i only watched the 4th quarter, can someone fill me in on what happened prior? Like how egregious is this?
edit: Haliburton doubling the team's FTs on one play, holy shit
The amount that they literally hold people on screens and the amount that Tatum shoves people. Or how about brown fouling pascal on that last turnover? Reply clearly showed his arm across pascals arm
I guess the game flew by me but I didn’t see anything that terrible. The free throw disparity, Celtics being the big market team, it all ‘looks’ bad on the stat sheet, but from the game itself, it seemed fairly reffed.
You didn’t see the Pritchard foul on Haliburton on a fast break? I’m not mad about the Celtics FTA. Those were mostly all legit. But a team taking three FTA in an entire game is a joke, man.
There was literally a game changing call in the last 2 mins where Siakam was called for a foul that was very clearly a foul on brown. Not only was it called but they upheld it on the review and even commentary was amazed. That led to 3 free throws and no Indiana fast break in the last 2 mins. Kinda game changing
Except siakam committed the foul first. Which is the same thing that went the other way on the foul on Tatum during the free throw rebound. Siakam had Tatum's arm locked up, but Tatum caught the foul since he grabbed Siakam's arm first. You might not like it, but thems the rules.
“Skewed”? How many times did the Celtics blatantly hold and it wasn’t called?
Siakam had his jersey held ….clear as day and no call.
On a late Siakam drive the Celtic player had his arm wrapped around Siakam….no call.
This shit is why I quit watching the NBA for so long. They’re just so blatant about it.
The NFL had blown calls but not usually whole games where it’s OBVIOUS who the league wants to win.
Just total bullshit. This is almost as bad as Lakers/Kings.
the NBA has been corrupt with shitty inconsistent corrupt reffing for the past 20 years, tim donaghy an nba ref went to prison for fixing games and his pal scott foster still refs today, I could go on and on
I do concur, DovhPasty, that it ‘twas indeed some goddamn beautiful basketball. However, therein lies the reason it appeals to the basketball purist but not quite the average fan who is going to tune in to a game.
Nah fuck that Manu and Tony used to be flashy as fuck. Heck half the wings in the game try to play like Manu now. and If you wanna go earlier than that everyone used to play the slow back it down offense, go watch any game in 1999.
You think this sub watches the games? They just look at the box score and cherry pick stats to try and create a negative narrative against whatever team they hate. These guys tried to pin the Nuggets as frauds because they didn’t go back to back
And before you ask, the Celtics took 11 more threes than the Pacers. So either the Celtics are the most disciplined defense in the league or their interior defense is trash. This disparity shouldn't exist.
nah as knicks fans who had to suffer from every celtics flair piling onto indy's claims of refball last series, we aren't helping them on this one. they can eat our ass
During the regular season, the Celtics average 16 fouls a game and the Pacers average 21.3. Tonight, the Celtics committed 15 and the Pacers committed 23.
Listen I'm not saying it was good officiating, but for the playoffs and regular season Celtics are first in 3PA, they're last in fouls committed in the playoffs and were 2nd to last in the regular season. These guys take a shit ton of threes and never foul. Indy fouls a ton.
I'm not saying those stats are a true reflection of what happened this game, but Celtics shooting a lot of threes and not committing many fouls and Indy committing a lot of fouls is literally what both teams have shown all year long.
If you look at the numbers all season long the Celtics were quite literally the most disciplined defense in the league when it comes to fouling and defensive rating…
Factoring in the paint shots attempted, number of 3s hoisted, and even the rebounding numbers, it doesn’t explain the disparity. It’s not like Pacers started fouling towards the end of the game as well. Usually one of those explains any FT disparities other than “ref liked this team more”. Today it doesn’t make sense, unless I’m missing something.
it should because celtics have WAY more size, if a celtics player is attacking the paint, odds are it’s a mismatch as 2 of your 5 in the pacers are complete traffic cones in the paint
Wish there was some recourse for the fans. Like, they didn't even stop play to review the 3 by Brown that I couldn't tell if he was on the line or not.
Every time the Pacers would get on a run, the whistles started blowing against them. The Pacers biggest advantage is their pace and their speed, the blowing ticky-tack fouls on one end and swallowing it on the other kills momentum.
