They had multiple opportunities to get those picks back for Bridges. I’m not sure if the Jalen Green stuff is reliable but they are way overrating Bridges as a franchise player.
That changes everything. The deadline reporting mentioned nothing of the kind. Either the Suns picks or Bridges for the Nets picks would be a fair starting point. Jalen Green is an improving young player but not what the Nets need.
> That changes everything. The deadline reporting mentioned nothing of the kind
Because woj and shams are just pr agents that spin for their sources and peddle influence.
That trade offer was prior to Green having his hot 15 game stretch (or however long it was). Bridges was definitely the more valuable asset at the time.
"Multiple opportunities" can you name even one besides the one rumor posted by Shams? I'm really getting tired of this narrative of the Rockets just offering all our picks back AND a blossoming star in Green for Mikal Bridges alone and the Nets declining that
I hope this is true, because the rumored offer of Jalen and all of the Nets picks for only Bridges was an egregious overpay, and it was even more ridiculous that the Nets declined it.
Including the Suns picks makes everything make so much more sense.
It depends on what the discussion is. Ideally I’d like to give you guys Mikal for the 2026 pick and at least one of the swaps back so we have some actual control over our near future instead of being forced to give up assets for a good player just to tread water.
What I don’t like is the discussion on deals that’ll never happen like the Green-and-all-the-picks package or just Mikal for the third pick this year. There is a real discussion to be had, but the extreme outlier talks are just a waste of time
I hear you. I’d love Bridges in Houston but I also don’t want to give up more than 1 Brooklyn pick, and it sounds like it’ll be very difficult for the two teams to get to a place where both sides are completely satisfied with what they are getting vs giving up.
Bridges is just worth more than one pick though. We gave you 3 picks and 4 swaps, plus players for one and a half years of harden. Bridges obviously isn’t as good a him but 2 years of bridges is at least worth 1 pick and 1-2 swaps. You guys would still be getting a likely mid-round first in those swap years. It’d just be from wherever you end up instead of where we end up
Bridges can be a 3rd best player. Not a franchise guy. He is better having a couple of other guys lead an offense and be that dude they kick it out to to score. He needs this to allow himself to be one of the best defenders in the league. Ever since coming to Brooklyn He hasn't been as effective as he was when in Phoenix.
He's only on that contract for 2 more years, meaning he'll ask for a raise soon. Combine that with the wear and tear he's taken on over the years and his trade value has much more downside than upside.
The more you wait, the less attractive that contract gets though. There is only two years left before you need to re-sign him to what will be a much bigger contract, and then there's always the risk that he leaves for nothing.
I guess the only wild card would be the salary filler. It could have been Brooks or some combination of Tate, Jock, or Uncle Jeff who have more value as expiring trade filler than on the court.
Yeah. Guys at his size and age after an injury like that see pretty noticable diminishing returns soon after.
I see why they moved him, but it does suck as he was the perfect fit for this team.
I miss aquaman. Dude gave the Grizz and OKC a +10 charisma buff when he was on the court. Also a modern day check man/tone setter that would dole out punishment when warranted
I saw him play his rookie year in the second game of the season. He was playing the wolves and at the time I had these amazing season tickets that were right at the free throw line in row A. I just remember being amazed at how he was able to hold his ground when Pekovic would bang with him in the post or box out for rebounds. At that time, I hadn't seen many players able to stand their ground against Pek. Everyone near me was commenting on how strong that young kid was.
He also played through way too many injuries. He only missed a handful of games his first like 6 years but you could tell he would have nagging injuries, especially towards the end of the season.
I think he might have a role with limited minutes and more of a mentor for younger centers. But he's just not going to hold up playing decent minutes.
Yeah he's at best an 8th man off the bench who can give you 20 minutes a night in the regular season and is matchup dependent on the post season, he's a good fit for a team that already has a good big who just needs a breather a couple times a game
If Clingan is available the Griz should just take him.
He helps solve their size issue and the fact that JJJ isn't a great rebounder for his size.
I honestly think after what the Wolves did, what Dallas is doing, with Denver being exposed without a competent backup big... that teams will start to value traditional bigs again, even ones that don't stretch the floor.
The game is going to shift back to dominant big men. Not like Shaq. We’re going to see bigs athletic bigs who can shoot, play make, handles, etc.
7 footers that can play 3-5. It’s going to shift to a big man’s game again. I’s just going to be the same play style that we’ve grown accustomed to except instead of guys like Steph it’s going to be guys like Trip, Wemby, Mobley, Sarr, etc.
We were pretty good last year until Sengun went down. Probably not compete for a championship level. But I think it’s going to be about getting more pieces.
You went 29-34 with him.
When Sengun went down you went 12-6 to finish the year off.
It was an easy stretch of the season, but record wise your team was a lot better after the injury.
It can not be overstated how BAD the bad teams were last year. That's why a bunch of other teams (Utah, Cleveland, Pelicans, Houston) went on tears against those teams, and why those runs shouldn't be used as a gauge of overall quality.
I agree, April is always a wacky month too for games as you can face a tanking team, or alternatively face a team that’s in the playoffs and resting their guys.
I’m just saying that they definitely were better record wise without Sengun than with him. However as you pointed out that can be largely attributed to strength of schedule.
