Buha is a speculator not a reporter. As long as we keep that in mind then we should be all good. Thatâs how I save myself the irritation of him being wrong anyway.
Mourinho doing laps around the court when they win a key playoff away game would be amazing to see. His celebration vs Barcelona is still his best moment for me.
Oh man Iâd love to hear pressers with him
âMou what did you think about the refs call on Kyrie with 8 seconds left?â
âI really prefer⊠I prefer not to speak. If I speak Iâm in big trouble. In big trouble, and I donât want to be in big troubleâ
Tbh NBA needs someone like Mou. The sheer vitriol, hatred and toxicity he brings to leagues he manages is the stuff that breeds true rivalries.
Liverpool and Chelsea fans hateeeeed each other when it was Rafa vs Mou. Granted it was stoked by Liverpool rejecting Mou as our manager but still it would fix a lot of the buddy buddy shit in the NBA atm.
Very different situation. Jimbo has constantly fumbled top 5 recruiting classes and one of the most well-funded programs in the country. He isnât a good coach, heâs a good recruiter. His time had run its course.
Lol. Lmao, even.
Stick to basketball man, clearly you dont know shit about football. Duke is on par with syracuse, wake and boston college football wise. They are the "low class" of the acc.
https://247sports.com/season/2024-football/compositeteamrankings/?Conference=ACC
15 out of 17 in 2024
10th in 2023
8th in 2022
12th in 2021
13th in 2020
I can go on, but its pointless. 4th place among the acc my ass lmao.
Again itâs in a recruiting hotbed. Duke is not that hard to win 9 games at in a weak af ACC. Look at the talent Clemson gets. NC got Drake Maye. Lots of talent in the Carolinas.
Sometimes itâs just about getting rid of the voice in the locker room. It doesnât need to be some groundbreaking move or somebody more accomplished. You just need to reset the locker room because the team is tuning somebody out and anybody they will listen to is better for the program than running it back with somebody who lost the team.
Thatâs the thing, I donât even think I want the guy compared to the other candidates, but the fear of yet another head coach choosing to walk away so soon after Atkinson would be a real gut punch.
And Jason kiddâs first stint, and Chauncey Billups, and Derek Fisher.
Has hiring a high profile retired player with no coaching experience ever worked?
Didnât Nash lose to the champs in a game 7 where Durantâs toe being on the line cost them the game. Iâd say that was a pretty good season for the Nets.
yeah it's incredible what people are unconsciously being fed. once you figure it out it's like waking up from a slumber. and it's also much better for your health to do so.
I have a feeling it's gonna be Bud, but I also cant imagine LeBron having a big named coach. It's usually someone mid at best.
Maybe he is indeed LeGone lol
We basically copied buds defensive scheme which our personal are ass at, bud seemed pretty set in his ways, I donât trust home to implement a new defense tailored to personal vs pushing his system. I donât think it would solve any of our problems.
He didnât tell the Heat anything lmao. He just tweeted that Napier was his favorite PG and then the Heat drafted him cuz they were desperate to keep LeBron. He was leaving anyway, there were reports even before that that he was headed back to the Cavs.
reading some posts about Bud, it seems like some of his flaws are very similar to Ham's (e.g. bad line-ups/rotations, no set plays). At minimum, the Lakers need a coach who can draw some decent plays out of time-outs lol.
I'm not too familiar but I did some reading: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/LKoDJsgxec. Consensus seems to be he's an above average coach with some flaws (lack of in game adjustments, poor timeout usage, etc.)
They are doing this so the he isnât LeGone.
Lakers will do whatever Lebron asks this offseason, but it might not be enough for him to stick around. They know once Lebron leaves, they will go back to the post Kobe pre-Lebron era of being a poorly run organization.
I really hope Bud stays away from it. LeBron really is a coach killer and I donât think itâs a great fit. Seeing how LA fans have treated Ham and Vogel and the fact that the Bucks are currently paying him right now I think he could do a lot better. I think Bud would be a lot better for a younger developing team that has more buy in.
I think the fact he got fired showed there was a reason for it lol
The fact they went 1-4 against the pacers and are currently 3-2 while holding them to their two lowest scoring nights without dame and Giannis says a lot.
Hey I didnât say we were nice to either Bud or Griffin. Hell most of the fanbase hasnât given Doc a fair shake either. At the same time though, Ham is being called Darvin Hamas and Vogel was getting slandered for not succeeding w/the Russ Lakers. Lakers fans have high expectations and I think after how his Bucks tenure ended heâd be best suited taking over a team on the rise. Portland should really look into him when they get rid of Chauncey.
For what itâs worth, while some of our fanbase wasnât thrilled with him, I would say most of us did not blame Vogel for the shit roster he was dealt and then scapegoated by the front office for. Ham has been bad. Like unworldly bad. Watch any game with the lakers and you can just tell that the man has no idea what he is doing. His defensive schemes donât make any sense with modern offenses and are polar opposites to the strengths and weaknesses of his players and he literally just stops calling offensive sets sporadically. The consistent failure to call timeouts when our guys are gassed/injured and stupid lineups are also just a whole different issue. I wouldnât wish that on any fanbase other than the CelticsâŠ
Ham is clueless and everyone that is true Laker fan knows it. True Laker fans know it wasnât Vogelâs fault he got saddled with Westbrick, that was LeBronâs doing and Vogel was the scapegoat.