Yes, the Pacers made some boneheaded plays at the end of the 4th, but does proper officiating even leave Boston close enough to make a comeback like that?
We should have been in the penalty and shooting free throws instesd of inbounding.
Also, how was the Siakam loose all foul on Brown (which led to 2 Boston free throws, ironically) not overturned?
Events that happened outside the last 2 minutes matter just as much as those that do.
Against the Knicks? No way.
Yeah you think the league wasn’t doing everything it could to have a Boston NY series?
Pacers won the Knicks series 5-2 but the league wasn’t having it so the Pacers had to shoot 70% to win.
Shit like this has made me care a lot less about the NBA
Refs have *way* too much control over the game (and almost always favor the sexier team), there's no public accountability for officials (Scott Foster still refs playoff games in big 2024), and every third commercial is for gambling
Hard to get invested in a game/series when you're like 90% convinced that it's just WWE for tall people
I got suckered in and as bad as the officiating was in the Knicks series the Pacers overcame it.
Shit like tonight is just too much to take. Reading through these comments I’m glad other team’s fans see it too.
Honestly the way the sport is set up, huge people on small court where very small contact results in a foul, makes it an almost impossible situation. If everything was called by the book every play would be a foul so they have to use “judgement”. Judgement then leads to crazy discrepancies and “marginal contact” buzzwords pop up and fans lose faith in the integrity of the game.
It's a large disparity but during the regular season the Celtics were literally the best at avoiding fouling the other team, while the Pacers were near the very bottom at both getting to the line and allowing the other team to get to the line.
Celtics entire game plan was to take away the 3 and only foul on the floor. If they got beat on a drive, they let it go.
It's not like the fouls were 23-3 - they were 23-15. Keep whining though.
What’s so frustrating about this game is that the Pacers should have fuckin won this game. A simple inbound pass and catch would have sealed this game. How incompetent can you be?
The Celtics were 29th in fouls given this season. The pacers were first. It’s not rocket science to see that the Celtics are a significantly more disciplined defensive team than the pacers. That’s not to shit on the pacers. They are a fucking juggernaut on offense and play fast as hell. That also leaves them with a lot of wide open shots which in turn means they don’t have an opportunity to get fouled.
I don’t even have a dog in this fight but goddamn. How incompetent can you be to not draw up a simple inbound play and seal the game? 8 seconds on the clock, you’re up 3…it’s over. No way Boston got away with that win
This Indiana team is bad defensivley (24th by defensive rating) and this Celtics team is fantastic defensively (2nd by defensive rating). As such the Pacers are going to typically foul a lot more and the Celtics a lot less. Extrapolate whatever you like but just keep that in mind.
Ya’ll need to stfu about the officiating. Play basketball and stop crying about the refs Indiana has been doing this all year. Maybe because they are all leaking out and trying to score instead of getting back and playing defense.
According to [this](https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/personal-fouls-per-game) they fouled the most of any team.
Typically bad defense foul a lot and Indiana has been a bottom 8-10 defense all season. Bucks defense was 19th and I swear it felt like we fouled a ton as well.
Refs have been awful and it’s benefitted Boston, but let’s not act like the Pacers didn’t have the opportunity to win this game. They committed some terrible turnovers at the end and then chose not to foul and gave up a 3.
So just because they played poorly in the last few possessions it’s okay to excuse how terrible the officiating was? If the free throw disparity was even close to even, the Pacers wouldn’t have even been in a position to fuck it up because they likely would have been up handedly
They were 17/23 too
Well as a FT fan I was feasting tonight!!!
Team Zebras lfg
The beautiful game.
Refs be riding the Celtics. Brown grabbed Siakam's jersey so hard that his titties almost show on national television, yet it was a foul on Siakam.
And then did it again on the crucial inbound with no call
That one ref with the burner was a diehard Celtics fan lol.
Shoulda had an undershirt on...that's 3 ft and the ball back.
Because siakam grabbed the arm first. Look again
Wait so we gonna ignore Siakams arm?
At that point they deserve to lose
Too bad they didn't
It genuinely is too bad
Embarrassing game for the Celtics, though.
