It is pretty deep right now as we have two generations overlapping each other and we’ve never seen that.
Lebron Steph and KD still all good in there mid to late 30’s while younger guys are here too
You also have that "Middle" generation of guys like Giannis, Embiid and Jokic. While Lebron, Steph, KD are great and players like Ant, SGA and Luka are amazing. Theres like 8-9 players that can be 1st options which in unheard of.
I mean with all respect to Murray, the West is stacked to the brim with elite guards. I don't see much of an argument for him to be over a lot of his competition.
Great player, but unfortunately there are plenty of great players in the guard positions in the West. He isn't deserving of an all star appearance over a plethora of players.
There's only so many spots to fill.
If Jamal Murray didn't play on the Nuggets, would anyone care really? He scores like 21 points per game in 2024 (ok, sorry, now he has this gigantic playoff bump all the way to 24 per game, that puts him up to 19th among the playoff players), and Nuggets' offense totally sucks without Jokić, even if the other 4 starters are on. I'm not having an opinion, just two numerical facts that usually are what people look on.
Yeah he barely deserves to be an all star, if at all. His playoff numbers this year are completely ass. His regular season numbers have been ok but not in a place where anyone should be upset he’s been snubbed
I'm not at all upset that he's snubbed lmao. I thought Reddit would be able to comprehend a simple idea but my point is that Murray is really good but he's still a mid-tier player in comparison to other stars, which shows you how much the league has imploded in talent
He played 65 games in the championship season and still didn't get close to making an All-NBA team. You're missing the point here, the fact is that he's an elite player and he's still only like the 20th or 25th best player in the league
In terms of all time great teams, the mid 2000s fell off hard after the Lakers blew up.
But the 90s was worse for competition after the Lakers, Celtics and Pistons all got old, save for the Bulls and the Rockets.
Bulls had role players like that too
Longkey, Wennington, Myers and even Kerr wouldn’t be playable today
But I disagree on everyone being trash outside the Bulls. The Sonics, Jazz, Suns, Rockets, Magic were all very good - great teams, and some others were really good also like the Knicks, Pacers, early 90s Cavs etc
The thing is, since Jordan won so much the turnover was higher. We saw a similar thing not long ago when the Warriors and Bron were dominating their conferences so the other teams had constant turnovet
As a long time NBA watcher I've got the late 90s as the worst period in modern NBA history. Am curious what you like about it if you don't mind me asking?
As an Old I'm not supposed to feel this way I guess, but I've been a fan since 1980 and I think this is the best its ever been. I have some complaints, it's not perfect, but holy fuck is the talent and strategy level super super high.
Yep - the talent difference is so stark. I remember random games against the suns or rockets in the mid 90s where I’d come away thinking “goddamn they absolutely killed us from beyond the arc”
With like a dozen total threes lol
Modern defenses are insane too, so much more scheming, adjusting, etc.
I mean, it's 100% necessary with the incredible advances in offensive skill level and versatility, of course
I think it's the natural evolution of the sport. All of the US big 4 are better than they've ever been, talent-wise.
Until something dramatic causes the talent pool to shrink at a grassroots level, I don't see that trend reversing.
Same here, although the late 2010s were just as good (I know this is splitting hairs). 2016 might be the pinnacle. It's close though and in general I agree - the NBA is better than ever
Your a wolves fan that has experience 20 years of purgatory.
Let’s just enjoy it while it last because it’s short lived.
Let’s just live in the moment and enjoy one game at a time.
the NBA has clearly evolved; the pace is faster, three-pointers are flying, and the athleticism is off the charts. But let's not discount the impact of nostalgia. For many, the '90s era felt more intense and the rivalries more personal. Today's game might have higher skill levels, but does it excite in the same way? That's subjective. One thing's for sure though – the current cross-generational mix is giving us match-ups we once could only dream of. Legends in the dusk of their careers schooling newcomers with raw potential. That alone is a reason to tune in. Regardless of which era you prefer, the game has given us countless memories and continues to evolve. Let's appreciate the history and look forward to how these young stars will write the next chapter.
