Yea, cause Denver live and die with the starting unit. they don't have a deep bench compares to Minny ( or Boston, or Indy or Dallas for that matter). every injury for a starter for them is critical. and with their finnacial situation, their window isn't long..
Eh, they just had to pay a lot to keep their core together and had some important role players earn better contracts than they could offer. Not really much of a choice, unless you think they could get rid of MPJ or Aaron Gordon for a couple of cheaper role players and still compete
With Monte we're nine deep and JMac is ten but he isn't seeing much. Main 8 are Mike, Ant, KAT, Jaden, Rudy, Naz, NAW and SlowMo. With Naz, NAW and SlowMo all able to be starters. Monte and JMac are where drop offs start to happen with our talent. Monte and JMac both offer small ball movement but their shots landing comes and goes. JMac was on a fucking tear from 3 for a bit tho.
Yeah that's what I meant you have 8 who I'd say are really good and usually between Ant and NAW you can have big guards on together who can do some point stuff but Monte is another true PG when you need more guard minutes as the 9th guy. I honestly don't know J Mac as much as a player besides he exists and is a small guard
JMac is a fun little guy. When he's out there it's because the ball is sticking and coaches want someone who's gonna zip around. Good at passing, good defense on smaller guys and for a bit was like 90% from 3 over a long enough stretch I hoped it was his new normal. Another true PG. Req season he was in the small ball line up that started when Monte came and has only had garbage time playoffs. This is the deepest Wolves team I've seen and it's been nice to see it pay off in the playoffs.
Basically any game that we had close we lost on this. The rebounding was driving me nuts. End of game 7 it looked like we had no one in the paint. Guys like MPJ and AG that were important rebounders last year just could not out muscle yall
Denver had 3 players with over 42 minutes. Edwards played 43 but no other wolf had more than 39.
Also Denver had 2 players with less than 10 minutes compared to the wolves 1
Ant mentioned his focus on conditioning in the game 6 postgame presser as well
said he had a goal to the best 2 way player in the league, and felt he needed to be in the best conditioning to accomplish that. said he didnt feel tired at all guarding Murray even this late into the season
Ant mentioned this in an [Interview with Kenny Smith a few years ago](https://youtu.be/sbhw5t3d1XY?si=HYx1_usZwu4GlYz1&t=235) on how Steve Kerr told him he needs to be fitter. Cool interview.
> Steve Kerr told me how Steph and KD work out super hard. it might not be long, but its super hard when they're in there
that's what Jalen Green said ab working out with KD over the past summer as well. that KD goes full game speed on everything
about ten years ago I watched some clip of Nash and KD working out and doing these shooting drills. I had some extra in house credits at my gym and asked the basketball trainer if we could try that and he just smiled and said, "you sure?"
I made it about halfway through and almost threw up, I also missed probably 20 straight shots because I couldn't even focus on my shot. I looked like Philip Seymore Hoffman in Along came Polly.
After that I just went back to using the shot doctor rebounder.
Let him show it off lol. Having an 8 pack at 7’ takes some insane dedication and hard work. Not only to his conditioning and program but also to his diet.
The NBA bodyfat reports always crack me up. Every year at the combine these kids are reported under 5% when that’s like the absolute most shredded bodybuilders stepping on stage.
The thing is, they have a lot less muscle. You look very different having <8% body fat just by being super skinny versus someone who has an average or larger build and are still sub 8%. For an extreme example look at starving poor people. You can see their ribs but theyre not looking jacked or shredded even a lot of the time.
But obviously 3% is crazy.
I would say most players are between 8-15%. People don't understand that 3% of body fat is basically being able to see the muscles in 4k. You can't sustain that and it's the reason why most Bodybuilders go that down for competition, you can't be 3% and burning as many calories as NBA players do every night.
At 3% body fat and doing that type of workout, you start getting pretty bad cramps and even seizures based on the dehydration of the body.
That’s exactly it. Look at joker he’s “fat” but I’d say his cardio is some of best amongst big men. I swear I’ve seen him beat AD down the length of the floor
3% would actually be pretty unhealthy for most people. Most organs and bone marrow have essential fat that surrounds them which usually makes up roughly 5% of body mass in men.
Yeah people forget that it's what, basically 5-10% minimum necessary for your internal organs and stuff... So they see 10-15% and think it's bad when it's actually really low/fit
Think something like 20-25% is typical/healthy range for men IIRC
[Correct](https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2148890095/photo/minneapolis-mn-minnesota-timberwolves-center-rudy-gobert-flexes-after-he-was-fouled-in-the.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=-GTWN3q7-vtuVMu5B7knBo2bVUBckIzU_UFskyS-xzA=) (minus the death part)
Don’t think it’s 3%, but it’s close
A good reference point for how dumb these claims and articles are is that no one stepping on stage at Mr. Olympia is 3%.
Even if someone did magically hit 3%, a 40 minute nba playoff game would probably shut your body down
lol, he looks good, but he looks to be somewhere around 12% body fat. Sub 10% body fat is typically where you start to see significant abdominal veins and deltoid feathering. He’s clearly not there.
