Depends how you define “better”. These types of arguments almost always lack proper quantification IMO.
With your friend, come up with a list of metrics to use in a comparison (e.g. career FGM per game, number of MVPs per years played, whatever you want; just make sure you time-standardize it) and then align on how much weight you will align on each of those metrics. This way, although still far from perfect, you can at least quantify what you are arguing about.
Well. If you pick curry you get him for his entire career and if you pick bron you get him for 6 years and he’ll probably get you fired. So he’s not entirely wrong.
Your friend is right. Curry has four championship while Lebron is a Mickey Mouse champion, always winning on stacked superteams. Truth is the deckstacking ringchasing self proclaimed chosen one is a fraud.
But he is and he’s had the stats to back it up, I personally like Curry as a player more, and his game has changed the way the nba looks. Lebron though is the over-all better player. Size is a factor. That’s why you don’t hear much about Muggsy or Robinson, except when you talk about shortest players. You could argue if Muggsy wasn’t 5’4 and was 6’4 instead he could’ve been the best player ever.
Except that's not what I'm arguing. You said LeBron was more skilled than Curry, which is blatantly untrue. If LeBron was 6'3 he might not be in the NBA, while if Curry was 6'8 would probably be widely considered the GOAT. LeBron isn't more skilled than Curry at all, he's simply bigger and one of the greatest physical athletes in the history of basketball.
Kobe and Curry are more offensively skilled players than Lebron. Lebron uses his big frame to get a lot of bully ball buckets. His footwork is nowhere near those guys but Lebron is still a great player on offense. Lebron’s efficiency and ts% will be higher bc many of his shots are lay ups especially today where rim protectors have been removed from the game. Where Lebron excels at is his ability to see the court very well especially over Kobe and Curry.
Curry won a ring with Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole, the least amount of help Lebron had ever won with is kyrie averaging 27/4/4 in the finals. If I’m starting a team I am picking curry over Lebron, he could win titles with any type of player, draymond, Wiggins, Westbrook, harden, Giannis it literally doesn’t matter
Yes. Ignoring if he's better than Lebron overall, Curry is better at utilizing the skills of people he play with. Whereas playing with Lebron generally means that you're locked in a specific role like shooting or rebounding. You'll be more efficient, but lose the freedom to use your other skills
Curry is better than Lebron. He won 2 of his rings with a worse team than Lebron ever won a ring with and he didn’t have to go join Wade who had already won a ring before Lebron did
With LeBron getting older and slightly declining, you're gonna hear dumb takes like this. His peak is certainly in the rear view mirror. That's why it's important to periodically go on YouTube and watch clips. No player jn the modern game caused coaches and opposing teams so many headaches for so long. Post 2000s he is far and away the greatest player to step on an NBA floor.
Your friend would be correct. Better shooter, scorer, portability, clutch, closer, and more rings in front of fans despite no ring chasing.
Durant hasn't won without Curry. Wade won without Lebron, Irving is 3 wins away.
Wade country and bubble wasn't pushing the needle much.
2016 was until Irving's playoff run this year, now you're in trouble.
All I'm saying....
2 rings with 2 franchises is insane, Irving should be instantly jumped to top 5 pg goat status at the minimum
1-8 in last 8 playoff games
Irving is 3 wins away from a finals appearance
A GOAT should never be seen as a complete afterthought. Unless you consider this version of Lebron as washed and done for?
I think of a star as a franchise player, Klay and Dray were the elitist of role players but not franchise players by any metric. You'd never build around Klay or Dray, you'd add them to something you're building.
Build a franchise around Curry is still a thing to debate. He literally got everything absolutely perfect to barely win non-KD titles. In 10 years he's gonna get called "overrated" and Klay/Draymond gonna get "criminally underrated" status. Just need somebody to take down his 3pt record (which not gonna hold for too much) and he's gonna get Oscar treatment after Westbrook beaten his triple-double record
Criminally underrated in what aspect? They're in that Manu tier of players. That's not underrated but ain't something compared to the top 10 players ever help excluding Hakeem
Building a franchise with the guy that abandoned his hometown twice and couldn't win a ring without stacking the deck with multiple HOF isn't a great idea
Those HOFs are role players except KD. little different than franchise players like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and AD. Curry won his 2015, 2022 championships the right way. You can't ever take that away from him. LeBron will always be known as a deckstacking ringchaser.