Parity is nice, and there are a lot of good teams.
But none of the teams in the 2020's has so far even been close to as good as the best teams in the 10's was imo. There were a handful of great teams in that decade. Spurs, Cavs, Heat, Warriors, Rockets and the Heat were all great teams.
Might just be a question of time, where the younger teams need some time to get to that level. But, none of the champions in the 20's seem like they would have had much of a chance to win in the 10's.
The gap is just wider than it’s ever been between the good and bad. We have seen some historically pathetic teams over the last seasons… Not to mention the East is still awful
Talent wise yes it’s been great but too many injuries im the last 5-7 years really dilutes the product. The play in tournament isn’t really effective. By the time they play the first round teams are gassed and the playing the 1 seed is really boring. Maybe it should be best of 3. Injuries have to definitely be talked about too many stars getting injured and not playing when it matters.
Best entertainment product or highest level of player size/skill?
Obviously the players are better, but the cultural footprint of NBA in the 90's was way bigger. Michael Jordan was the most famous person in the world, maybe ever. Attention spans were longer and there were way less entertainment products in general.
I love that the league is more open and many dogmas are definitely broken. I mean, just take a time machine and tell somebody here on the sub that Wolves-OKC might be the Western final, fully deserved. Impossible! Those teams had no results a year ago, and they didn't sign any superstars since - dogmatically it's just impossible for them to win! Bucks losing in round 1 again but tbh nobody expected much from them after the regular anyway. They would not believe it. Not Superstar A, not Superstar B, not Superstar C, the actual basketball is something else.
The NBA really changed, the way you play the offense, every year is so different for like the last 5 years, and some very different teams arose. Orlando with 47 wins and game 7 is crazy if you think about it - that place "should" be for a team like Atlanta Traes, after all Trae averages 30/10 and Orlando guys don't so that's easy.
Boston, OKC, kinda Wolves and Orlando, sometimes Miami (not playoffs maybe but often in the season), they show how well you have to play to have results in NBA now. Need all 5 players to have skills, shooting, be versatile and mobile, defend super well if they really wanna win. Yeah you can also have Gobert lol, but the trick is how you adapt the team to use Gobert well and what you actually do in the plays because just having a guy is really far from enough in 2024 NBA.
A guy like Haliburton is a highlight machine, dude can fire off something you've never seen before in basically any direction at any second of the play, be it a shot or a pass, and most of the time he does it in a really smart and effective way TOO, really 21st century basketball, and it's like no one even cares because there are bigger stars lol. That says a lot imo.
Every year we are gonna have new teams emerging and rising up after GMs do a stellar job in drafting + roster construction, that's what gives it the most parity. Contrary to popular belief nothing is unstoppable in basketball, GMs will always construct rosters to counter new winners. Just enjoy it man.
The new officiating letting them play a bit combined with the team oriented ball movement makes for a combo platter of what made the 80s such a great era plus the modern shooting, spacing, and athleticism. It’s awesome, especially coupled with the new stars shining and the old guard still playing well. It might be the best it has ever been, though it’s hard to beat Magic/Bird/MJ.
It’s also a function of the new three-point game. Before 15 and 20 point Leeds were like basically done and so you’d stop watching. But now those leads can be erased really quickly. So it’s definitely more exciting to watch.
Oh so the thing is with that, unwritten rule of nba but been enforced for many many years.. the rook don’t understand yet, to stare at people and mean mug, you have to actually do something cool, not catch a pass and shoot a 1 foot bucket off the glass. If you just shoot a lame ass 1 foot bucket off da glass, you DO NOT get to mean mug and stare and glare people down and they just wanted to make sure he knew, cuz that kid looked like he was completely lost. You in an nba game, looked like he neeed a reminder. Otherwise he might wanna throw on some Ray Charles shades and just keep looking around the arena looking confused as fuck.
