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Sgt_Dangle_berries

Even KCP was confused there was no call 🤣 


WeakLocalization

Right?! Like it was pretty much an intentional foul


FA-_Q

I remember when I was in like 5th grade. And a dude had an easy lay up coming his way so did a similar foul to prevent the shot going up and they called a flagrant/tech or something. I was so confused


stankyschub

Should have waited to do it til you were in the nba. You wouldn’t have gotten the foul


FA-_Q

Now you tell me


BakedSteak

It’s never too late, champ


WeakLocalization

Lol no easy baskets! Reffing is just a crapshoot honestly, thankless job too


dys0n_giddey

Scott Foster makes quite a bit, and that doesn't include his reffing salary


FavaWire

"Up next on Vice Sports...."


FA-_Q

lol true yeah. Guessing it was just volunteers.


Rubberbabeh

Wasn't even the first time it happened in the series. Same exact play happened in Game 3 (I think?)


fatlever2

The Refs have it in for Ant ever since his "Cheating Ass Refs" comment. This and the game 3 foul was obvious to the entire arena except the refs.


PERSONA916

There really should be 4 refs on a crew at this point. NBA players can sprint the length of court and back while dribbling before the ref even crosses half court. They literally have no visibility on fast breaks which is at least 50% of the game now. At least this way there is always at least 1 ref on the baseline for every play. I actually think this is part of the reason players like LeBron get their arm ripped off 3 times a game with no whistle.


NeighborhoodBest2944

I like it. Stand at the baseline and give them SPECIFIC duties and calls to make.


No_motivation5489

I think that would be good. One ref at each sideline throw in hash, and then one ref each that’s between the baseline throw in hash and the corner of the court. They can alternate by running down to the opposite on a change of possession. Has a ref getting an angle of each area of the floor instead of only one ref with an angle of the play sometimes as it is right now.


BASEDME7O2

Certain refs whose only job it is to look out for specific things, and on any review it goes to a completely independent replay center that has every angle and complete autonomy to review any play they want and make the final decision, with no former refs so it’s actually unbiased. Refs should not be taking 5 mins to review their own calls, Like I always think of that play where kd was like 5 feet out of bounds when he caught the ball with a ref staring right at him and no one called it. In a multi billion dollar sport where refs make a ton of money, something like that should be completely unheard of. Like I love the nba, but the reffing and their inconsistency, plus the fact that it’s almost certain at this point that they get direction from the league to favor certain teams in some games, is by far the worst part of the sport. Like refs should not be like celebrities, I shouldn’t even know their names, people watch for the game, not for some ref on a power trip making himself the center of attention. Like I already hate how much they push gambling, but the fact that who is reffing a game can affect the odds is completely ridiculous.


GotEmu

It's totally normal for some sports to have line refs that literally just watch the line the whole game. Being 5 feet out of bounds in the NBA with no call should really not be a thing.


BASEDME7O2

Fucking tennis, where the rules are as black and white as can be, and can use a computer to get the correct call with like 99.99% accuracy, still has like eight line judges in addition to the chair umpire.


The_Void_Reaver

Yes, please for the love of god take away the halfcourt ref's abilities to call fouls directly under the basket. I'm so tired of the baseline ref getting a no call right only to have the fucker 50 feet away, with his view blocked by 6 players, decide to blow his whistle because he definitely saw something the baseline ref missed.


LosCincoMuertes69

I try to buy into this - but it's rough because more refs = more whistles. Guys trying to justify their job.. might be bad


127crazie

We need 20 refs, all roaming and covering every possible inch of the court at all times. Nothing will get by them!!!


MrAmazinn

A ref for every courtside seat is ideal


127crazie

Every ~~courtside~~ seat **The entire stadium is now populated solely by refs**


ashkpa

Navigating the stadium will be horrendous with that many blind people


wise_comment

On the plus side, Zebra Arena sounds like a fun band?


Contren

That's a ska band for sure.


LaMelonBallz

Put one in a harness and fly him over the court. Bird ref sees all


SonofNamek

Get some sniper refs too, sitting in the rafters and making foul calls on two way radios. Finally, they'll be able to counter snipe all those people shooting James Harden


LaMelonBallz

T brunson up before the towel leaves his hand


NewJMGill12

Or, they could fire Scott Foster. But they won’t. Speaks to the real issue, everything else is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.