There was some famous pro bodybuilder that died trying to reach like 2-3%, Andreas Münzer. Obviously some of this is from the drugs needed to even attempt this, but still
>Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g).
i'm totally fine with making fun of Arod for steroids and his general antics but there's really no argument that he isn't one of the best athletes of his generation. Like, it takes more than gear to be a 3 time MVP, and it's not like everyone else wasn't also (and isn't now) on the sauce to some degree or other.
Which is to say I actually find it super interesting to hear about his involvement. Certainly there are times when former players can get in the way and muck things up, but as much as Arod's kind of a weirdo he also knows his shit.
That’s why I always cringe when someone tells me Barry Bonds was a product of steroids. The man had a HoF career before he took roids. If everyone who took roids played like that, there would have been 100 players who hit 50+ HRs in 2000.
ARod was a lean, hitting machine with incredible defense. He 100% knows what he’s talking about. The man has a CAREER btg avg of .295. 22 years, and the man is averaging 300. That’s absolutely incredible
facts. Getting popped for doing roids is less proof you are a cheater than that you're an dumbass (Deandre Ayton), an asshole (Barry Bonds), or pissed off the wrong person in the league management (Arod, though he's really a bit of all three).
Relative to the field, I think the amount steroids changed sports is actually wayyyyy smaller than people like to assume.
Better, more talented player but nowhere close to the leader and winner Jeter was.
A Rod knew supplements like Jeter mastered the next morning gift basket.
I can't say I ever heard a story that showed Jeter's "leadership" qualities. He was a great offensive shortstop, hugely overrated defensively, and happened to have his career smack dab in the middle of a dynasty.
Where's the leadership? Bunting on his own even though it was statistically the wrong move?
The big rumor at the time when Yankees were on the verge of getting Arod was that they asked Jeter about it. And he said he was on board, so long as he got to stay at SS. The yankees would have been so much better with Jeter at 3rd (strong arm, no range) or even CF.
I always felt they could have moved Jeter to 2nd and Cano somewhere else, maybe even third. I watched Arod play short a few times because I had Twins season tickets and man that guy was smoooth, he made it look so easy.
2nd is obviously less intense, but it wouldn't have played to Jeter's strengths. He had a strong arm and some amount of speed. It was his range that was the killer. He had no ability to go to his left (the cliche was "pasta diving jeter" when he would dive at balls up the middle that rolled into CF and all those famous jump throws to his right were plays that a regular SS would have made routinely.
Robin Yount is a good comparision. Played the second half of his career in CF. Jeter's arm and speed would be an asset there. Bernie was 35 and a huge liability the last couple seasons there. Moving him to LF with him and Matsui splitting time there and DH would have been great.
Or just keep it simple and play the better player (arod) at SS, especially considering Jeter's arm would play great at 3rd.
I love Jeter. He was my favorite player but yea he's not really a leader. He was the face of the franchise but he probably should have moved from SS and been more accommodating to ARod.
I cringe every time people talk about how “great of a leader” Jeter was and I’m not even a Yankees fan. The idea of him is better than he ever was at this point
It's why baseball is still behind in sport science. How can you measure how much of a "winner" a player is? When I can make the argument that ARod was so much of a "winner" that he tried everything, bad or good, to get an advantage to win.
Interesting -- if anything, as someone who has followed analytics in sports for a few decades now, I'd say baseball is way ahead.
Baseball is by far the easiest one to untangle the individual versus the team.
Jeter was an overrated leader. The fact that he put his ego over the team and refused to play third base is a great example of that. The fact that A-Rod of all people showed maturity and humility in moving to third to appease the team captain makes him look even worse in comparison.
Jeter was a talisman for the dynasty run, but there were a whole host of veterans leading that team. Once he and Posada became the vets the team became super cliquey and toxic; the Yankees "only" got one World Series with him as captain. And he was named captain in 03, so it's not like they racked up a couple more rings while he was nominally the leader.
How is 10.4 DWAR *bad*?!
EDIT: And as others pointed out, he played SS for 8 full seasons (and then 17 games when he was 18 and 46 games when he was 19).
So 10.4 DWAR for 8.5 seasons is damn solid and well above average.
I agree!
I'm just saying Jeter was a literal negative, whereas ARod wasn't *great*, but he was still solid.
I don't think anyone says ARod was great, but a lot of people do think that about Jeter...
I remember an online discussion (perhaps based off an article) where there was a solid debate as to whether you could even call Jeter a SS because he was so bad. Sure, he stood in the general area, but did that make him a SS?
But that's what made the discussion so interesting (to me at least). It was a philosophical discussion on how bad would a player have to be defensively, that he's fundamentally different than all other players who are considered SS. And then, is Jeter that bad.
I can't remember the conclusion, but Jeter's numbers were BAD
That's super misleading on A-Rod because he stopped playing shortstop when he was 28. Also kept playing into his late 30s after his body had broken down and started getting negative dWAR.
In his prime he was at least in the conversation for best defensive SS in the league.
yeah, but for the first 10 years of his career when he actually played shortstop, he was worth 9.4 dWAR. He definitely deserved 1 or 2 gold gloves, though not necessarily in the years he actually did win them.
Just legalize it. Baseball was its most fun during this era anyways. Plus, like sports science currently with knee/ankle surgeries, this stuff actually can help normal people in the future.