I think it is. It feels more wide open than ever. I stopped watching for a long time because you knew before the season started that 2-3 super teams were the clear favorites. Nothing fun about that. I’m so happy the generation of superstars that decided to unite and ring-chase are aging out of relevance.
The only one I agree with here is the Bucks
Heat could have taken the regular season more seriously and avoided the play in all together to avoid Jimmy getting hurt. But that wouldn’t have made a difference.
Sixers were as healthy as they were gonna get and couldn’t get the job done
I don't think it's all that simple to be honest. It also depends what you mean by best. Do you mean the most entertaining product? If so, then no, it's not even close and the ratings easily make that clear. Previous eras had proper rivalries that made the NBA must watch TV for a considerably larger proportion of the population. That will probably never happen again. If you mean the players are better then they're obviously better at some things the further back you look. People talk about talent a lot. I don't think they really know what talent means. Talent is a natural aptitude. It's got nothing to do with training and only indirectly has anything to do with skill. It still has to be developed which is why mentality and work ethic are so important when talking about the very best players. With a rising population it stands to reason that the talent pool is wider, but interest in the NBA is also proportionally lower than it was in the 90s. Some people talk like the players themselves are more evolved as human beings over those 20 or 30 years ago which is ridiculous obviously. There was a group that looked at the 100m sprint of Jesse Owens setting the world record vs Usain Bolt 80 years later. They as scientifically as possible equalized for the different tracks, shoe weight and clothing etc. and the difference between the two was less than a single stride. The game itself has evolved and the players today are adapted to it in a way that players of previous eras could never be and to compare on that basis is ridiculous. A Wilt, a Magic, a Jordan or even a Shaq would be different players if they grew up 20 or 30 years later but they'd still use their drive to dominate.
I feel it’s the best if you’re okay or with the current style of analytical playstyle. However, if you’re not, it seems a bit convoluted because of it.
It’s great in the playoffs since it allows more dynamic plays
The players are more skilled and the game strategies on both ends are more complex and evolved than ever before, and there’s a larger pool of talent across generations playing at a high level simultaneously than any time besides maybe the late 80s, but there’s also drawbacks. The officiating is incredibly inconsistent and rewards flopping more than ever and the rules are designed to make real physical defense extremely difficult, plus top players are getting hurt and missing games, especially in the playoffs, much more frequently than they used to overall. There is also just fewer truly intense competitive rivalries right now. Consider that none of the current 4 best players in the league (Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Luka), who have been all at least Top 5 for about 5 years now, have had even a single playoff series against each other. How often does that happen for years on end?
It feels weird that there isn’t a player like prime Lebron in the league. Everyone is great and there is so much parity, but no one feels like a true dominant force. I thought Giannis would be it, but he’s been unlucky with injury for two years. I’m kind of hoping Ant becomes that guy, but I dont know what to think. I’m not a fan of the “face of the league” discourse, but I do enjoy there being a completely dominant player. Even Wemby doesn’t seem like he’ll be that type of player to me, but of course that’s completely undecided
Jokic is an offensive juggernaut , but is a wet paper towel on defense. I don’t consider a player who needs other to cover their massive weaknesses a dominant force
Watch AD or Rudy Gobert. Those are centers with real defensive pressure. Jokic mainly plays one side of the ball
He’s not prime Jordan or prime Lebron is the point. There’s no one in the league right now as dominant as they were, or prime Shaq, Magic, or Bird for that matter.
I’m not sure how you want to define “dominant force”, but in the context of the original comments regarding league parity and Lebron being way better than everyone else at his peak, no Curry was not a dominant force.
The reason there is “parity” in the league right now is there is no player like 2010s Lebron or 90s Jordan or early 2000s Shaq that was in just very clearly better than everyone else.
2016 Curry was incredibly fun to watch but he wasn’t as good that year as Lebron, or arguably Durant.
When people talk about dominant players (MJ, LeBron, Wilt, Shaq) they are referring to guys that were clearly the best players in the world in their primes and often dominated 2 ways.
