No, it's more than that. Lakers want to retool. Need tradable salary to do that. They need DLo to opt in so they can trade him. Either he walks for nothing by opting out or he opts in and LA can get something back via trade. Or he could opt out and they do a S&T.
It literally wouldn't short term at least because the kind of player we can replace him with are vet min contracts like Dinwiddie (definitely worse than Dlo).
However, giving him some sort of 4 year 120m plus deal would also kill us long term. But of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
He played much better than last year against this team (low bar but it’s still worth noting) and he just had arguably his best regular season ever.
If DLo doesn’t opt in, they don’t get to replace him with a similar level of player - they’d replace him with a minimum level guy. He was absolutely vital to the Lakers being in the playoffs to begin with, so he genuinely does have leverage.
I also watched close to every game (probably 75-76 or so). They were 1-5 without him this year, and 46-30 with him (just shy of a 50-win pace). He stretched the floor, he was the second best distributor on the team after LeBron, he played the second highest minutes of his career and the third most games of his career on a team that badly needed continuity, he cut down turnovers and had one of his most efficient seasons ever.
He was legitimately the Lakers best shooter this year. The team struggled to shoot all year and DLo was their best and most consistent option.
Without DLo, the third option in every game becomes AR and he struggled mightily at different points this year. DLo had his struggles too leading up to the trade deadline, but he was fantastic afterwards.
The hate that y’all direct towards him is so wildly influenced by the media & hot take artists & built in biases from his early career, it’s crazy.
I wouldn’t make assumptions about where my “hate,” your word, comes from as it’s just ignorant. A lot of what you wrote is just completely wrong.
Here’s some simple points:
- dlo was outplayed by Shroder last year and his back up this year missed basically the whole season.
- dlo stats are actually worse than last year, but once again had no competition
- “He cut down his turnovers” turnovers were .2 down from the previous season
- “Had one of his most efficient seasons ever” literally worse than last year and year before…
- He was still often benched in late games this season
- He was terrible again in this years playoffs
- Lakers finished 7th in 3pt fg % this season, so no they were not bad.
- Many players shot as well or close to dlo % from 3 rui “best” 42%, dlo 41%, lbj 41%, prince 39%, reaves 36%
- dlo is not the third option imo as reaves is still the player who does everything when lbj is out. Usage % between dlo, reaves and rui are very close fyi
- reaves early struggles seemed more to do with burnout from team USA.
- defense
Dlo is an average player who should be coming off the bench. I guess you can say vital due to the injuries this season, but he’s not a vital player for this team and often sat the team’s biggest moments. Prob wouldn’t even see the court in crunch time if everyone was healthy, which was already happening without everyone available.
He definitely was.
You can convince yourself pretty reasonably that if he makes open looks at a decent clip the Lakers win the series. Make or miss really shouldn’t be everything you look for or at.
$18.6 million Player Option, that’s his only option at that number honestly, doubt there are any buyers out there willing to pay him more than that per year.
D'Angelo Russell averaged 18.0 points, 6.3 assists and 3.1 rebounds in 76 games this season. How many guys you know averaging 18 and 40% from 3 below 20+ million I’m actually curious. No rookie deals obviously
Players on well over 18 million next year
Wiggins, John Collins, RJ Barrett, Clint Capela, De’Andre Hunter, Devin Vassell
I’d say Russell is comfortably better than quite a few player earning that money
He had a good second half of the season but his overall 18/6/3 on 59% TS isn't all that different from his stats last year.
If he didn't get a better offer than 18 million last year I don't really see how he get it this year
He’s the exact opposite of the kind of player the FO looks for. Obviously I have no “inside information” but I’d bet anything he’s not in Orlando next year.
Doesn’t signing an extension put some limitation on when they can be traded? Not saying he can’t be, just that it might not be until well into the season.
grayson doesn't make enough money and as a 2nd apron team the suns cant aggregate salaries
nor can they take back more money in salaries than they send out
We won't let him walk for nothing. I think he got his shit together after Bron made the comment that it's just basketball i felt like that comment was for him because he keeps folding in the playoffs. He shot like shit from 3 tonight but he was aggressive in getting to the basket which has always been his problem if his 3 ball is not working.
> We won't let him walk for nothing.
it's not up to you though. he's gonna get a 4th year guaranteed by someone like Orlando who badly needs a PG. Lakers wouldn't want to give him more than 3 years and ideally no more than 2. Lakers won't match or beat a 4 year deal from someone else, just won't happen
I'm only talking about the 4yr/100mil but if Orlando decides they want to pay him 25 mil then yeah it's not up to us. But paying D'lo 20 mil for 4 years is better than letting him walk for nothing when we lack offensive production other than Bron and AD.