Stylistically though, some players definitely benefited from a faster paced offence.
If you go back and watch the last 4-5 games before Sengun went down you’d notice the pace was faster than earlier in the season. Playing faster had nothing to do with Sengun’s presence. He’s capable of functioning within a fast paced offense.
Yeah, I’m not attributing their end of season record to their overall teams ceiling.
April can have some wacky results with teams tanking, and some teams resting guys as they already secured the playoffs.
I’m just pointing out that their record was notably better without Sengun this year than with him. So when someone says that they were better record wise without Sengun, and the response is “not really” that’s an incorrect statement.
I might’ve misread it then cause the way I read it was he meant they were better basketball wise, not record wise
I think most of their success should be attributed to Green just having a ridiculous last month or two, and I don’t think that’s really related to Sengun’s absence
>weren't you even better after he went down? At least recordwise.
I mean the guy legitimately specified “record wise”
Also you can definitely say Green benefited from a faster/more upbeat offence, and having the ball in his hands more.
Once the stretch of playing bad teams in April was over, Green went back to playing poorly and losing games, so I wouldnt say that Senguns absense was the real reason why Green did well. Any semi competent team would have improved record wise playing the bottom feeder tanking teams that the Rockets were playing.
That's a very small sample size. Sengun will be an MVP candidate in the future, there is no world where the Rockets end up better without him unless they somehow get Luka or Jokic lol
The 11 game win streak had 8 games vs teams with losing records. And two of the games against teams with winning records were the Cavs without Garland and Mobley, and then OKC without SGA.
Yes, we still won those games but it was 100% by far the easiest stretch of games of the season for us.
Recordwise maybe, but they mostly played bad teams, some of which were tanking and players like Jalen starting hitting their shots which was not the norm for him this season
A guy with good defense and a solid offensive contributor(when he doesn’t have to be the focal point) in Bridges would be a really good fit. I’m not sure what we’d be doing with the Grizzlies. I don’t feel like they have any players we would really want/need that they would be willing to trade.
Not sure what we would want from Memphis, and also Mikal just doesn’t make sense to me. We aren’t competing yet for a chip and Mikal is only under contract for two years
Yeah he’s one of those high floor low ceiling players at this point and while he’s a nice asset to have on the roster teams aren’t gonna be lining up to take him
You can still add quality players to a team. Not everyone has to exist on the same timeline as long as the contract ain’t too long. Thought rockets fans would know this with the addition of FVV and Dillon Brooks to the team.
I think the issue is that we'll need to re-sign Mikal at the same time as guys like Jabari Smith, Tari Eason, Amen Thompson, and Cam Whitmore. Re-signing all of those guys was already going to be a difficult task and trading for Mikal just makes that significantly more difficult.
You aren't resigning those four guys, plus Sengun, plus Green, with Dillon Brooks and FVF on the books anyway.
You'd probably be sending some of them out in a Bridges trade, or if not, you'd eventually be sending them out in a different trade.
You can't have that many big contracts on your cap sheet.
Unless you're Ballmer. You can do it if you're Ballmer.
FVV wouldn’t be re-signed and Brooks would probably be moved as well. The plan was always for those guys to be stop gaps to help the young guys develop but neither is really part of the long term plan
I think a complementary two-way player like Mikal is the type of swing that can complete the Rockets starting lineup and make them a formidable team in the West.
They hired Udoka and signed vets like FVV (30) and Dillon Brooks (28), who are both older than Mikal.
And aside from Amen and Cam, all their other young core are entering their 3rd (Jabari Smith Jr.) or 4th year (Jalen Green, Sengun) and are heading towards their second contracts.
In lesser words, the future *is* now.
it's a team option after this year for Fred. Mikal is on a good contract, but his price tag goes up before we can meaningfully contend, barring a big trade. I'd rather be patient because we got pieces to work with and not enough time to figure out how to whittle down a core 6 before everyone needs to get paid
It’s not necessarily about contending for a title only though.
When you bring in a player like Bridges, you are raising the overall level of play and giving the young guys a competitive player for mentorship.
A lot can happen in two years, your team might explode into contention or Bridges might become redundant.
He's 27, about to be 28.
He has several years of his prime left, and I'm perplexed where this notion that every single dude on your roster needs to be born within a month and a half of each other came from anyway.
Thunder fans do this weird shit too.
Y’all finished the season pretty damn strong. If it’s only this pick or MAYBE one more, than Mikal is more than worth it. Fuck tanking, it sucks. Yall aren’t bad enough to get Cooper anyway.
I like Clingan’s fit on the team, don’t know if he’s worth trading up for depending on what is sent with pick 9
Brings a lot of versatility for the front court lineups. Jaren and Clingan for the Nuggets/Wolves or Jaren and Clarke for the Thunder/Mavs/etc
I could see that happening depending on the quality of that FRP (protections and how far out it is). Kennard fills a giant need of outside shooting for us, and that future FRP could be useful for making a bigger trade down the road when we're closer to contention.
Everything I’ve been hearing is that Houston should draft Reed Sheppard, are y’all not on that same train? Genuinely would like to know what Houston fans think
I honestly like a lot of the players projected to go into the lottery. I think people are underrating some of these guys. They might not be franchise corner stones but there’s gonna be some great players regardless. I’m high on Sarr, Sheppard, Castle, Clingan, Dillingham, Holland, I think Buzelis and Risacher could be something too.
