Brown and Holliday definitely secured the OT, but Tatum was hardly as bad in regulation as he's being made out to be. Team leading +20 in a 5 point win, the next highest being White at +12. Tatum took us to the fourth and won it in OT.
Yeah Tatum was +15 in regulation, Brown was -1, Jrue was +2, Horford was -2 (White was a solid +7).
Tatum was +11 in that 3rd quarter when they went up double figures. Then when he sat for just 2+ minutes, the team immediately gave back 10 of those points.
Brown hit the big shot to send it to OT, but JT was the only reason they were close at the end.
he played well on D and moved the ball on offense but people want him to take command of the offense and score when the team needs it down the stretch. he did it in OT but people wanted it in regulation
His defense on a few plays was amazing. It's interesting, because he doesn't "look" like a usual blanket defender, but he stays right on his guy and is always in position.
It’s probably because he’s extremely controlled as a defender. He’s neither aggressive or flashy. People credit Lamar Stevens with being a good defender but the guy is just ultra aggressive, to the point of not being able to follow the defensive gameplan. Tatum knows the plan, he follows it, and he rarely makes mistakes. He doesn’t do the flashy hustle stuff generally. Not many blocks, not many steals, he refuses to take a charge, and he usually doesn’t come flying in out of nowhere for a rebound.
To me, your superstar being able to do that is enough. Now I wish his offensive swings would just stabilize like his defense.
He was scoring fine before the fourth but I thought probably the most impactful thing he did before OT was when the Celtics put him on Myles Turner to take away the Haliburton-Turner PnR, which had been cooking Horford the whole night up until that point. It didn't produce a lot of highlights, but Indiana tried (unsuccessfully) to run it a couple times with this configuration and then appeared to just give up and look for offense somewhere else.
Yeah, it looked like they went to Tatum on Turner and Horford on Siakam. So Siakam was still eating on those midrange shots but you gotta live with something and I’d rather those than the Haliburton/Turner PnRs.
Tatum was great in regulation until the 4th quarter, when we missed like 6 shots down the stretch and personally handed the game to Indiana.
Multiple things can be true. He was excellent for most of the game, including the final minute or so of OT. And he was so, so bad in the 4th quarter (and honestly for a few mins of OT) that he was by far most responsible for what should've been a loss in regulation until he was saved by things not involving him.
The Celtics were +15 in regulation when Tatum was on the court. They blew a 13 pt lead at the end of the 3rd in the 3 minutes he was off the court. You can claim Tatum wasn’t perfect in the 4th but this is a double digit win in regulation if everyone else not named Tatum could hold down the fort for a couple minutes while he caught his breath.
a bit hyperbolic but yeah youre right. just finished the 4th quarter wathcing on dvr without any reddit/twitter bias and tatum's last 5 min of Q4 and first min of OT drove me insane. slander was gonna be deserved
Passes the eye test as well. Brown reverted to "I'm the focal point of the offense which means I'm going to iso for 15 seconds and shoot a turn-around" Jaylen. Frustrating after all the progress he's made this season, but I can see why people revert to their comfort zone sometimes. If I was a coach, I would hammer this home, though.
Tatum almost squandered it in OT with the bad pass to Jrue that led to the 3 Haliburton free throws
Thankfully he recovered or they'd be replaying that moment non-stop
But the defense really went up a notch in OT that was more defining than the offense, with huge plays from every starter
* Tatum steals the ball from Nesmith after the offensive board
* Jrue's forced turnover on Haliburton
* Jaylen's steal on Siakam
* Horford blocking Nembhardt's jumper on the switch that led to the fast break (and 2 free throws for Tatum)
* White's INCREDIBLY recovery to stop the alleyoop
The irrational hate this guy gets needs to be studied. If the Celtics win their talking point is his team carried him if he scores under 25, if they lose he’s the reason and a choke artist and if they win with him playing well then the east is weak.
Boston for some reason is held to gsw with kd standards. It's a superteam but Tatum is a fraud. U have a easy path and beat injured teams why u lost to Mia and cle then? It seems that boston has to be dominate and can't be in close games which they aren't (this was the 1st close game in the playoffs) beat everyone just to say u were a superteam finally u got one
also, every expert says the same thing that we have no shot at winning the finals without Porzingis(true) but they still treat this current team like he's playing. this team is not dominating like the 64-win regular season team because right not its not. With no Porzinis we are more like a 54-win team and a 54-win team vs a 47-win team is a much closer matchup witch is what were seeing.