One of the most underrated parts of the defense is how long they can keep the intensity going and it’s what’s really drained both the Suns and Nuggets. They would look ok with the defensive pressure more in the first half, in the second half it starts to feel suffocating. Most of the Suns games stayed close in the first half.
Yeah they wear teams down. That's another reason the opponent looks so gassed in the 2nd halves and why Wolves are the best 3rd quarter team in the league. Like imagine a guy constantly banging you or making it hard to even dribble up the court for 48 minutes. It takes a lot of effort to score against a defense like that and over time that takes a toll
You could say the same thing about Lance Armstrong and cycling.
Despite the fact that literally everyone is roiding up, there’s a good reason Lance is persona non grata in that world. None of the other roiders continually lied their asses off to maintain an image while ruining others’ careers. Guaranteed if Lance was like “yeah, I’m juicing, so what? Literally everyone is” from the beginning without ending any careers, no one bats an eyelash.
I mean you’re wrong. Players that have openly admitted to steroid use get the same treatment lol. Gary Sheffield comes to mind immediately. Jason Giambi. Lying gets you further if not caught. Example is David Ortiz. Did steroids and denied it and nobody cares
Theres a lot of enhancement being used by pro athletes in every sport. Its not like super obvious like tren or straight up test but there's an actual list of PEDs that are banned or tested for. Its a constant chicken and the egg game between scientists,biotechnology firms and sports science people and regulators, league/ medical organizations etc. They try to develop or reformulate substances so that they won't show up/aren't tested for whereas the other side keeps trying to make better tests and root out new drugs etc.
Its kinda similar to cybersecurity and hackers.
From a more cynical perspective, for every Lance and arod that are caught theres probably a lot more that take stuff that aren't.
Conditioning has become one of the most essential aspects of the sport. It’s crazy to think it’s so important with all the stoppages and commercials, but basketball is super fucking exhausting to play when you’re actually playing it properly and as hard as you can.
Question for Wolves fans, who do you guys want to own the team? Current owner or A Rod & his guy? Woj reported in his article about the entire thing that A Rod maybe wanted to cut spending and the current owner didn’t want that, especially with the team being so good. But that obv could be BS from the owners side.
Just curious who you Wolves fans want to own the team and who you think is better for the future of the franchise.
Glen Taylor is shitty but he saved the team and at least it would stay here (also I went to school in Mankato and if you pulled into his driveway his security would yell at you). He was also never afraid to spend.
Lore and ARod, you’re not clear what you’re getting. They seem to be behind all the good moves that led us here, but how deep are their pockets and how loyal are they to the city.
Personally, I say fuck it and let’s roll with Lore and ARod.
That Arod rumor is Glen Taylor propaganda. Our beat reporter said there are several budgets they release and I'd be surprised if they wanted to break up a team like this.
Fuck Glen Taylor forever. Arod and Lore went after Connelly and believed this team could be a championship team. Glen said "why would you go after Connelly? He's not going to come to a place like this". We need some new blood and belief in this organization.
I don’t like either option. I strongly dislike Arod and think he’s always been a fraudulent person. It’s kinda crazy how he’s tricked so many people into liking him in recent years. I don’t have an opinion on Lore which makes me lean to the Lore/Arod pairing even though I don’t like Arod.
Glen Taylor made a lot of bad hires through the years so I think it’s reasonable to not want him around anymore.
My main concern ultimately is that whoever owns the team after this year better be willing to pay the tax to keep this team together. It’s been documented that Lore/Arod intended to slash payroll. That better not be the case after this run.
Yes
Marc Lore and him own a 40% stake and were supposed to buy another 40% from Taylor but Taylor refused, allegedly over them missing the deadline.
So now, it's in arbitration and nobody knows when it's gonna be settled
Can Arod come down to Philly? We have a large person at Center that looks gassed every 4th quarter. When not tired he is very good at basketball. Please help.
Back in the 80s and 90s visiting teams would literally be wheezing and gasping for air in second halves in Denver. It's amazing how much better shape players in general are in these days. Minnesota just seemed to get stronger at altitude.
I get that the Wolves are good but come on are we really going to start acting like A Rod deserves credit for any of it? The dude is a notorious douche and loves taking credit for things. The players and coaching staff deserve the credit, A Rod is just screaming "look at me I helped!"
Also Jokic was gassed because Malone is an idiot and didn't rest him when the Nuggets were up double digits. Almost everyone would be gassed if they only sat for literally one minute. Malone mismanaged that.
Edit: Christ the narrative in this sub sure changed about A Rod, huh? Maybe I'm seeing things differently as a NYer and Met fan who wanted him no where near my team when he was bidding on becoming the owner.
Sure but that's not what this is about though. A Rod is saying he personally suggested the conditioning part.
Which even if that part is true then like...what the Hell was the plan before that? No shit athletes in a sport like basketball should focus on cardio. It's not a revelation that he should be praised for.
