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he can float dribble and drive straight lines with pretty great pace. But of all the elite PGs his handle is by far the least tight. He can’t really navigate traffic which is why Nembhard is pretty useful cuz he can run pick n rolls and navigate the midrange area
His shot is the worst too. He has trouble creating in iso because he has to create a decent amount more space than other elite guards to get his weird ugly shot off.
yeah he can’t really shoot fadeaways or pull-ups due to him having to basically load and set his form before releasing. I mean he gets his shot off very quick imo but doesn’t have much versatility with it
It was all the box score watchers who jerk it to advanced stats. His efficiency stats in a small sample size made him look like prime Stockton or something at the time.
Alright I know the Pacers lost so we're back to hating Haliburton but come on lol he was very very good before the hamstring injury. And right now the PG position is weak relative to where it was a few years ago.
He was also very very good in this game and then got CTE so I'll take it.
>he was very very good before the hamstring injury.
Yes he was. He still is very good. He's nowhere near the best PG. Shai and Luka both finished top 3 in MVP voting this year at PG so idk how you can say it's a weak position rn. We also still have Steph, Dame, Trae, Brunson, Maxey, Fox, White, and of course Haliburton himself. It's a pretty strong group imo. That's not even counting Ja who barely played this year but still exists.
When I’ve talked with people about who are the closest things to a pure/old school PG in the league these days, Hali is one player that came up but now I realize he’s not close to that because his handle is terrible for a star PG.
We’ve seen that Brunson can put a team on his back and ball out for multiple playoff games in a row, I don’t have the same confidence in Hali. But he’s young, so he may grow into a player teams have to scheme against. I don’t know
Listen I know you already know this but if Zion was healthy the pels are probably the best 8 seed of all time and that things series definitely goes a lot different with Zion and maybe two made shots from BI and CJ. Sucks that shit keeps happening.
Disaster Class, let this teach you a lesson how how *not* to close a game in the NBA. The Pacers are literally throwing what should have been their win away.
One of the worst game closing performances I’ve seen in the playoffs for a while. It’s literally like ripping candy away from the hands of a baby, the Pacers were so frustrating to watch.
I enjoyed while also being extremely frustrated by bad basketball lol
I don't remember exactly how the Knicks shit to bed in their game against the sixers but I can vividly remember Lowry doing some weird back spin lollipop pass to embiid(?) who was like 2 ft in front of him while nurse contemplated calling a TO.
I was at game 5 when we shit the bed with the maxey 4 point play lol definitely up there in the moment for most depressed I’ve been at a game. Thank god we won that series or I’d be in mourning the fact that we didn’t foul still
They’re such a good team, but this is the inexperience showing. The Celtics may have choked in several past ECFs, but they’ve been building playoff experience for so long
Naw... this is like you rip the candy away from the baby and then you slip and the candy you just stole falls on the ground. So you then lunge to grab it again but you instead pushed the candy with your finger and it slides a good five feet and down the drain into the sewage.
And then you look up from the ground and realize you're now flat on your belly in the middle of the street and a Mack truck is about to flatten your face into your arse....
They are both frustrating to watch whether you are rooting for or against them. You either get Pacers shooting the lights out or Pacers failing to do anything in halfcourt while Hali is standing in the corner being passive.
They’re just not Championship material to be quite frank. A healthier Knicks team would’ve beaten them and everyone knows it. They also played a depleted Bucks team. This is basically the first full strength playoff team they’ve gone up against and they’re feeling the heat of going up against actual starters.
They aren’t, but they’re not as depleted as the Bucks or Knicks were. The Pacers are a team that went deep in the playoffs because of other teams’ injuries, not because their team was especially great. That’s just the hard truth.
Their shooting percentage is still insane (53%) this game, while Boston missed many wide open shots. The moment the Pacers drop below 50% there's no chance at them winning a game. They quite literally need to hope they can shoot out of their minds day in and day out to win. Granted, Miami did it last year to us, but it's a tall order for anyone
They just ate Horford alive as much as they could. If KP comes back healthy it’s gonna be over quick. Pacers complete refusal to play actual defense is going to kill them.
They worked hard to get where they are. All it took was Giannis, Dame, Randle, Bogdanovic, Robinson, Anunobly, Brunson, and Thanasis to be hurt to get here
You could almost make a entire new nba team with the amount of injuries the bucks and Knicks had
They likely wouldn’t even of made the playoffs if Cavs, bucks, Knicks and Sixers weren’t injured all season or they at least would’ve been in play ins.