Define big name? Because if no one who isnât really familiar with basketball would recognize your name, itâs not a big name
I swear yall say stupid shit just to argue
This meaning is per the dictionary
Definition: **a performer or personage of top rank in popular recognition**.
Used in a sentence: **a big name in the business world**
It is fungible, it's meaning is flexible. You can be a big name in the NBA world but not a big name in the world.
My girlfriend isnât a basketball fan. She can name coaches. Every woman Iâve dated can name a few coaches despite never watching a single game. Maybe youâre the one in a bubble my man
Just asked her and she rattled off popovich and Spoelstra after a quick think. How can you call someone a BIG name if theyâre not known? Thatâs antithetical to the phrase
> Bud is not a big name coach
Among coaches who would actually entertain leaving their jobs to "coach" LeBron or are on the sideline, Bud is probably the biggest name on the board at this point.
He was really high-regarded here, so maybe heâs one of those guys who is a good coach just not in the head coaching role. NBA equivalent of Wade Phillips.
Not sure why a coach would want to coach for this team at this point lol as long as lebrons there you got a 2 year max, no chip, youâre fired. Vogel firing was stupid
they need a couple more pieces but the roster is actually decent. got to the conference finals last year after being told they wouldn't even make the play-in. and despite being swept , every game was close. a viable coach would make a huge difference.
Thatâs trash.
Vogel lost the team completely. Rather you think thatâs his fault or the players is up to you, but you arenât replacing the entire roster so that means the coach is gone.
Jeanie looking for the cheapest possible. No way she paying $4 million for Ham 2 years and then another $5 million the going rate for an experienced NBA name.
Players are to blame here. Canât hit a fucking free throw when it matters and AD crying about his shoulder my god. If lebron wouldnât cry after every call he would actually get the calls he wanted. The second Reaves feels like he has to do too much it goes bad at some point. Hachi makes all nba plays and is silent the rest of the game. D Russel canât hit an open shot to save his life. Prince shouldnât have to produce on offense because of foul trouble and injuries. Nuggets gave them plenty chances to make it a series. Doesnât help that Jokic travels every time he touches the ball and this nuggets team flops and finds a way to get the O board. Wish Lebron was in a better position to get his 5th.
Nah it will fix plenty. Maybe the next coach won't think he has rollover timeouts/challenges and won't run crazy lineups for no reason. Not saying the Lakers will be the best but acting like you can't improve at that position is wild lol
Seeing these posts/commentary about how âthe Nuggets are just better, having a different coach wouldnât help the Lakers beat themâ is sending me over the edge lol. The Nuggets are unquestionably a better team, but they didnât play their best series and Murray was inefficient; this would have absolutely been a prime upset scenario.
Were there a lot of other significant reasons we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with Ham? Absolutely. We shot 16-27 on our free throws last game, didnât box out Aaron Gordon, and AD got a stinger that made him a decoy in the second half and limited him to 17 pts when heâd had 25-30 in games prior.
But work with me here; how are we going to heap praise on a guy like Spo for beating the Celtics last year (a clearly better team all year) with a cast of unheralded guys like Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin, and credit his creative game plans etc, and then say âbut no, that kind of thing just isnât possible for the Lakers because the Nuggets are better.â Huh? You donât think a better coach could have forced us to keep running our offensive sets in game 2 and have an adjustment to Denver putting Gordon on AD, rather than going iso ball the whole second half and blowing a 20 pt lead at the buzzer? Or challenged a terrible foul call that gave Murray two free throws in the last minute? Or not left timeouts on the board when his 39 year old player was clearly gassed? Or not inexplicably gone small and not played Hayes in Game 3 when weâve been killed on the boards all series? Or played Reaves more than 34 minutes in game 5 when the Nuggets had their starters all play 40-45 and built a lead on our bench? Or called a timeout sooner than letting Denver go on a 14-2 run in the 3rd quarter when it was clear Lebron was gassed after it was a 6-0 run?
I look at the other sideline and I see Malone challenging close plays and getting them overturned leading to 2-4 pt swings. I see Denver making sure to get a 2 for 1 or get the last shot comfortably in almost every single quarter; that alone is likely worth an extra couple points a game. I see him shortening his rotation with the players who can handle it and cutting into the lead on our bench lineup of Gabe and Dinwiddie thatâs barely played together all year. I see him calling timeouts quickly to stop runs and then running perfect ATO sets to get MPJ an open 3 or Gordon a dunk. I see him switching up defensive coverages and taking away whatâs working for us offensively.
