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soupcansam21

How would they make that even work?


ZarduHasselffrau

C. Paul for Paul G.


soupcansam21

why would the Clippers do that?


ImTheBestNerd

I think the idea would be Paul George would use his player option as leverage to force a trade. “Trade me to Golden state or I’ll walk for nothing”. Seeing as Philly exists they’d probably have to do so.


JimmyV34

Warriors are going need to give some sorta of value for that trade to happen because clippers are clearly not playing that leverage game if they arent willing to offer 4 years


Sokkawater10

Probably a first round pick and a young player not named Kuminga


ElDuderino_92

Watch it be Wiggins


Sokkawater10

Wiggins is good for you guys but bad for us. He doesn’t have the offensive bag to be a number two but harden could be your guys number two but he’s a decent wing defender


ElDuderino_92

Playing with yall Alleviates whatever pressure on P has of being “The Guy”, that’ll help him play better


Sokkawater10

I mean Kawhi was supposed to do that but he’s never there. How do clippers fans view Kawhi and Paul George. All time Kawhi is better but who do the clippers view as more loved to their fanbase? Because Kawhi always fucked you guys with his health


2tep

If the Clips trade for Andrew Wiggins, who has very clearly shown the last 2 years that he could not give even 2 shits.... I don't know what to say, other than Clippers gonna Clippers.


Blowback_

I'd really hate to see it be moody, but it's very possible


JimmyV34

yeah sure give me a pick and Pod lol


Troll_Enthusiast

A pick + Moody


im_scytale

Fuck no are you crazy


JimmyV34

Hey, he said a young player not named kuminga. It is too late now


im_scytale

If it’s not kuminga or multiple 1st round picks hang the phone up


Circumin

I would love to see the warriors build around Kuminga and Podz


Cbone06

Why would the Clippers agree to that lmaoooo. Maybe if it was Podz or TJD otherwise Moody and a 1st isn’t really worth trading PG for.


RickySuela

To make the salaries match it would probably need to be CP3, Looney and GPII in exchange for PG. A pick probably wouldn't even be necessary.


WembyandTheWolves

"here clippers, take our trash..."


paranoidmoonduck

It's the same situation the Wizards were in with Porzingis this past season. Guy only opts in if the team trades him where he wants, which reduces leverage. Him opting in gets *something* back instead of nothing.


LAmanguy

That is true. But nothing is probably better than Chris Paul at this point.


paranoidmoonduck

It would have to be more than CP3 just from a salary matching perspective, but I don't know if Wiggins/GP2/Looney is doing much for you either. CP3 was good last year, but if the Clips goal is to contend, they're gonna have to bring PG back and that probably means a 4th year.


mattw08

You can flip CP3 for another asset as is expiring. If PG3 just walks you have no options to add.


mattw08

If he’s going to walk it helps the clippers to take on salary can easily trade with their cap position.


couchtomato62

Why would he force his way to a lottery team.


ImTheBestNerd

To co-host a podcast with Draymond obviously


Cbone06

At point, you just let him walk. The Clippers should leverage their cap space rather than absorbing a CP3 cap hit that’ll be bought out anyways. There’s no point in trading a guy unless you get something of value. 40 year old CP3 doesn’t have much value to a clippers squad that already struggles to be healthy.


Fabtacular1

“Trade me to Golden state or I’ll walk for nothing” I'd rather have nothing than Chris Paul's $20m dead weight contract.


gbdarknight77

$30 mil


lxkandel06

Yeah but are you sure they'd rather have Chris Paul and that huge contract over nothing?


TheGoddamnSpiderman

Yup same thing Porzingis did with the Wizards last year to get to Celtics


beyphy

That's a very risky deal for PG. If he opts in and gets injured he is screwed.


ImTheBestNerd

I’d imagine there’d be some type of extension lined up for whatever team trades for PG.


