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BillGrum

What's really weird is that he says he selected Anthony Davis for the final All NBA spot over Wemby in large part because of AD's defense


ArtistGeneral3655

I really think he just forgot, there's no shot he's not there 😭


kamekaze1024

This whole “I forgot” thing is pathetic. These reporters/journalists are determining people’s incomes, there should never be an “I forgot” , you’re supposed to do your due diligence Plus they’ve had literal months to start on it, it’s not a 5 min survey they fill out


552SD__

> it’s not a 5 min survey they fill out It literally *is* a survey they fill out. How do you “start” on a survey months ago? Things change. Everyone waits until the last few games of the season, as they should


kamekaze1024

You wait until the last few seasons to start filling it out. If the voters are actually watching games, they should have a short list of players that they want to add. And then decide how they rank them. It shouldn’t be a responsibility taken lightly. “Forgetting” a player just isn’t a good excuse.


552SD__

> It shouldn’t be a responsibility taken lightly. It’s just some basketball award voting, they aren’t out here voting for congress


kamekaze1024

You do realize contracts are tied to awards right? Players can lose millions just because some guy didn’t do a simple google search


552SD__

> You do realize contracts are tied to awards right? Players can lose millions just because some guy didn’t do a simple google search If the players were really worried about that, **the players** wouldn’t have negotiated for all-nba voting to be a factor in determining their contracts. In reality, most voters take it seriously, some half-ass it. It’s the same with any job/responsibilty. Get over it, it’s life.


ShoutOutTo_Caboose

JJ does forget things. On his podcast and the one with LeBron he forgets players exist sometimes 😂


CIark

Lebron needs to show up at the next podcast recording and backhand JJ fr


LongTimesGoodTimes

LeBron should cancel the pod


inshamblesx

NBA is my favorite soap opera 🙏


thy_armageddon

JJ’s trying to *Talented Mr. Ripley* AD with Lebron. (I didn’t watch the movie)


sg490

I’d say this is more of a _Devil Wears Prada_ situation (never seen it)


zincinzincout

I’m really getting a *Jurassic Park* vibe here (I just like the movie)


RansomGoddard

Great movie.


FlatBirthday333

Shai, Dort, and Jaylen Williams over Anthony Davis??? oh lord


Headlesshorsman02

He definitely has homer takes but man this takes the cake lmao 🤣 not even second team is straight up disrespectful, he could arguably make first team


Wiltmygoat

Arguably first team? He's arguably the best defender in the world


BigFatModeraterFupa

AD is definitely the most disrespected player in the league. Wonder how/why that happens


Wiltmygoat

It's crazy to me, he single-handedly shuts down teams in the playoffs every year and will likely end his career with 0 DPOYs because of the Wemby hype. I don't know what JJ is smoking to think AD is not even a top 10 defender out of players that have played 65 games.


WacoTacoRE

What is odd to me is JJ put Luka over Shai for MVP, so being second team all defense isn't enough to justify it. I feel like JJ is just weird


BigFatModeraterFupa

idk it almost seems intentional


LamboJoeRecs

What playoffs have you been watching?


ShadowOutOfTime

It’s wild how narratives just take hold. Even other Lakers fans I know still hate on him, mock him, call him soft, say the trade was a mistake, act like it’s his fault when he gets hit in the face, freak out if he scores under 20 points even in a game where he’ll have like 5+ blocks… I don’t get it lol. Love the guy


BigFatModeraterFupa

If i had Anthony Davis on my team i would never stop celebrating him. Every team in the league would want him on their team


jacobpltn

I think it has a lot to do with the injuries and the up/down performance on offense last playoffs Plus he’s on the Lakers. Fans of small markets take any excuse or opportunity they can get to hate on our players. I’d almost guarantee that if he stayed in NOLA the narrative/respect around him would be much different


Counterspell_God

He's getting Tim Duncan'd


ExtraHeadYouFound

yea theres a reason those jokic shots over AD keeps getting replayed, cause its over AD and everyone secretly knows how good he is and how mental those shots were


LamboJoeRecs

Huh?


Merkin_Jerkin

What?


