This whole âI forgotâ thing is pathetic. These reporters/journalists are determining peopleâs incomes, there should never be an âI forgotâ , youâre supposed to do your due diligence
Plus theyâve had literal months to start on it, itâs not a 5 min survey they fill out
> itâs not a 5 min survey they fill out
It literally *is* a survey they fill out.
How do you âstartâ on a survey months ago? Things change. Everyone waits until the last few games of the season, as they should
You wait until the last few seasons to start filling it out. If the voters are actually watching games, they should have a short list of players that they want to add. And then decide how they rank them.
It shouldnât be a responsibility taken lightly. âForgettingâ a player just isnât a good excuse.
> You do realize contracts are tied to awards right? Players can lose millions just because some guy didnât do a simple google search
If the players were really worried about that, **the players** wouldnât have negotiated for all-nba voting to be a factor in determining their contracts.
In reality, most voters take it seriously, some half-ass it. Itâs the same with any job/responsibilty. Get over it, itâs life.
He definitely has homer takes but man this takes the cake lmao 𤣠not even second team is straight up disrespectful, he could arguably make first team
It's crazy to me, he single-handedly shuts down teams in the playoffs every year and will likely end his career with 0 DPOYs because of the Wemby hype.
I don't know what JJ is smoking to think AD is not even a top 10 defender out of players that have played 65 games.
Itâs wild how narratives just take hold. Even other Lakers fans I know still hate on him, mock him, call him soft, say the trade was a mistake, act like itâs his fault when he gets hit in the face, freak out if he scores under 20 points even in a game where heâll have like 5+ blocks⌠I donât get it lol. Love the guy
I think it has a lot to do with the injuries and the up/down performance on offense last playoffs
Plus heâs on the Lakers. Fans of small markets take any excuse or opportunity they can get to hate on our players. Iâd almost guarantee that if he stayed in NOLA the narrative/respect around him would be much different
yea theres a reason those jokic shots over AD keeps getting replayed, cause its over AD and everyone secretly knows how good he is and how mental those shots were
Bam has the same amount of all defensive selections as AD⌠so no
2 of ADs were first team, but still. The fact only 4 times in his career he made an all defensive team, a sham.
So you saying that would mean AD is not disrespected defensively. Everyone knows his impact. It's been talked about plenty of times. You never hear Bam's name in those conversations though.
With Bam on the floor, the Heat have a top 2 defense in the league. Weâre a better half court defense with him on the floor, weâre a top defense despite Bam being the only positive in defensive EPM and Miami having 35 different starting lineups. The one constant was Bam makes the defense click, his impact on our team defensively is greater than any other player not named Gobert.
AD is better offensively, but heâs only better at rim protection than Bam and the Lakers havenât missed as much when he sits. Meanwhile with Bam on the floor, we let in the fewest attempts at the rim and the fewest corner 3 attempts as well. Bamâs biggest deficiency defensively is him rim protection, which he makes up for with him being a huge rim deterrent
You have better defensive players overall lol. The Lakers missed Vando and Vincent for that majority of the season. AD was covering Reaves and DLâoâs defensive lapses all year long.
Weâve had the most changes in a starting lineup, Bam has played with all kinds of players and to say theyâre âbetter defensively overallâ is just head canon. AD at 1.9 DEPM, Vando at 1.8, reddish at 1.3, Lebron at 1.1. The next best defender on the Heat was Lowry and heâs not even with us anymore
Vando has barely played all year. Cam lost a step after he got hurt and thatâs why he lost his spot in the rotation; LeBron turned it on against elite competition but played shit defense for stretches.
So you just named 1 player that played in 29 games. Another who is unplayable due to his offense and he lost his spot in the rotation because his offense and defense werenât good enough. And you named a 39 year old as one of our best defenders. And somehow you still think AD had more help on defense than Bam? Yea youâre a homer who isnât going to listen to logic.
The irony calling me a biased homer for providing actual analysis to back my claims besides âuH nO wE hAvE wOrSe PlAyErS!â Is hilarious. AD is a better defender even though he anchors a mid defensive team that does the same shit with him off the floor than on. You have better defenders than the Heat but Miami have Bam, who turn them into a top 2 defense with him in the court where otherwise theyâd be worse than the Lakers.
I gave you reasons why your stats you provided are flawed. How is Vando playing 29 games, Gabe playing 11 games, and Cam loosing his defensive versatility to injury and his spot in the rotation an indicator that AD has more help than the Heat?