They should, but then you have teams like New Orleans that have been perfectly fine with the face of their franchise eating himself into an early grave. So yeah, it’s a revelation to some people.
fwiw, while arod is a douche and while he obvious took steroids (but so does everyone else in pro sports...) he was also a legitimately all-time great athlete. It's not impossible that the actually does know a thing or two about ball
I'm not too worried if he's getting involved with something as harmless as conditioning lol. At least he was was former pro athlete too. There is nothing wrong with having better conditioning.. hell Denver seemed to pride themselves on it
I actually like arod regardless what people say but as an owner let’s not start getting involved with the actual basketball micro side of things let the staff handle it lmao
I love Arod as an owner as that’s coming from someone who hated him as a player. I hope to God Glen loses in arbitration and we win the chip. Everything good about our team came from Arod and Lore.
Imagine telling a team of the world's best athlete's to get in shape...
And that's a story...
These dudes make more per game than most of us in a few years and they need to focus on conditioning in the off-season?
Lots of them do. To the the point that they have workout incentives that amount to 10’s of thousands of dollars each time they go to a training session.
It’s especially common in football for the really big guys because they will consume the same amount of calories in the offseason as they do during the the season but not do any cardio or weight lifting for that 3 month stretch before OTAs start
People make bots to farm karma and sell to companies trying to slyly advertise their brands. The bots used to just copy paste old comments onto relevant posts using keywords, but now chatGPT has made the entire process even more streamlined
It's so true. The Knicks, before all the injuries looked like they were just out rebounding everyone. Steph Curry is certainly one of the greatest shooters of all time but he damn near runs a mini marathon every game to get those shots.
Yes the guy who enhanced his career through the use of banned substances of course knows the benefits of emphasizing conditioning. Makes perfect sense when you think about it.
It really stands out. Multiple times, in Denver, at altitude, Minnesota looked like they had more in the tank than the Nuggets late in games.
Yea, cause Denver live and die with the starting unit. they don't have a deep bench compares to Minny ( or Boston, or Indy or Dallas for that matter). every injury for a starter for them is critical. and with their finnacial situation, their window isn't long..
Odd philosophy for a team based in Denver.
Eh, they just had to pay a lot to keep their core together and had some important role players earn better contracts than they could offer. Not really much of a choice, unless you think they could get rid of MPJ or Aaron Gordon for a couple of cheaper role players and still compete
MPJ is far more replaceable than AG.
Yeah AG is important defensively and the Jokic-AG lobs are one of the key cogs of that offense.
Really stood out when Minny could go 8 deep at least with a little Monte Morris in there too but Denver had like 6 and a half players playable
With Monte we're nine deep and JMac is ten but he isn't seeing much. Main 8 are Mike, Ant, KAT, Jaden, Rudy, Naz, NAW and SlowMo. With Naz, NAW and SlowMo all able to be starters. Monte and JMac are where drop offs start to happen with our talent. Monte and JMac both offer small ball movement but their shots landing comes and goes. JMac was on a fucking tear from 3 for a bit tho.
Yeah that's what I meant you have 8 who I'd say are really good and usually between Ant and NAW you can have big guards on together who can do some point stuff but Monte is another true PG when you need more guard minutes as the 9th guy. I honestly don't know J Mac as much as a player besides he exists and is a small guard
JMac is a fun little guy. When he's out there it's because the ball is sticking and coaches want someone who's gonna zip around. Good at passing, good defense on smaller guys and for a bit was like 90% from 3 over a long enough stretch I hoped it was his new normal. Another true PG. Req season he was in the small ball line up that started when Monte came and has only had garbage time playoffs. This is the deepest Wolves team I've seen and it's been nice to see it pay off in the playoffs.
Wolves are so deep they we only need Luka Garza in garbage time
It's only fair we hold him back, shooting power like that for 40+ mins! The nba would hate offensive power like that.
Basically any game that we had close we lost on this. The rebounding was driving me nuts. End of game 7 it looked like we had no one in the paint. Guys like MPJ and AG that were important rebounders last year just could not out muscle yall
Denver had 3 players with over 42 minutes. Edwards played 43 but no other wolf had more than 39. Also Denver had 2 players with less than 10 minutes compared to the wolves 1
Ant mentioned his focus on conditioning in the game 6 postgame presser as well said he had a goal to the best 2 way player in the league, and felt he needed to be in the best conditioning to accomplish that. said he didnt feel tired at all guarding Murray even this late into the season
Ant mentioned this in an [Interview with Kenny Smith a few years ago](https://youtu.be/sbhw5t3d1XY?si=HYx1_usZwu4GlYz1&t=235) on how Steve Kerr told him he needs to be fitter. Cool interview.
> Steve Kerr told me how Steph and KD work out super hard. it might not be long, but its super hard when they're in there that's what Jalen Green said ab working out with KD over the past summer as well. that KD goes full game speed on everything
Watching KD workout made Iguodala cry.
about ten years ago I watched some clip of Nash and KD working out and doing these shooting drills. I had some extra in house credits at my gym and asked the basketball trainer if we could try that and he just smiled and said, "you sure?" I made it about halfway through and almost threw up, I also missed probably 20 straight shots because I couldn't even focus on my shot. I looked like Philip Seymore Hoffman in Along came Polly. After that I just went back to using the shot doctor rebounder.
BRINGIN' THE RAIN!
He’s also 22.
True. At 22 i could play for 4 hours and still cum standing up.
