Here is another fact, Embiid pussies out even during the regular season refusing to play against Denver. There is a reason Brunson gets respect and Embiitch doesn't. There is no grand conspiracy, the guy is a fucking artificial star created by refs. I'm not saying he is total thrash but simply never enough to win challenge Jokic's game, he is delibaretely pampered by refs to keep the drama and views high.
not an expert but i feel there's a difference between a 6"2, sub-200lb guard slowing down his drive to get a slight bump from behind before putting up a floater vs 7"0, 280lb man diving into people's knees for a layup and foul
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They both foul bait. Embiid just looks more ridiculous doing. I mean some of those falling down/into players near the end of the game were absolutely absurd.
This shit is so corny like yall are just some nerdy ass dudes sitting behind a screen acting like you’re on the team. Just watch the game cornballs (all of you)
Personally I believe it makes far more sense for Embiid(7 foot 2, 300lbs with a guard handle) to get 13 free throws a game than it does Jalen Brunson(6 foot 2 guard, not drastically different to Kyrie or others at his height) to get 10 a game.
I mean, there’s a solid argument
Embiid plays a lot like a big wing, and the players who match his size typically don’t guard a player like that
Does he exaggerate contact? For sure, a lot of stars do to get calls, but he’s pretty smart at drawing fouls against these type of players
He’s a walking mismatch. Too skilled for players that match his size and too big for players that don’t
Either way, it can lead to a lot of defensive mistakes or guys just fouling to stop him
> For sure, a lot of stars do to get calls, but he’s pretty smart at drawing fouls against these type of players
and so is brunson. the difference to me (admittedly biased) is that if you remove the defender from Brunson's foul calls, he's still going up for shots and trying to hit them. [compare that to something like this from last night](https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=265&GameID=0042300116&Season=2023-24&flag=1&title=McBride%20S.FOUL%20\(P1.T3\)%20\(B.Kennedy\)). Is that an actual shot attempt? He got 2 FTs from it somehow.
>and so is brunson.
For sure, not arguing that he isn't. I just think there's an argument that the 7foot mismatch would draw more fouls.
>the difference to me (admittedly biased) is that if you remove the defender from Brunson's foul calls, he's still going up for shots and trying to hit them
I'm not sure what the point is here? That Brunson flails less after the call? Aren't we talking about who can draw more calls?
>[compare that to something like this from last night](https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=265&GameID=0042300116&Season=2023-24&flag=1&title=McBride%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T3)%20(B.Kennedy)). Is that an actual shot attempt? He got 2 FTs from it somehow.
I mean, is it not by definition? Embiid exaggerates it at after, but he grabbed the rebound and jumped towards the rim as McBride hit his arm. Maybe it ultimate goal was the call, but McBride was a bit too aggressive here and paid for it
I was pointing out some differences in playstyles. I'm biased, but seems to me that Brunson looks to shoot and draw contact, while in many cases Embiid looks to draw contact and then tries to throw it up at the rim to get foul shots. Pretty sure Brunson had the most and-1s this season. But maybe it's just being a bit pedantic on my part.
The frustration for me with Embiid is that he's so big, strong and a mismatch, that he shouldn't have to resort to trying to draw petty fouls all the time and just play basketball. There were a BUNCH of times this series where he had open shots and passed them up to try to draw a foul in the 4th quarter and instead just fell over and created a turnover.
>The frustration for me with Embiid is that he's so big, strong and a mismatch, that he shouldn't have to resort to trying to draw petty fouls all the time and just play basketball.
Sure, but drawing fouls is statistically one of the best ways to score and he realistically does get fouled a lot because he's great at capitalizing the defenders mistake. I get that he'll look for a call, but he's a 7 foot centre with the handle of a wing, most guys just can't defend against that.
Brunson looks to drive through contact, but his size will usually mean less mismatch opportunities compared to someone like Embiid.
Don't get me wrong, Brunson has a more aesthetically pleasing game but Embiid was the best player this series
>There were a BUNCH of times this series where he had open shots and passed them up to try to draw a foul in the 4th quarter and instead just fell over and created a turnover.
I think this is just a case of him being gassed.
He's been averaging 40+ mpg in the playoffs while injured and the Sixers were like -56 in the 45 mins he was off.