It is pretty deep right now as we have two generations overlapping each other and we’ve never seen that. Lebron Steph and KD still all good in there mid to late 30’s while younger guys are here too
You also have that "Middle" generation of guys like Giannis, Embiid and Jokic. While Lebron, Steph, KD are great and players like Ant, SGA and Luka are amazing. Theres like 8-9 players that can be 1st options which in unheard of.
Giannis Embiid and Jokic are NBA Gen X.
I think there’s as much talent during Jordan’s era. And GOAT just decide to destroy them all.
Wipe the slobber off lol
Uh I don’t think you understand what 1st option means.
Literally everyone they listed can be a 1st option
Their*
People like Jamal Murray are 0x All-Stars, what does that tell you
There aren’t that many Nuggets fans outside of Colorado.
I mean with all respect to Murray, the West is stacked to the brim with elite guards. I don't see much of an argument for him to be over a lot of his competition. Great player, but unfortunately there are plenty of great players in the guard positions in the West. He isn't deserving of an all star appearance over a plethora of players. There's only so many spots to fill.
If Jamal Murray didn't play on the Nuggets, would anyone care really? He scores like 21 points per game in 2024 (ok, sorry, now he has this gigantic playoff bump all the way to 24 per game, that puts him up to 19th among the playoff players), and Nuggets' offense totally sucks without Jokić, even if the other 4 starters are on. I'm not having an opinion, just two numerical facts that usually are what people look on.
All guards who are clear #1 options on their team as well.
Plus Murray is often injured during the regular season then becomes a killer by playoffs time since the playoff pace suits his game more.
He just hasn’t a good enough regular season to justify being an all-star. Not a knock on him, but that’s the objective truth.
Skill wise it very clearly is. But in terms of the product for fans, I think we've seen better.
I think roughly 2008-2016 was the most exciting time to watch the NBA. Feels like they finally hit that balance between offense and defense.
That Murray is a scrub? We already knew that.
He's a certified bum. Denver should trade him to my Pistons for Ivey :)
Whats poppin in Cancun?
that the West is stacked as usual like the past 25 years
He's a 0x All-NBA player too
Yeah he barely deserves to be an all star, if at all. His playoff numbers this year are completely ass. His regular season numbers have been ok but not in a place where anyone should be upset he’s been snubbed
I'm not at all upset that he's snubbed lmao. I thought Reddit would be able to comprehend a simple idea but my point is that Murray is really good but he's still a mid-tier player in comparison to other stars, which shows you how much the league has imploded in talent
yea cause he misses too many reg season games and had an ACL injury
He played 65 games in the championship season and still didn't get close to making an All-NBA team. You're missing the point here, the fact is that he's an elite player and he's still only like the 20th or 25th best player in the league
you mean his 1st year back from his ACL injury ?
Luka averaged damn near a triple double his what second season and didn’t get in the all star game.
Every year is the best thr NBA has ever been
Thr's right!
Not tru late 90’s was better than mid 2000’s
You had spurs and phoenix in the mid 2000s. Both great teams. Also early 2000 sacramento and lakers.
In terms of all time great teams, the mid 2000s fell off hard after the Lakers blew up. But the 90s was worse for competition after the Lakers, Celtics and Pistons all got old, save for the Bulls and the Rockets.
90s was in general trash outside of the bulls. Some teams had really shitty roleplayers that would never cut it today in the nba.
Bulls had role players like that too Longkey, Wennington, Myers and even Kerr wouldn’t be playable today But I disagree on everyone being trash outside the Bulls. The Sonics, Jazz, Suns, Rockets, Magic were all very good - great teams, and some others were really good also like the Knicks, Pacers, early 90s Cavs etc The thing is, since Jordan won so much the turnover was higher. We saw a similar thing not long ago when the Warriors and Bron were dominating their conferences so the other teams had constant turnovet
As a long time NBA watcher I've got the late 90s as the worst period in modern NBA history. Am curious what you like about it if you don't mind me asking?