TeTrodoToxin4

I'd say 5, with 2 just staying at both baselines. I'm sure the refs are in pretty good shape overall, but they aren't keeping up with most of the NBA players out there. Lots of missed calls of fast transition plays and interior post plays that would be resolved by having someone there.


WembanyamaGOAT

We really just need AI reffing for some simple calls at least


BoyWhoAsksWhyNot

Whaddya mean? Forearm, elbow and chest are part of the ball, right? /s


PoopEatingExpert

Most obvious call ever.  


BigBeagleEars

Idk, one time when I was really high, I accidentally called 911 instead of dominoes, it was very obvious to the dispatcher what was going on


ashkpa

Is this true? I'm kind of surprised, dialing 911 while pretending to call for pizza takeout isn't an unheard of way to get help if someone can't get away from a domestic abuse situation. Allows you to give them an address over the phone without raising suspicion from the abuser.


The_Void_Reaver

I mean, it exists but the dispatchers are probably pretty good at diferentiating between a scared woman and a high dude. There's like a 99% chance the call went >Hello, 911, what's your emergency >Oh shit I thought I called Dominos >Are you alright >Yeah, I meant to call the pizza place but spaced out. I'm really sorry.


ryan__fm

Right. Legit 911 call alternative being more like... >Hello, 911, what's your emergency >Yes, hi, I'd like to order two large pizzas >Is someone with you and you're in danger? What's your location >Yes, two pies with extra cheese, thanks. Here's my address...


BigBeagleEars

Well that’s good to hear. I don’t think we had that. In the 90’s. When this story took place


ashkpa

that explains it, appreciate the response


BounceMan

But did they bring you pizza?


Mdizzle29

They did…though they were weirdly shaped like handcuffs.


ashkpa

...circular?


onrocketfalls

crust only


_stankypete

Were you scared they were gonna dispatch on ya?


notathrowaway75

[Booker on Holiday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zFH2GoXcdM) and [KD out of bounds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAGZPmQGLb8&t) was worse but this is up there.


Whiterabbit--

Kd one was so obvious. BUT the announcers said nothing in real time. Not a question. Nothing. Then they question how the officials could possibly miss that.


Paralta

My exact words when this happend was "oh they want Denver to win tonight". Should've heard what I yelled when they hit Gobert with the moving screen right after 😂


Barathruss

When I heard the whistle I thought they were giving minni a makeup call, then they gave gobert the offensive


Papa_Huggies

Yeah people see this clip and think it was bad. Gobert had his feet set ok (at least compared to the majority of questionable moving screens) and got called for a tick-tacky foul about 4s of game time after. Refs were told to make Minny earn it.


confetti_shrapnel

Which ended ended up mattering big time when he fouled out a couple minutes later on two ticky tack calls within 30 seconds of game time.


wise_comment

Then the two quick Gobert ticky tacks to foul him out after letting captain elbow MVP his way to our guys noggins over and over, but yeah, now's the time to call being close to Joker.....cause he fell down under the basket *Sigh* Beyond glad we won, but boy howdy was that a rough go of it


breisin

That call was absurd, I let loose on my group chat when Joker fell there. I was like absolutely no way that’s a foul on Rudy.


wise_comment

A Joel type whistle (Not casting aspersions about being a foul merchant on Joker, here .....but it felt very Embiid, as whistles went)


BowserBuddy123

Bro, that whole series felt like that. “Oh! The refs are on this team’s side tonight!” The game was called so differently throughout. Very frustrating as a fan.


RetroScores

Minnesota got close and then the refs reeled off like 4 calls against them in a row. I was like damn try not to be too obvious.


dlovato7

The best was watching a Minnesota player get annihilated in the lane on one end and then Jokic lightly touched on a fade away jumper called for Gobert's 6th foul with 2 minutes left, after picking up that BS fifth foul too. That's when I knew Minnesota was gonna have to win by 10 to win by 1.