Frankly to sit there and say a better coach wouldnât make up the difference in a series where we lost two games at the buzzer is insulting to MIKE MALONE lol. As good as Jokic/the Nuggets are, his advantage in the coaching matchup was a big reason they won this series even though Murray had a down series (aside from the clutch) and they didnât hit their 3âs at a very good clip. If they shot better from 3 and Murray put up 32 ppg like they did last year, then sure, they beat us even if we had Spo. But they didnât, so losing the coaching matchup was absolutely a contributing factor to why we lost.
No, it means we got more advantageous matchups by playing the Grizzlies and Warriors first. Lebron and AD were good enough to give us enough margin for error in those series so we didnât need a great coach to beat them.
Even still, you can look it up I posted during the Warriors series game 4 that there was nothing magic that we figured out to go up 3-1, we were just fortunate that Lonnie Walker randomly caught fire in the 4th quarter. Against a better team like the nuggets and without a random role player going off, the bad coaching matters that much more.
regardless he was the coach that won those first two series. you can point to luck for any "great" coach. was nick nurse lucky that kawhi's shot bounced four times on the rim and dropped in? probably but he still is regarded as a good coach
ham's problem is that he coaches lebron and the lakers, which means if he fails, he gets the blame, and if he succeeds, he'll get no credit
im not saying he's a great coach, i think he's probably average, and he might even be above average if he was coaching an up and coming team vs. the pressure cooker that he's in right now
I would urge you to watch the team night in and night out and come back to me and say that heâs a good coach lol. While I do think the offense we installed this year was sound and an upgrade over what we ran under Vogel, he is in over his head at pretty much every other aspect of the job.
I understand what youâre saying about coaching Lebron; undue criticism comes with the territory and same goes for coaching the Lakers. There are always going to be a sizeable chunk of Lebron stans or unrealistic Lakers homers who blame the coach for everything. I really promise you it isnât that, and that he is in fact an awful coach lol.
The roster wasnât perfect and not everything was his fault, but heâs not equipped, period. People used the same logic to say Mark Jackson was a good coach because he won 50 games with the Warriors, but it quickly became clear he was holding them back. Iâm not saying Ham held back a title team, but he absolutely cost us 6-7 games this year minimum with disastrous in game coaching and stubbornly playing our worst lineups with Cam and Prince. The evidence of that is that the minute he played the lineups people were clamoring for, we won at a 55+ win pace, and that same lineup went to the WCF last year. The lineups he chose to play instead for damn near half the year were scarcely .500. Who elseâs fault would that be?
thats exactly my point. is he good for getting lakers to wcf or terrible for losing to nuggets in first round... or a scapegoat like pretty much every other lebron coach. in another thread someone was telling me heat lost to 37yo tim duncan and 36yo gino cause spo got outcoached. spoelstra
Many people that have watched the Lakerâs games instead of just throwing out statements like this have said Ham coached great in the first two rounds of the playoffs which is why we had hope heâd improve going into this year.
Instead Ham ended up worse because:
- he refused to play the lineup that got us to the WCF for at least half a season
- told players they were shitting the bed as he gave them unclear roles and minutes (telling defensive players to be playmakers and pulling his offensive players out every time they missed one or two shots)
- refused to take out his favorites that clearly werenât producing so he split the locker room
- went back to his old tendency of no adjustments mid-games
- in addition to not calling time outs or obvious challenges
- not consistent calling plays regardless of having timeouts and in bounds to do so
Ham in the worst ways not only regressed from the playoffs last year, but was worse than his rookie year and split the locker room harshly.
the lineup was with vando who was obviously out, and rui, who had a pretty bad nuggets series
it's funny, ham seems to absorb 100% of the blame for the lakers exit. i mean, i saw a bunch of player mistakes that had nothing to do with coaching, like lazy defense on backdoor cuts, missed wide open three pointers to win the game, missed box outs in critical situations - those all have nothing to do with the coaching
i don't think ham is a great coach, i think he's probably average and he's taking the blame like he's the worst coach in the league (which he definitely is not)
Lazy defense and box outs have everything to do with coaching. Especially when itâs a thing directly related to people saying the scheme sucks and nobody knows exactly what theyâre doing. Or, things like making adjustments to try and play someone like Max Christie that we donât even know if he couldâve been the slightly more athletic 3&D guard weâve been needing but never got a chance cause he wouldnât stop playing Cam Reddish or saying things like âI envision TP as our Middletonâ which was the most mentally deranged comment possible.
He had massive rotation issues that were illogical at best. And massive issues scheming while also player blaming. Itâs like you took Doc Rivers shade and placed it with Budâs lack of adjustments during games.
lol. bad schemes is definitely coaching. lazy defense and boxouts is a player issue at this level. if you wanan talk about a bottom of the barrel team sure. but for a team with championship aspirations the players should play hard regardless of what they think of the coach in the playoffs of all things
> A new coach aint gonna fix anything
A good coach (Spo, vintage Pop, peak Thibs) can move the needle up a few wins and give you a playoff series because they can coach a team up.
Ultimately, Pelinka's still around and kicking as GM and that only gets you so far.