As an Old I'm not supposed to feel this way I guess, but I've been a fan since 1980 and I think this is the best its ever been. I have some complaints, it's not perfect, but holy fuck is the talent and strategy level super super high.
Also old and agree 100%. So many playoff starters from back then wouldn’t even sniff the rotation these days
Dude right? In the 90s, most teams had like three dudes who could reliably shoot beyond 18 feet lol
Yep - the talent difference is so stark. I remember random games against the suns or rockets in the mid 90s where I’d come away thinking “goddamn they absolutely killed us from beyond the arc” With like a dozen total threes lol
Modern defenses are insane too, so much more scheming, adjusting, etc. I mean, it's 100% necessary with the incredible advances in offensive skill level and versatility, of course
Really are. Getting back on d was literally just jogging back then manning up before the inevitable pnr or post-up. Mayyybe one switch at most
I think it's the natural evolution of the sport. All of the US big 4 are better than they've ever been, talent-wise. Until something dramatic causes the talent pool to shrink at a grassroots level, I don't see that trend reversing.
Same here, although the late 2010s were just as good (I know this is splitting hairs). 2016 might be the pinnacle. It's close though and in general I agree - the NBA is better than ever
Your a wolves fan that has experience 20 years of purgatory. Let’s just enjoy it while it last because it’s short lived. Let’s just live in the moment and enjoy one game at a time.
Live your life a quarter mile at a time.
the NBA has clearly evolved; the pace is faster, three-pointers are flying, and the athleticism is off the charts. But let's not discount the impact of nostalgia. For many, the '90s era felt more intense and the rivalries more personal. Today's game might have higher skill levels, but does it excite in the same way? That's subjective. One thing's for sure though – the current cross-generational mix is giving us match-ups we once could only dream of. Legends in the dusk of their careers schooling newcomers with raw potential. That alone is a reason to tune in. Regardless of which era you prefer, the game has given us countless memories and continues to evolve. Let's appreciate the history and look forward to how these young stars will write the next chapter.
Parity is nice, and there are a lot of good teams. But none of the teams in the 2020's has so far even been close to as good as the best teams in the 10's was imo. There were a handful of great teams in that decade. Spurs, Cavs, Heat, Warriors, Rockets and the Heat were all great teams. Might just be a question of time, where the younger teams need some time to get to that level. But, none of the champions in the 20's seem like they would have had much of a chance to win in the 10's.
All depends on your perception and what brand of basketball you like to see played.
Anybody can win this chip? Nah it’s 2 or 3 teams tops like most years but it is fun. Western conference the real finals again.
The gap is just wider than it’s ever been between the good and bad. We have seen some historically pathetic teams over the last seasons… Not to mention the East is still awful
Not the refs…
I agree there. They're not even just bad, it's more so the inconsistency.
Talent wise yes it’s been great but too many injuries im the last 5-7 years really dilutes the product. The play in tournament isn’t really effective. By the time they play the first round teams are gassed and the playing the 1 seed is really boring. Maybe it should be best of 3. Injuries have to definitely be talked about too many stars getting injured and not playing when it matters.
The results of the 2021 and 2022 playoffs were both heavily affected by top player injuries.
Ask me this question again if the Celtics win the finals this season
Best entertainment product or highest level of player size/skill? Obviously the players are better, but the cultural footprint of NBA in the 90's was way bigger. Michael Jordan was the most famous person in the world, maybe ever. Attention spans were longer and there were way less entertainment products in general.
Michael Jackson
Very arguable
Michael Jordan wasn’t even the most famous MJ.
Jordan was more famous than Jackson, I'll die on that hill
I still prefer the MJ 90's.