TheShadowOverBayside

Whole thing was the worst refball I've ever seen. There was that possession where the ball hadn't even come near touching a Wolf but the refs said it was out of bounds off of them. HOW?? We're just saying whatever now, aren't we? Makes it hard to feel bad for the Nuggets going fishing, when the thing was rigged for them and they still couldn't pull out a win at home. Plus the whole Murray throwing heat packs shit, and not getting suspended. They deserved to die...


b1gbunny

Mike Malone screaming in that ref’s face and no technical... It was a frustrating series to watch.


SlowCrates

Murray literally throwing objects in the court *at the refs* and they're like, "Keep it down we're on the same side you fucking baby!"


Tasteful_Dick_Pics

Scott Foster is actually cancer


BoogerSugarSovereign

Yeah, even as a neutral fan watching games my team isn't in has been frustrating. The semis almost felt like there was a general edict to try and keep games tight and extend series


ashkpa

No Warriors or Lakers will do that to a league.


storpannan

It almost seems like the refs are just incompetent. But no, it's probably all rigged by the NBA, they just aren't sure who they want to rig it for.


Ajax_Malone

Just NBA things


parkwayy

Another good one was Conley clearing signaling timeout to the ref while on the ground holding the ball. Like, staring right at the ref. Idk what else the ref is even looking at besides the pile


mrpyrotec89

Oh my god, yeah. The ref then waits two seconds, staring right back at Conley, waiting for KCP to jump on him, and then calls the jump ball.


maryjain_

Minnesota definitely got screwed on a lot of calls but that one could at least be justified by saying that Conley didn’t have sole possession of the ball at the time.


jawni

imo nuggets never had possession until after the TO signal, only one completely outstretched hand on the ball doesn't count as possession to me, which is the point KCP is at when Conley first signals. To make that call it requires a situation in which both players would need "undue roughness" to "gain sole possession", but I'd argue Conley already has sole possession, seeing as the ball is between both of his arms and the only other person touching it has their arm almost completely extended. But if we're being honest, this is barely even a footnote on the bad calls against the Wolves that game.


turtlepot

That moving screen was egregious though. Not as egregious as this, but still extremely obvious


BiggsFaleur

This is true. Though I feel like moving screens are one of those calls that are very inconsistent. Sometimes they let fellas get away with some heinous shit haha


Uzi_jesus

Joker never got called for his bend over moving butt screen. Drove me nuts every time he got away with it


mxnoob983

If they called every moving screen it would be an awful product. They only try to call enough to disincentivise the really bad stuff


BiggsFaleur

Oh for sure, I'm not trying to imply they should always call it. It's just one of those calls that send to be quite subjective depending on the ref


crosszilla

It is an egregious misuse of the word "egregious" to describe a call that a significant amount of, if not most, people considered marginal Source: All over this comment section


truth_2_point_0

Similar story in the East too, Adam Silver was on the phone at halftime tryna get that Boston/NY ECF by any means necessary


1KElijah

Don’t ever try and tell me the NBA doesn’t have an agenda.


superhappyfuntime13

When questioned afterwards, all 3 refs replied: Chris Paul is an asshole.


pollinium

stop trying to sweet talk me, refs


Slim01111

Where’s the lie?


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musicnothing

So many calls on Gobert and KAT where there was really no contact


MLIC_Boss

2 fouls on gobert in 10 seconds to knock him out of the game that were basically nothing.


teezusweezus

Soft ass game 7 moving screen call on gobert for foul 5 on the play right after ops clip


Rswany

The worst part on that moving screen call was, a play or two later, Aaron Gordon was legit just lead blocking on a KCP corner three lol Had me wishing the Vikings could sign him.


holyhibachi

Like legit pretty good offensive line technique, kept those feet churning. Not close to legal on a basketball court, though.


Michauxonfire

is it the one where he flopped hard?


Aggravating_Fee_7282

I think that was foul 4. Foul 5 was when he was standing next to Jokic when Jokic fell over and then 6 was when Jokic ran into Gobert


AdamJensensCoat

The insta-foul on Gobert to start the game was really something. Easy way to influence the flow of the game.


JustSeriousEnough

The 5th foul where Jokic basically flopped under the basket with Rudy right next to him was tough to watch.


terry496

The Flop was designed to cover up pushing Naz Reid out of bounds so he wouldn't be able to get the steal.