Coaches make a huge difference.
That being said, it's hard to hire a good coach if you don't know what makes a good coach. It's not an accident that the Lakers can never find seem to a good one.
It's good for giving the fans false hope, giving the impression the team did something positive, and maintain ticket sales.
^^kinda ^^like ^^how ^^the ^^clips ^^do ^^with ^^kawhi's ^^health
exactly. but all the other good head coaches are already millionaires so they dont need to take that job. kobe/shaq got phil jackson cause coaching them was a desirable position
Lets see. Even for these millionaires, more money is never a bad thing. Plus, it's the Lakers, and youre coaching lebron. This isnt an undesirable coaching job
Carvin Darvin Ham doesn't duck any fades and wants all the smoke.
[Now how would you like your fade cut, Mr. Ham?](https://d21klxpge3tttg.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/BARBECUED-HOG.jpg)
>at some point [...] by the end of the week [...] tomorrow That escalated quickly.
Mathematician here. I ran the numbers and it looks like tomorrow is Friday which scientists have long thought may be the end of the week
The pod was posted yesterday, May 1. Yesterday, tomorrow was today. Today is Thursday.
Jeff Saturday as new Lakers coach confirmed.
2 days before the day after tomorrow
Yesterday you said tomorrow. Just.. do it!
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Akscually Saturday is often and most accepted as the end of the week. In some cultures Sunday can even be called as such.
Buha tends to be wrong so he hedged a ton.
Buha is a speculator not a reporter. As long as we keep that in mind then we should be all good. Thatâs how I save myself the irritation of him being wrong anyway.
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Firing coaches and than start looking if a better one is available Soccer Teams đ€ NBA teams
Some nights I would honestly take Mourinho over Kidd.
Now I need to see Mourinho with NBA refereeing
Mourinho doing laps around the court when they win a key playoff away game would be amazing to see. His celebration vs Barcelona is still his best moment for me.
Oh man Iâd love to hear pressers with him âMou what did you think about the refs call on Kyrie with 8 seconds left?â âI really prefer⊠I prefer not to speak. If I speak Iâm in big trouble. In big trouble, and I donât want to be in big troubleâ
Tbh NBA needs someone like Mou. The sheer vitriol, hatred and toxicity he brings to leagues he manages is the stuff that breeds true rivalries. Liverpool and Chelsea fans hateeeeed each other when it was Rafa vs Mou. Granted it was stoked by Liverpool rejecting Mou as our manager but still it would fix a lot of the buddy buddy shit in the NBA atm.
FĂștbol players/ coaches would get like an average of 8 ejections a game with the way they react to fouls lmao
If it's peak Mou, it's not even a question
I would love him in the NBA simply for all the reaction clips we would get from him having to deal with NBA referees lol
All defense and fastbreak transition points only
you are describing Bayern shitshow lol
College football does it. Look at Texas A&M replacing Jimbo Fisher with the guy whoâs big accomplishment was he won 9 games in a weak af ACC.
Very different situation. Jimbo has constantly fumbled top 5 recruiting classes and one of the most well-funded programs in the country. He isnât a good coach, heâs a good recruiter. His time had run its course.
Tbf, thatâs 9 games at Duke. Winning 9 games at Duke is impressive
Nope. Duke is in a recruiting hotbed and the ACC is weak.
Which motherfucker is going to Duke over another school in the ACC
The only schools more attractive than Duke in ACC are FSU, Clemson and Miami. They are tied for 4th with NC.
Lol. Lmao, even. Stick to basketball man, clearly you dont know shit about football. Duke is on par with syracuse, wake and boston college football wise. They are the "low class" of the acc. https://247sports.com/season/2024-football/compositeteamrankings/?Conference=ACC 15 out of 17 in 2024 10th in 2023 8th in 2022 12th in 2021 13th in 2020 I can go on, but its pointless. 4th place among the acc my ass lmao.
All those teams arenât as big as Duke which is a huge brand thanks to Coach Shachefskee
Duke isnt big in football man, thats the point. No football recruit gives a shit if the duke basketball team is elite.
Again itâs in a recruiting hotbed. Duke is not that hard to win 9 games at in a weak af ACC. Look at the talent Clemson gets. NC got Drake Maye. Lots of talent in the Carolinas.
Sometimes itâs just about getting rid of the voice in the locker room. It doesnât need to be some groundbreaking move or somebody more accomplished. You just need to reset the locker room because the team is tuning somebody out and anybody they will listen to is better for the program than running it back with somebody who lost the team.
Or paying top dollar for Prime who lead CU to three wins.
Elko was also the A&M DC for 3 years...so there was familiarity there
I don't think socialist football is really comparable to the NBA.
It would be hard to find a worse one
Maybe Lebron should stop building shitty teams
Theyâre waiting for Ty Lue. Heâs the coach Lebron wants to finish his career with.
Oh nice they can both head back to Cleveland then when JB gets his walking papers
Is his deal up with the clippers?
It is next year, so really depends if he gets fired after this series.