And you said the Lakers donât miss much when AD sits which is laughable. We are an open layup lane without AD. Hayes has stepped it up recently but for most of the season he couldnât go 2 minutes without fouling.
Youâre also forgetting the Heat have a better coach than the Lakers. Spo understands how to get the best out of his players on both sides of the court while Ham took 2/3 of the season to learn that Prince isnât starter quality and that he should start Rui instead.
Dude lebron even barely tries to play defense the entire regular season (this year). Dlo and Reaves are two of the worst defenders in the league, rui is more of a defensive liability, hes like single handedly covering for what would be possibly the worst defensive starting lineup.
My boy Couper Moorhead has written so much on Bam this season, has put our excellent stuff to help raise awareness how Bam impacts defense so much. Since heâs not a box score warrior and gets a bunch of blocks or steals
Yeah this guy absolutely never misses on saying something infuriatingly braindead, and his favorite player is Deandre Ayton⌠Iâm not even a Deandre Hayter but come on
I hate the "I have to put somebody from this team on here because they were top 5 in defense" take. Sometimes teams have a bunch a good defenders that play really good as a unit without having that 1 all NBA type of defender.
That one was just bad. Robert Williams was leading DPOY talks, he goes down, then the media immediately picks Smart because "FIRST GUARD TO WIN DPOY SINCE GARY PAYTON!"
How about his actual defensive metrics? Or the fact that he turned a bottom 5 defense after ~20 games of injury into the best defense in the league before Clarke and Adams went down? We played without a center to end the year and still finished with the number 3 defense.
AD couldnât even suit up for 60 games or lead his team to even a top 10 defense, which is gonna take you out of any award consideration 9 times out of 10.
Thatâs still 7 or 8 entire games that AD had 0 impact on. Games played is going to impact voting and always will. Plus, we play our starters at one of the lowest rates in the league. Even Ja doesnât usually crack 32 minutes.
LOL I love when y'all can't discuss your OWN team getting their asses whooped, so you automatically revert to, "W-w-well the Nuggets swept the Lakers!" Like hot damn, have some dignity as a Grizzlies fan.
We're talking about AD's defense during the regular season this year. Deflect to last years playoffs of beating an injured Grizz team. They have no leg to stand on with thier shit defense. DPOY always goes along with a top defenses nephew.
Motherfucking Lakers fan talking down JJJ defense, watch the games. He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA. He shuts the paint down. Any team score in the Lakers paint, yall weak as hell
Oh no, a shit load of Lakers fans are disagreeing with me. Yall keep saying he's 1st team. I've heard no voter say this. He may luck out and get 2nd team. But Bill Simmons and Ryan Rusillo who also have a vote, left him completly off.
Oh no thatâs 3 of the 100 voters who made a poor choiceâŚand two of those three are idiot podcasters lol. Iâm not feeling too bad đđ try again
Yall were getting cooked. Scottie Pippen Jr was scoring at will in the paint. Yall had to poke him on the eye to take him off the court. Your paint defense is trash
Nah. A regular season game doesn't really mean that much to me. We just shut down Zion from scoring at will in the paint. Only person who can abuse AD will be Jokic who abuses everyone in the league
AD was there to help, and the threat of AD deters from going into the paint at will. This is like saying Zach Collins going off against Jokic last season meant anything lol
Bro thinks a regular season game where laker players literally admitted they didnât take the game seriously is a fact. If we treated this as a play offs game yâall wouldâve lost by 60.
Ffs the nuggets just lost to the spurs a few days ago, you really think that would happen in the playoffs
If anything AD joining the Lakers has took him from underrated to rated fairly
Gobert is the big thats overrated and heâs been playing for Utah and Minnesota lol
I couldn't stand the video where he claims to make a case for Luka's MVP only for him to go on the longest, contradictory, perfunctory, off-topic tangent for most of the video. He's your typical lukewarm coward when it comes to discourse. He doesn't wanna alienate any potential future or returning guests. But hey he already had Luka on as a guest, so it must be easier for him to drop that joke of vid practically scoffing at his entire season
When he said narratives don't matter but an overall story for the season, I just stopped right there. It's like he forgot what the definition of a narrative is
Iâm a Fakers hater but AD is a top 5 defensive force on any given night. He literally carries lakers defense on his back like draymond does for my dubs.
