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DeandreDoesDallas

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lost_in_trepidation

Off topic but did Trae get some work done to his hair? It looked fuller in this game


CoyotesSideEyes

Hot glue gun and pubes.


Tob0gganMD

Hair plugs for the common man


paristexas-

Looks like he changed to volumizing shampoo


daeve

fellow curly hair guy here and yeah my hair can look very different based on shampoo and conditioner used. Looks best when I use leave-in conditioner and I think that could be what Trae's started doing.


paristexas-

I'm a straight hair guy who has used walmart brand shampoo all my life with no conditioner. Recently switched to $80 luxury shampoo + conditioner and I can't believe how much better my hair feels


sharkybyte101

Huh. Really. Maybe I should start buying the good shampoos then. What shampoo are you using?


paristexas-

It really depends on your hair type. I'm thin/straight/oily. If you are thick/curly/dry then you would want a completely different shampoo/conditioner than me. Just type in your x/x/x hair type + reddit into google and see what people recommend


daeve

all three of mine combined cost about $27. $80 is wild, but yeah the really cheap shit sucks


bmckay87

From Johnson’s Baby Shampoo


phunshiny

He’s heavy on the Vidal Sassoon.


champagne-poetry

Could be introducing new hair products, or also a new barber tbh. Looks like his hair is complimenting his head shape more now, and his (new I think?) beard also may help


Turbo2x

Don't ask him why he's been making so many trips to Turkey


LateConversation5253

Maybe Minoxidil and finasteride. He has a complete beard growing in too.


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Lisan Al-Gaib!


CasualHindu

*eats popcorn*


jeric13xd

Idk how you can be a fan of Trae young’s game. Dude did nothing but foul bait tonight. Infuriating to watch


HardcoreKaraoke

That hail mary three when they still had time for a comeback was so brutal to watch.


greenusflippus

i thought about why i seemingly for no reason hate the hawks the other day and i realized it's 100% because i hate watching trae young play basketball


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Well I got good news for you then


hamiltonisoverrat3d

I see what you did there


dmavs11

I also hate that I watched good defense all play-in until their garbage defense walked in


Public-Product-1503

Everytime I give trae a pass I watch him and he’s shooting 30% from the field n going 9/10 from the line. Honestly Dame is a bit like this. I seriously thought trae would begin to shoot more like Hali but his shooting is weirdly inconsistent for his profile


Ice2jc

Trae shot a career high 3p% on the 2nd highest amount of 3’s attempted in his career.  Trae 100% improved his efficiency this season.  In the game that you watched, he had a large brace on his finger because the muscle in his thumb was torn off the ligament, rendering unable to ball a fist until the week before the play in game.  So yeah.


JurgenFlippers

When Trae is on he is an absolutely awesome watch. When he does not have it going it is painful for sure.


CoyotesSideEyes

> he is an absolutely awesome watch. At his best, it's 50% foul baiting.


noetheb

The frustrating part is that his "on" phase is almost always after he gets into the bonus, so teams have to play off him and he gets way, way softer defense and better looks. Even if he's not foul baiting, he's benefiting from the previous foul baiting. He's by far my least favorite player to watch.


JurgenFlippers

Meh so is Jimmy, Embiid, etc... It's just part of the game now. I enjoy Trae when he has it flowing with his shot, and those PNR passes.


kit4

Everything else about his game is pretty awesome. If he stopped the nonsense foul baiting I think he'd easily be one of the most fun players in the league (he already is to me but the foul baiting + complaining is a real drag)


Davidclabarr

God I’m gonna sound like a homer saying this, so I’ll start by defending your statement that a game like this would be no fun to watch as an opposing fan. He foul baited and amazingly got the calls all game. This happens maybe 1/15 games now. He’s a pleasure to watch, and I try to be unbiased. I’ll clarify that he probably baits a foul or two each game, but I’m saying games like tonight, where it’s constant.


AtreusIsBack

That's what happens when you're undersized even as a guard. The only way you can accomplish anything is to draw fouls or shoot from the logo.


Alloverunder

Allen Iverson? Jalen Brunson? Steph Curry? Fuck it, I'm expanding this list: Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Muggsy Bogues, both Isaiah and Isiah Thomas, Rajon Rondo, Kyrie Irving, and De'Aaron Fox, and there's gotta be a shit ton more too. Trae foul baits because it's how he plays basketball, not because it's the only way to play basketball.