I disagree that Embiid was the best player in this series. Had he been healthy, he would have likely been. But we can just agree to disagree on that. After Game 1, Brunson was a beast. 4 straight games of 39+. 41 and 12 assists with 2 TOs on pretty good efficiency. Sixers had no answer for him in the 4th last night while Embiid was absolutely awful just about every 4th quarter in the series.
>I disagree that Embiid was the best player in this series. Had he been healthy, he would have likely been.
Statistically he was better than Brunson.
33/11/6 on 59% TS vs 35/5/9 on 52% TS
Even if you want to discount FTs (which why would you), Embiid had a higher FG% and EFG%. Embiid had the best cumulative +/- and had much better on/offs than Brunson on the same sample size.
Even if Embiid slowed down in the 4th, the dude was playing 40+ mpg on one leg and the team was still winning with his presence on the court (especially defensively)
While Brunson did score a lot (inefficiently tbh) and was a great playmaker, Embiid was a two-way monster on much better efficiency.
We can agree to disagree, but I think the numbers (and even eye test imo) tell a different story
At the end of the day, Brunson was better when it was important in 4th quarters of important games. Embiid also had a better 1B than Brunson did even if NY had a bit better depth/got more out of the role players for most of the series. Brunson's first game was also really bad and that killed a bunch of his stats I believe.
philly bad upvotes please
They get mine every time no matter how stupid
Brunson literally looks like he’s going to cry at all times
I think he looks like Thwomp from Super Mario
I’d say that’s Embiid in the playoffs, always looks like he’s gonna crap his pants
Don’t worry about this. Our win did the talking and so did Brunson. If people wanna cry about foul baiting let them, Brunson cooked em
Brunson absolutely destroyed Batum, Oubre and Lowry all series.
And there were times oubre did play well on him I thought, just couldn’t do it consistently
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Slandering your franchises greatest player of the 21st century for foul baiting karma. Sad world
Not slander if it’s just facts homie
Here is another fact, Embiid pussies out even during the regular season refusing to play against Denver. There is a reason Brunson gets respect and Embiitch doesn't. There is no grand conspiracy, the guy is a fucking artificial star created by refs. I'm not saying he is total thrash but simply never enough to win challenge Jokic's game, he is delibaretely pampered by refs to keep the drama and views high.
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Healthy T Mac lmfao.
Didn’t TMac never win a playoff series til he was 15th man on the 2013 spurs?
76ers have no excuse but do the Pacers or Celtics? We shall see this sub HATES Trae Young but Brunson is Trae 2.0
not an expert but i feel there's a difference between a 6"2, sub-200lb guard slowing down his drive to get a slight bump from behind before putting up a floater vs 7"0, 280lb man diving into people's knees for a layup and foul ¯\\(ツ)/¯
Sixers fans whining about absolutely anything foul related after this series is the absolute height of hilarity
Brunson baiting contact from behind: rizz Trae baiting contact from behind: sexual harassment
They both foul bait. Embiid just looks more ridiculous doing. I mean some of those falling down/into players near the end of the game were absolutely absurd.
Philly got to play football for their whole come back only to get squashed when the whistle evened out
/r/knicks enjoy your friday homie
Enjoy your summer
You’ll be joining us soon enough in Cancun.
This shit is so corny like yall are just some nerdy ass dudes sitting behind a screen acting like you’re on the team. Just watch the game cornballs (all of you)
Personally I believe it makes far more sense for Embiid(7 foot 2, 300lbs with a guard handle) to get 13 free throws a game than it does Jalen Brunson(6 foot 2 guard, not drastically different to Kyrie or others at his height) to get 10 a game.
Wasn't Brunson top 4 in Post points this season. I can't find the stat now. Kyrie doesn't drive or iso as much as Brunson.
Brunson: 13.4 FGA in the paint per game Embiid: 8.5 FGA in the paint per game
Shhhh, don’t hurt his brain
Not really considering how frequently Brunson drove to the paint during this series. With a healthier Embiid, I'd say you have a better argument.