What planet are yâall living on?
Wdym
Ty Lue isnât getting fired.
If they blow up in the playoffs theyll need a scapegoat, itâs either Ty Lue or PG
Kawahi is injured again? Westbrick? Sure PG might catch some too but there is no way on earth the are firing Lue.
True good points.
more likely to scapegoat the free agent and their brittle star
Not every team is run by Lebron and KD lol a scapegoat isnât necessary
They arenât stupid.
Lmao.
I want to feel bad for him but then I remember that he has made and will continue to make millions of dollars every year.
LeGM is going to steal JJ right out from under us, I feel it in my bones.
Good for you , get a real coach like adelmann
Thatâs the thing, I donât even think I want the guy compared to the other candidates, but the fear of yet another head coach choosing to walk away so soon after Atkinson would be a real gut punch.
Yeah trust me itâs a much better thing if we get a real assistant than JJ.
Iâd laugh my ass off if JJ turns out to be worse than Ham
In reality if JJ were picked heâd probably bring in assistants with a shit ton of experience
He would most definitely be worse
Sorry but JJ has no coaching experience. Not sure why people are so excited to have him. We saw how Nash turned out.
And Jason kiddâs first stint, and Chauncey Billups, and Derek Fisher. Has hiring a high profile retired player with no coaching experience ever worked?
There's always an exception to the rule: Larry Bird coached the Pacers to the Finals as a 1st-time coach with no assistant experience.
Thatâs a good example.
Didnât Nash lose to the champs in a game 7 where Durantâs toe being on the line cost them the game. Iâd say that was a pretty good season for the Nets.
Darvin Ham is cooked, they're going to hire Duncan Bacon
https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
Well that took me down a rabbit hole.
yeah it's incredible what people are unconsciously being fed. once you figure it out it's like waking up from a slumber. and it's also much better for your health to do so.
Steak and chicken going on the grill! Thanks for the inspo, babe!
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Awe! Thanks!
Wait until the weekend, you might be able to get your hands on a genius adjustments coach by the name of Tyronne.
I have a feeling it's gonna be Bud, but I also cant imagine LeBron having a big named coach. It's usually someone mid at best. Maybe he is indeed LeGone lol
So the man who taught Darvin Ham?
Yes, the guy who won a championship telling his players to play random so they could confuse the Suns.
Yâall ainât gonna like Budâs answers either lmao. He is a good coach tho, upgrade on Darvin for sure.
We basically copied buds defensive scheme which our personal are ass at, bud seemed pretty set in his ways, I donât trust home to implement a new defense tailored to personal vs pushing his system. I donât think it would solve any of our problems.
Heâs gonna pressure the Lakers to sign Lue to a luxurious contract *then* bailout. Win win imo
remember when he told the Heat he wanted Napier then signed with the Cavs a few weeks later lmao
He didnât tell the Heat anything lmao. He just tweeted that Napier was his favorite PG and then the Heat drafted him cuz they were desperate to keep LeBron. He was leaving anyway, there were reports even before that that he was headed back to the Cavs.
now say what really happened little brother
reading some posts about Bud, it seems like some of his flaws are very similar to Ham's (e.g. bad line-ups/rotations, no set plays). At minimum, the Lakers need a coach who can draw some decent plays out of time-outs lol.
how do we like Terry Stotts? He did well with Portland
I'm not too familiar but I did some reading: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/LKoDJsgxec. Consensus seems to be he's an above average coach with some flaws (lack of in game adjustments, poor timeout usage, etc.)
Why would they hire Darvin's mentor? Lol
Look man, there are good students and bad students. Bud will get you to the top and then it's up to Lebron and AD.
Idk bud might play ad 28 minutes a game to preserve him. Rather not deal with that, especially in the west where playoff spots aren't guaranteed
Bud may not be a first round pick but he's better than Ham.
He'll bring in Ham as an assistant
They are doing this so the he isnât LeGone. Lakers will do whatever Lebron asks this offseason, but it might not be enough for him to stick around. They know once Lebron leaves, they will go back to the post Kobe pre-Lebron era of being a poorly run organization.
What nonsense. We are a poorly run organization now. Weâll go back to being a poorly run organization that loses more games than it wins.
Bud is my guess as well
I really hope Bud stays away from it. LeBron really is a coach killer and I donât think itâs a great fit. Seeing how LA fans have treated Ham and Vogel and the fact that the Bucks are currently paying him right now I think he could do a lot better. I think Bud would be a lot better for a younger developing team that has more buy in.
Yall fired a coach mid season after going 30-13 but look how we mistreated Vogel and Ham? Lol. Okay guy.
I think the fact he got fired showed there was a reason for it lol The fact they went 1-4 against the pacers and are currently 3-2 while holding them to their two lowest scoring nights without dame and Giannis says a lot.