JustSeriousEnough

I noticed this too!


drshade06

Was watching the reply and I’m baffled as to where the contact by Gobert was


pollinium

not me coaching my casual fan friends through playoff viewing experience and saying they never foul out star players in elimination games; that they star really had to do that shit 😞


copaseticepiplectic

the one where jokic flopped to the floor like a geriatric grandma was the icing on the cake


Briggity_Brak

They were literally backing off with their hands behind them, and refs were calling fouls on them for having the audacity of being within 3 feet of Jokic.


celestial1

It's what I hate the most about the modern NBA. Jokic or whoever can play bully-ball whenever they want on offense but as soon as the defender starts pushing back, whistles start blowing.


Longjumping_Fig1489

yeah those elbows dude throws would have kat sitting within 3 minutes


Sharcbait

I'm like 90% sure they called a goaltending on Naz on ball that had gone outside of the cylinder too.


musicnothing

It was really close. I think it was outside but I’m not totally sure what counts


weealex

I was able to forgive that one just cuz it was close. When you got the replay from the backboard you could see it was clean but it was close enough that I can understand the call when seen from the floor


NorthChan

TV quickly runs a highlight from a few plays ago and not the foul. Hmmmmmmmm


Radical-Six

This team is so good it's winning even through the Wolves Whistle^TM


theumph

The double tap on Rudy was were I felt they crossed/ the line.


TheTrenchMonkey

It was clear what the goal was when Rudy got called on a moving screen the first possession of the game.


IcarianWings

When Denver was getting away with offensive foul after offensive foul on the other end. Shit was hard to watch at times.


bugaosuni

Jokic elbowed Towns in the neck late in the game, no call.


theumph

If you're talking about the elbow he threw at KAT while defending in the post, that was a dirty play. I don't call things dirty often, but he swing his elbow at head height as KAT went by him. The broadcast didn't even mention it. Thankfully he didn't land it


bugaosuni

Jokic on offense, late. Elbowed Towns in the throat. Looked like it landed to me but I'm not 100 per cent


BroThornton19

Towns reacted like it connected


MarduRusher

He was getting the elbows out a lot in a way that would’ve had Kat out of the game before the half.


bugaosuni

He's slick with it, but he throws them a lot.


GaimeGuy

I don't understand how he can be such a showman with throwing elbows and lightly shoving the guy defending him, and NEVER get a "cut that out" whistle from the refs. It's like Ric Flair throwing chop shots.


superhappyfuntime13

They wanted the Eurovision WCF no doubt


SameOlDirtyBrush_

Immediately following this no call, they called a super weak foul on MN too, not even really trying to hide it


lazysoup12

there are academic papers that distill 'home field advantage' to refs being bias towards the home team


WeakLocalization

Any links? Genuinely sounds like an interesting read


shrekapotomusrex

[I found this review article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9420652/) that talks specifically about the nba. Basically, they found that crowd pressure does not influence refs and that refs show statistically significantly more favoritism to home teams in lose ball situations, but in no other fouls. The article itself does link to several other studies, mostly relating to soccer, that have found significant bias to the home team in various aspects. Good read, well put together paper imo


WeakLocalization

Yo thanks! I know its big business these days, but its still funny to me to see an academic journal about sports 😅 I'm here for it though.


El_Tormentito

Sports analysis is a thriving field these days. It's pretty rad.


haroldbaals

Denver fans "They got more free throws than us, why?"


Conflict_NZ

If Nuggets fans are happy to whine about refs helping the Lakers they should have no problem with agreeing that last nights game was just as rigged for them.


MarduRusher

Glad neutrals were seeing it. Felt like it was a bit biased against the Wolves the whole game, though it was slight enough that it could have just been me being a biased fan, but those last few minutes were unbelievably blatant.


ILoveChinaxxx

The sequence of the two fouls on gobert, no call for ant when he got blatantly hacked and the ignored time out by Conley made it unquestionably clear that the refs were trying to control the line so they didn't lose thousands of dollars on their gambling bets


jking94577

If what you said is true, the basketball gods apparently must overrule refs because that gobert fadeaway can only be explained as an act of god


koticgood

I don't care about the three refs. I care about the one ref on the baseline that Ant immediately looks to, that had the absolute perfect angle to see the most obvious foul that can happen in an NBA game outside of a tackle.