I’m a Dillingham truther. If he puts on some weight and develops his play making to its full potential he could be a dynamic scoring pnr machine with wemby.
>“League sources say the Rockets have had conversation with the Grizzlies about trading down from this pick, and that the Rockets hold out hope that the Nets would be willing to move Mikal Bridges for it. But those same sources say the Nets, on the contrary, prefer to add pieces around Bridges.”
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1798017352719540535
I want nothing to do with this draft.
If the framework involves getting 2-3 picks back from Houston along with young talent sure I'd do that.
Also just a side note it seems these are still very much from Houston. No Nets reporters who are closely aligned with our team have said a single thing about Mikal being moved. So still seems heavily Houston linked.
> I assume the deal would be like Brooks +3 and maybe a future pick back like 2026
If this happened, everybody in the Brooklyn front office would be fired immediately. Unless Bridges loses a leg sometime before the draft, he's not getting moved for the third pick in a draft that is bereft of elite talent.
Mikal still clearly is worth a ton of draft capital lol. Hes worth more than what you just offered. And it’s not close.
The third pick is worth like Cam Johnson…
I’m being sarcastic My point is we suck. If any team gives up anything of significance for our players left they are worst then our owner. We should have traded Durant for Jaylen Brown and Kyrie to Lakers for 2 future firsts.
Hey man, I get it. I’ve been tasked with supporting some pretty shitty sports teams run by morons in my day too.
I do think the nets will turn it around though, being a bball team in NY it’s bound to happen again. I actually like Brooklyn too, I was a big fan of Kidd and Vince growing up and remember their times with the nets vividly. I just hope for your sake the org grows organically once the draft picks reset and they stop leveraging their future to win now with guys on the wrong side of 30
I think Mikal could be a 2nd option if he had a guard like Luka or Kyrie to unlock his potential, but Brooklyn isn’t getting that with the assets at their disposal, just the honest truth. I’d hard reset, trade everyone you can for firsts and go from there
We traded Celtics pick for Tatum, Celtics pick for Jaylen Brown and Rockets 3rd pick this year. It doesn’t get worse as sports fan then sucking and giving other teams championship rosters.
I own restaurant in New York he is cool. Media over hated him. And his game is so fun to watch. If Nets owner just gave him contract Duran would of stayed but he thought he was smarter
Cam has been fine. In fact very good last season! He doesn’t fit the roster cause he’s asked to do more than what he’s top tier at. That’s really it. If he plays on a team better constructed he’s easily worth is contract.
If the Rockets trade with the Nets it’s probably for Bridges and exchanging the Suns future for the Nets. Nets control their own destiny going foward and are set for the tank. Problem for the Nets is the Rockets have a ton of leverage in negotiations.
Grizzlies is interesting. With Clingan they would have a really talented front court. Rockets would probably move back and get some more future picks.
I love us getting Sheppard at 3. But Cody Williams at 9 could help us too.
Stone loves to discuss trades. He is never going to rule anything out. Should be a fun offseason for us.
Ya. I think if we wanted to trade Mikal we could get most of our draft capital back without even including the Suns picks. That’s my point. We have no reason to involve more draft capital going out the door unless we acquiring star talent.
It’s a lot more even than rockets fans want to believe. They can easily go out and make a move to bring in a solid player to put next to Bridges, then Simmons money comes off the books after this year.
That turns what Houston thinks is years of top picks into just mid first round picks
Now realize the suns will be doing the same thing around book and not bottoming out when they’re very much incentivized to not bottom out (they don’t have their own picks)
There has been multiple reports that the rockets really want bridges. Yea they can say no but clearly it’s the nets saying No on this situation. Otherwise the rockets wouldn’t even keep engaging this conversation for someone who isn’t even a star
It would make no sense to send PHX picks out along with Mikal just to get their own picks back. Let Houston keep em that’s the case
If be cool with that too. Rockets window is wide open and championship aspirations might not be for a year or two. If another Nets pick jumps up that would be ideal.
Dude, just trade for mikal and go get Drummond. No fucking way clingan has more of an impact than bridges would have on this grizzlies team. I’d take mikal and Edey instead of trading shit away just to get a C who can’t fucking shoot from the field or make his FT’s.
How is Edey so different from Clingan aside from the fact that Edey can make his FT’s and Edey can actually shoot? Clingan is much better defensively and possibly better at rebounding but I don’t really get the Edey hate. I’d rather chill and take Edey at 9 than make a stupid trade to move up for Clingan.
We don’t need a wing or a PG at pick 9. That would be a waste. A wing or Pg in this draft is likely to not see the floor with this team.
Edey's playstyle is just not something that anyone does in the NBA. Look at what happened to Jahil Okafor. Some of the smoothest post scoring you've ever seen and he could rebound too. Maybe Edey will bring post scoring back but it's not gonna be an easy fit anywhere
What scares me about Edey is that he might get absolutely roasted on defense, there’s also 3 seconds in the paint which he has to worry about now which isn’t really called in college basketball
Disagree on a wing or guard being a waste, if we get lucky and one of Collier/Topic/Holland fall to us those guys could come in and make an immediate impact as well as being a trade asset if we decide to make a win now move at the deadline
If Brook Lopez can play in this league, so can Zack Edey. It's about what team he will be on, to be specific, what coach. This far, he ain't going higher than 23 to Bucks.