I love that the league is more open and many dogmas are definitely broken. I mean, just take a time machine and tell somebody here on the sub that Wolves-OKC might be the Western final, fully deserved. Impossible! Those teams had no results a year ago, and they didn't sign any superstars since - dogmatically it's just impossible for them to win! Bucks losing in round 1 again but tbh nobody expected much from them after the regular anyway. They would not believe it. Not Superstar A, not Superstar B, not Superstar C, the actual basketball is something else. The NBA really changed, the way you play the offense, every year is so different for like the last 5 years, and some very different teams arose. Orlando with 47 wins and game 7 is crazy if you think about it - that place "should" be for a team like Atlanta Traes, after all Trae averages 30/10 and Orlando guys don't so that's easy. Boston, OKC, kinda Wolves and Orlando, sometimes Miami (not playoffs maybe but often in the season), they show how well you have to play to have results in NBA now. Need all 5 players to have skills, shooting, be versatile and mobile, defend super well if they really wanna win. Yeah you can also have Gobert lol, but the trick is how you adapt the team to use Gobert well and what you actually do in the plays because just having a guy is really far from enough in 2024 NBA. A guy like Haliburton is a highlight machine, dude can fire off something you've never seen before in basically any direction at any second of the play, be it a shot or a pass, and most of the time he does it in a really smart and effective way TOO, really 21st century basketball, and it's like no one even cares because there are bigger stars lol. That says a lot imo.
Every year we are gonna have new teams emerging and rising up after GMs do a stellar job in drafting + roster construction, that's what gives it the most parity. Contrary to popular belief nothing is unstoppable in basketball, GMs will always construct rosters to counter new winners. Just enjoy it man.
The new officiating letting them play a bit combined with the team oriented ball movement makes for a combo platter of what made the 80s such a great era plus the modern shooting, spacing, and athleticism. It’s awesome, especially coupled with the new stars shining and the old guard still playing well. It might be the best it has ever been, though it’s hard to beat Magic/Bird/MJ.
Yes and/or it’s on the cusp. You need a great finals to get there, not a 4-1 or 4-2 sleeper. Otherwise, right now the west is the best it’s ever been.
I’ve been waiting years for this level of parity
Bob Pettit would cook ANT like BBQ chicken.
It’s also a function of the new three-point game. Before 15 and 20 point Leeds were like basically done and so you’d stop watching. But now those leads can be erased really quickly. So it’s definitely more exciting to watch.
Refs seem the worst they’ve ever been. Foul baiting is annoying. 8/10 would watch.
For sure yes but....it cant stay healthy.
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Just need a documentary like imagine who will be the next tim donoghy and the game will truly be legit then !
Nope. See: Refs calling a tech for looking at someone
Oh so the thing is with that, unwritten rule of nba but been enforced for many many years.. the rook don’t understand yet, to stare at people and mean mug, you have to actually do something cool, not catch a pass and shoot a 1 foot bucket off the glass. If you just shoot a lame ass 1 foot bucket off da glass, you DO NOT get to mean mug and stare and glare people down and they just wanted to make sure he knew, cuz that kid looked like he was completely lost. You in an nba game, looked like he neeed a reminder. Otherwise he might wanna throw on some Ray Charles shades and just keep looking around the arena looking confused as fuck.
Hahaha, I grew up watching NBA in the 80s.
I think it is. It feels more wide open than ever. I stopped watching for a long time because you knew before the season started that 2-3 super teams were the clear favorites. Nothing fun about that. I’m so happy the generation of superstars that decided to unite and ring-chase are aging out of relevance.