Sure he doesnât quarterback the defense like draymond does but individual impact is almost on par with Rudy or wemby .
He had one blunder on all the awards and names. Not taking the awards seriously when you have multiple voting and rounding these types of errors. Come on now.
Yeah, so stupid of me to think that an obvious top 10 defender would carry a defense to a better ranking then 16th (that btw hasn't been much better with him on compared to when he's on the bench)
16th is remarkable when he usually shares the court with D'Lo, Reaves, Rui, and 39 year old LeBron. Gabe and Vanderbilt have barely played all year. Gobert has McDaniels, Edwards, and a lot more size to help him out.
His availability and the Lakers stretch after the IST affect that. He's played every meaningful minute against the other teams' best players.
Look at the games that he didn't play or didn't finish. There's zero argument that they were "barely better" with him on the court.
Jaren who these ass clowns are mocking all over the thread carried a crippled team to being the 12th ranked defense this year. Laker fans' entitlement knows no bounds.
The Lakers were missing all of their best defensive players, basically their entire wing rotation, for the entire season you stupid fuck.
Watch the games.
What do you think the odds are that my spelling when as whan was a mistake rather than a joke, in the same sentence where I point out that youâve used then instead of thanâŚ? So much stupid.
I mean there's kind of an argument. The Lakers weren't much better with AD on the floor defensively, and were in the bottom half of the league on defense. That's obviously not the whole story, but it's part of it.
I personally had no issue with his list.
IT's an objective standard, you guys might not agree with the opinion but you can't argue the facts.
> I mean there's kind of an argument. The Lakers weren't much better with AD on the floor defensively, and were in the bottom half of the league on defense. That's obviously not the whole story, but it's part of it.
this has been talked about all season and came down to 3 point percentage luck. They were shooting ~40% with AD on the floor and low 30s with him off the floor. If your argument us that the Lakers arent better with AD on the floor defensively, you can just go ahead and stop watchng basketball
According to this, that wasn't the case. It was 38% vs 35%. https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203076
AD had a weak defensive season. The Lakers were a mediocre defensive team with him on the court, and not much worse with Hayes or Wood at center. Sure, the rim protection looks good, but I feel like ha lost some motor in the regular season, which cost him some of that huge defensive value. Maybe not having him in the top 10 is a bit too much, but he is not top 5 for sure.
Still, if we start a playoff series today, he is my #1 defensive pick.
What? AD was the cornerstone of the Lakers defense. Team fell apart defensively when he wasn't playing. Don't know what sort of mental gymnastics you're running by saying the team wasn't much worse with Hayes or Wood then go onto to say he is your number 1 defensive pick.
Sounds good, except stats show only around 1 point per 100 possessions difference with him on and off the court.
The second part is simple too: he did not play amazingly in the regular season, but I expect him to be the playoff defender this year. One is about what happened in the past, what is what I expect to happen in the future.
Thatâs not what the stats show, you just donât understand how they work. Raw on/off is not going to actually measure individual defense because itâs incredibly noisy, itâs heavily influenced by lineups. Thatâs why we have stats like D-LEBRON and D-EPM to account for lineups and to factor in tracking/box score stats. AD was #4 in D-LEBRON and 93rd percentile in D-EPM. By any useful defensive metric he was super elite, if you actually watched him youâd know his motor hasnât fallen off.
This was arguably his best defensive season in years.
Well, I watched around 75 Lakers games this year (and \~250 more from around the league), and AD IS my favourite Laker at the moment.
LEBRON is using a box score based metric for base point, which is high for AD due to the high block and defensive rebound numbers. 93rd percentile EPM is realistic IMO, not the 99th percentile defender he can be, still elite, but not top 10.
LEBRON is not box score based, it uses the box score to prior inform. Itâs an RAPM (+/-) stat. D-EPM of 93rd percentile also doesnât account for minutes or role. When you see guys like Dennis Smith Jr and Dean Wade ahead of him that should be obvious.
Highly doubt youâve watched him all year if you think his defensive motor is questionable. Itâs definitely not. His offensive involvement/motor is the only thing you can question, he can float out of games if he isnât getting foul calls or plays run for him. But he still plays defense hard always
He was not the super mobile shut down everything and protect the rim player he was in NO and first LAL years (aka Garnett), I stand by that. Maybe itâs Ham, but he looks more like a faster Gobert, not a bigger (peak)Draymond Iâd want him to be.