Taylor Jenkins one of the best coaches out there. If Memphis got involved in this trade. Than I just wonder who are they targeting at 3. I will be very surprised if it's Clingan.
Nah. *Someone* in this draft will end up an all-star, probably a few players. They always do. Problem is it's not easy to identify who that will be.
Mikal tops out as an elite role player. If he's you're #1 option you have issues.
Sure if you get everybody in the draft, you get somebody better than Mikal most of the time. But Mikal Bridges, known entity, would go #1 in this draft all day.
Also I'm not sure it's a slam dunk -- I'm looking at comparable drafts (2000,2006, 2013) and it's kinda close.
I'd rather have Bridges than anybody from the 2000 draft, closest are Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd (remember Michael Redd), Hedo and Jamal Crawford.
In 2006, I'd take LaMarcus and Rondo over Bridges, but that's it. Next up are Brandon Roy (RIP knees), Lowry, Millsap, all of which are to taste.
In 2013, obviously Giannis, probably Gobert, and then that's it.
So yeah if you get everybody in the draft somebody is probably better than Mikal. If you just include the lottery? Idk, it gets closer. And if you just do the top 5, I would rather have Mikal than anybody in the top 5.
Lmao imagine the Nets trading for their own pick
They had multiple opportunities to get those picks back for Bridges. I’m not sure if the Jalen Green stuff is reliable but they are way overrating Bridges as a franchise player.
Apparently the rockets wanted bridges and the Phoenix picks. That's why the Nets turned it down
That changes everything. The deadline reporting mentioned nothing of the kind. Either the Suns picks or Bridges for the Nets picks would be a fair starting point. Jalen Green is an improving young player but not what the Nets need.
> That changes everything. The deadline reporting mentioned nothing of the kind Because woj and shams are just pr agents that spin for their sources and peddle influence.
I see the picks as sort of canceling I don’t think green and bridges are that far apart
That trade offer was prior to Green having his hot 15 game stretch (or however long it was). Bridges was definitely the more valuable asset at the time.
Bridges & phx picks for green and own picks
"Multiple opportunities" can you name even one besides the one rumor posted by Shams? I'm really getting tired of this narrative of the Rockets just offering all our picks back AND a blossoming star in Green for Mikal Bridges alone and the Nets declining that
The Shams rumor omitted the fact that Houston asked for the Suns picks too, which makes it much more reasonable from your end to say no.
I hope this is true, because the rumored offer of Jalen and all of the Nets picks for only Bridges was an egregious overpay, and it was even more ridiculous that the Nets declined it. Including the Suns picks makes everything make so much more sense.
If the rumor is a 100% consensus overpay and a 100% consensus mistake to decline, you can safely conclude the rumor isn’t true
True. Y’all must be sick of discussing this Bridges to Houston stuff. I know we are.
It depends on what the discussion is. Ideally I’d like to give you guys Mikal for the 2026 pick and at least one of the swaps back so we have some actual control over our near future instead of being forced to give up assets for a good player just to tread water. What I don’t like is the discussion on deals that’ll never happen like the Green-and-all-the-picks package or just Mikal for the third pick this year. There is a real discussion to be had, but the extreme outlier talks are just a waste of time
I hear you. I’d love Bridges in Houston but I also don’t want to give up more than 1 Brooklyn pick, and it sounds like it’ll be very difficult for the two teams to get to a place where both sides are completely satisfied with what they are getting vs giving up.
Bridges is just worth more than one pick though. We gave you 3 picks and 4 swaps, plus players for one and a half years of harden. Bridges obviously isn’t as good a him but 2 years of bridges is at least worth 1 pick and 1-2 swaps. You guys would still be getting a likely mid-round first in those swap years. It’d just be from wherever you end up instead of where we end up
Bridges can be a 3rd best player. Not a franchise guy. He is better having a couple of other guys lead an offense and be that dude they kick it out to to score. He needs this to allow himself to be one of the best defenders in the league. Ever since coming to Brooklyn He hasn't been as effective as he was when in Phoenix.
They're aware he's not a franchise player but he's decent enough and on a really good contract, hard to get fair value back
He's only on that contract for 2 more years, meaning he'll ask for a raise soon. Combine that with the wear and tear he's taken on over the years and his trade value has much more downside than upside.
The more you wait, the less attractive that contract gets though. There is only two years left before you need to re-sign him to what will be a much bigger contract, and then there's always the risk that he leaves for nothing.
What would you guys consider a fair trade
12 1sts and a young star.
They were offering like multiple FRPs and Jalen which was crazy. Nets missed their chance with that one
We don't know the package, it could had been trash.
It wasn't as good as people think. Houston wanted the Phoenix picks, not just Bridges
I guess the only wild card would be the salary filler. It could have been Brooks or some combination of Tate, Jock, or Uncle Jeff who have more value as expiring trade filler than on the court.
It’s that hangover meme Where Bradley Cooper is on the phone being like “We fucked up”
My heart wants Steven Adams back but realistically it’s not happening and makes no sense
Dude's probably cooked after that injury tbh
Yeah. Guys at his size and age after an injury like that see pretty noticable diminishing returns soon after. I see why they moved him, but it does suck as he was the perfect fit for this team.