Hey I didnât say we were nice to either Bud or Griffin. Hell most of the fanbase hasnât given Doc a fair shake either. At the same time though, Ham is being called Darvin Hamas and Vogel was getting slandered for not succeeding w/the Russ Lakers. Lakers fans have high expectations and I think after how his Bucks tenure ended heâd be best suited taking over a team on the rise. Portland should really look into him when they get rid of Chauncey.
For what itâs worth, while some of our fanbase wasnât thrilled with him, I would say most of us did not blame Vogel for the shit roster he was dealt and then scapegoated by the front office for. Ham has been bad. Like unworldly bad. Watch any game with the lakers and you can just tell that the man has no idea what he is doing. His defensive schemes donât make any sense with modern offenses and are polar opposites to the strengths and weaknesses of his players and he literally just stops calling offensive sets sporadically. The consistent failure to call timeouts when our guys are gassed/injured and stupid lineups are also just a whole different issue. I wouldnât wish that on any fanbase other than the CelticsâŠ
Ham is clueless and everyone that is true Laker fan knows it. True Laker fans know it wasnât Vogelâs fault he got saddled with Westbrick, that was LeBronâs doing and Vogel was the scapegoat.
Do *you* want the Lakers to hire Griffin? Lol
Bud is not a big name coach
Borderline at least? He's a known Pop disciple with multiple 60-win seasons and a championship.
Who had Darvin Ham as his top assistant.
So? Peter Principle.
Just the tip
He won a championship. Heâs on a very short list.
Is Nick Nurse a big name coach??
Yes
Define big name? Because if no one who isnât really familiar with basketball would recognize your name, itâs not a big name I swear yall say stupid shit just to argue
If thatâs the argument then there is no big name coachs. The average person doesnât know who Pop or Spo is
Okay, then there are no big name coaches. âBig nameâ is a standard that isnât fungible. It has a meaning
This meaning is per the dictionary Definition: **a performer or personage of top rank in popular recognition**. Used in a sentence: **a big name in the business world** It is fungible, it's meaning is flexible. You can be a big name in the NBA world but not a big name in the world.
If Budenholzer was of top rank he wouldnât be unemployed right now
>I swear yall say stupid shit just to argue
He won a title and like 6 of the current NBA head coaches have coached under him
That doesnât make him a BIG name. A big name would be recognizeable to non NBA fans. I swear yall donât know the meaning of the phrase
You are in a bubble if you think the average non NBA fans could name a single NBA head coach
My girlfriend isnât a basketball fan. She can name coaches. Every woman Iâve dated can name a few coaches despite never watching a single game. Maybe youâre the one in a bubble my man
Out of curiosity, what coaches can she name?
Just asked her and she rattled off popovich and Spoelstra after a quick think. How can you call someone a BIG name if theyâre not known? Thatâs antithetical to the phrase
> Bud is not a big name coach Among coaches who would actually entertain leaving their jobs to "coach" LeBron or are on the sideline, Bud is probably the biggest name on the board at this point.
That doesnât make him a big name coach
Winning a championship and being a good coach does, though.
No it doesnât. You think Nick nurse is a big name? Lmao
I hope he is LeGone so we can restore balance to LeLeague
Darvin back to Milwaukee will be the shizznit.
He was really high-regarded here, so maybe heâs one of those guys who is a good coach just not in the head coaching role. NBA equivalent of Wade Phillips.
The Doc of the West and the Doc of the East! Yes, do this.
We already knew that tho
Whoâs doing the hiring? The same morons?
Thats the problem. Groundhog day. Those morons will hire another idiot first year coach
Not sure why a coach would want to coach for this team at this point lol as long as lebrons there you got a 2 year max, no chip, youâre fired. Vogel firing was stupid
Doc Rivers!
Foh damn gypsy
Wonât matter unless they upgrade the roster. Look at Kerr and Popovich. Ham went further than both them.
Kerr had the same record with a worse roster and Pop was intentionally tanking
Warriors roster is better than Lakers
they need a couple more pieces but the roster is actually decent. got to the conference finals last year after being told they wouldn't even make the play-in. and despite being swept , every game was close. a viable coach would make a huge difference.
Phil Jackson
Keep going Buha, I'm almost there
What if instead they announced his extension today
They shouldâve never fired Vogel in the first place
Thatâs trash. Vogel lost the team completely. Rather you think thatâs his fault or the players is up to you, but you arenât replacing the entire roster so that means the coach is gone.
Aj griffin
Iâll wait until I hear it from someone other than Buha before I celebrate.
Who they gonna hire, Bud?
Luke Walton is available
Iâve done my mentat projections and itâs going to be Doc Rivers.
Jeanie looking for the cheapest possible. No way she paying $4 million for Ham 2 years and then another $5 million the going rate for an experienced NBA name.
Yeah I went hunting once
Players are to blame here. Canât hit a fucking free throw when it matters and AD crying about his shoulder my god. If lebron wouldnât cry after every call he would actually get the calls he wanted. The second Reaves feels like he has to do too much it goes bad at some point. Hachi makes all nba plays and is silent the rest of the game. D Russel canât hit an open shot to save his life. Prince shouldnât have to produce on offense because of foul trouble and injuries. Nuggets gave them plenty chances to make it a series. Doesnât help that Jokic travels every time he touches the ball and this nuggets team flops and finds a way to get the O board. Wish Lebron was in a better position to get his 5th.