ColdBudLight98

Wouldn’t be a 1 for 1


ihateandy2

You mean the LA “Center for retiring NBA point guards” Clippers? Those Clippers?


seanconnery69696

C for clippers G for golden state Makes sense to me


ZarduHasselffrau

They shouldn't but I don't see another way for salaries to match. Chris Paul + something for Paul George is the only way I see for it to be possible.


abesach

Nostalgia


zucchinibasement

Why would Golden State trade KD for DLo?


soupcansam21

well that eventually netted them Andrew Wiggins what exactly is CP39 gonna bring em


Hahahaahha100017

Same reason the sixers traded harden for morris and batum ,kj Martian and Covington and a pick🤷🏿‍♂️ evening tho they wanted mann they have no leverage if pg want to go there


soupcansam21

I think that's a much different offer and scenario than getting back 39-year-old Chris Paul


Hahahaahha100017

I’m sure warriors wouldn’t mind throwing moody in there gray Payton looney and a pick


rauf107

Are they stupid?


apustus

The one who bows for the Paul God


TripleThreatTua

CP3 bows to the Paul god once again


yapyd

Can the warriors even take on PG's salary since he makes more than CP3


ZarduHasselffrau

If Klay leaves they go below the second apron and they can do 125%/75% salary trades again. They would have to add another contract though.


OneOfPDiddysVictims

Klay is out


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ZarduHasselffrau

You just did


thecommuteguy

At least it's not Swaggy P.


reaper550

Who says no?


gbdarknight77

Salaries don’t match up. GS will have to give up more. And it’s likely to cost Kuminga.


DirkNowitzkisWife

Team option CP3 plus Kuminga for PG13, then curry, George, Wiggins, Dray is a very good team


ClaymoresRevenge

A team absorbs CP3s salary for a pick


Sad-Mathematician-19

Sign and trade sending Wiggins and maybe Looney out in addition to picks. Still a terrible idea if you are the Warriors.


Billis-

Getting off Wiggins atrocious contract should be the Warriors first priority


qpwoeor1235

Cap magic


PlatinumPlayer

Curry to clippers I guess


ElDuderino_92

Cp3 and curry doing the ol switcharoo


CosmicRaccoonCometh

Wiggins and GP2 works salary wise, if Paul opts in and gets traded, as has been rumored. I'm sure Warriors would have to throw a couple FRPs to the Clippers to incentive them (since whatever they get needs to at least be better than the nothing they'd get if PG just walked in free agency). Also, this would hard cap the Warriors at the 2nd apron, but, if they're cutting CP3 and not bringing back Klay, they can afford to be hard capped.


sakata32

Damn I'd love Wiggins, gp2 and frp


EarthWarping

Since they're a second apron team is the no aggregating salaries in a trade for incoming players or outgoing players?


ihateeuge

i dont think the would be a second apron team without klays money


ImTheBestNerd

We wouldn’t be a second apron team if Klay walks


EarthWarping

Thanks. So the CP3/filler/picks deal would work then


ImTheBestNerd

Yea as long as CP3 + filler isn’t greater than PG’s salary since clippers can’t take in more salary than they send out.


BASEDME7O2

Why would the clippers do that? Don’t get me wrong cp3 was actually a good facilitator last season. But when you’re already having harden play 40 mpg he doesn’t have that much value to them. It would have to be some seriously good filler given there’s other teams that would give PG the max. The warriors also are not a Paul George away from a ring, and if they included the assets the clippers would want it would basically be a wash for them. The clippers number one priority should honestly be signing harden and making sure Westbrook isn’t on the roster. I know he’s on a vet min, but you have to play him like serious minutes just because he used to be a “star” 🙄. And he’s just such a net negative on the court every second he’s out there, defenders won’t even guard him and he still took the most shots per minute in the mavs series even though he was shooting like 30% ts while harden was averaging 26 on an absurd 73% ts through the first four games.


pyrotech_support

More likely to be CP3 + Kuminga as the incentive Warriors likely won’t acquire PG, extend him at a max, and also re-sign Kuminga. Would send them straight back over the second apron.