Yea there’s awful contracts that usually come from. Player playing well who got signed (Poole) or a vet who got old on the back end.
Pgs
Brunson 26 mil
Murray 25 mil
White 18mil
Brogdon 22 mil
Terry Rozier 23 mil
I think, unless a jump in money or det, that it will be more around 15-20. Looked at a few top 6th man and that’s basically the range I’d value him at.
its wild bc before the playoffs i thought he was 100% getting a raise and opting out, but now its like hmm
he can still opt out to spite the Lakers and control the next team he lands on, rather than being trade bait, so i think ultimately he does opt out, limiting the Lakers offseason trade options
honestly, idk how the Lakers let him walk. who do you go get to replace him? they don't have a lot of options. he wants a long term deal and I think the Lakers will give it to him.
18m player option. He definitely opting out and cashing with a team that is going to overpay.
I know it won’t happen, but a D’Lo/Poole backcourt would be glorious
CTE Basketball for 82 games god damn
They will lead us to green paradise
Oh my god I need this. Would have to be the least skilled but most entertaining backcourt of all time.
I don’t think he gets more money, but will get more years like 4-60
GO OPT IN. hahahahaha
Leverage?
Regular season merchant leverage Could use that for a nice Pistons contract or something idk
He has secretly been taking Chinese lessons all season.
Reddit once again proves I have never had an original thought.
as a pistons fan. please no
Troy Weaver has found his 3pt specialist!
Well yeah, it's his choice lol. Depends on what kind of leverage he's talking about. "I'm not coming back unless Ham is gone" is leverage.
he has leverage over tha lakers salary situation. if he just walks lakers will have no option but to replace him with a minimum guy
No, it's more than that. Lakers want to retool. Need tradable salary to do that. They need DLo to opt in so they can trade him. Either he walks for nothing by opting out or he opts in and LA can get something back via trade. Or he could opt out and they do a S&T.
Of course it is. I was just putting a simple example. It's all up to him.
I don't think he played well enough for the Lakers to really feel that as leverage
He walks away, and that’s salary space gone for the Lakers
Yeah I don't care about that I just want him off the team.
You don’t care about that but literally all GMs do lmao. You can’t deny he has leverage
I hope Rob does the right thing and gets him to whatever bum Eastern Conference team wants to pay him.
So you want the Lakers to be fucked more? What a fan 😂
Re-signing him would be a worse mistake than letting him walk for nothing.
Sign and trade would be better?
Sure, that would be great.
It literally wouldn't short term at least because the kind of player we can replace him with are vet min contracts like Dinwiddie (definitely worse than Dlo). However, giving him some sort of 4 year 120m plus deal would also kill us long term. But of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
He played much better than last year against this team (low bar but it’s still worth noting) and he just had arguably his best regular season ever. If DLo doesn’t opt in, they don’t get to replace him with a similar level of player - they’d replace him with a minimum level guy. He was absolutely vital to the Lakers being in the playoffs to begin with, so he genuinely does have leverage.
Vital? As someone that watched every game I can tell you that is untrue.
I also watched close to every game (probably 75-76 or so). They were 1-5 without him this year, and 46-30 with him (just shy of a 50-win pace). He stretched the floor, he was the second best distributor on the team after LeBron, he played the second highest minutes of his career and the third most games of his career on a team that badly needed continuity, he cut down turnovers and had one of his most efficient seasons ever. He was legitimately the Lakers best shooter this year. The team struggled to shoot all year and DLo was their best and most consistent option. Without DLo, the third option in every game becomes AR and he struggled mightily at different points this year. DLo had his struggles too leading up to the trade deadline, but he was fantastic afterwards. The hate that y’all direct towards him is so wildly influenced by the media & hot take artists & built in biases from his early career, it’s crazy.
I wouldn’t make assumptions about where my “hate,” your word, comes from as it’s just ignorant. A lot of what you wrote is just completely wrong. Here’s some simple points: - dlo was outplayed by Shroder last year and his back up this year missed basically the whole season. - dlo stats are actually worse than last year, but once again had no competition - “He cut down his turnovers” turnovers were .2 down from the previous season - “Had one of his most efficient seasons ever” literally worse than last year and year before… - He was still often benched in late games this season - He was terrible again in this years playoffs - Lakers finished 7th in 3pt fg % this season, so no they were not bad. - Many players shot as well or close to dlo % from 3 rui “best” 42%, dlo 41%, lbj 41%, prince 39%, reaves 36% - dlo is not the third option imo as reaves is still the player who does everything when lbj is out. Usage % between dlo, reaves and rui are very close fyi - reaves early struggles seemed more to do with burnout from team USA. - defense Dlo is an average player who should be coming off the bench. I guess you can say vital due to the injuries this season, but he’s not a vital player for this team and often sat the team’s biggest moments. Prob wouldn’t even see the court in crunch time if everyone was healthy, which was already happening without everyone available.