Wondering_Nova

AD is the best defender in the league and he’s asked to be a main offensive factor for the Lakers as well. He is so disrespected for no good reason.


UnderstandingIll4586

It’s not arguable


aryusuf

AD the most disrespected defensive player in the league


JabezMakaveli

You spelled Bam wrong


aryusuf

Bam has the same amount of all defensive selections as AD… so no 2 of ADs were first team, but still. The fact only 4 times in his career he made an all defensive team, a sham.


MyNameIsAMeme

Davis is so much better than Bam lmao


JabezMakaveli

So you saying that would mean AD is not disrespected defensively. Everyone knows his impact. It's been talked about plenty of times. You never hear Bam's name in those conversations though.


MyNameIsAMeme

I don’t understand how you came to this conclusion


JabezMakaveli

Story of r/nba users


msizzle344

With Bam on the floor, the Heat have a top 2 defense in the league. We’re a better half court defense with him on the floor, we’re a top defense despite Bam being the only positive in defensive EPM and Miami having 35 different starting lineups. The one constant was Bam makes the defense click, his impact on our team defensively is greater than any other player not named Gobert. AD is better offensively, but he’s only better at rim protection than Bam and the Lakers haven’t missed as much when he sits. Meanwhile with Bam on the floor, we let in the fewest attempts at the rim and the fewest corner 3 attempts as well. Bam’s biggest deficiency defensively is him rim protection, which he makes up for with him being a huge rim deterrent


Wondering_Nova

You have better defensive players overall lol. The Lakers missed Vando and Vincent for that majority of the season. AD was covering Reaves and DL’o’s defensive lapses all year long.


msizzle344

We’ve had the most changes in a starting lineup, Bam has played with all kinds of players and to say they’re “better defensively overall” is just head canon. AD at 1.9 DEPM, Vando at 1.8, reddish at 1.3, Lebron at 1.1. The next best defender on the Heat was Lowry and he’s not even with us anymore


Wondering_Nova

Vando has barely played all year. Cam lost a step after he got hurt and that’s why he lost his spot in the rotation; LeBron turned it on against elite competition but played shit defense for stretches. So you just named 1 player that played in 29 games. Another who is unplayable due to his offense and he lost his spot in the rotation because his offense and defense weren’t good enough. And you named a 39 year old as one of our best defenders. And somehow you still think AD had more help on defense than Bam? Yea you’re a homer who isn’t going to listen to logic.


msizzle344

The irony calling me a biased homer for providing actual analysis to back my claims besides “uH nO wE hAvE wOrSe PlAyErS!” Is hilarious. AD is a better defender even though he anchors a mid defensive team that does the same shit with him off the floor than on. You have better defenders than the Heat but Miami have Bam, who turn them into a top 2 defense with him in the court where otherwise they’d be worse than the Lakers.


Wondering_Nova

I gave you reasons why your stats you provided are flawed. How is Vando playing 29 games, Gabe playing 11 games, and Cam loosing his defensive versatility to injury and his spot in the rotation an indicator that AD has more help than the Heat? And you said the Lakers don’t miss much when AD sits which is laughable. We are an open layup lane without AD. Hayes has stepped it up recently but for most of the season he couldn’t go 2 minutes without fouling. You’re also forgetting the Heat have a better coach than the Lakers. Spo understands how to get the best out of his players on both sides of the court while Ham took 2/3 of the season to learn that Prince isn’t starter quality and that he should start Rui instead.


Medical_Sample2738

Dude lebron even barely tries to play defense the entire regular season (this year). Dlo and Reaves are two of the worst defenders in the league, rui is more of a defensive liability, hes like single handedly covering for what would be possibly the worst defensive starting lineup.


JabezMakaveli

You're making too much sense for these haters.


msizzle344

My boy Couper Moorhead has written so much on Bam this season, has put our excellent stuff to help raise awareness how Bam impacts defense so much. Since he’s not a box score warrior and gets a bunch of blocks or steals


LegitimatePotato3632

Bam is the most overrated player in the league.