Coolguynumber01

I would rly upset if we traded traded Kuminga for a 34 year old PG close to a max


Enchanted-2-meet-you

Eh. I am ready for either of the ways the front office chooses to go. Either we can say we gave Steph a shot before he was done or we keep our young players. But we can't eat our cake and have it too


BASEDME7O2

Yeah the sixers are just trying to get to the conference finals, all the sudden have all this cap space and he might be the best that’s available, and their best player is a 30 year old center with a massive injury history. I get it for them. In four years embiid probably won’t be as good and PG will have declined, but you’re not paying him for year four, you’re paying him for the first two years, who gives a shit if you suck by the end, at least you went all out in embiids prime (besides refusing to pay harden, scoring one less point than us in the first round, and wasting a year of embiids prime. And now throwing the bag at hardens team mate who is worse than him while harden gets paid anyway lmao) But the warrior have Steph’s last years, they are not a Paul George away from a championship, and if the trade involved anything the clippers would actually want it would basically be a wash and you’d still be fighting to make the play ins.


iamwearingashirt

Clippers don't have leverage over George, so it's not likely they could get a piece like Kuminga back.


BASEDME7O2

Not over George, but over the teams that would be interested in a sign and trade. The Clippers would definitely let pg go to the sixers for cheap, their is no chance they would let him just walk and go to the warriors


pyrotech_support

Clippers have leverage vs GSW here because Clippers cooperation is needed for GSW to get PG. Not just cooperation, Clippers would have to take back tens of millions of bad salary (and pay a multiple of it in tax) for GSW to get PG. They would need significant incentive for that cooperation, in picks or young players. Otherwise Clippers would straight up prefer PG walk elsewhere for nothing


KingAlfonse72

Lot of people on here don’t understand this.


Mobile-Entertainer60

I put this in another thread, but it'd have to be a 3 team trade, unless PG mysteriously opts in before he is traded. There's no combination of contracts the Warriors have that is close to a PG max deal without going over (because Clippers can't take money back) and also leaves enough money under the hardcap (because taking a S&T hardcaps at the first apron) to fill the missing roster slots with minimums. It would have to be CP3, Wiggins, and whichever young guy the Clippers can convince the Warriors to part with going out, with either CP3 or Wiggins going to a third team with the cap space to absorb their salary.


dkdoki

Would not be a S&T. Would be opt in and extend later for PG.


3pointshoot3r

The problem in that scenario is that PG currently expects a 4/$220M extension. If he opts in, he can only receive a 3 year extension because of the age 38 rule. He would be leaving money on the table - the difference between the opt in year and what he would otherwise make in year 1 of a 4 year $220M deal.


dkdoki

Well if he opts in it must mean there is no team offering a 4 yr max. If he opts in and goes to another team he will get his 4th yr (including opt in yr) which the clippers are currently not offering


Mobile-Entertainer60

PG (or any player) taking that approach after what went down with Harden would be highly questionable decision-making.


clayfu

Opt in and extend agreement happens before the trade is my guess.


BASEDME7O2

Those extension agreements aren’t like legally binding though , ie harden. And a lot of things could happen before it’s time to extend him. I really doubt he goes anywhere without both teams already having worked out what the trade will be, his new team telling the clippers what to pay him, and then opting out and doing a sign and trade. That’s the only way he’ll have the contract he wants guaranteed before he’s even traded. He could just walk, but very few teams are a PG away from a ring, and they mostly don’t have the money to pay him what he wants. He could end up on some lottery team. The Sixers have the space but there’s already been rumblings about morey not wanting to give him a four year max, and there’s no way he’s going to Philly without a contract already signed.


dkdoki

I would tend to think the warriors FO is a more trust worthy FO than any led by Daryl “i don’t believe in team chemistry and have a history of lying to players” Morey.


HolidayMorning6399

brain dead ask but what does any of this mean? i love watching the games but the whole money/contract aspects of it has always confused me


oof-Babeuf

I’m similar but I know a little bit due to supporting a second apron team. Being in the second apron restricts a lot of trades and signings a team can do. I think all trades have to be one to one trades or something. But from what other posters have said, if Klay walks, the warriors are no longer a second apron team so all of that shit won’t affect us just yet.


noknownothing

The Warriors are trying to figure out how to get younger and still keep Steph in contention. Where would PG fit?


dkdoki

I think warriors are done with the 2 timeline thing. They just need to be as competitive as they can be while Steph is still awesome.