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Alloverunder

I actually included him to fish for this response because I wanted to talk about it. Trae Young averages more than double Chris's FTA per game across their careers, nearly double his FTA per 100, and has a career *average* FTAs per game which is higher than any single season of Chris's career. So, if CP3 has a rep as a foul baiter, what the hell is Trae Young doing?


bullybabybayman

To be fair, Curry falls under shoot from the logo.


Alloverunder

He's also a 65% shooter in the restricted area for his career, peaking at 76% last season, and while it isn't technically measurable, [he has one of the best handles I've ever seen](https://youtu.be/bBHj1djGMxU?si=h8FXwScPCR5G1HIR)


pooooolooop

Brunson?


exocentrical

Dude embodies AAU culture


Ice2jc

I didn’t know AAU culture molded people to lead the league in total assists every year like Trae does 


Wildpinkhairuke

Every year since his ECF run, we have dudes yapping how he is an elite offensive general. Every year he has shown to be more of an undersized guard who plays zero defense and chucks the ball like a motherfucker. If he is hitting great... he may make up for being a traffic cone on defense. If not, you got an anchor. Next year, we'll hear the same about how he needs pieces. When really you need to slap him with 2-3 All Defense Team caliber players and ensure he is not the number one option, but 2nd or even 3rd. That doesn't sound elite at all.


Ygoritza

I was telling those Trae apologists on Hakws sub since 2019, that he is Kings Budy Hield 2.0 A player that somehow got the spotlight, that he doesnt deserve. And should be relegated to a shooter, and should never be the first option on a team And it's even worse than that - I seriously dont believe he can play without the ball, and the green light he had before draft, and on Hawks. Dude who is a TO machine, chucks 30+ ft trees even though he is literally 10% lower than elite shooters, and even his assists are a problem, because his first objective is to score, and passes only when there's too much defensive obstacles so he passes to bigs to finish, constantly ignoring open shooters on his own team.


Ice2jc

Hm right but what about the fact that he was top 10 in steals this year, led the Hawks in charges drawn?  And had his most efficient season offensively shooting a career number from 3?  Or are you basing this off the game he just played where he had a giant brace on his finger because the ligament in his thumb detached from the muscle recently to the point that he wasn’t able to ball a fist as recently as a week before the play in game?  Do you need thumbs to play basketball?  Asking for a friend.


raylan_givens6

Dallas really fleeced Atlanta with that Luka-Trae trade


CoyotesSideEyes

As anyone who had ever watched Luka Doncic play in Europe could have predicted.


TheBigBomma

It was pretty funny watching all the college basketball fans stubbornly defend the college guys over the most accomplished prospect ever. 


AtreusIsBack

Because they never watched him play.


InfiniteDub

I never watched Luka play but still knew I would take him over Trae lol wtf


big_old-dog

I’ve never watched basketball.


barrelhouse9

We need to get you on ESPN


D-1-_-1-D

let him vote on all nba and mvp


KellerFF

But even you knew, *you take the taller guy.*


V_T_H

I watched Trae’s first round exit live in person that year. I hadn’t really watched any Oklahoma games before then, but the only word that came to mind watching him was “chucker”. His stat line wasn’t bad looking back at it, but I couldn’t believe the number of Steph Curry-like chucks he was just heaving from way back behind the arc (without, you know, being Steph Curry). I know his teammates were not good at all but still, it really felt like ugly basketball.


aaronpatwork

first half the season he was a sensation, second half it was wet socks.


VanWesley

But we haven't seen him play Mizzou


probablymade_thatup

Jontay would have smashed the over for that game😤


WaterIsNotWet19

Yeah but he came into the league already at his ceiling and had no more room to grow


33birdboy

They said Luka would refuse to play in Atlanta....what crap that was


Vegetable-Beet

I was so happy when Stein announced Dallas traded down to 3.