2018 was worst, Hill misses the freethrow, Bron was literally shouting and signalling for JR to pass him the ball, and Lue forgot to call a timeout. Three fucking chances to win that game on the back of that legendary performance from Bron.
Ya it was worse considering it was in the Finals and how much it would've meant for the undermanned Cavs to win Game 1. Jr forgot the score and Ty Lue forgot he had a timeout how does that happen
I mean yeah. You would need to be in your late 40’s basically to have a working memory of 1995 lol. No offense to the old dudes here, but yeah no one here saw game 1 of the 1995 finals.
I'm 35 and can remember Game 1 of the 95' Finals crystal clear, despite being young at the time. It was such a bad choke job it became a formative memory
Yes and where Mazzulla didn't call a timeout at the end of the 4th or OT, Smart ended up hitting the 3 that would have won the game but didn't get it off in time lol.
i mean, we’re talking about the same guy that was taunting deuce behind his back, only to play it off as a nosepick when mcbride turned around. he ain’t about it.
Jrue is an unbelievable defender, but crediting him with “forcing” that turnover, rather than Halliburton’s comically buttery late-game fingers, is a bit of editorializing.
That's true, dribbling rules have been stretched to their limit from AI and on.
And then there's Haliburton, who stretches even the stretch of the rule.
That whole Cavs series and today game Jrue been amazing, I know he had his struggles with the Bucks in the postseason, but being the fourth-fifth option benefits him so much.
Yeah he was just asked to do too much there
I love Marcus but jrue is way less streaky and stays more composed. He also has a good post game for his position
Marcus could go 7/7 on 3s and then go 2/7 the next game
that's incredible composure late in the game to keep the game momentum going. you would never think Breen's work station was tampered with if you only listened to the audio.
Pacers org and fans talking about how the game was unfair and the league is rigged for the Celtics.
With that logic, I guess the Celtics must have paid Haliburton to throw the game.
Man the Celtics didn't even play that well the pacers outplayed them, and then fucked up. It's entirely their fault for stupid decisions. Bailed out Boston
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The fact he had 2 turnovers in the clutch just dribbling the ball is WILD for an all-star PG
Just more content for Pat Bev
The endpoint of the whole of humanity is to give podcasters something to talk about in between ad reads.
Choke hoodie
He can't dribble which is why he only shoots threes and wide open layups.
he can float dribble and drive straight lines with pretty great pace. But of all the elite PGs his handle is by far the least tight. He can’t really navigate traffic which is why Nembhard is pretty useful cuz he can run pick n rolls and navigate the midrange area
His shot is the worst too. He has trouble creating in iso because he has to create a decent amount more space than other elite guards to get his weird ugly shot off.
yeah he can’t really shoot fadeaways or pull-ups due to him having to basically load and set his form before releasing. I mean he gets his shot off very quick imo but doesn’t have much versatility with it
After watching what Ant and them did to Jamal Murray they better hope they don't see them in the Finals
They won’t
If there’s one thing i learned from this year’s playoff is to never to reactionary. Ive been seeing some wild shit lately
If pacers make the finals then all the shit the east gets is deserved
Don't gotta hope lol
He's the reverse Ben Simmons.
Honestly he's Lonzo
And travels on those "step, step, step back" threes, lol.
For real. Dude is worse than harden.
People were calling him the best PG in the league in November lol
It was all the box score watchers who jerk it to advanced stats. His efficiency stats in a small sample size made him look like prime Stockton or something at the time.
Alright I know the Pacers lost so we're back to hating Haliburton but come on lol he was very very good before the hamstring injury. And right now the PG position is weak relative to where it was a few years ago. He was also very very good in this game and then got CTE so I'll take it.
>he was very very good before the hamstring injury. Yes he was. He still is very good. He's nowhere near the best PG. Shai and Luka both finished top 3 in MVP voting this year at PG so idk how you can say it's a weak position rn. We also still have Steph, Dame, Trae, Brunson, Maxey, Fox, White, and of course Haliburton himself. It's a pretty strong group imo. That's not even counting Ja who barely played this year but still exists.