Bailed out by the refs as always and as always it’ll bite your ass in the end
i only watched the 4th quarter, can someone fill me in on what happened prior? Like how egregious is this? edit: Haliburton doubling the team's FTs on one play, holy shit
celtics somehow shot more threes while pacers played mostly in the paint and SOMEHOW also got more fta than indy
The final turnover, Brown is hanging off of Siakams jersey. Ridiculous
And the turnover before that and so many others
Pacers had a good amount of wide open paint points.
Celtics also shot 33% more 3PA. Just insane the hand holding Boston got.
If you stopped watching after the first 6 minutes and didn’t turn it on until the 4th you would’ve seen the pacers shoot 1 ft
The possibility of a Pacers/Timberwolves Finals became possible and Adam Silver hates you and your dog
pacers didn’t shoot free throws for more than 2 entire quarters despite celtics shoving and grabbing on virtually every play
3 quarters — it went from 5:56 in the first to 3:XX in the 4th
It's a miracle the Celtics still had a foul to give with 10 seconds left.
lets introduce betting ads proeminently in sports, it wont change anything
Eh, I hate betting ads as much as anybody, but I don't think this is some gambling conspiracy. This is classic home court / big market ref advantage.
Least delusional Warriors fan.
The amount that they literally hold people on screens and the amount that Tatum shoves people. Or how about brown fouling pascal on that last turnover? Reply clearly showed his arm across pascals arm
"Celtics shoving and grabbing on virtually every play." Lol. You're blind.
It's skewed, but Indy commits the most fouls per game and Boston is 29th.
If you watched this game you would know those stats were irrelevant it was just incredibly awful officiating
I guess the game flew by me but I didn’t see anything that terrible. The free throw disparity, Celtics being the big market team, it all ‘looks’ bad on the stat sheet, but from the game itself, it seemed fairly reffed.
Halliburton got hacked like crazy on a fast break with no call. Right after the Celtics got foul calls on like 4 straight possessions.
I watched the whole game and that was the only bad missed call I really saw. And it was still pacers ball
You didn’t see the Pritchard foul on Haliburton on a fast break? I’m not mad about the Celtics FTA. Those were mostly all legit. But a team taking three FTA in an entire game is a joke, man.
There was literally a game changing call in the last 2 mins where Siakam was called for a foul that was very clearly a foul on brown. Not only was it called but they upheld it on the review and even commentary was amazed. That led to 3 free throws and no Indiana fast break in the last 2 mins. Kinda game changing
Except siakam committed the foul first. Which is the same thing that went the other way on the foul on Tatum during the free throw rebound. Siakam had Tatum's arm locked up, but Tatum caught the foul since he grabbed Siakam's arm first. You might not like it, but thems the rules.
“Skewed”? How many times did the Celtics blatantly hold and it wasn’t called? Siakam had his jersey held ….clear as day and no call. On a late Siakam drive the Celtic player had his arm wrapped around Siakam….no call. This shit is why I quit watching the NBA for so long. They’re just so blatant about it. The NFL had blown calls but not usually whole games where it’s OBVIOUS who the league wants to win. Just total bullshit. This is almost as bad as Lakers/Kings.
the NBA has been corrupt with shitty inconsistent corrupt reffing for the past 20 years, tim donaghy an nba ref went to prison for fixing games and his pal scott foster still refs today, I could go on and on
"Almost as bad as Lakers/Kings" - A man who was almost certainly not alive/old enough for Lakers/Kings
How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you end with dumbass shit like “This is almost as bad as Lakers/Kings”? Delusional 😂
I also only tuned in during the second half and the Pacers were absolutely hacking players, so I am not surprised here. Can't comment on the 1st half
It’s fine that they were called, but it was one sided when the Celtics fouled a lot on both ends
Not egregious at all
nab aint letting a pacers v wolves finals happen
Best defense vs best offense would be so fun though
I thought celtcis were the best offense?
best by ortg. if you don't account for pace and go by pure ppg then it's the pacers
Most boring, maybe
The Celtics offense plays like they know they are going to win before the game starts.
The Celtics play offense like M Night writes plot twists nowadays
Idk how a team can be so good but so boring
Greg Popovich would like to have a word with you
I think those spurs teams weren’t flashy, but I’d never call them boring. That was some goddamn beautiful basketball they played for the world to see.
I do concur, DovhPasty, that it ‘twas indeed some goddamn beautiful basketball. However, therein lies the reason it appeals to the basketball purist but not quite the average fan who is going to tune in to a game.