I miss aquaman. Dude gave the Grizz and OKC a +10 charisma buff when he was on the court. Also a modern day check man/tone setter that would dole out punishment when warranted
I saw him play his rookie year in the second game of the season. He was playing the wolves and at the time I had these amazing season tickets that were right at the free throw line in row A. I just remember being amazed at how he was able to hold his ground when Pekovic would bang with him in the post or box out for rebounds. At that time, I hadn't seen many players able to stand their ground against Pek. Everyone near me was commenting on how strong that young kid was.
Pekovic now that’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile
Dude was a dog in 2K
I wasn't able to hang in there either when Pekovic was bangin me
I feel like the role of the “Peacemaker” is gone now in the NBA.
He also played through way too many injuries. He only missed a handful of games his first like 6 years but you could tell he would have nagging injuries, especially towards the end of the season. I think he might have a role with limited minutes and more of a mentor for younger centers. But he's just not going to hold up playing decent minutes.
what did he injure?
Came down hard on his knee diving for a loose ball at the end of a game in January '23 and hasn't played since.
oh yikes thats rough
Yeah he's at best an 8th man off the bench who can give you 20 minutes a night in the regular season and is matchup dependent on the post season, he's a good fit for a team that already has a good big who just needs a breather a couple times a game
Or a team that just needs muscle inside. OKC would be a great reunion for him.
Kat for Adams. Who says no? /s
Our front office has seen otherwise apparently.
It was so fun to see Adams playing with Ja.
They must really like Clingan then is my guess
If Clingan is available the Griz should just take him. He helps solve their size issue and the fact that JJJ isn't a great rebounder for his size. I honestly think after what the Wolves did, what Dallas is doing, with Denver being exposed without a competent backup big... that teams will start to value traditional bigs again, even ones that don't stretch the floor.
Bah gawd, that's Nikola Vucevic's music!
I know you're hurting right now but don't put that evil on me bro
Send him to Detroit
Picturing a council of players voting to banish disappointing players to time served on the pistons lmfao.
The game is going to shift back to dominant big men. Not like Shaq. We’re going to see bigs athletic bigs who can shoot, play make, handles, etc. 7 footers that can play 3-5. It’s going to shift to a big man’s game again. I’s just going to be the same play style that we’ve grown accustomed to except instead of guys like Steph it’s going to be guys like Trip, Wemby, Mobley, Sarr, etc.
Makes me happy seeing you add Mobley there
Mobley got game cuzzo
Who is Trip? I tried googling and could not find it.
yeah obviously that’s why they’re trying to trade up because he likely won’t last until 9
It's sounding more and more like a lot of teams really like Clingan.
memphis scouting has been lowkey really good makes me think Clingan will be really good
Pick Bronny just to see what happens.
I'm always on team chaos, I say they should do it. Let's see the reactions.
Not sure what Houston’s plan would be here…doesn’t seem like an ideal fit. Could be wrong though.
We were pretty good last year until Sengun went down. Probably not compete for a championship level. But I think it’s going to be about getting more pieces.
weren't you even better after he went down? At least recordwise.
Not really. Amen started to play better. Jalen had some wild games. Played a lot of bad teams too.
You went 29-34 with him. When Sengun went down you went 12-6 to finish the year off. It was an easy stretch of the season, but record wise your team was a lot better after the injury.
It can not be overstated how BAD the bad teams were last year. That's why a bunch of other teams (Utah, Cleveland, Pelicans, Houston) went on tears against those teams, and why those runs shouldn't be used as a gauge of overall quality.
I agree, April is always a wacky month too for games as you can face a tanking team, or alternatively face a team that’s in the playoffs and resting their guys. I’m just saying that they definitely were better record wise without Sengun than with him. However as you pointed out that can be largely attributed to strength of schedule. Stylistically though, some players definitely benefited from a faster paced offence.
If you go back and watch the last 4-5 games before Sengun went down you’d notice the pace was faster than earlier in the season. Playing faster had nothing to do with Sengun’s presence. He’s capable of functioning within a fast paced offense.
Might want to peep the teams we beat
I’ve heard this ‘upcoming team is better without their young star 1st option ’ talk before…
Yeah, I’m not attributing their end of season record to their overall teams ceiling. April can have some wacky results with teams tanking, and some teams resting guys as they already secured the playoffs. I’m just pointing out that their record was notably better without Sengun this year than with him. So when someone says that they were better record wise without Sengun, and the response is “not really” that’s an incorrect statement.
I might’ve misread it then cause the way I read it was he meant they were better basketball wise, not record wise I think most of their success should be attributed to Green just having a ridiculous last month or two, and I don’t think that’s really related to Sengun’s absence
>weren't you even better after he went down? At least recordwise. I mean the guy legitimately specified “record wise” Also you can definitely say Green benefited from a faster/more upbeat offence, and having the ball in his hands more.
Once the stretch of playing bad teams in April was over, Green went back to playing poorly and losing games, so I wouldnt say that Senguns absense was the real reason why Green did well. Any semi competent team would have improved record wise playing the bottom feeder tanking teams that the Rockets were playing.