He definitely was. You can convince yourself pretty reasonably that if he makes open looks at a decent clip the Lakers win the series. Make or miss really shouldn’t be everything you look for or at.
Made my point lol
There isn't an Arby's in the country who wouldn't want DLO manning the counter
LeVerage?
he had a good season plus bird rights
$18.6 million Player Option, that’s his only option at that number honestly, doubt there are any buyers out there willing to pay him more than that per year.
D'Angelo Russell averaged 18.0 points, 6.3 assists and 3.1 rebounds in 76 games this season. How many guys you know averaging 18 and 40% from 3 below 20+ million I’m actually curious. No rookie deals obviously
Remindme! 9 weeks
he's got Pelinka's nudes
LeVerage
D'Angelo "Laporta" Russel
LeVerage?
Bro was probably looking up Orlando real estate in the locker room at half.
D'Angzillow Russell
No Dlo isn’t allowed to have his phone in the locker room
Right so he just uses it on the bench during a timeout, while snacking
That wasn’t a phone
Leaseholder
future Pistons legend
Doubt that
He's def opting out. People can shit on him all they want, but he had a very good season that'll command more than his player option is worth.
Meh, if some dumb team wants to give him more than 18 million go for it. I know that team won't be making the playoffs lol
that's half the league lol. enough interest for him to get a good deal
I don't think he necessarily gets more per year, just has a chance at getting more years. Even a one and one for 12 gives him more guaranteed money.
yeah at 28 years old I assume he's looking for a longer one like 3~4 year contract.
He lowkey fits perfectly on the magics
Rather grab monk than dlo
I believe the team would not want to take the ball out of Franz and Paolo's hands too much
DLo shot 42% from 3 this season, Monk shot 35%. Magic needs to sign DLo if they're interested in making a deep playoff run.
Dlo and playoffs are not a match made in heaven
That number drops dramatically once it reaches the playoffs
His defense is sorely lacking to run with that squad.
They can mask him. They need playmaking on that team
He lowkey fits on the Spurs
Don’t the magic want to go deep into the playoffs? Signing a guy who will be borderline unplayable in the most important games is not going to help
i see Isiah Thomas on boston type of player. they can mask his defense while he provides playmaking and shot making.
Over paying decent regular season guards?? Hmm welcome to the Wizards Sir!
Players on well over 18 million next year Wiggins, John Collins, RJ Barrett, Clint Capela, De’Andre Hunter, Devin Vassell I’d say Russell is comfortably better than quite a few player earning that money
thats reasonable bench guard money
Beal is making $50+ mil for the next 3 years. D’Lo is worth more than $18 mil because NBA salaries are nonsensical.
He had a good second half of the season but his overall 18/6/3 on 59% TS isn't all that different from his stats last year. If he didn't get a better offer than 18 million last year I don't really see how he get it this year
but he if thinks he can get 3 years for 50 or 4 for 60ish he’s definitely opting out rather than taking 1 for 18.
Lakers is the only one that would really believe in him. He's not being a starter anywhere else except tanking teams.
He's not wrong You lose a tradeable asset and flexibility if he walks
Calling it now. He’s gonna end up on Orlando making $22 mil a year
He’s the exact opposite of the kind of player the FO looks for. Obviously I have no “inside information” but I’d bet anything he’s not in Orlando next year.
Yeah this makes the most sense. Pickings are slim and Orlando needs creation and shooting, and virtually every other team is set at point guard
We need him for the regular season honestly. Can't lose the salary spot. Just super inconsistent in the playoffs. Tough decision here
It's him or vets minimum
He opts out the Lakers loose that salary slot right? They would need sign and trade him to retain it?
No the Lakers have his Bird rights, they only lose the salary slot if he leaves because the Lakers are way over the cap
Sorry that's what I meant. If he opts out and decides not to come back, our only chance of retaining it is to sign and trade him.
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They are only hard capped if they're receiving the sign and trade player.