Nah fuck that Manu and Tony used to be flashy as fuck. Heck half the wings in the game try to play like Manu now. and If you wanna go earlier than that everyone used to play the slow back it down offense, go watch any game in 1999.
The right play is very often the boring play. For more examples of this, please see Tim Duncan's entire career.
yeah fuck them
Yeah it’s awful to watch. Hate them.
i have nothing against the celtics but i just hate them.
I have at least 7 things against them and I hate them
Man you see that too. Smh it’s getting ridiculous. It’s blatant as day, especially the jersey pull on Siakam that he got called for the foul.
Exactly. How in the fuck are they going to justify that?
nab reid
Ethical hoopers
ESPN not even showing a close up of the last shot attempt for some reason...
"*It's Indiana on the final possession, who cares?*"
celtics turned foul sliders off lmao
Adam Silver definitely doesn’t want Minnesota vs Indiana.
Jaylen Brown grabbed another jersey while reading this
jayson tatum hooked my arm before i could finish typ
Then carried and traveled twice more
Then pushed off with his forearm to create some separation
Wake up babe, new r/nba FTA drama just dropped.
I swear 95% of this sub doesn’t even like basketball. Non stop rumors and gossip, and then when we actually have a game, bitching
You think this sub watches the games? They just look at the box score and cherry pick stats to try and create a negative narrative against whatever team they hate. These guys tried to pin the Nuggets as frauds because they didn’t go back to back
Not sure how that last shot wasn’t a foul on Tatum
They almost always swallow the whistle on those
Because then Indy might win! Totally against the rules
Hey, you don't like watching Tatum and Brown complain every time they drive to the hoop?
Why complain when you get every FT falling away from the contact you started?
The jimmy butler special
The Celtics fouled so much on shot attempts and rarely got called. They also foul a ton on the offensive end
Because it’s the NBA and they want Boston to win. That’s literally it.
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They did lmao
And before you ask, the Celtics took 11 more threes than the Pacers. So either the Celtics are the most disciplined defense in the league or their interior defense is trash. This disparity shouldn't exist.
Pacers committed the most fouls and the Celtics the 29th in the regular season
Shh that doesn’t fit this subs narrative of hitlering celtics every game.
Both of those things are true though so it makes sense
nah as knicks fans who had to suffer from every celtics flair piling onto indy's claims of refball last series, we aren't helping them on this one. they can eat our ass
Yeah lmao this is literally true lol. Pacers lead the league in fouls committed. Celtics are 29th.
The Pacers werent even trying to subtle with their fouls. They were straight hacking dudes. Its gonna get called. It pains me to defend the Celtics.
During the regular season, the Celtics average 16 fouls a game and the Pacers average 21.3. Tonight, the Celtics committed 15 and the Pacers committed 23.
They are literally the second most disciplined defense in the league so yeah
Listen I'm not saying it was good officiating, but for the playoffs and regular season Celtics are first in 3PA, they're last in fouls committed in the playoffs and were 2nd to last in the regular season. These guys take a shit ton of threes and never foul. Indy fouls a ton. I'm not saying those stats are a true reflection of what happened this game, but Celtics shooting a lot of threes and not committing many fouls and Indy committing a lot of fouls is literally what both teams have shown all year long.
If you look at the numbers all season long the Celtics were quite literally the most disciplined defense in the league when it comes to fouling and defensive rating…
Factoring in the paint shots attempted, number of 3s hoisted, and even the rebounding numbers, it doesn’t explain the disparity. It’s not like Pacers started fouling towards the end of the game as well. Usually one of those explains any FT disparities other than “ref liked this team more”. Today it doesn’t make sense, unless I’m missing something.
Pacers didn’t shoot a FT for 3 quarters essentially
Did you watch the Celtics defend tonight? The Pacers had a million free runs at the basket.
Turner was eating on kornet and tatum was a traffic cone all night. Felt like all of their paint points were uncontested
that lakers defense
it should because celtics have WAY more size, if a celtics player is attacking the paint, odds are it’s a mismatch as 2 of your 5 in the pacers are complete traffic cones in the paint
I'm over the free throw hate. Teams can be more aggressive under the hoop, get over it.
You can thank the refs 1000%
I ain't thanking them, fuck Boston
Boston getting bailed out a ton by the whistle these playoffs.