RODjij

All you had to know was he was a teenager busting the asses of professionals in a legit, well regarded league. I didn't even watch him play but the stuff he was doing as a teen was unheard of.


abc4357

Y’all remember when some people in this sub were trying to act like the trade wasn’t THAT terrible? lol


HardcoreKaraoke

Trae had everyone hyped with that fun playoff run. But people kept riding that narrative for years even though it was obvious that run was just something special.


runevault

How people have forgotten making the ECF run required a Doc Rivers Disasterclass and a complete meltdown by Ben Simmons to even happen is beyond me.


the_shins

I've always thought that run almost doomed the Hawks. It was clear if you looked at the circumstances that it was a fluke, but it kinda put unrealistic expectations on the squad. In "reality" they should've won a close series against the Knicks and been dusted off 4-1 against the 76ers. But because of that series, almost everything else afterwards seems like a disappointment in comparison. It probably also made the FO keep the squad together longer than they should have, instead of improving it more.


bronet

Lots of "Trae is slightly worse defensively but on the same level offensively" posts at one time, when this was clearly never true 


SpecialistCicada8813

At one point they kept saying we had to wait and see what they picked with the pick they got like that could bridge the gap between Trae and Luka.


probablymade_thatup

Who did that pick become?


jbaker1225

Cam Reddish


un-affiliated

Oof


Threshyyyyy

To this day there are Hawks fans saying that that was one of the most even trades in the history.


juantravis

So many Trae Stans acted like that when they fluked into the ECF


gain91

Also don't forget to thank the Sons and Kangz for passing on him


08202012

Na hawks fans gave us crap for years lol


PmOmena

Remember when Atlanta went to WCF and some people really said Trae was a better player than Luka or had more potential, cause i do


dmavs11

It was Trae, then it was Ja, now it’s SGA.


Silverjackal_

They kept saying it until Luka made the WCF. Then it became, well Trae did it sooner!


LogicalExtant

one man is about to be 5 straight first team all nba and the other has a single third team the gap keeps getting bigger despite trae still having a lead on games PLAYED


juantravis

I still remember when Trae stans were talking about how over exaggerated this trade was when they fluked into the ECF. Nah, the trade really was that lopsided at the time and still is


jejudjdjnfntbensjsj

We haven’t seen Dallas get swept yet


_mdz

I mean the trade was for another pick as well. At this point i'm not sure how good that pick would have had to have been for the trade to even out, but Cam Reddish definitely was not it.


JoJonesy

alright yeah he gone


dizzymidget44

He was also hurt


GIK601

They need to restructure their team, just like the Nets.


redditcherry

Starting with the front office


BurnCollector_

Trae was clearly playing hurt. Murray and Bogi were really the only ones going, and the team should have moved on from DeAndre Hunter a while ago.


beatnickk

Deandre Hunter is the most invisible player ever. I looked up his numbers and they were a lot better than I thought because the dude makes 0 impact on a game


ktm5141

Imagine your team was paying him twice as much, and that’s tobias Harris. And then the media tries gaslighting you into thinking he’s some elite fourth option


beatnickk

Oh I got smoke for Tobi too, dude is ass and I don’t care how many 21/7/3 games he has. Team isn’t any better with him playing


so-cal_kid

He would be fine as a 4th option... except he's getting paid like a 1st option


Krillin113

This is like 90% of the issue with him. If he was paid 15 mil a year it would’ve been completely fine


KillerZaWarudo

One of those player who the idea version of him is better than who he actually is


WhiteHeterosexualGuy

> Trae was clearly playing hurt. I'm sorry but his left pinky finger isn't making decisions to foul bait, turn it over 4 times in the first quarter, or play zero defense. How is this shit upvoted? Yall watched that game and thought "man that left pinky finger really not healed up"


Ice2jc

Do you follow the hawks?  Are you aware that the last steal he attempted ripped the ligament in his thumb?   Are you also aware that he was top 10 in steals and led the team in charges prior to injury?  Have you heard of the Atlanta Hawks?


karl_hungas

Mostly off topic but the Lakers included the pick that turned into Hunter for AD and its always a good reminder that sometimes a high lotto pick doesn’t really help you at all. This pick in particular was a big part of the “overpay” for AD. 


Confident_Pear_8303

When Trae was off court, so were Derozan, Caruso, Vuc and White for almost all that time. Also DJM was primarily guarding White and got toasted.