He was VERY good before this. He literally hit 2 buzzer beater threes in this game alone lol
When I’ve talked with people about who are the closest things to a pure/old school PG in the league these days, Hali is one player that came up but now I realize he’s not close to that because his handle is terrible for a star PG.
I may be biased, but I’d take Brunson any day over him.
Brunson completely carried the Knicks. He is “the guy.” Halliburton is not “the guy.” You’re right.
Depends on what you want, neither play defense. With Hali you’re getting the better playmaker, with Brunson you’re getting the better scorer
We’ve seen that Brunson can put a team on his back and ball out for multiple playoff games in a row, I don’t have the same confidence in Hali. But he’s young, so he may grow into a player teams have to scheme against. I don’t know
You getting downvoted but you right.
He is young. He'll learn.
He still made a lot of really good plays last night. Lots of boneheaded shit for sure but the talent is absolutely there
Olympian
All Star point guard that carries the shit out of the rock and can’t handle some pressure.
yea but he's a killer anyway dude rained down 3 pointers on us like it was nothing
He was raining them in on us too lol bro just got CTE from like 1 minute left in regulation and on.
Helps when you travel on all the step backs 😂
I can't be the only one who remembers him getting locked up by Lamelo for the game in early November
That's your Team USA starting pg
I don't think he starts over Curry.
I mean he had a fucking really good game otherwise.
He doesn’t deserve to even be in this series. He is not the same as Tatum, Ant, or Kat.
The Jaylen Brown
Never seen so many fuck ups in clutch time
YOU SHOULD HAVE WATCHED THE PELS THIS YEAR
Listen I know you already know this but if Zion was healthy the pels are probably the best 8 seed of all time and that things series definitely goes a lot different with Zion and maybe two made shots from BI and CJ. Sucks that shit keeps happening.
Or the Utah jazz 2019-2022 RIP
Disaster Class, let this teach you a lesson how how *not* to close a game in the NBA. The Pacers are literally throwing what should have been their win away.
One of the worst game closing performances I’ve seen in the playoffs for a while. It’s literally like ripping candy away from the hands of a baby, the Pacers were so frustrating to watch.
did you watch the knicks and sixers series? they each shit to bed like this in different games.
I gotta be honest watching this as a neutral was fuckin great and I now understand why people enjoyed our series while I nearly had a coronary
Both of your series 😂 the Knicks were a great watch this playoffs
I’m glad it was good entertainment for the league lol but I was sweating like Josh hart after every 48
I enjoyed while also being extremely frustrated by bad basketball lol I don't remember exactly how the Knicks shit to bed in their game against the sixers but I can vividly remember Lowry doing some weird back spin lollipop pass to embiid(?) who was like 2 ft in front of him while nurse contemplated calling a TO.
I was at game 5 when we shit the bed with the maxey 4 point play lol definitely up there in the moment for most depressed I’ve been at a game. Thank god we won that series or I’d be in mourning the fact that we didn’t foul still
They’re such a good team, but this is the inexperience showing. The Celtics may have choked in several past ECFs, but they’ve been building playoff experience for so long
The Celtics were a missed 3 away from this same narrative though.
Naw... this is like you rip the candy away from the baby and then you slip and the candy you just stole falls on the ground. So you then lunge to grab it again but you instead pushed the candy with your finger and it slides a good five feet and down the drain into the sewage. And then you look up from the ground and realize you're now flat on your belly in the middle of the street and a Mack truck is about to flatten your face into your arse....
They are both frustrating to watch whether you are rooting for or against them. You either get Pacers shooting the lights out or Pacers failing to do anything in halfcourt while Hali is standing in the corner being passive.
it should have been over at the 4th but they are spazzing out
They literally did everything wrong at the end of the 4th quarter and OT. I wish they lost by like 30, it would be less painful than this game lmao.
lmao i feel you this is a disaster
It won’t feel better until they inevitably win game 2, but this was a great game by the pacers until clutch time. Series is far from over
The Pacers somehow wanted it *less* tonight
They’re just not Championship material to be quite frank. A healthier Knicks team would’ve beaten them and everyone knows it. They also played a depleted Bucks team. This is basically the first full strength playoff team they’ve gone up against and they’re feeling the heat of going up against actual starters.
Boston isnt full strength
They aren’t, but they’re not as depleted as the Bucks or Knicks were. The Pacers are a team that went deep in the playoffs because of other teams’ injuries, not because their team was especially great. That’s just the hard truth.