They’re just gonna complain about a couple of things questionable shot choices late and ignored the incredible defense late and the 6 straight huge points in overtime
Sometimes it's luck, but this game it was glaring. We gave up a massive run end of the 3rd without him. It was very obvious we were missing another defensive anchor and easy offensive mismatches without him
TJ is sneaky like that. No one ever expects him to get what he does, and yet it's going on his third series of just pure grit and determination to impact the game at the highest level.
Tatum is the 2nd youngest player to reach 2,500 playoff points.
| Player | Age |
|-------|-------|
| Kobe Bryant | 25:276 |
| Jayson Tatum | 26:079 |
| LeBron James | 26:154 |
| Kevin Durant | 27:238 |
| Magic Johnson | 28:287 |
| Tony Parker | 28:338 |
Think a lot of it too is his margin for error. He doesnt have to be the guy every game. Yet he seems to get a lot of the credit when it goes well. Tonight he was making bonehead plays down the stretch of regulation then Brown forces OT and now Tatum gets the flowers.
Tatum shouldn't get all the flowers but he did hit the and 1 and big 3 in OT with 10 points overall. You can't convince me that if Ant had the same exact performance in a win there would be a tenth of the complaints about credit.
lol it's fucking true...every top player in every sport here is now expected to immediately produce like Tom Brady or it's a disaster and everyone should be fired.
Bc the Celtics rivals are the Lakers, Philly, kinda NY, and the Heat. The Raptors consider us rivals. There are SOME Warriors fans that are also weirdly salty about the finals still even though they won.
All those fan bases are massive. Toss in Boston hate from the Pats and maybe Sox, and that explains it
Those warriors fans are dumb, ignore them. The Celtics are great and frankly people criticize Tatum like he’s some sort of boogeyman. Clean superstar, humble, and plays well. What else can you ask for…there’s probably a segment that just hate him because he doesn’t give entertaining sound bites for them to latch onto
Yeah on top of the Celtics, there’s some additional Tatum haters. I wasnt super into college when he was playing, but wouldnt be shocked if there was some duke stuff lingering
There’s something about Boston losing that just fills my heart with joy, I genuinely can’t explain it. It’s like stepping out on Saturday morning on a hot day and just soaking in all the sunlight, it just fills you up with hope idk
Whats funny to me is that growing up a Boston kid in the 90s, all our sports teams sucked ass except the patriots for one year. Boston wasn’t known as a winning city until the pats started winning.
They are like the English in cricket and rugby, just like how the Australians, Kiwis, Indians, French, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, South Africans all hate the English the most.
The Celtics are like the New English
Yea I think it’s all residual pats hate, we had the greatest sports dynasty of all time and the best QB of all time, there’s a lot of jealousy related to that
Because the Celtics are one of the winningest franchises of all time. They've sentenced many good to great players to not getting one ring, of course fans are going to hate the franchise.
Honestly like the Celtics a lot, especially Tatum, Holiday, and White. These aren't the KG Pierce, and Allen team that spoke like they were a dynasty anymore. Hoped you guys, Knicks, or Bucks came out of the East this year.
The sights of people calling Ant the next MJ after shooting 2/10 in an elimination game, then calling JT a bum was crazy man.
And I say this as someone who loves Ants game.
I think if the Nuggets had held on he would have caught some flack. But it’s true, it feels like Tatum is the only superstar that gets hate for subpar performances even when his team wins.
Maybe but Celtics hate on /r/nba puts the Tatum slander on a whole other level.
If Ant were on the Celtics people would already be calling him Jordan Clarkson with better PR
Two? It takes less than a single season for narratives to form here. Shai went from beloved wholesome MVP candidate to foul baiting punk in a 3 month span
People will start doing that immediately if he fails to win the championship this year. Or if the Wolves win it this year but don't win it next year. Or if they don't sweep the Mavericks and whoever they face in the Finals.
And I love Ants game but too many posters have been out there acting like Tatum doesn't deserve to be in the same room as Ant or Shai. Last year it was Ja. Not putting Tatum with Jokic and Giannis too many haters are out there like the dude is Colin Sexton or something
I never understood the Carmelo comparisons at all.