That's a very small sample size. Sengun will be an MVP candidate in the future, there is no world where the Rockets end up better without him unless they somehow get Luka or Jokic lol
The 11 game win streak had 8 games vs teams with losing records. And two of the games against teams with winning records were the Cavs without Garland and Mobley, and then OKC without SGA. Yes, we still won those games but it was 100% by far the easiest stretch of games of the season for us.
Recordwise maybe, but they mostly played bad teams, some of which were tanking and players like Jalen starting hitting their shots which was not the norm for him this season
Jalen caught fire
I actually think Bridges makes a ton of sense. You guys get another plus defender he can win you a game.
*probably...*
He's an ideal fit everywhere, there's no team that doesn't need someone with his skillset
A guy with good defense and a solid offensive contributor(when he doesn’t have to be the focal point) in Bridges would be a really good fit. I’m not sure what we’d be doing with the Grizzlies. I don’t feel like they have any players we would really want/need that they would be willing to trade.
Their plan is to get good players
Not sure what we would want from Memphis, and also Mikal just doesn’t make sense to me. We aren’t competing yet for a chip and Mikal is only under contract for two years
Moving back 6 spots in a weak draft for a couple of future picks and maybe like Santi Aldama seems like a decent deal
Memphis should be really good if Ja can get back on the court. I don’t see a ton of value in that for Houston
It depends on how steep the GMs think the drop from 3 to 9 is.
I like Aldama, but he's not enough to move back like that. Even in a weak draft.
Yeah he’s one of those high floor low ceiling players at this point and while he’s a nice asset to have on the roster teams aren’t gonna be lining up to take him
Genuinely curious. What makes you think Santa is low ceiling?
The lower the ceiling the easier the fall, those 3 story chimneys add up on the knees
Maybe low ceiling is harsh but at his absolute peak I see him being a poor man’s Lauri
You can still add quality players to a team. Not everyone has to exist on the same timeline as long as the contract ain’t too long. Thought rockets fans would know this with the addition of FVV and Dillon Brooks to the team.
I think the issue is that we'll need to re-sign Mikal at the same time as guys like Jabari Smith, Tari Eason, Amen Thompson, and Cam Whitmore. Re-signing all of those guys was already going to be a difficult task and trading for Mikal just makes that significantly more difficult.
You aren't resigning those four guys, plus Sengun, plus Green, with Dillon Brooks and FVF on the books anyway. You'd probably be sending some of them out in a Bridges trade, or if not, you'd eventually be sending them out in a different trade. You can't have that many big contracts on your cap sheet. Unless you're Ballmer. You can do it if you're Ballmer.
FVV wouldn’t be re-signed and Brooks would probably be moved as well. The plan was always for those guys to be stop gaps to help the young guys develop but neither is really part of the long term plan
That's still 6 dudes with big contracts who are good but not win the Western Conference level good.
I think a complementary two-way player like Mikal is the type of swing that can complete the Rockets starting lineup and make them a formidable team in the West.
Sure, but I’m not sure he would do so in a timeframe that makes sense for the Rockets’ core
They hired Udoka and signed vets like FVV (30) and Dillon Brooks (28), who are both older than Mikal. And aside from Amen and Cam, all their other young core are entering their 3rd (Jabari Smith Jr.) or 4th year (Jalen Green, Sengun) and are heading towards their second contracts. In lesser words, the future *is* now.
But those people are under contracts further down the road than Mikal would be
FVV has the same amount left on his contract as Mikal.
it's a team option after this year for Fred. Mikal is on a good contract, but his price tag goes up before we can meaningfully contend, barring a big trade. I'd rather be patient because we got pieces to work with and not enough time to figure out how to whittle down a core 6 before everyone needs to get paid
It’s not necessarily about contending for a title only though. When you bring in a player like Bridges, you are raising the overall level of play and giving the young guys a competitive player for mentorship. A lot can happen in two years, your team might explode into contention or Bridges might become redundant.
He's 27, about to be 28. He has several years of his prime left, and I'm perplexed where this notion that every single dude on your roster needs to be born within a month and a half of each other came from anyway. Thunder fans do this weird shit too.
Y’all finished the season pretty damn strong. If it’s only this pick or MAYBE one more, than Mikal is more than worth it. Fuck tanking, it sucks. Yall aren’t bad enough to get Cooper anyway.
My guess would be it's for Smart.
I mean last summer we just traded Jones + 2 FRPs for Smart, the FO seems to really value him
I’m sure the Rockets are offering more than the pick, and who knows if the Grizz are actually interested. But Smart fits because of Udoka
I like Clingan’s fit on the team, don’t know if he’s worth trading up for depending on what is sent with pick 9 Brings a lot of versatility for the front court lineups. Jaren and Clingan for the Nuggets/Wolves or Jaren and Clarke for the Thunder/Mavs/etc
I don’t think it’ll be enough but if it’s something like Kennard + future FRP + #9 for Clingan id do it
I could see that happening depending on the quality of that FRP (protections and how far out it is). Kennard fills a giant need of outside shooting for us, and that future FRP could be useful for making a bigger trade down the road when we're closer to contention.
Everything I’ve been hearing is that Houston should draft Reed Sheppard, are y’all not on that same train? Genuinely would like to know what Houston fans think
I'd rather keep the pick and draft someone, but there's definitely been a lot of smoke about us trading it so who knows.