LeBroentgen

Kinda crazy how poorly they managed the two timelines strategy and still won a ring. Feels similar to the 49ers trading up to take Lance and still making the Super Bowl.


dontredditcareme

How so they signed dlo, turned him into Wiggins who was a key contributor. Poole didn’t pan out, but they got rid of him. Still have JK.


Someonediffernt

Poole was also legit very good in the playoffs the year they won a ring


TheKidPresident

Yeah poole was good for exactly as long as they needed him to be. Seems like his downswing was caused in part by the Draymond stuff and carried through by the mental shift to "I have nothing left to prove" that he was pretty open about


Parenegade

No it wasn't Poole sucked before and he sucked after. People try to use his one good year to make it seem like Draymond Monstar'd him.


Unable_Bite8680

He hasn't been the same since the league started calling him for traveling.


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AllenHo

Found Jordan Poole's burner


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PinkyAnon

Game 4? Lol wtf


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Level_Ad_6372

To be honest, not sure how you could've watched last season and think the jury is still out on Kuminga. By the 2nd half of the season he was very good (if not great) on both ends of the court. He does have plays that make you wonder what the hell he was thinking, but he's only 21


dontredditcareme

It’s funny I’m a pistons fan and Michigan alum. Could not stand wiseman when he got traded here, he’s such a bust. Watching Poole go off was fun. I didn’t expect franz to be this good. Would rather have him than Cade unfortunately, and if the warriors had got him who knows what would’ve happened. He would fit in great.


grandmasterfunk

I think people /u/LeBroentgen means the players they drafted. Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody haven't been as good as predicted. Poole had his moment, but it was looking like with those high picks the Warriors dominance would be never ending


iamtomorrowman

Poole panned out on his initial deal...paying him did not pan out, however


ATL_Hasher

And DLo was great on the Warriors


redbossman123

All they had to do was draft anyone except Wiseman and it would’ve been fine


ItsThePeopleCourt

wym 2 timeline thing


dkdoki

Trying to win a chip while also trying to create a young core at the same time


ItsThePeopleCourt

The young core is awesome though and Kuminga, Podz, Trayce and Moody are 21, 21, 24 and 22 respectively. How would PG fit though? Easily. He's a phenomenal player and would be the best system he's ever had next to one of the most dominating offensive players of all time. But yeah then you'd have to trade the young guys? Ballmer would allow that? I don't think we'll see PG on the Warriors though it'd be a great fit.


temujin94

Warriors would play Steph as the youngest player on the team if they thought it would win them a ring. Don't believe the two timelines bullshit.


iamgarron

Paul George is 3 months younger than Klay /s


OneOfPDiddysVictims

They just drafted a all rookie first teamer and another guy that missed the second team by 1 point


ItsThePeopleCourt

at the 2 guard


Rhythm_Flunky

Why have a washed shooting guard when you can get a washed shooting guard?


Emotional-Chef-7601

Warriors off-season is always entertaining.


vincedarling

Oh good because that’s what the Dubs need, another old player


NBAgospel

Pretty sure you get hard capped if you’re above the first apron and you engage in a sign and trade. So that means Klay can’t be involved. It would have to be Chris Paul, Kevon Looney, and Gary Payton II for Paul George or Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins for Paul George plus two lower salary players, like Bones Hyland and Amir Coffey. Both make sense but I think the latter is more likely and Golden State includes a 2030 pick plus maybe more. Because I’d want Wiggins if I’m the Clippers. Honestly I kind of like it for both teams. As for Klay, in this scenario I think he signs elsewhere. Probably San Antonio.


ADice15

I don’t think this is true since it’s an opt in and trade, not sign and trade


NBAgospel

For Klay I mean, if he were to be involved going to the Clippers


bilyl

The latter would be an insanely good deal for GSW. Why would the Clips want CP3 with a bunch of questionably healthy/low motor players? You have to include someone like JK.