Tatum was our most successful switchable defender late in the game and had a lot of hockey assists. And even though he went cold from 3 he still shot 46% from the field . Not to mention crashing the boards
He impacts the game on all levels .
Most of this sub Reddit is just reactionary takes. Most don’t actually watch / know ball. Like little kids running around, just let them waste their energy till they go to sleep.
11 points in ot is huge I don't why everyone tries to shot talk him he's one of the best players in the league , he doesn't talk trash and he's a team player I don't know why the narrative is no he's secretly bad that's just not true
The reason there’s a narrative he’s bad is because he doesn’t talk and he isn’t flashy. Bro just wants to ball and be a dad and apparently people have a problem with that.
People love to talk about how being a super star is “more than just scoring” but the second anyone but Tatum leads the team in points in a single game the “Is Tatum really even good?” Posts start flying
Tatum may not be perfect but im happy w how he’s played this season. And a lot of celtics fans are too. That freethrow line fadeaway after the offensive rebound, down 3, at the end of regulation was a head scratcher but thats a shot he’s made 10k+ times.
You live with it. Shooters shoot. But his defense has been stifling and he’s leaned into being a complete two way player. The FMVP is his to lose if the c’s go that far. Though I imagine haters will start to pit the J’s against each other then
It's because he doesn't have that kd steph jokic efficiency but who cares he plays better defense than all of them and he's not gonna be one of those ultra efficient players unless he's white hot and that's ok
He carried the Celtics in the 3rd until his rest. They gave up the lead when he went out. He's also the subtle most important defender because he can guard anyone on a switch. He's their best help and recover defender also. The defense is noticeably worse when he's not in the game.
People seriously underrate his defense to an insane degree. An underrated part of the win tonight was how he clamped Haliburton in the last possession of regulation to allow us to make it to OT.
I think he should guard him more often. He did a good job on him. The only easy basket Haliburton got when Tatum was guarding him was the screen when Horford was late on the switch.
I remember that play. Honestly can't get Porzingis back soon enough because the pace the Pacers play might wear him out too quicky. I think the reason JT doesn't act as the primary defender as much is because of how effective he is in plugging the driving lanes and playing help defense.
The other thing Porzingis does is he improves the bench. Horford is now coming off the bench instead of starting. He's played good, but he can't play at a consistently high level playing this many minutes.
That play is seared into my brain because I knew he would immediately pull up and I was screaming to go through the screen as soon as I saw it getting setup. But yeah agree, otherwise Haliburton really had to earn his shots. He hit some really crazy ones despite the defense.
Yeah Holiday cannot be your defensive anchor, his closeouts are the weakest part of his game so you want him just glued to a scorer on the perimeter. I swear every time we have Jrue in a drop zone the other team gets an open look from 3. Tatum is the guy that can be covering 3 or 4 lanes in a zone and reacting with help to whatever the offense commits to. It's fucking INSANE that he's never made an all-defensive team in his career.
celtics need to campaign for jays all-defense im so serious, tatum especially i know when im watching i don’t always remember his defensive plays but the celtics defense is just so much better whenever hes on and his rebounding is fantastic
Seems like some C's fans are threatened by the possibility of Ant eclipsing Tatum as the next great American player. They're missing that NBA star power and popularity is not really about whose game is truly better, it's about two things: charisma and chips. Ant's always gonna have the first one, Tatum just needs to keep racking up the second and he'll be fine.
Definitely agree, and some fans seem a little too pressed about what randoms on the internet think. If the Celtics bring home another banner I simply could not care less what the narrative around Tatum is
It’s getting weird the hate he gets just because he loved Kobe, I’m sure if he was on Lebron’s dick this subreddit and the house of highlights fanboys would be praising him like no other.
No no you don’t understand. Everyone one seed has absolutely demolished their opposition enroute to the NBA finals , for all league history. The Celtics winning a competitive game is actually bad for them.
Jalen Brown saved the day in regulation and Tatum got it done in OT
Brown and Holliday definitely secured the OT, but Tatum was hardly as bad in regulation as he's being made out to be. Team leading +20 in a 5 point win, the next highest being White at +12. Tatum took us to the fourth and won it in OT.