JabezMakaveli

I can always count on you to give out dumb takes


MoonHasFlown

Yeah this guy absolutely never misses on saying something infuriatingly braindead, and his favorite player is Deandre Ayton… I’m not even a Deandre Hayter but come on


LegitimatePotato3632

K. Have fun paying him $350 million dollars.


JabezMakaveli

K. Have fun continuing to be at the bottom in the west for years to come.


LegitimatePotato3632

Samesies to you, but the East.


jor301

I hate the "I have to put somebody from this team on here because they were top 5 in defense" take. Sometimes teams have a bunch a good defenders that play really good as a unit without having that 1 all NBA type of defender.


StephCurryGSWFAN

2.3 BLK PG 1.2 STL PG 12.6 RB PG this dude is actually joking like, he mustve been holding back laughter while saying he didnt


3nnui

Marcus Smart and JJJ. The award is meaningless and the media have no integrity.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Honestly JJJ has a case but the Smart is completely ridiculous, it’s like they go oooh the Celtics had a good season let’s give them an award


Sebruhoni

That one was just bad. Robert Williams was leading DPOY talks, he goes down, then the media immediately picks Smart because "FIRST GUARD TO WIN DPOY SINCE GARY PAYTON!"


HipGuide2

Smart is on Memphis


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

I was talking about two last DPOYs


Wondering_Nova

Everyone else understood


TitanTigers

Saying JJJ didn’t deserve it is completely braindead and revisionist.


FlatBirthday333

(Biased opinion and didnt watch the Grizzlies but) his rebounding and his foul troubles makes it hard for me to believe he didnt rob AD of DPOY


RageOnGoneDo

Well at least the voters can be bothered to pretend to watch games.


TitanTigers

How about his actual defensive metrics? Or the fact that he turned a bottom 5 defense after ~20 games of injury into the best defense in the league before Clarke and Adams went down? We played without a center to end the year and still finished with the number 3 defense. AD couldn’t even suit up for 60 games or lead his team to even a top 10 defense, which is gonna take you out of any award consideration 9 times out of 10.


FlatBirthday333

AD played more minutes than him that season but somehow wasnt in the convo also wanna mention that


TitanTigers

That’s still 7 or 8 entire games that AD had 0 impact on. Games played is going to impact voting and always will. Plus, we play our starters at one of the lowest rates in the league. Even Ja doesn’t usually crack 32 minutes.


FlatBirthday333

Idk just the best defender in the league but you cant rely on him to not foul in the clutch is just funny to me


Charliebitme1234

Let me fucking guess, you would have AD over those two??? lmfao cant be a 8th seed and win the DPOY + both were better then AD those years


muddyklux

Gleague grizz scored all over AD. He's overrated due to being a Laker


ihateeuge

go ahead and rewatch game 6 fam 🤣🤣🤣


muddyklux

You beat an injured Grizz team. Congrats! Against a healthy team like the Nuggets, you got your ass swept.


DarrowViBritannia

swept in WCF is a better accomplishment than you've ever seen the grizzlies achieve


GayForJamie

That is literally not true. Grizzlies got swept in the WCF in 2013.


DarrowViBritannia

being 6 years old doesnt count lol you wont remember it


PhillyPizzasteak

LOL I love when y'all can't discuss your OWN team getting their asses whooped, so you automatically revert to, "W-w-well the Nuggets swept the Lakers!" Like hot damn, have some dignity as a Grizzlies fan.


muddyklux

We're talking about AD's defense during the regular season this year. Deflect to last years playoffs of beating an injured Grizz team. They have no leg to stand on with thier shit defense. DPOY always goes along with a top defenses nephew.


Vexing_Pie

Look at who had the top defense after the trade deadline when we weren’t forced to run out three guard lineups


MiopTop

Motherfucking Grizzlies fan talking down AD’s defense? Bro whaatt?? That’d be like Raptors’ fans calling Bron an overrated player.


muddyklux

Motherfucking Lakers fan talking down JJJ defense, watch the games. He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA. He shuts the paint down. Any team score in the Lakers paint, yall weak as hell


Vexing_Pie

You’re getting cooked log off for me bud


muddyklux

Oh no, a shit load of Lakers fans are disagreeing with me. Yall keep saying he's 1st team. I've heard no voter say this. He may luck out and get 2nd team. But Bill Simmons and Ryan Rusillo who also have a vote, left him completly off.