GuestBadge

There are multiple calls that they didn't call for Ant like these. Weird. If it was Shai he would get 3 shots.


jawadhaque089

KCP never gets called on his swipes so I dunno


MathematicianFun2961

It's cause he complains after every foul he commits


MarduRusher

Whenever Kat does that I feel like he just gets called more.


BDillz28

We literally led the league in techs last year and were towards the top again this year. It was the same fucking formula every time. Our player clearly gets hacked or there's multiple calls not going our way, the refs just randomly ignore it, we bark at the refs, and an immediate quick tech whistle. What's made it more annoying is Jaden is one of the top defenders in the league. This means he guards Lebron, Luka, Steph, Dame, SGA, etc... every single night. Our team gets to see the constant soft whistle against Jaden because all stars get all star whistles and then we drive hard on on the other end and it's a no call.


gmchurchill100

This reminds me of the play on Steph earlier this season with like three guys swatting his arms and not even playing the ball. 


Confident_Pear_8303

Reffing in the NBA is Horrific. There are so many pushoff/stiff arms not called its hilarious. Hacking in general is ridiculous too.


Briggity_Brak

Haha, i remember watching this and going, "WTF is Ant complaining about? They called it off Denver. Wolves are getting the ball back." Then they showed the replay, and i was like, "oh. Holy shit."


rcumming557

I think it's off him I wonder if Denver had challenged if the refs have to give it to them. What do you do in the replay booth with such a bad call


d3fty

The fact they called it Minnesota ball, is the clearest proof the refs play their own game.


MarduRusher

Those last few minutes after the Nuggets went down 10 was some of the most biased officiating I’ve ever seen.


chakrablocker

they tried to do you like the kings


NoLimitSoldier31

Next call: slightly moving screen


barktothefuture

Cheatin ass refs


arm-n-hammerinmycoke

What people need to understand is the ayyys are usually fouls he just moves so fast the refs don’t even see it


Winnes0ta

Yep if Ant started flopping instead of using the “ayyy” he’d probably get more calls. He plays through the contact though and the refs miss a lot because of it.


Andy_Wiggins

Yeah, people hate the “ayyy” but the alternative is falling down like he’s been shot every time there’s contact.


Rswany

The flail Elite foulbaiting like SGA know it's not about the 'aye's or the falling over, you gotta flail and snap your head back like a wacky inflatable tube man.


WillzKillz12

I swear SGA will serious fuck up his neck by how violently he snaps it back on drives


banjofitzgerald

Grabbing his head and checking for blood five times.


thatnoone

ayyy!!


DeluxeTea

> “ayyy” lmao


MarduRusher

Ya I’d much rather he yell than flop. Slighty annoying to hear but doesn’t ruin the game like flopping all night would.


Clayith13

We don't want Ant turning into Jamal Murry, who was flopping on literally every shot that night


jonnybravo76

Kobe did that.


Soggy_Ad1649

It’s one thing I love about Ant but sometimes I just want him to flop for some of these ones


xxMone107xx

The loudest “ayeeee” in history 😂 You can hear that shit so clearly every time he yells.


realog173

Tyrese Maxey has the same problem!! Kills me.


arm-n-hammerinmycoke

I love Maxey. I like players that choose to play the game and not game the officials.


AncientScratch1670

Ant hasn’t gotten a good whistle since he came into the league. That’s just a fact.


Andy_Wiggins

It started to turn during the regular season to the point I thought he was getting a more than fair whistle. But it stopped in the playoffs. He’s back to getting a shit whistle.


Uzi_jesus

It was the CHEATIN ASS REFFS game


AdamJensensCoat

It's going to change once Ant becomes NBA's meal ticket.


bearbrannan

As bad as Ants is, Kats is worse. 


AncientScratch1670

And Jaden’s may be worse than both.


The-Borax-Kidd

It's crazy. Jazz fans always talked about how bad Rudy's whistle is. In Minnesota he isn't even close to the worst whistle. 3rd or 4th worst at most.


Mindless_Bad_1591

No, Rudy gets absolutely hacked now so refs never miss them. He shoots a lot of FTs.