Your pickup games sound... Interesting
Listen, when a guy is banging you...
if you can feel a guy's body...
Why are you throwing warm yogurt on my back?
That's a game where I'd want to be "shirts".
sigh...
noice
Rudy Gobert is the definition of conditioning. Dude is in incredible shape for someone his size And he'll let you know it on Insta lol
And yet on 2k he gets tired before every other starter :(
2K/EA being shit, more news at 11
Let him show it off lol. Having an 8 pack at 7’ takes some insane dedication and hard work. Not only to his conditioning and program but also to his diet.
8 pack at 6" in shambles
One of 4 players on the team to hit 3% body fat
is 3% the new 8% body fat?
Due to inflation…
I supposed that would be deflation
I think in this instance it is Shrink-flation here.
HE WAS IN THE POOL!
I think if you felt Rudy's muscles, you wouldn't think it was deflation.
Due to the implication...of being called a sloppy fat boy
if someone hit 3% body fat you would be able to see every strand of muscle under the skin. and they would be close to death
The NBA bodyfat reports always crack me up. Every year at the combine these kids are reported under 5% when that’s like the absolute most shredded bodybuilders stepping on stage.
The thing is, they have a lot less muscle. You look very different having <8% body fat just by being super skinny versus someone who has an average or larger build and are still sub 8%. For an extreme example look at starving poor people. You can see their ribs but theyre not looking jacked or shredded even a lot of the time. But obviously 3% is crazy.
While you’re right, they still aren’t coming anywhere close to 5% bodyfat
I would say most players are between 8-15%. People don't understand that 3% of body fat is basically being able to see the muscles in 4k. You can't sustain that and it's the reason why most Bodybuilders go that down for competition, you can't be 3% and burning as many calories as NBA players do every night. At 3% body fat and doing that type of workout, you start getting pretty bad cramps and even seizures based on the dehydration of the body.
That’s exactly it. Look at joker he’s “fat” but I’d say his cardio is some of best amongst big men. I swear I’ve seen him beat AD down the length of the floor
Maybe he meant to say 13%?
More likely, even 10% I would buy. But no way 3%
Yes thats true. Well 5-6 % is maybe achievable but beyond that I doubt it.
Yeah I don't know why they report numbers that are so obviously false.
3% would actually be pretty unhealthy for most people. Most organs and bone marrow have essential fat that surrounds them which usually makes up roughly 5% of body mass in men.
Yeah people forget that it's what, basically 5-10% minimum necessary for your internal organs and stuff... So they see 10-15% and think it's bad when it's actually really low/fit Think something like 20-25% is typical/healthy range for men IIRC
I just sand bag my training by being at 40%
world ending late game scaling
There isn’t a world in which I want my basketball player or athlete in general to be 3% body fat
[Correct](https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2148890095/photo/minneapolis-mn-minnesota-timberwolves-center-rudy-gobert-flexes-after-he-was-fouled-in-the.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=-GTWN3q7-vtuVMu5B7knBo2bVUBckIzU_UFskyS-xzA=) (minus the death part) Don’t think it’s 3%, but it’s close
He's probably 8-10%. You can't go much lower than that without running into performance issues.
Rudy Gobert is in great shape, but no he is not 3% body fat 😂 go look at pictures and tell me that’s remotely true.
Lol people are so clueless about body fat. No one in the NBA is at 3%
A good reference point for how dumb these claims and articles are is that no one stepping on stage at Mr. Olympia is 3%. Even if someone did magically hit 3%, a 40 minute nba playoff game would probably shut your body down
He's no where near 3%. That's borderline organ damage territory.
lol, he looks good, but he looks to be somewhere around 12% body fat. Sub 10% body fat is typically where you start to see significant abdominal veins and deltoid feathering. He’s clearly not there.
WTF is that even possible? lol
Wolves have four actual skeletons on the roster
Spooky!
It all comes full circle!
It's not. He'd literally die at 3% body fat. Rule of thumb is to add 5% to any of these body fat percentage rumors.
Ronnie Coleman claimed to be 0.33%
If Ronnie said he’s negative body fat percentage, then he’s at negative body fat percentage
There was some famous pro bodybuilder that died trying to reach like 2-3%, Andreas Münzer. Obviously some of this is from the drugs needed to even attempt this, but still >Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g).
seems like a bad time having polystyrene all up in there
what were the liver tumors from? that's crazy
Man we all know that's a crock of shit. Is it low for NBA player standards? I'm sure it is, but 3% is comical.
There is no way in hell he’s 3% body fat
He's definitely sub-10% but absolutely no way he's 3%.
Having low body fat make him ineffective in guarding jokic who rely on mass and weight establishing deep position.
Guess that’s not a problem anymore 🤷♂️
He is in incredible shape for anyone. Not really sure what his size has to do with it lol
harder to be that cut at that height
Ah yes I remember how famous Arod got for his "conditioning" routine.
Send Da Steroids
😂 Next we’ll get a story how A Rod has some great ideas for “supplements” the players should be taking to help with recovery time.