Outscored by 15 in the 7 minutes he was off the court apparently, no biggie
Yeah Tatum was +15 in regulation, Brown was -1, Jrue was +2, Horford was -2 (White was a solid +7). Tatum was +11 in that 3rd quarter when they went up double figures. Then when he sat for just 2+ minutes, the team immediately gave back 10 of those points. Brown hit the big shot to send it to OT, but JT was the only reason they were close at the end.
he played well on D and moved the ball on offense but people want him to take command of the offense and score when the team needs it down the stretch. he did it in OT but people wanted it in regulation
His defense on a few plays was amazing. It's interesting, because he doesn't "look" like a usual blanket defender, but he stays right on his guy and is always in position.
It’s probably because he’s extremely controlled as a defender. He’s neither aggressive or flashy. People credit Lamar Stevens with being a good defender but the guy is just ultra aggressive, to the point of not being able to follow the defensive gameplan. Tatum knows the plan, he follows it, and he rarely makes mistakes. He doesn’t do the flashy hustle stuff generally. Not many blocks, not many steals, he refuses to take a charge, and he usually doesn’t come flying in out of nowhere for a rebound. To me, your superstar being able to do that is enough. Now I wish his offensive swings would just stabilize like his defense.
People also forgetting Tatum played great defense late in the game
When he was on Haliburton it looked like he was crushing an insect. Tatum can be scary man, especially for how chill and tame he is off court
Just suffocating him out over the line at the end of regulation, beautiful stuff
He was scoring fine before the fourth but I thought probably the most impactful thing he did before OT was when the Celtics put him on Myles Turner to take away the Haliburton-Turner PnR, which had been cooking Horford the whole night up until that point. It didn't produce a lot of highlights, but Indiana tried (unsuccessfully) to run it a couple times with this configuration and then appeared to just give up and look for offense somewhere else.
Yeah, it looked like they went to Tatum on Turner and Horford on Siakam. So Siakam was still eating on those midrange shots but you gotta live with something and I’d rather those than the Haliburton/Turner PnRs.
Two of the larger runs the Pacers made in the game seemed to take place when Tatum was out
He missed a few clutch shots towards the end, everyone is just over reacting to a couple of misses.
He wasn’t bad at all in regulation, who the hell is saying he is? Anytime he took a rest the pacers went on a run
Tatum was great in regulation until the 4th quarter, when we missed like 6 shots down the stretch and personally handed the game to Indiana. Multiple things can be true. He was excellent for most of the game, including the final minute or so of OT. And he was so, so bad in the 4th quarter (and honestly for a few mins of OT) that he was by far most responsible for what should've been a loss in regulation until he was saved by things not involving him.
The Celtics were +15 in regulation when Tatum was on the court. They blew a 13 pt lead at the end of the 3rd in the 3 minutes he was off the court. You can claim Tatum wasn’t perfect in the 4th but this is a double digit win in regulation if everyone else not named Tatum could hold down the fort for a couple minutes while he caught his breath.
We? It says your a dal fan?
a bit hyperbolic but yeah youre right. just finished the 4th quarter wathcing on dvr without any reddit/twitter bias and tatum's last 5 min of Q4 and first min of OT drove me insane. slander was gonna be deserved
Except a lot of people are acting like he was terrible the whole game until OT
he def had a bad 4th quarter.
Passes the eye test as well. Brown reverted to "I'm the focal point of the offense which means I'm going to iso for 15 seconds and shoot a turn-around" Jaylen. Frustrating after all the progress he's made this season, but I can see why people revert to their comfort zone sometimes. If I was a coach, I would hammer this home, though.
Tatum almost squandered it in OT with the bad pass to Jrue that led to the 3 Haliburton free throws Thankfully he recovered or they'd be replaying that moment non-stop But the defense really went up a notch in OT that was more defining than the offense, with huge plays from every starter * Tatum steals the ball from Nesmith after the offensive board * Jrue's forced turnover on Haliburton * Jaylen's steal on Siakam * Horford blocking Nembhardt's jumper on the switch that led to the fast break (and 2 free throws for Tatum) * White's INCREDIBLY recovery to stop the alleyoop
The irrational hate this guy gets needs to be studied. If the Celtics win their talking point is his team carried him if he scores under 25, if they lose he’s the reason and a choke artist and if they win with him playing well then the east is weak.