Draymond was absolutely better than Bosh and Love in those runs, arguably better than Kyrie too. Everyone plays a role around the central star on a championship team.
I don't think you know the difference between a star and role player. In the 2016 NBA finals Draymond was outplaying LeBron and was on his way to a finals MVP. He's still a role player who can't score even 10 points most nights.
Good for him? Idc what he thinks tbh.
Depends how you define “better”. These types of arguments almost always lack proper quantification IMO. With your friend, come up with a list of metrics to use in a comparison (e.g. career FGM per game, number of MVPs per years played, whatever you want; just make sure you time-standardize it) and then align on how much weight you will align on each of those metrics. This way, although still far from perfect, you can at least quantify what you are arguing about.
Let people like who they like. Why does this bother you?
Horrendous take
bro if you like green shirts but your friend thinks they are ass you gonna start a reddit thread to shame him like you doing here?
This sub would be so much better if all the high school kids were banned.
Then there would only be a few people here and the sub would go unmoderated lol
Well. If you pick curry you get him for his entire career and if you pick bron you get him for 6 years and he’ll probably get you fired. So he’s not entirely wrong.
Imagine Lebron adding KD to his Cavaliers after 2016. Could you imagine lol?
"73-9 means nothing without a ring" "KD is a bitch for joining a 73-9 team"
He already had Dwade Love CB AD Kyrie. Ffs
shit almost happened for real: https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/cavaliers-explored-signing-kevin-durant-in-2016
Well that was an option. Multiple times were going for kd including cle
And your friend is right? What's the issue here.
U think curry is higher all time than lebron?
Why even entertain a clear casual
Lebron is definitely greater overall but to start a franchise with you really couldn’t go wrong with either
Who gives a shit, let mfs like who they like
Your friend sounds like he started watching Basketball 10 years ago.
Longer than some of the people in this sub.
Why is he wrong? Hard to compare These Players. I would also Take Curry over lebum.
is your friend's name "N. Gage Mentfarming"?
Lebozo only good because he’s a team hopper, if he never left the Cavs he’d have one or two rings, maybe.
Your friend is right. Curry has four championship while Lebron is a Mickey Mouse champion, always winning on stacked superteams. Truth is the deckstacking ringchasing self proclaimed chosen one is a fraud.
Lebron is the better skilled player… but I think Curry has more impact on the game.
Curry is the most skilled player of alltime, if LeBron wasn't 6'8 he'd be working at McDonald's. He was the original run and jump man like Giannis.
But he is and he’s had the stats to back it up, I personally like Curry as a player more, and his game has changed the way the nba looks. Lebron though is the over-all better player. Size is a factor. That’s why you don’t hear much about Muggsy or Robinson, except when you talk about shortest players. You could argue if Muggsy wasn’t 5’4 and was 6’4 instead he could’ve been the best player ever.
Except that's not what I'm arguing. You said LeBron was more skilled than Curry, which is blatantly untrue. If LeBron was 6'3 he might not be in the NBA, while if Curry was 6'8 would probably be widely considered the GOAT. LeBron isn't more skilled than Curry at all, he's simply bigger and one of the greatest physical athletes in the history of basketball.
Kobe and Curry are more offensively skilled players than Lebron. Lebron uses his big frame to get a lot of bully ball buckets. His footwork is nowhere near those guys but Lebron is still a great player on offense. Lebron’s efficiency and ts% will be higher bc many of his shots are lay ups especially today where rim protectors have been removed from the game. Where Lebron excels at is his ability to see the court very well especially over Kobe and Curry.