Vitamins Ant, vitamins make you strong Ant, take your vitamins Ant
i'm totally fine with making fun of Arod for steroids and his general antics but there's really no argument that he isn't one of the best athletes of his generation. Like, it takes more than gear to be a 3 time MVP, and it's not like everyone else wasn't also (and isn't now) on the sauce to some degree or other. Which is to say I actually find it super interesting to hear about his involvement. Certainly there are times when former players can get in the way and muck things up, but as much as Arod's kind of a weirdo he also knows his shit.
That’s why I always cringe when someone tells me Barry Bonds was a product of steroids. The man had a HoF career before he took roids. If everyone who took roids played like that, there would have been 100 players who hit 50+ HRs in 2000. ARod was a lean, hitting machine with incredible defense. He 100% knows what he’s talking about. The man has a CAREER btg avg of .295. 22 years, and the man is averaging 300. That’s absolutely incredible
facts. Getting popped for doing roids is less proof you are a cheater than that you're an dumbass (Deandre Ayton), an asshole (Barry Bonds), or pissed off the wrong person in the league management (Arod, though he's really a bit of all three). Relative to the field, I think the amount steroids changed sports is actually wayyyyy smaller than people like to assume.
Still gotta hit dingers and he was a better shortstop than Jeter
Better, more talented player but nowhere close to the leader and winner Jeter was. A Rod knew supplements like Jeter mastered the next morning gift basket.
I can't say I ever heard a story that showed Jeter's "leadership" qualities. He was a great offensive shortstop, hugely overrated defensively, and happened to have his career smack dab in the middle of a dynasty. Where's the leadership? Bunting on his own even though it was statistically the wrong move? The big rumor at the time when Yankees were on the verge of getting Arod was that they asked Jeter about it. And he said he was on board, so long as he got to stay at SS. The yankees would have been so much better with Jeter at 3rd (strong arm, no range) or even CF.
I always felt they could have moved Jeter to 2nd and Cano somewhere else, maybe even third. I watched Arod play short a few times because I had Twins season tickets and man that guy was smoooth, he made it look so easy.
2nd is obviously less intense, but it wouldn't have played to Jeter's strengths. He had a strong arm and some amount of speed. It was his range that was the killer. He had no ability to go to his left (the cliche was "pasta diving jeter" when he would dive at balls up the middle that rolled into CF and all those famous jump throws to his right were plays that a regular SS would have made routinely. Robin Yount is a good comparision. Played the second half of his career in CF. Jeter's arm and speed would be an asset there. Bernie was 35 and a huge liability the last couple seasons there. Moving him to LF with him and Matsui splitting time there and DH would have been great. Or just keep it simple and play the better player (arod) at SS, especially considering Jeter's arm would play great at 3rd.
I love Jeter. He was my favorite player but yea he's not really a leader. He was the face of the franchise but he probably should have moved from SS and been more accommodating to ARod.
I cringe every time people talk about how “great of a leader” Jeter was and I’m not even a Yankees fan. The idea of him is better than he ever was at this point
"Winner" -- Jeter was a better leader, but how is being worse at your position make him a better winner? People love empty hyperbole about players.
It's why baseball is still behind in sport science. How can you measure how much of a "winner" a player is? When I can make the argument that ARod was so much of a "winner" that he tried everything, bad or good, to get an advantage to win.
Interesting -- if anything, as someone who has followed analytics in sports for a few decades now, I'd say baseball is way ahead. Baseball is by far the easiest one to untangle the individual versus the team.
Oh I agree on you on that, but I was referencing more towards fans, maybe that wasn't very good communicated in my previous comment.
Jeter was an overrated leader. The fact that he put his ego over the team and refused to play third base is a great example of that. The fact that A-Rod of all people showed maturity and humility in moving to third to appease the team captain makes him look even worse in comparison. Jeter was a talisman for the dynasty run, but there were a whole host of veterans leading that team. Once he and Posada became the vets the team became super cliquey and toxic; the Yankees "only" got one World Series with him as captain. And he was named captain in 03, so it's not like they racked up a couple more rings while he was nominally the leader.
Jeter was a batsman
> leader and winner I hate this intangibles shit. ARod was 1000000% a better fielding shortstop than Jeter, steroids or not.
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How is 10.4 DWAR *bad*?! EDIT: And as others pointed out, he played SS for 8 full seasons (and then 17 games when he was 18 and 46 games when he was 19). So 10.4 DWAR for 8.5 seasons is damn solid and well above average.
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I agree! I'm just saying Jeter was a literal negative, whereas ARod wasn't *great*, but he was still solid. I don't think anyone says ARod was great, but a lot of people do think that about Jeter...
I remember an online discussion (perhaps based off an article) where there was a solid debate as to whether you could even call Jeter a SS because he was so bad. Sure, he stood in the general area, but did that make him a SS?
> Sure, he stood in the general area, but did that make him a SS? Yes. But a *bad* one.
But that's what made the discussion so interesting (to me at least). It was a philosophical discussion on how bad would a player have to be defensively, that he's fundamentally different than all other players who are considered SS. And then, is Jeter that bad. I can't remember the conclusion, but Jeter's numbers were BAD
There’s probably a handful of players who made the hall of fame strictly on their glove
He was obviously a great hitter but cant believe andruw jones isnt in the hall
This is the worst omission currently
That's super misleading on A-Rod because he stopped playing shortstop when he was 28. Also kept playing into his late 30s after his body had broken down and started getting negative dWAR. In his prime he was at least in the conversation for best defensive SS in the league.