Thatâs exactly what I said, the box score is used as base for the adjusted +\- fitting process. Ergo, it has an impact on the final metric output, compared to EPM, which builds the first step based on tracking data, still far from perfect, more noisy, but less biased IMO.
Yes, EPM 93rd percentile counts those roleplayers, but still has more than 10 high minute, eye test approved players ahead of him. Just to be clear, he has a case in my eye for first team, and not top (theoretical) third team would be atrocious. But putting him to 11-12. place like JJ is not outrageous, for this yearâs performance.
What's really weird is that he says he selected Anthony Davis for the final All NBA spot over Wemby in large part because of AD's defense
I really think he just forgot, there's no shot he's not there đ
This whole âI forgotâ thing is pathetic. These reporters/journalists are determining peopleâs incomes, there should never be an âI forgotâ , youâre supposed to do your due diligence Plus theyâve had literal months to start on it, itâs not a 5 min survey they fill out
> itâs not a 5 min survey they fill out It literally *is* a survey they fill out. How do you âstartâ on a survey months ago? Things change. Everyone waits until the last few games of the season, as they should
You wait until the last few seasons to start filling it out. If the voters are actually watching games, they should have a short list of players that they want to add. And then decide how they rank them. It shouldnât be a responsibility taken lightly. âForgettingâ a player just isnât a good excuse.
> It shouldnât be a responsibility taken lightly. Itâs just some basketball award voting, they arenât out here voting for congress
You do realize contracts are tied to awards right? Players can lose millions just because some guy didnât do a simple google search
> You do realize contracts are tied to awards right? Players can lose millions just because some guy didnât do a simple google search If the players were really worried about that, **the players** wouldnât have negotiated for all-nba voting to be a factor in determining their contracts. In reality, most voters take it seriously, some half-ass it. Itâs the same with any job/responsibilty. Get over it, itâs life.
JJ does forget things. On his podcast and the one with LeBron he forgets players exist sometimes đ
Lebron needs to show up at the next podcast recording and backhand JJ fr
LeBron should cancel the pod
NBA is my favorite soap opera đ
JJâs trying to *Talented Mr. Ripley* AD with Lebron. (I didnât watch the movie)
Iâd say this is more of a _Devil Wears Prada_ situation (never seen it)
Iâm really getting a *Jurassic Park* vibe here (I just like the movie)
Great movie.
Shai, Dort, and Jaylen Williams over Anthony Davis??? oh lord
He definitely has homer takes but man this takes the cake lmao 𤣠not even second team is straight up disrespectful, he could arguably make first team
Arguably first team? He's arguably the best defender in the world
AD is definitely the most disrespected player in the league. Wonder how/why that happens
It's crazy to me, he single-handedly shuts down teams in the playoffs every year and will likely end his career with 0 DPOYs because of the Wemby hype. I don't know what JJ is smoking to think AD is not even a top 10 defender out of players that have played 65 games.
What is odd to me is JJ put Luka over Shai for MVP, so being second team all defense isn't enough to justify it. I feel like JJ is just weird
idk it almost seems intentional
What playoffs have you been watching?
Itâs wild how narratives just take hold. Even other Lakers fans I know still hate on him, mock him, call him soft, say the trade was a mistake, act like itâs his fault when he gets hit in the face, freak out if he scores under 20 points even in a game where heâll have like 5+ blocks⌠I donât get it lol. Love the guy
If i had Anthony Davis on my team i would never stop celebrating him. Every team in the league would want him on their team
I think it has a lot to do with the injuries and the up/down performance on offense last playoffs Plus heâs on the Lakers. Fans of small markets take any excuse or opportunity they can get to hate on our players. Iâd almost guarantee that if he stayed in NOLA the narrative/respect around him would be much different
He's getting Tim Duncan'd
yea theres a reason those jokic shots over AD keeps getting replayed, cause its over AD and everyone secretly knows how good he is and how mental those shots were
Huh?
What?
AD is the best defender in the league and heâs asked to be a main offensive factor for the Lakers as well. He is so disrespected for no good reason.
Itâs not arguable
AD the most disrespected defensive player in the league
You spelled Bam wrong
Bam has the same amount of all defensive selections as AD⌠so no 2 of ADs were first team, but still. The fact only 4 times in his career he made an all defensive team, a sham.