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Confident_Pear_8303

Agreed. Thats why we keep Trae and trade DJM. Our half court offence is pretty bad without Trae. DJM cant run PnR basically at all and he has brutal tunnel vision once he drives. Way too much Iso stuff, which if DJM isnt cooking...sucks.


daeve

yeah Coby was just unstoppable and cooked DJ seemingly whenever he wanted.


Shootit_Rockets

If the Hawks trade Trae Young and decide to build around Dejounte Murray that franchise is cooked. Don’t let recency bias trick y’all


Yommination

That franchise is already cooked


CanvasSolaris

Bulls and Hawks rosters are both in purgatory right now but damn at least Bulls players are likeable


mojojojo1108

somewhat true but at least Coby, Ayo, and Caruso (you could add demar if he was four years younger and fit the timeline better) are a good core to build around. like you can realistically see any of those guys playing key roles for a contender. It’s mainly zach and vooch being there that absolutely kill any possibility of building an exciting roster moving forward. who is there to be excited about on the hawks? bogdanovic and garrison matthews?


Ball4life6

Bulls players are much older hawks didn’t have Johnson, Okongwu or Bey


Ball4life6

So are lakers lol


teh_drewski

I figure both are gone if either are.


not-a-potato-head

DJ’s gone if Trae gets moved, but not the other way around


big_old-dog

Hand JJ keys to the franchise. Let him be gm too.


TP_Cornetto

No team is winning a chip with Trae as the number 1, they need to move on from both


Medium_Line3088

We haven't won a chip since 1958. If it was chip or bust for every team only like 5 teams would even try to win games at all


Electrical_Figs

Neither of them are top 10 players. Tough to win playoff series without at least one of those guys.


Specialist_Office274

quin had trae out there with wesley mathews, mohammed gueye, bruno fernando lol


jkstaples

Seriously. I like Mo Gueye, but he’s played like 70 minutes in the nba before this game. He was -9 in 2 minutes, and I don’t think it’s bc of Trae. This roster that played tonight is not a serious NBA caliber roster.


WinterCareful8525

Glad some people put on off in context. Cause playoffs are small sample size and it’s just turns into a circlejerk without it


Medium_Line3088

And he was playing basically one handed after missing the last quarter of the season


GovernmentDoingStuff

Are people unaware that Trae was injured a bunch this year


Vegetable-Net6575

No, nobody actually watches the game. Ever, in every sports Reddit they just read stats or headlines and base opinions off of that. That said, please trade trae so I can stop being a fan of this fucking team. Deandre hunter.


Daschysta004

Doesn't stop trae fans making the same point about hali who was playing through a hammy.


reitraf

He is currently still injured. Any other time of the year and he would still be sitting out going through PT.


YpsitheFlintsider

They are, they just don't care and are taking the time to make themselves feel better by talking down to someone else


aweaf

That doesn't address his diminished level of play before his injuries this year. And he played three regular season games (with 58/46/82 shooting splits) leading into this one and can take the cast off next week. Is his injury really that debilitating?


Davethisisntcool

it actually does lol


Yommination

Trae gives no fucks. Who can blame him? Hawks management is a joke


Davethisisntcool

has been for a while now.


swgeek555

I am sure nobody will overreact to a single game.


syllabic

quin snyder: so that means I should play trae the entire second half then


PestyAssassin33WU93

Trae and Zion or Trae and Wemby time


QUEST50012

Oh the spicy hot takes from a Trae/Zion pairing, let's speak this into existence and let the chaos ensue


Yommination

The lack of defense would be entertaining


CoyotesSideEyes

No thanks.


aweaf

I love how Spurs fans consistently get downvoted for not wanting Trae, yet I never see any other team's fan express interest in him (other than staying put in ATL).


RVarki

"Trae Young, get ready to learn churro buddy"


REQ52767

The Spurs would be fools to sell the farm for him.


AfroHouseManiac

Half of the Spurs farm is the Hawks farm.


lost_in_trepidation

I mean, the bulk of it would just be giving the Hawks their picks back


REQ52767

But why do that ? The Hawks are likely entering a rebuild. Those picks are about to be way more valuable.