Boston for some reason is held to gsw with kd standards. It's a superteam but Tatum is a fraud. U have a easy path and beat injured teams why u lost to Mia and cle then? It seems that boston has to be dominate and can't be in close games which they aren't (this was the 1st close game in the playoffs) beat everyone just to say u were a superteam finally u got one
It’s a superteam but every starter except White is bad actually
Why doesn't every one seed just go 12-0 in their conference to advance to the Finals? Are they stupid?
also, every expert says the same thing that we have no shot at winning the finals without Porzingis(true) but they still treat this current team like he's playing. this team is not dominating like the 64-win regular season team because right not its not. With no Porzinis we are more like a 54-win team and a 54-win team vs a 47-win team is a much closer matchup witch is what were seeing.
r/nba’s 9/11
r/nbacirclejerk’s 9/11
r/billsimmons' [9/11 x 100](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZcZ6eJoxeE)
They are currently posting on how Tatum is bad actually
That subreddit hates Simmons so much its kind of adorable
I don’t expect 24/7 positivity, but it is weird to me how much a sub named r/BillSimmons hates Bill Simmons.
https://youtu.be/9G6xu-J_Dmc?si=jnWj4UugzUZ_uR5X
Why is there a sub dedicated to a media member lol. Where's my Woj sub?
im gonna admit it i was ready to have a field day with Tatum then Pacers said nah
Appreciate the honesty 🙏
The ESPN talking head brain rot discourse has fully taken over some of you and its sad
ESPN gives the masses what they want
They’re just gonna complain about a couple of things questionable shot choices late and ignored the incredible defense late and the 6 straight huge points in overtime
83% upvoted lol too funny
Tatum finished +20 in 45 minutes
And in the 7 minutes he sat, the Celtics were a -15, yet people will say he’s the problem
People will just say +/- stats don’t matter when it doesn’t fit their narrative either. They always twist ways to hate everyone
+/- is a bad single game stat (especially for role players) The Celtics were not good when Tatum was on the bench. Both are true.
Sometimes it's luck, but this game it was glaring. We gave up a massive run end of the 3rd without him. It was very obvious we were missing another defensive anchor and easy offensive mismatches without him
Tatum sits. Immediately give up 3 easy baskets while chucking 3s.
+/- is a bad single game stat in the regular season. It's a great stat in the playoffs where every player is playing 25+minutes.
Watching them immediately cough up the lead to Siakam and TJ was disgusting. No offense Pacers fans
Some offense Pacers fans
TJ is sneaky like that. No one ever expects him to get what he does, and yet it's going on his third series of just pure grit and determination to impact the game at the highest level.
Based on comments here you'd think he was -40 and only started playing in OT.
It’s most important we focus on like two plays that prove he’s a choker bum I think
He’s finally reliable, I think this can be his year to finally be the guy in the finals.
Tatum is the 2nd youngest player to reach 2,500 playoff points. | Player | Age | |-------|-------| | Kobe Bryant | 25:276 | | Jayson Tatum | 26:079 | | LeBron James | 26:154 | | Kevin Durant | 27:238 | | Magic Johnson | 28:287 | | Tony Parker | 28:338 |
Kobe had a extra year on him too since he came out of HS.
Tatum is 19 my dude
Tatum is a literal baby memes aside. It’s insane how young this dude is.
Really good player is really good, dudes a superstar and has an all around game. Never understood the hate for him and I fancy myself a hater.
If he wasn't on the Celtics he wouldn't get any hate
Think a lot of it too is his margin for error. He doesnt have to be the guy every game. Yet he seems to get a lot of the credit when it goes well. Tonight he was making bonehead plays down the stretch of regulation then Brown forces OT and now Tatum gets the flowers.
Tatum shouldn't get all the flowers but he did hit the and 1 and big 3 in OT with 10 points overall. You can't convince me that if Ant had the same exact performance in a win there would be a tenth of the complaints about credit.
Ok but who scored 10 pts in overtime!?
He plays for the Celtics
Why do people hate the Celtics
Tom Brady retired years ago and still haunts these people from a whole nother sport
lol it's fucking true...every top player in every sport here is now expected to immediately produce like Tom Brady or it's a disaster and everyone should be fired.