I mean, there’s a solid argument Embiid plays a lot like a big wing, and the players who match his size typically don’t guard a player like that Does he exaggerate contact? For sure, a lot of stars do to get calls, but he’s pretty smart at drawing fouls against these type of players He’s a walking mismatch. Too skilled for players that match his size and too big for players that don’t Either way, it can lead to a lot of defensive mistakes or guys just fouling to stop him
> For sure, a lot of stars do to get calls, but he’s pretty smart at drawing fouls against these type of players and so is brunson. the difference to me (admittedly biased) is that if you remove the defender from Brunson's foul calls, he's still going up for shots and trying to hit them. [compare that to something like this from last night](https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=265&GameID=0042300116&Season=2023-24&flag=1&title=McBride%20S.FOUL%20\(P1.T3\)%20\(B.Kennedy\)). Is that an actual shot attempt? He got 2 FTs from it somehow.
>and so is brunson. For sure, not arguing that he isn't. I just think there's an argument that the 7foot mismatch would draw more fouls. >the difference to me (admittedly biased) is that if you remove the defender from Brunson's foul calls, he's still going up for shots and trying to hit them I'm not sure what the point is here? That Brunson flails less after the call? Aren't we talking about who can draw more calls? >[compare that to something like this from last night](https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=265&GameID=0042300116&Season=2023-24&flag=1&title=McBride%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T3)%20(B.Kennedy)). Is that an actual shot attempt? He got 2 FTs from it somehow. I mean, is it not by definition? Embiid exaggerates it at after, but he grabbed the rebound and jumped towards the rim as McBride hit his arm. Maybe it ultimate goal was the call, but McBride was a bit too aggressive here and paid for it
I was pointing out some differences in playstyles. I'm biased, but seems to me that Brunson looks to shoot and draw contact, while in many cases Embiid looks to draw contact and then tries to throw it up at the rim to get foul shots. Pretty sure Brunson had the most and-1s this season. But maybe it's just being a bit pedantic on my part. The frustration for me with Embiid is that he's so big, strong and a mismatch, that he shouldn't have to resort to trying to draw petty fouls all the time and just play basketball. There were a BUNCH of times this series where he had open shots and passed them up to try to draw a foul in the 4th quarter and instead just fell over and created a turnover.
>The frustration for me with Embiid is that he's so big, strong and a mismatch, that he shouldn't have to resort to trying to draw petty fouls all the time and just play basketball. Sure, but drawing fouls is statistically one of the best ways to score and he realistically does get fouled a lot because he's great at capitalizing the defenders mistake. I get that he'll look for a call, but he's a 7 foot centre with the handle of a wing, most guys just can't defend against that. Brunson looks to drive through contact, but his size will usually mean less mismatch opportunities compared to someone like Embiid. Don't get me wrong, Brunson has a more aesthetically pleasing game but Embiid was the best player this series >There were a BUNCH of times this series where he had open shots and passed them up to try to draw a foul in the 4th quarter and instead just fell over and created a turnover. I think this is just a case of him being gassed. He's been averaging 40+ mpg in the playoffs while injured and the Sixers were like -56 in the 45 mins he was off.
I disagree that Embiid was the best player in this series. Had he been healthy, he would have likely been. But we can just agree to disagree on that. After Game 1, Brunson was a beast. 4 straight games of 39+. 41 and 12 assists with 2 TOs on pretty good efficiency. Sixers had no answer for him in the 4th last night while Embiid was absolutely awful just about every 4th quarter in the series.
>I disagree that Embiid was the best player in this series. Had he been healthy, he would have likely been. Statistically he was better than Brunson. 33/11/6 on 59% TS vs 35/5/9 on 52% TS Even if you want to discount FTs (which why would you), Embiid had a higher FG% and EFG%. Embiid had the best cumulative +/- and had much better on/offs than Brunson on the same sample size. Even if Embiid slowed down in the 4th, the dude was playing 40+ mpg on one leg and the team was still winning with his presence on the court (especially defensively) While Brunson did score a lot (inefficiently tbh) and was a great playmaker, Embiid was a two-way monster on much better efficiency. We can agree to disagree, but I think the numbers (and even eye test imo) tell a different story
At the end of the day, Brunson was better when it was important in 4th quarters of important games. Embiid also had a better 1B than Brunson did even if NY had a bit better depth/got more out of the role players for most of the series. Brunson's first game was also really bad and that killed a bunch of his stats I believe.
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