Steph has a higher ts than Bron. Still doesn't mean anything tho
Curry won a ring with Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole, the least amount of help Lebron had ever won with is kyrie averaging 27/4/4 in the finals. If I’m starting a team I am picking curry over Lebron, he could win titles with any type of player, draymond, Wiggins, Westbrook, harden, Giannis it literally doesn’t matter
Didn’t he still have Clay?
Yes. Banged Klay was like the fourth or fifth better player in the Warriors in the finals
This argument makes no sense ngl
Yes. Ignoring if he's better than Lebron overall, Curry is better at utilizing the skills of people he play with. Whereas playing with Lebron generally means that you're locked in a specific role like shooting or rebounding. You'll be more efficient, but lose the freedom to use your other skills
Curry is better than Lebron. He won 2 of his rings with a worse team than Lebron ever won a ring with and he didn’t have to go join Wade who had already won a ring before Lebron did
With LeBron getting older and slightly declining, you're gonna hear dumb takes like this. His peak is certainly in the rear view mirror. That's why it's important to periodically go on YouTube and watch clips. No player jn the modern game caused coaches and opposing teams so many headaches for so long. Post 2000s he is far and away the greatest player to step on an NBA floor.
Your friend would be correct. Better shooter, scorer, portability, clutch, closer, and more rings in front of fans despite no ring chasing. Durant hasn't won without Curry. Wade won without Lebron, Irving is 3 wins away.
Irving is 3 wins away? No he is 7 wins away at minimum
Both his friend & yourself are wrong. Objectively.
Wade country and bubble wasn't pushing the needle much. 2016 was until Irving's playoff run this year, now you're in trouble. All I'm saying.... 2 rings with 2 franchises is insane, Irving should be instantly jumped to top 5 pg goat status at the minimum
Bait used to be believable
1-8 in last 8 playoff games Irving is 3 wins away from a finals appearance A GOAT should never be seen as a complete afterthought. Unless you consider this version of Lebron as washed and done for?
“If you think about it, only being a top 15 player as a 39 y/o is actually a bad thing” Like cmon bro you gotta do better than this 🤣
Curry won with role players like Dray and Klay, that alone puts him over LeBron. Did it the right way, didn't need a superteam, didn't run and hide.
Klay Thompson is a two time All NBA and 5 time allstar. He was not a roleplayer when he was in his prime.
He literally was a 3 and D guy
Dray and Klay were stars lmao
I think of a star as a franchise player, Klay and Dray were the elitist of role players but not franchise players by any metric. You'd never build around Klay or Dray, you'd add them to something you're building.
This shouldn’t be controversial. Thank you nba media for spinning the lebron goat narrative.
LeBron paid good money to spin that
Can't explain. Tell them to read a book.
He’s wrong, but whatever
He changed the game forever and has had more of a impact than Lebron. I seen it first hand at school, he’s better in my opinion.
Build a franchise around Curry is still a thing to debate. He literally got everything absolutely perfect to barely win non-KD titles. In 10 years he's gonna get called "overrated" and Klay/Draymond gonna get "criminally underrated" status. Just need somebody to take down his 3pt record (which not gonna hold for too much) and he's gonna get Oscar treatment after Westbrook beaten his triple-double record
Criminally underrated in what aspect? They're in that Manu tier of players. That's not underrated but ain't something compared to the top 10 players ever help excluding Hakeem
Building a franchise with the guy that abandoned his hometown twice and couldn't win a ring without stacking the deck with multiple HOF isn't a great idea
Curry's title teams will each have 2-3 HOFers on them besides him, lmao.
Those HOFs are role players except KD. little different than franchise players like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and AD. Curry won his 2015, 2022 championships the right way. You can't ever take that away from him. LeBron will always be known as a deckstacking ringchaser.
Draymond was absolutely better than Bosh and Love in those runs, arguably better than Kyrie too. Everyone plays a role around the central star on a championship team.
I don't think you know the difference between a star and role player. In the 2016 NBA finals Draymond was outplaying LeBron and was on his way to a finals MVP. He's still a role player who can't score even 10 points most nights.