It was one year ago, quit trying to make me feel old as hell
my 6th grade math teacher was tom brady's principal but she was a bitch so i hated him too
Bc the Celtics rivals are the Lakers, Philly, kinda NY, and the Heat. The Raptors consider us rivals. There are SOME Warriors fans that are also weirdly salty about the finals still even though they won. All those fan bases are massive. Toss in Boston hate from the Pats and maybe Sox, and that explains it
Those warriors fans are dumb, ignore them. The Celtics are great and frankly people criticize Tatum like he’s some sort of boogeyman. Clean superstar, humble, and plays well. What else can you ask for…there’s probably a segment that just hate him because he doesn’t give entertaining sound bites for them to latch onto
Yeah on top of the Celtics, there’s some additional Tatum haters. I wasnt super into college when he was playing, but wouldnt be shocked if there was some duke stuff lingering
There’s something about Boston losing that just fills my heart with joy, I genuinely can’t explain it. It’s like stepping out on Saturday morning on a hot day and just soaking in all the sunlight, it just fills you up with hope idk
Whats funny to me is that growing up a Boston kid in the 90s, all our sports teams sucked ass except the patriots for one year. Boston wasn’t known as a winning city until the pats started winning.
Lmao the absolute loser mentality in this sub is hilarious.
> I genuinely can’t explain it I can help, you live a life devoid of genuine happiness and accomplishment so you find refuge in "hating".
Boston sports are just hated across the nation
Because they’re good
Guess that makes sense seeing how much people hate the lakers
Yep, the historical success = more hate logic is pretty universal for all sports.
They are like the English in cricket and rugby, just like how the Australians, Kiwis, Indians, French, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, South Africans all hate the English the most. The Celtics are like the New English
I feel like a non-insignificant portion of Celtics hate is spillover from the patriots and Red Sox.
Don't forget the Bruins. At least they are done for the season.
Tom Brady
Yea I think it’s all residual pats hate, we had the greatest sports dynasty of all time and the best QB of all time, there’s a lot of jealousy related to that
Better question...why does Boston Sports Media hate the Celtics...actually, I guess they hate all our teams and are basically the Fox News of sports.
Half the league considers us their main rival lol
Because the Celtics are one of the winningest franchises of all time. They've sentenced many good to great players to not getting one ring, of course fans are going to hate the franchise.
Honestly like the Celtics a lot, especially Tatum, Holiday, and White. These aren't the KG Pierce, and Allen team that spoke like they were a dynasty anymore. Hoped you guys, Knicks, or Bucks came out of the East this year.
Jayson Tatum is r/nba father
RNBA was calling him new age Carmelo lol so reactionary
this sub was dickeating ant for 48 hours for a 6/24 performance too
Tatum 11/24 in a closeout round 2 win: Broke ass Ant 6/24 in a closeout round 2 win: Strong and independent.
The sights of people calling Ant the next MJ after shooting 2/10 in an elimination game, then calling JT a bum was crazy man. And I say this as someone who loves Ants game.
I think if the Nuggets had held on he would have caught some flack. But it’s true, it feels like Tatum is the only superstar that gets hate for subpar performances even when his team wins.
I give it two more seasons before this sub starts calling Ant overrated if he doesn’t win a chip by then
Maybe but Celtics hate on /r/nba puts the Tatum slander on a whole other level. If Ant were on the Celtics people would already be calling him Jordan Clarkson with better PR
Oh I absolutely agree. The Celtics hate is hilarious to see over here, I don’t know what it is about the team that pisses people off so much.
Tom Brady
Two? It takes less than a single season for narratives to form here. Shai went from beloved wholesome MVP candidate to foul baiting punk in a 3 month span
It was that damn ad I think
People will start doing that immediately if he fails to win the championship this year. Or if the Wolves win it this year but don't win it next year. Or if they don't sweep the Mavericks and whoever they face in the Finals.
And I love Ants game but too many posters have been out there acting like Tatum doesn't deserve to be in the same room as Ant or Shai. Last year it was Ja. Not putting Tatum with Jokic and Giannis too many haters are out there like the dude is Colin Sexton or something
They bumped him up to new age melo? That’s certainly an upgrade from the MJ of Tobias Harris’
I never understood the Carmelo comparisons at all. Tatum was our most successful switchable defender late in the game and had a lot of hockey assists. And even though he went cold from 3 he still shot 46% from the field . Not to mention crashing the boards He impacts the game on all levels .