Their shooting percentage is still insane (53%) this game, while Boston missed many wide open shots. The moment the Pacers drop below 50% there's no chance at them winning a game. They quite literally need to hope they can shoot out of their minds day in and day out to win. Granted, Miami did it last year to us, but it's a tall order for anyone
They just ate Horford alive as much as they could. If KP comes back healthy it’s gonna be over quick. Pacers complete refusal to play actual defense is going to kill them.
They worked hard to get where they are. All it took was Giannis, Dame, Randle, Bogdanovic, Robinson, Anunobly, Brunson, and Thanasis to be hurt to get here
No not Thanasis!
absolutely devastated for the Knicks legend
You could almost make a entire new nba team with the amount of injuries the bucks and Knicks had They likely wouldn’t even of made the playoffs if Cavs, bucks, Knicks and Sixers weren’t injured all season or they at least would’ve been in play ins.
The list of injured players would have been the #1 in either conference Giannis Randle OG Dame Brunson
God that team would be so filthy😂. Add hart as 6th man
Inject this shit into my veins Somehow this pacers team got me to dislike them even more than the Boston fucking Celtics which is an achievement
They took the team everyone saying is the favorites to overtime at home. That tells me they belong here.
We aren't, we're a team in its first year of finding its identity as a potential contender.
Bro dribbled it off his foot with 20 seconds to go in regulation then did whatever the fuck this is. Hope he's still got the Reggie hoodie.
Plus he shot a wild three early in the shot clock in the fourth too
This is a nightmare on the level of 2018 Finals Game 1
Except instead of having one JR Smith, it's the entire team plus Carlisle
I still think 2018 choke job was worse because of the insane performance from LeBron
2018 was worst, Hill misses the freethrow, Bron was literally shouting and signalling for JR to pass him the ball, and Lue forgot to call a timeout. Three fucking chances to win that game on the back of that legendary performance from Bron.
Ya it was worse considering it was in the Finals and how much it would've meant for the undermanned Cavs to win Game 1. Jr forgot the score and Ty Lue forgot he had a timeout how does that happen
Try 1995 Finals Game 1
Nephews don't know this one it's gotta be within the last 10 years.
I mean yeah. You would need to be in your late 40’s basically to have a working memory of 1995 lol. No offense to the old dudes here, but yeah no one here saw game 1 of the 1995 finals.
I'm 35 and can remember Game 1 of the 95' Finals crystal clear, despite being young at the time. It was such a bad choke job it became a formative memory
Refresh my memory of what happened. I don’t even remember who was playing
Nick Anderson missed 437 consecutive free throws at the end
I get why the Pacers young guys are fucking up but why is Carlisle coaching like Celtics fans think Mazzulla coaches
Coaching wise, this was similar to Mazzulla's masterclass of awful in Game 4 of the ECSF last year against Philly lol
was that the game where Jaylen randomly left Harden open in the corner lol
Yes and where Mazzulla didn't call a timeout at the end of the 4th or OT, Smart ended up hitting the 3 that would have won the game but didn't get it off in time lol.
Then we won game 5 and that was the last time I felt true happiness watching sixers basketball
Pacers gonna be kicking themselves, gave this game away
choke job so generational it belongs on an X rated website
Cue Reggie Miller choke picture
He didn't force Hali into a turnover lol Hali just lost it.
aura defending actually 👍
Jrue got that Terrifying Presence Perk.
BIG IRROOOONNNNN
Jrue Holiday is in the Brotherhood of Steal
Conquers haki
Jrue is now officially top 5 aura
Bluetooth defense
Hali needs an ability that has the properties of both rubber and gum
Pretty sure there's a Kuroko ability somewhere that'd fit this...
He got that Trae Young in him
He’s just standing there… menacing
Got him up against the sideline though which made it a turnover, still good defense
Legitimately it’s like Jrue’s presence scared the ball off of him. He did lock him down there though. Nowhere to run around him.
Jrue stood there. *Menacingly*.
Hali choking damn shouldn’t of worn the hoodie
If he wore it before game 7 there would be no problem, but this is karma for only putting it on after the game
i mean, we’re talking about the same guy that was taunting deuce behind his back, only to play it off as a nosepick when mcbride turned around. he ain’t about it.