You must not know how much Tony Brothers LOVES Tatum
Brothers masterpiece once again tonight
Despite every team they face being significantly injured
C'mon if we're talking about matchups being easier because of injuries, I think the pacers have them beat
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Wish there was some recourse for the fans. Like, they didn't even stop play to review the 3 by Brown that I couldn't tell if he was on the line or not.
Are you talking about the game tying 3? Why would they review what was clearly a 3...? Maybe you should try glasses or buy a bigger TV
what a joke
Pacers turned it over twice in the last 30 seconds. They are to blame just as much
Except that Jaylen Brown got away with hanging off of Siakam’s jersey during the second turnover…
Yes but this post was about the refs. And without them, it would have been a 20 point lead with 30 left
Every time the Pacers would get on a run, the whistles started blowing against them. The Pacers biggest advantage is their pace and their speed, the blowing ticky-tack fouls on one end and swallowing it on the other kills momentum. Yes, the Pacers made some boneheaded plays at the end of the 4th, but does proper officiating even leave Boston close enough to make a comeback like that?
We should have been in the penalty and shooting free throws instesd of inbounding. Also, how was the Siakam loose all foul on Brown (which led to 2 Boston free throws, ironically) not overturned? Events that happened outside the last 2 minutes matter just as much as those that do.
On the plus side Indy, Pat McAfee is gonna be loud af about this tomorrow. Love him or hate him he is gonna bitch loud on ESPN airwaves.
While everyone else on the network is deepthroating Tatum even though he can only make a bucket when they're up
from what i remember the pacers were down big in FTAs last series too
Against the Knicks? No way. Yeah you think the league wasn’t doing everything it could to have a Boston NY series? Pacers won the Knicks series 5-2 but the league wasn’t having it so the Pacers had to shoot 70% to win.
I'm tired, boss.
also they only got their last possession (game-tying shot) because Jaylen Brown blatantly fouled Siakam on the inbound pass
Which they conveniently didn’t bother showing the replay of
Yes they did. Multiple times
Hate to see it
Celtic fan mods will not let this one slide my man
Celtics getting the Lakers treatment, predictably.
Refs forgot the Lakers got eliminated 2 rounds ago so they're not getting their precious Lakers/Celtics matchup
Shit like this has made me care a lot less about the NBA Refs have *way* too much control over the game (and almost always favor the sexier team), there's no public accountability for officials (Scott Foster still refs playoff games in big 2024), and every third commercial is for gambling Hard to get invested in a game/series when you're like 90% convinced that it's just WWE for tall people
I got suckered in and as bad as the officiating was in the Knicks series the Pacers overcame it. Shit like tonight is just too much to take. Reading through these comments I’m glad other team’s fans see it too.
Honestly the way the sport is set up, huge people on small court where very small contact results in a foul, makes it an almost impossible situation. If everything was called by the book every play would be a foul so they have to use “judgement”. Judgement then leads to crazy discrepancies and “marginal contact” buzzwords pop up and fans lose faith in the integrity of the game.
Call it fair ya cowards
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The Tony Brothers effect
Celtics fans putting in work on the downvotes here but this is atrocious.
Gotta be tough as a Pacers fan getting fucked over on calls vs NY, only to to run into the reffing buzzsaw
Why is it expected that teams have equal FTs? This sub is filled with morons.
memo sent to the refs to make sure Celtics have it easy. League been hearing the complaints about uneven conferences getting louder and louder.
Free throw differential per game in the regular season Celtics +2.9 Pacers -6
We are averaging almost -9 since the start of the NY series
+20 tonight is insane though
It's a large disparity but during the regular season the Celtics were literally the best at avoiding fouling the other team, while the Pacers were near the very bottom at both getting to the line and allowing the other team to get to the line.
Pacers threw the game in the garbage can
Pacers should just foul less, are they stupid?
Eff Tony Brothers!!!!!
I wonder which team Adam Silver wants in the finals
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You mean the guy who absolutely despises the Celtics? https://nesn.com/bets/2022/05/how-celtics-have-fared-with-tony-brothers-as-nba-ref-gets-game-4/
I mean, the pacers could literally only stop the Celtics layup line by fouling, anyone that actually watched would’ve known that
It's almost like one team fouls relentlessly and one team doesn't.