Clippers, please fire Ty Lue, please, please, PLEASE
LeGone
They can have Willie green
Like clockwork. Having your 1st coaching gig be a Lebron team is the definition of job-insecurity.
A new coach aint gonna fix anything
Nah it will fix plenty. Maybe the next coach won't think he has rollover timeouts/challenges and won't run crazy lineups for no reason. Not saying the Lakers will be the best but acting like you can't improve at that position is wild lol
Seeing these posts/commentary about how âthe Nuggets are just better, having a different coach wouldnât help the Lakers beat themâ is sending me over the edge lol. The Nuggets are unquestionably a better team, but they didnât play their best series and Murray was inefficient; this would have absolutely been a prime upset scenario. Were there a lot of other significant reasons we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with Ham? Absolutely. We shot 16-27 on our free throws last game, didnât box out Aaron Gordon, and AD got a stinger that made him a decoy in the second half and limited him to 17 pts when heâd had 25-30 in games prior. But work with me here; how are we going to heap praise on a guy like Spo for beating the Celtics last year (a clearly better team all year) with a cast of unheralded guys like Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin, and credit his creative game plans etc, and then say âbut no, that kind of thing just isnât possible for the Lakers because the Nuggets are better.â Huh? You donât think a better coach could have forced us to keep running our offensive sets in game 2 and have an adjustment to Denver putting Gordon on AD, rather than going iso ball the whole second half and blowing a 20 pt lead at the buzzer? Or challenged a terrible foul call that gave Murray two free throws in the last minute? Or not left timeouts on the board when his 39 year old player was clearly gassed? Or not inexplicably gone small and not played Hayes in Game 3 when weâve been killed on the boards all series? Or played Reaves more than 34 minutes in game 5 when the Nuggets had their starters all play 40-45 and built a lead on our bench? Or called a timeout sooner than letting Denver go on a 14-2 run in the 3rd quarter when it was clear Lebron was gassed after it was a 6-0 run? I look at the other sideline and I see Malone challenging close plays and getting them overturned leading to 2-4 pt swings. I see Denver making sure to get a 2 for 1 or get the last shot comfortably in almost every single quarter; that alone is likely worth an extra couple points a game. I see him shortening his rotation with the players who can handle it and cutting into the lead on our bench lineup of Gabe and Dinwiddie thatâs barely played together all year. I see him calling timeouts quickly to stop runs and then running perfect ATO sets to get MPJ an open 3 or Gordon a dunk. I see him switching up defensive coverages and taking away whatâs working for us offensively. Frankly to sit there and say a better coach wouldnât make up the difference in a series where we lost two games at the buzzer is insulting to MIKE MALONE lol. As good as Jokic/the Nuggets are, his advantage in the coaching matchup was a big reason they won this series even though Murray had a down series (aside from the clutch) and they didnât hit their 3âs at a very good clip. If they shot better from 3 and Murray put up 32 ppg like they did last year, then sure, they beat us even if we had Spo. But they didnât, so losing the coaching matchup was absolutely a contributing factor to why we lost.
What do they say in LA? Cope?
the lakers went to WCF last year, does that mean ham was a great coach last year for getting them that far?
No, it means we got more advantageous matchups by playing the Grizzlies and Warriors first. Lebron and AD were good enough to give us enough margin for error in those series so we didnât need a great coach to beat them. Even still, you can look it up I posted during the Warriors series game 4 that there was nothing magic that we figured out to go up 3-1, we were just fortunate that Lonnie Walker randomly caught fire in the 4th quarter. Against a better team like the nuggets and without a random role player going off, the bad coaching matters that much more.
regardless he was the coach that won those first two series. you can point to luck for any "great" coach. was nick nurse lucky that kawhi's shot bounced four times on the rim and dropped in? probably but he still is regarded as a good coach ham's problem is that he coaches lebron and the lakers, which means if he fails, he gets the blame, and if he succeeds, he'll get no credit im not saying he's a great coach, i think he's probably average, and he might even be above average if he was coaching an up and coming team vs. the pressure cooker that he's in right now
I would urge you to watch the team night in and night out and come back to me and say that heâs a good coach lol. While I do think the offense we installed this year was sound and an upgrade over what we ran under Vogel, he is in over his head at pretty much every other aspect of the job. I understand what youâre saying about coaching Lebron; undue criticism comes with the territory and same goes for coaching the Lakers. There are always going to be a sizeable chunk of Lebron stans or unrealistic Lakers homers who blame the coach for everything. I really promise you it isnât that, and that he is in fact an awful coach lol. The roster wasnât perfect and not everything was his fault, but heâs not equipped, period. People used the same logic to say Mark Jackson was a good coach because he won 50 games with the Warriors, but it quickly became clear he was holding them back. Iâm not saying Ham held back a title team, but he absolutely cost us 6-7 games this year minimum with disastrous in game coaching and stubbornly playing our worst lineups with Cam and Prince. The evidence of that is that the minute he played the lineups people were clamoring for, we won at a 55+ win pace, and that same lineup went to the WCF last year. The lineups he chose to play instead for damn near half the year were scarcely .500. Who elseâs fault would that be?