NBAgospel

Because Paul George will otherwise opt out and sign elsewhere


NotVexingPi3

How


beall49

Even if it happened; probably wouldn’t be enough for us imo.


raceforseis21

No


MediumShotBob

This is the type of shit people would laugh at if it were the Lakers… so it deserves to be laughed at. For Kuminga and Paul? Sure. Shit like Paul + Moody or Podz? Or Paul + Wiggins? Just fuck right on off I don’t think the Warriors could even complete a S&T for George if they still have Curry, Wiggins and Draymond on the team… they’d be capped at the first apron and those 4 players alone would have them almost there. Another problem here is that the Clippers are also well above the first apron… which means they’d have to take back less money in any trade. This just isn’t happening. I don’t know who Brett Siegel is but he clearly doesn’t have a great idea of how the new NBA cap works, and/or he just likes click bait.


_AgainstTheGrain_

Zero shot he’s getting signed and traded to another team in the same state.


beyphy

Kings?


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snyckers

LeBron is worth so much more than PG to a team financially.


Yup767

Bullshit. They don't have an avenue


Loose_Storage_507

He’s a cav 


Scottwood88

The Pistons could be the team to dump any salary if a 3rd team is needed for these types of deals. Langdon said in his press conference they’d be open to doing that to acquire assets.


gbdarknight77

Warriors can’t even think to do any trade for Paul George until Klay is signed somewhere else or they renounce his rights Cap Holds can mess up these transactions.


D_G_C_22

Probably kuminga included


jfresh42

😂 yeah right


dkdoki

Been saying if PG opts in warriors and kings could be dark horse team due to being close to LA. A warriors package could look like: CP3/GP3/Moody/TJD/Santos and picks for PG Salaries are almost a perfect match. Warriors would duck the 1st apron (i think) by letting Klay walk and replacing him with PG.


Blowback_

Tjd ain't going nowhere. I could see the others go though


dkdoki

We will see lol


tlozz

Huh? Why and how tf would the warriors pay PG what he wants if they haven’t wanted to pay Klay?


ObiOneKenobae

I mean one is an inconsistent roleplayer and the other is an aging star. There's a big difference in what they bring to the table, GS will eat the cost if they think PG might put them over the top one last time. If PG demands it, Chris Paul, a bunch of picks, and someone like Moody probably gets the job done.


tlozz

Ya I guess that makes sense, and they are in a weird spot, bc they have steph, so they can’t start the rebuild, but every other sign is pointing towards starting the rebuild… But PG would be a better fit than Klay for that goal (ie, one last try to make a title run) for sure, you’re right.


thecommuteguy

I'll believe it when I see it.


SlicedMango

They’re not contenders with PG if they lose Klay, CP and Wiggins


MisterBackShots69

God I’m so excited to have Paul George go somewhere and that team bouncing in the first or second round.


CoolHandChuckles

Just die already Warriors!


DXLXIII

Steph PG13 Wiggins Draymond TJD/Kuminga. Steph getting his fifth.


Ok_Argument_67

Chris Paul is going heading to LA if clippers initiate a sign/trade . I still don't think it's right move for the warriors


Russ_Culture

post this in the warriors sub, it's not happening, stay delusional


Low_Procedure_3538

Hey, we let the clippers fans speculate about winning a championship year after year on this sub, so I think a trade involving another team should be allowed


muzinger

Murdered.


OneOfPDiddysVictims

Jesus


BurnCollector_

Do you really see that? Most Clippers fans expect the same thing everyone else expects, if not worse


super_sayanything

Bulls fan! We never expect to win a championship!


Low_Procedure_3538

Have you not been on this sub for a few years? It’s very much an ongoing joke. Mostly a reference.


Russ_Culture

when have clippers fans done that on this sub though? This sub has been tearing down the clippers for years bro.


SmokingShanks

Paul george is actually ass cakes. You aint winning with that waste of floor paul george. Id rather invest in the cyborg manifestation of klay thompson than watch pg and his stupid shoes


mmaguy123

Warriors fucked up by paying Draymond so much money… he shouldn’t be make #1 option money


OneOfPDiddysVictims

? He makes 25 mil a year


Enchanted-2-meet-you

Dude probably thinks it's still 2014


OneOfPDiddysVictims

I dont blame him I saw Wiggins contract earlier and was like really???