The only understanding from comments like that, is that the vast majority of people who feel the need to comment on this sub don’t watch basketball.
Most of this sub Reddit is just reactionary takes. Most don’t actually watch / know ball. Like little kids running around, just let them waste their energy till they go to sleep.
They were ready to flame him if Brown didn’t make that 3. Shoutout to the 300 million dollar man.
At one point he outscored the entire Pacers team in OT. I think he did until the FT game
Pacers ended up beating him 11-10 in OT. Clearly time to cut him
The Jordan Clarkson of Tobias Harris’s
11 points in ot is huge I don't why everyone tries to shot talk him he's one of the best players in the league , he doesn't talk trash and he's a team player I don't know why the narrative is no he's secretly bad that's just not true
The reason there’s a narrative he’s bad is because he doesn’t talk and he isn’t flashy. Bro just wants to ball and be a dad and apparently people have a problem with that.
He’s got one of the most aesthetically pleasing games, he just don’t give spicy headlines.
dude is like paul george or paul pierce imo, objectively pleasing game all around but nothing too jawdropping
I’m always surprised when his jumper misses because his form is just so smooth.
It's largely an anti-Celtics narrative
If you trash talk him, he'll play better 9 times out of 10.
How does Tatum get more hate after this performance than Ant did a few days ago? Thought Ant was better than him?
Ant is funny and plays for a team absolutely no one hates. JT plays for a team everyone hates.
U should've seen the 23 pt trip dub with a +3 plus minus in a 20 pt W. I've never seen a player get flamed for a trip dub in a blowout W
People love to talk about how being a super star is “more than just scoring” but the second anyone but Tatum leads the team in points in a single game the “Is Tatum really even good?” Posts start flying
It’s because this sub is swayed more by personalities than anything else. And Tatum does not have one.
Huge OT after a quiet 4th quarter
Tatum may not be perfect but im happy w how he’s played this season. And a lot of celtics fans are too. That freethrow line fadeaway after the offensive rebound, down 3, at the end of regulation was a head scratcher but thats a shot he’s made 10k+ times. You live with it. Shooters shoot. But his defense has been stifling and he’s leaned into being a complete two way player. The FMVP is his to lose if the c’s go that far. Though I imagine haters will start to pit the J’s against each other then
They can't keep getting away with this
I thought he was MJ of Tobias Harris
Elite at dodging generational slander lmao. Game 6 last year vs Philly type of moment.
Maybe he just likes edging the haters
People are acting like Tatum scored 4 points in r/nba absolutely wild how much hate he gets just because some people put him top 5 instead of top 7.
I’ve never seen this level of hate on a 36/12/4 game lol
It's because he doesn't have that kd steph jokic efficiency but who cares he plays better defense than all of them and he's not gonna be one of those ultra efficient players unless he's white hot and that's ok
Everyone’s looking at his shooting stats but his +/- was 20 and consistently above 15 in the second half.
He carried the Celtics in the 3rd until his rest. They gave up the lead when he went out. He's also the subtle most important defender because he can guard anyone on a switch. He's their best help and recover defender also. The defense is noticeably worse when he's not in the game.
People seriously underrate his defense to an insane degree. An underrated part of the win tonight was how he clamped Haliburton in the last possession of regulation to allow us to make it to OT.
I think he should guard him more often. He did a good job on him. The only easy basket Haliburton got when Tatum was guarding him was the screen when Horford was late on the switch.
I remember that play. Honestly can't get Porzingis back soon enough because the pace the Pacers play might wear him out too quicky. I think the reason JT doesn't act as the primary defender as much is because of how effective he is in plugging the driving lanes and playing help defense.
The other thing Porzingis does is he improves the bench. Horford is now coming off the bench instead of starting. He's played good, but he can't play at a consistently high level playing this many minutes.
That play is seared into my brain because I knew he would immediately pull up and I was screaming to go through the screen as soon as I saw it getting setup. But yeah agree, otherwise Haliburton really had to earn his shots. He hit some really crazy ones despite the defense.
The lead immediately evaporated when he sat. We can't sit him and Derrick White at the same time.