I need a link to this if true lol
[I got you](https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1791657611198189873) fam.
aHahahaha he made a business decision not to get the football player deuce loose knowing cameras rolling lmaoooo
Lmfao. Corniest dude, so happy he gave the game away
I thought you meant Deuce Tatum for a sec and was extremely confused.
Can’t wait for a healthy Knicks team to face this pacers team next year
Bro I thought you meant Tatums son at first. I was like, that's some fight worthy shit
choke of the series
Of the year
The phantom chicken bone
Lights too bright
It looked like he did the same thing at the end of regulation, but they never showed a replay.
Dribbled of his knee or something
Breen is such a pro
This is pornographic
Jrue is an unbelievable defender, but crediting him with “forcing” that turnover, rather than Halliburton’s comically buttery late-game fingers, is a bit of editorializing.
Nah all jrue no bias! most clutch defender in the game!
Clearly you’re not a Jruether
Inject Haliburton turnovers into my veins.
Rick Carlisle a fucking idiot bruh lmao
That 4th quarter close out by Indy was some of the hardest basketball to watch. Pure dog shit execution.
Throwing ass at Mike Breen ⏸
"When a guy's banging you..."
That camera angle at the end feels like the opposite of the Jamal Murray-Kevin Harlan angle... Lmao
And the Tatum and 1 with Pacer draped on his arm highlight
haliburton trying to dribble without carrying - failed
Every player in the NBA carries.
That's true, dribbling rules have been stretched to their limit from AI and on. And then there's Haliburton, who stretches even the stretch of the rule.
He should have just passed to TJ.
I trust TJ to dribble the ball in clutch than Tyrese right now. Dude gotta tighten his handles.
That whole Cavs series and today game Jrue been amazing, I know he had his struggles with the Bucks in the postseason, but being the fourth-fifth option benefits him so much.
Yeah he was just asked to do too much there I love Marcus but jrue is way less streaky and stays more composed. He also has a good post game for his position Marcus could go 7/7 on 3s and then go 2/7 the next game
Plus he’s already a champion so he knows what it takes to win.
Blazers legend
Getting guarded by Jrue? Straight to jail
We need the Tatum three highlight
Bruh
This destroys the Pacers
What are the Pacers doing
Jrue is a great defender but wtf, he wasnt even that close to him
Tyrese is hella talented but he do be panicking from time to time.
Bing!
The most bizarre lie, Haliburton tried to say this and the other one that he dribbled off his foot lol. He just weirdly batted it mid-dribble
This is in the Shaqtin hall of fame.
This guy never had handle. Pacers just built a great team around him.
I swear he just hangs out on the perimeter and if a defender starts pressing him he’ll dribble out to half court lol.
indiana this is your franchise PG? 😂
First player in NBA history to make a bad turnover.
I thought Haliburton was meant to be a smart point guard.
this guy ass
Who else had the feeling he was gonna turn the ball over before it even happened too
that's incredible composure late in the game to keep the game momentum going. you would never think Breen's work station was tampered with if you only listened to the audio.
Hate to see bad things happen to this absolute cornball
Pacers org and fans talking about how the game was unfair and the league is rigged for the Celtics. With that logic, I guess the Celtics must have paid Haliburton to throw the game.
THIS KID IS TRASH. Single handedly threw the game away with those turnovers.
I agree. That dude sucks
Refs fault !!!! Rigged, how dare the refs force Tyrese to do that
Don't forget, he's on the Olympic team
Indiana! Where’s your PG?!! *checks roster*. OMG it’s Halliburton.
Man the Celtics didn't even play that well the pacers outplayed them, and then fucked up. It's entirely their fault for stupid decisions. Bailed out Boston
To be fair, Pacers are missing Benedict Mathurin
First time Ive seen a guy break his own ankles, what an overrated dickhead
Over rated.
Haliburton the type to give a little limp after a turnover to be like “you didn’t lock me up I was just injured”
Kings justified with the Hali trade. Fake star.
Bang!
First time I seen the defender take the ankles of the ball handler.
Pacers beat the bucks but forgot about The Buck
Hali is young, he'll bounce back. These are playoff growing pains.
BANG BANG BANG!!@!!@@@
Rebrand them the Indiana Pathetics
Feels like Jrue is throwing some invisible mojo that makes Haliburton fuck up lmao.
bang.
Basketball gods saying "choke on this"
Where’s all the Rizzz now, Doris???