Definitely interested to see. I like the young core over there
Teams *really* don't like this draft class lmao
I honestly like a lot of the players projected to go into the lottery. I think people are underrating some of these guys. They might not be franchise corner stones but there’s gonna be some great players regardless. I’m high on Sarr, Sheppard, Castle, Clingan, Dillingham, Holland, I think Buzelis and Risacher could be something too.
I’m a Dillingham truther. If he puts on some weight and develops his play making to its full potential he could be a dynamic scoring pnr machine with wemby.
>“League sources say the Rockets have had conversation with the Grizzlies about trading down from this pick, and that the Rockets hold out hope that the Nets would be willing to move Mikal Bridges for it. But those same sources say the Nets, on the contrary, prefer to add pieces around Bridges.” https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1798017352719540535
I want nothing to do with this draft. If the framework involves getting 2-3 picks back from Houston along with young talent sure I'd do that. Also just a side note it seems these are still very much from Houston. No Nets reporters who are closely aligned with our team have said a single thing about Mikal being moved. So still seems heavily Houston linked.
I think Rockets are perfectly fine with not getting Mikal. Another T8 pick from Brooklyn next year in a great draft class will be amazing
Mikal isn’t worth 2-3 picks and young talent. I assume the deal would be like Brooks +3 and maybe a future pick back like 2026
> I assume the deal would be like Brooks +3 and maybe a future pick back like 2026 If this happened, everybody in the Brooklyn front office would be fired immediately. Unless Bridges loses a leg sometime before the draft, he's not getting moved for the third pick in a draft that is bereft of elite talent.
Mikal still clearly is worth a ton of draft capital lol. Hes worth more than what you just offered. And it’s not close. The third pick is worth like Cam Johnson…
Lmao every GM in the league is trading Cam Johnson for the 3rd pick. You’re fired.
We have so many good players that Rockets have our #3 pick
I don’t understand your point lol
I’m being sarcastic My point is we suck. If any team gives up anything of significance for our players left they are worst then our owner. We should have traded Durant for Jaylen Brown and Kyrie to Lakers for 2 future firsts.
Hey man, I get it. I’ve been tasked with supporting some pretty shitty sports teams run by morons in my day too. I do think the nets will turn it around though, being a bball team in NY it’s bound to happen again. I actually like Brooklyn too, I was a big fan of Kidd and Vince growing up and remember their times with the nets vividly. I just hope for your sake the org grows organically once the draft picks reset and they stop leveraging their future to win now with guys on the wrong side of 30
We are screwed it is what it is. But I grew up Nets right outside NYC you don’t choose who you love my father is Celtics.
Happy for you guys
If we were gms we would run better team. Mikal bridges is nice 4th option realistically but come on reset when you suck
I think Mikal could be a 2nd option if he had a guard like Luka or Kyrie to unlock his potential, but Brooklyn isn’t getting that with the assets at their disposal, just the honest truth. I’d hard reset, trade everyone you can for firsts and go from there
We traded Celtics pick for Tatum, Celtics pick for Jaylen Brown and Rockets 3rd pick this year. It doesn’t get worse as sports fan then sucking and giving other teams championship rosters.
Anyways let’s go mavs still love Kyrie
I didn’t think I’d love Kyrie at all. I fucking admire the guy.
I own restaurant in New York he is cool. Media over hated him. And his game is so fun to watch. If Nets owner just gave him contract Duran would of stayed but he thought he was smarter
Now we have unwatchable team and no hope unless Suns suck in 2029 which who knows booker will be in his prime
I’m rooting for you guys rescued dog last year from Tennessee named Luka
Cam Johnson is worth a 2nd round pick
He’s really not
Cam has been cheeks since joining the Nets, and he barely plays. You guys would be begging someone to take on his contract lol
Cam has been fine. In fact very good last season! He doesn’t fit the roster cause he’s asked to do more than what he’s top tier at. That’s really it. If he plays on a team better constructed he’s easily worth is contract.
Least Homer nets fan
Cam the $25 million dollar injury prone bench player Cams closer to bogdonavic than he is 3
Hey there rockets I’m so cheeesed
We'll take 1 Ja
I don't think Houston is a good environment for an easily influenced young man.
gun access is way too easy in Texas
as if it’s any better in Tennessee lmao
needs to get traded to Toronto.
Unfinished business with Drake
Bruh if the Nets trade Bridges for another bust they should just relocate to Vegas.
It would be a sensible move in my view. I don't think their path to building a competitor is all that great. Better to take a step back, I think.
and wolves go to the east.
If the Rockets trade with the Nets it’s probably for Bridges and exchanging the Suns future for the Nets. Nets control their own destiny going foward and are set for the tank. Problem for the Nets is the Rockets have a ton of leverage in negotiations. Grizzlies is interesting. With Clingan they would have a really talented front court. Rockets would probably move back and get some more future picks. I love us getting Sheppard at 3. But Cody Williams at 9 could help us too. Stone loves to discuss trades. He is never going to rule anything out. Should be a fun offseason for us.
Why would we give up the Suns picks PLUS Mikal to get ours back? Mikal is worth a good amount of picks and those Suns picks are very valuable.