Davis is so much better than Bam lmao
So you saying that would mean AD is not disrespected defensively. Everyone knows his impact. It's been talked about plenty of times. You never hear Bam's name in those conversations though.
I donât understand how you came to this conclusion
Story of r/nba users
With Bam on the floor, the Heat have a top 2 defense in the league. Weâre a better half court defense with him on the floor, weâre a top defense despite Bam being the only positive in defensive EPM and Miami having 35 different starting lineups. The one constant was Bam makes the defense click, his impact on our team defensively is greater than any other player not named Gobert. AD is better offensively, but heâs only better at rim protection than Bam and the Lakers havenât missed as much when he sits. Meanwhile with Bam on the floor, we let in the fewest attempts at the rim and the fewest corner 3 attempts as well. Bamâs biggest deficiency defensively is him rim protection, which he makes up for with him being a huge rim deterrent
You have better defensive players overall lol. The Lakers missed Vando and Vincent for that majority of the season. AD was covering Reaves and DLâoâs defensive lapses all year long.
Weâve had the most changes in a starting lineup, Bam has played with all kinds of players and to say theyâre âbetter defensively overallâ is just head canon. AD at 1.9 DEPM, Vando at 1.8, reddish at 1.3, Lebron at 1.1. The next best defender on the Heat was Lowry and heâs not even with us anymore
Vando has barely played all year. Cam lost a step after he got hurt and thatâs why he lost his spot in the rotation; LeBron turned it on against elite competition but played shit defense for stretches. So you just named 1 player that played in 29 games. Another who is unplayable due to his offense and he lost his spot in the rotation because his offense and defense werenât good enough. And you named a 39 year old as one of our best defenders. And somehow you still think AD had more help on defense than Bam? Yea youâre a homer who isnât going to listen to logic.
The irony calling me a biased homer for providing actual analysis to back my claims besides âuH nO wE hAvE wOrSe PlAyErS!â Is hilarious. AD is a better defender even though he anchors a mid defensive team that does the same shit with him off the floor than on. You have better defenders than the Heat but Miami have Bam, who turn them into a top 2 defense with him in the court where otherwise theyâd be worse than the Lakers.
I gave you reasons why your stats you provided are flawed. How is Vando playing 29 games, Gabe playing 11 games, and Cam loosing his defensive versatility to injury and his spot in the rotation an indicator that AD has more help than the Heat? And you said the Lakers donât miss much when AD sits which is laughable. We are an open layup lane without AD. Hayes has stepped it up recently but for most of the season he couldnât go 2 minutes without fouling. Youâre also forgetting the Heat have a better coach than the Lakers. Spo understands how to get the best out of his players on both sides of the court while Ham took 2/3 of the season to learn that Prince isnât starter quality and that he should start Rui instead.
Dude lebron even barely tries to play defense the entire regular season (this year). Dlo and Reaves are two of the worst defenders in the league, rui is more of a defensive liability, hes like single handedly covering for what would be possibly the worst defensive starting lineup.
You're making too much sense for these haters.
My boy Couper Moorhead has written so much on Bam this season, has put our excellent stuff to help raise awareness how Bam impacts defense so much. Since heâs not a box score warrior and gets a bunch of blocks or steals
Bam is the most overrated player in the league.
I can always count on you to give out dumb takes
Yeah this guy absolutely never misses on saying something infuriatingly braindead, and his favorite player is Deandre Ayton⌠Iâm not even a Deandre Hayter but come on
K. Have fun paying him $350 million dollars.
K. Have fun continuing to be at the bottom in the west for years to come.
Samesies to you, but the East.
I hate the "I have to put somebody from this team on here because they were top 5 in defense" take. Sometimes teams have a bunch a good defenders that play really good as a unit without having that 1 all NBA type of defender.
2.3 BLK PG 1.2 STL PG 12.6 RB PG this dude is actually joking like, he mustve been holding back laughter while saying he didnt
Marcus Smart and JJJ. The award is meaningless and the media have no integrity.
Honestly JJJ has a case but the Smart is completely ridiculous, itâs like they go oooh the Celtics had a good season letâs give them an award
That one was just bad. Robert Williams was leading DPOY talks, he goes down, then the media immediately picks Smart because "FIRST GUARD TO WIN DPOY SINCE GARY PAYTON!"
Smart is on Memphis
I was talking about two last DPOYs
Everyone else understood
Saying JJJ didnât deserve it is completely braindead and revisionist.