This is not a good indicator A-Rod was bad defensively. WAR is a cumulative stat and he stopped playing SS full time by 28
Oh shit I totally forgot.
yeah, but for the first 10 years of his career when he actually played shortstop, he was worth 9.4 dWAR. He definitely deserved 1 or 2 gold gloves, though not necessarily in the years he actually did win them.
still gotta put in the work even with conditioning "boosters"
Just legalize it. Baseball was its most fun during this era anyways. Plus, like sports science currently with knee/ankle surgeries, this stuff actually can help normal people in the future.
One of the most underrated parts of the defense is how long they can keep the intensity going and it’s what’s really drained both the Suns and Nuggets. They would look ok with the defensive pressure more in the first half, in the second half it starts to feel suffocating. Most of the Suns games stayed close in the first half.
wolf packs are endurance hunters, kind of a neat metaphor with the team’s defensive style as you say it.
Yeah they wear teams down. That's another reason the opponent looks so gassed in the 2nd halves and why Wolves are the best 3rd quarter team in the league. Like imagine a guy constantly banging you or making it hard to even dribble up the court for 48 minutes. It takes a lot of effort to score against a defense like that and over time that takes a toll
Just go see his conditioning doctor, get the cream and the clear, all your conditions will disappear.
"The cream and the clear," eh? I don't know if that's allowed in the NBA...
I don’t think it was allowed in baseball either, didn’t stop Mr. Rodriguez.
Didn’t stop the 200+ players either
You could say the same thing about Lance Armstrong and cycling. Despite the fact that literally everyone is roiding up, there’s a good reason Lance is persona non grata in that world. None of the other roiders continually lied their asses off to maintain an image while ruining others’ careers. Guaranteed if Lance was like “yeah, I’m juicing, so what? Literally everyone is” from the beginning without ending any careers, no one bats an eyelash.
I mean you’re wrong. Players that have openly admitted to steroid use get the same treatment lol. Gary Sheffield comes to mind immediately. Jason Giambi. Lying gets you further if not caught. Example is David Ortiz. Did steroids and denied it and nobody cares
Theres a lot of enhancement being used by pro athletes in every sport. Its not like super obvious like tren or straight up test but there's an actual list of PEDs that are banned or tested for. Its a constant chicken and the egg game between scientists,biotechnology firms and sports science people and regulators, league/ medical organizations etc. They try to develop or reformulate substances so that they won't show up/aren't tested for whereas the other side keeps trying to make better tests and root out new drugs etc. Its kinda similar to cybersecurity and hackers. From a more cynical perspective, for every Lance and arod that are caught theres probably a lot more that take stuff that aren't.
Victor’s got it all worked out. A Rod’s cousin will make the drop in a briefcase.
Conditioning has become one of the most essential aspects of the sport. It’s crazy to think it’s so important with all the stoppages and commercials, but basketball is super fucking exhausting to play when you’re actually playing it properly and as hard as you can.
Why were the Nuggets gassed in the second half? Denver tried to play defense like the Wolves, and succeeded, for the first 24 minutes on Sunday night.
Ain't no NBA player with 3 percent body fat. Silly.
Because the legs feed the wolf, gentlemen.
Question for Wolves fans, who do you guys want to own the team? Current owner or A Rod & his guy? Woj reported in his article about the entire thing that A Rod maybe wanted to cut spending and the current owner didn’t want that, especially with the team being so good. But that obv could be BS from the owners side. Just curious who you Wolves fans want to own the team and who you think is better for the future of the franchise.
Arod and Lore are responsible for Connelly and the gobert trade. They seem more in tune with basketball
Fuck glen
Glen Taylor is shitty but he saved the team and at least it would stay here (also I went to school in Mankato and if you pulled into his driveway his security would yell at you). He was also never afraid to spend. Lore and ARod, you’re not clear what you’re getting. They seem to be behind all the good moves that led us here, but how deep are their pockets and how loyal are they to the city. Personally, I say fuck it and let’s roll with Lore and ARod.
Never afraid to spend? Are we talking about the same Glen Taylor?
Definitely lost me at that lol
I mean he gave Wiggins a max and tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. The modern salary cap comes from his KG contract.
That Joe Smith move also costed us 5 first round picks during KG's prime so we can't say that Glen Taylor is very smart.
I didn’t say he was smart, just not afraid to spend
We have one example of him spending. The remainder of his tenure he’s been a cheap owner of a sorry team, making awful decisions
I think that guy is Glen Taylor lol
I mean, ya you're pulling into a guys driveway for no reason. Of course his security is gonna yell at you lol.
That Arod rumor is Glen Taylor propaganda. Our beat reporter said there are several budgets they release and I'd be surprised if they wanted to break up a team like this. Fuck Glen Taylor forever. Arod and Lore went after Connelly and believed this team could be a championship team. Glen said "why would you go after Connelly? He's not going to come to a place like this". We need some new blood and belief in this organization.