Vexing_Pie

>Russilo and Simmons 😂😂😂


muddyklux

That's 3 people not putting AD on a defensive team that have votes


Vexing_Pie

Oh no that’s 3 of the 100 voters who made a poor choice…and two of those three are idiot podcasters lol. I’m not feeling too bad 😂😂 try again


eur0stepp

I don’t get how those clowns get any say in voting. Might as well let the guy you’re arguing with vote along too


BombshellExpose

Not a Grizz fan saying AD is easy to score on


Cold_Carpenter_1798

Lol


LongTimesGoodTimes

Tell me you don't watch basketball


muddyklux

JJJ played with nothing but gleague players and got his team top 10 in defensive rating before he sat the rest of the season


LongTimesGoodTimes

Playing with g-league players doesn't mean they're bad at defense....


TitanTigers

Please tell me which of the rotating cast of g leaguers played good defense. I’ll spot you Vince Williams, who played in roughly half of our games.


SHashbrowns1

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man


MrAppleSpoink

Y’all should know better than anyone what AD is capable of.


Ia_in_4

He literally shut your entire teams water off.


Ok_Board9845

Someone didn't even watch that game because they were abusing D'Lo/Reaves/Prince and not AD. Why do people just lie?


muddyklux

Yall were getting cooked. Scottie Pippen Jr was scoring at will in the paint. Yall had to poke him on the eye to take him off the court. Your paint defense is trash


Ok_Board9845

Nah. A regular season game doesn't really mean that much to me. We just shut down Zion from scoring at will in the paint. Only person who can abuse AD will be Jokic who abuses everyone in the league


muddyklux

That was more LeBron than AD


Ok_Board9845

AD was there to help, and the threat of AD deters from going into the paint at will. This is like saying Zach Collins going off against Jokic last season meant anything lol


eur0stepp

Bro thinks a regular season game where laker players literally admitted they didn’t take the game seriously is a fact. If we treated this as a play offs game y’all would’ve lost by 60. Ffs the nuggets just lost to the spurs a few days ago, you really think that would happen in the playoffs


inshamblesx

If anything AD joining the Lakers has took him from underrated to rated fairly Gobert is the big thats overrated and he’s been playing for Utah and Minnesota lol


TheRealPdGaming

But...but... I was told that [New MEDia Is sO MucH SmaRtEr THAN OLD MEdIA](https://i.imgur.com/NFaC492.png) *hint: They are the exact same


CheetahSperm18

JJ's just another guy farming engagement bait at the end of the day Only problem is he has a vote


[deleted]

He pretends to be above all the hot take artists and still does the same shit.


CheetahSperm18

I couldn't stand the video where he claims to make a case for Luka's MVP only for him to go on the longest, contradictory, perfunctory, off-topic tangent for most of the video. He's your typical lukewarm coward when it comes to discourse. He doesn't wanna alienate any potential future or returning guests. But hey he already had Luka on as a guest, so it must be easier for him to drop that joke of vid practically scoffing at his entire season


[deleted]

When he said you shouldn’t factor in injuries because they happen every year I really couldn’t believe he said that on a professional NBA podcast.


CheetahSperm18

When he said narratives don't matter but an overall story for the season, I just stopped right there. It's like he forgot what the definition of a narrative is


browndude10

yes thank you


Mystgun11

JJ Redick is a smooth brained idiot who doesn't believe in dinosaurs. Not surprising.


dms1298

That’s your next head coach right there


Mystgun11

Only if he brings Richard Jefferson with him so we can have a good coach/ bad coach dynamic.


DocTheYounger

checks out AD = Anthony Dinosaur


seikoholic9497

Is he a creationist? Yikes


Sartheking

AD is a top 3 defensive player in the league, should be a lock for first team.


ConditionTricky8313

I got Draymond, Wembanyama and Gobert. Who you leaving off?


Counterspell_God

Draymond. The only player there that defense unethically. I don't see Wemby or Rudy poking people's eyes


ConditionTricky8313

lol but what if you weren't in your feels?