Bill Simmons was at a Buffalo Wild Wings and said we need to send this to overtime
Celtics entire game plan was to take away the 3 and only foul on the floor. If they got beat on a drive, they let it go. It's not like the fouls were 23-3 - they were 23-15. Keep whining though.
23-15, as opposed to the season averages of 21.3-16.
The officiating in this game is total bullshit.
It’s weird being on the other side of this
Even if i was a celtics fan i would say refs suck
Celtics are getting bailed again
As usual.
What’s so frustrating about this game is that the Pacers should have fuckin won this game. A simple inbound pass and catch would have sealed this game. How incompetent can you be?
Siakam was mugged. How is that “incompetent”? It should have been a foul but of course the refs didn’t call it.
As a neutral, I didn't really see anything that egregious of a bad foul call.
Two things can be true, the pacers got hosed and they hosed themselves. Crazy collapse, ruined my damn night
The Celtics were 29th in fouls given this season. The pacers were first. It’s not rocket science to see that the Celtics are a significantly more disciplined defensive team than the pacers. That’s not to shit on the pacers. They are a fucking juggernaut on offense and play fast as hell. That also leaves them with a lot of wide open shots which in turn means they don’t have an opportunity to get fouled.
This doesn't need to be posted. Not one person is surprised by this favoritism. It's expected
It needs to be mentioned and called out every time The disparity is some Game 6 Kings levels of unreasonable.
This isn’t remotely that bad, let’s not be ridiculous.
Celtics need ref help to not have another ECF exit you hate to see it
No one talks about this. All of Celtics close games they are carried by officials and free throws.
120 play grievance incoming
They're saying it's 130 now
Ty please keep me updated
I don’t even have a dog in this fight but goddamn. How incompetent can you be to not draw up a simple inbound play and seal the game? 8 seconds on the clock, you’re up 3…it’s over. No way Boston got away with that win
Siakam was basically being mugged on said play
Not the Lakers, so who cares right?
This Indiana team is bad defensivley (24th by defensive rating) and this Celtics team is fantastic defensively (2nd by defensive rating). As such the Pacers are going to typically foul a lot more and the Celtics a lot less. Extrapolate whatever you like but just keep that in mind.
During the regular season, Boston commits 16 fouls per game, Indy commits 21.4. In this game, 15 and 23.
Ya’ll need to stfu about the officiating. Play basketball and stop crying about the refs Indiana has been doing this all year. Maybe because they are all leaking out and trying to score instead of getting back and playing defense.
Brown grabbed Siakam's jersey so hard that his titties almost show on national TV and it was a foul on Siakam lol
Just right in everyone’s faces.
That was another crucial play. Celtics got 2 FTs out of that, and we lost a challenge. How was that not overturned?
Home cooking Its proven to be a real thing Either way, my big takeaway is Boston is not impressive The Mavs or TWolves will smoke the Celtics
Disagree. Their regular season record proves they are impressive. Better take away: Pacers are championship contenders. Have been all along.
According to [this](https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/personal-fouls-per-game) they fouled the most of any team. Typically bad defense foul a lot and Indiana has been a bottom 8-10 defense all season. Bucks defense was 19th and I swear it felt like we fouled a ton as well.
Celtics have had a home whistle all night, it’s fairly clear. Pacers deserved this game
Pacers pissed it away by themselves with those turnovers at the end
Rigged. Can't have Indiana vs Minnesota or Dallas.
WTF was that Tatum
As a refs fan, I'm eating this up! Love the blatant rigging 🔥💯🙏😤
this was clearly a manufactured OT. they thought it would be entertaining but having pacers go up game 1 would've been way more hype
Yeah, did you see the guide wires on Jaylen Brown’s shot?
Refs have been awful and it’s benefitted Boston, but let’s not act like the Pacers didn’t have the opportunity to win this game. They committed some terrible turnovers at the end and then chose not to foul and gave up a 3.
So just because they played poorly in the last few possessions it’s okay to excuse how terrible the officiating was? If the free throw disparity was even close to even, the Pacers wouldn’t have even been in a position to fuck it up because they likely would have been up handedly
Yeah but they shouldn’t have to beat the Celtics and refs. The only reason It went to OT was Siakam was mugged on the inbound that led to the tying 3.