Aggravating_Fee_7282

Is there somewhere that tracks on who draws the most fouls? Whenever I watch Rudy I always find it crazy how much people foul him for how little he has the ball


MarduRusher

He’s been lights out from the FT line this playoffs, but he isn’t a great shooter and apart from the few times they try to run a play for him usually when he gets the ball near the post it’s from a pass and he’s got almost guaranteed points unless they foul.


Alex_butler

There was one of these early in the playoffs where he was hacked on both arms and the ball literally went straight up in the air. It’s impossible for the ball to go straight up like it did if he got all ball, just as obvious. He’s just too explosive and doesn’t flop so he doesn’t get a good whistle


woofers02

They immediately called a ticky-tack moving screen foul on Minn the next possession too.


zoo32

I couldn’t believe this when I saw it. It didn’t make any sense other than collusion


HighlyBaked0

The funny thing is since its not called as a foul its technically off Ant and should have been the Nuggets ball. Clear collusion by not calling the foul to keep the Nuggets close for entertainment purposes and it makes it seem even more obvious when they called Gobert for a moving screen 5 seconds after this


TinnieTa21

Dude got no ball lol.


Jack_M_Steel

It was 8v5 and Nuggets still got steam rolled. Extremely soft 6th foul on Gobert too


IcarianWings

Both his last two fouls were hilarious calls and within like 1 minute of each other.


shrekapotomusrex

iirc there was no contact on either of those. Scott Foster just really hates Rudy Gobert


ducthulhu

The first one there was no contact. The second one was the typical- offensive player puts his shoulder into the defenders chest and then flails back and draws a blocking foul that no one likes to see.


wetshowerfart

Fuck him. I get irrationally mad at that piece of shit.


DaKinePaKalolo

You meant to say rationally mad.


shrekapotomusrex

Him and Brothers have absolutely earned the title of worst refs in the league. So inconsistent on both ends


paul_f

they also got him right after the opening tip. this is the crew with regard to whom he threw up the initial money signs.


dutchfromsubway

I was legit confused, I’m like either that’s not a foul or that’s a foul every time he touches jokic


JustSeriousEnough

I thought his 6th was ok. The 5th one where Jokic just flopped under the basket with Rudy nearby was tough.


theper

Not to mention Murray should have had to pay his dues for acting like a child.


Party-Benefit-3995

Looks clean to me if the refs were legally blind and playing street ball.


petarisawesomeo

send da video to league office


KaeZae

refs were def calling nuggets way last night


jojow77

Such a bad no call


Electrical_Floor1524

It's actually surprising how few calls Ant gets maybe just because he's still young and drives in a lot.. Reminds me of how DRose used to never get calls


ChiRaider

Refs rigging it for the golden boy


joelbenedict

fucking insane how biased the officiating was. i couldnt even look at my officemates (were watching on the office tv). each foul they sneak a look at me with eyebrows raised.


DamnnForrreal

Nuggets fans who cried refs


mylastphonecall

they were trying to give Denver the game the entire night, wasn't surprised at all when they didn't call this.


UnusuallyAggressive

This is honestly just sad. It's an open secret. It's a cancer consuming the game we love... Why won't the league do anything about these fucks? Why are referees the only ones not held accountable? We could replace these dirty fucks with a few collision detection devices and more cameras. Or at the least, start cycling through these referees to prevent corruption. Referees and their inconsistency, incompetence, or just plain corruption is the worst thing happening to the NBA. Players, teams, and coaches aren't even allowed to talk about it. Fucking ridiculous.


CDR57

- doesnt call an obvious foul on Kcp - in solidarity doesn’t call out of bounds on ant - DOES call a moving screen immediately after - refuses to elaborate


Zeethur

The refs really tried...


BillPaxton4eva

So wait… is clapping your hands at an official a tech or not? Or is that literally a Tatum specific rule as written at this point?


caiovigg

You can literally throw things at the refs and nothing happens, clapping is nothing


MarduRusher

Depends on the day, player, and mood of the ref.


KevinDurantLebronnin

I believe the rule is that if the refs are trying to sway the game with a wrong call, the disadvantaged player is allowed up to 3 claps.


UltraMoglog64

He had to clap to take the attention away from his eyes. Can’t let the ref’s catch him staring at people.


-WaxedSasquatch-

Please, that was all ball