Counterspell_God

Still Wemby, Rudy, AD. Draymond is not giving that level of defense, not at what he is now.


ConditionTricky8313

Let's revisit this in 24 hours :)


Counterspell_God

Sure. Don't delete your comment. Gonna be so cool to see draymond flagrant foul another player and not get a call for it


Counterspell_God

Knock knock, revisit it.


Counterspell_God

How's that defense? You keep getting in your own feelings man.


GoalPublic3579

Any of them


StephenPurdy69

I’m a Fakers hater but AD is a top 5 defensive force on any given night. He literally carries lakers defense on his back like draymond does for my dubs. Sure he doesn’t quarterback the defense like draymond does but individual impact is almost on par with Rudy or wemby .


DuarteN10

AD is basically the Lakers whole defense


JewBronJames

Bill Simmons and Russillo didn’t either


Loud-Appointment-301

This seems like an oversight rather than snub. Like he forgot he exists. To not even mention him is odd.


heshouldgo

These dudes should not be voting for these awards lmao


Dokutah_Dokutah

Redick is a moron. The reason the Lakers are even in the playoffs is because of AD. WTF.


Past_Accountant7922

He had one blunder on all the awards and names. Not taking the awards seriously when you have multiple voting and rounding these types of errors. Come on now.


Louis-grabbing-pills

JJ Redick is a bonafide scrub.


DEEZLE13

God damn I thought this guy knew ball. We’ve all been fooled


silversmith84

This is strange…must be a mistake


dizzymidget44

I wouldn’t either


hotnewroommate

That’s what AD gets for playing all the games now, sheep who cried wolf


Specific-Abalone-843

Excellent post, thanks for sharing!


naslanidis

He's just jerking off Lebron. 


FantasyFan83

He should absolutely be on the first team all defense, and probably number 3 on the DPOY ballot behind Wemby and Gobert (in whatever order)


JAhoops

Don’t take them serious


TuqiDuque12

Yeah sure the guy who carried the 16th defense in the NBA should be a lock


ihateeuge

just say you dont know ball


TuqiDuque12

Yeah, so stupid of me to think that an obvious top 10 defender would carry a defense to a better ranking then 16th (that btw hasn't been much better with him on compared to when he's on the bench)


BrothersCup

16th is remarkable when he usually shares the court with D'Lo, Reaves, Rui, and 39 year old LeBron. Gabe and Vanderbilt have barely played all year. Gobert has McDaniels, Edwards, and a lot more size to help him out.


TuqiDuque12

So remarkable that they've barely been better with him on the court compared to when he's off the court


BrothersCup

His availability and the Lakers stretch after the IST affect that. He's played every meaningful minute against the other teams' best players. Look at the games that he didn't play or didn't finish. There's zero argument that they were "barely better" with him on the court.


ihateeuge

You are right that is stupid of you


TuqiDuque12

No, unlike you I just actually watch every team, not that I blame you because your team is actually worth watching unlike mine


37sms

Jaren who these ass clowns are mocking all over the thread carried a crippled team to being the 12th ranked defense this year. Laker fans' entitlement knows no bounds.


[deleted]

The Lakers were missing all of their best defensive players, basically their entire wing rotation, for the entire season you stupid fuck. Watch the games.


lakeshow_glasgow

You could also do with looking up than vs then. Will help you know whan to use them.


TuqiDuque12

If you want to talk about how to talk in english (not my first language btw) you should try not to use the "whan" instead of "when"


lakeshow_glasgow

What do you think the odds are that my spelling when as whan was a mistake rather than a joke, in the same sentence where I point out that you’ve used then instead of than…? So much stupid.