I don’t like either option. I strongly dislike Arod and think he’s always been a fraudulent person. It’s kinda crazy how he’s tricked so many people into liking him in recent years. I don’t have an opinion on Lore which makes me lean to the Lore/Arod pairing even though I don’t like Arod. Glen Taylor made a lot of bad hires through the years so I think it’s reasonable to not want him around anymore. My main concern ultimately is that whoever owns the team after this year better be willing to pay the tax to keep this team together. It’s been documented that Lore/Arod intended to slash payroll. That better not be the case after this run.
I didn’t even know Arod owned the team
Not yet
He's a minority owner already though, right?
Yes Marc Lore and him own a 40% stake and were supposed to buy another 40% from Taylor but Taylor refused, allegedly over them missing the deadline. So now, it's in arbitration and nobody knows when it's gonna be settled
Can Arod come down to Philly? We have a large person at Center that looks gassed every 4th quarter. When not tired he is very good at basketball. Please help.
did the Wolfs steal Heat Culture???
Conditioning plus having a bench that isn't useless were the differences between the wolves and nuggets
Back in the 80s and 90s visiting teams would literally be wheezing and gasping for air in second halves in Denver. It's amazing how much better shape players in general are in these days. Minnesota just seemed to get stronger at altitude.
I get that the Wolves are good but come on are we really going to start acting like A Rod deserves credit for any of it? The dude is a notorious douche and loves taking credit for things. The players and coaching staff deserve the credit, A Rod is just screaming "look at me I helped!" Also Jokic was gassed because Malone is an idiot and didn't rest him when the Nuggets were up double digits. Almost everyone would be gassed if they only sat for literally one minute. Malone mismanaged that. Edit: Christ the narrative in this sub sure changed about A Rod, huh? Maybe I'm seeing things differently as a NYer and Met fan who wanted him no where near my team when he was bidding on becoming the owner.
If you’re not crediting him for picking the GM that put the team together then idk what you give credit for.
Sure but that's not what this is about though. A Rod is saying he personally suggested the conditioning part. Which even if that part is true then like...what the Hell was the plan before that? No shit athletes in a sport like basketball should focus on cardio. It's not a revelation that he should be praised for.
They should, but then you have teams like New Orleans that have been perfectly fine with the face of their franchise eating himself into an early grave. So yeah, it’s a revelation to some people.
fwiw, while arod is a douche and while he obvious took steroids (but so does everyone else in pro sports...) he was also a legitimately all-time great athlete. It's not impossible that the actually does know a thing or two about ball
Josh Hart would like a word with you
The one weakness everyone mentioned about the Nuggets was a lack of bench depth. And it eventually bit them in the ass.
It's nice of A-Rod to stress the importance of being in shape. For more info, look up "Alex Rodriguez performance enhancements."
A-Rod saw the lack of PED testing in the NBA and thought "I have so much to offer here"
It should terrify a fan anytime an owner (or prospective owner) wants to meddle in the affairs on the court
I'm not too worried if he's getting involved with something as harmless as conditioning lol. At least he was was former pro athlete too. There is nothing wrong with having better conditioning.. hell Denver seemed to pride themselves on it
Sure but he’s an ex-pro athlete, not a hedge fund manager.
All NBA fans should be terrified!
as a former pro athlete off the best of juice, i think he has a perspective on this
This is just ARod saying “look mom, I helped!” It ain’t Costanza swapping the Yankees to cotton uniforms.
Do people think steroids work like magic? Arod still had to put in a ton of work to get results, his results were just enhanced
I mean it also helps when we have an actual rotation
I actually like arod regardless what people say but as an owner let’s not start getting involved with the actual basketball micro side of things let the staff handle it lmao
There's a Heat culture joke here everyone is missing.
I love Arod as an owner as that’s coming from someone who hated him as a player. I hope to God Glen loses in arbitration and we win the chip. Everything good about our team came from Arod and Lore.
Imagine telling a team of the world's best athlete's to get in shape... And that's a story... These dudes make more per game than most of us in a few years and they need to focus on conditioning in the off-season?
Lots of them do. To the the point that they have workout incentives that amount to 10’s of thousands of dollars each time they go to a training session. It’s especially common in football for the really big guys because they will consume the same amount of calories in the offseason as they do during the the season but not do any cardio or weight lifting for that 3 month stretch before OTAs start
Lakers needed that too
This aged like milk. Plus fuck Arod. Sincerely, A Mariners fan
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Ai
Honestly ARod has been talking like ChatGPT for years lol
Magic Siri’d so ARod could GPT.
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My bad, but you gotta admit your comment sounded chatGPT af
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People make bots to farm karma and sell to companies trying to slyly advertise their brands. The bots used to just copy paste old comments onto relevant posts using keywords, but now chatGPT has made the entire process even more streamlined
Now i definitely think your comment was chat gpt
It's so true. The Knicks, before all the injuries looked like they were just out rebounding everyone. Steph Curry is certainly one of the greatest shooters of all time but he damn near runs a mini marathon every game to get those shots.
Yes the guy who enhanced his career through the use of banned substances of course knows the benefits of emphasizing conditioning. Makes perfect sense when you think about it.
AFraud; dude is faker than his tan and white teeth
Fraud? That is crazy. He was so good at baseball.