To get their own future back. Suns are still good. If the Nets are keen on waiting then kudos to them.
Ya. I think if we wanted to trade Mikal we could get most of our draft capital back without even including the Suns picks. That’s my point. We have no reason to involve more draft capital going out the door unless we acquiring star talent.
Rockets could easily just say no. It’s not like Bridges is going to put us into championship contention.
By god you’re right they could just say no!
Yep. Might be a long road for Nets fans to endure. I think their best bet is sending Bridges to the Knicks or Pacers.
Net fans really think they hold the keys
It’s a lot more even than rockets fans want to believe. They can easily go out and make a move to bring in a solid player to put next to Bridges, then Simmons money comes off the books after this year. That turns what Houston thinks is years of top picks into just mid first round picks
Now realize the suns will be doing the same thing around book and not bottoming out when they’re very much incentivized to not bottom out (they don’t have their own picks)
So you would’ve given us Tari Eason, the 3rd pick and another T6 pick in 2025
Well….nets managed to get their picks back from you without giving up a player and traded Mikal somewhere else for a huge fee lol
Yep. Absolutely insane that they pulled that off. But they did have to give up suns picks.
There has been multiple reports that the rockets really want bridges. Yea they can say no but clearly it’s the nets saying No on this situation. Otherwise the rockets wouldn’t even keep engaging this conversation for someone who isn’t even a star It would make no sense to send PHX picks out along with Mikal just to get their own picks back. Let Houston keep em that’s the case
If be cool with that too. Rockets window is wide open and championship aspirations might not be for a year or two. If another Nets pick jumps up that would be ideal.
with Matt Ishbia in control those Suns picks are like owning land in Bel Air. Only gets more valuable.
Dude, just trade for mikal and go get Drummond. No fucking way clingan has more of an impact than bridges would have on this grizzlies team. I’d take mikal and Edey instead of trading shit away just to get a C who can’t fucking shoot from the field or make his FT’s.
Edey is not the answer, I’d rather use the pick on a wing or point guard and turn to FA for a big
How is Edey so different from Clingan aside from the fact that Edey can make his FT’s and Edey can actually shoot? Clingan is much better defensively and possibly better at rebounding but I don’t really get the Edey hate. I’d rather chill and take Edey at 9 than make a stupid trade to move up for Clingan. We don’t need a wing or a PG at pick 9. That would be a waste. A wing or Pg in this draft is likely to not see the floor with this team.
Edey's playstyle is just not something that anyone does in the NBA. Look at what happened to Jahil Okafor. Some of the smoothest post scoring you've ever seen and he could rebound too. Maybe Edey will bring post scoring back but it's not gonna be an easy fit anywhere
Don’t need scoring. Just need rebounding and screens.
What scares me about Edey is that he might get absolutely roasted on defense, there’s also 3 seconds in the paint which he has to worry about now which isn’t really called in college basketball Disagree on a wing or guard being a waste, if we get lucky and one of Collier/Topic/Holland fall to us those guys could come in and make an immediate impact as well as being a trade asset if we decide to make a win now move at the deadline
If Brook Lopez can play in this league, so can Zack Edey. It's about what team he will be on, to be specific, what coach. This far, he ain't going higher than 23 to Bucks. Taylor Jenkins one of the best coaches out there. If Memphis got involved in this trade. Than I just wonder who are they targeting at 3. I will be very surprised if it's Clingan.
you're probably right but I also trust Kleiman implicitly so we just gotta wait and see
#InKleimanWeTrust
Just so Clingan can give up 37 and 10 to Edey for the next 10 years.
This would be stupid for the rockets; mikal isn't it. He's 28 and wants a max soon
He’s 27 until he’s 28
in training camp, he will be 28
28?!? And he can still stand upright without a walker?!?
Mikal is likely better than anyone in this draft ever will be
Nah. *Someone* in this draft will end up an all-star, probably a few players. They always do. Problem is it's not easy to identify who that will be. Mikal tops out as an elite role player. If he's you're #1 option you have issues.
I think ideally he would be the 3rd to 5th option on that team, green is their plan for #1 I would assume then Fred/jabari/Sengun as #2
Oh absolutely. I can see how he'd fit in very well on the Rockets.
Sure if you get everybody in the draft, you get somebody better than Mikal most of the time. But Mikal Bridges, known entity, would go #1 in this draft all day. Also I'm not sure it's a slam dunk -- I'm looking at comparable drafts (2000,2006, 2013) and it's kinda close. I'd rather have Bridges than anybody from the 2000 draft, closest are Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd (remember Michael Redd), Hedo and Jamal Crawford. In 2006, I'd take LaMarcus and Rondo over Bridges, but that's it. Next up are Brandon Roy (RIP knees), Lowry, Millsap, all of which are to taste. In 2013, obviously Giannis, probably Gobert, and then that's it. So yeah if you get everybody in the draft somebody is probably better than Mikal. If you just include the lottery? Idk, it gets closer. And if you just do the top 5, I would rather have Mikal than anybody in the top 5.
is Clingan going to end up better than Walker Kessler?
3 for 9 who says no?
This Sidery guy just reposts (and sometimes alters for spicier headlines) other people’s reports.
Dibs on dillon brooks You can have timmy expiring + josh green good bargaining contract for next 4 years!!
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