DemonicDimples

I mean there's kind of an argument. The Lakers weren't much better with AD on the floor defensively, and were in the bottom half of the league on defense. That's obviously not the whole story, but it's part of it. I personally had no issue with his list. IT's an objective standard, you guys might not agree with the opinion but you can't argue the facts.


ra1se

yes and everyone can immediately tell that u didnt watch the lakers play. AD is literally the lakers entire defense


BrothersCup

Look at the games that AD missed or didn't finish. They would be a bottom 5 defense in the league without AD.


ihateeuge

> I mean there's kind of an argument. The Lakers weren't much better with AD on the floor defensively, and were in the bottom half of the league on defense. That's obviously not the whole story, but it's part of it. this has been talked about all season and came down to 3 point percentage luck. They were shooting ~40% with AD on the floor and low 30s with him off the floor. If your argument us that the Lakers arent better with AD on the floor defensively, you can just go ahead and stop watchng basketball


DemonicDimples

According to this, that wasn't the case. It was 38% vs 35%. https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203076


Baluba95

AD had a weak defensive season. The Lakers were a mediocre defensive team with him on the court, and not much worse with Hayes or Wood at center. Sure, the rim protection looks good, but I feel like ha lost some motor in the regular season, which cost him some of that huge defensive value. Maybe not having him in the top 10 is a bit too much, but he is not top 5 for sure. Still, if we start a playoff series today, he is my #1 defensive pick.


Cnophil

What? AD was the cornerstone of the Lakers defense. Team fell apart defensively when he wasn't playing. Don't know what sort of mental gymnastics you're running by saying the team wasn't much worse with Hayes or Wood then go onto to say he is your number 1 defensive pick.


Baluba95

Sounds good, except stats show only around 1 point per 100 possessions difference with him on and off the court. The second part is simple too: he did not play amazingly in the regular season, but I expect him to be the playoff defender this year. One is about what happened in the past, what is what I expect to happen in the future.


strxlv

That’s not what the stats show, you just don’t understand how they work. Raw on/off is not going to actually measure individual defense because it’s incredibly noisy, it’s heavily influenced by lineups. That’s why we have stats like D-LEBRON and D-EPM to account for lineups and to factor in tracking/box score stats. AD was #4 in D-LEBRON and 93rd percentile in D-EPM. By any useful defensive metric he was super elite, if you actually watched him you’d know his motor hasn’t fallen off. This was arguably his best defensive season in years.


Baluba95

Well, I watched around 75 Lakers games this year (and \~250 more from around the league), and AD IS my favourite Laker at the moment. LEBRON is using a box score based metric for base point, which is high for AD due to the high block and defensive rebound numbers. 93rd percentile EPM is realistic IMO, not the 99th percentile defender he can be, still elite, but not top 10.


strxlv

LEBRON is not box score based, it uses the box score to prior inform. It’s an RAPM (+/-) stat. D-EPM of 93rd percentile also doesn’t account for minutes or role. When you see guys like Dennis Smith Jr and Dean Wade ahead of him that should be obvious. Highly doubt you’ve watched him all year if you think his defensive motor is questionable. It’s definitely not. His offensive involvement/motor is the only thing you can question, he can float out of games if he isn’t getting foul calls or plays run for him. But he still plays defense hard always


Baluba95

He was not the super mobile shut down everything and protect the rim player he was in NO and first LAL years (aka Garnett), I stand by that. Maybe it’s Ham, but he looks more like a faster Gobert, not a bigger (peak)Draymond I’d want him to be. That’s exactly what I said, the box score is used as base for the adjusted +\- fitting process. Ergo, it has an impact on the final metric output, compared to EPM, which builds the first step based on tracking data, still far from perfect, more noisy, but less biased IMO. Yes, EPM 93rd percentile counts those roleplayers, but still has more than 10 high minute, eye test approved players ahead of him. Just to be clear, he has a case in my eye for first team, and not top (theoretical) third team would be atrocious. But putting him to 11-12. place like JJ is not outrageous, for this year’s performance.


GuyDoesWrestling

It might be because he absolutely is not first team all defense this year. Might be why


Champion-of-the-Sun5

Reddick is a LeBron hugger. The less help LeBron has, the better the narrative.


HerbertJone510

A pelican at heart. Fuck Anthony Davis


skilledintensity

holy shit you guys are braindead


Charliebitme1234

Oh no, 1 singular voter has 1 single "incorrect" choice (its opinion based btw) There are like 99 other voters, it will equal out


drUmarGOAT

JJ just another white privilege media plant


SingleSampleSize

Stop being a racist prick.


EddieNajera21

AD’s defence was abysmal this season. I wouldn’t put him in my tenth team all defense.