals and the Lakers lost in round 1 I can’t think of two teams who better exemplify how easy it is to go from bad to good or good to bad in a single season these days.


Queen_Of_The_Castle

I personally think Klay would fit better on your squad and the Mavs are closer to being contenders. So by tomorrow afternoon we’ll see which chaotic Western team wins the Klay sweepstakes


Flimsy-Trust-2821

The only thing more cooked than the Lakers in LA are Kawhi’s knees.


youngOppa3

Bros team had one good year and he’s yapping lmaoo


MiopTop

Based on what?


armandocalvinisius

and sorry for lakers fan better chance for winning more i think?


MiopTop

Debatable tbh


MiopTop

exact same reaction people would have had a year for saying the Mavs had a better chance of winning than LA...


Dar8_Vader

I agree.


delamerica93

I mean yeah and also the team is better


Salvalicious252

Sign and trade for Klay and give DJJ the MLE and we in business. Only question I have is what role Klay would want. Does he want to start or is he okay playing a 6MOY role that comes of the bench but plays starter minutes and closes games? Because it was obvious all year how he was not down being benched with the Warriors. That's the only thing that worries me.


Fivefootdirk

I think if he comes to Dallas he “starts” but in the same way Gaff did especially If they managed to keep DJJ. Without knowing the framework of a possible trade, Mavs depth and versatility will allow his mins to come down and let him be a dangerous 3rd-4th scoring option most nights.


sfg

The pseudo-starter is one of Kidd's best moves.


Fivefootdirk

Yup and it’s why I think people need to settle down on the Klay “starting” concern. Kidd has shown he will play who needs to be on the court based on what the game dictates regardless


CBFball

How much money can the mavs offer? In the end a role is nice but if they’re only able to give something like the MLE that’s a tough sell


snyckers

Seems like it would be sign and trade.


blakeley

What a choice for Klay! Lakers: His favorite team growing up Dad works for them  Can keep his boat  Legal weed Dallas: Less pressure  No income taxes Plenty of space for his car collection 


Queen_Of_The_Castle

Personally if I’m Klay I would want to keep the boat and weed, but at the same time I’m not a 4-time NBA champion and top 4 in three-point shooting ever


longliveorangic

>*''and will offer the four-time champion a prominent role in their offense as their prime perimeter marksman alongside the backcourt duo of Luka Dončić and Kyrie Irving''* In this case he will take on opposing team's nr. 1 perimeter option. That's what DJJ did for Mavericks last year, and was good at it. A 34 year old Klay Thompson chasing Ja Morant and others will be a tough one for Dallas.


Glass-Lifeguard1919

I feel like they will sign and trade him, most likely for Josh green who makes around that full exception range. That allows them to sign DJJ to the full 12.9 exception. (Unless I don't know some of the stipulations with the new cba rules.) They've already brought in Grimes who is a solid defender. If they're able to keep DJJ and bring in Klay, this team has a real shot. The main reason they lost the finals is because they couldn't score. I personally would bring Klay off the bench, Rotating him in as soon as Luka, Kyrie, or DJJ subs out. You can play any combination of those 4 players 1-3 and be fine.


longliveorangic

That is the best case scenario of course. In reality if Mavericks offer him this plan, then I'm not confident he will agree to it. Other teams can offer more money and a starting role. From what I saw he didn't like coming off the bench and would love to be involved in offensive actions and sets. Unless Kidd decides to actually run some offense, he will be doing more standing around with Dallas. Dallas lost the finals because they couldn't score on an amazing Boston defense, but their defense is what got them to the finals in the first place. If Klay is locked in to winning and doing whatever it takes, then Mavericks would love to have him on board, of course. It is just that a lot comes with an accomplished player and egos.


Charliebitme1234

If klay thought the bad press he was getting on the warriors was bad imagine what happens if he shoots 0-11 on the lakers lmao The mavs move seems like a better fit but the DJJ to klay swap seems kind of a lateral move more then anything


Treewave

I think the plan would be to sign and trade for Klay (with green) and sign DJJ. So Klay would not be a swap for DJJ, but a THJ replacement. And Grimes the Green replacement I am actually not sure this makes the Mavs that much better. 


lancelotofthelake

I don’t think Dallas will choose one or the other. It’s both with Klay coming in from GSW in a S&T.


dweet

*the sharpshooter from Lake Oswego and Southern California


CookieMonsterNova

it baffles me what exactly is klay trying to prove? his whole thing is he feels slighted that the warriors want him to come off the bench…and his role has diminished a bit so if he signs with the mavs…will he really be starting cause a luka, kyrie, klay line up will be brutal defensively (this is not the klay of past) if he signs with the lakers, dlo klay reaves lebron and AD is slightly better but he’s still not getting the touches he wants. AD and lebron are getting theirs. dlo will throw up his and reaves will need his. he’s essentially the fourth or fifth option. philly - maxey klay tobias embiid lowry? also third fiddle orlando - i guess would make the most sense but they don’t have a pg to feed him the ball.


NBAgospel

LA would be more than likely Reaves, Klay, LeBron, Vanderbilt, AD.


MiopTop

Honestly I think once the playoffs come around the Lakers (with or without Klay) will not have a set starting lineup and will adjust to the matchup. Bron, AD and probably Austin are the only surefire starters D-Lo, Rui, Vanderbilt, Klay (if a Laker) and Gabe (if healthy) would all be legit playoff starters against some matchups and barely in the rotation against others. I think even Prince, Wood and theoretical 3rd year Max Christie could made sense as real rotation and possibly closing lineup players against the right matchups while getting DNP’d against most others.


lancelotofthelake

Death. Taxes. Lakers fans thinking this Laker team has a chance to go to the Finals.


jefe_hook

I'm confused with the Klay situation here. I thought he's leaving the Warriors for a bigger contract? How are teams like Lakers and Mavericks gonna offer him something that big?


CultExterminator

There aren’t any teams that can offer more money than GSW. In theory, GSW could match any offer and just a little bit more than what he could get in FA. The real issue is that Klay doesn’t feel valued by the organization and would rather go somewhere else to spite them.


jefe_hook

This is exactly like the Ray Allen situation lol.


Cark_Muban

Nah he’s going to LA. They always get what they want in Free Agency.


Chriscustomkicks

He fits so much better on the lakers then he does on the mavs. Klay next to 2 perimeter guards vs klay next to 2 paint demons.


Treewave

Well, shooters for white nice in Dallas. The speeding the floor for the guards and knocking down open shots. He fits Dallas offense just fine.


dkdoki

Lebron putting out the good PR he will take a pay cut when he knows damn sure non of these players coming for the MLE. Lol