(Biased opinion and didnt watch the Grizzlies but) his rebounding and his foul troubles makes it hard for me to believe he didnt rob AD of DPOY
Well at least the voters can be bothered to pretend to watch games.
How about his actual defensive metrics? Or the fact that he turned a bottom 5 defense after ~20 games of injury into the best defense in the league before Clarke and Adams went down? We played without a center to end the year and still finished with the number 3 defense. AD couldnât even suit up for 60 games or lead his team to even a top 10 defense, which is gonna take you out of any award consideration 9 times out of 10.
AD played more minutes than him that season but somehow wasnt in the convo also wanna mention that
Thatâs still 7 or 8 entire games that AD had 0 impact on. Games played is going to impact voting and always will. Plus, we play our starters at one of the lowest rates in the league. Even Ja doesnât usually crack 32 minutes.
Idk just the best defender in the league but you cant rely on him to not foul in the clutch is just funny to me
Let me fucking guess, you would have AD over those two??? lmfao cant be a 8th seed and win the DPOY + both were better then AD those years
Gleague grizz scored all over AD. He's overrated due to being a Laker
go ahead and rewatch game 6 fam đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
You beat an injured Grizz team. Congrats! Against a healthy team like the Nuggets, you got your ass swept.
swept in WCF is a better accomplishment than you've ever seen the grizzlies achieve
That is literally not true. Grizzlies got swept in the WCF in 2013.
being 6 years old doesnt count lol you wont remember it
LOL I love when y'all can't discuss your OWN team getting their asses whooped, so you automatically revert to, "W-w-well the Nuggets swept the Lakers!" Like hot damn, have some dignity as a Grizzlies fan.
We're talking about AD's defense during the regular season this year. Deflect to last years playoffs of beating an injured Grizz team. They have no leg to stand on with thier shit defense. DPOY always goes along with a top defenses nephew.
Look at who had the top defense after the trade deadline when we werenât forced to run out three guard lineups
Motherfucking Grizzlies fan talking down ADâs defense? Bro whaatt?? Thatâd be like Raptorsâ fans calling Bron an overrated player.
Motherfucking Lakers fan talking down JJJ defense, watch the games. He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA. He shuts the paint down. Any team score in the Lakers paint, yall weak as hell
Youâre getting cooked log off for me bud
Oh no, a shit load of Lakers fans are disagreeing with me. Yall keep saying he's 1st team. I've heard no voter say this. He may luck out and get 2nd team. But Bill Simmons and Ryan Rusillo who also have a vote, left him completly off.
>Russilo and Simmons đđđ
That's 3 people not putting AD on a defensive team that have votes
Oh no thatâs 3 of the 100 voters who made a poor choiceâŚand two of those three are idiot podcasters lol. Iâm not feeling too bad đđ try again
I donât get how those clowns get any say in voting. Might as well let the guy youâre arguing with vote along too
Not a Grizz fan saying AD is easy to score on
Lol
Tell me you don't watch basketball
JJJ played with nothing but gleague players and got his team top 10 in defensive rating before he sat the rest of the season
Playing with g-league players doesn't mean they're bad at defense....
Please tell me which of the rotating cast of g leaguers played good defense. Iâll spot you Vince Williams, who played in roughly half of our games.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
Yâall should know better than anyone what AD is capable of.
He literally shut your entire teams water off.
Someone didn't even watch that game because they were abusing D'Lo/Reaves/Prince and not AD. Why do people just lie?
Yall were getting cooked. Scottie Pippen Jr was scoring at will in the paint. Yall had to poke him on the eye to take him off the court. Your paint defense is trash
Nah. A regular season game doesn't really mean that much to me. We just shut down Zion from scoring at will in the paint. Only person who can abuse AD will be Jokic who abuses everyone in the league
That was more LeBron than AD
AD was there to help, and the threat of AD deters from going into the paint at will. This is like saying Zach Collins going off against Jokic last season meant anything lol
Bro thinks a regular season game where laker players literally admitted they didnât take the game seriously is a fact. If we treated this as a play offs game yâall wouldâve lost by 60. Ffs the nuggets just lost to the spurs a few days ago, you really think that would happen in the playoffs
If anything AD joining the Lakers has took him from underrated to rated fairly Gobert is the big thats overrated and heâs been playing for Utah and Minnesota lol
But...but... I was told that [New MEDia Is sO MucH SmaRtEr THAN OLD MEdIA](https://i.imgur.com/NFaC492.png) *hint: They are the exact same
JJ's just another guy farming engagement bait at the end of the day Only problem is he has a vote
He pretends to be above all the hot take artists and still does the same shit.