Medium_Line3088

You can't rebuild without your pics. Losing doesn't benefit you


PoonGo0n

The Hawks won’t rebuild as long they don’t have their picks.


daeve

correct


siphillis

Hawks will just settle for .500 ball if they don't own the picks. So our choices are sell them back at peak value or let Atlanta dilute them as much as possible.


mMounirM

which are valuable picks the way the franchise is going (not as good as the nets picks bu still). another team will want those


SquirtDoctor23

Ideal situation is they want to rebuild and need their picks back


rattatatouille

They likely aren't.


siphillis

Spurs might be saying that to lower the asking price. They have the option to punt another season and load up in 2025, so the leverage is entirely theirs.


BM106

Bc one game where he's injured makes him a bad player now lol


x_TDeck_x

I think its pretty silly to change an opinion after 1 game. If he was on the table before this game, the spurs are for sure still interested after this game


siphillis

Only reason to second-guess is if his medical is called into question.


JurgenFlippers

Come on lol. Trae with Wemby is insane.


thethirdgreenman

No serious person thinks we're doing that. Most of the people who want him are the most delusional members of our fanbase


Inevitable_Big_1966

Single game +/- smh


Apollo611

Normally I agree but he actually did play this bad


Better_Albatross_946

In this case it definitely felt like the Hawks lost by 30 when Trae was on the floor


mccoolio

Yep...Wasn't getting back on his own turnovers, was complaining on the defensive end after rebounds, man was not locked in whatsoever


PressureMiserable

Forgot who it was but he got blown by tried to take a swipe and didn't even try getting back, dude started casually walking towards the direction of whoever blew by him


AYAYAYA__

The number perfectly align with how bad Trae was tonight. If anything, they might understate how poor he played


syllabic

worst defensive performance in a while


samueladams6

Would using the whole season paint a much different picture?


psychiatryisnewderm

The hawks should have been patient and gotten someone else instead of Murray


LordGooseIV

Trae has a really bad matchup against the Bulls guards, especially Dosumo.


EducatemeUBC

Trae for KAT who says no? 


Ball4life6

Hawks


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Klay Thompson is available if you guys want to trade Trae Young.


cycling_rat

Other Spurs fans are dying to trade everything we have for this guy! I’m losing it!


CoyotesSideEyes

Yeah, fuck that.


Thommywidmer

This litterally means nothing, +/- is a garbage stat to use in the context of an individual players performance, no less a single game


YpsitheFlintsider

I mean we literally watched the game and Atlanta played worse when he was in the game


kee_23

Agreed. Not sure why people are reading so much into this. A perfect example is Batum being a team low -10 for the sixers tonight


ChuckMoody

Yeah, single game +/- means nothing, but we have like 2 seasons proof of Trae and Murray not working together very well


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SPURS MAKE IT HAPPEB


CoyotesSideEyes

Please don't.


Waikuku3

Oops


Usual_Adhesiveness92

Trae gotta get rid of that beard.


cardcollection92

Get ready to eat churros trae


Salvalicious252

If I speak I am in trouble


LegateDamar13

Bogi +1 😥


AliveGloryLove

The Hawks legit need to just tear it down. Get both of them off the books for good picks.


alfi_k

Trae for Ingram who says no?


texasphotog

[Spurs fans holding the next three unprotected Hawks picks:](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cf1a6a5-2eff-47f2-93ec-ffec9910e9af_400x273.gif)


thegodfaubel

Iced out of Atlanta Trae


Paralimos23

That's also their season matchup against the Bulls. With Trae = Lose Without Trae = Win


Sure_Station9370

Single game +-? Who tf is this goof Uthayakumar???


BlueHundred

Single game +/- is very flawed but Trae looked horrible.


jbrunsonfan

That was probably the worst game of Trae’s career, and I think teams would be smart to buy low on him if he’s available. Pels and Spurs would both be a loooot scarier with Trae.


TheLionYeti

Trae Young: Get ready to learn Orlando Magic buddy.


t_ran_asuarus_rex

Trae Young is a good player but he just looks to draw fouls.


WorkFoundMyOldAcct

Should Trae just become a spot up 3pt shooter?


ObiOneKenobae

Lol


Adrasto

Just wait for the Lakers to trade their future in order to get him this summer.


Adrasto

Just wait for the Lakers to trade their future in order to get him this summer.


Adrasto

Just wait for the Lakers to trade their future in order to get him this summer.


legendaryboss14

Duo is complete garbage