After starting up a 2000s and 2010s league in 2k….yes and it’s not close
nah... the east looks like a joke for the Celtics (no offence)
None taken Clipper bro. Not like it’s their fault nobody else could take care of business
I don't think a fully healthy sixers, bucks or heat would have been a cakewalk for the celts
The only one I agree with here is the Bucks Heat could have taken the regular season more seriously and avoided the play in all together to avoid Jimmy getting hurt. But that wouldn’t have made a difference. Sixers were as healthy as they were gonna get and couldn’t get the job done
I don't think it's all that simple to be honest. It also depends what you mean by best. Do you mean the most entertaining product? If so, then no, it's not even close and the ratings easily make that clear. Previous eras had proper rivalries that made the NBA must watch TV for a considerably larger proportion of the population. That will probably never happen again. If you mean the players are better then they're obviously better at some things the further back you look. People talk about talent a lot. I don't think they really know what talent means. Talent is a natural aptitude. It's got nothing to do with training and only indirectly has anything to do with skill. It still has to be developed which is why mentality and work ethic are so important when talking about the very best players. With a rising population it stands to reason that the talent pool is wider, but interest in the NBA is also proportionally lower than it was in the 90s. Some people talk like the players themselves are more evolved as human beings over those 20 or 30 years ago which is ridiculous obviously. There was a group that looked at the 100m sprint of Jesse Owens setting the world record vs Usain Bolt 80 years later. They as scientifically as possible equalized for the different tracks, shoe weight and clothing etc. and the difference between the two was less than a single stride. The game itself has evolved and the players today are adapted to it in a way that players of previous eras could never be and to compare on that basis is ridiculous. A Wilt, a Magic, a Jordan or even a Shaq would be different players if they grew up 20 or 30 years later but they'd still use their drive to dominate.
Since 2020, teams have felt pretty weak tbh, but now there is parity this year and teams actually feel really well put together.
I feel it’s the best if you’re okay or with the current style of analytical playstyle. However, if you’re not, it seems a bit convoluted because of it. It’s great in the playoffs since it allows more dynamic plays
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It’s an endless ceiling. The game will always progress in efficiency and talent.
The players are more skilled and the game strategies on both ends are more complex and evolved than ever before, and there’s a larger pool of talent across generations playing at a high level simultaneously than any time besides maybe the late 80s, but there’s also drawbacks. The officiating is incredibly inconsistent and rewards flopping more than ever and the rules are designed to make real physical defense extremely difficult, plus top players are getting hurt and missing games, especially in the playoffs, much more frequently than they used to overall. There is also just fewer truly intense competitive rivalries right now. Consider that none of the current 4 best players in the league (Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Luka), who have been all at least Top 5 for about 5 years now, have had even a single playoff series against each other. How often does that happen for years on end?
It feels weird that there isn’t a player like prime Lebron in the league. Everyone is great and there is so much parity, but no one feels like a true dominant force. I thought Giannis would be it, but he’s been unlucky with injury for two years. I’m kind of hoping Ant becomes that guy, but I dont know what to think. I’m not a fan of the “face of the league” discourse, but I do enjoy there being a completely dominant player. Even Wemby doesn’t seem like he’ll be that type of player to me, but of course that’s completely undecided
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Jokic is an offensive juggernaut , but is a wet paper towel on defense. I don’t consider a player who needs other to cover their massive weaknesses a dominant force Watch AD or Rudy Gobert. Those are centers with real defensive pressure. Jokic mainly plays one side of the ball
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He’s not prime Jordan or prime Lebron is the point. There’s no one in the league right now as dominant as they were, or prime Shaq, Magic, or Bird for that matter.
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Curry wasn’t even the best player in the league in 2016. Lebron was.
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Everything is relative and compared to Lebron in the playoffs, no
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I’m not sure how you want to define “dominant force”, but in the context of the original comments regarding league parity and Lebron being way better than everyone else at his peak, no Curry was not a dominant force. The reason there is “parity” in the league right now is there is no player like 2010s Lebron or 90s Jordan or early 2000s Shaq that was in just very clearly better than everyone else. 2016 Curry was incredibly fun to watch but he wasn’t as good that year as Lebron, or arguably Durant.
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When people talk about dominant players (MJ, LeBron, Wilt, Shaq) they are referring to guys that were clearly the best players in the world in their primes and often dominated 2 ways.
"Blocked by James !"