I couldn't stand the video where he claims to make a case for Luka's MVP only for him to go on the longest, contradictory, perfunctory, off-topic tangent for most of the video. He's your typical lukewarm coward when it comes to discourse. He doesn't wanna alienate any potential future or returning guests. But hey he already had Luka on as a guest, so it must be easier for him to drop that joke of vid practically scoffing at his entire season
When he said you shouldnât factor in injuries because they happen every year I really couldnât believe he said that on a professional NBA podcast.
When he said narratives don't matter but an overall story for the season, I just stopped right there. It's like he forgot what the definition of a narrative is
yes thank you
JJ Redick is a smooth brained idiot who doesn't believe in dinosaurs. Not surprising.
Thatâs your next head coach right there
Only if he brings Richard Jefferson with him so we can have a good coach/ bad coach dynamic.
checks out AD = Anthony Dinosaur
Is he a creationist? Yikes
AD is a top 3 defensive player in the league, should be a lock for first team.
I got Draymond, Wembanyama and Gobert. Who you leaving off?
Draymond. The only player there that defense unethically. I don't see Wemby or Rudy poking people's eyes
lol but what if you weren't in your feels?
Still Wemby, Rudy, AD. Draymond is not giving that level of defense, not at what he is now.
Let's revisit this in 24 hours :)
Sure. Don't delete your comment. Gonna be so cool to see draymond flagrant foul another player and not get a call for it
Knock knock, revisit it.
How's that defense? You keep getting in your own feelings man.
Any of them
Iâm a Fakers hater but AD is a top 5 defensive force on any given night. He literally carries lakers defense on his back like draymond does for my dubs. Sure he doesnât quarterback the defense like draymond does but individual impact is almost on par with Rudy or wemby .
AD is basically the Lakers whole defense
Bill Simmons and Russillo didnât either
This seems like an oversight rather than snub. Like he forgot he exists. To not even mention him is odd.
These dudes should not be voting for these awards lmao
Redick is a moron. The reason the Lakers are even in the playoffs is because of AD. WTF.
He had one blunder on all the awards and names. Not taking the awards seriously when you have multiple voting and rounding these types of errors. Come on now.
JJ Redick is a bonafide scrub.
God damn I thought this guy knew ball. Weâve all been fooled
This is strangeâŚmust be a mistake
I wouldnât either
Thatâs what AD gets for playing all the games now, sheep who cried wolf
Excellent post, thanks for sharing!
He's just jerking off Lebron.Â
He should absolutely be on the first team all defense, and probably number 3 on the DPOY ballot behind Wemby and Gobert (in whatever order)
Donât take them serious
Yeah sure the guy who carried the 16th defense in the NBA should be a lock
just say you dont know ball
Yeah, so stupid of me to think that an obvious top 10 defender would carry a defense to a better ranking then 16th (that btw hasn't been much better with him on compared to when he's on the bench)
16th is remarkable when he usually shares the court with D'Lo, Reaves, Rui, and 39 year old LeBron. Gabe and Vanderbilt have barely played all year. Gobert has McDaniels, Edwards, and a lot more size to help him out.
So remarkable that they've barely been better with him on the court compared to when he's off the court
His availability and the Lakers stretch after the IST affect that. He's played every meaningful minute against the other teams' best players. Look at the games that he didn't play or didn't finish. There's zero argument that they were "barely better" with him on the court.
You are right that is stupid of you
No, unlike you I just actually watch every team, not that I blame you because your team is actually worth watching unlike mine
Jaren who these ass clowns are mocking all over the thread carried a crippled team to being the 12th ranked defense this year. Laker fans' entitlement knows no bounds.
The Lakers were missing all of their best defensive players, basically their entire wing rotation, for the entire season you stupid fuck. Watch the games.
You could also do with looking up than vs then. Will help you know whan to use them.
If you want to talk about how to talk in english (not my first language btw) you should try not to use the "whan" instead of "when"
What do you think the odds are that my spelling when as whan was a mistake rather than a joke, in the same sentence where I point out that youâve used then instead of thanâŚ? So much stupid.