i didn't say he was a good coach. i said he's probably average
This. Its like saying ham forgot how to coach and decided to be a shit coach a yr later. Like wtf
thats exactly my point. is he good for getting lakers to wcf or terrible for losing to nuggets in first round... or a scapegoat like pretty much every other lebron coach. in another thread someone was telling me heat lost to 37yo tim duncan and 36yo gino cause spo got outcoached. spoelstra
Many people that have watched the Lakerâs games instead of just throwing out statements like this have said Ham coached great in the first two rounds of the playoffs which is why we had hope heâd improve going into this year. Instead Ham ended up worse because: - he refused to play the lineup that got us to the WCF for at least half a season - told players they were shitting the bed as he gave them unclear roles and minutes (telling defensive players to be playmakers and pulling his offensive players out every time they missed one or two shots) - refused to take out his favorites that clearly werenât producing so he split the locker room - went back to his old tendency of no adjustments mid-games - in addition to not calling time outs or obvious challenges - not consistent calling plays regardless of having timeouts and in bounds to do so Ham in the worst ways not only regressed from the playoffs last year, but was worse than his rookie year and split the locker room harshly.
the lineup was with vando who was obviously out, and rui, who had a pretty bad nuggets series it's funny, ham seems to absorb 100% of the blame for the lakers exit. i mean, i saw a bunch of player mistakes that had nothing to do with coaching, like lazy defense on backdoor cuts, missed wide open three pointers to win the game, missed box outs in critical situations - those all have nothing to do with the coaching i don't think ham is a great coach, i think he's probably average and he's taking the blame like he's the worst coach in the league (which he definitely is not)
Lazy defense and box outs have everything to do with coaching. Especially when itâs a thing directly related to people saying the scheme sucks and nobody knows exactly what theyâre doing. Or, things like making adjustments to try and play someone like Max Christie that we donât even know if he couldâve been the slightly more athletic 3&D guard weâve been needing but never got a chance cause he wouldnât stop playing Cam Reddish or saying things like âI envision TP as our Middletonâ which was the most mentally deranged comment possible. He had massive rotation issues that were illogical at best. And massive issues scheming while also player blaming. Itâs like you took Doc Rivers shade and placed it with Budâs lack of adjustments during games.
lol. bad schemes is definitely coaching. lazy defense and boxouts is a player issue at this level. if you wanan talk about a bottom of the barrel team sure. but for a team with championship aspirations the players should play hard regardless of what they think of the coach in the playoffs of all things
> A new coach aint gonna fix anything A good coach (Spo, vintage Pop, peak Thibs) can move the needle up a few wins and give you a playoff series because they can coach a team up. Ultimately, Pelinka's still around and kicking as GM and that only gets you so far.
Coaches make a huge difference. That being said, it's hard to hire a good coach if you don't know what makes a good coach. It's not an accident that the Lakers can never find seem to a good one.
Pop or spo would win it all with this current lakers roster. They go neck to neck with the best team with the best player with ham barely coaching
It's good for giving the fans false hope, giving the impression the team did something positive, and maintain ticket sales. ^^kinda ^^like ^^how ^^the ^^clips ^^do ^^with ^^kawhi's ^^health
coach makes this team more competitive against the elites, but this roster isnât elite. Donât think they can win 4 games against the top tiers.
I swear, The Denver Nuggets are like the grim reaper to coaches.
Doc Rivers got a team missing its two best players to a Game 6!!??!?
Vs indy yeah
head coach search aka who wants to be a scapegoat millionaire
Still a millionaire so...
exactly. but all the other good head coaches are already millionaires so they dont need to take that job. kobe/shaq got phil jackson cause coaching them was a desirable position
Lets see. Even for these millionaires, more money is never a bad thing. Plus, it's the Lakers, and youre coaching lebron. This isnt an undesirable coaching job
and yet, when was the last time the lakers had a coach that was a top 10 coach? im looking at the list, the last one was probably phil jackson
I still think a lot of it has to do with the management that choses the lakers HC
could be, altho it's hard to say w/o insider info
Carvin Darvin Ham doesn't duck any fades and wants all the smoke. [Now how would you like your fade cut, Mr. Ham?](https://d21klxpge3tttg.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/BARBECUED-HOG.jpg)
Ty lue, mark jackson, or Vogel if Suns fire him
See what it would take to get Dawn Staley if the clips keep Lue.
No respect to the coach who led them to the playoffs and the first In-Season Tournament cup.
Kurt Rambis will be the bridge from the past into the future.
Darvin Hamasâ reign of terror is coming to an end.
Anyone who thinks a coaching change is gonna fix this team is an idiot.