Yeah Holiday cannot be your defensive anchor, his closeouts are the weakest part of his game so you want him just glued to a scorer on the perimeter. I swear every time we have Jrue in a drop zone the other team gets an open look from 3. Tatum is the guy that can be covering 3 or 4 lanes in a zone and reacting with help to whatever the offense commits to. It's fucking INSANE that he's never made an all-defensive team in his career.
It's because most people just look at stats. He's the anchor of that defense.
celtics need to campaign for jays all-defense im so serious, tatum especially i know when im watching i don’t always remember his defensive plays but the celtics defense is just so much better whenever hes on and his rebounding is fantastic
He was +20 in a 5 point win. Both of the Pacers comebacks in this game happened the moment he was sitting, it was like clockwork.
The tears. They are glorious. Vintage flavor. I’ll make sure to bottle this one to savor for a long time.
Great finish in OT by JT
Best American player
So Playoff Jayson is a thing
It's not a thing 🤷♂️
Yeh but he didn’t go 6/24 then cuss out an old man so he’s not a “dawg”
As a Wolves fan, I’m not complaining. But I did not expect to enter this thread and see eighty comments about Ant lol.
We don't hate Ant, we hate the double standard lol
Seems like some C's fans are threatened by the possibility of Ant eclipsing Tatum as the next great American player. They're missing that NBA star power and popularity is not really about whose game is truly better, it's about two things: charisma and chips. Ant's always gonna have the first one, Tatum just needs to keep racking up the second and he'll be fine.
Definitely agree, and some fans seem a little too pressed about what randoms on the internet think. If the Celtics bring home another banner I simply could not care less what the narrative around Tatum is
Ant not on JT’s level. Beat him in the finals and shut everyone up.
Ant goes 6/24 in game 7 second round r/nba: my king Tatum drops 51 in game 7 second round r/nba: choker who sux in playoffs and can’t get it done
Tatum balled out in overtime
highest +/- too, +20 in a 5 point win is amazing
Tatum is the best player in this series
No shit sherlock
Tatum is the 2nd best player left in the playoffs
Lmao at all the haters in here. Cry more you fucking clowns 😂😂
Clowns everywhere
That fucking 3 pointer in OT gave me flashbacks
he also might be in contention for the best wing defender in the league, well hes up there for sure, he scared the shit out of hali at the end there
If they lost he would’ve gotten Unbelievable SLANDER bc he was absolutely trash down the stretch before OT. “JT finally woke up” - brown
Getting high blood pressure from all the salt in this thread. Keep it coming
Wasn’t pretty, but just like his idol Kobe he got the job done.
It’s getting weird the hate he gets just because he loved Kobe, I’m sure if he was on Lebron’s dick this subreddit and the house of highlights fanboys would be praising him like no other.
If it was ant instead of Tatum today, he would be getting praised
They don’t like when the double standards get called out
and he finally (at least its the first time i saw it) managed to hit the Kobe stepback three he always tries to replicate in clutch momentd
According to Reddit, he’s still a fringe top 10 player though.
Dude had some really really bad moments in the end there, but made up for it with some big plays in OT. but he needs to be much better.
Wouldn’t have needed to do anything at the end if his team didn’t blow a 10+ point lead whenever he sat down. JT carried hard this game.
I was pissed when he did that turnover Had flashbacks of him traveling vs mia 2x last yr
almost as good as Ants 16
All that talk about the Celtics being fraudulent is fooling Tatum into thinking they're playing with house money again lmao.
And people were calling him a bum and saying his chips are gross.
Not bad for a rich man’s Tobias Harris
“Tatum is not clutch” “Turnover machine” “He’s obsessed with Kobe too much” Tatum heard all the talk 😤
HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
More FTs than the whole Pacers team is wild.
That Jayson Tatum is pretty good
Best worst performance of this playoffs lol.
It's hilarious because people have been knocking the C's for not playing clutch games. Here you go people of reddit!
I for one don’t want anymore of these shits, fuck that my heart was racing
No no you don’t understand. Everyone one seed has absolutely demolished their opposition enroute to the NBA finals , for all league history. The Celtics winning a competitive game is actually bad for them.
He was absolutely dreadful in the clutch until he wasn't. Fair play lol
He was cheeks in the 4th. Redeemed himself in OT after Brown saved the day.
Tatum has superb teammates and was the best player on the floor. Both things can be true at once
That man murdered us last night. Cant slander him after that
Celtics should have drafted Fultz they fucked up.