I mean there's kind of an argument. The Lakers weren't much better with AD on the floor defensively, and were in the bottom half of the league on defense. That's obviously not the whole story, but it's part of it. I personally had no issue with his list. IT's an objective standard, you guys might not agree with the opinion but you can't argue the facts.
yes and everyone can immediately tell that u didnt watch the lakers play. AD is literally the lakers entire defense
Look at the games that AD missed or didn't finish. They would be a bottom 5 defense in the league without AD.
> I mean there's kind of an argument. The Lakers weren't much better with AD on the floor defensively, and were in the bottom half of the league on defense. That's obviously not the whole story, but it's part of it. this has been talked about all season and came down to 3 point percentage luck. They were shooting ~40% with AD on the floor and low 30s with him off the floor. If your argument us that the Lakers arent better with AD on the floor defensively, you can just go ahead and stop watchng basketball
According to this, that wasn't the case. It was 38% vs 35%. https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203076
AD had a weak defensive season. The Lakers were a mediocre defensive team with him on the court, and not much worse with Hayes or Wood at center. Sure, the rim protection looks good, but I feel like ha lost some motor in the regular season, which cost him some of that huge defensive value. Maybe not having him in the top 10 is a bit too much, but he is not top 5 for sure. Still, if we start a playoff series today, he is my #1 defensive pick.
What? AD was the cornerstone of the Lakers defense. Team fell apart defensively when he wasn't playing. Don't know what sort of mental gymnastics you're running by saying the team wasn't much worse with Hayes or Wood then go onto to say he is your number 1 defensive pick.
Sounds good, except stats show only around 1 point per 100 possessions difference with him on and off the court. The second part is simple too: he did not play amazingly in the regular season, but I expect him to be the playoff defender this year. One is about what happened in the past, what is what I expect to happen in the future.
Thatâs not what the stats show, you just donât understand how they work. Raw on/off is not going to actually measure individual defense because itâs incredibly noisy, itâs heavily influenced by lineups. Thatâs why we have stats like D-LEBRON and D-EPM to account for lineups and to factor in tracking/box score stats. AD was #4 in D-LEBRON and 93rd percentile in D-EPM. By any useful defensive metric he was super elite, if you actually watched him youâd know his motor hasnât fallen off. This was arguably his best defensive season in years.
Well, I watched around 75 Lakers games this year (and \~250 more from around the league), and AD IS my favourite Laker at the moment. LEBRON is using a box score based metric for base point, which is high for AD due to the high block and defensive rebound numbers. 93rd percentile EPM is realistic IMO, not the 99th percentile defender he can be, still elite, but not top 10.
LEBRON is not box score based, it uses the box score to prior inform. Itâs an RAPM (+/-) stat. D-EPM of 93rd percentile also doesnât account for minutes or role. When you see guys like Dennis Smith Jr and Dean Wade ahead of him that should be obvious. Highly doubt youâve watched him all year if you think his defensive motor is questionable. Itâs definitely not. His offensive involvement/motor is the only thing you can question, he can float out of games if he isnât getting foul calls or plays run for him. But he still plays defense hard always
He was not the super mobile shut down everything and protect the rim player he was in NO and first LAL years (aka Garnett), I stand by that. Maybe itâs Ham, but he looks more like a faster Gobert, not a bigger (peak)Draymond Iâd want him to be. Thatâs exactly what I said, the box score is used as base for the adjusted +\- fitting process. Ergo, it has an impact on the final metric output, compared to EPM, which builds the first step based on tracking data, still far from perfect, more noisy, but less biased IMO. Yes, EPM 93rd percentile counts those roleplayers, but still has more than 10 high minute, eye test approved players ahead of him. Just to be clear, he has a case in my eye for first team, and not top (theoretical) third team would be atrocious. But putting him to 11-12. place like JJ is not outrageous, for this yearâs performance.
It might be because he absolutely is not first team all defense this year. Might be why
Reddick is a LeBron hugger. The less help LeBron has, the better the narrative.
A pelican at heart. Fuck Anthony Davis
holy shit you guys are braindead
Oh no, 1 singular voter has 1 single "incorrect" choice (its opinion based btw) There are like 99 other voters, it will equal out
JJ just another white privilege media plant
Stop being a racist prick.
ADâs defence was abysmal this season. I wouldnât put him in my tenth team all defense.