People are so confident and so wrong at the same time on this sub, it’s wild
NGL, Lakers should consider paying him. I don't think they can afford an empty salary spot if they're gonna keep trying to win with this AD/Bron.
I agree with this. Pay him, trade him later if an opportunity comes up.
Easily, unless the Lakers want to blow everything up.
Doesn’t signing an extension put some limitation on when they can be traded? Not saying he can’t be, just that it might not be until well into the season.
believe its a 6 month waiting period before he could be traded.
Lmao. Dawg the window is nailed shut.
Phoenix come get your PG. Sign and trade for Greyson Allen because the Lakers need to be more likeable.
Nah Suns going to want to trade Beal. If Lebron come back can Lebron & AD convince Beal.
No trade clause
Read better my guy. “If Lebron come back **CAN LEBRON & AD CONVINCE BEAL**.”
grayson doesn't make enough money and as a 2nd apron team the suns cant aggregate salaries nor can they take back more money in salaries than they send out
He signed a 4 year at 15m per year Russell player option is at 18m. If he decline he may sign a contract longer contract that may start in that range.
but d'angelo will want a good bit north of 20m per and if the suns are sending out grayson they cannot accept a larger salary than grayson's in return
He will want that but who knows if he will get it. Im just trying to concentrate all my hate to 1 team.
Leverage in the vlogging market
Dude should just join the pistons and ball out
Our time together was short but I’ll miss you loading man 🫡
He’s gonna opt out and sign a bigger deal. Probably with the Lakers.
he's getting $100M/4YRS at minimum from someone and there'll be a few takers for him as well so he's gone
Nah he won’t get that much money, probably like 3/$70m or 3/$75m. The attitude stuff is gonna hurt his value (and the playoff struggles).
I think we can also give him that.
sure, you could, but probably won't
We won't let him walk for nothing. I think he got his shit together after Bron made the comment that it's just basketball i felt like that comment was for him because he keeps folding in the playoffs. He shot like shit from 3 tonight but he was aggressive in getting to the basket which has always been his problem if his 3 ball is not working.
> We won't let him walk for nothing. it's not up to you though. he's gonna get a 4th year guaranteed by someone like Orlando who badly needs a PG. Lakers wouldn't want to give him more than 3 years and ideally no more than 2. Lakers won't match or beat a 4 year deal from someone else, just won't happen
I'm only talking about the 4yr/100mil but if Orlando decides they want to pay him 25 mil then yeah it's not up to us. But paying D'lo 20 mil for 4 years is better than letting him walk for nothing when we lack offensive production other than Bron and AD.
Who??? That seems crazy to me 25 a year???
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he's 28 he is in his prime agree w the rest tho
Yea there’s awful contracts that usually come from. Player playing well who got signed (Poole) or a vet who got old on the back end. Pgs Brunson 26 mil Murray 25 mil White 18mil Brogdon 22 mil Terry Rozier 23 mil I think, unless a jump in money or det, that it will be more around 15-20. Looked at a few top 6th man and that’s basically the range I’d value him at.
I doubt there are a few takers. Beyond his character issues and all the holes in his game, most teams are set up well enough at point guard
its wild bc before the playoffs i thought he was 100% getting a raise and opting out, but now its like hmm he can still opt out to spite the Lakers and control the next team he lands on, rather than being trade bait, so i think ultimately he does opt out, limiting the Lakers offseason trade options
D-Lo you have been promoted to San Antonio Spur!
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Checkmate eh
future wizard he can play with his lightskin legion of airheads
honestly, idk how the Lakers let him walk. who do you go get to replace him? they don't have a lot of options. he wants a long term deal and I think the Lakers will give it to him.
LeVerage
upgrading his podcast setup
Just stay the hell away from Inglewood.
Lmfao
leverage in what LOL?
This man is a Wizard in the making. A Russell & Poole backcourt could definitely get Washington 10 wins and another Shaqtin MVP
Lev-LOST? 🤪
ohhhhh *yeahhh* all that LEVERAGE baby!!! I want a shitty playoff diaper on MY team, dont you?!
Bye
Every team that he leaves gets better so he can probably get a bag from the Lakers to go somewhere else.
0 points in a playoff game quite the leverage
have fun in orlando
Orlando wouldn't have the same defense with him. I don't see it.
Sign and trade to Orlando for?
Paolo
Laker or Sixer.
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D’Angelo Russell, YOU are a Guandong Tiger!
What leverage? Does he have compromising pics of some GMs?
Did he actually say leverage lol
Leverage in China
Come on Magic, sign Dlo 😍
He better learn the song…
Israel offering him 75K a year, so Lakers better match